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YC-SCAN2 May 2026 Webinar

June 05, 2026

This webinar featured presentations by Dr. Rachel Rabin (McGill University) and Dr. Renato Polimanti (Yale School of Medicine) on emerging research in cannabis use and cannabis use disorder. Dr. Rabin highlighted findings showing that individuals who co-use cannabis and tobacco experience more severe and prolonged withdrawal symptoms during abstinence, with notable sex differences suggesting females may have more variable and extended withdrawal trajectories influenced by hormonal factors. Dr. Polimanti presented research integrating genomics and brain imaging data from the UK Biobank, identifying distinct genetic and neural connectivity patterns associated with cannabis use, particularly within networks involved in cognitive control, salience processing, and default mode functioning. Together, the presentations underscored the importance of understanding biological and individual differences in cannabis-related outcomes and highlighted the endocannabinoid system as a promising target for future therapeutic interventions.

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Transcript

  • 00:04Okay.
  • 00:05Welcome, everyone. It's, my great
  • 00:08pleasure to introduce today,
  • 00:11two speakers.
  • 00:12First,
  • 00:14doctor Rachel Rabien. She's an
  • 00:16assistant professor in the department
  • 00:17of psychiatry
  • 00:19at McGill University
  • 00:20and researcher at the Douglas
  • 00:22Research Institute where I work.
  • 00:25And then, we'll be hearing
  • 00:27about doctor Renato
  • 00:29Polimanti,
  • 00:30who's an associate professor of
  • 00:31psychiatry
  • 00:32in the biomedical informatics and
  • 00:34data science and chronic disease
  • 00:36epidemiology at Yale School of
  • 00:38Medicine.
  • 00:39So,
  • 00:40first, I'll introduce,
  • 00:42Rachel.
  • 00:43She leads the Addiction Imaging
  • 00:45and Mental Health Laboratory
  • 00:46where her work focuses on
  • 00:48understanding the clinical,
  • 00:50cognitive, and neurobiological
  • 00:52mechanisms underlying substance use and
  • 00:55mental health disorders.
  • 00:57Her research integrates advanced neuroimaging
  • 00:59techniques,
  • 01:00clinical assessments,
  • 01:02and translational neuroscience
  • 01:03approaches to better understand addiction,
  • 01:06psychosis risks, and recovery trajectories.
  • 01:10Doctor Ravin's lecture will explore
  • 01:12the clinical and neurobiological
  • 01:14factors that influence the severity
  • 01:16and progression of cannabis withdrawal
  • 01:18during periods of abstinence.
  • 01:21Using findings from laboratory based
  • 01:23cannabis abstinence models,
  • 01:25the presentation will examine how
  • 01:27individual differences, including biological sex
  • 01:30and co use of other
  • 01:31substances,
  • 01:32may shape withdrawal experiences.
  • 01:35The talk will also highlight
  • 01:37the role of endocannabinoid
  • 01:38system in driving variability in
  • 01:40withdrawal trajectories,
  • 01:42providing insights into mechanisms that
  • 01:44may inform future treatment and
  • 01:46intervention strategies
  • 01:48for cannabis use disorder.
  • 01:50So with that,
  • 01:52Rachel, you, have the floor,
  • 01:54and I'll,
  • 01:55introduce Renato after.
  • 01:59Okay. Great. Thank you so
  • 02:01much, Romina, for that nice
  • 02:02introduction.
  • 02:03Can everyone see my slides
  • 02:04okay? Maybe just, great.
  • 02:07Okay. So, yeah, so I'm
  • 02:08really excited to share some
  • 02:09of my lab's work on
  • 02:11cannabis use
  • 02:12and cannabis withdrawal and talk
  • 02:14about some of the factors
  • 02:16that we've identified that may
  • 02:17moderate withdrawal severity as well
  • 02:19as duration.
  • 02:20And I'll also discuss,
  • 02:22several of the underlying mechanisms
  • 02:24that we think may contribute
  • 02:25to these effects.
  • 02:30So I have nothing to
  • 02:31disclose.
  • 02:32So I think everybody here
  • 02:34is well aware that rates
  • 02:35of cannabis use are high
  • 02:37and increasing
  • 02:38alongside the relaxation of cannabis
  • 02:40laws.
  • 02:42About seven percent of both
  • 02:43Canadians and Americans report daily
  • 02:46or near daily use of
  • 02:47cannabis.
  • 02:48And this is really concerning
  • 02:49because we know that this
  • 02:51pattern of cannabis use is
  • 02:52associated with a host of
  • 02:54consequences,
  • 02:55including the development of a
  • 02:57cannabis use disorder.
  • 03:00Yet, unfortunately,
  • 03:01there remains to be no
  • 03:02approved pharmacotherapies
  • 03:04to treat cannabis use disorder,
  • 03:06and this is despite many
  • 03:08candidate medications
  • 03:09having been tested.
  • 03:12So clearly, there's an urgent
  • 03:14need to develop novel and
  • 03:15effective treatments for cannabis use
  • 03:17disorder, and today I'll talk
  • 03:19about couple of ingredients that
  • 03:20I think are essential for
  • 03:22this process.
  • 03:24So the first,
  • 03:25we need to identify variables
  • 03:26that predict cannabis relapse.
  • 03:29We also need to determine
  • 03:30factors that moderate this variable.
  • 03:33And then we need to
  • 03:34map the mechanisms that are
  • 03:35driving these moderating effects.
  • 03:38So it's already pretty well
  • 03:39established that cannabis withdrawal is
  • 03:41a robust predictor of cannabis
  • 03:43relapse.
  • 03:44And just to go over
  • 03:45what cannabis withdrawal is, it
  • 03:47refers to a constellation of
  • 03:49symptoms that emerge following the
  • 03:51cessation
  • 03:52or the reduction of heavy
  • 03:54cannabis use. And it's pretty
  • 03:56common up to about ninety
  • 03:57percent of people with regular
  • 03:59cannabis use will experience withdrawal
  • 04:01symptoms.
  • 04:03So, these symptoms are clinically
  • 04:05significant because we know they
  • 04:06interfere with daily functioning.
  • 04:09The most common symptoms that
  • 04:10we see in our lab
  • 04:12tend to be effective symptoms
  • 04:13like depression and anxiety or
  • 04:15irritability,
  • 04:17sleep disturbances
  • 04:18as well as appetite disturbances,
  • 04:21and also physical symptoms are
  • 04:23pretty prevalent.
  • 04:26Now these symptoms are pretty
  • 04:27distressing,
  • 04:28and they often cause people
  • 04:30to relapse. And even just
  • 04:32the thought of these symptoms
  • 04:34can make people
  • 04:35relapse during a quit attempt.
  • 04:38So, it's important to note
  • 04:40that, cannabis withdrawal follows a
  • 04:42very distinct and elongated
  • 04:44trajectory.
  • 04:45So, symptoms typically begin about
  • 04:47twenty four hours after someone
  • 04:49quits. They usually peak within
  • 04:51one week of quitting.
  • 04:53And then after about twenty
  • 04:54eight days, they pretty much
  • 04:55dissipate.
  • 04:56And this was first established
  • 04:58back in two thousand and
  • 04:59three by Budney and colleagues.
  • 05:01And about fifteen years later,
  • 05:04I was able to replicate,
  • 05:06with my lab that as
  • 05:07a very similar trajectory.
  • 05:12So alongside increasing cannabis use,
  • 05:14we're also seeing a rise
  • 05:16in tobacco co use in
  • 05:18people who use cannabis.
  • 05:19And you can see here
  • 05:20from this recent study that
  • 05:22was published,
  • 05:23the blue line here denotes,
  • 05:26cannabis and tobacco co use,
  • 05:27and you can see that
  • 05:28rates are rising.
  • 05:30The green line,
  • 05:32depicts cannabis exclusive use, so
  • 05:34people who just use cannabis
  • 05:35alone.
  • 05:36And this orange line is
  • 05:38the rates of tobacco use,
  • 05:39which you can see over
  • 05:41the last several decades
  • 05:43have immensely declined. But what
  • 05:45we're seeing is that in
  • 05:47people who use cannabis, we're
  • 05:49not seeing that same decline
  • 05:50of tobacco use. In fact,
  • 05:53people
  • 05:54who use cannabis, we're seeing
  • 05:55that their rates of tobacco
  • 05:57use are actually remaining quite
  • 05:58stagnant.
  • 06:00And most people who used
  • 06:01cannabis actually also
  • 06:03co use a tobacco product.
  • 06:08So accumulating evidence suggests that
  • 06:10tobacco co use is associated
  • 06:11with poor treatment outcomes
  • 06:14compared to those people who
  • 06:15just use cannabis alone.
  • 06:17And this has been demonstrated
  • 06:18across various studies. So Gray
  • 06:20et al showed that people
  • 06:21with tobacco co use were
  • 06:23fifty percent more likely to
  • 06:25relapse during a cannabis treatment
  • 06:27trial
  • 06:28compared to people with cannabis
  • 06:29only use.
  • 06:30Moore and Bugney showed that
  • 06:32people with current tobacco co
  • 06:34use relapsed to cannabis faster
  • 06:36than those who previously used
  • 06:37tobacco.
  • 06:39And Meg Haney's lab at
  • 06:40Columbia
  • 06:41showed that people with co
  • 06:42use were twenty times more
  • 06:44likely to relapse to cannabis
  • 06:46than people with cannabis only
  • 06:48use.
  • 06:50So this raises the question,
  • 06:51what's responsible for this higher
  • 06:53or faster cannabis relapse rates
  • 06:56in people with tobacco couse?
