Melanoma/Skin Cancer Awareness Month
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- 00:00Funding for Yale Cancer Answers is
- 00:02provided by Smilow Cancer Hospital.
- 00:07Welcome to Yale Cancer Answers
- 00:09with Doctor Anees Chagpar.
- 00:10Yale Cancer Answers features the
- 00:12latest information on cancer care
- 00:14by welcoming oncologists and
- 00:16specialists who are on the forefront
- 00:18of the battle to fight cancer.
- 00:20This week it's a conversation
- 00:21about Melanoma and other skin
- 00:23cancers with doctor Christine Ko.
- 00:25Doctor Ko is a professor of
- 00:27dermatology and pathology at the
- 00:29Yale School of Medicine.
- 00:30Where Doctor Chagpar is a
- 00:32professor of surgical oncology.
- 00:34So Christine, maybe we can start off
- 00:36by you telling us a little bit more
- 00:38about yourself and what it is you do.
- 00:41Yes, I'm a dermatologist and
- 00:44dermatopathologist, so a lot of people
- 00:46might understand what a dermatologist is.
- 00:47But just in case, a dermatologist
- 00:50is a physician who studies and
- 00:52examines patients skin, hair, and nails.
- 00:55Sort of the outer part of your
- 00:58body and your scalp and your nails.
- 01:01And a dermatopathologist is
- 01:02someone who looks at tissue,
- 01:05so the tissue from your
- 01:07scalp, hair, nails,
- 01:08under the microscope.
- 01:11So if you've ever gone to a doctor and
- 01:13had a piece of your skin taken off,
- 01:15which is called a biopsy,
- 01:16and had that sent to a laboratory,
- 01:18and then you get a report back,
- 01:19that report was created by a
- 01:21dermatopathologist or sometimes
- 01:22a pathologist without specialized
- 01:24expertise in the skin.
- 01:25But those are the two main things that I do.
- 01:28So you do both.
- 01:30You're a dermatologist and a
- 01:32dermatopathologist, is that right?
- 01:33That's fantastic.
- 01:36So tell us a bit more about skin cancers.
- 01:40I mean, it seems like you do skin
- 01:44cancer all the time and we're now
- 01:47celebrating Skin Cancer Awareness Month.
- 01:49Talk a little bit about what that
- 01:51landscape kind of looks like in terms
- 01:54of how common are skin cancers.
- 01:56What's the most common type
- 01:58of skin cancer we see and how
- 02:01is that diagnosed and treated?
- 02:04Yes. So skin cancer is really important
- 02:07because one in five Americans will have
- 02:10a skin cancer by the time they're 70.
- 02:13So that's 20%. And so in a nuclear family
- 02:17that may typically be that one of those
- 02:22people will have a skin cancer.
- 02:24The most common type of skin
- 02:26cancer is basal cell carcinoma.
- 02:28And I know that's a lot of words.
- 02:30It's 3 words.
- 02:31But I abbreviate it to my patients and
- 02:33we abbreviate it among doctors too.
- 02:35We just call it B like boy, and 2 C's, BCC.
- 02:39And so you can call it that
- 02:41even as a patient, BCC.
- 02:43And so that's BCC is the most
- 02:45common skin cancer for Americans,
- 02:48especially lighter or
- 02:50fairer skinned Americans.
- 02:52And that usually presents,
- 02:54as we call it, pearly.
- 02:57It might look a little shiny or
- 03:00that kind of oyster like Translucence,
- 03:02if you think of shellfish with
- 03:05sort of blood vessels like red
- 03:07little lines going through it.
- 03:09And one thing that I often tell my patients
- 03:12is that it can bleed relatively easily.
- 03:14Like you're just sort of
- 03:15washing your face or
- 03:17it gets brushed with your clothing
- 03:19or something and it
- 03:21bleeds a tiny bit or sometimes a lot.
- 03:23So that's the most common skin cancer.
- 03:25The one cancer that of the
- 03:27skin that a lot of people are
- 03:30more familiar with is Melanoma.
