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"Machine Learning in OSA: Dreaming Towards the Future" Miranda Tan (11/03/2021)

November 12, 2021

"Machine Learning in OSA: Dreaming Towards the Future" Miranda Tan (11/03/2021)

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  • 00:11Alright, so good afternoon everyone.
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  • 00:16I introduce our speaker today.
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  • 00:50so now it is my pleasure to
  • 00:53introduce today's seminar speaker,
  • 00:54Dr Miranda Tam.
  • 00:55Doctor Tan is the director of
  • 00:57Sleep Medicine at Memorial Sloan
  • 00:59Kettering Medical Center and
  • 01:01an instructor of medicine.
  • 01:02At Weill Cornell Medical College?
  • 01:05She received her medical degree from
  • 01:06New York College of Osteopathic
  • 01:07Medicine and then moved to New
  • 01:09Jersey for internal medicine,
  • 01:10internship and residency at Rutgers.
  • 01:13After that,
  • 01:14she served as chief resident for
  • 01:15quality and Patient safety and
  • 01:17internal medicine at Dartmouth.
  • 01:19And she completed her pulmonary and
  • 01:21critical Care Medicine Fellowship
  • 01:22at Thomas Jefferson University
  • 01:24and her Sleep Medicine Fellowship
  • 01:26at University of Pennsylvania.
  • 01:28From there she moved to Memorial
  • 01:29Sloan Kettering,
  • 01:30which she founded the Sleep Medicine
  • 01:32program within the pulmonary service,
  • 01:34and her work has led to the
  • 01:36revision of the Presurgical sleep
  • 01:38apnea screening guidelines there.
  • 01:40Plus,
  • 01:40she has established several clinical
  • 01:42patient pathways with other programs,
  • 01:44including with the male
  • 01:46sexual reproductive program,
  • 01:47the Integrative Medicine program,
  • 01:49and the bone marrow Transplant
  • 01:51Survivorship clinic,
  • 01:52among other awards that she's received,
  • 01:54she received a junior Faculty Development
  • 01:56award at Memorial Sloan Kettering.
  • 01:58She's an active member of the ATS and
  • 02:00is currently serving on a working
  • 02:02group to develop an official ATS
  • 02:03research statement regarding cancer
  • 02:05related fatigue and lung cancer.
  • 02:07She is also a member of the American
  • 02:09Academy of Sleep Medicine and a Fellow
  • 02:10of the American College of Chest Physicians.
  • 02:13Her research focuses on the
  • 02:14predictors of obstructive sleep
  • 02:15apnea and cancer patients,
  • 02:17specifically using machine learning
  • 02:18and on the prevalence and severity of
  • 02:21obstructive sleep apnea in men with
  • 02:24polycythemia on testosterone therapy.
  • 02:25She presented 4 abstracts at
  • 02:27the most recent ATS,
  • 02:28including one entitled Machine Learning
  • 02:30validated screening tool to predict
  • 02:33obstructive sleep apnea in cancer patients.
  • 02:35So we are so fortunate to have
  • 02:37Doctor Tan joins us today to
  • 02:39discuss machine learning and OSA
  • 02:41dreaming towards the future welcome.
  • 02:46Thank you for the introduction. Dr.
  • 02:48Hilbert and good afternoon everyone.
  • 02:50Thanks for tuning in.
  • 02:51I'm delighted to present my talk,
  • 02:53machine learning and OSA
  • 02:55dreaming towards the future.
  • 02:58So as the title suggests,
  • 02:59the purpose of this talk is to provide
  • 03:01an overview of machine learning and
  • 03:03discuss how we can integrate Emil to
  • 03:05improve our understanding of OSA and
  • 03:08hopefully move the needle closer towards
  • 03:10personalized medicine for our patients,
  • 03:13specifically the objectives of our
  • 03:15discussion will be to review basic
  • 03:17approaches of machine learning,
  • 03:19described potential data sources
  • 03:21for mill in obstructive sleep apnea,
  • 03:23and identify opportunities for mill in OSA.
  • 03:29As for obligatory disclosures,
  • 03:31I have none, but I can offer you
  • 03:33the code to obtain CME credit.
  • 03:35That's 28436.
  • 03:37That's again, that's 28436.
  • 03:41As for disclaimers,
  • 03:42I am not a data scientist.
  • 03:45I did some programming in college
  • 03:47where being referred to as novice
  • 03:50would be an overstatement.
  • 03:52The information I am presenting
  • 03:53to you today is to the lens of
  • 03:56a clinician with a background
  • 03:58through collaboration with data
  • 04:00scientists and computer engineers.
  • 04:02And my second disclaimer for
  • 04:03you is that this is going to be
  • 04:06a Prezi presentation format,
  • 04:07so in contrast to traditional
  • 04:10Microsoft PowerPoint,
  • 04:11this has an interactive zoom
  • 04:13which may induce nausha.
  • 04:14So sorry in advance if you
  • 04:16develop motion sickness.
  • 04:20So the applications of AI and milk
  • 04:22are ubiquitous throughout society.
  • 04:24Then say I, Netflix knows which shows to,
  • 04:27recommend to us it can redirect my
  • 04:30car when it's drifting out of lane,
  • 04:32and Alexa can understand my mumblings
  • 04:35after I've trained it to understand me
  • 04:38over the past two years. But you know,
  • 04:41before discussing the prospects for OSA,
  • 04:43we should start with some basics to ensure
  • 04:46everyone in our audience is on the same page.
  • 04:49So AI and Emily are often used
  • 04:53interchangeably similar to COPD,
  • 04:55chronic bronchitis, asthma, COPD etc.
  • 04:58Yeah, we all know there
  • 05:00are subtle differences.
  • 05:01Artificial intelligence is defined as the
  • 05:05simulation of human intelligence by machines.
  • 05:08Picture of this AI is is like this
  • 05:11large umbrella term within AI.
  • 05:13There is a machine learning machine
  • 05:16learning or the algorithms that can
  • 05:18recognize trends and patterns from data.
  • 05:23And then there's deep learning.
  • 05:25So deep learning is a subspecialized
  • 05:28form of machine learning.
  • 05:30And what it does is it is it's an
  • 05:33artificial neural network with
  • 05:35many layers to adapt and it learns
  • 05:38through complex patterns of this
  • 05:41from this high volume of data.
  • 05:43And when I say high volume,
  • 05:44I mean like 5:50, that's a lot of data.
  • 05:50So here is a rudimentary example
  • 05:53of machine learning,
  • 05:54so we can tell we can tell the machine
  • 05:57that we want to know what a dog is,
  • 05:59and then we can train it by saying
  • 06:01this is what a dog should look like.
  • 06:03And then what we do is we can
  • 06:05present a new image.
  • 06:07And then the machine can learn and say,
  • 06:08well, I think this is also a dog.
  • 06:13Then we can do.
  • 06:13Next is give this a this picture of a
  • 06:16cat and then the machine will tell us no.
  • 06:18This is not a dog.
  • 06:19It can't tell if it's a cat,
  • 06:20but it knows that this is not a dog.