  • 06:58Could it be withdrawal?
  • 07:00So we sought to investigate
  • 07:02this relationship looking to see
  • 07:03if tobacco co use influences
  • 07:06cannabis withdrawal severity
  • 07:07in people with a current
  • 07:09cannabis use disorder
  • 07:10during,
  • 07:12an abstinence paradigm where we
  • 07:13ask people to quit for
  • 07:14twenty eight days.
  • 07:16And we chose the twenty
  • 07:17eight day period so to
  • 07:19coincide with withdrawal trajectory, which
  • 07:21we know to be twenty
  • 07:22eight days and also with
  • 07:25the urinary elimination of THC
  • 07:26from the body.
  • 07:29So we conducted a secondary
  • 07:30analysis. We had,
  • 07:33twenty participants
  • 07:34who met criteria for a
  • 07:35cannabis use disorder,
  • 07:36and we parsed them according
  • 07:38to their current tobacco use.
  • 07:41So we had a group,
  • 07:42which we called our co
  • 07:43users, and we denoted them
  • 07:44by c t plus. So
  • 07:46these are people who met
  • 07:47for a cannabis use disorder
  • 07:49and smoked either ten or
  • 07:51more cigarettes per day.
  • 07:53And then we had a
  • 07:54cannabis only user group,
  • 07:56which also,
  • 07:58had to include people with
  • 07:59very light tobacco use
  • 08:01because we actually didn't have
  • 08:03enough people who just used
  • 08:04cannabis alone. So the CT
  • 08:06minus group is a group
  • 08:07of individuals who used either
  • 08:09cannabis alone
  • 08:11or co used but less
  • 08:12than five cigarettes per day.
  • 08:16And so we just recruited
  • 08:17people from the community.
  • 08:19Everybody in the sample was
  • 08:20male just because it was
  • 08:22a secondary analysis.
  • 08:24Like I said, they all
  • 08:25met for a cannabis use
  • 08:26disorder and came up positive
  • 08:27for THC at the screening
  • 08:29day.
  • 08:30They were willing to abstain
  • 08:31for cannabis for twenty eight
  • 08:33days, but they were not
  • 08:34treatment seeking.
  • 08:35We excluded anyone with a
  • 08:37current psychiatric disorder,
  • 08:39if they came up positive
  • 08:41for a psychoactive substance other
  • 08:42than THC,
  • 08:44if they were using any
  • 08:45medications that were psychotropic in
  • 08:47nature in the last six
  • 08:48months,
  • 08:49And if they had any
  • 08:50serious medical or neurological
  • 08:52conditions, we also excluded them.
  • 08:55So this was our study
  • 08:56design.
  • 08:58Once eligibility was confirmed, we
  • 09:00asked participants to quit the
  • 09:02night before, about twelve hours
  • 09:03before coming in for the
  • 09:05baseline visit. And this was
  • 09:06to try to capture them
  • 09:08between the window of acute
  • 09:10intoxication, but also before the
  • 09:12onset of withdrawal.
  • 09:14So then we then got
  • 09:15people to come in for
  • 09:16weekly study visits where we
  • 09:18assess withdrawal. So we use
  • 09:20the marijuana withdrawal checklist, which
  • 09:22is a self report questionnaire
  • 09:24where people
  • 09:25rated the severity of fifteen
  • 09:27of the most commonly reported
  • 09:29withdrawal symptoms, and they were
  • 09:31rated on a scale from
  • 09:32zero being not present at
  • 09:34all to three very severe.
  • 09:39And so
  • 09:40we also use the timeline
  • 09:42follow back just to get
  • 09:42a self report measure of
  • 09:44substance use.
  • 09:45And to get people to
  • 09:47achieve absence, we offer them
  • 09:49weekly behavioral therapy
  • 09:50very briefly.
  • 09:52But what really got people
  • 09:53to quit is we offered
  • 09:54them contingency management.
  • 10:03Bonus.
  • 10:04And we didn't just rely
  • 10:05on self report. We actually
  • 10:07collected urine twice weekly. And
  • 10:09so we were able to
  • 10:10confirm abstinence by chemically.
  • 10:14So twenty participants completed the
  • 10:16study.
  • 10:17We had eleven people in
  • 10:18the co use group and
  • 10:20nine in
  • 10:21the cannabis only co use
  • 10:23light group.
  • 10:25Two people in the co
  • 10:26use group relapsed,
  • 10:28and none in the other
  • 10:29group relapsed.
  • 10:30What was really nice is
  • 10:32that the groups were well
  • 10:33matched on age,
  • 10:35across all parameters of cannabis
  • 10:37use, including lifetime years as
  • 10:39well as frequency of use.
  • 10:41And obviously, they differed on
  • 10:43tobacco use. So
  • 10:45our co users were smoking
  • 10:46about a pack a day
  • 10:48and, met for moderate nicotine
  • 10:50dependence, while our
  • 10:52CT minus group were just
  • 10:54using on average about three
  • 10:55and a half cigarettes per
  • 10:56day
  • 10:57and that met for minimal
  • 11:00or very mild,
  • 11:03nicotine dependence.
  • 11:05So when we looked at
  • 11:07participants
  • 11:08with, cannabis use disorder with
  • 11:10either no or low tobacco
  • 11:11use,
  • 11:12what we saw is this
  • 11:13very typical or the classic
  • 11:15withdrawal trajectory that we expected
  • 11:18to see.
  • 11:19However, when we looked at
  • 11:20the co use group, we
  • 11:22saw a very different pattern.
  • 11:23So we saw that in
  • 11:24this group, their their severity
  • 11:26of cannabis withdrawal was elevated,
  • 11:29and it remained elevated across
  • 11:31all of the weeks that
  • 11:32we assessed withdrawal.
  • 11:35And so now that we
  • 11:36had a behavior to explain
  • 11:37high relapse rates in co
  • 11:38users, we were now interested
  • 11:40in determining what the molecular
  • 11:42mechanisms were that were underlying
  • 11:44these elevated rates.
  • 11:47And so what we know
  • 11:48is that chronic cannabis use
  • 11:50alters the endocannabinoid
  • 11:51system.
  • 11:53Lots of studies showing that
  • 11:54chronic use of cannabis causes
  • 11:56downregulation
  • 11:57of cannabinoid one receptors in
  • 11:59the brain. We also see
  • 12:00this in the periphery. We
  • 12:02see a decrease in endocannabinoid
  • 12:04levels that have been measured
  • 12:05in blood.
  • 12:06And very interestingly, cannabis withdrawal
  • 12:09has been linked to endocannabinoid
  • 12:11dysregulation,
  • 12:12which has been shown by
  • 12:13doctor D'Souza,
  • 12:15And higher withdrawal severity is
  • 12:17actually associated with greater cannabinoid
  • 12:19one receptor downregulation.
  • 12:22Similar relationships have been shown
  • 12:24in the periphery where withdrawal
  • 12:26symptoms like depression, anxiety
  • 12:28have been linked to endocannabinoid
  • 12:30levels.
  • 12:31And also studies in both
  • 12:32humans and animals have shown
  • 12:34that if we use a
  • 12:35THA inhibitor,
  • 12:38we can increase anandamide levels.
  • 12:40So anandamide is one of
  • 12:41the prominent endocannabinoids,
  • 12:44and thaw is the enzyme
  • 12:46that degrades anandmine. So if
  • 12:47we block the breakdown
  • 12:49of anandamide, we're gonna see
  • 12:51increasing levels, and this actually
  • 12:53leads to a reduction
  • 12:54of cannabis withdrawal symptoms.
  • 12:58So what this suggests in
  • 12:59the context of our data
  • 13:01is that perhaps tobacco co
  • 13:02use may exacerbate endocannabinoid
  • 13:06dysfunction in people with cannabis
  • 13:08use.
  • 13:10And so we were able
  • 13:11to test this hypothesis
  • 13:13in another secondary analysis
  • 13:15using data from Romina's,
  • 13:18Romina's cohort. So she collected
  • 13:20data in people with cannabis
  • 13:22use disorder
  • 13:24using a validated FAW tracer
  • 13:26called CRB.
  • 13:28And so just to remind
  • 13:29you that FAW degrades the
  • 13:31endocannabinoid
  • 13:32anandamide,
  • 13:33and we used it as
  • 13:34a proxy for endocannabinoid
  • 13:35activity or signaling.
  • 13:37And so the question that
  • 13:38we sought to answer was,
  • 13:40do fall levels in the
  • 13:41brain
  • 13:42differ between individuals with co
  • 13:44use compared to those with
  • 13:46cannabis only use following overnight
  • 13:48abstinence?
  • 13:51And we also wanted to
  • 13:52look to see if tobacco
  • 13:54use independently
  • 13:55was associated with fall levels.
  • 13:58So the sample was, we
  • 14:00had five people in the
  • 14:01co use group and eight
  • 14:03people in the cannabis only
  • 14:04group. And just to know
  • 14:05that this is a different
  • 14:06sample than the one I
  • 14:07previously presented before.
  • 14:09So these cannabis only users
  • 14:11were were really only just
  • 14:13using cannabis.
  • 14:14And again, we had the
  • 14:15groups very well matched on
  • 14:17age as well as all
  • 14:18the cannabis parameters.
  • 14:20And again, they differed on
  • 14:21tobacco use, so our CT
  • 14:23plus group was using about
  • 14:25six cigarettes per day and
  • 14:27met for mild,
  • 14:28nicotine dependence.
