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Fireside Trainin': What Our Ancestors Taught Us About Pathways To Intergenerational Black Healing

November 09, 2022
  • 00:13Pleasure to welcome you to
  • 00:14a very special grand round series.
  • 00:16This is the first in our trainee led
  • 00:20Grand Rounds series for this year
  • 00:22and I'd like to start by thanking
  • 00:24Stephanie Salazar and all of the
  • 00:26social work fellows for the thought
  • 00:27and time that they put in to
  • 00:29creating this wonderful event and
  • 00:31for inviting such a fantastic speaker.
  • 00:33Dr. Henderson, we're delighted
  • 00:34to have you with us today. And now
  • 00:36just before we get started,
  • 00:37a quick announcement that next week
  • 00:39we'll welcome Dr. Joe Ledoux for
  • 00:41an in person grand rounds again.
  • 00:42We'll be here
  • 00:43in the Cohen. Join us if you can in
  • 00:46person or please join us at via zoom
  • 00:48as we continue our hybrid event.
  • 00:50Dr. Ledoux will be talking
  • 00:51about how our brain encodes and
  • 00:54stores information about danger.
  • 00:56And so without any further ado,
  • 00:58I'd like to welcome
  • 00:59Stephanie to get us started for today.
  • 01:04Thank you so much, Kieran.
  • 01:05Can you all hear me OK?
  • 01:08The social work fellows are so
  • 01:10delighted to invite Doctor Zuleika Rugo
  • 01:12Henderson to this year's grand rounds.
  • 01:15Dr Henderson holds a doctorate in social
  • 01:17work from Howard University and is a
  • 01:19licensed master level social worker.
  • 01:20She's the founding director of the
  • 01:23Center for Blackwell Being CBW,
  • 01:25an organization reimagining mental health
  • 01:27service delivery for black people.
  • 01:29She was previously a lecturer at the
  • 01:31Columbia University School of Social Work,
  • 01:33where I was lucky enough to take.
  • 01:34Whatever courses she focused her research
  • 01:36and scholarship on the intersections
  • 01:38of ancestral healing practices,
  • 01:40trauma, and pathways to Wellness.
  • 01:42Inspired by her commitments,
  • 01:44intergenerational healing and well-being
  • 01:46for people of African ancestry,
  • 01:48Doctor Henderson translated insights
  • 01:49from her research, practice,
  • 01:51and personal experiences into the
  • 01:53development of CVW, a healing centered,
  • 01:56culturally rooted collective practice
  • 01:58that works with individuals,
  • 01:59communities,
  • 02:00and organizations to create and sustain
  • 02:03the conditions that support Wellness.
  • 02:054 black people Doctor Henderson,
  • 02:07we are so happy that you here
  • 02:08and that you could join us.
  • 02:09I hope you feel welcomed and we
  • 02:10look forward to your discussion.
  • 02:25Their ancestors.
  • 02:29And my silent thoughts.
  • 02:31I hear the distant wailing of your cries.
  • 02:35And my body, I feel the burden of your tears.
  • 02:40I too would never have wanted
  • 02:43to be ripped away from home.
  • 02:46All those centuries have gone,
  • 02:47our spirits still harmonized and hurt.
  • 02:50We nurture our babies with those same wounds.
  • 02:53As the legacy of that pain persists,
  • 02:56it often feels as though our souls have died.
  • 03:01Sometimes I wish I could have bottled
  • 03:03the antidote for that kind of agony,
  • 03:05secretly sent the cure back in time
  • 03:08over those Atlantic shores so that
  • 03:10my Mama would not have inherited
  • 03:11the remnants of that anguish,
  • 03:13and none of us kids would have had to watch
  • 03:16this cycle of terror with our own eyes.
  • 03:18Better yet.
  • 03:20I wish I could have intercepted
  • 03:23the original blows.
  • 03:25Made duds of every weapon of subjugation
  • 03:27violently launched by our oppressors so
  • 03:30that toxic venom wouldn't be embedded
  • 03:32in the DNA of their successors,
  • 03:34who to this day ensure that in addition
  • 03:37to carrying your pain in my blood,
  • 03:39I also know the direct sting of my own.
  • 03:44Apparently I can't depend on
  • 03:45them to cease firing. So so you.
  • 03:48You felt like my only hope.
  • 03:52To be honest,
  • 03:53I really did try to start with begging Mama.
  • 03:56I pleaded with her to care for her injuries,
  • 03:58to bandage those wounds that
  • 04:00Granddad left in her body memory,
  • 04:02but her eyes just seemed to keep
  • 04:04telling me that she can't do.
  • 04:07What?
  • 04:07She don't know.
  • 04:10Grandma's eyes had the same testimony.
  • 04:13So I came here.
  • 04:16Originally because I needed you
  • 04:18to know so that she could do so,
  • 04:22that I can make sure that they
  • 04:24don't get dragged onto the field
  • 04:26to fight my battles when they
  • 04:27are facing a war of their own.
  • 04:31But on the way I found a
  • 04:33stack of your narratives.
  • 04:35I must have rummaged through
  • 04:36volumes of your words,
  • 04:37trying to find the blueprint to bring
  • 04:40back to show Mama and them. Instead.
  • 04:43In those pages, I find evidence of
  • 04:45how hard you fought to protect us.
  • 04:48How you persevered under conditions I could
  • 04:51not have imagined to endure because of that.
  • 04:55We survived. Because of that.
  • 04:59I hate the fact that I even had
  • 05:01to come back here desperate,
  • 05:03desperately pleading for even more
  • 05:05bravery than you have already shown.
  • 05:07So I borrowed your prayers for my trip home.
  • 05:11When I called out to God with this dilemma,
  • 05:13she reminded me that your story is far more
  • 05:15than the transfer of pain, and that this.
  • 05:19This is just my leg of the journey.
  • 05:22When you found out that they were
  • 05:24in route to destroy your body,
  • 05:26you planted these seeds way
  • 05:28deep inside of me.
  • 05:30My mission is the realization of your faith.
  • 05:34This desire for healing has roots that
  • 05:37are directly connected to your heart.
  • 05:39And Mom was too.
  • 05:42Now that I understand,
  • 05:43I had to stop back by to leave
  • 05:46gratitude on this altar for your fire.
  • 05:48I will honor it. I will embody it.
  • 05:53I will pass it on.
  • 05:56With love.
  • 05:57Your great, great, great granddaughter.
  • 06:01Welcome everybody.
  • 06:09I will share my screen.
  • 06:15But I start today with that
  • 06:19poem as an offering. Each.
  • 06:21Segment of it captures a different
  • 06:24layer of my journey, all parts of.
  • 06:28The reason why I am here today,
  • 06:32invited to talk to you about something
  • 06:35that I just feel like is the reason
  • 06:38why I'm on this earth healing. And.
  • 06:41In that piece, you'll see the journey.
  • 06:44I actually shared this piece of a few years
  • 06:46ago when I was invited to give a keynote
  • 06:49for a black student graduation at Columbia.
  • 06:51And it was a different piece.
  • 06:53And at that time it was a different piece
  • 06:57from when I had written it years before.
  • 07:00And what I discovered is that.
  • 07:02In writing it,
  • 07:04it was a manifestation of
  • 07:07some internalized oppression.
  • 07:09What I had grown to do was to look
  • 07:11up at those who raised me and start
  • 07:14asking questions with the stank.
