Health Care Management Department Overview

April 06, 2023

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Monday, March 20, 2023

Dr. Howard Forman and Claire Masters led this discussion about the Health Care Management Program.

It covered curriculum, research, and resources within each of YSPH's academic departments. Hosted by department chairs and faculty members in each department, these sessions should answer a variety of questions related to course offerings, program structure, faculty advising, and the master’s thesis or capstone.

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00:02<v ->All right, I may just get us started,</v>
00:04if that's okay with all of you.
00:06Mary Keefe is just joining us
00:07for the first couple of minutes.
00:08She's our Director of Admissions for the program,
00:12and then she'll be stepping off.
00:13And Claire is with me,
00:14but she may need to step away for a few minutes.
00:17The purpose of this is to answer any questions you have,
00:20to tell you a little bit about the program,
00:23and then really just try to prepare you
00:26for making your own decisions.
00:29We're taping this because there will be people
00:31that will wanna see this after today,
00:33and obviously, we're doing an onsite information session in,
00:37I think, a little more than a week, right?
00:38I think it's next week, next Thursday or something, or next-
00:42<v ->Yes, March 30th, yes.</v> <v ->March 30th, good.</v>
00:45So that's just a little bit off.
00:48You know, when I took this program over 12 years ago now,
00:53I really would not have ever been able
00:56to say to you at that time
00:57that we had the best healthcare management program
00:59in the country,
00:59because we were sort of waxing and waning then.
01:02There were a lot of things that were up in the air.
01:05And I'm not a terribly good salesman,
01:07so I don't tend to say things that I think are hyperbole.
01:11But in the last four or five years,
01:14I've had no problem saying
01:15we have the best healthcare management program
01:17in the country.
01:19You know, I graduated from the Wharton School in my MBA,
01:22so I know what a good MBA healthcare management program is,
01:26and I'm not comparing us to them.
01:29I think they still have a very good MBA program.
01:33I think our MBA/MPH program
01:35does compare favorably with that.
01:36I'll tell you a little bit more about that.
01:39But when you compare our program to other MPH programs
01:44with a healthcare management focus,
01:46or to other MHA programs,
01:49I am convinced that we have the best program in the country.
01:52There are two caveats to that.
01:55Our geography may not be the most appealing to everybody,
01:59and there are programs that have better financial aid.
02:02I mean, those are the two caveats to that.
02:04And nobody likes me saying that out loud,
02:07but those are realities.
02:08So when you choose our program,
02:10you're choosing the best program in the country.
02:13But I recognize that some of you may choose another program
02:17because of financial reasons or because of geography,
02:22for one reason or another.
02:23Gabriel, are you able to hear us now?
02:25Fantastic, good, that's the best news, (laughs) sorry.
02:31It's the small things in life that bring me joy, that's all.
02:36What makes our program special
02:38is this very deep connection to the School of Management.
02:42So we have an exceptional School of Public Health
02:46that gives you a core Public Health degree
02:49and the ability to take a almost limitless number
02:53of Public Health electives as well as Healthcare electives
02:59on Yale University's campus at the Law School
03:02and in the graduate school, and so on.
03:06And then we have this deep connection
03:08to the School of Management,
03:09where our students take about half of their coursework
03:12at the School of Management.
03:14The required coursework at the School of Management
03:17is much less than that, but most of our students
03:19take considerably more than the minimum requirement
03:22at the School of Management.
03:24Our students come here with a variety of backgrounds.
03:28Some of our students come straight out of college.
03:32I can tell you, and Mary knows this,
03:33'cause we work hand in glove on admissions right now,
03:37that if we admit somebody straight out of college,
03:40they have exceptional experiences during college,
03:44and other attributes that convince me
03:47that they are head and shoulders
03:49better than the average candidate for our program.
03:53And if you come with work experience,
03:55I would rely much more heavily on your work experience
03:58and your ability to show evidence of leadership
04:02and understanding of what the field is
04:04that you're going into.
04:07We are trying to admit a class right now
04:09that'll be substantially smaller
04:12than the class we're graduating.
