Research Mission
August 25, 2023Brian Smith, MD & Keith Choate, MD, PhD
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- 00:00You're actually going to see me a couple
- 00:02times today in part because COVID has
- 00:04taken out a couple of the speakers. So.
- 00:06So I wish it was because I was the most
- 00:08wonderful speaker in the in the world,
- 00:10but but I think that's your work.
- 00:12As as Linda said, there's really
- 00:14two of us that are tied together at
- 00:17the hip in terms of the trying to
- 00:21organize and support the research
- 00:22mission here at the medical school,
- 00:25and that's myself and Tony Koleski.
- 00:27We basically divide things up as to
- 00:29whether we're kind of doing most of
- 00:30the work with the clinical departments,
- 00:32which is my job for most of the work
- 00:34with the basic science departments.
- 00:35And to be quite honest,
- 00:37we kind of just all work together.
- 00:39And so there are things that we just trade
- 00:41back and forth depending on who has the time.
- 00:43And Keith will talk separately in just a
- 00:45few minutes about the Office of Physician
- 00:47Scientists and Scientist Development,
- 00:48which has really created some wonderful
- 00:51resources I think for for everyone.
- 00:53So what is the Office of
- 00:56Scientific Affairs do?
- 00:57So we oversee scientific affairs
- 00:58in both the clinical and basic
- 01:00science departments as well as in
- 01:01all of the centers and programs and
- 01:03institutes and all those wonderful
- 01:05things that have these other,
- 01:06these other names.
- 01:07But essentially most things that
- 01:09in within the medical school are
- 01:12really very departmentally organized.
- 01:13And whether that's any of the three
- 01:16missions and that's really where
- 01:17you need to get known and you need
- 01:19to be able to have folks who think
- 01:21you're doing a wonderful job.
- 01:22If we get back to the issues of things
- 01:24like appointments and promotions,
- 01:25just to just to mention that we try to
- 01:29provide guidance and resources for faculty,
- 01:31staff, hiring,
- 01:31retention of faculty,
- 01:33etcetera,
- 01:33I welcome you and I know Tony would
- 01:36if he was here as well,
- 01:37you're welcome to to e-mail either
- 01:39of us if you feel you you want to
- 01:41do that and that's great and get
- 01:43a lot of lot of emails.
- 01:44I get some texts at 2:00 AM,
- 01:46but that's separate and we're all first
- 01:48name dot last name at Yale dot Edu, right.
- 01:51So I mean,
- 01:52even with the name Smith,
- 01:53I'm somehow still first name dot,
- 01:54last name, yell dot Edu.
- 01:57Although it's interesting because
- 01:58there's almost always at least
- 01:59one undergrad who's named Brian
- 02:01Smith and they have much more
- 02:02interesting lives than I do,
- 02:03and I get a lot of e-mail.
- 02:05Space is a big is a big issue for us
- 02:07at the medical school because we've
- 02:09really grown by leaps and bounds over
- 02:10the course of the last 10 years or so,
- 02:12and we tend to be a space
- 02:15constrained these days.
- 02:16There's a lot of construction going on.
- 02:17There's a lot of expansion of space going
- 02:20on whether it's in the wet bench area,
- 02:23you know kind of classic classic
- 02:25laboratory sorts of work or
- 02:27what we call dry
- 02:28bench meaning health services
- 02:30research and computational work and
- 02:32so forth that really doesn't require
- 02:35a Bunsen burner at your at your side.
- 02:38So that's something that we actually
- 02:40do a lot of work work with.
- 02:42We are and you'll hear more about
- 02:45the cores both to support web
- 02:47bench and dry bench research.
- 02:48I think a little bit later today
- 02:50I'll be giving you the talk on
- 02:51the on the YCCI aspect of things.
- 02:53And then we spend a lot of our time,
- 02:56which hopefully you therefore don't
- 02:58have to worry about as much to ensure
- 03:00compliance with all the wonderful,
- 03:01wonderful things that are out there
- 03:03in terms of in terms of federal,
- 03:07state and other other areas,
- 03:10we nucleate and maintain relationships
- 03:12with the partners across Yale University.
- 03:14So that means we actually have
- 03:16a fair amount of work that we do
- 03:18with government and advocacy on the
- 03:20government front. We try to do that.
- 03:22We try to work with our state,
- 03:24congressional and and senatorial aspects,
- 03:27as well as with the governor's office.