  • 07:16Face a judgment like why didn't y'all?
  • 07:19How come you didn't? Why you ain't got?
  • 07:23Because if you would have did this,
  • 07:24then I would have.
  • 07:27The way that that history was alive in me,
  • 07:31it invited me to look up at those who
  • 07:35invested and sacrificed for me to be real.
  • 07:38To stare in the face of the things that
  • 07:40I thought were shortcomings for them.
  • 07:43And to look at them with
  • 07:45the face of judgment.
  • 07:46Essay because y'all didn't do.
  • 07:49I'm carrying. So before I do anything.
  • 07:55I remember. To go back humbly.
  • 08:00To revisit the faces of those folks.
  • 08:04My father dimani,
  • 08:06my grandmother Gloria,
  • 08:08my other grandmother Ruby may,
  • 08:10and my grandfather but Owens.
  • 08:13All who I ancest is now.
  • 08:16But there was some reworking that I had to
  • 08:18do in my relationship and my understanding.
  • 08:21Every choice that they made,
  • 08:23every tear that they cried,
  • 08:25every seed that they sold was
  • 08:27all poured into the soil.
  • 08:28That is the foundation of who I am.
  • 08:31So I don't go anywhere without giving thanks.
  • 08:35I also don't go anywhere without
  • 08:38reminding that I am doctor Zuleika Rugolo,
  • 08:41Clinton Henderson.
  • 08:42The Rugolo is in the middle there.
  • 08:45The way we do back home is that
  • 08:47family get excited and they'll merge
  • 08:49the names of some family members.
  • 08:51And so I get to be called.
  • 08:54And every time I say my name,
  • 08:55I get to bring forth my grandmothers
  • 08:58Ruby Mae and Gloria. So I greet you.
  • 09:00As the Lake Arlo Henderson
  • 09:02from East New York, Brooklyn.
  • 09:05Is excited to be here with you all
  • 09:08to share about this journey of of
  • 09:10healing and the creation of the
  • 09:12sense of for black well-being.
  • 09:14Take a breath for me in this room
  • 09:16and in whatever rooms that you're
  • 09:17in on the zoom screen,
  • 09:19bring some life into this room.
  • 09:22How you doing? How you feeling?
  • 09:25What's present for you?
  • 09:30Connect with it for a second.
  • 09:35Are there people? Who you might just
  • 09:39give a thought or breath to as they
  • 09:41played integral roles in your own.
  • 09:43Well, presence in your well-being
  • 09:45journey bring them into the space.
  • 09:51Breathe out anything that
  • 09:52you might need to let go.
  • 09:58And if you there's anything that you
  • 10:00learn about Zuleyka from Brooklyn,
  • 10:01this thing just going to be
  • 10:03Zuleika from Brooklyn talking.
  • 10:04So I hope you're ready we presented today.
  • 10:10So. Much of that work, much of my work
  • 10:14and much of my story of growing up,
  • 10:16and I often describe that something
  • 10:20that I've grown to accept as a part
  • 10:22of a gifting is to have sensitivities
  • 10:25to other people's feelings and often
  • 10:27sensitivity to other people suffering.
  • 10:30And so because I could walk into a
  • 10:32room and be like, oh, I could feel,
  • 10:34I could sense that from young.
  • 10:37I feel like those were some of the
  • 10:40seeds that created the foundation.
  • 10:42You are healing to be such an
  • 10:44important part of my life journey.
  • 10:46And one of the things that you know,
  • 10:49we'll look closely at is,
  • 10:51Umm, I did many things,
  • 10:53but one of the more recent things
  • 10:55that I did was just to ask the
  • 10:58question of what did our ancestors do?
  • 11:00How were they healing?
  • 11:02And so before getting started,
  • 11:04it looks like it'll be really small.
  • 11:06So I'll read it aloud. Sorry about that.
  • 11:08And then you can feel free to
  • 11:09get up and walk to a screen.
  • 11:11But I want us to engage in the beginning.
  • 11:14I read off the four quotes that came
  • 11:17from the research that I'll talk about
  • 11:19later and I'll ask you to just identify
  • 11:21one that most resonates with with you.
  • 11:24It doesn't have to resonate because you
  • 11:26feel like you agree with what it says.
  • 11:27Maybe it's sparking a question,
  • 11:29an inquiry,
  • 11:30maybe it maybe like some kind of reaction,
  • 11:33but I'll read them aloud.
  • 11:35I'll ask you to identify one that
  • 11:38you know lands for some reason and
  • 11:40then just take about a minute with
  • 11:42the person who's next to you and.
  • 11:45Identify the one that you've
  • 11:47chosen and then just say a little
  • 11:49bit about how it's spoken to you.
  • 11:51So top left.
  • 11:54Enslaved women attempted to preserve
  • 11:57family well-being by teaching
  • 11:59children the meaning of signs,
  • 12:01signs in nature.
  • 12:02And human behavior conveyed the threat
  • 12:05of death, the meaning of dreams,
  • 12:08importance of future interactions
  • 12:10with neighbors and enemies.
  • 12:12Within a sacred vision of health,
  • 12:14signs served as remedies against
  • 12:17misfortune alongside herbal medicines.
  • 12:20We'll call that number 1 #2 top right.
  • 12:26Mama with doctor on me with tea and
  • 12:29grease made from weeds and marrow bones.
  • 12:32My mother looked after most of us
  • 12:33when we were sick. She used roots,
  • 12:36herbs and grease and medicine.
  • 12:38The overseer got in town,
  • 12:40but my mother got through rubbing you.
  • 12:42You would soon be well.
  • 12:45We'll call that number 2.
  • 12:48#3 bottom left.
  • 12:49By reading the movements or
  • 12:51alignments of coffee grounds,
  • 12:53cards, bones, and other materials,
  • 12:56the divine or discerned information to help
  • 12:59an afflicted person pursue, pursue a cure.
  • 13:02We'll call that #3.
  • 13:05And #4 and bottom right.
  • 13:07In time of illness or other trouble,
  • 13:10fellow enslaved would turn in and help out.
  • 13:14Men and women aided the afflicted
  • 13:16person through different types of work.
  • 13:18Nobody was left to suffer alone.
  • 13:21And all this loving care
  • 13:23cheered up the troubled soul,
  • 13:24whether he got well or died.
  • 13:27We'll call that #4.
  • 13:28So just a few minutes,
  • 13:30and if you would, let's take a minute.
  • 13:33If you need to get closer to
  • 13:35the screen to locate one,
  • 13:37identify one that resonates with you.
  • 13:39And then I'll ask that you go back to your
  • 13:41seat with whatever you get in a minute,
  • 13:43and then just talk to who's next
  • 13:45to you about what came up for you,
  • 13:47and then we'll come back together.
  • 13:49Cool. All right. And feel free on zoom.
  • 13:54If you feel move to add it in the
  • 13:56chat you can do that as well.
  • 13:58OK.
  • 14:04See.
  • 14:07If you can see, this is what this
  • 14:09is what working with narratives did
  • 14:12to me too right to get you going.
  • 14:15So feel free to finish
  • 14:17whatever thought is happening.
  • 14:21But did you?
  • 14:25Feel the energy that filled the room.
