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Melanoma/Skin Cancer Awareness Month

May 15, 2023
  • 00:00Funding for Yale Cancer Answers is
  • 00:02provided by Smilow Cancer Hospital.
  • 00:07Welcome to Yale Cancer Answers
  • 00:09with Doctor Anees Chagpar.
  • 00:10Yale Cancer Answers features the
  • 00:12latest information on cancer care
  • 00:14by welcoming oncologists and
  • 00:16specialists who are on the forefront
  • 00:18of the battle to fight cancer.
  • 00:20This week it's a conversation
  • 00:21about Melanoma and other skin
  • 00:23cancers with doctor Christine Ko.
  • 00:25Doctor Ko is a professor of
  • 00:27dermatology and pathology at the
  • 00:29Yale School of Medicine.
  • 00:30Where Doctor Chagpar is a
  • 00:32professor of surgical oncology.
  • 00:34So Christine, maybe we can start off
  • 00:36by you telling us a little bit more
  • 00:38about yourself and what it is you do.
  • 00:41Yes, I'm a dermatologist and
  • 00:44dermatopathologist, so a lot of people
  • 00:46might understand what a dermatologist is.
  • 00:47But just in case, a dermatologist
  • 00:50is a physician who studies and
  • 00:52examines patients skin, hair, and nails.
  • 00:55Sort of the outer part of your
  • 00:58body and your scalp and your nails.
  • 01:01And a dermatopathologist is
  • 01:02someone who looks at tissue,
  • 01:05so the tissue from your
  • 01:07scalp, hair, nails,
  • 01:08under the microscope.
  • 01:11So if you've ever gone to a doctor and
  • 01:13had a piece of your skin taken off,
  • 01:15which is called a biopsy,
  • 01:16and had that sent to a laboratory,
  • 01:18and then you get a report back,
  • 01:19that report was created by a
  • 01:21dermatopathologist or sometimes
  • 01:22a pathologist without specialized
  • 01:24expertise in the skin.
  • 01:25But those are the two main things that I do.
  • 01:28So you do both.
  • 01:30You're a dermatologist and a
  • 01:32dermatopathologist, is that right?
  • 01:33That's fantastic.
  • 01:36So tell us a bit more about skin cancers.
  • 01:40I mean, it seems like you do skin
  • 01:44cancer all the time and we're now
  • 01:47celebrating Skin Cancer Awareness Month.
  • 01:49Talk a little bit about what that
  • 01:51landscape kind of looks like in terms
  • 01:54of how common are skin cancers.
  • 01:56What's the most common type
  • 01:58of skin cancer we see and how
  • 02:01is that diagnosed and treated?
  • 02:04Yes. So skin cancer is really important
  • 02:07because one in five Americans will have
  • 02:10a skin cancer by the time they're 70.
  • 02:13So that's 20%. And so in a nuclear family
  • 02:17that may typically be that one of those
  • 02:22people will have a skin cancer.
  • 02:24The most common type of skin
  • 02:26cancer is basal cell carcinoma.
  • 02:28And I know that's a lot of words.
  • 02:30It's 3 words.
  • 02:31But I abbreviate it to my patients and
  • 02:33we abbreviate it among doctors too.
  • 02:35We just call it B like boy, and 2 C's, BCC.
  • 02:39And so you can call it that
  • 02:41even as a patient, BCC.
  • 02:43And so that's BCC is the most
  • 02:45common skin cancer for Americans,
  • 02:48especially lighter or
  • 02:50fairer skinned Americans.
  • 02:52And that usually presents,
  • 02:54as we call it, pearly.
  • 02:57It might look a little shiny or
  • 03:00that kind of oyster like Translucence,
  • 03:02if you think of shellfish with
  • 03:05sort of blood vessels like red
  • 03:07little lines going through it.
  • 03:09And one thing that I often tell my patients
  • 03:12is that it can bleed relatively easily.
  • 03:14Like you're just sort of
  • 03:15washing your face or
  • 03:17it gets brushed with your clothing
  • 03:19or something and it
  • 03:21bleeds a tiny bit or sometimes a lot.
  • 03:23So that's the most common skin cancer.
  • 03:25The one cancer that of the
  • 03:27skin that a lot of people are
  • 03:30more familiar with is Melanoma.