  • 06:25So even though our talk is not to
  • 06:29focus on deep learning, I really do
  • 06:32think I should digress for a minute.
  • 06:34To show you this image of
  • 06:35deep learning and action.
  • 06:37This is a really hot topic in the
  • 06:39tech world and I I do think that
  • 06:41this can penetrate Sleep Medicine
  • 06:43sometime in the near future.
  • 06:45So there are two distinct differences
  • 06:48between machine learning and deep learning.
  • 06:50Although traditional machine
  • 06:52learning does not require hardcoding,
  • 06:54it does require defined features of interest,
  • 06:57such as age, race, etc.
  • 07:01Deep learning, however,
  • 07:02leverages these neural networks to
  • 07:04learn the relevant features or patterns.
  • 07:07So in deep learning,
  • 07:09the first layer not shown here may
  • 07:12just be a series of circle and dots.
  • 07:14OK, then what deep learning will
  • 07:16do is then look at the next layer.
  • 07:18So for example here on this first
  • 07:21column we have that top row that what
  • 07:23deep learning will do is look at that
  • 07:26top row and say that's a face and
  • 07:28then in the second column it'll say
  • 07:30well this could be a car and then the
  • 07:32third column could say this is an elephant.
  • 07:34And then we'll do it.
  • 07:35Apply another layer after that,
  • 07:37and then it'll start understanding
  • 07:39that while this is a face,
  • 07:41this is a car.
  • 07:43This is a chair.
  • 07:45This is my deep learning,
  • 07:47requires 5:50 amount of
  • 07:48data to make inferences,
  • 07:50whereas in machine learning this
  • 07:52can be done and performed on a
  • 07:55smaller pool of patients i.e.
  • 07:56You know 200 to 300 patients for data.
  • 08:03OK, so we Speaking of data,
  • 08:05you know what is big data right?
  • 08:08We frequently hear the term in
  • 08:11the context of AI MLDL big data,
  • 08:14it described by the 5DS.
  • 08:16That's volume velocity,
  • 08:19veracity, variety and value.
  • 08:23So volume speaks for itself.
  • 08:25You need large volumes in order
  • 08:27for it to qualify as big data.
  • 08:29Velocity speaks to the speed.
  • 08:31I wish the data is.
  • 08:33Acquired so if it takes you two years to
  • 08:36extract the data then it's not big data.
  • 08:38It should be instantaneous turnover.
  • 08:41Veracity describes the quality right?
  • 08:44So we really need good quality data,
  • 08:46so if any if I learn only one
  • 08:49thing from the data scientists
  • 08:50and engineers that we work with
  • 08:53is that garbage in garbage out.
  • 08:55If we feed the machine with bad data,
  • 08:59we are most likely going to
  • 09:01receive a poor algorithm,
  • 09:02so we really must enforce a quality data.
  • 09:06Next just as important we have variety
  • 09:09in data in order for the machine
  • 09:12to determine the best algorithm.
  • 09:14It requires an ecosystem of multiple
  • 09:17different interactions simultaneously.
  • 09:19This kind of what this kind of like
  • 09:21diverges from what we are familiar with
  • 09:23in traditional medicine where it's like OK.
  • 09:25Let's focus and hyper focus on
  • 09:27this one facet whereas this one
  • 09:30heavily relies on variety and
  • 09:32understanding multiple different
  • 09:33interactions to understand what is
  • 09:36prominent and what is significant?
  • 09:38So now I feel like I've been
  • 09:41belaboring the point of quality and
  • 09:43unfortunately loss in the term.
  • 09:45Big data is the importance of quality
  • 09:49data and the volume of data often
  • 09:52overshadows the quality of the data,
  • 09:54which is the perfect for the
  • 09:56for the poor algorithm.
  • 09:57So I really wanted to drive
  • 09:59home this point of quality data.
  • 10:02And so you'll see my akawa.
  • 10:04He is the editor in chief
  • 10:06of the Molecular Brain.
  • 10:08When my account did is that he reviewed
  • 10:10181 AI manuscripts this past year in 2020.
  • 10:1540 of them were deemed too good to be true,
  • 10:18and he questioned their authenticity and
  • 10:20what he did is he requested the raw data of
  • 10:24a of the 40 studies to assess its integrity.
  • 10:27Half were withdrawn because
  • 10:29the data couldn't be provided.
  • 10:31Of the other twenty remaining 19
  • 10:34were rejected either because of
  • 10:36insufficient raw data or the data
  • 10:39mismatched with the prediction results,
  • 10:41or the output could not be reproduced.
  • 10:44When we tested with the validation test sets,
  • 10:46so ultimately only one of the 40 were
  • 10:49accepted. So don't waste your time.
  • 10:51Just really make sure that the quality of
  • 10:53the data is is the best that you can provide.
  • 10:58OK, so now we're armed with the
  • 11:02definitions of AI, ML and DL.
  • 11:04We know what big data is and we
  • 11:07stress the need for quality data.
  • 11:09Now, how does this all work together?
  • 11:11So here's a bird's eye view
  • 11:14of the process itself.
  • 11:15So first we start with the big data,
  • 11:18either obtained via HR.
  • 11:20This could be imaging could
  • 11:22be genomic sequencing,
  • 11:24whatever have you and we input it into AI
  • 11:28UMSL and then finally we get our outcome.
  • 11:30We get the diagnostic accuracy.
  • 11:33We get prediction models.
  • 11:35We get workflow efficiency and
  • 11:38precision medicine simple enough.
  • 11:40OK, maybe not that simple,
  • 11:42so let's get a little bit more granular.
  • 11:46So how does machine learning work?
  • 11:49So Machine learns through training.
  • 11:53Training is an iterative learning
  • 11:56until the best model is found.
  • 11:59So let's say we want to predict OSA.
  • 12:02OK first, what we need to do is
  • 12:06to classify OSA via features.
  • 12:09In order to do this,
  • 12:10we will tell the machine.
  • 12:12That OSA isn't hi greater than five
  • 12:16and non OSA isn't ahi less than five?
  • 12:20And that's our label of interests
  • 12:22with the definition of interest.
  • 12:24The next thing we will do is we will feed it.
  • 12:27We will feed our machine with a variety
  • 12:30of patient characteristics such as age,
  • 12:33BMI, gender, next size, anything.
  • 12:37From there on,
  • 12:39these features will be analyzed.
  • 12:43I use that term features interchangeably
  • 12:46with patient characteristics because
  • 12:47features is a term that's used in the world.
  • 12:50So anyways,
  • 12:50these patient characteristics or
  • 12:52features will then be extracted.
  • 12:55One example of feature extraction
  • 12:57is principal component analysis,
  • 13:01principal component analysis.
  • 13:03What this does is it determines
  • 13:06what is the best fit of this feature
  • 13:09to match our label of interest.
  • 13:11So for example.
  • 13:12If we were to use PCA to extract
  • 13:15the features and create components.
  • 13:18What we will find is that maybe age
  • 13:21greater than 50 will match closely with OSA.
  • 13:24Maybe BMI greater than 35 will
  • 13:27match closely with OSA.
  • 13:29After employing this feature,
  • 13:31extraction of the most salient components,
  • 13:34then vectors are formed.