  • 14:29Everybody was able to maybe locate something,
  • 14:33maybe because you were asked to,
  • 14:35but the volume I've taught in
  • 14:37classrooms when people don't really
  • 14:38feel like answering it, be real quiet.
  • 14:43So anybody have anything,
  • 14:45one or two people that you
  • 14:47really feel moved to share?
  • 14:50Yeah. Despite your action.
  • 14:54There were always something
  • 14:56that when you got sick,
  • 14:57whether with the healer or so forth,
  • 15:00for example, cognitively.
  • 15:07I'm sorry. All you had to do is cough
  • 15:09or sniff and immediately someones jammed
  • 15:12down your throat and so let's see.
  • 15:15So I'm 59 now so that was about and
  • 15:18probably 9 or 10 and so even now I
  • 15:21still do those things like you hear
  • 15:23my voice now and so having finally
  • 15:26getting COVID and still lingering cough.
  • 15:29So mixtures of cranberry juice,
  • 15:31honey, apple cider vinegar.
  • 15:33And so I that follows through
  • 15:35with my grandchildren.
  • 15:36If you come over the house and you're sick,
  • 15:38then you're going to get
  • 15:40something jammed down your throat.
  • 15:42And so that resonates because
  • 15:44it means we need you to you.
  • 15:46We need you to be well emotionally
  • 15:48and psychologically.
  • 15:49And so even listening to you,
  • 15:50when you first started,
  • 15:51we all had that experience.
  • 15:53Like, I'm a little bit older
  • 15:54than you was like, well,
  • 15:55why didn't you do this?
  • 15:56And then as we grow older,
  • 15:58we understand that we were limited
  • 16:00because of the systemic racism.
  • 16:01So it's very powerful.
  • 16:04One years old and when you said color
  • 16:07oral at tasted it in my mouth immediately
  • 16:10and I was like but it is what it is
  • 16:13it is what was happening whether your
  • 16:15stomach hurt or your throat whatever
  • 16:18you was getting so sweet thank you for
  • 16:21sharing that and I'm I'm also checking
  • 16:23the chat so you are not forgotten
  • 16:25on zoom anybody else had anything
  • 16:27that you really wanted to share.
  • 16:33Sweet.
  • 16:41John Jackson, an elderly man,
  • 16:43recalled his boyhood in slavery.
  • 16:46You know, they laid the heap of
  • 16:48stress on education these days.
  • 16:50But education is one thing,
  • 16:52and fireside training is another.
  • 16:54We had fireside training.
  • 16:57Jackson's act frase conveys the process
  • 17:00of learning from enslaved elders after
  • 17:02the Sun had set on the day's work.
  • 17:05Here's why. Elder Jackson's.
  • 17:07Quote really sent the whole
  • 17:10vibration through my body.
  • 17:13The idea of fireside training meant
  • 17:15that our ancestors were intentionally,
  • 17:18in the context that they were in,
  • 17:20intentionally carving out time to
  • 17:22say whatever healing gifts I have.
  • 17:24I'm going to pass them on to
  • 17:26you so that you know how.
  • 17:27So we could be in the room today
  • 17:30talking about cod liver liberal.
  • 17:32Right, so while we get.
  • 17:35A range of stories about what
  • 17:38happened during that form of
  • 17:40mass group trauma historically,
  • 17:41and talk about a lot about how that
  • 17:44led to the transference of pain.
  • 17:46When I read these words and I was like,
  • 17:48oh,
  • 17:49they was intentionally carving
  • 17:51out space for healing,
  • 17:52and not only for them in that time,
  • 17:55but they were intentionally
  • 17:56creating pathways to pass that on.
  • 17:59So that we could have those things
  • 18:01and there was something about the
  • 18:04intentional transfer of knowledge
  • 18:06that meant that they had faith
  • 18:09in the fact that what they knew.
  • 18:11Will contribute to healing for generations
  • 18:13of people who were not even there.
  • 18:15At that time.
  • 18:17Fireside training was huge for me.
  • 18:20It meant that there was a
  • 18:21trail that I need to go back.
  • 18:23And follow.
  • 18:24It meant that there was more than
  • 18:26some kind of transference of pain,
  • 18:29which I was so grateful for,
  • 18:30historical trauma theory in my
  • 18:32early doctoral studies because
  • 18:34it gave me an important lens.
  • 18:35It affirmed some things.
  • 18:37It actually helped me transfer that blame
  • 18:40and that judgment into the right place.
  • 18:43Right?
  • 18:44And so I was so grateful
  • 18:45for having that framing,
  • 18:47that understanding.
  • 18:48But there was something about
  • 18:50knowing that healing was being
  • 18:53transferred to that was so crucial.
  • 18:56For my own healing journey,
  • 18:59my relationships not only with my
  • 19:00family members, but but with myself.
  • 19:02And so this very fact of fireside
  • 19:04training was something that
  • 19:06inspired me to go on the journey.
  • 19:08So in the poem,
  • 19:09when I talk about going back and
  • 19:11rummaging through their narratives,
  • 19:12I was trying to follow.
  • 19:14I was like, oh,
  • 19:15you were intentionally
  • 19:17leaving information for me,
  • 19:18original instructions.
  • 19:19So I wanted to know,
  • 19:22I wanted to get closer.
  • 19:24I wanted to answer the question
  • 19:26what did our ancestors teach
  • 19:27us about healing our past,
  • 19:29present and future?
  • 19:32So again the journey was with
  • 19:35historical trauma theory was so
  • 19:38instrumental to this work, right?
  • 19:41So being able to have this framing to
  • 19:43say Oh no it it wasn't just a first
  • 19:46generation of people transferring some
  • 19:48trauma response to the second generation
  • 19:51without some other things happening,
  • 19:54right that the the existence of not only.
  • 19:58Current or real time acts of terror,
  • 20:01but also the systematic and structural
  • 20:03transference of those things.
  • 20:05That was the reason why we was passing
  • 20:07on trauma responses in the 1st place.
  • 20:09Don't forget that that part of the story,
  • 20:12right so strong historical
  • 20:14trauma was real for me.
  • 20:16For each person in my family,
  • 20:17I got to have a map to be
  • 20:19able to locate some things.
  • 20:20Oh. That's why grandad.
  • 20:23That might be where that came from.
  • 20:27So following this journey it gave me
  • 20:29an important framing for being able
  • 20:31to see and also to hold space with
  • 20:33the people that I was working with
  • 20:35as a clinician and therapy, right.
  • 20:37Being able to offer a sometimes an
  • 20:40expanded view of the things that we feel
  • 20:43up and up close and personally right,
  • 20:46to offer new language,
  • 20:47to offer new framing,
  • 20:49to offer insight into that I am not damaged.
  • 20:55So reading the work of Doctor
  • 20:58Maria Yellowhorse Braveheart and
  • 21:00finding this conceptual model of
  • 21:02historical trauma was important.
  • 21:04In that way, it helped to make
  • 21:06sure that we weren't telling some
  • 21:08a historical story of black folks.
  • 21:11It helped to make sure that we
  • 21:12weren't acting like, oh, you.
  • 21:14It's just in your DNA to be less there.
  • 21:17It's because of your makeup that
  • 21:18you have more health disparities.
  • 21:20Oh no. Right.
  • 21:22So that level of affirmation
  • 21:25and accountability was huge.
  • 21:27What I discovered though,
  • 21:29was that in the center.
