Child Study Center Grand Rounds 02.09.2020
March 22, 2021Pregnancy Well-Being the Epigenome and Child Development
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- 00:00Here and and then Karen take it from there.
- 00:05So may I call Doctor Tara Thompson Felix.
- 00:09Take it away.
- 00:10Doctor Thompson feelings, yeah,
- 00:12so good afternoon everyone.
- 00:13My name is Tara Thompson.
- 00:15Felix I'm one of the first year child
- 00:18Psychiatry Fellows so I actually met
- 00:20Doctor O'Donnell a few months ago
- 00:22on virtually in one of our breakout
- 00:24sessions and grand rounds and just
- 00:27heard a lot about his research who
- 00:29really got me excited because I've
- 00:31done some research and in utero,
- 00:33and epigenetics and I really wanted
- 00:35the opportunity to kind of explore
- 00:37that more so Doctor O'Donnell
- 00:39has been awesome and discussing.
- 00:41Potential projects with me.
- 00:43Since then an I am very excited
- 00:46to announce that I will be a
- 00:48PhD student in his lab.
- 00:50Starting in July,
- 00:52so I'm very excited to pass it
- 00:55along to Doctor Karen O'Donnell.
- 00:58Thank you.
- 01:00But
- 01:00congratulations again, Tara Anne.
- 01:02I'm very happy that you got into
- 01:05the program and delighted that
- 01:06you'll be working in the lab,
- 01:08and I'll be looking forward to when you
- 01:11were doing Grand Ryans showing some.
- 01:13Hopefully you're very interesting data,
- 01:15fetal exosomes and how they are shaped
- 01:17by exposure to prenatal adversity
- 01:19and how they can inform on child in
- 01:22your development and Doctor Martin.
- 01:24Thank you very much for that
- 01:26kind introduction for not giving
- 01:28the game away about where I am.
- 01:30Chrome I thought I would start by giving
- 01:33you a little bit of a background on
- 01:36how and where I've come from an end to
- 01:38end up here at the Child study Center
- 01:41and as Doctor Martin mentioned, an.
- 01:42If this is an experiment between
- 01:44the Department of Citrix and
- 01:46the Child Study Center,
- 01:47I'm more than happy to be a subject in
- 01:50this study because it's such a pleasure
- 01:52to be acting as a bridge between these
- 01:55two Fantastic Department's an so as
- 01:57Doctor Martin at knows I actually,
- 01:59I'm from the West coast of Ireland.
- 02:01A very small village,
- 02:02around 200 people an on the
- 02:05western coast of Ireland,
- 02:06very close to a small town called Belona.
- 02:09It's right on the Atlantic coast.
- 02:11The red line that you're seeing on
- 02:14this map is what's called the Wild
- 02:16Atlantic way that has a roadway that
- 02:19hugs the Atlantic coast of Ireland.
- 02:21And for those of you who are
- 02:24avid cyclists like Doctor Martin,
- 02:26it's 1500 miles and that you
- 02:28can cycle around our lender,
- 02:30driver and arnensee some fantastic sites.
- 02:32Such as the Stone Age settlement
- 02:34that's around 20 minutes from my home,
- 02:37Amore Dan Patrick head.
- 02:38I can tell you it took a long
- 02:41time to take this photograph.
- 02:42This isn't representative of the
- 02:44weather that we have in Ireland,
- 02:46Ann,
- 02:47but there are some beautiful scenes
- 02:49to be had in the West Coast of
- 02:51Ireland and up until very recently
- 02:53that would have been the most
- 02:55famous thing about where I'm from.
- 02:58This wonderful coastline and
- 02:59this Stone Age settlement.
- 03:00And but then Joe Biden got elected.
- 03:03And his ancestral home is around 20 minutes
- 03:06from my home in a small town called Belle.
- 03:10And all you can see is distant relatives
- 03:13celebrating when the election was announced,
- 03:15and mural that remains in
- 03:17our small town and were,
- 03:19among other works.
- 03:21So where everyone was very excited by this,
- 03:24this is actually the 2nd president
- 03:26that belona can lay claim
- 03:28to because Mary Robinson,
- 03:30the first woman President of Ireland,
- 03:32also hails.
- 03:33From Belona,
- 03:34so a little fun fact,
- 03:36but as Doctor Martin mentioned,
- 03:38I my trading didn't occur in
- 03:40Ireland and I had to travel a
- 03:42little bit further East for that,
- 03:44and that was to London where I
- 03:47completed my undergrad Masters and
- 03:48eventually my PhD where I worked
- 03:50with Vivek Glover and who's an
- 03:53expert and perinatal cycle biology
- 03:54and also with Tom O'Connor.
- 03:56Andthat PhD was actually a little
- 03:59bit of an experiment at the time as well.
- 04:01It was in an NIH funded.
- 04:04PhD occurring in London using the Avon
- 04:06Longitudinal Study of Parents and Children,
- 04:09which is along the Tunal perspective
- 04:11cohort of around 15,000 pregnancies
- 04:13where these children have been
- 04:15followed up continuously there,
- 04:16now approaching their 30s themselves,
- 04:18having children of their own,
- 04:20and I'll talk to you a little
- 04:23bit about that cohort today.
- 04:25Now following my PhD,
- 04:26I moved back out West but much
- 04:29further West than where I'm from.