  • 14:32So when we looked across
  • 14:33regions of interest, and we
  • 14:35looked at regions of interest
  • 14:37that were that had high
  • 14:38levels of cannabinoid one receptors
  • 14:40and also had high levels
  • 14:42of nicotine acetylcholine
  • 14:43receptors.
  • 14:45And you can see that
  • 14:46across all regions
  • 14:48that were examined,
  • 14:49the co use group, which
  • 14:51is the one denoted in
  • 14:52orange, had higher fall levels
  • 14:55than people with cannabis only
  • 14:57use.
  • 14:58And
  • 14:59this even though the groups
  • 15:01were small,
  • 15:02significant differences emerged, in the
  • 15:04cerebellum shown here, as well
  • 15:06as the substantia nigra.
  • 15:09But really this trend was
  • 15:10present across all regions examined.
  • 15:14And also, when we look
  • 15:16to see,
  • 15:17how tobacco use or cigarettes
  • 15:19per day correlated with FAW,
  • 15:21we saw a positive relationship
  • 15:23where greater tobacco use actually
  • 15:25correlated
  • 15:26with higher FAW levels in
  • 15:27the cerebellum.
  • 15:29And it came out as
  • 15:30trend level when we looked
  • 15:31at the relationship in the
  • 15:33substantia nigra.
  • 15:36So what this suggests is
  • 15:37that tobacco use may be
  • 15:39independently contributing to endocannabinoid
  • 15:42dysfunction
  • 15:43in people with cannabis use.
  • 15:45So just to quickly summarize
  • 15:47what I've shown so far
  • 15:48is that people who co
  • 15:49use have elevated and prolonged
  • 15:51withdrawal severity compared to people
  • 15:53with cannabis only use. People
  • 15:55with co use have higher
  • 15:57fall levels than people with
  • 15:58cannabis only use.
  • 16:00Tobacco use may independently predict
  • 16:02greater fall levels,
  • 16:04and greater withdrawal severity in
  • 16:06co users may actually reflect
  • 16:08an exacerbated endocannabinoid
  • 16:10dysfunction or dysregulation.
  • 16:13And so perhaps the
  • 16:14endocannabinoid
  • 16:15system is a promising therapeutic
  • 16:17target
  • 16:18to treat cannabis use disorder
  • 16:20as well as people who
  • 16:22co use.
  • 16:24But one thing I do
  • 16:25want to point out is
  • 16:26that the endocannabinoid
  • 16:27system is not a one
  • 16:29size fits all. In fact,
  • 16:31there's great variability, and one
  • 16:33of theone of the sources
  • 16:35of variability comes from sex.
  • 16:37So, we see lots of
  • 16:38sex differences across the endocannabinoid
  • 16:41system.
  • 16:42However, our understanding of cannabis
  • 16:44use and the endocannabinoid
  • 16:46system in females is actually
  • 16:48quite limited.
  • 16:50So, for people who are
  • 16:52doing cannabis use research, I'm
  • 16:54sure you're familiar with that
  • 16:55females are very underrepresented
  • 16:58in cannabis studies.
  • 17:00And this is really a
  • 17:02problem, especially these days because
  • 17:04we're seeing that since legalization,
  • 17:07rates of cannabis use in
  • 17:08females are actually escalating at
  • 17:10a much faster rate in
  • 17:11females relative to males.
  • 17:14And new data just came
  • 17:15out from the states that
  • 17:17actually showed that female adolescents
  • 17:19now have higher rates of
  • 17:21cannabis use
  • 17:22compared to male adolescents. So
  • 17:25this historical trend of males
  • 17:27having higher rates of than
  • 17:29females is we're now seeing
  • 17:30a reversal
  • 17:31in these patterns.
  • 17:35And this is really concerning
  • 17:36because females actually have worse
  • 17:38cannabis treatment outcomes compared to
  • 17:40males.
  • 17:41So they tend to be
  • 17:42less adherent to medications.
  • 17:43They have reduced responsiveness
  • 17:45to interventions.
  • 17:47They often demonstrate higher relapse
  • 17:49rates and lower
  • 17:51cessation success.
  • 17:53And so, again, it could
  • 17:54be that cannabis withdrawal may
  • 17:54underlie some of these sex
  • 17:55specific effects.
  • 18:06The data is quite mixed.
  • 18:07There's some the data is
  • 18:08quite mixed. There are some
  • 18:09studies that show that females
  • 18:11experience greater withdrawal burden than
  • 18:13males,
  • 18:14others that show the reverse
  • 18:16relationship,
  • 18:17and then many studies that
  • 18:18actually show that there's no
  • 18:20sex differences in cannabis withdrawal
  • 18:22severity or
  • 18:37And this is quite And
  • 18:38this is quite problematic because
  • 18:40what we see is that
  • 18:41females
  • 18:42with cannabis use disorder tend
  • 18:44to have higher rates of
  • 18:45psychiatric comorbidities,
  • 18:48and the symptoms of these
  • 18:49comorbidities
  • 18:50actually overlap
  • 18:51with a lot of the
  • 18:52withdrawal symptoms.
  • 18:55Second is that the evidence
  • 18:57from these studies is derived
  • 18:59from
  • 18:59mostly studies that just have
  • 19:01looked at one time point.
  • 19:03They're predominantly
  • 19:04cross sectional in nature, and
  • 19:06they don't allow us to
  • 19:07look at the dynamic
  • 19:08or the time varying
  • 19:10sex differences that may appear
  • 19:12along the trajectory of withdrawal.
  • 19:15And I also just wanted
  • 19:16to point out that a
  • 19:17lot of what we know
  • 19:18about the cannabis withdrawal trajectory
  • 19:20actually comes from studies
  • 19:22that had been predominantly conducted
  • 19:24in males.
  • 19:26So Gabriela Malamud was a
  • 19:28research,
  • 19:29was a graduate student in
  • 19:30my lab who recently finished
  • 19:32her master's
  • 19:33and she conducted, some preliminary
  • 19:35analysis looking at how sex
  • 19:38differences,
  • 19:39portray
  • 19:40across the cannabis withdrawal trajectory.
  • 19:43So, in her project, she
  • 19:44investigated how sex influences the
  • 19:46severity of cannabis withdrawal symptoms
  • 19:49in people with a current
  • 19:50cannabis use disorder during twenty
  • 19:52eight days of abstinence.
  • 19:54And the inclusion exclusion criteria
  • 19:56was pretty similar to the
  • 19:57one that I showed you
  • 19:58from the COUSE study,
  • 20:00except here people had to
  • 20:01identify as male or female.
  • 20:03We also excluded people who
  • 20:05smoked more than, ten cigarettes
  • 20:07per day as well as
  • 20:08females who were pregnant or
  • 20:10breastfeeding.
  • 20:12So it was the exact
  • 20:13same study paradigm as I
  • 20:15showed before.
  • 20:17And in this study, we
  • 20:18had twenty seven participants that
  • 20:20completed abstinence,
  • 20:21fifteen males, twelve females.
  • 20:24Two of the males relapsed,
  • 20:25three females relapsed, but there
  • 20:27was no sex difference in,
  • 20:29the abstinence rate.
  • 20:32So the males and females
  • 20:34were well matched across all
  • 20:36parameters. So, age as well
  • 20:38as cannabis
  • 20:39parameters and cigarettes and alcohol
  • 20:42use per day.
  • 20:44But because we had a
  • 20:45wide range of recency of
  • 20:47use, we controlled for this
  • 20:49in our analyses.
  • 20:51And so when we looked
  • 20:52at males, we saw again
  • 20:54that they exhibited
  • 20:55the very classic
  • 20:57cannabis withdrawal trajectory that has
  • 20:58been previously established.
  • 21:01And when we looked at
  • 21:02females, again, we saw a
  • 21:03very different trajectory
  • 21:05than males. So females experienced
  • 21:08a more prolonged course of
  • 21:09withdrawal.
  • 21:10And at day twenty eight,
  • 21:11they actually had greater withdrawal
  • 21:13than males.
  • 21:16And so when we first
  • 21:17saw this data,
  • 21:19I thought perhaps or we
  • 21:21theorized that perhaps some of
  • 21:22these effects were due to
  • 21:23pharmacokinetic
  • 21:24sex differences.
  • 21:26And we had,
  • 21:28data from our urine collection
  • 21:30to confirm absence. So we
  • 21:31could actually look at carboxy
  • 21:33and hydroxy levels, these major
  • 21:35metabolites
  • 21:36of THC to see if
  • 21:37they differed between sex,
  • 21:39but they didn't.
  • 21:41So perhaps pharmacodynamic
  • 21:43effects may be better,
  • 21:46suited to explain these sex
  • 21:47differences.
  • 21:49And,
  • 21:50we know that there are
  • 21:51sex differences in the endocannabinoid
  • 21:53system, although the direction of
  • 21:55these effects are really not
  • 21:56well established. So, you can
  • 21:58find them in both directions
  • 22:00in the literature.
  • 22:02And we know that chronic
  • 22:02cannabis use exerts pharmacodynamic
  • 22:05effects, as I explained before.
  • 22:06And this has been shown
  • 22:07in both males and females.
  • 22:09This idea that cannabinoid one
  • 22:11receptor downregulation
  • 22:12occurs with chronic use.
  • 22:14It's also been shown in
  • 22:16males and females that,
  • 22:18cannabinoid one receptor ability predicts
  • 22:20withdrawal severity.
  • 22:22But what hasn't been shown
  • 22:23in females
  • 22:25is that,
  • 22:26normalization
  • 22:27or upregulation
  • 22:29occurs with abstinence. So while
  • 22:30this has been
  • 22:32documented in two studies in
  • 22:33males, it has not yet
  • 22:35been examined in females and
  • 22:37perhaps,
  • 22:39dysregulation in the endocannabinoid
  • 22:40system may persist longer in
  • 22:43females than males.