04:14Mary would like me to have
04:16a class of about 30 people, I think.
04:18I'm aiming for a little bit smaller than that,
04:21but it'll probably be somewhere between 20 and 30,
04:24if I had to guess right now.
04:26About four or five years ago for no particular reason,
04:29we got a class of 14,
04:32and Claire and I were very happy about that.
04:35Even if the school might have budgeted differently,
04:37we were very happy.
04:38But we aim to be a smaller program
04:42than a lot of other healthcare management programs.
04:45And Claire and I, I should point out,
04:46Claire is my co-director of the program,
04:49and we, too, also work hand in glove.
04:51I work hand in glove with Mary on admissions.
04:53I work hand in glove with Claire on everything else
04:56related to student affairs, student services,
05:00the curriculum, everything.
05:03We do very well on the admission side,
05:08we do very well on the placement side.
05:10Our students go into a variety of fields.
05:14If I had to guess, on average,
05:17it works out to about a third of our students
05:19go into something that looks like consulting.
05:22About a third of our students
05:24go into something that looks like hospital administration
05:27or an administrative fellowship,
05:29and the remaining third
05:31go into a wide, wide variety of things,
05:33running the gamut of entrepreneurship to insurance industry,
05:39to life sciences, to NGOs,
05:42real global health NGOs, and so on.
05:47We just do well on all those counts.
05:50The program is intense and there are some drawbacks to it.
05:55The biggest drawback to the program
05:57is that we're a relatively small university.
06:00And when we say you have to take a course,
06:03that's when you take a course.
06:05There's very little flexibility for that.
06:07We can't say to you "If you don't take accounting
06:10"on Mondays and Wednesdays when we want you to take it,
06:13"you could take it Tuesdays and Thursdays,
06:15"or you could take it in the afternoon."
06:18There are a lot of universities that have multiple sections
06:20where you could take a class any time you want to.
06:23For us, the classes are offered very often in specific times
06:28with very little flexibility.
06:30And so when you come here, you're accepting the fact
06:32that there is less flexibility in your curriculum
06:35than other students in the School of Public Health,
06:38and certainly other healthcare management students
06:40in other universities.
06:43Once you put that aside, everything else, I think,
06:46is at least as good or better than our peer institutions.
06:50The curriculum covers a sort of mini-MBA curriculum
06:54with accounting and finance, competitive strategy,
06:56negotiations, marketing, Capstone course,
07:02and various innovation courses
07:05as well as life sciences classes.
07:08So we try to give you the full gamut.
07:11I don't even think any other program
07:12comes close to being able to do
07:14what we're able to do with that,
07:15and certainly not at a business school for all of that.
07:19We have probably the best co-curricular
07:23and extracurricular activities.
07:25Our co-curricular activities include the HAVEN Free Clinic,
07:29the Healthcare Conference, the Healthcare Case Competition.
07:34The Healthcare Conference, by the way,
07:35is probably the largest student-run
07:37healthcare conference in the country,
07:39even bigger than Wharton's Conference.
07:43And there are a lot of
07:45other extracurricular activities as well.
07:47Our students sometimes are hockey players,
07:50are soccer players.
07:53They're involved in various just social activities.
07:57We encourage as much as possible.
07:59Our students really do bond as a core.
08:02They get to know each other,
08:04and I think it serves us really well for that.
08:08And then, finally,
08:12I had one more thing I wanted to talk about.
08:15Maybe not, maybe that's it.
08:16I'll turn it over to Claire-
08:18<v ->Yeah.</v> <v ->To fill in the gaps.</v>
08:19<v ->Yeah, I can think of a few things to mention,</v>
08:21which is just how valuable and close-knit
08:25the alumni community is for HCM.
08:28They're a source for us for a lot of support
08:32for current students to talk about their experiences
08:34working in different areas of the industry.
08:38And they help us with things like internship
08:40and full-time job placements.
08:42They're an incredible loyal bunch.
08:46They keep in touch with each other as well.