- 04:31An ended up at McGill
- 04:33University where I completed it.
- 04:35Post doctoral fellowship with Michael Meaney,
- 04:38who many of you will know and
- 04:40it's really been a pioneer in
- 04:43the field of social epigenetics.
- 04:45So how the environment can shape
- 04:47variation in the epigenome?
- 04:49When I talk about the epigenome,
- 04:51I'm talking about chemical marks
- 04:53or modifications that sit on or
- 04:56close to the genome that can change
- 04:58the way the genome functions and
- 05:01throughout all of my training.
- 05:03Really, what's been at the heart of my.
- 05:06Fascination,
- 05:06really with science is the idea that
- 05:09the early environment can shape health
- 05:11and disease across the lifespan.
- 05:14Ann and this notion or this idea has
- 05:17been described as the developmental
- 05:19origins of health and disease and which
- 05:22has led to a whole field of research.
- 05:25A SoC adore had society that was
- 05:27really an largely based on findings
- 05:30from the work of David Barker.
- 05:32In fact,
- 05:33it used to be referred to as the Barker.
- 05:37Hypothesis that and the fetal
- 05:39origins of disease,
- 05:40that the the origins of many
- 05:43types of disease could be traced
- 05:45back to the neutral environment
- 05:48and these observations initially
- 05:50stemmed from David's work,
- 05:52where he notice to parallel between
- 05:55high rates of infant mortality
- 05:57and subsequent rates of death
- 05:59from coronary heart disease,
- 06:01and these were largely in deprived
- 06:04areas in the United Kingdom.
- 06:07And what you're looking at here is
- 06:09the relationship of risk from death
- 06:11for death from coronary heart disease
- 06:13as a function of birth weight.
- 06:15I want David Barker noticed,
- 06:17was that lower birth weight was
- 06:19associated with an elevated or an
- 06:21increased risk from death from coronary
- 06:24heart disease before the age of 65,
- 06:26and you can see a greater decline in
- 06:28risk as we move to larger birth weights.
- 06:31These are birth weights
- 06:32expressed in pounds and answers,
- 06:34and then maybe a slight uptick.
- 06:37In at disease risk,
- 06:39and as I mentioned,
- 06:41this is really led to really an
- 06:43expansive literature on how the neutral
- 06:46environment can shape vulnerability
- 06:49for cardiovascular disease,
- 06:50and really a whole host of
- 06:54metabolic phenotypes.
- 06:55But of course,
- 06:56the question is if the cardiovascular
- 06:58system is so sensitive to the unusual
- 07:01environment into adversity in usual,
- 07:03what about the brain?
- 07:05And as we heard from Kartek last
- 07:08week and from Amanda study as well,
- 07:11we know that the prenatal
- 07:13environment can also shape variation
- 07:15in brain related phenotypes.
- 07:17So, for example,
- 07:18at the Dutch hunger,
- 07:20winter and the Holocaust have all
- 07:22been associated with increased
- 07:24risk for adverse.
- 07:25Mental health outcomes in the
- 07:27offspring and in the next generation,
- 07:30and these have largely been
- 07:32from retrospective studies where
- 07:33this evidence first emerged.
- 07:35And of course from our own work
- 07:37with the Avon Longitudinal
- 07:39Study of Parents and Children.
- 07:41What we found is that maternal
- 07:43prenatal anxiety and also
- 07:44maternal prenatal depression,
- 07:46associate's with an increased
- 07:48risk for adverse mental health
- 07:50outcomes in the child and what
- 07:52you're looking at here is the
- 07:54predicted population prevalence.
- 07:56Of a probable mental disorder at
- 07:59children from age 4 all the way
- 08:01up to age 13 an and what we can
- 08:05see is that those children born
- 08:07to women that experience high
- 08:09levels of anxiety in the prenatal
- 08:12period have approximately double
- 08:13the risk of ending up in the group
- 08:16that is likely to suffer from
- 08:19a probable mental disorder,
- 08:20and we see this elevated risk across
- 08:23childhood and into early adolescence,
- 08:25and indeed.
- 08:26As studies follow up,
- 08:28studies have been completed
- 08:29now into the early 20s,
- 08:31and Sean a similar pattern of
- 08:34Association between high rates of
- 08:36prenatal anxiety and depression
- 08:37and increase risk for adverse
- 08:39mental health outcomes.
- 08:41And I just want to point out that
- 08:43these effects are independent
- 08:45of socioeconomic status.
- 08:47So you may think that this may be
- 08:49confounded by maternal education
- 08:51or maternal age,
- 08:53or indeed taxol crowding or
- 08:55obstetric outcomes.
- 08:56Birth weight,
- 08:57gestational age.
- 08:57Because of the large sample
- 09:00size of this court,
- 09:01we can statistically control for
- 09:03the effects of those exposures,
- 09:06and we still see this independent
- 09:09Association with maternal prenatal anxiety.
- 09:11So for any of you that have
- 09:14heard me speak before,
- 09:16I always talk about 414 and 44 being
- 09:18one in four women that are likely to
- 09:22experience or struggle with their
- 09:24mental health in and around pregnancy.
- 09:27So I say one in four other estimates
- 09:30they went in five, one in six,
- 09:33and really what I think we're seeing
- 09:35from these epidemiological analysis,
- 09:38particularly the more recent
- 09:39epidemiological analysis,
- 09:40is increased rates.