  • 21:32Is that triangle that takes up
  • 21:34less space than most other things
  • 21:37on the map where it talks about
  • 21:41resilience and protective factors.
  • 21:43I'm so glad that they were there,
  • 21:46but Elder Jackson and fire started
  • 21:48training and that energy made me want
  • 21:50to take a deep dive into that triangle.
  • 21:53What was happening in the story of
  • 21:56resilience and protective factors?
  • 21:58Well, what was there?
  • 22:01To me,
  • 22:01the best way to do that was to not just
  • 22:04search for other contemporary models,
  • 22:06but to go and hear the words of my ancestors.
  • 22:10What would they say,
  • 22:11and who were they being?
  • 22:12What were they doing?
  • 22:14So my colleagues and I wanted to find
  • 22:18a way to get into that triangle,
  • 22:21and we wanted to do it again through hearing
  • 22:24the voices of those who came before us.
  • 22:27And so we decided that we were going to
  • 22:29search for narratives that could say,
  • 22:32you know,
  • 22:32share with us what was happening
  • 22:34in the world of healing.
  • 22:35What was the language that we had?
  • 22:38Around that,
  • 22:39what were the world's that
  • 22:41we created around healing?
  • 22:46So we did a study and thank you.
  • 22:50Part of the invitation was letting me know
  • 22:54that many of you have found that article.
  • 22:57So conceptualizing healing through
  • 22:59the African American experience
  • 23:00of historical trauma is that
  • 23:02article that shares these findings.
  • 23:04And So what we did is we asked
  • 23:07what were the practices,
  • 23:09strategies and roles that our ancestors.
  • 23:13Uh other uh implemented or the
  • 23:15roles that they the positions that
  • 23:17they were in and what were the
  • 23:19ways that they preserved those
  • 23:21practices and strategies as well.
  • 23:23And so we found a text Sharla
  • 23:27Fett's work on health and healing.
  • 23:30Which is also here.
  • 23:35I'll show you.
  • 23:36But on southern plantations,
  • 23:38what was helpful is that that that
  • 23:41they had already done an exploration
  • 23:44of finding some artifacts inside,
  • 23:47finding some data about healing
  • 23:49on southern plantations.
  • 23:50And so while we definitely are
  • 23:52excited to do some primary research,
  • 23:55what felt very primary about it
  • 23:57was that we got to actually look at
  • 24:00and engage with the words as people
  • 24:02in these bodies and to discover.
  • 24:05Maybe different angles or or
  • 24:06new elements of what was there.
  • 24:09And So what we found is that in
  • 24:11terms of roles on these plantations,
  • 24:14there were those of our ancestors who sold,
  • 24:17served in the roles of healers
  • 24:18and those who served in the roles
  • 24:20of seekers of healing.
  • 24:21And they weren't discreet, right.
  • 24:23So in one situation you might have
  • 24:25been somebody seeking healing
  • 24:26and another you might have been
  • 24:29somebody performing healing.
  • 24:30And so we kept following and
  • 24:32through looking at, you know,
  • 24:34what they expressed and.
  • 24:35Uh, the evidence and the examples,
  • 24:37what were they doing?
  • 24:38Right?
  • 24:39And so we came up with these findings
  • 24:42in terms of the seekers of healing,
  • 24:45we felt discovered that there was a
  • 24:47part of their healing practice that was
  • 24:49about figuring out what to do, right?
  • 24:51So before engaging in some healing,
  • 24:53you would see exchanges between
  • 24:55them and saying, oh,
  • 24:57I need to go and consult with a conjurer,
  • 25:00a diviner,
  • 25:00a healer in the community so that they
  • 25:03could tell me what to do to pursue a cure.
  • 25:06So this step of figuring out
  • 25:08what to do was essential,
  • 25:10fighting back and resisting.
  • 25:11So healing was also about, oh,
  • 25:13we about to transform the conditions.
  • 25:15That's creating distress and
  • 25:17despair in the 1st place.
  • 25:18So oh,
  • 25:19you are a healer who gets to
  • 25:22travel to other plantations that
  • 25:25go you tell them what's about
  • 25:27to go down or they trust you on
  • 25:30the the plantation as the nurse.
  • 25:32So you get to share information
  • 25:35and strategically.
  • 25:36Evaluate their knowledge and then
  • 25:39decide how to use that wisely in
  • 25:42order to create an outlet for relief,
  • 25:44right?
  • 25:45So fighting back and resisting,
  • 25:47seeking relief,
  • 25:48addressing and confronting pain.
  • 25:50So back to the cod liver roll.
  • 25:52So there were many stories about
  • 25:55being led to into the forest and
  • 25:57like figuring out what herbs to
  • 25:59pick right and then taking those
  • 26:01to address to create healing,
  • 26:03enduring and pushing through.
  • 26:06So sometimes.
  • 26:07It was just tapping into this cognitive
  • 26:09space that they were able to curate.
  • 26:11That was a protected space.
  • 26:12And I was like, all right,
  • 26:13I know what's happening in front of me.
  • 26:15I know the constraints that are imposed.
  • 26:18But there is a world inside that
  • 26:20ain't nobody got access to.
  • 26:22So while I'm being threatened with violence,
  • 26:25while I'm being dehumanized, oh,
  • 26:27the part of me that knows fully who I am.
  • 26:30So being able to retreat into that
  • 26:32space was an essential part of healing.
  • 26:35And then again for the.
  • 26:37Healers.
  • 26:37So the overlap was in figuring out what to
  • 26:40do. So even if you are a healer,
  • 26:42you might be engaging with spiritual
  • 26:44guides about what information to now
  • 26:47share with the person who is the seeker of
  • 26:49healing accessing original instructions.
  • 26:51So many of the narratives talk about
  • 26:54having an African born parent who said
  • 26:57do this and now I'm following that.
  • 26:59And so though that was a pattern of. Use it.
  • 27:03Relying on those original instructions
  • 27:06to figure out your path for healing,
  • 27:08fighting back and resisting in ways that
  • 27:10we would describe performing healing.
  • 27:12So sitting by the sick bed of someone
  • 27:15sourcing the land and creating medicine,
  • 27:18standing in the gap and holding
  • 27:20each other in love.
  • 27:21So sometimes it was just holding space,
  • 27:23being there. Words weren't necessary,
  • 27:25but the description of, you know,
  • 27:27being able to to to be there while
  • 27:30somebody was on their sick bed performing.
  • 27:32Past that, they weren't able to do not
  • 27:35just the expected test on plantation life,
  • 27:37but you not going to be able to
  • 27:39look out for your baby or you know,
  • 27:41this person and so that wasn't a critical
  • 27:44part of creating space for healing.
  • 27:46And then lastly,
  • 27:47laying the foundation for
  • 27:49intergenerational healing and well-being.
  • 27:50So again, going back to Elder Jackson,
  • 27:53it was like, oh.
  • 27:54They weren't just like, oh,
  • 27:55this is what's going to get
  • 27:57us through right now.
  • 27:58But I believe that these are the tools
  • 28:00that's going to help my children,
  • 28:02my children's children,
  • 28:03and believing that they are going
  • 28:05to be useful for the different
  • 28:08types of challenges and adversities
  • 28:10that we would face to come.
  • 28:11So when we discovered these strategies,
  • 28:16and you can read about our description of the
  • 28:19first two that overlapped in the article.