08:49I think that's one thing
08:50that differentiates our program from several others
08:55in just sort of how our alumni look after the community,
09:01the rest of the alumni as well as current students.
09:06In addition to some of the extracurricular activities
09:09that Howie mentioned,
09:10I think it's important to also mention,
09:12I think a growing number of students,
09:14they're interested in innovation
09:16and new ventures in the healthcare space.
09:19And so there's a lot of students
09:20that are involved in Yale Ventures, which is campus-wide.
09:25There's also Tsai CITY,
09:26which is mainly focused at Yale College.
09:30And there's also, I'm blanking on the name,
09:34Innovate Health Yale, which is based at YSPH.
09:37So if that is of interest to you as well,
09:40there's a lot of students doing that kind of work
09:42and getting involved in that.
09:45In addition, Yale is just a wonderful place, I think,
09:48to be a grad student,
09:50and the New Haven community is really impressive, I think.
09:54I have firsthand experience
09:56of being a spouse of a grad student for six years.
09:59My husband did his PhD at the Econ School.
10:02So I know what it's like
10:03to live with a grad student on campus for a long time.
10:07And it's really wonderful, I think.
10:12You can have amazing pizza.
10:14You can go to incredible restaurants.
10:17There's live music in town, there's always great theater.
10:21There's Yale Cabaret.
10:23There's always someone impressive on campus giving a talk.
10:26I never really felt the need to leave the city
10:31to go do other exciting things.
10:33There was always sort of something happening,
10:34especially post-pandemic, we're sort of getting back to
10:38regular periods of activity on campus.
10:40So these are things that I think you should be excited about
10:43if you're thinking about becoming a grad student at Yale
10:46and what that means.
10:48<v ->So let me, I did wanna answer one question in advance</v>
10:52that has been asked before many times,
10:55and it's just useful to put it on tape
10:57as well as to say it for you.
10:59We run this program alongside our BS/MPH students
11:04and alongside our MBA/MPH students,
11:08so you become part of a cohort
11:10that includes all of those students.
11:12The BS/MPH students are just one of you,
11:15the only difference being that
11:16they will graduate with their BS and MPH after five years.
11:21So in many ways, they are still a senior in college
11:24when they're doing the program.
11:25That is a very, very select group.
11:27As Mary knows,
11:28we reject many very highly-qualified candidates for that.
11:32You will not be disappointed
11:34in having those students in the class.
11:36And similarly, you will not be disappointed
11:38with our joint degree students.
11:39Our joint degree students fit into three categories.
11:43We have our accelerated dual joint degree students
11:46who apply simultaneously to the business school
11:49and the School of Public Health,
11:52and are accepted at both places at once.
11:55And they're able to do the program in two years.
11:58They typically have three or more years
12:00of work experience after college.
12:02They begin the program in July as opposed to late August,
12:07and they finish in 22 months, roughly.
12:14And you will know them very well.
12:16They'll be in many of your classes,
12:17and particularly Colloquium.
12:20And then there are our three-year students
12:23who also apply simultaneously,
12:27but they are not necessarily doing it in two years.
12:30They do it in three years.
12:31They start same time you do, and they do the HCM curriculum
12:35for the first year with you all,
12:37and then they do the MBA curriculum
12:40starting in the second year.
12:42And then there's the third category,
12:44which are students that come to our program as HCM students,
12:48and during their first year,
12:50apply to the business school and get accepted.
12:53They're small in number.
12:54They tend to be about one to three people a year.
12:58It's very competitive, as you can imagine.
13:00But if you qualify to be able to apply to that,
13:05then we help you with that.
13:07We generally recommend applying in the second round
13:11when your grade from the first semester is already in,
13:14in all courses, and you can demonstrate not just competence,
13:18but excellence in coursework,
13:20both at the School of Public Health
13:22as well as the School of Management.
13:24And we have a pretty good track record
13:26of students coming through that way.
13:28I think we have two in the current, yeah,
13:31so two made at last year.
13:33And for this current class, I don't know if we have any yet,
13:36but they'll find out in about two weeks.