- 09:41Of perinatal mental health problems.
- 09:44So,
- 09:44for example,
- 09:45Louise Howard Publishing in 2018 and
- 09:47one in four women struggling with their
- 09:50mental health in and around pregnancy.
- 09:53Rebecca Pearson,
- 09:53using the Avon Longitudinal Study
- 09:56of Parents and children using the
- 09:58second generation from that cohort.
- 10:00Showed a generational increase in
- 10:03rates of perinatal mental health
- 10:06problems with again one in four
- 10:09women experiencing perinatal
- 10:11mental health problems.
- 10:13So this is a common problem and
- 10:16what is challenging with this
- 10:18problem is that we're still not
- 10:20screening women effectively,
- 10:22and when we do screen women and
- 10:24they're still not receiving
- 10:26adequate treatment,
- 10:27so we know that around 25% of
- 10:30women who do experience perinatal
- 10:32mental health problems receive
- 10:34treatment and less than 5% of
- 10:36those women achieve remission
- 10:38or experience receive adequate
- 10:40treatment to reduce their symptoms
- 10:42down below clinical levels.
- 10:43So this is a common problem that we are
- 10:46not addressing sufficiently at the moment.
- 10:49It is also a costly problem,
- 10:51so we know that the per
- 10:53year costs of untreated
- 10:55perinatal mental health problems is
- 10:57around 14 billion US dollars per year,
- 11:00with around 40% of those costs attributed
- 11:03to the adverse effects on the child.
- 11:05So that's in the United States.
- 11:07What about the in the UK where the
- 11:10first cost estimate was produced?
- 11:12Well, we see that around.
- 11:14An 8 billion pounds is the cost
- 11:17associated with untreated paradata mental
- 11:19health problems in the United Kingdom,
- 11:22but in contrast to the United States,
- 11:25we see that 72% almost 3/4 of those
- 11:27costs are attributed to the adverse
- 11:30effects of untreated perinatal mental
- 11:32health problems on child outcomes,
- 11:35and you may ask,
- 11:36rightfully So what is the difference
- 11:38between these two cost estimates?
- 11:41Why is it 40% in the United States and 72%?
- 11:45In the United Kingdom or one
- 11:47of the explanations for that is
- 11:49because in the United States,
- 11:51costs were only calculated on
- 11:53child outcomes from zero to five,
- 11:56whereas in the United Kingdom costs
- 11:58were calculated from zero to 18.
- 12:00So I think you can appreciate that if
- 12:03we extend the follow up period in the
- 12:06United States that 40% an proportion
- 12:08of costs is likely to increase in
- 12:11addition to the total costs that have
- 12:14been reported from that cost analysis.
- 12:16In the United States.
- 12:19And of course,
- 12:20you may ask about what is the impact
- 12:22of the post Natal environment.
- 12:24And of course,
- 12:24we know that there is an effect
- 12:26of the post Natal environment,
- 12:28and in our studies from the Avon
- 12:30Longitudinal Study of Parents and Children,
- 12:32we see that perhaps,
- 12:34as you would expect,
- 12:35children that are exposed to high
- 12:37levels of anxiety in the pre and post
- 12:39Natal period are the children who do
- 12:41worse than children who are exposed
- 12:43to anxiety at one but not both.
- 12:45Time points end up somewhere in the middle.
- 12:48Now hasten to add, this is not a treatment.
- 12:51And study this is not an intervention.
- 12:54This is simply an epidemiological analysis,
- 12:56but I think it provides proof of
- 12:59principle that if we could pull down
- 13:01or reduce maternal symptoms of anxiety,
- 13:04ideally at both time points,
- 13:06we could improve child outcome.
- 13:10So again, just thinking about what are the
- 13:13consequences for untreated perinatal mental
- 13:15health problems on the next generation?
- 13:18Well, I showed you the effects on child
- 13:21outcomes from 4 to 13 years of age,
- 13:24but this is another study
- 13:26from the same cohort.
- 13:28the Avon Longitudinal Study of Parents
- 13:30and Children where they looked at the
- 13:33rates of prenatal depression in women
- 13:36that were born to ALS back moms who
- 13:39either didn't or did experience.
- 13:40Prenatal depression,
- 13:41and so when we look at the daughters of women
- 13:46who didn't experience prenatal depression,
- 13:48we see that around 16% of those
- 13:51women who want to experience prenatal
- 13:53depression in their own pregnancies.
- 13:56So what about the daughters from women
- 13:58who did experience prenatal depression?
- 14:01Or 54% of those women went on to experience
- 14:04prenatal depression in their own pregnancies.
- 14:08So I think you can begin to appreciate.
- 14:11Add there can be marked intergenerational
- 14:14effects of exposure to prenatal
- 14:16depression and this makes it critically
- 14:18important that we try to support
- 14:21pregnant women and their mental
- 14:23health both for the pregnant woman's,
- 14:25all mental and physical health,
- 14:27but also to potentially mitigate the
- 14:30effects of this intergenerational
- 14:33transmission of risk.