  • 03:32And I think that's because of
  • 03:34really good skin cancer campaigns.
  • 03:36And people know that it's often a dark
  • 03:38spot and it might be changing or it
  • 03:40might be a little irregular in shape.
  • 03:42And that also I think people are aware
  • 03:45of because it can really affect
  • 03:47even younger individuals,
  • 03:49in their 20s and above.
  • 03:51So it can affect all ages and
  • 03:53it can be deadly.
  • 03:55So I think for good reason
  • 03:57there have been awareness campaigns
  • 03:58and people are becoming more and
  • 04:00more familiar with Melanoma.
  • 04:02And so let's talk a little bit
  • 04:05about each of those in turn,
  • 04:07maybe starting with Melanoma
  • 04:09since that's the most deadly.
  • 04:12Tell us a bit more about
  • 04:14what are the risk factors
  • 04:16for developing Melanoma,
  • 04:17is there a screening protocol
  • 04:20that people should follow,
  • 04:23who should follow it and so on?
  • 04:26Yes. So Melanoma is one of
  • 04:28the most deadly skin cancers.
  • 04:31There are others that are much more
  • 04:33rare like Merkel cell carcinoma,
  • 04:34so I won't talk about those.
  • 04:36But Melanoma skin cancer screening programs,
  • 04:40the general recommendation is for
  • 04:43each individual person to look at
  • 04:46your skin to do a self skin exam,
  • 04:48just like women and men are told
  • 04:51to do breast exams on themselves.
  • 04:54And so a skin exam actually I tell my patients,
  • 04:56is relatively easy once you get used to it.
  • 05:00And all you really have to do is
  • 05:02ideally have a full length mirror
  • 05:03but a waist up one
  • 05:05will do if that's all you have.
  • 05:07And when you come out of the shower or bath,
  • 05:10maybe choose the 1st of the month or
  • 05:12the last of the month or
  • 05:13the 15th or whatever day works for you.
  • 05:16And ideally, once a month,
  • 05:18just look at your skin, all of it,
  • 05:21including the genital area.
  • 05:22It's a little harder for women,
  • 05:23but we can take a mirror and look
  • 05:26at the genital area as well and
  • 05:28get used to what spots you really have.
  • 05:31Some people have very few,
  • 05:32Some people have a lot and just
  • 05:34get used to it and anything that
  • 05:36looks a little weird to you,
  • 05:37ask your doctor about it.
  • 05:39So that's a big component.
  • 05:40I think I advocate that
  • 05:42people do self skin exams.
  • 05:44The other thing you can do is you can
  • 05:46go to your doctor or your dermatologist
  • 05:49and have the physician do a skin
  • 05:52exam in which ideally they would look
  • 05:54at every single part of your body.
  • 05:57So I will examine under the hair,
  • 06:00you know, between the hairs.
  • 06:01If I can do it,
  • 06:02I will tell people to
  • 06:04enlist the hairdresser's help if
  • 06:05they go to a hairdresser or Barber.
  • 06:08For people that have a good
  • 06:09healthy amount of hair,
  • 06:10it can be hard to look in
  • 06:12between all of that hair,
  • 06:13and it's easier when it's wet.
  • 06:15So I'll ask people if they do go to
  • 06:17a Barber or hairdresser
  • 06:19if they ever notice anything,
  • 06:20ask them to take a photo,
  • 06:22kind of have a general sense of where it is,
  • 06:24and they can even upload that photo to me
  • 06:27in an electronic medical record.
  • 06:30And so then ideally the physician
  • 06:32will look under the hair,
  • 06:35in between the hair, the rest of the body,
  • 06:37the general nails,
  • 06:38bottoms of the feet,
  • 06:40so the socks and shoes come off as well.
  • 06:46Thank you for that really
  • 06:49thorough description because I think
  • 06:52that well many of us may have heard,
  • 06:54yeah, we should look at our skin.
  • 06:57We don't really think about
  • 06:59some of those other areas.
  • 07:00Taking a mirror and looking
  • 07:03at the genital area is something that
  • 07:05a lot of people may not think about,
  • 07:08especially because so much of us
  • 07:11think about skin cancers and Melanoma
  • 07:13as being related to sun exposure.