  • 22:46So another important piece of
  • 22:47the puzzle to consider is
  • 22:49the role of ovarian hormones.
  • 22:51And we know that they
  • 22:53influence endocannabinoid
  • 22:54system as well as that
  • 22:56is it as well as
  • 22:57its activity.
  • 22:58So they can actually modulate
  • 23:00cannabinoid one receptor density or
  • 23:02the affinity of these receptors.
  • 23:04And these ovarian hormones obviously
  • 23:07fluctuate across the menstrual system.
  • 23:09So we can actually see
  • 23:11across the menstrual system that
  • 23:12endocannabinoid
  • 23:13activity can
  • 23:16change.
  • 23:17But one one thing to
  • 23:18note is that if hormones
  • 23:20do change,
  • 23:21across,
  • 23:23the with the menstrual cycle,
  • 23:25then we would have expected
  • 23:26to see some variation
  • 23:28in our withdrawal trajectory in
  • 23:29females,
  • 23:31even though the average,
  • 23:33trajectory or severity was stagnant
  • 23:36across females.
  • 23:37So
  • 23:39what we did next was
  • 23:40we then looked at the
  • 23:41individual trajectories of the females
  • 23:43in the study. And when
  • 23:45we unpack this data, we
  • 23:46actually see that across the
  • 23:48nine participants,
  • 23:51the data was very heterogeneous.
  • 23:53So all of the females
  • 23:55looks like that they experienced
  • 23:56a very different type of
  • 23:58withdrawal trajectory,
  • 24:00which suggests that hormones may
  • 24:02indeed play a role
  • 24:03in the severity of the
  • 24:04symptoms.
  • 24:05And one thing that we
  • 24:06do see that we don't
  • 24:07see in males is sort
  • 24:08of this later phase elevation
  • 24:10or surge in withdrawal severity,
  • 24:13that's not present in males.
  • 24:15And actually, when you look
  • 24:16at males, and these are
  • 24:17the thirteen males plotted out,
  • 24:19you can actually see that
  • 24:21the majority or seventy five
  • 24:22percent
  • 24:23of males actually showed
  • 24:26the expected or the classic
  • 24:27withdrawal trajectory. So it wasn't
  • 24:29just an average effect, but
  • 24:31most of these men are
  • 24:32actually showing,
  • 24:35this dissipation by day twenty
  • 24:37eight and that peak at
  • 24:38day seven.
  • 24:40And so,
  • 24:42what we see just to
  • 24:43sum up is that females
  • 24:45exhibit
  • 24:45quite a different withdrawal trajectory
  • 24:47than males. It's a lot
  • 24:49more heterogeneous.
  • 24:50It seems to be prolonged.
  • 24:53These effects are likely mediated
  • 24:56by some hormonal changes and
  • 24:57endocannabinoid
  • 24:58activity across the menstrual cycle.
  • 25:02And really just sort of
  • 25:04speaks to how much more
  • 25:05investigations
  • 25:06are needed in this area.
  • 25:08So we need to start
  • 25:10to look to see if
  • 25:11hormones can influence or do
  • 25:13influence cannabis withdrawal severity or
  • 25:15endocannabinoid
  • 25:16activity during abstinence.
  • 25:19And, the real clinical relevance
  • 25:21comes to speak to if
  • 25:23treatments then need to be
  • 25:24tailored towards sex.
  • 25:27And so that's an area
  • 25:29that we're continuing to pursue.
  • 25:32So just to sum up,
  • 25:34I just wanted to come
  • 25:36back to this slide and
  • 25:38show that,
  • 25:41that we've identified withdrawal as
  • 25:43a variable that predicts relapse,
  • 25:45that tobacco co use as
  • 25:47well as sex, do indeed
  • 25:48moderate cannabis withdrawal severity as
  • 25:51well as duration.
  • 25:52And that the endocannabinoid
  • 25:54system may underlie the association
  • 25:56between withdrawal and tobacco co
  • 25:58use as well as sex.
  • 26:01And hopefully, a better understanding
  • 26:03of these relationships,
  • 26:05can help identify novel therapeutics
  • 26:07to overcome some of the
  • 26:08barriers that we've had
  • 26:10to cannabis treatment innovation.
  • 26:14And with that, I'll just
  • 26:15thank all of my collaborators,
  • 26:18as well as all of
  • 26:20my team members,
  • 26:22and the funding agencies. And
  • 26:24a real special thanks to
  • 26:25all the participants
  • 26:27who
  • 26:28who go through a really
  • 26:29intensive,
  • 26:30laboratory paradigm to provide this
  • 26:32data for us. So
  • 26:34thank you all for your
  • 26:35attention.
  • 26:36And if there's time, I'll
  • 26:37be happy to answer any
  • 26:39questions.
  • 26:41Thank
  • 26:41you, Rachel. Great, talk. Maybe
  • 26:44we'll have time only for
  • 26:45two questions
  • 26:47if you answer fast.
  • 26:50I think there's a question
  • 26:51in the chat.
  • 26:53Yeah. Okay.
  • 26:54So,
  • 26:57do you think, postmenopausal
  • 26:59females would have a more
  • 27:00uniform,
  • 27:02pattern of withdrawal as compared
  • 27:04to,
  • 27:05well, women not during menopause?
  • 27:08Yeah. I mean, I would
  • 27:10speculate yes, but until we
  • 27:12look at that,
  • 27:13we really don't know. So
  • 27:15there's just a lot of
  • 27:16animal data showing that ovarian
  • 27:18hormones
  • 27:19influence endocannabinoid
  • 27:21activity,
  • 27:22but there's really not a
  • 27:23lot of good studies in
  • 27:24humans showing what happens
  • 27:26premenopausal
  • 27:27or
  • 27:28after menopause
  • 27:29and even,
  • 27:31while while while females are
  • 27:33menstruating.
  • 27:35Thank you. I have one
  • 27:36question. And the last question,
  • 27:38do you think there are
  • 27:39specific times within the menstrual
  • 27:41cycle that would predict better,
  • 27:46success
  • 27:47rate? Yeah. So we couldn't
  • 27:48look at that from our
  • 27:49data. In fact,
  • 27:52we didn't have a lot
  • 27:52of women on contraceptives, and,
  • 27:56females are not very good
  • 27:57at recalling,
  • 27:59when the last day of
  • 28:00the the first day of
  • 28:01their last menstrual cycle was.
  • 28:03So it was really hard
  • 28:03to track
  • 28:04where in their cycle they
  • 28:05were during the
  • 28:07study, but there is some
  • 28:08evidence from the tobacco literature
  • 28:10suggesting that,
  • 28:12being in the early phase
  • 28:13or late phase when estrogen
  • 28:15levels are high or low,
  • 28:16I mean, there's mixed evidence,
  • 28:18may be beneficial and produce
  • 28:20greater treatment success.
  • 28:22Which phase that is, we
  • 28:24don't know yet. And whether
  • 28:25that's the same as the
  • 28:26tobacco field or it's specific
  • 28:27for cannabis, we also don't
  • 28:29know.
  • 28:30So, like I said, we're
  • 28:31just sort of scratching the
  • 28:32surface here, and I think
  • 28:33there there remains a lot
  • 28:35of unanswered questions.
  • 28:40Okay.
  • 28:41I guess just one comment.
  • 28:43One question. Do you think
  • 28:44the tarpine,
  • 28:45tarpine concentration,
  • 28:47may have explained some of
  • 28:48your findings?
  • 28:51Yeah. I mean, cannabis is
  • 28:53just such a complex plan,
  • 28:55so we haven't really gotten
  • 28:57into exactly what people are
  • 28:59using. We're really trying to
  • 29:00do a good job to
  • 29:01try to document
  • 29:03which strains,
  • 29:04the potency.
  • 29:06We're like, in Quebec, everything
  • 29:08is really well regulated. So
  • 29:09we're trying to
  • 29:10get pictures of the products
  • 29:12people are using, which sometimes
  • 29:14lists the terpenes,
  • 29:15but not always the concentrations
  • 29:17of them. So
  • 29:19so we're trying, but this
  • 29:20is a really it's really
  • 29:22hard to figure out exactly
  • 29:23what people are using.
  • 29:26Yeah. And I guess just
  • 29:26the last comment from, doctor
  • 29:28De Souza that,
  • 29:30of course, c v one
  • 29:31receptor availability
  • 29:33is lower in
  • 29:34tobacco smokers, which I'm sure
  • 29:36you know. And, however,
  • 29:38I don't think they're lower
  • 29:39in alcohol
  • 29:40use disorder,
  • 29:42or at least not consistently.
  • 29:44And I'm wondering with the
  • 29:46last question whether you've looked
  • 29:47into alcohol use.
  • 29:49Yeah. I mean, our we
  • 29:50exclude anyone with an alcohol
  • 29:52use disorder.
  • 29:53And, I mean,
  • 29:55people
  • 29:56are drinking recreationally, but the
  • 29:58levels are very, very low.
  • 30:00So,
  • 30:01I think that the average
  • 30:02works out to less than
  • 30:03a drink a day.
  • 30:05So we could look at
  • 30:06that, but I again, because
  • 30:08the the volume that people
  • 30:09are consuming are quite low,
  • 30:10I wouldn't expect in this
  • 30:11sample for it it to
  • 30:12have an effect.
  • 30:14Excellent.
  • 30:15Well, thank you very, very
  • 30:16much, Rachel. Great talk.