- 14:34But there are some unanswered questions
- 14:37and many of you will be looking at and
- 14:40some of the slides that I presented
- 14:42in some of the data that I presented
- 14:45and thinking about the advances
- 14:47that we've made in characterizing
- 14:48genetic variation and thinking,
- 14:50well,
- 14:50isn't this just all confounded
- 14:52by underlying genetic propensity
- 14:54for psychiatric disorders and and
- 14:55there have been many studies that
- 14:58have attempted to address this,
- 14:59perhaps indirectly,
- 15:00and perhaps the most well established or
- 15:02well known paper to address this question.
- 15:05Was at this study by Hanigan and
- 15:08colleagues based in the mobile
- 15:10quarter large Norwegian study of
- 15:13around 30,000 pregnant women,
- 15:15Ann and they used a children of children
- 15:19and sibling children of Twins design.
- 15:22Basically it's a twin study that
- 15:25looks at the offspring and their
- 15:28conclusion was that a genetic
- 15:30factor that explained relatedness
- 15:33between Twins and siblings was.
- 15:36The explanation for the effects of
- 15:38prenatal depression on child outcome.
- 15:40So they concluded that the entire
- 15:43fetal origins hypothesis was
- 15:45confounded by genetic variation using
- 15:47an indirect assessment of genetic
- 15:50variation using a twin design.
- 15:52So we wanted to revisit this question
- 15:55to really ask and provide a more
- 15:58direct test of this hypothesis
- 16:00as to whether or not there was
- 16:03confounding by underlying genetic
- 16:05propensity or genetic vulnerability.
- 16:07For adverse mental health outcomes
- 16:10now many of you will have heard from
- 16:13our recent ground round sessions.
- 16:16The use of polygenic risk scores
- 16:18to capture common variation that is
- 16:21associated with psychiatric disorders
- 16:23and the use of these genetic tools
- 16:26has really an been greatly facilitated
- 16:29by these incredibly large genome
- 16:31wide Association studies largely
- 16:33conducted by the Psychiatric Genomics
- 16:35Consortium where we have.
- 16:3710s or hundreds of thousands of
- 16:40individuals with a psychiatric disorder
- 16:42and where we look at the snips,
- 16:44the genetic variants that are associated
- 16:47with the psychiatric disorder
- 16:49and that provides us with an
- 16:51effect size for that snip and
- 16:53risk of psychiatric disorder.
- 16:55Now what we can do is take those
- 16:58effect sizes and we can count
- 17:00up and using our own data using
- 17:03genetic data from our own court,
- 17:05we can count up the number of.
- 17:08Risk snips that an individual carries,
- 17:11and we can wait.
- 17:12Each one of those snips by the
- 17:15effect size that has been derived
- 17:18from these very large scale genome
- 17:21wide Association studies and what
- 17:23you get is a simple summary score
- 17:26that reflects an individual's
- 17:28genetic vulnerability for adverse
- 17:30mental health outcomes,
- 17:31whether it be ADHD, schizophrenia,
- 17:33or depression.
- 17:34So the general principle is that once
- 17:37we calculate this summary score.
- 17:40And this polygenic risk,
- 17:41or you will generally see that
- 17:44cases or individuals that have
- 17:46high risk for psychiatric disorder,
- 17:48generally have a higher score
- 17:51than non cases or controls.
- 17:54So we use this methodology and
- 17:56we can talk about the limitations
- 17:58of this methodology and in the
- 18:01question period and but we use
- 18:03this methodology as what we think
- 18:05of as the best approach at the
- 18:08moment to capture genetic risk
- 18:10for psychiatric disorders.
- 18:11We calculated these polygenic risk
- 18:13scores in the Outback children
- 18:15around just over 5000 children.
- 18:17We calculated them for ADHD,
- 18:19schizophrenia and depression and then
- 18:21we used child mental health symptoms,
- 18:23derives from the strength.
- 18:25Difficulties questionnaire from age
- 18:284 to 16 years of age and then we use
- 18:32long to tude ainle model modeling.
- 18:35Generalized estimating equations to
- 18:36ask whether or not the prediction
- 18:39from maternal prenatal depression
- 18:42or maternal prenatal anxiety was
- 18:44confounded by child genetic risk for ADHD,
- 18:47schizophrenia, or depression.
- 18:49And.
- 18:49And the take home message from these
- 18:53analysis was that even when we
- 18:55adjusted for child genetic risk for ADHD,
- 18:58schizophrenia,
- 18:59or depression,
- 19:00we still saw a significant
- 19:02independent effect of maternal
- 19:03prenatal depression on child outcome.
- 19:05And this is just a representative
- 19:08figure using the ADHD polygenic
- 19:10risk score and what you can see is
- 19:13that children with a high burden of
- 19:16genetic risk for ADHD and exposed to
- 19:18high levels of maternal prenatal depression.
- 19:21Show increased symptoms relative to
- 19:23children with low genetic risk for
- 19:26ADHD and low and exposure to low
- 19:28levels of maternal prenatal depression,
- 19:30depression and we see this for
- 19:33the external Ising subscale.
- 19:34We see this for the total symptom
- 19:37scores and we see this at four years
- 19:41of age but also at 16 1/2 years of age.
- 19:45Now,
- 19:46one of the interesting observations
- 19:48from this study was that there
- 19:51was no interaction with time.
- 19:53We found a stable prediction from
- 19:56maternal prenatal depression overtime.
- 19:58Conversely, for both the schizophr.