- 03:32And I think that's because of
- 03:34really good skin cancer campaigns.
- 03:36And people know that it's often a dark
- 03:38spot and it might be changing or it
- 03:40might be a little irregular in shape.
- 03:42And that also I think people are aware
- 03:45of because it can really affect
- 03:47even younger individuals,
- 03:49in their 20s and above.
- 03:51So it can affect all ages and
- 03:53it can be deadly.
- 03:55So I think for good reason
- 03:57there have been awareness campaigns
- 03:58and people are becoming more and
- 04:00more familiar with Melanoma.
- 04:02And so let's talk a little bit
- 04:05about each of those in turn,
- 04:07maybe starting with Melanoma
- 04:09since that's the most deadly.
- 04:12Tell us a bit more about
- 04:14what are the risk factors
- 04:16for developing Melanoma,
- 04:17is there a screening protocol
- 04:20that people should follow,
- 04:23who should follow it and so on?
- 04:26Yes. So Melanoma is one of
- 04:28the most deadly skin cancers.
- 04:31There are others that are much more
- 04:33rare like Merkel cell carcinoma,
- 04:34so I won't talk about those.
- 04:36But Melanoma skin cancer screening programs,
- 04:40the general recommendation is for
- 04:43each individual person to look at
- 04:46your skin to do a self skin exam,
- 04:48just like women and men are told
- 04:51to do breast exams on themselves.
- 04:54And so a skin exam actually I tell my patients,
- 04:56is relatively easy once you get used to it.
- 05:00And all you really have to do is
- 05:02ideally have a full length mirror
- 05:03but a waist up one
- 05:05will do if that's all you have.
- 05:07And when you come out of the shower or bath,
- 05:10maybe choose the 1st of the month or
- 05:12the last of the month or
- 05:13the 15th or whatever day works for you.
- 05:16And ideally, once a month,
- 05:18just look at your skin, all of it,
- 05:21including the genital area.
- 05:22It's a little harder for women,
- 05:23but we can take a mirror and look
- 05:26at the genital area as well and
- 05:28get used to what spots you really have.
- 05:31Some people have very few,
- 05:32Some people have a lot and just
- 05:34get used to it and anything that
- 05:36looks a little weird to you,
- 05:37ask your doctor about it.
- 05:39So that's a big component.
- 05:40I think I advocate that
- 05:42people do self skin exams.
- 05:44The other thing you can do is you can
- 05:46go to your doctor or your dermatologist
- 05:49and have the physician do a skin
- 05:52exam in which ideally they would look
- 05:54at every single part of your body.
- 05:57So I will examine under the hair,
- 06:00you know, between the hairs.
- 06:01If I can do it,
- 06:02I will tell people to
- 06:04enlist the hairdresser's help if
- 06:05they go to a hairdresser or Barber.
- 06:08For people that have a good
- 06:09healthy amount of hair,
- 06:10it can be hard to look in
- 06:12between all of that hair,
- 06:13and it's easier when it's wet.
- 06:15So I'll ask people if they do go to
- 06:17a Barber or hairdresser
- 06:19if they ever notice anything,
- 06:20ask them to take a photo,
- 06:22kind of have a general sense of where it is,
- 06:24and they can even upload that photo to me
- 06:27in an electronic medical record.
- 06:30And so then ideally the physician
- 06:32will look under the hair,
- 06:35in between the hair, the rest of the body,
- 06:37the general nails,
- 06:38bottoms of the feet,
- 06:40so the socks and shoes come off as well.
- 06:46Thank you for that really
- 06:49thorough description because I think
- 06:52that well many of us may have heard,
- 06:54yeah, we should look at our skin.
- 06:57We don't really think about
- 06:59some of those other areas.
- 07:00Taking a mirror and looking
- 07:03at the genital area is something that
- 07:05a lot of people may not think about,
- 07:08especially because so much of us
- 07:11think about skin cancers and Melanoma
- 07:13as being related to sun exposure.
- 07:16So in that area, if you haven't
- 07:19gone skinny dipping for a while,
- 07:22it generally isn't exposed to sunlight,
- 07:24but is it still at risk for Melanoma?