  • 30:18And,
  • 30:19with that, we are going
  • 30:20to be moving,
  • 30:22on to Renato.
  • 30:24Doctor Polimanti's
  • 30:25research focuses on applying big
  • 30:27data analytics, genomics, and computational
  • 30:30biology to better understand the
  • 30:32biological
  • 30:33and epidemiological
  • 30:34mechanisms
  • 30:35underlying neuropsychiatric
  • 30:37disorders,
  • 30:38substance use, and complex behavioral
  • 30:40traits.
  • 30:41Doctor Polimanti
  • 30:42is one of the recipients
  • 30:43of the Yale Cannabis Research
  • 30:45Center's pilot project award.
  • 30:47His lecture will explore the
  • 30:49neurobiological
  • 30:50mechanism
  • 30:51that distinguish
  • 30:52the cannabis use from cannabis
  • 30:54use from cannabis use disorder
  • 30:56through the integration of genomics
  • 30:58and brain imaging data. The
  • 31:00presentation will highlight how listing
  • 31:03patterns of brain connectivity
  • 31:05and genetic architecture
  • 31:07are associated with cannabis and
  • 31:09cannabis use disorder,
  • 31:10particularly within networks involved in
  • 31:12cognitive control,
  • 31:14salience processing, and default mode,
  • 31:17functioning.
  • 31:18Findings will also examine the
  • 31:19role of neurodevelopmental,
  • 31:21inflammatory, and immune related pathways
  • 31:24in the progression from cannabis
  • 31:25use to problematic use.
  • 31:28Additionally, the talk will discuss
  • 31:30how these discoveries may inform
  • 31:32future therapeutic
  • 31:33strategies, including the identification
  • 31:36of potential drug repurposing candidates
  • 31:39targeting pathways linked to COD.
  • 31:42Doctor Bolimanti,
  • 31:44the floor is yours.
  • 31:46Great.
  • 31:48Thank you so much for
  • 31:49the invite. I'm very happy
  • 31:50to present this project. And
  • 31:52now I should be in
  • 31:53presentation mode,
  • 31:55And so I'm not seeing
  • 31:56anyone right now. Great. Okay.
  • 31:59So,
  • 32:00this is the study that
  • 32:01I'm going to present.
  • 32:03And, again, here are my
  • 32:05competing interest, which are not
  • 32:07related to cannabis
  • 32:08research.
  • 32:09And, this is my group.
  • 32:11Usually, I like to start
  • 32:12with with their picture,
  • 32:14also because, again, they do
  • 32:15most of the work. In
  • 32:16this case, like, most of
  • 32:17the analysis that I'm going
  • 32:19to present were done by
  • 32:20Rapunzel Chen.
  • 32:22And so, like, as mentioned,
  • 32:24like, this study was,
  • 32:26funded by a pilot award,
  • 32:28which, I'm very grateful for.
  • 32:31And,
  • 32:32so before getting started, since
  • 32:34I know how diverse
  • 32:35is the audience attending these
  • 32:37webinars,
  • 32:38I would like to give
  • 32:39you, like, some,
  • 32:41basic concept about
  • 32:43human genetic research, which is
  • 32:45the,
  • 32:46base of the study that,
  • 32:49we did.
  • 32:50And so, like, our starting
  • 32:52step are genome wide association
  • 32:54studies.
  • 32:55These are brute force experiments
  • 32:57and why they are, why
  • 32:59I'm calling them like this
  • 33:00is because we are testing
  • 33:02all the variants across the
  • 33:04genome to find the
  • 33:06associations. And what this means,
  • 33:07it means that we are
  • 33:08finding for variants that are
  • 33:10more frequent.
  • 33:11For example, if exact case
  • 33:13control definition, more frequent in
  • 33:14people with the disease than
  • 33:15people without. In this case,
  • 33:17it would be the SNP
  • 33:19number three where you see
  • 33:20that there are more,
  • 33:23allele
  • 33:23in the case group than
  • 33:25in the control group.
  • 33:27And, again, like, this is
  • 33:28a technology that now has,
  • 33:30I think, almost twenty years
  • 33:33of age.
  • 33:34And, in twenty years,
  • 33:36more than seventy thousand
  • 33:38study have been published, and
  • 33:40more than one million
  • 33:41association
  • 33:42have been reported.
  • 33:44Here is a a plot
  • 33:46from the GWAS catalog for
  • 33:47people that work in human
  • 33:48genetics. This is,
  • 33:50something that people showed all
  • 33:51the time, but, again, it's
  • 33:53it's all looks so what
  • 33:54what you see here is
  • 33:56the chromosome, which is are
  • 33:57these tiny
  • 33:58streams, and then all these
  • 34:00dots are genetic associations. So
  • 34:02you can see here that,
  • 34:04variants are associated with complex
  • 34:06traits are everywhere.
  • 34:08And so, like, because the
  • 34:10architecture of common traits and
  • 34:12disease
  • 34:13is due to,
  • 34:14the contribution of many variants
  • 34:16with very small
  • 34:18effect size. And with respect
  • 34:20to,
  • 34:21what we can do with
  • 34:23this kind of information,
  • 34:24we can use this genetic
  • 34:26association
  • 34:27to investigate both the epidemiology
  • 34:29and then biology
  • 34:30of human traits and disease.
  • 34:32This is another
  • 34:33very famous plot in, in
  • 34:35genetic research. It's a Manhattan
  • 34:37plot. And here on the
  • 34:38x axis, you have, like,
  • 34:40our chromosomes.
  • 34:41And then here, you have,
  • 34:42like, a statistical significance.
  • 34:45The highest
  • 34:46the the the dot here,
  • 34:47the strongest is the statistical
  • 34:49significance, and this each dot
  • 34:51is a is a variant.
  • 34:53And so depending on how
  • 34:54many variants we get,
  • 34:56surviving our multiple testing correction,
  • 34:58which is this banded line,
  • 35:01We can detect, like, information
  • 35:03about which are the pathways
  • 35:05involved in our disease of
  • 35:06interest. We can create a
  • 35:08polygenic risk score to distinguish
  • 35:10case and controls.
  • 35:12We can perform a causal
  • 35:13inference analysis.
  • 35:15We can integrate
  • 35:16other omic domains to understand
  • 35:19how a genetic variance can
  • 35:20lead to the disease
  • 35:22through which molecular mechanism
  • 35:24in the brain or in
  • 35:25other organs,
  • 35:27can affect the disease risk
  • 35:29or conduct multivariable analysis to
  • 35:32understand
  • 35:32how
  • 35:33two traits, two different diseases
  • 35:36that we observe
  • 35:37as comorbid
  • 35:38share genetic,
  • 35:40factors.
  • 35:41So,
  • 35:42with respect to cannabis research,
  • 35:44here are the,
  • 35:45five
  • 35:46large scale
  • 35:48GWAS published in the last
  • 35:50few years. And here you
  • 35:51can see that we have
  • 35:52three for cannabis use and
  • 35:54two for, cannabis use disorder.
  • 35:57And so, like, again, several
  • 35:59of these,
  • 36:00saw, like, Joel Scalenta Group
  • 36:02as the primary,
  • 36:04leader in these studies. And
  • 36:06so what we can do
  • 36:07with this information?
  • 36:08With this information, we can
  • 36:10understand the difference
  • 36:12between
  • 36:13cannabis use and cannabis use
  • 36:14disorder,
  • 36:15how strong is the genetic
  • 36:17overlap between these two, and
  • 36:19how these two
  • 36:20differ in their relationship
  • 36:22with other,
  • 36:23psychiatric
  • 36:24and behavioral
  • 36:25traits. And so this is
  • 36:27another
  • 36:28plot from one of the
  • 36:29study. Again, it's one of
  • 36:30the study which was led
  • 36:32by, Joel Skeleton group. And
  • 36:34you can see here that
  • 36:35we have multiple,
  • 36:37secondary disorders
  • 36:39and other behavioral
  • 36:40phenotypes.
  • 36:41And so this is, an
  • 36:42analysis called a genomic structural
  • 36:44equation modeling. And so it
  • 36:46tries to converge,
  • 36:48con
  • 36:49converge, like, genetic correlation across
  • 36:52these traits
  • 36:53in latent factors that underline
  • 36:56the genetic
  • 36:58relationship among these these different
  • 37:00conditions. And so here I
  • 37:01highlighted the cannabis use disorder
  • 37:04and then cannabis use. You
  • 37:05can see that cannabis use
  • 37:07disorder cluster together other substance
  • 37:09use disorder,
  • 37:10opioid use disorder, alcohol use
  • 37:12disorder.
  • 37:14And we start away from
  • 37:15cannabis use, and cannabis use
  • 37:17cluster
  • 37:18with other traits, like a
  • 37:20number of sexual partner,
  • 37:22smoke initiation,
  • 37:24Townsend Deprivation Inserts, which is
  • 37:26a material deprivation, and they
  • 37:28cluster on this impulsivity,
  • 37:30a risk taking,
  • 37:32factor. And so you can
  • 37:34see here that these two
  • 37:35traits
  • 37:36are partially,
  • 37:38genetically,
  • 37:39correlated. And so here here
  • 37:41you can see, like, the
  • 37:42genetic correlation between the impulsivity
  • 37:44risk taking factor and the
  • 37:45substance dependence
  • 37:47factor, which is about six
  • 37:49point sixty five. And so
  • 37:50you can see how different
  • 37:51they are. And then we
  • 37:53can look up to our
  • 37:54recent preprint
  • 37:55where they increased
  • 37:58the the study
  • 37:59of,
  • 38:01different cannabis trait, including
  • 38:03adverse use of cannabis,
  • 38:05frequency
  • 38:06of use of cannabis, and
  • 38:08cannabis use disorder. And, yeah,
  • 38:09you can see, like, different
  • 38:11trends of this relationship. As
  • 38:13I mentioned, this is the
  • 38:14for example, looking to a
  • 38:16condition and
  • 38:18social,
  • 38:19determinants of health, we have
  • 38:20material deprivation here, and we
  • 38:22can see that there is
  • 38:24a positive genetic correlation, which
  • 38:26is stronger for cannabis use
  • 38:27disorder and less stronger for
  • 38:29cannabis use,
  • 38:31ever
  • 38:32cannabis use, and frequency is
  • 38:34kind of in the middle.