  • 07:16So in that area, if you haven't
  • 07:19gone skinny dipping for a while,
  • 07:22it generally isn't exposed to sunlight,
  • 07:24but is it still at risk for Melanoma?
  • 07:27Yes, absolutely.
  • 07:28I'm glad that you made that comment
  • 07:31because often my patients and
  • 07:34friends, family who talk to me
  • 07:36about skin and skin cancer and
  • 07:37how and when they should
  • 07:40be looking at their own skin,
  • 07:41they often say,
  • 07:43but I don't go to nude beaches
  • 07:45or I don't go skinny dipping.
  • 07:47And absolutely it's a myth and
  • 07:51that misconception comes from partial truth,
  • 07:54which is often the case.
  • 07:56Ultraviolet light,
  • 07:57sunlight, is a major contributor to
  • 08:00skin cancer and that's a major reason
  • 08:03why fairer skin or lighter skin,
  • 08:05especially skin types that
  • 08:07burn and virtually don't tan,
  • 08:10they burn and then they go
  • 08:12back to the fair skin that they
  • 08:14had before the burn and they
  • 08:16don't really become significantly
  • 08:17darker or tan in any way.
  • 08:19That's the highest risk skin type
  • 08:21for skin cancer because there's
  • 08:23essentially no melanin pigment.
  • 08:25Melanin is the
  • 08:26Pigment in the skin that
  • 08:28creates color that can create a tan and
  • 08:31with virtually no protection from melanin
  • 08:33you are at highest risk for skin
  • 08:36cancer compared to skin that's has
  • 08:38more melanin in it, but ultraviolet
  • 08:41light is not the
  • 08:44only risk factor and another risk
  • 08:47factor is for example human papilloma
  • 08:50virus and
  • 08:54I think that can make sense.
  • 08:56The way I often translate it to patients is
  • 08:58you know that cervical cancer or a
  • 09:00lot of people understand that and
  • 09:02they know about vaccination of
  • 09:04younger kids and even up to age 45
  • 09:07against HPV virus to prevent
  • 09:09cervical cancer as well as other
  • 09:11especially genital cancers and oral
  • 09:13cancers that are related to HPV virus.
  • 09:15But it's same for the skin.
  • 09:17And so that genital area or the
  • 09:19sort of near genital area,
  • 09:20a risk factor is human papilloma
  • 09:23virus.
  • 09:25And so that can be a reason why you
  • 09:27may have never gone to a nude beach,
  • 09:29but you can have skin cancer
  • 09:30in that area as well.
  • 09:34So does HPV vaccine protect you
  • 09:36against skin cancers in that area?
  • 09:40Yes, I think it can.
  • 09:41And so one thing for example is that
  • 09:45transplant patients who are
  • 09:47immunosuppressed because,
  • 09:48you know, to help them not
  • 09:51reject the transplanted organ,
  • 09:52they are at higher risk of skin cancer
  • 09:54as well as other cancers due to that
  • 09:57suppression of the immune system that's
  • 09:59appropriate to keep the
  • 10:01transplanted organ doing well.
  • 10:03But especially patients with sort of darker,
  • 10:07higher skin types,
  • 10:08they have higher risk of skin cancer
  • 10:11in those sort of more sun protected
  • 10:13areas and it is thought to be
  • 10:15because of human papilloma virus.
  • 10:17And there are efforts to see if
  • 10:20vaccination against HPV can reduce
  • 10:22skin cancers in that population.
  • 10:24So yes, you're absolutely right that
  • 10:27HPV induced skin cancers should be
  • 10:29prevented as well from the HPV vaccine.
  • 10:33Interesting. So you mentioned
  • 10:36that people with darker skin with
  • 10:40more melanin are more likely to
  • 10:44get these HPV type skin cancers.
  • 10:49Do we see other differences based
  • 10:52on race or or skin color in terms
  • 10:56of how skin cancers present?
  • 11:00Yes, that's a great question.
  • 11:02I'm not sure that they're more susceptible
  • 11:05to HPV induced cancers if they have
  • 11:07darker skin or you know higher type skin.
  • 11:10But just that since they have fewer
  • 11:14skin cancers in sun exposed areas,
  • 11:17that is an important
  • 11:19place to check for higher and
  • 11:21darker skin types including mine.