- 20:00Any other polygenic risk score
- 20:02and for the depression polygenic
- 20:05risk or we found a significant
- 20:07interaction with time where the
- 20:09polygenic risk score for schizophrenia
- 20:12or depression strengthened as these
- 20:14children approached adolescence,
- 20:15so perhaps in the question period
- 20:18we can discuss how developmentally
- 20:20dynamic symptoms or phenotypes may
- 20:22require developmentally informed
- 20:24genome wide Association studies,
- 20:26but going back to the question
- 20:28at hand as to whether or not.
- 20:32Effects of the prenatal environment are
- 20:34confounded by child genetic variation.
- 20:36At least from this study,
- 20:39we can see that our best efforts to
- 20:41assess genetic risk for psychiatric
- 20:43disorders doesn't seem to confound
- 20:46the Association between maternal,
- 20:48prenatal depression or maternal
- 20:50prenatal anxiety and child outcome,
- 20:52and we do see an independent significant
- 20:55prediction from child genetic risk
- 20:58factors with the child ADHD PRS
- 21:00being the strongest predictor.
- 21:03Now for many years we spend a lot of
- 21:05time talking about the importance
- 21:07of maternal mental health,
- 21:09but of course maternal mental health
- 21:11can be associated with many other
- 21:13phenotypes that are also at risk
- 21:15factors for adverse mental health
- 21:17outcomes and one of the other
- 21:19exposures that we were particularly
- 21:21interested in assessing and perhaps
- 21:23especially relevant in the context
- 21:24of an ongoing global pandemic,
- 21:26was the role of maternal infection,
- 21:28and again with the idea of trying
- 21:31to understand whether or not there
- 21:33could be synergy between.
- 21:34Maternal prenatal anxiety or depression
- 21:37and maternal infection to produce
- 21:40an works outcomes for the child and
- 21:44what you're looking at here in this
- 21:47slide is symptoms from the social
- 21:49communication disorder checklist,
- 21:51which can be thought of as essentially
- 21:54symptoms related to autism like features,
- 21:57and we cut,
- 21:59characterized or assessed maternal
- 22:01infection in pregnancy,
- 22:02and we particularly focused on.
- 22:05Infections that may give rise to systemic,
- 22:08an inflammation and infection an
- 22:10and what we found was that the
- 22:12number of maternal infections was
- 22:14associated with increased symptoms.
- 22:16Scores for the social communication
- 22:19disorder checklist and the question
- 22:21was whether or not maternal
- 22:23anxiety would have an independent
- 22:24effect and multiplicative effect,
- 22:26and what we found was indeed
- 22:29an additive effect.
- 22:30An independent additive effect
- 22:32of maternal prenatal anxiety,
- 22:33and infection on child symptoms.
- 22:36We saw this first social
- 22:37communication disorder checklist,
- 22:39but also for symptoms of 80 HD.
- 22:42So,
- 22:42just to summarize this first part of my talk.
- 22:45I think that what we've documented
- 22:47using the OS backward is that there
- 22:49can be a persisting influence of the
- 22:51prenatal environment on child outcome,
- 22:53and we don't think that this is completely
- 22:56confounded by child genetic risk factors.
- 22:58Could it be amplified by
- 23:01genetic variation in the child?
- 23:03That's an open question and we have
- 23:06published papers previously showing
- 23:08evidence of gene environment interactions
- 23:11and the prediction of child outcome.
- 23:14Really highlights is that there are
- 23:17multiple opportunities to intervene to
- 23:19try and improve maternal mental health,
- 23:21ideally as early as possible in
- 23:23pregnancy and certainly early
- 23:25in the post Natal period.
- 23:27Of course,
- 23:28I think our data also speak to the
- 23:30importance of considering maternal
- 23:32physical health as another point of
- 23:35intervention to ensure that we can
- 23:38bolster both maternal well being but
- 23:40also potentially improve child outcome.
- 23:43Now one of the characteristics
- 23:45of this research area,
- 23:47the developmental origins
- 23:48of health and disease,
- 23:49is that there can be marked
- 23:51variation or marked individual
- 23:53differences in the effects of the
- 23:55prenatal environment on child
- 23:57outcome, and the question is,
- 23:59how can we better identify children
- 24:01that are at risk and to try and get at
- 24:04this question or address this question?
- 24:07And I moved to Montreal to
- 24:09study social epigenetics with
- 24:11Michael Meaney and that's really.
- 24:13Features heavily in my current
- 24:15research program because epigenetics,
- 24:17really, while it's heavily involved
- 24:19in cellular differentiation,
- 24:20there was a paradigm shift in
- 24:22the early 2000s where we began to
- 24:25appreciate that the environment could
- 24:27also shape epigenetic modifications.
- 24:29But before we get into that,
- 24:32I think it's helpful to start with a
- 24:35definition of epigenetics and I like
- 24:37add this definition that comes from
- 24:40the road map project and which is really.
- 24:43Markable initiative that sought to
- 24:45act as a parallel to the Human Genome
- 24:49Project and to characterize different
- 24:52epigenetic modifications across the
- 24:54genome and across different cells
- 24:56and tissues and integrate those
- 24:58data to provide a richer perspective
- 25:00and a deeper understanding of the
- 25:03epigenome across cells and tissues.
- 25:05Now,
- 25:06what many of you on the call
- 25:09will probably be aware of is the
- 25:12very controversial area of.