- 03:29There's a lot of relationships that
- 03:31go on with foundations to try to get
- 03:33you funding from things other than the NIH.
- 03:35And again,
- 03:35all these kinds of questions,
- 03:37you know, individual things come up.
- 03:38There's a lot of details and all of that,
- 03:40but please just feel free to to contact us.
- 03:43Most of most will be known through
- 03:45your department,
- 03:46but not necessarily and we're
- 03:47more than happy to to chat with
- 03:50everybody separately as needed.
- 03:52And industry is another area that I
- 03:54think Yale was probably behind a lot of
- 03:56our peers in terms of interactions with
- 03:58on the research front over the years.
- 04:00There is a new and I don't think we
- 04:02have a separate talk by Yale Ventures,
- 04:03right.
- 04:04But there's a new basically office
- 04:07of technology transfer,
- 04:09but it's bigger than that.
- 04:10It's called Yale Ventures now.
- 04:11It was kind of reimagined and
- 04:13and recreated about now I guess
- 04:15about 2 1/2 three years ago,
- 04:16something like that, if I remember right.
- 04:19And it's actually interestingly changed
- 04:21the formula for for intellectual
- 04:23property and how much of it you
- 04:25get and all those kinds of things
- 04:26compared to the university and the
- 04:28medical school and the departments.
- 04:29And it's really done a lot to to work
- 04:31in terms of that and also to really
- 04:33build out the ecosystem here in New Haven.
- 04:35I think that really is,
- 04:37if you just look around in terms of building,
- 04:40there's a lot going on and
- 04:41that's actually very,
- 04:42very terrific,
- 04:43depending on what your research really is.
- 04:46We partner with with Keith's office and
- 04:48as well as with Darren Lattimore's DEI
- 04:51office to support faculty throughout
- 04:54the career life cycle with development
- 04:56as well to raise research funding.
- 04:58And you may get contacted by that.
- 04:59And if you do have somebody who you
- 05:01think is a potential donor out there
- 05:02or you get into one of those things,
- 05:04please,
- 05:05please contact one of us
- 05:07so that we can do what we can
- 05:08to sort of help out with that,
- 05:09not to interfere with what
- 05:11your relationship may be,
- 05:12but but to provide kind of
- 05:14the infrastructure for,
- 05:14for dealing with those kinds of things.
- 05:16And finally with the Office
- 05:18of Communications, obviously,
- 05:19we do a lot to try to try to do all
- 05:21those things that I'm really bad at,
- 05:22like websites and stuff like that.
- 05:25I should say that in terms of education,
- 05:28I think Janet did a very nice job of
- 05:31covering all of the of the medical
- 05:34school specific educational ventures.
- 05:36The other area that Tony and
- 05:38I get deeply involved in.
- 05:41And any of you who are have appointments
- 05:43in the Graduate School either because
- 05:45you're in a basic science department
- 05:47which automatically gives you a
- 05:49appointment in the Graduate School
- 05:50or because you're in a clinical
- 05:51department either with a secondary in
- 05:53a basic science department or there's
- 05:54actually ways that you can be solely
- 05:56in a clinical department and also
- 05:58be appointed to the Graduate School.
- 06:01And the Graduate School program is
- 06:03actually a program that extends not
- 06:05just across the medical school but
- 06:07also extends across the faculty
- 06:08of Arts and Sciences on the on
- 06:10the north campus or main campuses.
- 06:12They like to talk about it.
- 06:13We we tend to save the North campus
- 06:16and it's it's really a very we
- 06:17get great grad students in.
- 06:19And I think when you're thinking about
- 06:21getting people to work in your laboratory,
- 06:23you're going to be thinking if you're
- 06:24in one of the clinical departments
- 06:26probably in terms of a variety
- 06:27of the clinical trainees,
- 06:28but the Med students are remarkably
- 06:31good overall.
- 06:32You know undergrads not bad and
- 06:35they are actually a terrific way
- 06:38to to help expand your,
- 06:39your laboratory and really get into
- 06:42a real relationship with them to
- 06:44try to mentor them through to their
- 06:46career aspirations which often are
- 06:48to go to either Graduate School
- 06:50or to medical school and really
- 06:52across across all of those,
- 06:54all of those areas.