  • 28:22What we realized is that it offered
  • 28:26something to add to that conceptual
  • 28:29model of historical trauma.
  • 28:32For us.
  • 28:35We added cultural and spiritual
  • 28:37heritage and ancestors at the top.
  • 28:40So one thing this act of going back for,
  • 28:43you know, what your elders did was
  • 28:45important and meant that we were always
  • 28:48dipping into an original stash, right?
  • 28:50That no matter where we were,
  • 28:51we still had access.
  • 28:53And even though that access was
  • 28:55the intention was to disrupt that
  • 28:58through those forces of subjugation,
  • 29:01we found ways to always access also.
  • 29:05The framing of our lives is that we don't
  • 29:07just think about life as one-dimensional.
  • 29:09Like I only get to engage with who's
  • 29:11in this room at this very moment.
  • 29:13I also get to engage with the people who
  • 29:16been gone and the generations to come.
  • 29:19So while access quote UN quote
  • 29:21was cut off in this world,
  • 29:23what we had was a world
  • 29:25that was trans temporal.
  • 29:27So you you.
  • 29:28That's cute, but the way my life is set up.
  • 29:32I got an inheritance that
  • 29:34I can always tap into.
  • 29:35So while the other models start at
  • 29:38subjugation and mass group trauma,
  • 29:41there is an important beginning that when we
  • 29:43talk about healing and working with anybody,
  • 29:46children, adolescents and their families,
  • 29:48the reminder that you got a
  • 29:50stash that can't nobody touch.
  • 29:53So putting that on the model was important.
  • 29:56Then in the middle.
  • 29:57So that arrow from mass group trauma
  • 30:00to that by that directional arrow at
  • 30:03the top just reinforces this notion
  • 30:05of trying to attack you know that
  • 30:09preservation of that that Wellness
  • 30:12wellspring even though there was
  • 30:15attempted to to disrupt that that
  • 30:17we still maintain those connections
  • 30:20and access and would perpetually
  • 30:22be able to tap into that resource.
  • 30:25So mass group trauma on the
  • 30:28primary generation.
  • 30:29So yes,
  • 30:30it created historical trauma responses,
  • 30:32but the fact that we are here means that
  • 30:35wounding was not the only thing involved.
  • 30:37So for us,
  • 30:38you will never tell our story without
  • 30:40elevating our healing experience to the
  • 30:43same status as you talk about wounding.
  • 30:45And so for us in this model,
  • 30:47it's imperative that when you see us,
  • 30:50when you dare to tell our stories,
  • 30:52make sure you tell the full story.
  • 30:53And even when you don't, this model
  • 30:55actually for you is so that this is my first.
  • 30:59That training.
  • 31:00So my nieces will forever know,
  • 31:01my nephew will forever know their children,
  • 31:04will forever know that we we are
  • 31:06more than just the story of despair.
  • 31:09Finally, those things, right.
  • 31:11So when we talk about intergenerational
  • 31:14transmission, again you say,
  • 31:16hey, well,
  • 31:16the generations that came before they,
  • 31:18they had these things going on.
  • 31:20So that's why we see the incidences
  • 31:22of whatever in the next generation
  • 31:25often talking about pathology, right?
  • 31:28But if those same pathways work
  • 31:31to transmit trauma?
  • 31:33Guess what?
  • 31:33They can also transmit some other things.
  • 31:36They can also transfer some other things.
  • 31:38So, and again,
  • 31:40that fireside training piece was like,
  • 31:42oh,
  • 31:42and it was intentional to
  • 31:44transfer those other things.
  • 31:46And so if we are endeavoring
  • 31:48to figure out what
  • 31:49the world of human looks like
  • 31:51with black folks, if we only
  • 31:53look at half of this story,
  • 31:55you're in the wrong room.
  • 32:00You start an empty handed.
  • 32:04And again, it ain't for you to know.
  • 32:06Because the way that our lives are set up.
  • 32:11All of the ways, well that is due to
  • 32:14sound but is humming tap like movement.
  • 32:17Our ancestors made sure that we
  • 32:20had a way to reconnect to the
  • 32:23possibility of healing and well-being.
  • 32:26So when we were looking.
  • 32:28And many, many discussions about
  • 32:31intergenerational transmission talk,
  • 32:33talk about kind of social transmission
  • 32:35and talk about kind of what gets
  • 32:38transferred from like in the womb from a
  • 32:41mom to a child or what gets transferred
  • 32:43because of what people didn't heal.
  • 32:46And so that stuck out to me when
  • 32:47looking at historical trauma theory and
  • 32:49discussions of post traumatic slave
  • 32:51syndrome and the conversation that,
  • 32:53oh, there were no counseling centers
  • 32:55set up for black folks at the time.
  • 32:58And so for me, it originally there was like,
  • 33:01Oh yeah, that's right. So we couldn't.
  • 33:03But this whole work was like,
  • 33:04Oh yeah, no, we might not have been
  • 33:07sitting on nobody's couch,
  • 33:08but healing was happening.
  • 33:11Healing was happening.
  • 33:13And so when you want to use all
  • 33:15of the cute words given to me,
  • 33:17cultural whatever,
  • 33:18and inclusivity and all
  • 33:20of that kind of stuff,
  • 33:22and you are not creating arms that
  • 33:24are big enough to hold the ways
  • 33:27in which we identify Wellness and
  • 33:29well-being and which we define healing,
  • 33:31then you ain't including nothing.
  • 33:36What ways do you centers?
  • 33:38What ways do you counseling spaces?
  • 33:40What ways do they make space for
  • 33:42the different ways in which black
  • 33:44people pursue and experience healing?
  • 33:46What ways are they doing that?
  • 33:50How do you know?
  • 33:53And if you leave here and you only take
  • 33:55what's in this article, what I say,
  • 33:57then you still ain't being inclusive.
  • 33:59Because the way black folks are set up,
  • 34:00we ain't monolithic.
  • 34:03So whoever is in your office may not
  • 34:06be down with God live all. Thank you.
  • 34:10The only way you'll know if you're
  • 34:12being inclusive in that space is
  • 34:14at one you check who you're being.
  • 34:17What are the the healing frameworks
  • 34:18that I'm bringing into this office?
  • 34:20It's who I'm being.
  • 34:23Spacious enough to invite the
  • 34:25fullness of who those other
  • 34:27people are into the room with me.
  • 34:30It's who I'm being.
  • 34:33Spacious enough?
  • 34:33So that if somebody has a world
  • 34:36of healing that doesn't resonate
  • 34:38with what I know and what I learned
  • 34:41inside somebody's classroom,
  • 34:42that I still know how to make space for
  • 34:45it is who I am being inclusive enough.
  • 34:50If not. Cool. Don't get stuck there.
  • 34:56Figure out. And I'm not just saying
  • 34:59shape shift and act like it.
  • 35:00I don't like performative.
  • 35:04You might discover that you
  • 35:06need to check out. This is
  • 35:08where the journey ends for you.
  • 35:12Or you get to ask yourself.
  • 35:15Am I willing and able?
  • 35:20To make that space.
  • 35:24Which starts with critical
  • 35:25dialogue at the level of you.
  • 35:27So while this model and this this way
  • 35:31of framing healing is absolutely and
  • 35:34it's creation definitely for my people.
  • 35:37It's an invitation for everybody to say,
  • 35:40well, what is my story?