  • 11:23So but what I would say is,
  • 11:27that there are major differences
  • 11:30and so another major difference is
  • 11:34that higher or darker skin types and
  • 11:36I say higher because we kind of have a
  • 11:39Fitzpatrick skin color scale which kind
  • 11:42of gives you a number for the skin color,
  • 11:46the skin type that you have and
  • 11:49lightest or fairest is close to 0
  • 11:52Melanin and pigment.
  • 11:53That color that makes brown in the
  • 11:55skin or tan in the skin is A1.
  • 11:57And then the higher skin type is
  • 11:596 it goes up to six is darker skin,
  • 12:02the darkest that has the most melanin in it.
  • 12:05And it's also based on how your
  • 12:07skin reacts to sunlight.
  • 12:08So if you basically burn and hardly
  • 12:11really tan at all don't get darker,
  • 12:13you're a one.
  • 12:14And if you essentially never,
  • 12:16never ever burn,
  • 12:17but you do get a little darker from the
  • 12:19sun that's a six and in the middle 3-4,
  • 12:21it's like you generally tan
  • 12:22but you can burn.
  • 12:24And so that's the scale
  • 12:25that I'm talking about and why
  • 12:27I'll say higher skin types.
  • 12:28And so if you have higher skin types
  • 12:31we'll think like 4-5 and six,
  • 12:35you tend to get Melanoma for example
  • 12:39under your nails more so than if
  • 12:41you have lower skin types or on the
  • 12:43bottoms of the feet or on the palms
  • 12:46or you know for example in that
  • 12:48genital area as we talked about.
  • 12:50So I really emphasize to my patients
  • 12:52with higher skin types to definitely
  • 12:55definitely look in those areas as well.
  • 12:57And so I think that sort of myth
  • 13:01or misconception that it's sun
  • 13:03exposed areas may also contribute
  • 13:06to the statistics that we know
  • 13:07that are true that patients with
  • 13:09higher skin types often have their
  • 13:12skin cancers not often,
  • 13:13but maybe can have for sure their skin
  • 13:16cancers detected later than fair skin types.
  • 13:20And I think it might be because
  • 13:21of that myth or misconception that
  • 13:23people don't think you can have
  • 13:25a skin cancer under your nail or
  • 13:27on the bottom of your feet,
  • 13:28which generally isn't being
  • 13:29exposed to the sun either,
  • 13:31or the genital perigenital area.
  • 13:34Yeah, I was going to ask you that
  • 13:35question in terms of
  • 13:37the fact that we simply don't
  • 13:38think to check in those areas.
  • 13:40So that may contribute to
  • 13:42these being picked up later.
  • 13:44We are going to continue this very
  • 13:46interesting conversation right after we
  • 13:48take a short break for a medical minute.
  • 13:51Please stay tuned to learn more about
  • 13:53the care of patients with Melanoma
  • 13:54and other skin cancers in honor of
  • 13:57Melanoma and skin cancer awareness Month
  • 13:59with my guest Doctor Christine Ko.
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  • 14:06where their Melanoma program
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  • 14:09multidisciplinary team to diagnose,
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  • 14:13Melanoma and other skin cancers.
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  • 15:13Welcome
  • 15:14back to Yale Cancer Answers.
  • 15:15This is Doctor Anees Chagpar,
  • 15:17and I'm joined tonight by my guest,
  • 15:19Doctor Christine Ko.
  • 15:20We're talking about the care of patients with
  • 15:24Melanoma and other skin cancers in honor of
  • 15:27Melanoma and Skin Cancer Awareness Month.
  • 15:29Now, right before the break, Christine,
  • 15:31you were mentioning that some people,
  • 15:34particularly those who
  • 15:36have higher skin types,
  • 15:38that is to say darker skin with more melanin,
  • 15:43tend to get fewer skin cancers,
  • 15:45but may have proportionately more in
  • 15:48places that people often don't look.
  • 15:51So under the nails,
  • 15:53the bottom of the feet,
  • 15:54the genital areas.
  • 15:56Non skin exposed areas that
  • 15:58still can get skin cancers.
  • 16:01And so really important for people to
  • 16:03look because one of the very important
  • 16:06points that I think you made right
  • 16:09as we were going to break was that
  • 16:11these can be found at a later stage.