13:41So let me open it up for questions
13:42from all of you right now.
13:44<v ->I'm also gonna place our current colloquium schedule</v>
13:48in the chat, so that you can have a look at
13:50what our programming has looked like for the last year.
13:53<v ->Yeah, no, and we're really proud of this.</v>
13:55This is high-touch.
13:57Our students really do get to have
14:00very visible contact with leaders in healthcare
14:04who can form the basis for their own network
14:08as well as for just helping them think better
14:12about what their careers can and should be.
14:27<v ->I guess I'll go first.</v>
14:29<v ->Sure, go ahead, Jesse.</v>
14:30<v ->Nice seeing you guys again, Mary, Claire and Howard.</v>
14:33I first wanna address your two caveats.
14:36You said like, I think New Haven's the best location for me,
14:38because I live in New York City now.
14:40And most of my college friends are here,
14:42but my home is Boston, so New Haven's right between the two.
14:45<v ->That's great.</v>
14:46<v ->And in terms of financial aid,</v>
14:48I got a great package from Yale, so I can't complain.
14:51So this is a perfect fit for me.
14:52<v ->No, no, look, I'm not gonna ever try to talk somebody</v>
14:56out of the program,
14:57and I love that you're pitchin' the program, but I-
15:00<v ->We thank you, Jesse.</v>
15:01<v ->Right here, right here.</v> <v ->There you go, there you go.</v>
15:03And I'm-
15:04<v ->Sorry, Mary, you didn't see it there.</v>
15:05<v ->And I never went to Yale,</v>
15:06and I still wear my Yale stuff all the time.
15:09No, no, I agree with you.
15:10I think it's a great place.
15:12I do respect people who say to me,
15:14"I have a spouse in California, Yale just isn't for me."
15:18I get that; that's not, you know, I can't change that.
15:21<v ->Yeah, so my question is like, let we talk about this,</v>
15:25I have undergraduate business degree from Georgetown.
15:27I'm really strongly considering MBA.
15:30I would love to apply for an MBA at Yale,
15:33maybe do a three-year program.
15:34But do you also think us HCM students,
15:39do we need an MBA to be like-
15:40<v ->Yeah, it's a great question.</v>
15:43First of all, let me just say
15:45applying for the MBA means having a standardized test.
15:48So I don't remember for you, Jesse-
15:50<v ->I have one, yeah.</v>
15:51<v ->Yeah, I didn't remember.</v>
15:52A lot of you that did this year.
15:54I was actually surprised by how many students
15:56came in with a standardized test,
15:57'cause we don't require it.
16:00So that's the first thing that's a hurdle for some people.
16:03Do you need it?
16:04No, absolutely not.
16:05We have so much success with students
16:08that have never had an MBA.
16:11But do a few people ask about it,
16:15particularly three, four years out?
16:18A few people do.
16:20And people do occasionally go back and get the MBA.
16:23I can give you a very short list, but it's still a list,
16:27and every one of those people I respect.
16:29It's not like I look at them
16:31and I think they weren't terribly good to begin with.
16:35They needed an MBA, absolutely not.
16:37They basically felt like they were possibly hitting a roof,
16:43a ceiling, and thought that, in their job, it could help.
16:47There's sometimes people do the MBA to pivot.
16:50That, I get as well.
16:51If you've graduated the MPH program,
16:53you spend the next five years
16:56working in hospital administration,
16:58and all of a sudden, you feel like, you know,
16:59I really wanna go into life sciences,
17:02an MBA can be useful for a pivot.
17:06To do the MBA as part of the curriculum
17:09is a very compelling story, 'cause it's one extra year.
17:15It is the ability to develop a stronger network.
17:22You'll meet other people.
17:25So I'm not gonna talk you out of it.
17:27To do one extra year, I think, for many people makes sense.
17:31But Claire and I both have a long list
17:34of incredibly accomplished students
17:36who have not done the MBA,
17:38who are now far out in their careers.