  • 35:43What is the experience and framing
  • 35:45of healing that I take into
  • 35:47whatever buildings and classrooms?
  • 35:49Be aware of it.
  • 35:51So that you don't intentionally
  • 35:53or unintentionally weaponize it.
  • 35:56As a way to create barriers and boundaries
  • 35:58in the spaces where you have power,
  • 36:00so that people cannot breathe and
  • 36:02be themselves and access healing in
  • 36:04ways that resonate with who they are.
  • 36:05Who are you being?
  • 36:08What is your story?
  • 36:10Who told you what healing is?
  • 36:16The last treatment plan that you wrote up,
  • 36:18whose definition of healing was that?
  • 36:26So the model.
  • 36:30This is a part. Of the baton that I
  • 36:33realized that I needed to carry to
  • 36:36make sure that there were expanded
  • 36:38ways in these stuffy academic rooms
  • 36:41and journals to know that there's a
  • 36:43framework for us to be able to justify
  • 36:46the things that we know in our bones.
  • 36:51The conceptual model of
  • 36:53intergenerational healing.
  • 36:57So. I'm horrible and this time
  • 37:01following. So yeah, I gotta you
  • 37:03gotta link at me or something.
  • 37:07So lastly, it wasn't good
  • 37:10enough for me to make a model.
  • 37:13And just write up a discussion and
  • 37:16an implication section and be like,
  • 37:17alright, y'all have that,
  • 37:18go do something with it.
  • 37:22It's like, oh, I don't got to wait for that.
  • 37:26I don't just have to say what's missing.
  • 37:30I get to go create.
  • 37:33What insights have been given to me?
  • 37:37So ultimately.
  • 37:40But I got the brilliant gift to
  • 37:42be able to do was to ask myself
  • 37:45what would that model look
  • 37:46like as a real living thing?
  • 37:53Now births the Center for
  • 37:55black well-being. LLC.
  • 38:00Our framework is to go to all the
  • 38:03layers of this model and to use it
  • 38:06to inform and shape our guiding.
  • 38:08Use it as our guiding philosophy.
  • 38:12So what we said about cultural and spiritual
  • 38:15heritage and ancestors in practice,
  • 38:18that looks like remembering who we are.
  • 38:21Activating and remixing cultural strengths,
  • 38:23assets, and original instructions
  • 38:25as a vital healing source.
  • 38:28Maybe you're asking what does that look like
  • 38:30in your work with individuals or families?
  • 38:33Well, in order to remember,
  • 38:35sometimes might need to know.
  • 38:36Do you know? Do they know?
  • 38:40Maybe it's just creating space.
  • 38:42What's your healing story?
  • 38:45One thing that I love is to
  • 38:46take the genogram and flip it.
  • 38:48Use it as a way to trace
  • 38:50healing across generations.
  • 38:52How are people healing back then?
  • 38:53What parts of that do resonate with you?
  • 38:57And what parts did you feel like
  • 38:59you wanted to run from a transform?
  • 39:02Where did you feel like
  • 39:03healing wasn't happening?
  • 39:04What do you think was the impact on you?
  • 39:07People get to create their own
  • 39:09personalized map and now you have
  • 39:11a tool that you get to use that is
  • 39:13really all the nice social work
  • 39:15cliches that write Stephanie.
  • 39:16I was like,
  • 39:17don't write those in the papers
  • 39:19that you submit to me,
  • 39:20please.
  • 39:23But meeting somebody where they are.
  • 39:26That that's what it can look like.
  • 39:31Next, amplify healing as an essential
  • 39:33possibility and part of our present,
  • 39:35past, present, and future.
  • 39:37So wherever we are going,
  • 39:39whatever space I'm invited to,
  • 39:40we are talking about healing center.
  • 39:43I'm grateful for the things that trauma
  • 39:46informed awareness has given me and.
  • 39:48The way that it gets to look when
  • 39:50I put healing at the center.
  • 39:52Healing is the intention.
  • 39:54Healing as the reminder old man.
  • 39:57How creative I get to be,
  • 39:59how creative we get to be,
  • 40:01how creative they get to be.
  • 40:02What does that look like in practice?
  • 40:04Just asking radically imagination.
  • 40:06What would it look like if
  • 40:08this thing was transformed?
  • 40:10What would it feel like to you?
  • 40:13Right.
  • 40:16Next, affirm African cosmological beliefs
  • 40:19and the transpersonal nature of healing.
  • 40:22So again, you may have somebody who
  • 40:25doesn't just think in this dimension.
  • 40:27They believe that they have tools that
  • 40:29they can access from other spaces,
  • 40:31spiritually and otherwise.
  • 40:32You might need to ask questions about gifts.
  • 40:39What were? What else was available?
  • 40:41What do they know?
  • 40:43What are the stories from their families?
  • 40:46Maintain space where we can identify
  • 40:47and explore spiritual gifts and healing.
  • 40:49So similar to what I just named
  • 40:52Createspace to intentionally share
  • 40:53our healing gifts and wisdom.
  • 40:55So that's fireside training,
  • 40:57and I'll talk in the next slide
  • 40:59really quickly about what that
  • 41:01looks like at the center.
  • 41:04Createspace for relief and Joy and #7.
  • 41:07So this ain't no order of priority,
  • 41:10it's just what I got to next
  • 41:12when I was trying to write OK.
  • 41:15Acknowledge and share about the
  • 41:17impact of traumatic exploitation,
  • 41:19violence and subjugation, violence,
  • 41:21subjugation and oppression for
  • 41:23affirmation and accountability.
  • 41:25So while I know that my work right,
  • 41:28I like Jay Shetty and in his
  • 41:30book think like a monk,
  • 41:32he talked about Dharma, right.
  • 41:34And how you don't really have to do it all,
  • 41:36you just have to be focused
  • 41:38on what your daughter is.
  • 41:39And I believe that my
  • 41:40Dharma is healing center,
  • 41:41somebody else's dormer is trauma informed,
  • 41:44right?
  • 41:44So while the things that I am
  • 41:48involved in will prioritize the
  • 41:52commitment to well-being and healing.
  • 41:54It's not, you know,
  • 41:56omitting or not prioritizing
  • 41:58awareness of mass group trauma
  • 42:01and forces not just historical,
  • 42:04historical,
  • 42:04but ongoing forces of subjugation.
  • 42:07That's very present you know,
  • 42:09for me and so how that out
  • 42:11pictures in the work that I'll do,
  • 42:12I'll be able to share quickly as well.
  • 42:19So at the center, here are some
  • 42:22of the things that we've done
  • 42:25created spaces for relief and joy.
  • 42:28We do a monthly event called
  • 42:30the Digital Oasis, right?
  • 42:31Something that played an instrumental role
  • 42:33in healing and well-being was just gathering.
  • 42:36So having a monthly space where
  • 42:37we just get to be together.
  • 42:39Sharing information.
  • 42:40So at each Oasis or at each event,
  • 42:43somebody gets to share of their gifts.
  • 42:46So whoever comes gets to learn
  • 42:48a new modality or walk away with
  • 42:50information that can be applied
  • 42:51that they don't have to wait to
  • 42:54figure out insurance and wait to
  • 42:56figure out finding somebody that
  • 42:58they like you know to work with.
  • 43:00But what if we just create spaces
  • 43:02where we're sharing the information
  • 43:04that people can access and grab
  • 43:06and put in their own toolkit
  • 43:08and experience Wellness and.