- 25:14Transgenerational epigenetic inheritance,
- 25:15which posits that epigenetics
- 25:17states can be transmitted across
- 25:19multiple generations with Fidelity,
- 25:21and the evidence for that in
- 25:23humans is lacking an.
- 25:25As I mentioned,
- 25:27it is a very controversial subject,
- 25:29and there is an excellent review by
- 25:32Edith Heard for any of you that are
- 25:35interested in getting a having a
- 25:38deeper dive into this controversy,
- 25:41but also the evidence we can see.
- 25:44Evidence for transgenerational
- 25:45epigenetic inheritance in C.
- 25:47Elegans.
- 25:47In certain plants,
- 25:48an Indra Sofala fruit flies and but
- 25:51again trying to establish that evidence
- 25:54in humans is particularly challenging.
- 25:57It doesn't rule out the possibility an,
- 26:00but there is no clear evidence for
- 26:03that in humans at the current time.
- 26:06But when I think about epigenetics
- 26:09and really the definition that
- 26:11I use in my work is different.
- 26:14The genetic states or epigenetic
- 26:16modifications that can alter the
- 26:18transcriptional potential of a cell,
- 26:20or indeed a system and what I mean by
- 26:23that is directly related to gene expression,
- 26:27so epigenetic modifications have the
- 26:29potential to alter gene expression,
- 26:31and that's one of the reasons that
- 26:34people are so interested in the
- 26:36epigenome trying to understand how
- 26:39these epigenetic modifications can
- 26:40alter the function of the genome.
- 26:43And as.
- 26:44Doctor Martin very kindly pointed
- 26:46out we've written a review on
- 26:49the evidence for and against the
- 26:52epigenome underlying the biological
- 26:54embedding of experience and what
- 26:56we conclude from this review is
- 26:59that there is quite a lot of a good
- 27:02correlational evidence suggesting
- 27:04that the epigenome may underlie the
- 27:07biological embedding of experience,
- 27:10but trying to establish causality
- 27:12does require model or.
- 27:14Organisms and I think,
- 27:16will be greatly facilitated by the
- 27:18advent of EPI genome editing technology,
- 27:21where we can actually directly
- 27:23manipulate in a site specific
- 27:24manner and different epigenetic
- 27:26States and establish functional
- 27:28associations with gene expression
- 27:30and different brain based phenotypes.
- 27:32Now the modification that
- 27:34I'm going to spend most of
- 27:36my time talking about today
- 27:38is that of DNA methylation,
- 27:41which is the addition of a
- 27:43methyl group are represented.
- 27:45Here in red to a cytisine,
- 27:47that's a C in the genetic code,
- 27:50Anne Anne, but I also want to point
- 27:52out from this figure from this
- 27:54review that this is one of many
- 27:57different epigenetic modifications.
- 27:59In fact, some people call them
- 28:01epigenetic systems that work in
- 28:03conjunction with one another,
- 28:05and as we make progress in our
- 28:07understanding of the epigenome,
- 28:09and indeed, social epigenomics,
- 28:11we're beginning to realize the
- 28:13importance of integrating different
- 28:14layers and levels of information.
- 28:16About the epigynum.
- 28:18To fully understand its impact
- 28:21on genome function.
- 28:22So let's think about this
- 28:24in more simple terms.
- 28:26I think it can be very helpful to think
- 28:29about the epigenome in terms of metaphor.
- 28:32And so some great metaphors exist to
- 28:34try and add describe the epigenome.
- 28:37I particularly like the idea of
- 28:39the epigenome as a conductor,
- 28:41so as sheet music and as a conductor.
- 28:44So we think about genes being the
- 28:46individual and instruments or musicians.
- 28:48And really,
- 28:49if we want to create a Symphony to create.
- 28:53A phenotype that makes sense.
- 28:55It's important that all of these
- 28:57different units and work together
- 28:59in a coordinated manner,
- 29:00and one of the ways that they
- 29:03do so is by following the signs
- 29:06of the signals of the conductor.
- 29:08One of the other metaphors that I
- 29:11love to use to describe how the
- 29:13epigenome influences the function
- 29:15of the genome is that of grammar,
- 29:18and so you can have all of the
- 29:21correct letters and text.
- 29:23In a book, but if you don't have punctuation,
- 29:27if you don't have grammar,
- 29:29then you lose all meaning and we all
- 29:32know that grammar can be critically
- 29:35important for our understanding of text,
- 29:38and similarly with the epigenome.
- 29:40Epigenetic modifications are critically
- 29:42important for placing emphasis on
- 29:44certain genes or silencing other genes,
- 29:47so really playing a functional role.
- 29:50Now,
- 29:50historically we've thought
- 29:51about DNA methylation as being
- 29:53a repressive modification.
- 29:55People have likened it to a light switch,
- 29:58so turning a gene on turning.
- 30:00Aging off and the evidence really
- 30:03to support DNA methylation
- 30:04as a repressive modification.
- 30:06Cones from X inactivation where DNA
- 30:09methylation plays a role in silencing
- 30:11one of the X chromosomes an in females,
- 30:15but also from an imprinting where
- 30:18there can be silencing of 1 copy
- 30:21of a gene for ad that occurs
- 30:23in a parent of origin fashion.
- 30:26But we've begun to realize that we
- 30:28as we add more deeply characterized
- 30:31DNA methylation.
- 30:32Is that it's Association with gene
- 30:34expression can be more nuanced.