17:41Our Chief Operating Officer of Yale New Haven Health Systems
17:44is a graduate of our program.
17:45She does not have an MBA.
17:48But there are people that do.
17:50I mean, if you look at the colloquium list
17:56that Claire just shared with you, if you go down that list,
18:01you go all the way down to September 22nd,
18:05Gina Calder did our program in 2008,
18:09and came back and did the MBA with me
18:11through the Executive program in 2022.
18:14But then you go down just a little bit,
18:15and then Courtney did the accelerated program.
18:19October 13th, Courtney did the accelerated program.
18:22David Sr., only the MPH from our program,
18:26never did the MBA, never regretted it.
18:29And then Pamela Sutton Wallace never did the MBA,
18:32never regretted it.
18:33She's a graduate of our program in '97.
18:35So even there, just looking at those bios
18:38can give you a pretty good idea of we do well either way.
18:43And I would not try to talk you into,
18:45and I would not try to talk you out of
18:47consideration of the three-year program.
18:52<v ->Thank you, Howie.</v> <v ->Sure.</v>
18:58Anybody else?
18:59I mean, we make this as short or as long as you want.
19:02I don't wanna keep you,
19:03and all of you are welcome to reach out to us.
19:06Or I know, I think Jesse told us
19:08he's gonna come to our in-person session.
19:12Are Gabriel, Michelle coming?
19:14Oh, let me let in whoever that is, okay.
19:18Gabriel or Michelle, are you coming to either?
19:21You are?
19:22<v ->Is this the one in two weeks?</v>
19:24<v ->In like a week and a half, yeah.</v>
19:26<v ->Oh, yeah, I will be there, yes.</v>
19:28<v ->Good, good, it'll be fun to see you all.</v>
19:30And we'd love to get an idea of how many people are coming
19:33because, and maybe this is enough already for us
19:36to pull the cord, but Claire and I are talking about
19:41whether it might be useful
19:42to set up a little tour of the School of Management
19:44for you all, and maybe we'll do that.
19:47If you guys want it, maybe that's enough reason to do it
19:50even if we just have four or five people.
19:52<v ->I can get you that number tomorrow.</v>
19:55<v ->Thank you.</v> <v ->Yeah.</v>
19:56That would be really nice if you could do that.
19:58You know, we're ending the day at Mory's, so maybe,
20:02we can talk about timing.
20:03<v ->Yeah, we'll figure, that's a great idea,</v>
20:05'cause I'd like to do that.
20:06I wanna make sure it's as useful, it's not, you know,
20:09for Jesse, he's already committed to us,
20:11but I don't wanna sell it to you so much.
20:14I want you to know the whole gamut.
20:16And School of Management is a beautiful building,
20:20and it's not just a beautiful building on the outside.
20:23It's a beautiful building on the inside,
20:25and the people inside of it are beautiful.
20:27I mean, it's just a nice school.
20:29There's a lot of good things about it.
20:30It's not your typical business school.
20:34Idrissa, I don't know
20:36if I'm pronouncing your name correctly,
20:37but we sort of summarized a lot of stuff
20:40in the earlier time, but I still wanna make sure
20:42that we answer any questions that you have.
20:48<v Idrissa>Yeah, yeah, you pronounced it right, thank you.</v>
20:51<v ->Sure, can you put your camera on?</v>
20:53Or is it not possible at this time?
20:56<v Idrissa>I'm actually in transit,</v>
20:58which makes it a little bit complicated,
21:00so sorry about that, yeah. <v ->All right, no problem.</v>
21:02We're here to answer your questions if you have them.
21:04We're sort of at the end right now,
21:06so I just wanna make sure we are able to satisfy
21:09whatever you came here for.
21:12Yes, go ahead.
21:13<v ->Yeah, I had a quick question.</v>
21:14So I am very unfamiliar with the East Coast.
21:18I'm coming from Colorado,
21:19so it's like a totally different world for me.
21:24So I know you mentioned in the beginning,
21:27you were talking about that we will be sharing
21:30with the accelerated students with the MBA,
21:33I believe, MPH students as well, so we're starting together.