- 07:27Yes, absolutely.
- 07:28I'm glad that you made that comment
- 07:31because often my patients and
- 07:34friends, family who talk to me
- 07:36about skin and skin cancer and
- 07:37how and when they should
- 07:40be looking at their own skin,
- 07:41they often say,
- 07:43but I don't go to nude beaches
- 07:45or I don't go skinny dipping.
- 07:47And absolutely it's a myth and
- 07:51that misconception comes from partial truth,
- 07:54which is often the case.
- 07:56Ultraviolet light,
- 07:57sunlight, is a major contributor to
- 08:00skin cancer and that's a major reason
- 08:03why fairer skin or lighter skin,
- 08:05especially skin types that
- 08:07burn and virtually don't tan,
- 08:10they burn and then they go
- 08:12back to the fair skin that they
- 08:14had before the burn and they
- 08:16don't really become significantly
- 08:17darker or tan in any way.
- 08:19That's the highest risk skin type
- 08:21for skin cancer because there's
- 08:23essentially no melanin pigment.
- 08:25Melanin is the
- 08:26Pigment in the skin that
- 08:28creates color that can create a tan and
- 08:31with virtually no protection from melanin
- 08:33you are at highest risk for skin
- 08:36cancer compared to skin that's has
- 08:38more melanin in it, but ultraviolet
- 08:41light is not the
- 08:44only risk factor and another risk
- 08:47factor is for example human papilloma
- 08:50virus and
- 08:54I think that can make sense.
- 08:56The way I often translate it to patients is
- 08:58you know that cervical cancer or a
- 09:00lot of people understand that and
- 09:02they know about vaccination of
- 09:04younger kids and even up to age 45
- 09:07against HPV virus to prevent
- 09:09cervical cancer as well as other
- 09:11especially genital cancers and oral
- 09:13cancers that are related to HPV virus.
- 09:15But it's same for the skin.
- 09:17And so that genital area or the
- 09:19sort of near genital area,
- 09:20a risk factor is human papilloma
- 09:23virus.
- 09:25And so that can be a reason why you
- 09:27may have never gone to a nude beach,
- 09:29but you can have skin cancer
- 09:30in that area as well.
- 09:34So does HPV vaccine protect you
- 09:36against skin cancers in that area?
- 09:40Yes, I think it can.
- 09:41And so one thing for example is that
- 09:45transplant patients who are
- 09:47immunosuppressed because,
- 09:48you know, to help them not
- 09:51reject the transplanted organ,
- 09:52they are at higher risk of skin cancer
- 09:54as well as other cancers due to that
- 09:57suppression of the immune system that's
- 09:59appropriate to keep the
- 10:01transplanted organ doing well.
- 10:03But especially patients with sort of darker,
- 10:07higher skin types,
- 10:08they have higher risk of skin cancer
- 10:11in those sort of more sun protected
- 10:13areas and it is thought to be
- 10:15because of human papilloma virus.
- 10:17And there are efforts to see if
- 10:20vaccination against HPV can reduce
- 10:22skin cancers in that population.
- 10:24So yes, you're absolutely right that
- 10:27HPV induced skin cancers should be
- 10:29prevented as well from the HPV vaccine.
- 10:33Interesting. So you mentioned
- 10:36that people with darker skin with
- 10:40more melanin are more likely to
- 10:44get these HPV type skin cancers.
- 10:49Do we see other differences based
- 10:52on race or or skin color in terms
- 10:56of how skin cancers present?
- 11:00Yes, that's a great question.
- 11:02I'm not sure that they're more susceptible
- 11:05to HPV induced cancers if they have
- 11:07darker skin or you know higher type skin.
- 11:10But just that since they have fewer
- 11:14skin cancers in sun exposed areas,
- 11:17that is an important
- 11:19place to check for higher and
- 11:21darker skin types including mine.