  • 43:09Right now in ways that are needed.
  • 43:11And we do that collectively.
  • 43:15So a range of things we got together.
  • 43:18Talk about online dating.
  • 43:22Black pleasure and passion.
  • 43:25An event focused on music,
  • 43:28right,
  • 43:28and creating music that affirms a
  • 43:31creating music that can help recenter
  • 43:33us in times when it's needed.
  • 43:35Sharing the tool of emotional
  • 43:37freedom technique or tapping.
  • 43:39So you know,
  • 43:39we mix it up and just keep it
  • 43:42simple and Createspace as the model
  • 43:45is the theme for those events.
  • 43:48And lastly,
  • 43:48our Community level engagement is when
  • 43:51we work as consultants with organization.
  • 43:54So there's the time where I get to.
  • 43:56Amp up #7,
  • 43:57right.
  • 43:57So when you want to bring me in because of
  • 44:02all your beautiful DI lovely commitments,
  • 44:05what's beautiful is that we get to
  • 44:08merge the skills of clinical practice,
  • 44:11our awareness of who we are and
  • 44:14healing centered engagement and
  • 44:16create spaces where we invite
  • 44:18organizations to be held accountable
  • 44:20and to reimagine what it could look
  • 44:23like to create an organization.
  • 44:26That feels like Wellness,
  • 44:27especially to the black folks and
  • 44:29to other folks of color who inhabit
  • 44:32or are parts of those spaces.
  • 44:37A lot of stuff I'm missing.
  • 44:38I don't know where we are
  • 44:39in time, but. 10 minutes.
  • 44:45OK, OK, so I will, I will stop here.
  • 44:50The long and the short of it,
  • 44:52and we were talking about this earlier.
  • 44:57This is because. Of every single
  • 45:01person that was in the gratitude
  • 45:04page earlier. This is because.
  • 45:09My parents the same Mama that
  • 45:11I referenced in the poem.
  • 45:14With everything knew how to
  • 45:16create a world, to Createspace,
  • 45:18to surround me with tools that even if
  • 45:21she wasn't directly giving them to me,
  • 45:24I had access to the things that
  • 45:26ultimately held up nearest to myself.
  • 45:31Helped me to go inward and discover, yeah,
  • 45:34you know, I might want to do social work
  • 45:37and I might have wanted to Dibble and
  • 45:39dabble in academia, and I might have.
  • 45:43Wanted to do something that would be helpful
  • 45:46to Anton from the YMCA where I worked.
  • 45:51But it was about growing the
  • 45:55healing story that was inside of me.
  • 45:58In a way that invited me to just
  • 46:01follow the path to my own Dharma,
  • 46:03to my own destiny.
  • 46:04And so I don't just ask myself
  • 46:06about a professional identity,
  • 46:08but I ask myself, what are the
  • 46:09things that are supposed to be out,
  • 46:11pictured and realized because I am here?
  • 46:15If we look back at any of the
  • 46:18narratives or at the model,
  • 46:20what's beautiful is that our
  • 46:22ancestors were doing CBT.
  • 46:27Our ancestors were, you know,
  • 46:30when you look at those stage
  • 46:32theories of help seeking, right,
  • 46:34they would demonstrate it.
  • 46:35Oh, let me figure out what to do first.
  • 46:38Let me find a world that it
  • 46:40made sense to do that in.
  • 46:41Let me find some people that could trust.
  • 46:44Let me check back in with the home with
  • 46:47the fam and see what was safe to do.
  • 46:49Right. And so we were methodically.
  • 46:53And ultimately,
  • 46:54let me check back in with who I am.
  • 46:57I know what this world is trying to tell me.
  • 47:00But the way this DNA is set up?
  • 47:02Oh, there is.
  • 47:04A wellspring of Wellness information
  • 47:07that is mine.
  • 47:09Hey, what's happening into that in
  • 47:11the midst of circumstances that
  • 47:12I couldn't even have imagined?
  • 47:16So I had to return to that
  • 47:19poem and transform it.
  • 47:20Originally it said this dear ancestors,
  • 47:23please get well.
  • 47:24Please get well soon.
  • 47:25That was the original version of the poem.
  • 47:27It was a plea for them to heal so
  • 47:29that somehow I could get healing.
  • 47:31Because the way intergenerational
  • 47:32transmission work is that if
  • 47:34you're not well, I'm not well.
  • 47:38But I had to really reevaluate and
  • 47:41discover who they are and who I am,
  • 47:44so that I could transform that
  • 47:46and that my heart could speak to
  • 47:48their hearts and say I see you.
  • 47:51I thank you. May the healing that you
  • 47:54have fought for me to be able to do
  • 47:57reach back to you as well. Thank you.
  • 48:07Thank you is this.
  • 48:09Is this on? OK. Yeah.
  • 48:11Thank you so much for that work.
  • 48:13We're going to go ahead and
  • 48:15move on to questions.
  • 48:16We have about 10 minutes.
  • 48:20No, we're going to answer
  • 48:22all the questions that we
  • 48:23have until we can. Does.
  • 48:30Alright, are there any
  • 48:31questions in the chat too?
  • 48:32We have somebody in the chat.
  • 48:34Please say your name too and your
  • 48:36affiliation with yell when you.
  • 48:39Hi, my name is Sam Hayek and I thank you so
  • 48:44much for sharing. All your
  • 48:46knowledge with us and experience.
  • 48:54I have. My question is what does
  • 48:58it take for? Non black folks.
  • 49:04To be healers of black folks.
  • 49:08How can we? Transfer or
  • 49:12transmit this this knowledge,
  • 49:14this you know, generation,
  • 49:18generationally transmitted.
  • 49:21Intuitive. And practical know how?
  • 49:27To people who are not born into it.
  • 49:31Because otherwise.
  • 49:33You know the ratio of, you know,
  • 49:36doctors and psychologists and psychiatrists.
  • 49:39That are non that that are black folks too.
  • 49:44Black, black folks.
  • 49:45It's very very low.
  • 49:46So we need to head train non black
  • 49:49folks to work with black folks.
  • 49:53Can you help me there? No.
  • 49:58So.
  • 50:03Something. Whenever I go somewhere,
  • 50:05I usually say. I got home training.
  • 50:08My Mama taught me not to walk up in
  • 50:10somebody else house, take off my shoes,
  • 50:12turn their chair there and tell them
  • 50:14what temperature to set their house at.
  • 50:16So. Often our professions amp us up.
  • 50:20They put the battery in our back
  • 50:23with this audacity to believe that
  • 50:24we have an invitation to places that
  • 50:27we don't necessarily always have.
  • 50:29So there is the work of critical self
  • 50:32reflection. I think that that is huge, right?
  • 50:36Is there an invitation here for me?
  • 50:39And if I really have a deep investment
  • 50:42in becoming and showing up as
  • 50:44somebody who would have an invitation
  • 50:46to support healing and well-being,
  • 50:48what transformation?
  • 50:49Where am I willing to go in order
  • 50:52to become that?
  • 50:54So I can't sit here and give a blanket answer
  • 50:56for what that looks like because again,
  • 50:59we're not monolithic.
  • 51:00I might be like, all right here,
  • 51:02do all these things and you
  • 51:03show up to somebody who like,
  • 51:05I don't want that, right?