  • 13:37These vectors, what they are,
  • 13:39is really an interaction of
  • 13:41all the key components.
  • 13:43So another example is in my
  • 13:46identify an old obese man.
  • 13:48Or am I identify a post menopausal
  • 13:53woman with history of radiation
  • 13:56to the head in the neck.
  • 13:58So basically the more vectors we
  • 14:01can create based on the more data,
  • 14:03the better our algorithm will be,
  • 14:05because these vectors will then be fed
  • 14:07into the machine learning algorithm.
  • 14:10I'm at the machine learning algorithm
  • 14:12will do is it will process these vectors
  • 14:15together form clusters and then it
  • 14:17will develop the best classifier model.
  • 14:20So with this best classifier model will do?
  • 14:23Is that it'll say, well,
  • 14:25we can most likely predict OSA to this
  • 14:29maximum degree 98% using this model.
  • 14:32But we need to know that this
  • 14:34model is indeed accurate,
  • 14:35right?
  • 14:35So then what we will need to do
  • 14:38is to see if we can apply this
  • 14:41best model to actually predict
  • 14:43our desired outcome being OSA.
  • 14:46So then what we do is we give it like
  • 14:48what we call the validation set,
  • 14:50otherwise known as a test data set.
  • 14:52What this is is something unseen,
  • 14:55completely naive.
  • 14:55We feed it again to the machine
  • 14:58via data input.
  • 15:00Again,
  • 15:00the features are extracted and
  • 15:03then feature vectors are formed.
  • 15:05Then finally we want to note if
  • 15:07the predicted label is achieved.
  • 15:09If the predicted label in this
  • 15:12case OSA is achieved,
  • 15:14then we know that this is a very good.
  • 15:16Algorithm.
  • 15:21So to summarize, we start with data we
  • 15:25start first with a data training set.
  • 15:28It gets fed into the algorithm.
  • 15:29There's an evaluation,
  • 15:31and a model is formed.
  • 15:33Then we repeat with a test data set,
  • 15:35otherwise known as a validation data set,
  • 15:37and essentially it's just naive
  • 15:39information fed into the machine to
  • 15:41see if the model that we built was
  • 15:43correct in achieving our prediction.
  • 15:47So how do we know that this is not by chance?
  • 15:50How do we know that this algorithm is indeed
  • 15:53reliable outside of this one data test set?
  • 15:56Well, let me just repeat just we want
  • 15:59to make sure we have reproducibility
  • 16:01and we want to make sure that we
  • 16:03don't have what's called overfitting.
  • 16:05Overfitting is essentially.
  • 16:09Us saying that yeah,
  • 16:10this is a perfect study,
  • 16:12but only for our small cold water.
  • 16:14So the more data that we feed
  • 16:15them or test datasets to show
  • 16:17that if the prediction can again
  • 16:19be achieved and achieved then we
  • 16:21know that we're not overfitting.
  • 16:27So based on the shared
  • 16:28process of machine learning,
  • 16:29all of us can appreciate that
  • 16:32machine learning is vastly different
  • 16:34from evidence based medicine.
  • 16:36One is really not better than the other.
  • 16:38It's almost like comparing
  • 16:40apples and oranges, right?
  • 16:41But acknowledgement of the differences will
  • 16:44allow us to embrace machine learning as
  • 16:46one of our future options and Sleep Medicine.
  • 16:49So, specifically, PBM,
  • 16:51as we know, is hypothesis driven,
  • 16:53versus machine learning,
  • 16:54is data driven right?
  • 16:56EBM we have to account for confounders,
  • 17:00we have to eliminate confounders.
  • 17:01So then there's tends to be less
  • 17:03variables and a lower diversity,
  • 17:05whereas machine learning heavily
  • 17:07predicated itself on a high diversity,
  • 17:10so we need more variables
  • 17:12to sort out the noise.
  • 17:15EBM what it does is it compares groups to
  • 17:19infer causation whereas machine learning
  • 17:23relies on clustering to infer causation.
  • 17:27Next, a medium,
  • 17:28its success susceptible to bias
  • 17:31because of evidence hierarchy.
  • 17:34Whereas in machine learning
  • 17:35there is no hierarchy,
  • 17:37right?
  • 17:37So no hierarchy and we're possibly
  • 17:40eliminating the risk of bias outside
  • 17:43of the data collection process itself.
  • 17:46And then finally in EBM.
  • 17:48We have confidence in the evidence
  • 17:50with more studies and also
  • 17:54replication of the study outcome.
  • 17:57Similarly to some degree in machine
  • 18:00learning we have confidence in
  • 18:03repetition by increasing the
  • 18:04training datasets and I just
  • 18:06mentioned and then also feeding
  • 18:08it with multiple validation sets
  • 18:10to ensure that we didn't overfit.
  • 18:12So Apple and orange they're different,
  • 18:14but they're both good for you.
  • 18:18OK, so that was fun.
  • 18:20Now let's transition into
  • 18:22machine learning in OSA.
  • 18:24Here we have an English bulldog.
  • 18:26Can anyone unmute and tell me
  • 18:27why we have the English bulldog
  • 18:29as my mascot for Melon OSA?
  • 18:34Anyone?
  • 18:39OK, well I'll tell you so the bulldog
  • 18:43snores probably has sleep apnea, maybe.
  • 18:46Well, my internal machine thinks
  • 18:48I've always say every time I see
  • 18:51a bulldog because of this story.
  • 18:53And also I think of this.
  • 18:55So the the field of OSA is.
  • 18:58It's truly right for machine
  • 19:00learning algorithms and recognition.
  • 19:02It is prime for mill and possibly a
  • 19:04shoulder ahead of other subspecialties
  • 19:06due to its abundance of data sources
  • 19:08both in the medical level for the
  • 19:10patient in the form of EHR data on
  • 19:12diagnostic sleep study path data and
  • 19:15at the digital health product level for
  • 19:17the patients as a consumer in the form
  • 19:20of Fitbit and sleep apps and bed sensors.
  • 19:23So the options for data or boundless,
  • 19:26the hint of its success relies on quality
  • 19:28data collection that I've been mentioning.
  • 19:31Integration, transformation,
  • 19:32and interpretation.
  • 19:34Biostar clinicians only clean,
  • 19:37usable and meaningful data.
  • 19:38Can create value for our
  • 19:40patients in the future.
  • 19:42So what types of sleep
  • 19:43data do we have access to?
  • 19:47So here's the first class of data.
  • 19:49We have state technology, so to the non
  • 19:52sleep physicians in the audience we have
  • 19:54a polysomnogram on the left and we have
  • 19:57a home sleep apnea test on the right.
  • 20:00So the polysomnograms are very
  • 20:02rich in raw data, so here.
  • 20:05We are able to note their their neural
  • 20:07status were able to see limb movements,
  • 20:09were able to see heart rate and oxygenation,
  • 20:12but you know what?
  • 20:13We use less than half of this
  • 20:16to determine what is OS.
  • 20:17What is OSA we use the hi.
  • 20:20How much of the inside is gathered
  • 20:23from this sleep study right?