- 30:36In some cases it can act like a dimmer
- 30:40switch, turning gene expression up,
- 30:41or Dan.
- 30:42Indeed in other situations,
- 30:44demethylation is not associated
- 30:45with gene expression,
- 30:46and in other cases still we can find
- 30:49the DNA methylation at certain sites
- 30:51within a gene can actually alter
- 30:54the product or the splice variant
- 30:56that's produced from a given gene.
- 30:58I think the take home message is that
- 31:01the context is critically important.
- 31:03Another cool curring epigenetic modifications
- 31:05can also have an impact on whether
- 31:08or not DNA methylation is negatively
- 31:10associated with gene expression or
- 31:12positively associated with gene expression,
- 31:15or indeed not associated
- 31:17with gene expression at all.
- 31:20Now, one thing to consider when we look
- 31:22at DNA methylation across the genome is
- 31:25that DNA methylation is a binary event,
- 31:28it's either on or it's off.
- 31:30But throughout my talk you'll hear me talking
- 31:33perhaps about percentage DNA methylation,
- 31:3590% DNA methylation, 60% DNA methylation,
- 31:38or 10% DNA methylation, and that is
- 31:40because when we look at DNA methylation,
- 31:43particularly in clinical studies,
- 31:44we're looking at an average across
- 31:47multiple cells, and so when we look within.
- 31:50Multiple cells we can see that there may
- 31:53be methylation at a given site in one cell,
- 31:56but not in another,
- 31:58and so when we report back DNA methylation,
- 32:01an results were talking about
- 32:03it as percentage metalation.
- 32:05Essentially,
- 32:05the number of metalation marks within
- 32:07the cells of your tissue of interest.
- 32:10And that brings me to one of the issues
- 32:13with epigenetics in clinical studies,
- 32:16and that is the rule of
- 32:18cellular heterogeneity.
- 32:19So one of the principle
- 32:21rules of the epigenome.
- 32:22Is to ensure that there is cellular
- 32:25differentiation and the maintenance
- 32:27of those cellular phenotypes,
- 32:29and in fact where you have disorders
- 32:32related to DNA methylation.
- 32:34Another epigenetic modifications.
- 32:36You can require pluripotency increase
- 32:38the stemness of these cells,
- 32:40giving rise to disorders and
- 32:43diseases such as cancer.
- 32:45But one of the other interesting
- 32:48features of the epigenome and one of
- 32:51the functions that is emerging for the
- 32:53epigenome is the idea of genomic priming.
- 32:56So this is the idea that there can
- 32:59be an exposure that gives rise to a
- 33:02change in an epigenetic state such
- 33:05as DNA methylation, and that am,
- 33:08instills,
- 33:08or instantiates the capacity to then
- 33:11have an even greater response to an
- 33:13exposure subject to subsequent exposures.
- 33:16That an individual or sell may
- 33:18experience as subsequently,
- 33:20and this is really nicely articulated
- 33:22in this paper from my colleague
- 33:24Nadine Provincal,
- 33:25working with Elizabeth ****** where
- 33:27they treated hippocampal stem
- 33:29cells with dexamethasone,
- 33:30which is a synthetic glucocorticoid.
- 33:32And you can think of it like
- 33:35a synthetic cortisol,
- 33:37an that produced widespread changes
- 33:39in DNA methylation and what was
- 33:41interesting about this particular study
- 33:43was that the changes in DNA methylation.
- 33:46Didn't always correlate with the gene
- 33:49expression response to dexamethasone,
- 33:51but the DNA methylation changes that
- 33:53did occur did predict the magnitude
- 33:56of response to subsequent exposures
- 33:58to dexamethasone,
- 33:59supporting this notion of genomic priming,
- 34:02and you may be asking,
- 34:04well, how could that occur?
- 34:07What would be the molecular mechanism?
- 34:09Well,
- 34:10one of the reasons that we're interested
- 34:13in steroid hormones such as cortisol,
- 34:16progesterone, estradiol,
- 34:17testosterone.
- 34:17Is because they are there.
- 34:19Their receptors are nuclear receptors.
- 34:22So when you have high levels of
- 34:24glucocorticoids such as cortisol,
- 34:26they can bind to the glucocorticoid
- 34:29receptor highlighted here in Gray,
- 34:31and the binding of that receptor
- 34:33to the DNA can
- 34:35result in DNA demethylation or changes
- 34:38in DNA methylation at the site that
- 34:41the transcription factor binds.
- 34:43So here you can see before
- 34:46exposure to glucocorticoids.
- 34:47You have higher levels of DNA methylation
- 34:50at this particular site or glucocorticoid
- 34:53response element then you have
- 34:55glucocorticoids binding to its receptor,
- 34:57resulting in changes in DNA methylation
- 34:59and then when you have subsequent
- 35:02exposures to glucocorticoids,
- 35:03you then have enhanced response
- 35:05to that exposure.
- 35:07And I think this is a particularly
- 35:10interesting hypothesis and model
- 35:12when we think about the effects
- 35:14of prenatal adversity or early
- 35:16adversity and how that may.
- 35:18Confer or prime the genome for subsequent
- 35:23exposures or responses to those exposures.
- 35:27So how do we analyze DNA methylation?
- 35:30Well,
- 35:30there are many approaches that we can use.