  • 51:07So how are the I I think a lot of
  • 51:09the answers to these things start
  • 51:12at the level of self inquiry.
  • 51:14Who am I being? Who have I been so far?
  • 51:17And investigate.
  • 51:18Flip some of that research to really
  • 51:22understand at the level of you.
  • 51:24What is it that has been keeping
  • 51:26distance between me and the people that
  • 51:29I thought I put on these licenses to help?
  • 51:32What is that thing?
  • 51:33They're leaning in and and getting insights.
  • 51:36The people who are going to have
  • 51:38the answers you need are the actual
  • 51:40people in the room with you,
  • 51:42and so they will be able to share.
  • 51:44And maybe your work is other things, right?
  • 51:47So one, in those healing narratives,
  • 51:49we weren't only just inviting healing
  • 51:53support from people of African ancestry,
  • 51:57right?
  • 51:58We also had other collaborations we were had.
  • 52:03There were stories that I remember
  • 52:05about communities with Native Americans.
  • 52:07And so there are ways in which
  • 52:10we identify that people are.
  • 52:14Have a heart that feels like
  • 52:17healing and well-being to us.
  • 52:19The last thing that I was so it's not an
  • 52:22exclusionary experience in that sense.
  • 52:24Sometimes there is an invitation, but the
  • 52:28particular ingredients for what makes.
  • 52:31Us in terms of whatever.
  • 52:34Credentials we walking in with
  • 52:36what makes us a space where people
  • 52:38feel like healing can happen.
  • 52:40The answer for that is going
  • 52:42to be very different.
  • 52:43What you might ask yourself,
  • 52:44is that the level where my power is, is at.
  • 52:49With what I understand about what
  • 52:52creates the conditions that reinforce.
  • 52:55The absence of well-being or harm
  • 52:58or hurt in this role that I got,
  • 53:00what can I do?
  • 53:01So it might not be sitting in the room
  • 53:03with black folks and their families.
  • 53:05It might be working at the level of
  • 53:07your power to transform the conditions
  • 53:09that create the need in the 1st place.
  • 53:12How are you being to the people
  • 53:15that you teach?
  • 53:16How are you being to the people that
  • 53:19you lead as directors of your program?
  • 53:21What are the ways that you're making
  • 53:24it so that the people who are are are?
  • 53:27Reporting to you don't feel like
  • 53:30they can be well in there every day.
  • 53:33Maybe that's where you have to start.
  • 53:36And then that might be a blueprint
  • 53:38that lends to other discoveries
  • 53:40that help you Createspace to become
  • 53:42a person who is invited to support
  • 53:44the healing of well-being of black
  • 53:46folks in the way that may be desired.
  • 53:53Thank you. Thank you.
  • 53:56We have one more question. On him.
  • 54:00One of the things for for marriage
  • 54:02therapy is we say that our our clients
  • 54:06are the they know themselves now whether
  • 54:09trauma and transgender trauma they know
  • 54:12their experience and so I always look
  • 54:15at it's about relationship because when
  • 54:17you come into the room your clients
  • 54:19know if you're genuine or not and
  • 54:22we as black people understand that.
  • 54:23So we know most of the time if you really
  • 54:26are trying to help us or is it are
  • 54:29you trying to check the boxes and so.
  • 54:30I just needed to tell you publicly.
  • 54:32You rock. So I. I need that model.
  • 54:38One of the things I was looking at
  • 54:40as I went through because I just
  • 54:42finished my MFT program.
  • 54:44Looking at ways that will help us.
  • 54:46And so just what I can see from the
  • 54:48board and I'm going to go back and look,
  • 54:51your model is phenomenal.
  • 54:53If nobody ever tells you black girl magic,
  • 54:57you got it all together.
  • 54:58I appreciate you.
  • 55:00And I would snap,
  • 55:01but my fingers are not loud enough.
  • 55:04Excellent. Thank you.
  • 55:07Lastly, I would also say so,
  • 55:10the idea of fireside training,
  • 55:11what it inspires me to do and what we
  • 55:14do at the center is to create something
  • 55:16called the black Clinical Scholars program,
  • 55:19right? So one of the.
  • 55:23One of the things that I now understand.
  • 55:26Going through my own healing journey is that,
  • 55:28oh, we were just talking about this upstairs.
  • 55:31I am the magic.
  • 55:34I don't need to put it
  • 55:36in a certain container.
  • 55:37I don't need to put it in a container
  • 55:39where I gotta fight for creating the
  • 55:41things that actually I know are necessary.
  • 55:44So in the spirit of fireside training,
  • 55:46which is one of the guiding
  • 55:48principles for the center,
  • 55:50we've created something called the
  • 55:51black Clinical Scholars Program.
  • 55:53And So what it does is that it invites
  • 55:55blacks social work students from.
  • 56:00Helping professions,
  • 56:00programs to be able to meet with us.
  • 56:04We we've built it out in different ways.
  • 56:07But originally we're trying to go for
  • 56:10some grant funding and monies for it.
  • 56:12But then I was like, Oh yeah,
  • 56:13no, that's not the model.
  • 56:15Keep it simple and Createspace.
  • 56:17So what are the things that I was trying
  • 56:19to write to somebody to get the funds
  • 56:21for what's available for us to do now.
  • 56:23And so we've created space to be
  • 56:25able to meet with black social work
  • 56:27students and students and other.
  • 56:30Department of Psychology who just need
  • 56:32a space to kind of talk about who they
  • 56:35are and what are the options for how
  • 56:37you get your magic out there to do,
  • 56:40especially the healing work.
  • 56:41And there's also a high school
  • 56:43version of that that I have a model
  • 56:45for as well that we plan to do.
  • 56:47So that actually is kind of my personal
  • 56:50response to the question that you brought up,
  • 56:54which is if.
  • 56:56As many black folks are often looking for
  • 56:58black folks to create spaces for healing,
  • 57:00how do we just expand and?
  • 57:05Lastly.
  • 57:06The idea of the spiritual
  • 57:09transmission of healing,
  • 57:10meaning that in many of the
  • 57:13narratives people talked about.
  • 57:14Having spiritual gifts just
  • 57:16because of who they are, right?
  • 57:18Their family lineage.
  • 57:19And so imagine creating spaces for high
  • 57:22school students to be able to like,
  • 57:24actually talk about that,
  • 57:26you know, and you know.
  • 57:29Graduate students,
  • 57:31undergraduate students as well.
  • 57:32And then you get to come through your
  • 57:35academic process really figuring out
  • 57:37what's your thumbprint on this thing, right?
  • 57:39So what is the thing?
  • 57:41Again, that can happen through you.
  • 57:43And then we cover more territory.
  • 57:44You know,
  • 57:45if we're all doing the same thing,
  • 57:46mastering the same theories and formulas,
  • 57:48then that's cute.
  • 57:49But what about the people who
  • 57:50don't want those?
  • 57:54Thank you, Doctor Henderson.
  • 57:55I know we're running out on time.
  • 57:57We're already did.
  • 57:59So thank you all for coming.
  • 58:02Claps. Thank you for inviting me
  • 58:05and thank you for choosing to
  • 58:07spend your afternoon in this way.
  • 58:09It really means a lot to me.
  • 58:10So thank you.
  • 58:11Thank you everybody on Zoom as well.
  • 58:152nd.