  • 20:26So the PSG itself lends itself to,
  • 20:29you know, dynamic phenotyping like why
  • 20:31can't we use symptoms in addition to the
  • 20:35raw data to help us understand more of OSA?
  • 20:38How do we subtype patients
  • 20:40based on this data?
  • 20:42I mean, if we truly think about it,
  • 20:44the the ISR,
  • 20:45like the interscore reliability,
  • 20:47it just shows us that we cannot best
  • 20:49determine what N one and two is like.
  • 20:51We need more people,
  • 20:53so why can't we just push this a
  • 20:55step forward into machine learning
  • 20:57and have the machine tell us
  • 20:59this is truly an one based on
  • 21:01all of these previous findings?
  • 21:04And even on the right we had
  • 21:06the home sleep apnea test,
  • 21:07so age sites have been accelerated into use.
  • 21:11I'd say definitely during the pandemic,
  • 21:13and even with the age that we have
  • 21:15a reasonable amount of continuous
  • 21:16data for just one night of sleep.
  • 21:21I'm in terms of.
  • 21:23You know objective long term monitoring.
  • 21:26I think we're really in a good
  • 21:28position compared to other types
  • 21:30of chronic diseases because we have
  • 21:32the ability to watch patients every
  • 21:35night and gather objective data
  • 21:37regarding their PAP compliance.
  • 21:40Also, throughout the course
  • 21:42of their chronic disease.
  • 21:43So for those that are unfamiliar,
  • 21:46here is an example of a
  • 21:48PAP compliance report.
  • 21:48Were able to determine their dates of usage,
  • 21:51their hours of usage,
  • 21:53their average pressure per night,
  • 21:55even if they had a leak there.
  • 21:57Hi, this is we have access to all of this,
  • 22:01we just need to analyze it together
  • 22:04and figure out what's most meaningful.
  • 22:10Another huge data source for
  • 22:13Sleep Medicine, particularly OSA
  • 22:16as a consumer sleep technology.
  • 22:19We are swimming in data
  • 22:21and the patients love this.
  • 22:23I can't say that all clinicians office,
  • 22:25but definitely the patients love this.
  • 22:28The most common consumer sleep tech that
  • 22:30we are probably familiar with is the Fitbit.
  • 22:33So the Fitbit on utilizes these
  • 22:36Tri axial accelerometer sensors
  • 22:38to determine like heart rate.
  • 22:41It's basically like actigraphy
  • 22:42where we uses motion sensor,
  • 22:44so it's determining like,
  • 22:46well this is activity so the patients
  • 22:49likely not sleeping at this time
  • 22:51and there are other flavors of
  • 22:53this two in terms of wearables.
  • 22:55There's also the oral ring,
  • 22:56which is the upper right.
  • 22:57Diagram.
  • 22:59And then now recently there is
  • 23:01a bin new rebels.
  • 23:02So what new rebels do is they have
  • 23:05this lower energy radar that detects
  • 23:08movement and breathing the diagram
  • 23:10to the bottom left hand corner.
  • 23:12That's the Google Nest hub.
  • 23:14So the Google Nest Hub recently
  • 23:16launched as a sleep sensing feature,
  • 23:18which estimates when you went to bed
  • 23:20when you woke up and how long you slept.
  • 23:23It can also detect sounds like
  • 23:25snoring and coughing as well
  • 23:27as environmental features such
  • 23:29as wide in room temperature.
  • 23:31What these sensors are designed to
  • 23:33do is to help assess sleep quality
  • 23:35and help identify potential causes
  • 23:37of sleep disruption in the morning.
  • 23:40The Nest Hub will show your sleep
  • 23:42summary and then the sleep data
  • 23:44syncs with Google Fit app.
  • 23:46So after learning your sleep
  • 23:48habits and patterns through AI,
  • 23:50the sleep sensing will then give
  • 23:52personalized recommendations
  • 23:53as a matter of fact,
  • 23:55Google partnered with the ASM to deliver
  • 23:58these recommendations tailored based on this,
  • 24:01the prior night's sleep.
  • 24:03So,
  • 24:03for example,
  • 24:04it might say you are not sleeping
  • 24:06this much considered going to
  • 24:08bed at a regular time each night.
  • 24:10Pretty crazy.
  • 24:13Then finally the third class
  • 24:15of data for sleep that is near
  • 24:18and dear to us all is the EHR.
  • 24:21From HR we can gather a
  • 24:24demographics socioeconomic status,
  • 24:26even comorbidities, lab data,
  • 24:29imaging, hospitalizations,
  • 24:31health care utilization,
  • 24:32self reported questionnaires,
  • 24:34and then we can multiply the data by
  • 24:36combining it with the sleep technology
  • 24:38that we previously mentioned,
  • 24:40as well as consumer sleep technology.
  • 24:44So we have all this data,
  • 24:46so here's a comprehensive summary
  • 24:48slide of all our big data sources,
  • 24:50challenges and opportunities.
  • 24:52I borrowed this from Peppin.
  • 24:56So to recap, we talked about the Patella
  • 24:58monitoring as well as a sleep study,
  • 25:01but also social media.
  • 25:02I know social media can also affect
  • 25:05sleep if you are tweeting as our former
  • 25:08president at 2:00 o'clock in the
  • 25:10morning 3:00 o'clock in the morning,
  • 25:124:00 o'clock in the morning.
  • 25:14Then most likely you are going
  • 25:15to have a sleep disturbance.
  • 25:17Now, how will this affect your
  • 25:18PAP usage if you're supposed
  • 25:19to be on C PAP for tweeting at
  • 25:203:00 o'clock in the morning?
  • 25:22This is all valuable data for
  • 25:24us to help identify patients.
  • 25:26Even before they start therapy.
  • 25:29Other things to consider.
  • 25:30The omics and I think we may have
  • 25:32mentioned and lifestyle activities so
  • 25:33we know in the sleep world that patients
  • 25:36that are more active during the day,
  • 25:37they're they're more likely to
  • 25:39get a better night's sleep.
  • 25:43And Geo localization.
  • 25:44We mentioned socioeconomic status,
  • 25:47how that can affect OSA, but then
  • 25:49also access to care or pollen counts.
  • 25:52Imagine that.
  • 25:53So now on your phone you can detect
  • 25:56what is the pollen count outside.
  • 25:58Should I bring my Flonase in the morning?
  • 26:00How will this affect OSA patients?
  • 26:03Well patients with OSA and allergic rhinitis
  • 26:06may have decreased pain here and right there,
  • 26:10congested at night.
  • 26:11They don't want to use their nasal.
  • 26:13Ask they're congested at night.
  • 26:14They can't breathe through their mask.
  • 26:15We can identify this,
  • 26:17and we can refine our therapy based on
  • 26:19what we know from all of this data,
  • 26:22and consolidating every piece together.
  • 26:28But life isn't easy, right?
  • 26:30This data is heterogeneous.
  • 26:32How do we ensure interoperability
  • 26:35of all this data?
  • 26:36So we have one Amar?
  • 26:38Why can't Sloan talk to Yale?
  • 26:40Combine our data and then
  • 26:42figure out the best solution.