21:37I guess my question is for the MPH program by itself
21:40as a standstill, how many people are in this class,
21:43or how many people
21:44at least were offered admission to this class?
21:47I don't know if you can comment-
21:47<v ->To which, the HCM or to the whole MPH?</v>
21:50<v ->Just to the HCM's.</v>
21:51<v ->Oh, to the HCM, our goal is to be between 20 and 30,</v>
21:55and it will not surprise me with either extreme.
21:58It would surprise me if we have less than 20,
22:00but I wouldn't be upset by it necessarily.
22:05I will say this, and Claire and Mary
22:08have heard me say this before.
22:10I have raised the standard substantially this year
22:13because the applicant pool has gotten bigger and richer.
22:16I mean, and not richer with money, unfortunately,
22:19but richer in terms of talent and school experience.
22:27<v ->I did have a question.</v>
22:28You know, I did reach out into the Yale Veterans Network.
22:30I know that that was one thing
22:32that kind of drove me to applying to Yale.
22:34You guys have a pretty robust veterans network
22:37in addition to resources,
22:38and you guys have a local
22:41Veteran Administration Hospital just close by.
22:44But I think that was one thing
22:47that kind of drove me to applying
22:48was I just wanted to feel that sense of community again.
22:50I am military, I'm Air Force,
22:52and I didn't know kind of what I was getting myself into,
22:55but once I started researching
22:56that Yale kind of had a really great support system
22:58put in place, I think that was one of the reasons
23:00for me at least applying and seeing what could happen.
23:05And can you just speak a little bit on that,
23:08the Yale Veteran Network?
23:09I did reach out to, I believe his name was Rod,
23:12correct me if I'm wrong? <v ->Yeah, Rodrigo, yes.</v>
23:14<v ->But I just didn't know if you guys</v>
23:16had any more information on how that's like
23:18or what that's like for the student perspective.
23:21<v ->Yeah, I mean, so I can't speak enough,</v>
23:24but I can tell you, first of all,
23:25that one of my earliest speakers for this coming year
23:28is the Undersecretary for Health for the VA.
23:31She's coming in early September,
23:33and she is one of my favorite people.
23:35She's been a mentor to me for over 20 years.
23:38So even without thinking about you personally,
23:40we have the VA upfront this year for Colloquium.
23:45I can tell you that, so another example,
23:51she's actually active reservist right now.
23:53But my TF for my undergraduate class
23:56is a second year law student
23:58who is an active reservist in the Air Force
24:01and served, I think, for either six or nine years
24:03in the Air Force actively before she entered school now.
24:09And she's based out of Florida,
24:10so that's where she goes back for her reserve activity.
24:13So there are people across the campus.
24:16School of Management has School of Public Health,
24:19School of Law.
24:20Yale is a pretty good community.
24:23And then the VA, as you said,
24:24there's a shuttle bus that takes you to the VA.
24:27So even though it is about seven miles away
24:30as the crow flies, it's even closer
24:33because we have a little shuttle bus
24:34that just goes there from the School of Medicine,
24:36which is really right next door
24:37to the School of Public Health.
24:40<v ->Yeah, Howie, it's also worth mentioning, I think,</v>
24:42that students regularly do practicum placements
24:45at the VA and also internships.
24:47So there's a network there
24:50that students regularly take advantage of
24:53to have opportunities to get involved with the VA,
24:56and research as well.
24:58There's lots of research in there, too.
25:00<v ->That's very good to know.</v>
25:01No, I've always been a non-traditional student myself,
25:03so I am actually transferring from the Denver VA
25:06over to the New Haven VA.
25:07I'm a registered nurse, that's my profession right now.
25:09<v ->Oh, yeah, now I remember you.</v>
25:11<v ->Yeah, I'm currently working as a nurse at the VA,</v>
25:14but I'm also an active reservist as well in the Air Force.
25:16So it's kinda like I will be still holding onto that
25:19and doing as much as I can.