- 11:23So but what I would say is,
- 11:27that there are major differences
- 11:30and so another major difference is
- 11:34that higher or darker skin types and
- 11:36I say higher because we kind of have a
- 11:39Fitzpatrick skin color scale which kind
- 11:42of gives you a number for the skin color,
- 11:46the skin type that you have and
- 11:49lightest or fairest is close to 0
- 11:52Melanin and pigment.
- 11:53That color that makes brown in the
- 11:55skin or tan in the skin is A1.
- 11:57And then the higher skin type is
- 11:596 it goes up to six is darker skin,
- 12:02the darkest that has the most melanin in it.
- 12:05And it's also based on how your
- 12:07skin reacts to sunlight.
- 12:08So if you basically burn and hardly
- 12:11really tan at all don't get darker,
- 12:13you're a one.
- 12:14And if you essentially never,
- 12:16never ever burn,
- 12:17but you do get a little darker from the
- 12:19sun that's a six and in the middle 3-4,
- 12:21it's like you generally tan
- 12:22but you can burn.
- 12:24And so that's the scale
- 12:25that I'm talking about and why
- 12:27I'll say higher skin types.
- 12:28And so if you have higher skin types
- 12:31we'll think like 4-5 and six,
- 12:35you tend to get Melanoma for example
- 12:39under your nails more so than if
- 12:41you have lower skin types or on the
- 12:43bottoms of the feet or on the palms
- 12:46or you know for example in that
- 12:48genital area as we talked about.
- 12:50So I really emphasize to my patients
- 12:52with higher skin types to definitely
- 12:55definitely look in those areas as well.
- 12:57And so I think that sort of myth
- 13:01or misconception that it's sun
- 13:03exposed areas may also contribute
- 13:06to the statistics that we know
- 13:07that are true that patients with
- 13:09higher skin types often have their
- 13:12skin cancers not often,
- 13:13but maybe can have for sure their skin
- 13:16cancers detected later than fair skin types.
- 13:20And I think it might be because
- 13:21of that myth or misconception that
- 13:23people don't think you can have
- 13:25a skin cancer under your nail or
- 13:27on the bottom of your feet,
- 13:28which generally isn't being
- 13:29exposed to the sun either,
- 13:31or the genital perigenital area.
- 13:34Yeah, I was going to ask you that
- 13:35question in terms of
- 13:37the fact that we simply don't
- 13:38think to check in those areas.
- 13:40So that may contribute to
- 13:42these being picked up later.
- 13:44We are going to continue this very
- 13:46interesting conversation right after we
- 13:48take a short break for a medical minute.
- 13:51Please stay tuned to learn more about
- 13:53the care of patients with Melanoma
- 13:54and other skin cancers in honor of
- 13:57Melanoma and skin cancer awareness Month
- 13:59with my guest Doctor Christine Ko.
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- 14:13Melanoma and other skin cancers.
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- 15:13Welcome
- 15:14back to Yale Cancer Answers.
- 15:15This is Doctor Anees Chagpar,
- 15:17and I'm joined tonight by my guest,
- 15:19Doctor Christine Ko.
- 15:20We're talking about the care of patients with
- 15:24Melanoma and other skin cancers in honor of
- 15:27Melanoma and Skin Cancer Awareness Month.
- 15:29Now, right before the break, Christine,
- 15:31you were mentioning that some people,
- 15:34particularly those who
- 15:36have higher skin types,
- 15:38that is to say darker skin with more melanin,
- 15:43tend to get fewer skin cancers,
- 15:45but may have proportionately more in
- 15:48places that people often don't look.
- 15:51So under the nails,
- 15:53the bottom of the feet,
- 15:54the genital areas.
- 15:56Non skin exposed areas that
- 15:58still can get skin cancers.
- 16:01And so really important for people to
- 16:03look because one of the very important
- 16:06points that I think you made right
- 16:09as we were going to break was that
- 16:11these can be found at a later stage.
- 16:16And so the question that
- 16:18then leads into is
- 16:20can you talk a little bit more
- 16:22about the treatment algorithms
- 16:24for treating Melanoma?
- 16:26Stage is something that we'll use to
- 16:28refer to how advanced a cancer is.