  • 38:35Most of the time, we
  • 38:36we can see that frequency
  • 38:38is
  • 38:39somehow in the middle between
  • 38:41the fact that we see
  • 38:42for cannabis use disorder and
  • 38:43the fact that we see
  • 38:44for ever using cannabis.
  • 38:47But, okay, in some cases,
  • 38:48like, we can see, like,
  • 38:49something that is reversed. For
  • 38:51example, for working memory, we
  • 38:53see, like, a positive genetic
  • 38:55correlation, which is lower
  • 38:57for cannabis use disorder, but
  • 38:59is higher for frequency and
  • 39:01ever use.
  • 39:03Verbal reasoning, we see opposite
  • 39:05collection for ever use and
  • 39:07cannabis use disorder. And so,
  • 39:08like, similar pattern also for
  • 39:10IQ, educational attainment,
  • 39:12income. Again, childhood IQ, we
  • 39:15see, like, it's probably due
  • 39:17to less power, but we
  • 39:18see a similar trend. Reaction
  • 39:20time, the effect is basically
  • 39:21null. With respect to mental
  • 39:24health outcomes,
  • 39:26we can see a similar
  • 39:27trend where the cannabis use
  • 39:29disorder is most strongly,
  • 39:32genetically correlated
  • 39:33with a psychiatric
  • 39:35condition and also, like, negative
  • 39:38mental health outcomes, but we
  • 39:40have some exceptions. For example,
  • 39:42with the autism and the
  • 39:43Noroxera nervosa, it's actually
  • 39:45ever cannabis use that has
  • 39:47stronger genetic relation. So you
  • 39:48we we can see how
  • 39:49these two traits,
  • 39:51are different, and they're different
  • 39:53in their relationship with
  • 39:55other
  • 39:56brain related outcomes. And here,
  • 39:58we can see, like, some
  • 39:59substance use,
  • 40:01use disorder,
  • 40:02phenotypes, and when we look
  • 40:04for dependence,
  • 40:06and,
  • 40:07other
  • 40:08strongly related,
  • 40:10behavioral,
  • 40:11linked to addiction, we can
  • 40:12see that cannabis use disorder
  • 40:14is the most strongly related.
  • 40:17And so, like,
  • 40:19our goal in this study
  • 40:20was to try to understand
  • 40:21better the
  • 40:23brain biology
  • 40:24underlying this difference between cannabis
  • 40:26use disorder and cannabis use.
  • 40:28And to do that, we
  • 40:29use the UK Biobank. This
  • 40:31is a a large quarter
  • 40:33that enrolled more than five
  • 40:35hundred thousand people in the
  • 40:37UK, and they generated the,
  • 40:39brain multimodal brain imaging data,
  • 40:42for for
  • 40:43a large chunk of this
  • 40:44population. In twenty twenty five,
  • 40:46the UK Biobank released
  • 40:49brain,
  • 40:51body, and bone scans for
  • 40:53one hundred thousand volunteers.
  • 40:54In the analysis that I'm
  • 40:55presenting today, we used
  • 40:58a previous release of the
  • 40:59data, which included thirty three
  • 41:01thousand participants
  • 41:03and almost four thousand brain
  • 41:05imaging derived phenotypes
  • 41:07derived from six different brain
  • 41:09modalities that can give us
  • 41:10information about,
  • 41:12variation
  • 41:13in brain structure and function.
  • 41:17And yet we report like
  • 41:18this, this plot about the
  • 41:21genetic component
  • 41:22of these different,
  • 41:24brain imaging phenotype. And so
  • 41:25we have genetic information,
  • 41:28regarding cannabis use disorder, cannabis
  • 41:30use, and genetic information about
  • 41:32these brain imaging phenotypes.
  • 41:35In a previous study,
  • 41:36which was based mostly on
  • 41:38observational,
  • 41:40analysis,
  • 41:42the was the UK Biobank
  • 41:44was used to understand the
  • 41:45difference between,
  • 41:47cannabis users and controls. And
  • 41:49you can see here that
  • 41:50the sample size is much
  • 41:52smaller because the this study
  • 41:54focused mostly on
  • 41:56individuals that have actual information
  • 41:58about
  • 41:59cannabis use. And in this
  • 42:01study, they identified that people
  • 42:03with,
  • 42:04that use cannabis in their
  • 42:05life have lower,
  • 42:07white matter integrity,
  • 42:09higher immunity
  • 42:11in the corpus callosus,
  • 42:13and reduced connectivity
  • 42:15in the default mode and
  • 42:16the same internal executive networks.
  • 42:19And so, like, in this
  • 42:20study,
  • 42:21they use
  • 42:22individual level information to try
  • 42:24to understand the association between
  • 42:26brain variation
  • 42:27and cannabis use. They were
  • 42:29not able to do an
  • 42:30analysis for cannabis use disorder
  • 42:32because cannabis use disorder
  • 42:34doesn't have a high prevalence
  • 42:35in the UK Biobank. We
  • 42:36don't have that that information.
  • 42:38And so in the study
  • 42:41that was funded by this
  • 42:42pilot award,
  • 42:43instead of using information about
  • 42:45individual participants,
  • 42:47we modeled
  • 42:48genetic effects.
  • 42:50Genetic effects,
  • 42:51for related to cannabis use
  • 42:53disorder, to cannabis use, and
  • 42:55to this four thousand brain
  • 42:57imaging phenotypes.
  • 42:59And our first goal was
  • 43:00to understand if there is
  • 43:02a different relationship
  • 43:03between
  • 43:04the genetic effects
  • 43:06linking cannabis use disorder to
  • 43:08brain variation
  • 43:09and those related to cannabis
  • 43:10use.
  • 43:11And then to follow-up this
  • 43:13first analysis, we want to
  • 43:15understand if the biology
  • 43:17underlying this
  • 43:18pleiotropic effect,
  • 43:20effect that are shared between
  • 43:21a brain variation
  • 43:22and this cannabis phenotype
  • 43:25could be targeted by existing
  • 43:27molecular compounds.
  • 43:30And here are some, initial,
  • 43:32results. And so, like, here,
  • 43:34we can see, like, some
  • 43:35statistics
  • 43:36about global genetic correlation. So
  • 43:39correlation
  • 43:40across,
  • 43:41genetic factor in the whole
  • 43:43genome. And here we can
  • 43:44see that
  • 43:46several of these are related
  • 43:47to functional connectivity
  • 43:49and mostly relate to the
  • 43:51default
  • 43:52mode network.
  • 43:54We also see,
  • 43:56like, a white matter,
  • 43:58microstructure
  • 43:59association
  • 44:00in the right superior thalamic
  • 44:02region. And but the important
  • 44:04part here is that this
  • 44:05effect
  • 44:06appears to be specific
  • 44:08with only one of the
  • 44:09two cannabis phenotype. So they
  • 44:11don't appear to be shared.
  • 44:13And so, like, we can
  • 44:14see, for example, like, for
  • 44:15this first brain function, the
  • 44:17effect is specific to cannabis
  • 44:19use disorder, but it's not
  • 44:20present for cannabis use. And
  • 44:22the same things follow the
  • 44:23others. And in the first
  • 44:25and in all these cases,
  • 44:26we can see that the
  • 44:27statistical
  • 44:28difference between the cannabis use
  • 44:30versus cannabis use disorder or
  • 44:32genetic correlation aspect is statistically
  • 44:34significant.
  • 44:35But, again, this is only
  • 44:36the the first step of
  • 44:37our analysis. We wanted to
  • 44:39go deeper. And so what
  • 44:41and here is, like, again,
  • 44:43like,
  • 44:44a a plot about one
  • 44:46of these,
  • 44:47functional connectivity,
  • 44:49phenotypes that we identified.
  • 44:51And this is particularly related
  • 44:52to the fourth mode network.
  • 44:54And, again, if we compare
  • 44:57the, genetic correlation between cannabis
  • 44:59use and cannabis use disorder,
  • 45:00we can see that there
  • 45:01is a strong and statistically
  • 45:03significant
  • 45:04relationship with cannabis use, but
  • 45:06not for cannabis use disorder.
  • 45:08But as I was mentioning,
  • 45:09we wanted to do, a
  • 45:11deeper analysis. And so we
  • 45:13moved from,
  • 45:14a genetic correlation analysis
  • 45:16to a latent causal variable
  • 45:18analysis.
  • 45:18So in this approach, we
  • 45:20try to identify
  • 45:21if the genetic effect
  • 45:24that is shared
  • 45:25between two different phenotypes,
  • 45:28in this case, between
  • 45:30cannabis phenotype and a brain
  • 45:32imaging derived,
  • 45:33phenotype
  • 45:34is due to a latent
  • 45:35causal variable. And if this
  • 45:37causal variable has a full
  • 45:39causal effect,
  • 45:40it could negate partial,
  • 45:42partially this this effect.