25:20I did see on your Frequently Asked Questions page
25:22that typical students will work about
25:24one 12-hour shift a week on average.
25:28I didn't know if that was just an average
25:30or just an estimate.
25:32'Cause I will be planning on working part-time
25:35in both facets.
25:36<v ->We've had the full gamut.</v>
25:38Look, we know that if you're working,
25:41you have less activities you can do,
25:43but that's the reality of life, right?
25:45I mean, every student's different.
25:48We've had students
25:49unfortunately working practically full-time.
25:52We are extremely opposed to that if possible.
25:57We had a student this past year who lost his father,
26:01and basically, the father was the person
26:05running the family business,
26:06and they lost his father suddenly.
26:09That was not a good situation,
26:12but there was nothing that anybody could do for it
26:14other than to try to accommodate him as much as possible
26:17and help him along.
26:19But 12 hours is very doable, like 12 hours is doable.
26:24There's also lots of break times where,
26:28if you wanted to, you could do more.
26:30You have a nine day, or maybe, yeah,
26:33nine-day Thanksgiving break.
26:36You know, there are people,
26:37we've had nurses in the program before.
26:39We've had people who do a full 40-hour week
26:41during break week.
26:43And it's sort of what I do,
26:46as someone who teaches but also practices medicine.
26:49Right now we're on Spring Break.
26:51I'm doing more ER work this week
26:53than I do when I'm teaching.
26:54I'm working tomorrow evening.
26:55I don't work on Tuesday evenings when I'm teaching,
26:59but this week is off.
27:00So I think you have the right idea about it.
27:03And to the extent that you're able to work with the VA,
27:05that would be awesome, 'cause it's very convenient to here.
27:08And I think you'll find that both the clinical community
27:12as well as the VA,
27:14the veterans community itself are robust here.
27:24<v Idrissa>I apologize if this was</v>
27:26covered earlier in the session, but I'm wondering,
27:29I'm interested in getting
27:30more research skills and experience.
27:34Are there many opportunities to kind of conduct research,
27:38both like by assisting faculty
27:41and as well as conducting independent research?
27:44<v ->So there is.</v>
27:45I mean, independent research is a little harder.
27:47But in terms of joining a group
27:51is definitely available to you.
27:52We've had a lot of people that have done that
27:54in varying types of ways.
27:56It depends on what your objectives are.
27:58If the objective is for you to gain skills and only skills,
28:02it's sort of easier.
28:03If your objective is to do it to make money,
28:05it's much harder.
28:06And in between, if the objective is
28:08to apply to medical school
28:10or for some other type of program in the future,
28:13that's generally easy,
28:15but you may have to spend a little more time
28:17trying to find the exactly right opportunity for you.
28:20But we've certainly had a good number of people
28:22doing research with a faculty member, both paid and unpaid.
28:29<v Idrissa>Okay, got it, thank you.</v>
28:32<v ->Yep.</v> <v ->I had a quick question.</v>
28:34So I did see, and it wasn't really touched on as much,
28:37but there were like concentrations-
28:39<v ->Yes.</v> <v ->But no one really,</v>
28:41I couldn't find any information on the webpage about.
28:43Is that optional?
28:44Or are those kind of like we do have to pick one
28:46and kind of- <v ->Oh, no, no.</v>
28:47<v ->Add that to our plan?</v> <v ->Totally optional.</v>
28:49And because our curriculum is so constraining,
28:53it can be frustrating for students.
28:54So I do not sell people on,
28:57oh, yeah, you can do even two of them.
28:59We have had students do two of them.
29:01It's not easy.
29:03There is the Global Health concentration.
29:06There is the, I think, the Regulatory Pathway still,
29:09although I'm not sure we have it right now.
29:12There is definitely the Modeling Pathway,
29:16and there's at least one more.
29:19What's the one more, Claire or Mary?
29:22<v ->I think those are the main three I can think of.</v>
29:24Oh, there's Maternal and Child Health Promotions.