- 16:31And really the goal of I think
- 16:35physicians, dermatologists,
- 16:36anyone who deals with cancer is to
- 16:40detect it as early as possible and
- 16:42so that you have early stage cancer,
- 16:45people might be more
- 16:47familiar with breast cancer.
- 16:48But same thing applies to
- 16:50Melanoma or other cancers.
- 16:51And stage one cancer or even
- 16:54to stage zero
- 16:57is the best to have rather than
- 16:59stage 4 which means that you have
- 17:02cancer that has spread and so Melanoma
- 17:04can definitely be stage 4, stage 3,
- 17:07these higher stages that suggest that
- 17:10you're going to have a worse prognosis
- 17:13meaning that cancer really
- 17:15might affect the course of your life.
- 17:17And so ideally when we catch skin cancer
- 17:20including Melanoma at stage zero,
- 17:22stage 1 or even stage two,
- 17:24we can cure the patient.
- 17:27Usually the best way is just to cut it out.
- 17:31And so it sort of
- 17:34comes down to math, right?
- 17:36If you imagine something smaller,
- 17:39it's much easier to cut it
- 17:40out no matter where it is,
- 17:42even if it's in a sensitive area.
- 17:44Like the genital area and the bigger it is,
- 17:48the harder it is to cut
- 17:49that larger thing out.
- 17:51So excision or cutting something out
- 17:53is the main way we treat things and
- 17:56it works often very well and many,
- 17:58many people have a cure.
- 17:59And so I'll often tell people that,
- 18:01for example BCC,
- 18:02the basal cell carcinoma that
- 18:04we mentioned in the first part,
- 18:06that often is cured very easily,
- 18:08relatively easily compared to other
- 18:11skin cancers with a simple excision.
- 18:13And people do very well.
- 18:14And so it's the best cancer to
- 18:16have is what I'll tell patients
- 18:18if you have to have one.
- 18:20Melanoma often can also be
- 18:22cured with excision.
- 18:23Other ways especially for
- 18:25higher stages is
- 18:28newer modalities,
- 18:29there's been an explosion,
- 18:31a really wonderful explosion in
- 18:33cancer treatment for all cancers,
- 18:35but also including Melanoma.
- 18:36And we used to not have great
- 18:39treatments for advanced stage Melanoma,
- 18:41stage 3 or stage 4.
- 18:43But increasingly we have new
- 18:46treatments including something
- 18:47called BRAF inhibitor treatment,
- 18:50also MECH inhibitor treatment.
- 18:52And they all have fancy names
- 18:55but the important thing to remember
- 18:58is that increasingly with help of
- 19:01researchers and scientists and
- 19:03physicians who dedicate their time
- 19:05to research as well in laboratories
- 19:08that there are molecular alterations,
- 19:11there's alterations on that inside
- 19:14cell level that are detected.
- 19:16And so for Melanoma,
- 19:17an example is a BRAF mutation,
- 19:20BRAF is a particular gene
- 19:22in our genetic code that can
- 19:24be changed in skin cancer,
- 19:26in Melanoma and a drug
- 19:28targets that
- 19:30particular BRAF mutation.
- 19:32And so we have these advances
- 19:34that can do wonders even with
- 19:37stage 4 with metastatic Melanoma.
- 19:39And so I would just say work
- 19:42carefully and closely
- 19:43with your oncologist and
- 19:45you'll see that oftentimes there
- 19:47can be really great treatments.
- 19:48So you know, when you talk about these
- 19:51fancy drugs that are
- 19:54inhibitors of various mutations,
- 19:56it certainly sounds a lot like
- 19:59the precision medicine that
- 20:01we've talked about on this show
- 20:03previously for other cancers.
- 20:05Can you tell us a little bit more
- 20:08about how common these mutations are
- 20:10in Melanoma because it's still the
- 20:13perception of many that Melanoma is
- 20:15the most deadly skin cancer.