  • 16:16And so the question that
  • 16:18then leads into is
  • 16:20can you talk a little bit more
  • 16:22about the treatment algorithms
  • 16:24for treating Melanoma?
  • 16:26Stage is something that we'll use to
  • 16:28refer to how advanced a cancer is.
  • 16:31And really the goal of I think
  • 16:35physicians, dermatologists,
  • 16:36anyone who deals with cancer is to
  • 16:40detect it as early as possible and
  • 16:42so that you have early stage cancer,
  • 16:45people might be more
  • 16:47familiar with breast cancer.
  • 16:48But same thing applies to
  • 16:50Melanoma or other cancers.
  • 16:51And stage one cancer or even
  • 16:54to stage zero
  • 16:57is the best to have rather than
  • 16:59stage 4 which means that you have
  • 17:02cancer that has spread and so Melanoma
  • 17:04can definitely be stage 4, stage 3,
  • 17:07these higher stages that suggest that
  • 17:10you're going to have a worse prognosis
  • 17:13meaning that cancer really
  • 17:15might affect the course of your life.
  • 17:17And so ideally when we catch skin cancer
  • 17:20including Melanoma at stage zero,
  • 17:22stage 1 or even stage two,
  • 17:24we can cure the patient.
  • 17:27Usually the best way is just to cut it out.
  • 17:31And so it sort of
  • 17:34comes down to math, right?
  • 17:36If you imagine something smaller,
  • 17:39it's much easier to cut it
  • 17:40out no matter where it is,
  • 17:42even if it's in a sensitive area.
  • 17:44Like the genital area and the bigger it is,
  • 17:48the harder it is to cut
  • 17:49that larger thing out.
  • 17:51So excision or cutting something out
  • 17:53is the main way we treat things and
  • 17:56it works often very well and many,
  • 17:58many people have a cure.
  • 17:59And so I'll often tell people that,
  • 18:01for example BCC,
  • 18:02the basal cell carcinoma that
  • 18:04we mentioned in the first part,
  • 18:06that often is cured very easily,
  • 18:08relatively easily compared to other
  • 18:11skin cancers with a simple excision.
  • 18:13And people do very well.
  • 18:14And so it's the best cancer to
  • 18:16have is what I'll tell patients
  • 18:18if you have to have one.
  • 18:20Melanoma often can also be
  • 18:22cured with excision.
  • 18:23Other ways especially for
  • 18:25higher stages is
  • 18:28newer modalities,
  • 18:29there's been an explosion,
  • 18:31a really wonderful explosion in
  • 18:33cancer treatment for all cancers,
  • 18:35but also including Melanoma.
  • 18:36And we used to not have great
  • 18:39treatments for advanced stage Melanoma,
  • 18:41stage 3 or stage 4.
  • 18:43But increasingly we have new
  • 18:46treatments including something
  • 18:47called BRAF inhibitor treatment,
  • 18:50also MECH inhibitor treatment.
  • 18:52And they all have fancy names
  • 18:55but the important thing to remember
  • 18:58is that increasingly with help of
  • 19:01researchers and scientists and
  • 19:03physicians who dedicate their time
  • 19:05to research as well in laboratories
  • 19:08that there are molecular alterations,
  • 19:11there's alterations on that inside
  • 19:14cell level that are detected.
  • 19:16And so for Melanoma,
  • 19:17an example is a BRAF mutation,
  • 19:20BRAF is a particular gene
  • 19:22in our genetic code that can
  • 19:24be changed in skin cancer,
  • 19:26in Melanoma and a drug
  • 19:28targets that
  • 19:30particular BRAF mutation.
  • 19:32And so we have these advances
  • 19:34that can do wonders even with
  • 19:37stage 4 with metastatic Melanoma.
  • 19:39And so I would just say work
  • 19:42carefully and closely
  • 19:43with your oncologist and
  • 19:45you'll see that oftentimes there
  • 19:47can be really great treatments.
  • 19:48So you know, when you talk about these
  • 19:51fancy drugs that are
  • 19:54inhibitors of various mutations,
  • 19:56it certainly sounds a lot like
  • 19:59the precision medicine that
  • 20:01we've talked about on this show
  • 20:03previously for other cancers.
  • 20:05Can you tell us a little bit more
  • 20:08about how common these mutations are
  • 20:10in Melanoma because it's still the
  • 20:13perception of many that Melanoma is
  • 20:15the most deadly skin cancer.