29:27<v ->Yes, yeah, so there are, go ahead, Mary.</v>
29:30<v ->There's U.S. Health Justice.</v>
29:32<v ->Oh, right, that, too.</v> <v ->Is that in Pathway now?</v>
29:34Okay, good, okay. <v ->Yeah, yep.</v>
29:36<v ->So some of them are harder than others to complete</v>
29:40because the requirements are pretty narrow.
29:42And if those requirements coincide with our courses,
29:45then you're forced to take their requirements
29:48exactly this semester
29:50because there's no other time to take it.
29:52And you may find it like, you know,
29:53but I really wanted to take Real Estate Finance
29:57at the School of Management,
29:58and we want you to take whatever's gonna make you happy.
30:01We have students that have done a, what do they call it?
30:04A language something?
30:05We had a student that did-
30:07<v ->Yeah, I forget what it was called.</v>
30:09<v ->Like a language immersion, I think, or something-</v>
30:11<v ->Yeah, like a fellowship</v>
30:12where you also do language immersion, yeah.
30:14<v ->So, I mean, like there's so many different things</v>
30:17that you can do, so it's definitely not required.
30:20People definitely do them.
30:22People definitely can be frustrated by them.
30:24But we are very supportive if you wanna do them.
30:27<v ->Yeah, I think it's worth touching on that you can,</v>
30:31and students regularly do take advantage of the fact
30:34that you could do an elective at any school.
30:36So that might be the Law School.
30:41School of Management's obviously the most popular option
30:44for electives, because it's somewhere you get
30:47preferential treatment over other students
30:49to take electives, you know?
30:53But there's also the Jackson School for Global Affairs.
30:56There's students that have taken electives
30:59at the Drama School before at Yale College as well.
31:04So, you know-
31:05<v ->Didn't we have a student like TF for the Drama School?</v>
31:07Or did they stop doing that?
31:09I forget. <v ->Maybe.</v>
31:10<v ->I think we had a student last year</v>
31:12who was TF'ing for a Drama School course,
31:15and it was like getting two bangs for the buck.
31:18They weren't getting credits,
31:20but they were getting the whole experience
31:21and getting paid for it.
31:23<v ->Yeah, there's a lot of opportunities on campus</v>
31:26to take very cool courses, so keep that in mind.
31:29I think the concentrations,
31:33it really depends on what your goal is.
31:36So just know that it will come with a lot less flexibility
31:40in terms of other electives that you could take.
31:42But you could still take lots of big course options
31:45from those other concentrations.
31:48Like if you're interested in policy modeling,
31:50then you can keep taking courses from that concentration
31:54without earning the concentration fully.
31:57Keep that in mind.
32:01<v ->Oh, hey, everyone, I just wanna say thank for your time.</v>
32:04I head back to work, but- <v ->It's good seeing you.</v>
32:05<v ->I'll be here next Thursday, so.</v>
32:08<v ->Great to see you, Jesse.</v> <v ->See you then, Jesse.</v>
32:09<v ->Looking forward to seeing you in person.</v>
32:11<v ->Thank you, bye.</v> <v ->All right, anybody else?</v>
32:14Michelle, you've been quiet, but.
32:21<v ->No, I just kind of just, I prefer kind of just listening,</v>
32:24and listening to what everyone has to say, really.
32:27<v ->Totally fine, we're happy with it.</v>
32:28I just wanna make sure you feel like
32:30you can say anything you want any time.
32:34<v ->You can also email Howie and I whenever you feel like.</v>
32:36We're very accessible.
32:39<v ->We love the program.</v>
32:40We're true believers at this point.
32:42And when you're part of this family,
32:47you're part of this family.
32:48We treat you like family.
32:54All right, so I think we'll end it then.
32:56And for those of you that are able to come next week,
32:59we look forward to it.
32:59And if you're not here, just email us
33:02or we'll set up a time to talk to you.
33:04And I look forward to, hopefully, seeing all of you
33:07in person at some point.
33:10<v ->Bye, everyone; thank you, Howie and Claire.</v>
33:12<v ->Thank you.</v> <v ->Take care, bye-bye.</v>