- 06:56So I just mentioned that to you again
- 06:58because it'll it will come up And as
- 07:00you're beginning to establish your,
- 07:02your research programs here for those
- 07:04of you who are research intensive or
- 07:06or doing any kind of research which
- 07:08is most of our folks as you may imagine,
- 07:10we review faculty appointments
- 07:11to Graduate School,
- 07:12kind of talked about that,
- 07:12talked about Yale Ventures,
- 07:14which is the entrepreneurial
- 07:15opportunities that are around here
- 07:17And also coordinate the clinical
- 07:19research infrastructure which is
- 07:21predominantly in the Cancer Center in
- 07:23the Yale Center for Clinical Investigation.
- 07:25And I'll mention a little bit about
- 07:26that when I talk to you a little bit
- 07:28later within the departments themselves
- 07:29and across the Yellow Haven Health system.
- 07:31So a lot of,
- 07:33a lot of activity on that front.
- 07:37What are the ways that we kind of
- 07:38look at this?
- 07:38We are determinant to some extent
- 07:41on space and startup.
- 07:43We work with the departments.
- 07:44Departments all have their own
- 07:46space footprint to work within,
- 07:48but often they need to work outside
- 07:50of that or we need to try to Co
- 07:52localize people with others.
- 07:53That would be particularly valuable
- 07:55for you to be able to walk down
- 07:58the corridor and and meet with.
- 08:00We similarly again coordinate with
- 08:02Keith's office and he'll be talking
- 08:04about this in just a few minutes.
- 08:05I'm trying to get supplemental
- 08:07funding for for what you guys all are,
- 08:10which is junior faculty,
- 08:11regardless of your age or
- 08:13junior faculty at this point.
- 08:15There's a variety of limited grant
- 08:16submissions that are out there.
- 08:18You will see these.
- 08:19There's actually a website you
- 08:20can go to to look for them.
- 08:21These are often foundations,
- 08:23but sometimes they're NIH
- 08:24grants where the institution,
- 08:26Yale University,
- 08:27is only allowed to submit maybe
- 08:29one or two or whatever grants.
- 08:32Obviously we need a way to,
- 08:34to adjudicate that if there's
- 08:35more than one person or one group
- 08:38that wants to engage in that
- 08:40and and that's done through it,
- 08:41then an internal review process
- 08:42with with kind of an internal
- 08:44study section and what have you.
- 08:46So if you're involved in those
- 08:48kinds of things that you,
- 08:49you'll see this right away.
- 08:52We'll talk a little bit and Amy
- 08:54Blanche will talk about bleeding
- 08:55edge technologies and cores.
- 08:57It is something that we try
- 08:58to keep an eye on to,
- 09:00to make research good for everybody here.
- 09:04Their core facilities,
- 09:05most of what you would be using probably
- 09:08are what we call central cores.
- 09:10It runs run out of the Dean's office,
- 09:11basically summer departmental
- 09:13cores and departmental cores can
- 09:15be everything from something that
- 09:16takes care of the glass washing for,
- 09:18you know,
- 09:1910 PI's in the department to
- 09:21something that actually extends out
- 09:23into other departments as well.
- 09:25And that's not that uncommon.
- 09:27There is an office for team science,
- 09:29which is something that was created
- 09:31that Nancy created when she came
- 09:33that the Dean and really been
- 09:35good for those of you who may be
- 09:37engaged in looking at large grants.
- 09:39So most of us get used to kind of
- 09:41doing our own RO ones and those
- 09:43kinds of grants from foundations.
- 09:45But when it's a large grant,
- 09:46they often have all kinds of components
- 09:48that are beyond the science,
- 09:50beyond the specific games if you will
- 09:52that need to be done properly or
- 09:55you'll get trashed at study section.
- 09:57And so there is an officer tries
- 09:58to work on that.
- 09:59There's actually a pilot grant
- 10:01program as well asking people to
- 10:03who have a goal to get something
- 10:06like a program project grant or
- 10:08one of what we call you grants and
- 10:10really get get it to where it is.
- 10:12Many of these things I can tell
- 10:14you that for the for the grant
- 10:16that supports the Yale Center
- 10:18for Clinical Investigation,
- 10:19the last renewal that we put in
- 10:22was was 3998 pages for example,
- 10:25I was,
- 10:26I was really disappointed that we
- 10:28didn't get to 4000 but regardless
- 10:30and we do things about appointments
- 10:32to Graduate School and so forth.
- 10:34Did I go through all of it?
- 10:35This is this is yours. Yes, Okay.
- 10:37So those are sort of the big areas
- 10:39that I just wanted to mention and
- 10:41I'm going to turn things over to,
- 10:42to Keith talk about physician
- 10:44scientists and scientists development.