  • 45:44And so we run this
  • 45:45analysis, and we were able
  • 45:46to identify additional,
  • 45:50brain imaging phenotypes. And also
  • 45:52in this case,
  • 45:53what we observed is that
  • 45:56each of these,
  • 45:58relationship
  • 45:58was specific to only one
  • 46:00of the cannabis phenotype.
  • 46:02So we found,
  • 46:03genetic relationship
  • 46:05specific
  • 46:06to cannabis use and genetic
  • 46:08relationship
  • 46:09specific to cannabis use disorder.
  • 46:11Also, in this case, there
  • 46:12was,
  • 46:13an overrepresentation
  • 46:14of,
  • 46:16functional connectivity
  • 46:17phenotypes. But we also observed,
  • 46:20like,
  • 46:21cortical thickness
  • 46:22and,
  • 46:23again, white matter,
  • 46:26microstructure,
  • 46:27phenotypes,
  • 46:28again, specifically related to cannabis
  • 46:30use disorder.
  • 46:32Also in this case,
  • 46:33again, I want to show
  • 46:35one of these brain imaging
  • 46:37brain imaging brain imaging phenotype
  • 46:39and specifically one, again, related
  • 46:40to the default,
  • 46:42model network. And in this
  • 46:43case, you can see how
  • 46:45stronger is the relationship with
  • 46:47cannabis use disorder while it's
  • 46:49null for the cannabis use
  • 46:51disorder,
  • 46:52phenotype.
  • 46:55And here is, again, summarizing,
  • 46:57our different genetic relationship that
  • 46:59we observed
  • 47:01with respect to the connectivity
  • 47:03between different networks.
  • 47:04And so, like, we have
  • 47:06different,
  • 47:07nodes and the edge that
  • 47:08we identified.
  • 47:10And so, like, again, color
  • 47:12coding based on if these
  • 47:14were genetic
  • 47:15correlation
  • 47:16or if these
  • 47:17were,
  • 47:18genetic
  • 47:19genetically causal proportion. So potential
  • 47:22causal relationship within,
  • 47:25the BRAIN imaging phenotype and
  • 47:27one of the phenotype. As
  • 47:28you can see, as I
  • 47:29mentioned, like, we observe both
  • 47:32differences
  • 47:32between the two, cannabis phenotype,
  • 47:34cannabis use versus cannabis use
  • 47:37disorder. But, also, we observe
  • 47:39that there are differences between,
  • 47:40like, the
  • 47:42genetic,
  • 47:44correlation,
  • 47:45the phenotypes identified by the
  • 47:46genetic correlation and the phenotypes
  • 47:48identified
  • 47:49by the Ladd and Kousser
  • 47:50variables. So those phenotype with
  • 47:52genetically Kousser proportion.
  • 47:55And so to follow-up even
  • 47:57more,
  • 47:59this analysis,
  • 48:00we decided to do a
  • 48:01local genetic correlation analysis. In
  • 48:04particular, we want to do
  • 48:05this because,
  • 48:06to follow-up on the possible
  • 48:08causal relationship identified in our
  • 48:11study, we also performed
  • 48:12Mendelian randomization approach. This is
  • 48:15another,
  • 48:16genetically informed causal inference method,
  • 48:19and we didn't find consistent
  • 48:20between the latent causal variable
  • 48:22analysis
  • 48:23and the,
  • 48:24Mendelian randomization results.
  • 48:27So we politicized
  • 48:28that there may be specific
  • 48:30loci
  • 48:31that
  • 48:32are linking
  • 48:33brain variation with one of
  • 48:35these gamma disc phenotype.
  • 48:37And we identified
  • 48:38five different region in the
  • 48:40genome where we observed
  • 48:42this local genetic correlation.
  • 48:45In this case, again, if
  • 48:46we consider only results that
  • 48:48survive,
  • 48:49false discovery rate, multiple testing
  • 48:51correction, we can see that
  • 48:52there is some specificity.
  • 48:54But in this case, we
  • 48:55also identified that there may
  • 48:57be some overlap
  • 48:59that link the same region,
  • 49:01to the other cannabis phenotype
  • 49:04in relation to one other
  • 49:06of the functional connectivity phenotype.
  • 49:08Also, one thing that I
  • 49:09want to highlight that
  • 49:11the brain imaging phenotype that
  • 49:13we identified,
  • 49:15in the local genetic correlation
  • 49:17analysis were all related to
  • 49:18functional connectivity.
  • 49:20And some of these,
  • 49:21were
  • 49:23interesting with respect to brain
  • 49:24biology.
  • 49:26For example,
  • 49:27in in some in for
  • 49:30the ENPP
  • 49:31six gene
  • 49:32is involved in the,
  • 49:34neurogenesis.
  • 49:36The
  • 49:38gene is involved in axon
  • 49:41guidance.
  • 49:42The SMHC
  • 49:43two,
  • 49:44gene is involved in neurogenesis.
  • 49:48The LHPP
  • 49:49and the FAM fifty three
  • 49:51b gene are both genes
  • 49:52that were previously identified in
  • 49:55large scale,
  • 49:56genome wide analysis of other,
  • 49:59substance use disorder. For example,
  • 50:01the FAM fifty two b
  • 50:03gene was identified in a
  • 50:04coven dependence
  • 50:06GWAS.
  • 50:07The LHPP
  • 50:09gene was identified
  • 50:10in a study investigating risk
  • 50:12taking behavior
  • 50:13with respect in the context
  • 50:14of,
  • 50:15alcohol dependence.
  • 50:17But again, like,
  • 50:19here, we can see there
  • 50:20are many other genes. And
  • 50:21so, like, there may be
  • 50:22other kind of, like,
  • 50:25dynamics
  • 50:25that go beyond
  • 50:27specific brain biology
  • 50:29that could link
  • 50:30brain variation
  • 50:32to, one of these kind
  • 50:33of this phenotype.
  • 50:35And so,
  • 50:37we try to do also
  • 50:38a colocalization
  • 50:39analysis to identify if there
  • 50:41was a specific variant in
  • 50:43this region
  • 50:44that was adding causal effect
  • 50:46on both
  • 50:47brain imaging variation
  • 50:50and the cannabis phenotype, and
  • 50:51we didn't see that. So
  • 50:53there wasn't a single causal
  • 50:54variant
  • 50:55underlying
  • 50:56this local genetic correlation.
  • 50:59We also didn't see a
  • 51:00mediate petrioplaiotomy.
  • 51:02At least, we didn't see
  • 51:03strong evidence of it because
  • 51:04of the, null results that
  • 51:07we observe in the Mendelian
  • 51:08normalization.
  • 51:09In this case, we don't
  • 51:11expect,
  • 51:12to, be biased by misclassification
  • 51:16because, actually, we are observing
  • 51:17two different dynamic between cannabis
  • 51:19use and cannabis use disorder.
  • 51:21So the misclassification
  • 51:23should have increased the likelihood
  • 51:25to see,
  • 51:26convergence between two different phenotype.
  • 51:29And so what we expect
  • 51:31is that pleiotropic mechanism
  • 51:33linking brain variation
  • 51:35to cannabis,
  • 51:37phenotypes
  • 51:38should be, due to different
  • 51:40type of a pleiotropy. To
  • 51:41a pleiotropy where
  • 51:43a variance located
  • 51:45in the
  • 51:46same genes or in two
  • 51:48different genes
  • 51:49in strong link and disequilibrium
  • 51:52may be,
  • 51:53responsible for the pleiotropy that
  • 51:55we are observing. And so
  • 51:57to further investigate this,
  • 51:59we did a gene ontology
  • 52:01analysis. And so what are
  • 52:03gene ontologies?
  • 52:04Gene ontologies are is a
  • 52:05classification
  • 52:06to categorize,
  • 52:08loci depending on,
  • 52:11which processes
  • 52:12they play a role in,
  • 52:14where
  • 52:15the gene products are expressed,
  • 52:17or what type of action
  • 52:18they do. And so, like,
  • 52:19there are three main categories,
  • 52:21biological processes, molecular function, and
  • 52:24cellular components.
  • 52:25And so we run these
  • 52:27gene ontology analysis,
  • 52:29identified,
  • 52:30more than five hundred
  • 52:32gene ontology terms surviving
  • 52:34a strict Bonferroni,
  • 52:37significance.
  • 52:37And these were shared across
  • 52:40cannabis use, cannabis use disorder,
  • 52:43and the pleiotropic brain imaging
  • 52:45phenotype. And here is the
  • 52:47distribution across the three different
  • 52:48categories,
  • 52:49biological processes, molecular function, and
  • 52:52cellular components.
  • 52:53Of course, in these five
  • 52:54hundred
  • 52:56geotems,
  • 52:56we identified
  • 52:58several
  • 52:59that were related to brain
  • 53:00biology.
  • 53:01But the things that was
  • 53:03interesting is that the, top
  • 53:06terms,
  • 53:07for both,
  • 53:08cannabis use and cannabis use
  • 53:10disorder
  • 53:11were related to immune functions.
  • 53:13Specifically, for cannabis use, the
  • 53:15top
  • 53:17genotype terms were related to
  • 53:19regulation of inflammatory
  • 53:21response
  • 53:21and cell activation
  • 53:23involved in immune response.
  • 53:25And for cannabis use disorder,
  • 53:27the top terms were apoptotic
  • 53:29signaling pathway and leukocyte differentiation.