  • 20:18But if the majority of these have
  • 20:22a targetable mutation and if those
  • 20:26drugs that are inhibitors of those
  • 20:29targetable mutations are very effective,
  • 20:31one can imagine that it might not
  • 20:33actually be as deadly as some think.
  • 20:36Absolutely. And that's why I said
  • 20:39there's this wonderful explosion of new
  • 20:41treatments because we are seeing that.
  • 20:44When I started out,
  • 20:46and even probably for a good half
  • 20:48of my career as a dermatologist,
  • 20:50if someone was diagnosed
  • 20:53with advanced Melanoma,
  • 20:55Stage 4 Melanoma that had spread,
  • 20:58that was pretty much a fatal diagnosis.
  • 21:01A really difficult conversation to have
  • 21:04with that patient about what was sort
  • 21:07of in store in terms of that cancer.
  • 21:10There were treatments,
  • 21:11say like interferon alpha.
  • 21:13But they didn't work that well and in
  • 21:17the vast majority of patients.
  • 21:19So now what we're seeing is
  • 21:21with that personalized medicine,
  • 21:23absolutely your cancer,
  • 21:25your Melanoma can be sequenced
  • 21:27and even just stained.
  • 21:29So now for that BRAF gene for example,
  • 21:32we have an immunohistochemical
  • 21:34stain which just means that your
  • 21:38pathologist or dramatopathologist can
  • 21:41stain the tissue with a particular
  • 21:43antibody and just see if the tissue
  • 21:45lights up a different color showing that
  • 21:48the antibody, that protein, is stained.
  • 21:50And so then that would suggest that
  • 21:53that personalized treatment with a
  • 21:55BRAF inhibitor would work versus if your
  • 21:57tissue doesn't stain,
  • 21:59it wouldn't work.
  • 22:00So we can get more and more precise and
  • 22:03personalized for the best treatment
  • 22:05to use on patients and so there are these
  • 22:08really stunning curves in science
  • 22:10journals that will show survival curves
  • 22:13and they're called waterfall plots.
  • 22:15It's kind of a pretty fancy
  • 22:17kind of picturesque term,
  • 22:19but it really shows that survival has really
  • 22:22changed with newer medicines like that.
  • 22:24And I just want to again emphasize though
  • 22:27that early detection is still better because
  • 22:29what happens with some of these medicines,
  • 22:32for example,
  • 22:33that BRAF inhibitor medicine
  • 22:37it's tricky and it's growing fast
  • 22:39because it's out of control, right?
  • 22:41That's what cancer is,
  • 22:42uncontrolled growth and it can bypass,
  • 22:45it can start to bypass around that treatment.
  • 22:48So the earlier we can detect it,
  • 22:50the fewer cells of cancer that there are,
  • 22:53there's less chance of that kind of
  • 22:55resistance to treatment developing.
  • 23:03Most melanomas have these mutations
  • 23:06such that they are targetable or
  • 23:09are many of them without a target
  • 23:12such that they need to be treated
  • 23:16with more generalized therapies like
  • 23:19chemotherapy or immunotherapy, yes.
  • 23:21So I would say the majority,
  • 23:23maybe 60% plus of melanomas can
  • 23:27have a targetable BRAF mutation.
  • 23:33Studies showed
  • 23:35relatively early on that treatment with
  • 23:37a BRAF inhibitor alone resistance
  • 23:40would often develop within sort of
  • 23:43less than a year's time in patients.
  • 23:45So now immunotherapy and
  • 23:48adding on other medicines on top of a
  • 23:52BRAF inhibitor is commonly used and
  • 23:55is very effective and can prevent
  • 23:58that kind of resistance from
  • 24:00forming, absolutely.
  • 24:01And so how many of these patients
  • 24:04who have a BRAF mutation who are
  • 24:08treated with targeted therapies then
  • 24:13relapse and I mean do we see
  • 24:16you mentioned that if they relapse,
  • 24:18they generally relapse within a year
  • 24:21but do many of them never relapse,
  • 24:24I mean is this truly curative treatment?
  • 24:27Yeah, there are definitely success
  • 24:30stories where there's a cure.