- 10:48Well, let me be another who
- 10:50extends a welcome to all of you.
- 10:51I wanted to give you sort of a highlevel
- 10:54overview of some of the resources that we
- 10:56put together in the office of Physician,
- 10:58Scientist and Scientist Development,
- 11:00which is also a new initiative from the Dean.
- 11:03So what OPSSD really seeks to do is
- 11:06address practical challenges that are
- 11:07encountered at different career stages,
- 11:10to create community and mentorship
- 11:11that spans all phases of training,
- 11:13to ensure protected time for
- 11:15those who need it,
- 11:16and to provide research support for
- 11:18investigators while fostering collaborations
- 11:20which drive future discoveries.
- 11:21And these are lofty goals,
- 11:23but we've also put into place
- 11:25an infrastructure behind them.
- 11:27So we have a group of individuals
- 11:29who are tasked with different
- 11:31elements of this domain.
- 11:33I'd like to highlight Niadi,
- 11:35who serves as the Director of Scientists,
- 11:36Diversity and Inclusion, Valerie Renke,
- 11:39who's the Interim Chair of Genetics,
- 11:40but also serving as our Director
- 11:42of PhD Scientist Development.
- 11:44Jean Shapiro,
- 11:45who has a longstanding history
- 11:46of being deeply invested in
- 11:49helping early career development.
- 11:50He's our Director of Grant
- 11:52Writing and Evaluation.
- 11:53Nick Licht runs our program
- 11:55office along with Sarah Ratner.
- 11:58And so we have a variety of initiatives,
- 11:59some of which may touch upon your lives.
- 12:02One is we have a role in funding
- 12:06and so we have the Yale Physician
- 12:09Scientist Development Awards which
- 12:10are an institutional K equivalent
- 12:12which are helpful in getting
- 12:14people the preliminary data to
- 12:16go for extramural K awards.
- 12:18It's coadministered with
- 12:19the YCCIK L2 program.
- 12:21We have an international Physician
- 12:23Scientist resident fellow Research award is
- 12:25really intended to enhance our pipeline.
- 12:27There's also an Anderson Post Doctoral
- 12:29fellowship which is open to early
- 12:31career laboratory based investigators
- 12:33to support an individual postdoc
- 12:35in their research environment and
- 12:36all of these funding announcements
- 12:38will come out throughout the year.
- 12:40We also have a role in
- 12:42professional development,
- 12:43so we have a research program leadership
- 12:46and management skills course which
- 12:48I'll highlight again in a moment.
- 12:49We have a Janeway Society which many of
- 12:52you will become automatic members of.
- 12:54Janeway is intended to consist of
- 12:57individuals who are new appointments
- 13:00to basic science departments or
- 13:02individuals in clinical departments
- 13:04with K Award or equivalent.
- 13:07We also do a little bit of work on
- 13:09the networking side with quarterly
- 13:11luncheons for Janeway Society
- 13:12members and new assistant professors.
- 13:15That's cosponsored of the Deputy Deans
- 13:18and we have a variety of resources,
- 13:20and I think the resources are
- 13:22probably going to be the things
- 13:23that are most useful to you,
- 13:24and these include a grants library
- 13:26which has just about every mechanism
- 13:28you can consider applying for.
- 13:29In my experience,
- 13:30the best way to write a grant is to see
- 13:32how someone else did it in the past.
- 13:34And so this, I think,
- 13:36is a real opportunity for folks.
- 13:39We have a grant writing course that
- 13:41applies to people both writing
- 13:42career development awards but also
- 13:44initial RO ones,
- 13:45which takes people from an idea
- 13:47through figures and a final grant,
- 13:49culminating in a study section.
- 13:52We have a scientific writing workshop
- 13:55which contains both didactic portions as
- 13:57well as paste manuscript writing portions.
- 14:00And then we also run a very active
- 14:02mock study section,
- 14:03which is an incredible opportunity
- 14:04to take advantage of the incredible
- 14:07diversity of investigators that we have
- 14:09here who have expertise in the area
- 14:11that you're writing your grants in.
- 14:13And we found the people who go
- 14:15through mock study section find
- 14:16it to be an incredibly useful
- 14:18experience because they get reviewers
- 14:20one through 3 written comments,
- 14:21but they also get a copy of the
- 14:24video of the mock study section
- 14:26where they can see how those comments
- 14:28are translated into a score.