  • 26:43Once the interoperability like unfortunately
  • 26:45we have Allscripts I'm not sure about Yale.
  • 26:48If you guys have Epicor,
  • 26:49Allscripts but that's always comes into
  • 26:52question interoperability also data privacy.
  • 26:55So recently Google health.
  • 26:57I think they tried to work with
  • 26:59EMR and there was a lot of
  • 27:01pushback in terms of data privacy.
  • 27:03So their project has stalled.
  • 27:07Next, we want to think about,
  • 27:08you know the the natural inherent flaws
  • 27:11of the observational studies right?
  • 27:14And then finally,
  • 27:15if we have the proper
  • 27:17infrastructures for data sharing.
  • 27:22But you know, we should definitely
  • 27:24commit to moving big data and
  • 27:26machine learning and OSA four.
  • 27:28This can really help us reshape our OSA
  • 27:31through integrated care and could help
  • 27:33us a partner with other institutions.
  • 27:36And then also maybe even use this
  • 27:38information that we learn through big data
  • 27:40and machine learning to create proper
  • 27:42risks for a therapeutic interventions.
  • 27:47And that all of this is that
  • 27:48patients so patients at the
  • 27:50center so patient centered care.
  • 27:54OK, so now that we have the data,
  • 27:56how can we make meaningful use of this
  • 27:59data so one common tool is automation.
  • 28:02Automation is basically the
  • 28:04extrication of humans and piles
  • 28:06of paper as much as possible.
  • 28:09So we can achieve this through continuous
  • 28:12remote telemonitoring and feedback messaging,
  • 28:15so that's one form of automation.
  • 28:18And this is an example of
  • 28:20it via the telly OSA trials.
  • 28:23This is crying and Co.
  • 28:24He sought to examine the
  • 28:26effects of telemedicine,
  • 28:27delivered OSA education and CPAP
  • 28:30telemonitoring with automated
  • 28:32patient feedback messaging on CPAP
  • 28:34adherence is a four armed a randomized
  • 28:37factorial design clinical trial and
  • 28:39he enrolled about 14150 patients.
  • 28:43So for all intensive purposes,
  • 28:45this figure it collapses the four
  • 28:46treatment arms into three to directly
  • 28:49compare the automated feedback messaging
  • 28:50and what he found was that here,
  • 28:52like you can't see that arrow here.
  • 28:54OK, so here what he saw is that the the
  • 28:57patients who received messaging from
  • 28:59the onset of CPAP and throughout were
  • 29:02more likely to be compliant compared to
  • 29:04those without messaging after one year.
  • 29:08This was proven to be
  • 29:10statistically significant,
  • 29:11so we learned that there's a positive impact
  • 29:13on those who receive continuous messaging.
  • 29:15Interestingly,
  • 29:16those who initially received messaging.
  • 29:20Right,
  • 29:21but they stopped after 90 days.
  • 29:24Had similar outcomes compared to
  • 29:26those who never even received a text.
  • 29:29If I were to extrapolate this
  • 29:31to my real life,
  • 29:32then I should nag my husband to
  • 29:34the dishes every day if I want
  • 29:36him to wash the dishes right?
  • 29:38So.
  • 29:40Next up, instead of you know,
  • 29:44maybe continuous remote telemonitoring.
  • 29:45What if we use self reported
  • 29:48questionnaires and link them to
  • 29:50sleep studies or appointment types?
  • 29:52How can we repair this automatically
  • 29:54to remove the paper waste and to better
  • 29:57understand our parents our patients?
  • 29:59And then finally we can consider alerts
  • 30:03based on consumer technology data.
  • 30:05So for example,
  • 30:06during the pandemic what we did
  • 30:08is we gave these little pulse
  • 30:10oximeters for our patients,
  • 30:12sent them home and we would call them.
  • 30:13We had like an army of nurses called patients
  • 30:15every day, checking in on their symptoms.
  • 30:18You know now.
  • 30:20Shouldn't we think about?
  • 30:22Advancing shouldn't we think
  • 30:24about Bluetooth technology right?
  • 30:25What about home oximeters?
  • 30:27An alarm system can be prepared,
  • 30:30and what we can do is we can be alarmed
  • 30:33every time their auction dips below 85%.
  • 30:36For example,
  • 30:37this already exists for blood pressure.
  • 30:39This already exists for glucose monitoring,
  • 30:42would it benefit the sleep apnea
  • 30:45patient to watch all of these metrics
  • 30:48while they're being treated at home?
  • 30:50Hopefully you know if we start
  • 30:52using Bluetooth technology more
  • 30:54transporting the information to a cloud,
  • 30:56automating alerts we can interact
  • 30:58with our patients better,
  • 30:59provide better feedback,
  • 31:01better engagement,
  • 31:02and hopefully better outcomes.
  • 31:07OK, let's see.
  • 31:12OK, so here is another example
  • 31:14of an integration tool HL seven.
  • 31:17OK so HL 7 otherwise known as health level 7,
  • 31:21but this is a conduit between
  • 31:24platform A and platform B.
  • 31:26In terms of Sleep Medicine,
  • 31:28it can create a bidirectional
  • 31:30passage of information of sleep
  • 31:33data and HR data and vice versa.
  • 31:36So when I was a fellow at Penn,
  • 31:38we utilized the HL 7 framework to
  • 31:41identify patients with insufficient
  • 31:43PAP usage in high risk patients,
  • 31:46commercial transport operators,
  • 31:48and also we use this data to identify
  • 31:51who had high HI despite path usage.
  • 31:54What we did is this is the prequel era.
  • 31:56By the way,
  • 31:57we generated letters not trusting
  • 32:00regenerated letters to send them to patients.
  • 32:03Then what we did is we wanted to
  • 32:05see if the patients actually called,
  • 32:06we measure call volumes to see
  • 32:08if patients actually came back
  • 32:11to clinic and to understand if
  • 32:13this affected their a clinical
  • 32:15outcomes such as blood pressure.
  • 32:17And lo and behold,
  • 32:19we found that patients with higher PAP
  • 32:21usage was linked to lower blood pressure,
  • 32:24diastolic blood pressure.
  • 32:27So this is just one example of
  • 32:28what we did a couple of years ago
  • 32:30and other things to think about.
  • 32:32Easy integration tool is a
  • 32:35population management database query.
  • 32:37You can query info and combine it
  • 32:40with general sleep diagnostics,
  • 32:42consumer health technology
  • 32:44and development algorithms to
  • 32:45predict outcomes and performance.
  • 32:52So currently at MSK we are
  • 32:55completing a study of ML and OSA.
  • 32:57So we had about 300 or 400 patients in
  • 33:00sleep clinic that referred for home sleep
  • 33:03study and we wanted to determine the
  • 33:06predictors of OSA in cancer patients.
  • 33:09The first step was do we really need
  • 33:12machine learning data scientists are
  • 33:14not cheap and can we simply use our
  • 33:17beloved logistic regression to determine
  • 33:19predictors of obstructive sleep apnea?
  • 33:22So we answered our first question by
  • 33:24testing to see if there is a linear
  • 33:28relationship between characteristics
  • 33:30otherwise known as features and OSA.