- 20:18But if the majority of these have
- 20:22a targetable mutation and if those
- 20:26drugs that are inhibitors of those
- 20:29targetable mutations are very effective,
- 20:31one can imagine that it might not
- 20:33actually be as deadly as some think.
- 20:36Absolutely. And that's why I said
- 20:39there's this wonderful explosion of new
- 20:41treatments because we are seeing that.
- 20:44When I started out,
- 20:46and even probably for a good half
- 20:48of my career as a dermatologist,
- 20:50if someone was diagnosed
- 20:53with advanced Melanoma,
- 20:55Stage 4 Melanoma that had spread,
- 20:58that was pretty much a fatal diagnosis.
- 21:01A really difficult conversation to have
- 21:04with that patient about what was sort
- 21:07of in store in terms of that cancer.
- 21:10There were treatments,
- 21:11say like interferon alpha.
- 21:13But they didn't work that well and in
- 21:17the vast majority of patients.
- 21:19So now what we're seeing is
- 21:21with that personalized medicine,
- 21:23absolutely your cancer,
- 21:25your Melanoma can be sequenced
- 21:27and even just stained.
- 21:29So now for that BRAF gene for example,
- 21:32we have an immunohistochemical
- 21:34stain which just means that your
- 21:38pathologist or dramatopathologist can
- 21:41stain the tissue with a particular
- 21:43antibody and just see if the tissue
- 21:45lights up a different color showing that
- 21:48the antibody, that protein, is stained.
- 21:50And so then that would suggest that
- 21:53that personalized treatment with a
- 21:55BRAF inhibitor would work versus if your
- 21:57tissue doesn't stain,
- 21:59it wouldn't work.
- 22:00So we can get more and more precise and
- 22:03personalized for the best treatment
- 22:05to use on patients and so there are these
- 22:08really stunning curves in science
- 22:10journals that will show survival curves
- 22:13and they're called waterfall plots.
- 22:15It's kind of a pretty fancy
- 22:17kind of picturesque term,
- 22:19but it really shows that survival has really
- 22:22changed with newer medicines like that.
- 22:24And I just want to again emphasize though
- 22:27that early detection is still better because
- 22:29what happens with some of these medicines,
- 22:32for example,
- 22:33that BRAF inhibitor medicine
- 22:37it's tricky and it's growing fast
- 22:39because it's out of control, right?
- 22:41That's what cancer is,
- 22:42uncontrolled growth and it can bypass,
- 22:45it can start to bypass around that treatment.
- 22:48So the earlier we can detect it,
- 22:50the fewer cells of cancer that there are,
- 22:53there's less chance of that kind of
- 22:55resistance to treatment developing.
- 23:03Most melanomas have these mutations
- 23:06such that they are targetable or
- 23:09are many of them without a target
- 23:12such that they need to be treated
- 23:16with more generalized therapies like
- 23:19chemotherapy or immunotherapy, yes.
- 23:21So I would say the majority,
- 23:23maybe 60% plus of melanomas can
- 23:27have a targetable BRAF mutation.
- 23:33Studies showed
- 23:35relatively early on that treatment with
- 23:37a BRAF inhibitor alone resistance
- 23:40would often develop within sort of
- 23:43less than a year's time in patients.
- 23:45So now immunotherapy and
- 23:48adding on other medicines on top of a
- 23:52BRAF inhibitor is commonly used and
- 23:55is very effective and can prevent
- 23:58that kind of resistance from
- 24:00forming, absolutely.
- 24:01And so how many of these patients
- 24:04who have a BRAF mutation who are
- 24:08treated with targeted therapies then
- 24:13relapse and I mean do we see
- 24:16you mentioned that if they relapse,
- 24:18they generally relapse within a year
- 24:21but do many of them never relapse,
- 24:24I mean is this truly curative treatment?
- 24:27Yeah, there are definitely success
- 24:30stories where there's a cure.
- 24:33Some patients do need to stay
- 24:35on that immunotherapy that inhibitor,
- 24:38but it can keep
- 24:40the cancer in check basically.
- 24:43So yes, there are cures,
- 24:46close to being cures or sort
- 24:48of control of the disease,
- 24:50yes and they're stunning.