- 14:31Many of you will participate in
- 14:33the Research Program Leadership
- 14:34and Management Skills course.
- 14:35This is a 2 day course which is
- 14:39run by German company called HFP
- 14:40Consulting offered to all Research
- 14:42Focus ladder faculty within the first
- 14:44three years of their appointment.
- 14:46So expect to hear from us at some
- 14:48point over the next three years.
- 14:50And it covers a variety of topics.
- 14:52This is an incredibly highly rated course.
- 14:55It goes through principles
- 14:57for professional interactions,
- 14:59skills for effective communication.
- 15:01It talks about efficiency,
- 15:02which is something that we all seek
- 15:04to strive to achieve, establishing,
- 15:08maintaining collaborations,
- 15:09team development, solving conflicts.
- 15:11Those classical questions of hiring
- 15:13and firing are addressed there and
- 15:16this actually creates a great cohort
- 15:18of individuals that are arriving at
- 15:20the institution at about the same
- 15:21time and is nucleated groups that
- 15:23have carried forward and that we we
- 15:25regroup with these groups at a year
- 15:27to discuss individuals experiences.
- 15:29We run this three times a year.
- 15:32I mentioned the Janeway Society.
- 15:34This was really meant to recognize the
- 15:37incredible effort that it takes to
- 15:39become faculty in the 1st place and
- 15:42to create a cohort of early career
- 15:44physician scientists and PhD scientists
- 15:46to have access to infrastructure
- 15:49and career development resources.
- 15:51We have 200 members across 28 department
- 15:53schools and centers and as I mentioned,
- 15:56the eligibility is intramural or
- 15:57extramural career development awards or
- 15:59new hires in the basic science departments.
- 16:01We run a series of programs including
- 16:03a First Fridays seminar series on
- 16:06leadership management and communication.
- 16:08We have a leadership group consisting
- 16:10of the membership of Janeway,
- 16:12which really drives that first Friday series,
- 16:15which provides both a perspective
- 16:16as well as near peer mentorship
- 16:19around an individual topic.
- 16:20We run a very successful annual retreat,
- 16:23but we also engage the members of Janeway
- 16:26as mentors for others who are rising up,
- 16:28like graduate students and MDPHD
- 16:30students to really enhance the
- 16:32mentorship network that's present.
- 16:33Institutionally,
- 16:36our quarterly luncheon has proven
- 16:37to be a fantastic you're going to
- 16:40get a taste of Yale catering today,
- 16:41but we've really upped our game.
- 16:44But more important than the food is
- 16:46the opportunity to come together
- 16:47with leadership of the medical school
- 16:49and with
- 16:49other faculty. And I always enjoy going
- 16:51to these lunches because people sort
- 16:53of go around the table and talk about
- 16:55the things they're interested in.
- 16:56And I see it nucleating. A great program,
- 16:59project grants right before my eyes.
- 17:02Grants library, just to give you an idea
- 17:05of where we stand with the grants library.
- 17:07And this is something that is in
- 17:09a state of continuous evolution.
- 17:12So we have a large number of K&R awards.
- 17:15We focused on institutional training grants.
- 17:18We have a lot of diversity supplements.
- 17:20We've got Peas use UM ones,
- 17:23loan repayments, pioneer awards,
- 17:25VA awards and F series.
- 17:27But in fact, if you are going to
- 17:29be applying for a grant mechanism
- 17:31that's not in the grants library,
- 17:33let us know.
- 17:33We'll figure out who at the
- 17:35institution has those grants,
- 17:36make those early connections that you
- 17:38can always access a grant that's relevant
- 17:40to the mechanism that you're applying for.
- 17:43And so we really seek to be as service
- 17:45oriented as we can be around the grants,
- 17:50endeavors.
- 17:50Our grant writing course is offered
- 17:52twice a year directed by Jeanne Shapiro,
- 17:55along with the cadre of senior faculty.
- 17:58You have a lot of experience in this space.
- 18:01Small sections of faculty come
- 18:03together to write grants and they
- 18:05engage in seminars that are related
- 18:08to strategy that's matched the
- 18:10mechanism that's being applied for.
- 18:12There's a paste writing component with peer
- 18:14and faculty review and as I mentioned,
- 18:17it culminates in a study section
- 18:19and it's highly,
- 18:20highly sought after and well reviewed.