  • 33:32So the first three subplots we have here
  • 33:35depict the features scattered in 3D space.
  • 33:38What this shows us is that there's a
  • 33:42nonlinear relationship between each of
  • 33:44the features and obstructive sleep apnea.
  • 33:47So we've tried using chronic kidney
  • 33:49disease with stop bang score,
  • 33:51diabetes, all the comorbidities you
  • 33:53could think of COPD metastasis and
  • 33:57we found no linear relationship.
  • 34:01We this was an iterative process.
  • 34:02We kept feeding it more data and more data.
  • 34:05Still no relationship.
  • 34:07So I suppose we can still continue
  • 34:10with logistic regression,
  • 34:11but that would be obviously flawed
  • 34:13since we confirmed the nonlinearity of
  • 34:16features we sought to use unsupervised
  • 34:19machine learning and employed advanced
  • 34:22techniques such as PCA combined with RF,
  • 34:25so its principal component
  • 34:27analysis and random forests.
  • 34:29So the PCA,
  • 34:30what it did is it performed feature
  • 34:32extractions to determine the relevant
  • 34:35components and then these components.
  • 34:37Were processed to yield clusters or feature
  • 34:40vectors that are most relevant to our
  • 34:43population and there we have the 4th subplot,
  • 34:45the 4th.
  • 34:46So plot is a projection of the
  • 34:48features as principal components
  • 34:50in three dimensions that contribute
  • 34:52to the maximum variance of OSA.
  • 34:54We mentioned that the algorithm
  • 34:55will do is it will try to help us
  • 34:58predict OSH the best of their ability
  • 35:00based on the data that we fed it.
  • 35:02So within 93% we were able to determine
  • 35:04this within this Max variance,
  • 35:06we will have OSA.
  • 35:09And then finally the best classifier
  • 35:11was determined for subsequent datasets.
  • 35:17So I will share our preliminary findings
  • 35:19with you because you sacrificed your
  • 35:21Wednesday afternoon to join me here today.
  • 35:24So through mill we learned that the
  • 35:26strongest predictors of obstructive
  • 35:28sleep apnea and cancer patients were
  • 35:31stopping score radiation therapy to
  • 35:33the head and neck and cancer type.
  • 35:35Meaning. Specifically,
  • 35:36it was long head and neck and prostate.
  • 35:40So here is a diagram that
  • 35:42illustrates the airflow limitations
  • 35:44in obstructive sleep apnea.
  • 35:45So in figure a,
  • 35:47this is the normal sleep we have
  • 35:50air that enters through the nose
  • 35:52and then down the posterior or
  • 35:54fairings and trade into the lungs
  • 35:57and figure B is that of sleep apnea.
  • 35:59So in figure B we can see the error
  • 36:01is trying to enter through the
  • 36:03nose and then there is relaxation
  • 36:05instruction and the posterior or Franks,
  • 36:07thus causing the chronic
  • 36:10intermittent hypoxia.
  • 36:11In obstructive sleep apnea.
  • 36:13And finally,
  • 36:14in see this is a diagram of a patient who
  • 36:18received radiation to the head and neck.
  • 36:22Alright,
  • 36:22so similarly air will enter
  • 36:24through the nose and then it
  • 36:27it will counter obstruction.
  • 36:28This obstruction can be from
  • 36:30the posterior or pharynx,
  • 36:31or it can be in the form of
  • 36:33fibrosis or scarring or stenosis.
  • 36:35Even after radiation therapy.
  • 36:37So this radiation therapy
  • 36:39can increase risk for OSA or
  • 36:42exacerbate pre-existing OSA.
  • 36:48Alright, so this just goes
  • 36:49to show you our results.
  • 36:51We have 100% sensitivity and 90%
  • 36:54specificity on the PCA plus RF was
  • 36:57able to determine the Max variants
  • 36:59of OSA through clustering and
  • 37:01this was indeed superior to the
  • 37:04traditional techniques of LR or RF.
  • 37:07Individually we've said it multiple
  • 37:09tests thereafter and were able
  • 37:11to reproduce the same result
  • 37:13of OSA accurately and again.
  • 37:15This was unsupervised learning.
  • 37:20So an ML is applicable from diagnosis
  • 37:23to intervention ING to you know
  • 37:26long term monitoring, right?
  • 37:28So we tend to fixate on diagnosis,
  • 37:31but let's shift towards this
  • 37:33chronic management, right?
  • 37:34Like how do we improve compliance
  • 37:36for our patients using milk?
  • 37:38How much compliance is even necessary?
  • 37:40So we have this large advantage of the path.
  • 37:42And I think we should try to leverage
  • 37:44this in the future for studies to
  • 37:47improve management of our patients.
  • 37:49Next thing to appreciate that
  • 37:51you know the purpose of mill.
  • 37:53It's a compliment that physician
  • 37:55not replace a physician.
  • 37:56IBM Watson failed.
  • 37:58This is daily and everyones memory right.
  • 38:01But you know we just have to work with it,
  • 38:02right?
  • 38:02We have to be able to translate
  • 38:04the structured data instead of
  • 38:06something valuable and actionable
  • 38:08information for our patients.
  • 38:09And then finally, you know,
  • 38:11we should always strive for
  • 38:13aiming for clinical value,
  • 38:15establishing these maybe
  • 38:17decision support systems.
  • 38:19For future discovery.
  • 38:23So some general opportunities
  • 38:25we can redefine OSA.
  • 38:27This is clearly low hanging fruit.
  • 38:29The HI consists of Hypopneas and apneas.
  • 38:33Well, what about?
  • 38:35What about restless legs?
  • 38:36What about arousals?
  • 38:37What is it about the brain waves
  • 38:40that can affect hi and you know,
  • 38:42machine learning will help
  • 38:43us understand this better.
  • 38:45What about the ODI O2 nedir time
  • 38:47auction saturation less than 88%?
  • 38:49How does this factor into OSA?
  • 38:52And then can we combine this with clinical
  • 38:55symptoms and atrophy to understand
  • 38:57what OSA is better so that we can
  • 39:00personalize therapy for these patients?
  • 39:02There's a very large knowledge
  • 39:04gap in Sleep Medicine.
  • 39:06But we have to figure out how
  • 39:08to move forward using ML.
  • 39:10And other opportunities with the
  • 39:12proper definition of OSA treatment.
  • 39:14As I mentioned earlier,
  • 39:16Pop success is the 70%
  • 39:17compliance is very archaic.
  • 39:19We have to kind of reevaluate that
  • 39:23morbidity and mortality outcomes.
  • 39:24I think there was a jerk
  • 39:25you earlier this year.
  • 39:26That said, maybe you know,
  • 39:27treatment for OSA won't help
  • 39:29our cardiovascular patients
  • 39:30when we know in our hearts.
  • 39:31It's definitely can help some patients.
  • 39:34And how do we combine this with
  • 39:36subjective measures as well?
  • 39:37And then the personalized
  • 39:38medicine that we talked about,
  • 39:40the different.
  • 39:41Algorithms based on phenotype cluster
  • 39:43analysis and targeting clinical outcomes.
  • 39:49And then also you know health care
  • 39:53disparities is always important.