- 24:52Other patients may not have
- 24:53as good a response rate and
- 24:56I would say it is still to me
- 24:59also part of personalized medicine
- 25:01entails that your response
- 25:03becomes what it is for you.
- 25:06So there are statistics,
- 25:07but good careful follow up and
- 25:10follow up of any scans if you have them.
- 25:12That kind of periodic monitoring
- 25:15is probably at least right
- 25:17now still always important.
- 25:20And when you mention that some
- 25:22patients need to take immunotherapy
- 25:25to kind of keep this cancer under control
- 25:27is that given orally and how long do
- 25:30patients need to be on those therapies?
- 25:34Yes, immunotherapy.
- 25:35There are things like PD1 inhibitors
- 25:38which are used for other cancers as well.
- 25:41So people may be familiar with them
- 25:44in other in the context of other
- 25:46cancers like colon cancer or lung
- 25:49cancer or other organ systems.
- 25:51And they're generally infusions, yes.
- 25:53So you would still go
- 25:59get an IV put in and it would be
- 26:02infused through your vein.
- 26:05Getting back to where we started
- 26:08this conversation, you know,
- 26:10we talked to at the top of the show
- 26:13about the spectrum of cancers and you
- 26:16mentioned that the majority of cancers
- 26:18are actually basal cell cancers.
- 26:21And many of us may not talk a lot
- 26:23about basal cell cancers because they
- 26:26generally have a really good prognosis.
- 26:29Is that right?
- 26:31Yes. Basal cell cancer especially
- 26:33when detected early, it's less
- 26:36than you know say a centimeter,
- 26:38it's highly curable with excision.
- 26:41Then they don't require
- 26:44any further treatment?
- 26:45Generally not.
- 26:48And so how can yoy
- 26:51kind of guide our audience
- 26:53when we're doing those very thorough
- 26:55skin exams once a month that you had
- 26:58mentioned in the first half of the show,
- 27:00what should we be looking for in
- 27:03terms of a basal cell versus a
- 27:07squamous cell versus a Melanoma?
- 27:09And when should we really be
- 27:11going to our doctor and saying,
- 27:13hey, look at this because,
- 27:15many of us will have little spots,
- 27:17moles, you know,
- 27:18maybe a freckle or two.
- 27:20And we really don't want to bother
- 27:22our doctor if we don't think it's
- 27:24anything to be concerned about.
- 27:26But at the same time,
- 27:28we want to be sure that we're detecting
- 27:31anything that might be a cancer early.
- 27:33So can you kind of give us some tips?
- 27:36It's interesting because Melanoma,
- 27:38which people are more aware, most aware of,
- 27:42it seems like when I talk to my patients
- 27:44it's great that they're aware of that,
- 27:45but in the sense that Melanoma often
- 27:49looks very different than other skin cancers,
- 27:52especially BCC, basal cell carcinoma,
- 27:54which is the most common as
- 27:55we've been talking about.
- 27:57And so basal cell carcinoma,
- 27:58what you want to look for that
- 28:02pink to sort of translucent
- 28:05to sometimes dark,
- 28:06it can sometimes be Gray or black,
- 28:08especially in patients
- 28:10with higher skin types.
- 28:11That 4-5 or six Fitzpatrick scale,
- 28:15it can be Gray.
- 28:16So not everything that's dark
- 28:17and irregular is Melanoma.
- 28:19Sometimes it is BCC basal cell carcinoma.
- 28:22So a general rule of thumb
- 28:24that I'll tell patients is
- 28:26let me know about, let your dermatologist
- 28:29know your physician know about
- 28:31anything that looks weird to you.
- 28:33Doctor Christine Ko is a professor
- 28:36of dermatology and pathology at
- 28:38the Yale School of Medicine.
- 28:39If you have questions, the address
- 28:41is Cancer Answers at Yale dot Edu,
- 28:44and past editions of the program
- 28:46are available in audio and written
- 28:48form at yalecancercenter.org.
- 28:49We hope you'll join us next week to
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