- 18:22Manuscript writing is led by Angie
- 18:26Hoffman who's written a really fantastic
- 18:29book about scientific communication.
- 18:30She's kicks it off with two half day
- 18:33workshops on scientific writing,
- 18:35which I'd encourage everyone,
- 18:36regardless of how many papers
- 18:38you've written to, to come to.
- 18:40I think she's really thought provoking.
- 18:42And then we also have this PACE
- 18:44manuscript writing program where
- 18:45participants compose of at least central
- 18:47portions of a manuscript over four to
- 18:49six weeks with pure and faculty review.
- 18:51Sometimes it's just about getting
- 18:53the activation energy to actually
- 18:54put pen to paper,
- 18:55and that's part of what this is all about.
- 18:59And then mock study sections.
- 19:00You know,
- 19:01this is a resource which I would
- 19:03encourage all of you who are writing
- 19:05grants to really seriously consider
- 19:06because of a couple of things.
- 19:07One is it has a fairly aggressive timeline.
- 19:10It's asking you to submit your grant
- 19:158 weeks prior to a deadline with the
- 19:18list of potential Yale reviewers.
- 19:20We solicit those reviewers and
- 19:21actually compensate them with gifts
- 19:23of wine and chocolate,
- 19:24which we find are more effective
- 19:26than money and and they and they
- 19:30wholeheartedly respond to requests and
- 19:33really I have been very impressed with
- 19:35the quality of review that's happened.
- 19:37And so you submit the full grant.
- 19:39So eight weeks before you give
- 19:40us specific games and reviewers,
- 19:416 weeks before the deadline
- 19:43submit as much of the grant as you
- 19:44have done and the more you have
- 19:46done, the better we can do
- 19:48with the review process.
- 19:49We rapidly turn that around so that you
- 19:51have a full month with our comments prior
- 19:53to the due date for the submission.
- 19:56We also encourage Janeway Society
- 19:58members to participate in the reviews
- 19:59to get a sense of what it's like to
- 20:02be a part of a of a study section.
- 20:04We've we've reviewed 41 grants to
- 20:06date but we have the capacity to
- 20:08do at least 16 per in a cycle.
- 20:11We can also accommodate off cycle
- 20:13applications because we do recognize
- 20:15that there is some off cycle
- 20:17awards and we're always happy to
- 20:19try to accommodate that.
- 20:20And so that's a bit on some of the
- 20:23resources that we put together for career
- 20:25development and scientific support.
- 20:27And I think that our,
- 20:29our next slide is really shared by
- 20:31many of the people who've spoken today
- 20:35about some of the things that we can,
- 20:37that we can think about as we begin
- 20:40to engage in scientific research.
- 20:42And and so I think I'll,
- 20:44I'll just hit the high points,
- 20:45but you know,
- 20:46I think the beautiful thing about
- 20:48Yale is no matter what it is
- 20:49that you're interested in,
- 20:51there's someone else who's
- 20:52also interested in it.
- 20:53And so you just need to find a
- 20:54way to engage with mentors and
- 20:56sponsors and people who can make
- 20:58those connections for you.
- 20:59Many times that's going to be people
- 21:01who have an institutional role,
- 21:02but other times it's going to be
- 21:04those individuals who are sitting
- 21:06within your own department.
- 21:07You know,
- 21:08I think for every space and resource issue,
- 21:10there's chairs and vice chairs who
- 21:13can be your first point of contact.
- 21:15And then, you know,
- 21:16I think look at your individual
- 21:17departmental leadership structure
- 21:19for who those individuals are.
- 21:20They can really be the ones who
- 21:22can make the connections for you
- 21:24to leadership and help to navigate
- 21:26the processes of the institution.
- 21:28You know,
- 21:29part of this is about getting
- 21:30out there and and establishing
- 21:32your reputation of locally,
- 21:34importantly to get known by individuals
- 21:36here who could be your collaborators,
- 21:38but also nationally and internationally.
- 21:40And so, you know,
- 21:41seek opportunities to engage and
- 21:43to collaborate.
- 21:44You know, I always have said to my
- 21:47early career faculty that you can
- 21:48only trust your hands at the bench.
- 21:50Your best hands are your own hands.
- 21:53And so if you can be in the lab,
- 21:54that has an opportunity to really
- 21:56sort of drive your science forward.
- 21:58And of course,
- 21:59I think the reason that we're
- 22:01all here is that we find joy
- 22:02in the things that we do.
- 22:04So thank you so much for your time.