  • 39:55How do we address all the races?
  • 39:57So, for example,
  • 39:58Asian Americans and African Americans,
  • 40:02they are known to develop OSA at
  • 40:05earlier ages and at lower BMI's,
  • 40:08but they're frequently
  • 40:09being missed by their GP.
  • 40:12So how do we better address these groups?
  • 40:13And of course, women post menopausal
  • 40:15women who can develop sleep apnea
  • 40:17at the same rate at a higher age.
  • 40:18These again are.
  • 40:20Frequently going missed, and of course,
  • 40:22how do we improve access to care?
  • 40:24So one of our long term goals, right?
  • 40:27ML and OSA study is to develop a website.
  • 40:29This way we can post this algorithm so
  • 40:32you know clinicians and oncologists
  • 40:34in rural communities can adequately
  • 40:37define R OSA like sleep studies.
  • 40:39Excuse me, sleep physicians,
  • 40:41there's a dearth of us like
  • 40:43we need more clinicians,
  • 40:44but that's pretty much impossible
  • 40:45in the near future.
  • 40:46So how do we improve access to care and
  • 40:49help our colleagues that are defined OSA?
  • 40:52And then finally, you know,
  • 40:55we have to validate consumer technology,
  • 40:57right?
  • 40:57So we had to find a way to meet in
  • 40:59the middle to engage our patients.
  • 41:01And also we have to recognize that
  • 41:03OSA does not occur in isolation.
  • 41:05So we have to consider insomnia.
  • 41:07Their CBT apps like how do we work with
  • 41:10that to improve sleep apnea treatment?
  • 41:16So AI is a comment. It can be applied
  • 41:20throughout the essay journey.
  • 41:21It can start with cleaning by screening.
  • 41:23How do we improve screening based
  • 41:25on patient related features?
  • 41:27How do we improve our diagnostic testing?
  • 41:29Should we create an algorithm and
  • 41:30have it available to our colleagues?
  • 41:32How do we redefine the definition of OSA?
  • 41:35How do we improve therapy
  • 41:37like tailoring therapy?
  • 41:38Who would best be suited for
  • 41:40the oral mandibular device?
  • 41:41You know now there's an L
  • 41:44for mandibular movement.
  • 41:45At night,
  • 41:45so this way these patients may be
  • 41:47best fitted for an oral appliance
  • 41:49rather than going through straight
  • 41:51to see PAP and also for follow up,
  • 41:53can we predict those who will not
  • 41:56adhere to CPAP initially if we have
  • 41:59a patient in the middle sleeping
  • 42:01in the middle of Central Park,
  • 42:02are they less likely to be accurate
  • 42:04with PAT because they have chronic
  • 42:06allergies and then finally with
  • 42:08the longitudinal of follow up?
  • 42:10Are there ways that we can predict risk
  • 42:13of hospitalizations in our OSA patients?
  • 42:15Can we create an electric system?
  • 42:19And as mentioned earlier,
  • 42:20you know it's important to note that
  • 42:23there there should be a way where
  • 42:25this ML should not replace RTGS.
  • 42:28And could this mill help us better
  • 42:31target what RCTs are needed in the
  • 42:34future for Sleep Medicine? It's.
  • 42:38But you know, we shouldn't overshoot
  • 42:40our expectations and remember the
  • 42:43challenges of machine learning, right?
  • 42:45Realistically speaking,
  • 42:46can we have a data scientist
  • 42:49in every institution?
  • 42:51Or maybe even better yet,
  • 42:53on every medical team, maybe in the ICU?
  • 42:57Second thing is you know the academic
  • 43:00partnership with industry, right?
  • 43:01How do we you know industry is way
  • 43:04ahead of us in terms of data analytics?
  • 43:06Is there a simple way to do identify
  • 43:09and hash the data so that we can start
  • 43:12collaborating with external companies?
  • 43:14Third, democratization of data
  • 43:16from all healthcare ecosystems,
  • 43:19like we have the consumer technology.
  • 43:21How do we get access to that?
  • 43:22We have the HR data.
  • 43:23How do we get access that
  • 43:24we have all the app data?
  • 43:26How do we get access to that?
  • 43:27And then finally, you know,
  • 43:29designing prospective studies.
  • 43:30How do we improve sensitivity,
  • 43:32specificity and accuracy
  • 43:35with leveraging mill?
  • 43:40So sorry you know here.
  • 43:42I just want to close this out with the
  • 43:44artificial intelligence Sleep Medicine.
  • 43:46So GSM has noticed that you
  • 43:49know we have to address AI,
  • 43:52but it makes a point to highlight
  • 43:54that the goal of AI integration
  • 43:56should be to augment not replace
  • 43:58expert evaluation of sleep data.
  • 44:03So it's OK to be different.
  • 44:06Machine learning will not replace EBM.
  • 44:08We should use it in conjunction with it.
  • 44:11There are multiple data
  • 44:13sources for Mill and OSA.
  • 44:14Quality data will require integration,
  • 44:18transformation and clinical interpretation to
  • 44:20create a compelling value prop for AI and ML.
  • 44:24And then finally,
  • 44:25you know an animal can't solve every problem.
  • 44:28But we can start in a field such as
  • 44:31OSA that has sufficient problems.
  • 44:33To begin with and for us
  • 44:36to tackle one by one.
  • 44:38And finally, you know,
  • 44:39I hope we can empower our patients
  • 44:41with this more personalized
  • 44:43approach through continuous care.
  • 44:46And I like to close off with this.
  • 44:49I know we're all excited for ML
  • 44:50and ready to take it by storm,
  • 44:52so please do read this primer article.
  • 44:54It's by JAMA.
  • 44:55It's how to read articles that use
  • 44:57machine learning so we can identify
  • 44:59that this would be good and this
  • 45:01is considered bad garbage data.
  • 45:05And I I definitely want
  • 45:07to thank my dream team.
  • 45:09It's these are wonderful software
  • 45:11engineers and physicians that are
  • 45:13well versed in data analytics and they
  • 45:16really guided me through this process.
  • 45:20So thank you all for your time.
  • 45:22I know we have a hard stop at 3:00 PM.
  • 45:24I have my contact information
  • 45:26there on the screen tube you'd
  • 45:27like to email me and in private.
  • 45:40Thank you so much Doctor Tan,
  • 45:42that was wonderful really.
  • 45:43A great, great overview of machine
  • 45:45learning and how it applies to sleep.
  • 45:47And I agree with you.
  • 45:49I think that sleep is really an excellent.
  • 45:51You know it's the perfect field
  • 45:52'cause we have so much data and there
  • 45:54is so much that we have to learn.
  • 45:56I'm going to moderate the chat so I want
  • 45:58to see first if there's any questions in
  • 46:01the chat already that I will ask you about.
  • 46:04I have a thank you already.
  • 46:06If people want to unmute, that's
  • 46:08certainly fine to ask your own question.
  • 46:11I mean, I think you brought up a lot
  • 46:13of the great questions actually in
  • 46:14one of your final summary slides is,
  • 46:16you know there's so much opportunity.
  • 46:18But how do we get around some
  • 46:19of these issues?