  • 24:33Some patients do need to stay
  • 24:35on that immunotherapy that inhibitor,
  • 24:38but it can keep
  • 24:40the cancer in check basically.
  • 24:43So yes, there are cures,
  • 24:46close to being cures or sort
  • 24:48of control of the disease,
  • 24:50yes and they're stunning.
  • 24:52Other patients may not have
  • 24:53as good a response rate and
  • 24:56I would say it is still to me
  • 24:59also part of personalized medicine
  • 25:01entails that your response
  • 25:03becomes what it is for you.
  • 25:06So there are statistics,
  • 25:07but good careful follow up and
  • 25:10follow up of any scans if you have them.
  • 25:12That kind of periodic monitoring
  • 25:15is probably at least right
  • 25:17now still always important.
  • 25:20And when you mention that some
  • 25:22patients need to take immunotherapy
  • 25:25to kind of keep this cancer under control
  • 25:27is that given orally and how long do
  • 25:30patients need to be on those therapies?
  • 25:34Yes, immunotherapy.
  • 25:35There are things like PD1 inhibitors
  • 25:38which are used for other cancers as well.
  • 25:41So people may be familiar with them
  • 25:44in other in the context of other
  • 25:46cancers like colon cancer or lung
  • 25:49cancer or other organ systems.
  • 25:51And they're generally infusions, yes.
  • 25:53So you would still go
  • 25:59get an IV put in and it would be
  • 26:02infused through your vein.
  • 26:05Getting back to where we started
  • 26:08this conversation, you know,
  • 26:10we talked to at the top of the show
  • 26:13about the spectrum of cancers and you
  • 26:16mentioned that the majority of cancers
  • 26:18are actually basal cell cancers.
  • 26:21And many of us may not talk a lot
  • 26:23about basal cell cancers because they
  • 26:26generally have a really good prognosis.
  • 26:29Is that right?
  • 26:31Yes. Basal cell cancer especially
  • 26:33when detected early, it's less
  • 26:36than you know say a centimeter,
  • 26:38it's highly curable with excision.
  • 26:41Then they don't require
  • 26:44any further treatment?
  • 26:45Generally not.
  • 26:48And so how can yoy
  • 26:51kind of guide our audience
  • 26:53when we're doing those very thorough
  • 26:55skin exams once a month that you had
  • 26:58mentioned in the first half of the show,
  • 27:00what should we be looking for in
  • 27:03terms of a basal cell versus a
  • 27:07squamous cell versus a Melanoma?
  • 27:09And when should we really be
  • 27:11going to our doctor and saying,
  • 27:13hey, look at this because,
  • 27:15many of us will have little spots,
  • 27:17moles, you know,
  • 27:18maybe a freckle or two.
  • 27:20And we really don't want to bother
  • 27:22our doctor if we don't think it's
  • 27:24anything to be concerned about.
  • 27:26But at the same time,
  • 27:28we want to be sure that we're detecting
  • 27:31anything that might be a cancer early.
  • 27:33So can you kind of give us some tips?
  • 27:36It's interesting because Melanoma,
  • 27:38which people are more aware, most aware of,
  • 27:42it seems like when I talk to my patients
  • 27:44it's great that they're aware of that,
  • 27:45but in the sense that Melanoma often
  • 27:49looks very different than other skin cancers,
  • 27:52especially BCC, basal cell carcinoma,
  • 27:54which is the most common as
  • 27:55we've been talking about.
  • 27:57And so basal cell carcinoma,
  • 27:58what you want to look for that
  • 28:02pink to sort of translucent
  • 28:05to sometimes dark,
  • 28:06it can sometimes be Gray or black,
  • 28:08especially in patients
  • 28:10with higher skin types.
  • 28:11That 4-5 or six Fitzpatrick scale,
  • 28:15it can be Gray.
  • 28:16So not everything that's dark
  • 28:17and irregular is Melanoma.
  • 28:19Sometimes it is BCC basal cell carcinoma.
  • 28:22So a general rule of thumb
  • 28:24that I'll tell patients is
  • 28:26let me know about, let your dermatologist
  • 28:29know your physician know about
  • 28:31anything that looks weird to you.
  • 28:33Doctor Christine Ko is a professor
  • 28:36of dermatology and pathology at
  • 28:38the Yale School of Medicine.
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