  • 53:32We also identified
  • 53:34some gene ontology that were
  • 53:35specific
  • 53:36to cannabis use and the
  • 53:38pleiotropic
  • 53:39brain imaging derived phenotypes, but
  • 53:41but they were not shared
  • 53:42with cannabis use disorder. And
  • 53:44in this case, we found,
  • 53:45like, things that are linked
  • 53:47to brain biology and in
  • 53:48particularly about cell communication
  • 53:50and
  • 53:51synapse
  • 53:52assembly.
  • 53:54And so like what we
  • 53:55want to do next is
  • 53:57to try to understand if
  • 53:58these
  • 53:59molecular pathways and molecular function,
  • 54:01biological processes, and cellular component
  • 54:04could give us some insight
  • 54:06about
  • 54:07molecular compounds that could target
  • 54:11this,
  • 54:12pleiotropic mechanism linking brain variation
  • 54:14with canary spenotype. So what
  • 54:16we did was
  • 54:17a genetically inform drug report
  • 54:19processing analysis. And specifically, what
  • 54:22we did
  • 54:23was
  • 54:24using these
  • 54:25pathways and
  • 54:26try to identify if,
  • 54:30non molecular compounds and in
  • 54:32particular, their transcriptomic profiles was
  • 54:35somehow,
  • 54:36statistically matching what we were
  • 54:38observing with respect to,
  • 54:40the genetically
  • 54:42regulated mechanism led to this
  • 54:44plaiotomy.
  • 54:45And this is what we
  • 54:46found. And so we identified
  • 54:48different compounds,
  • 54:50and, we did the analysis
  • 54:52stratified by different type of
  • 54:53gene ontologies. And so we
  • 54:55did, one analysis for biological
  • 54:57processes, one analysis for molecular
  • 54:59function, and one analysis for
  • 55:01cellular components.
  • 55:02So, of course,
  • 55:04there is some kind of,
  • 55:05like, relationship
  • 55:06across these three these three
  • 55:08different,
  • 55:09categories, so they are not
  • 55:11completely independent.
  • 55:13But the fact that for
  • 55:14most of the genes, we
  • 55:16observe consistent evidence
  • 55:18across different gene ontology category
  • 55:21further support the reliability
  • 55:23of the results.
  • 55:24Interestingly,
  • 55:26we identified different type of
  • 55:28of of drugs. And so
  • 55:30for example, the,
  • 55:32methylated benzatholium
  • 55:33chloride
  • 55:34is an antiseptic.
  • 55:36The zinc cocaine
  • 55:38is an anesthetics.
  • 55:40And so, like, there are,
  • 55:42Danazole
  • 55:43and Raloxifen
  • 55:45that are in.
  • 55:46Modulator,
  • 55:47there is a
  • 55:49antidepressant
  • 55:50that is con currently was,
  • 55:52recently,
  • 55:53discontinued,
  • 55:54maprotrelin.
  • 55:56And so, like, you can
  • 55:57see there are different kind
  • 55:58of, like,
  • 56:00molecular compounds
  • 56:02that appears to target
  • 56:04this pleiotropic mechanism that we
  • 56:05identified between canopy sphenotype
  • 56:08and brain variation.
  • 56:10And so, like, here is
  • 56:12kind of, like, a summary
  • 56:14of the
  • 56:15key method key findings from
  • 56:17this study. We identified that,
  • 56:20there are distinct brain connectivity
  • 56:22patterns,
  • 56:23related to cannabis use versus
  • 56:25cannabis use disorder.
  • 56:27The pleiotropy of this cannabis
  • 56:29phenotype with brain variation doesn't
  • 56:31seem to be due to
  • 56:32causal relationship,
  • 56:33but actually, it could be
  • 56:35due to local genetic correlation
  • 56:37driven by shared pathway and
  • 56:39not by specific causal variants
  • 56:41that have effect on both
  • 56:43brain variation and cannabis phenotypes.
  • 56:46We saw an arrangement for
  • 56:48immune pathways, and so this
  • 56:50may open new direction in
  • 56:51cannabis
  • 56:52research. And, also, we found
  • 56:54some evidence
  • 56:55supporting
  • 56:56that brain imaging
  • 56:58integrated in brain imaging with
  • 57:00a genetically informed drug repurposing
  • 57:03analysis
  • 57:04could uncover
  • 57:05new dark targets for for
  • 57:07cannabis,
  • 57:08treatments.
  • 57:09And with respect to what
  • 57:11we are doing now,
  • 57:13currently, we are,
  • 57:14working on the much larger
  • 57:16expanded
  • 57:17UK Biobank brain imaging. So
  • 57:19moving from thirty three thousand
  • 57:21individuals to one hundred thousand
  • 57:23individuals to understand better
  • 57:25the relationship of the polygenic
  • 57:27risk of cannabis use disorder
  • 57:29and cannabis use on different
  • 57:32brain wide,
  • 57:34patterns. And so, like, the
  • 57:35goal is to identify
  • 57:37a mechanism
  • 57:38that are
  • 57:39both
  • 57:40specific
  • 57:41for one of these cannabis
  • 57:42phenotype, but also those that
  • 57:44are shared. And because of
  • 57:45the larger sample size, we
  • 57:46also would be able to
  • 57:48investigate
  • 57:48better,
  • 57:50potential sex differences, which we
  • 57:52didn't do in this initial
  • 57:54study. Another aspect that,
  • 57:56we would like to expand
  • 57:58is to understand
  • 58:00how single,
  • 58:02cell specific mechanism
  • 58:04may play a role
  • 58:05in linking,
  • 58:07brain variation to cannabis use
  • 58:09disorder and cannabis use. And
  • 58:11so we are going to
  • 58:12perform a transcriptome
  • 58:14wide analysis
  • 58:15to understand
  • 58:16how,
  • 58:17genetically regulated transcriptomic changes
  • 58:19can be associated
  • 58:21to brain variation and to
  • 58:23cannabis phenotype.
  • 58:24Also, because we identified some,
  • 58:27drugs that are currently used,
  • 58:29We are planning,
  • 58:31target trial elimination in the
  • 58:32robust research program, which include
  • 58:34around ten thousand cases of
  • 58:36cannabis use disorder to see
  • 58:38which are the,
  • 58:40outcome associated
  • 58:43among the people that you're
  • 58:44already using are already using
  • 58:46these drugs,
  • 58:47with respect to,
  • 58:48and also affected by cannabis
  • 58:50use disorder.
  • 58:52Again, I I need to
  • 58:53thank, like, my group and,
  • 58:54again, for
  • 58:56leading this analysis,
  • 58:58the Yale Center for, the
  • 59:00Science of Cannabis and Cannabinoids
  • 59:01for giving us this pilot
  • 59:03award, and I'm happy to
  • 59:04take any question.
  • 59:07Excellent work. Thank you very
  • 59:08much. We have very little
  • 59:10time,
  • 59:11if there is any
  • 59:15questions?
  • 59:17No?
  • 59:19Okay. Just one question I
  • 59:21have. Yeah. I I've seen
  • 59:23in your, initial background section,
  • 59:26in your results that for
  • 59:27some reason, there was a
  • 59:28negative,
  • 59:29association with,
  • 59:31ASD spectrum.
  • 59:33I mean, this is in
  • 59:34the context of some studies
  • 59:36suggesting that targeting the endocannabinoid
  • 59:39system may may be beneficial
  • 59:41for ASD.
  • 59:42So it's curious that, none
  • 59:44of these people are self
  • 59:45medicating.
  • 59:48Also, their,
  • 59:49potential,
  • 59:50shared,
  • 59:51neuroinflammatory
  • 59:52profile.
  • 59:54So I wonder whether you
  • 59:55have Yeah. No. That's that's
  • 59:56a good point. And when
  • 59:57I when I was putting
  • 59:58together,
  • 59:59these these slides, I was
  • 01:00:01also interested about this,
  • 01:00:02again, because all this more
  • 01:00:04the relationship between the autism
  • 01:00:06and this cannabis phenotype was
  • 01:00:08different from other secondary disorders.
  • 01:00:10There is also, like,
  • 01:00:12one possible aspect,
  • 01:00:14that, like, people with the
  • 01:00:16old ishmm,
  • 01:00:17they may have more risk
  • 01:00:19at birth, and this could
  • 01:00:20lead, like, to less exposure.
  • 01:00:22But I've also, like, there
  • 01:00:23could be other molecular mechanisms
  • 01:00:25that are underlying this relationship.
  • 01:00:26So, like, I think that
  • 01:00:28there is need for more
  • 01:00:29more studies about autism
  • 01:00:31and cannabis to understand that
  • 01:00:32there could be some treatment,
  • 01:00:34or it is simply driven
  • 01:00:35by population dynamics that affect,
  • 01:00:37like, the participants that are
  • 01:00:39enrolled
  • 01:00:39and things like that.
  • 01:00:41Yeah. Also because of the
  • 01:00:42shared potential neuroinflammatory
  • 01:00:44profile is well studied in
  • 01:00:46one and is now emerging
  • 01:00:47in calories.
  • 01:00:50Okay. So that's my question.
  • 01:00:52If there is no other
  • 01:00:53question
  • 01:00:56Yes. Thanks, both, Renato and,
  • 01:00:59Rachel for wonderful talks. I'm
  • 01:01:01I'm sure I'll reach out
  • 01:01:02to you all. I have
  • 01:01:03some ideas that I'd like
  • 01:01:05to talk about. Thanks.
  • 01:01:07Appreciate it. Thank you. Ex
  • 01:01:08excellent,
  • 01:01:09Tom. Thank you very much,
  • 01:01:10everyone.
  • 01:01:11Thank you. Bye. Have a
  • 01:01:12good day.