  • 46:20You know the privacy issues?
  • 46:22How did different institutions
  • 46:23like ours don't talk to each other
  • 46:25and the platforms that the PAP
  • 46:26devices use don't talk to each other
  • 46:28nor do they talk to us easily.
  • 46:30What's your thought?
  • 46:31Should we be collaborating and
  • 46:33doing this together as a team?
  • 46:35Should each institution try to
  • 46:36do it its own way,
  • 46:37what how should we move forward?
  • 46:40Oh, that's a great question,
  • 46:41so you know why reinvent the wheel
  • 46:43if you're going to start the wheel,
  • 46:45I'll continue it with you, right?
  • 46:47So, for example, what we did is.
  • 46:51We just leverage Redcap,
  • 46:52so we're able to leverage all of the
  • 46:56HL seven information and then deposit
  • 46:58it into Redcap just by hashing it.
  • 47:00So there are ways to create a better
  • 47:03interface to consolidate the data,
  • 47:05so I'd say like the hard question
  • 47:08of Epic not talking to Allscripts
  • 47:10that's very difficult,
  • 47:11but an easy stepping stone be
  • 47:14identifying someone else with epic and
  • 47:16creating a platform of almost like a
  • 47:19registry of all the data to deposit.
  • 47:21And then analyze and maybe sharing
  • 47:23the cost of a data scientist.
  • 47:25Great
  • 47:26thank you doctor clear. I think.
  • 47:28I think I did. Was able to unmute
  • 47:29you if you want to ask your oh
  • 47:31OK, so let me just OK so. One
  • 47:36of the things that you pointed out,
  • 47:38and it's certainly true is that
  • 47:41consumer wearables are like taking
  • 47:43the world by storm. And and there are all
  • 47:47sorts of devices, the aura ring and you
  • 47:50mentioned some of them.
  • 47:52But a lot of the devices out there
  • 47:55we have no idea about what they do,
  • 47:59whether they are accurate and so forth.
  • 48:01And there are some devices that have
  • 48:03come out that are and more are coming
  • 48:06out that are going to be able to.
  • 48:08For example, on a ring be able
  • 48:10to measure oxygen saturation,
  • 48:12blood pressure, temperature,
  • 48:14you name it and and and it's
  • 48:17very important for that.
  • 48:19The validation data to be made available.
  • 48:23Before anybody uses it
  • 48:25for anything and and and
  • 48:27this is something that people
  • 48:29need to pay attention to.
  • 48:31Yeah, I couldn't agree with you more.
  • 48:34Unfortunately, there is this conflict
  • 48:35of interest by these companies that are
  • 48:37creating these consumer technologies.
  • 48:39They're almost like praying on
  • 48:41the patients like little pariahs.
  • 48:43Yeah yeah, they're just like OK.
  • 48:44This will generate a lot of revenue
  • 48:46and they almost don't care how.
  • 48:48Like if it's proper if it's appropriate,
  • 48:51because then if they did,
  • 48:52they'll need FDA approval,
  • 48:54which creates many obstacles more time,
  • 48:56more money.
  • 48:57So I'm wondering if there's a way that
  • 48:59we can almost meet in the middle and.
  • 49:02They want to work.
  • 49:03Google Nest Hub did with the ASM because
  • 49:05Google could have easily said, OK,
  • 49:07you're having this sleep disturbance.
  • 49:09Try drinking chamomile tea at night,
  • 49:12but instead what it did is
  • 49:13it tried to partner?
  • 49:14You know there's a valid attempt.
  • 49:16It tried to partner with the ASM
  • 49:18to say to deliver like proper sleep
  • 49:21hygiene based on external factors.
  • 49:23So something as consistent something
  • 49:25as simple as consistent sleep
  • 49:27times which we all know will
  • 49:29help improve insomnia and sleep.
  • 49:31So that's something that I think
  • 49:32that's a good stepping stone.
  • 49:33But I couldn't agree with you more that
  • 49:35there's no way that we can control
  • 49:37this wrath of consumer technology.
  • 49:43Great thank you. Other
  • 49:44questions from the audience.
  • 49:46If you'd like me to unmute
  • 49:47just if you send me a message,
  • 49:49I can do that for you or otherwise if
  • 49:51you type your question in the chat,
  • 49:52I'd be happy to ask it.
  • 50:07The question.
  • 50:14Our team is unusually quiet today.
  • 50:16I think you answered probably
  • 50:19everyone's questions.
  • 50:19I think it was terrific.
  • 50:23I'm just looking to see that there
  • 50:25was a question about how this
  • 50:27is different from discriminant
  • 50:29analysis or factor analysis.
  • 50:31How does machine learning
  • 50:32different from that differ from
  • 50:34that that type of analysis?
  • 50:36Any plots there
  • 50:37now? Sorry, I don't quite know. Yeah,
  • 50:40OK, you did specifically say that at
  • 50:42the beginning you give a disclaimer,
  • 50:43so that seems like a tough one.
  • 50:46So what's your next step
  • 50:48in your in your project?
  • 50:50So I think that's really interesting
  • 50:52that that that radiation therapy
  • 50:54you know is a potential risk factor.
  • 50:59So you're obviously gonna publish that.
  • 51:01Where are you going to go from
  • 51:02here with that? Would that work?
  • 51:05Thank you, that's a great question.
  • 51:06So I do want to establish a site so you
  • 51:09know right now we we use a stopping,
  • 51:11but there are times in
  • 51:13the stopping is imperfect.
  • 51:14It's a simple measure,
  • 51:15but I I think the best step is to find
  • 51:18like designate a website and then have
  • 51:21this algorithm available for kind of
  • 51:23like a scoring tool that clinicians
  • 51:25can use an input for their cancer patients.
  • 51:28And I've spoken to a lot of oncologists
  • 51:30and just being at Sloan Kettering
  • 51:31and they find that sleep disturbances
  • 51:33are highly prevalent in their group.
  • 51:35And now they're coming to realize that maybe
  • 51:38insomnia isn't just related to their disease.
  • 51:40It could be,
  • 51:41but there are other disorders
  • 51:42that they can consider,
  • 51:43but they just don't have that access.
  • 51:46So something as basic as sleep apnea
  • 51:48that they can think about,
  • 51:50especially if their patient had radiation
  • 51:52to the head and neck or other patient,
  • 51:54was obese.
  • 51:55And but they're just not quite sure
  • 51:56they can just easily use this tool.
  • 51:59Terrific, I think that's wonderful.
  • 52:01Thank you. Alright.
  • 52:04So if we don't have other
  • 52:06questions from our group,
  • 52:07I'm just gonna thank you for a
  • 52:08really terrific presentation.
  • 52:09It was really wonderful and I'm sure
  • 52:12you'll get some other questions.
  • 52:13As with your email,
  • 52:14probably some private questions
  • 52:15about how to set up some of these
  • 52:17interfaces and how to actually do
  • 52:19things on a on a nuts and bolts basis,
  • 52:21but thank you so much for your time.
  • 52:22Really appreciate it.
  • 52:24Take care. Bye bye.
  • 52:28Bye bye everybody. Thank you.