- 35:33We can use an epigenome wide
- 35:35Association study or metalation
- 35:37wide Association study an if we use
- 35:40whole genome bisulfite sequencing,
- 35:42we can assess roughly around 24 million
- 35:44CPG's more commonly because of cost.
- 35:47We're using an microarray based technology
- 35:49where we assess around 850,000 sites.
- 35:52Now, what you can quickly appreciate
- 35:54is that you're going to need very.
- 35:57Large courts to to adjust for
- 36:00multiple comparisons with so many
- 36:02sites and so what's promising in
- 36:04this regard is the PACE consortium,
- 36:07which is a consortium that's combining
- 36:10multiple different studies to
- 36:12perform meta analysis of prenatal
- 36:14exposures on DNA methylation.
- 36:16So they have performed a meta analysis
- 36:19of maternal prenatal smoking and
- 36:21DNA methylation and cord blood,
- 36:23and found over 2000 sites that
- 36:26survived genome wide.
- 36:27Adjustment and then the figure that
- 36:30you're looking at here on the right
- 36:32is showing all of the sites in
- 36:35blue and red across the different
- 36:37chromosomes in the human genome
- 36:39that were associated with infant
- 36:41birth weight in cord blood and
- 36:44from around 9000 participants.
- 36:46Now,
- 36:46one of the challenges with this approach is,
- 36:49as I said, you need very large sample sizes,
- 36:53but you also ideally would
- 36:55need to have longitudinal data.
- 36:57So for example in the birth weight
- 36:59study that I'm talking about here,
- 37:02they identified around 900 CPG's that
- 37:04were associated with birth weight
- 37:06for a subset of those participants.
- 37:09They then had longitudinal data and
- 37:11what they found was that of those
- 37:14900 sites only around 10% of them.
- 37:17We're still associated with
- 37:19birth weight at 7 years of age,
- 37:22and this highlights a complexity with
- 37:25epigenetic analysis that you don't have
- 37:28as it's not as strong a confounder
- 37:30with genome wide Association studies.
- 37:33This idea that there can be
- 37:35dynamic change in DNA methylation
- 37:37requiring longitudinal sampling.
- 37:40So what approaches can we
- 37:42take to overcome these issues?
- 37:44Well,
- 37:45one approach that has I've used extensively.
- 37:48Is that of an biomarkers?
- 37:50Epigenetic biomarkers that distill
- 37:52down and genome wide data into
- 37:55a single unit of measurements,
- 37:57and perhaps the most well
- 38:00established of these biomarkers,
- 38:01is that of epigenetic age,
- 38:04initially developed by Steve Horvath,
- 38:06an at UCLA Ann,
- 38:08and the idea with these epigenetic
- 38:10biomarkers is that we can identify
- 38:13sites that are predictive
- 38:15of chronological age,
- 38:17and we can create.
- 38:18A measure of epigenetic
- 38:20age for an individual.
- 38:22These clocks now exist with
- 38:24multi tissue predictors,
- 38:25so you can take any biological
- 38:27sample from anyone and you can then
- 38:30measure their epigenetic age and
- 38:32what we notice in population levels
- 38:34is that there are some individuals
- 38:37that you'll hire epigenetic age,
- 38:39relative chronological age and
- 38:40others that show lower epigenetic
- 38:42age relative to their chronological
- 38:44age and what's interesting is
- 38:46that those individuals with higher
- 38:48epigenetic age acceleration.
- 38:50Show increase risk for age related?
- 38:55Disorders including cardiovascular disease,
- 38:58but also all cause mortality.
- 39:01Now, one of the challenges with
- 39:03this epigenetic Clock from the
- 39:05multi tissue epigenetic Clock
- 39:07is that it was developed using
- 39:09primarily samples from adults and
- 39:11they ranged in age from zero to 100,
- 39:14but it was primarily samples from
- 39:16adult participants and the error in
- 39:18the prediction of the epigenetic
- 39:20Clock is around 3.6 years and
- 39:22which obviously is a very long
- 39:25time in the life of a child.
- 39:27So we set about creating a
- 39:30novel pediatric specific.
- 39:31Epigenetic Clock,
- 39:32which was published last year.
- 39:34We used approximately 2000 DNA
- 39:36methylome's and we simply asked what
- 39:38were the sites that were associated
- 39:41with chronological age in this cohort.
- 39:43This is data from longitudinal cohort
- 39:45where we use the original epigenetic
- 39:47Clock with longitudinal samples,
- 39:49and what you can appreciate from this is
- 39:52that the slopes are all over the place.
- 39:55An long digital samples that
- 39:57should be epigenetically older
- 39:59are appearing epigenetic.
- 40:01Younger and you can see this again here,
- 40:03and this simply reflects the error
- 40:05in the conventional epigenetic Clock.
- 40:07When we plot these data using the
- 40:09new pediatric epigenetic Clock,
- 40:11I think you can appreciate that the
- 40:13slopes become a lot more positive,
- 40:15so we brought the error in prediction of
- 40:18epigenetic age down to around six months,
- 40:21and many of you may be thinking,
- 40:23well, you know, that's great.
- 40:25You can just calculate someones
- 40:26age based on their date of birth.
- 40:29What is what value is this?
- 40:31An and so in this particular study,
- 40:34what we found was that children
- 40:36of the autism spectrum disorder
- 40:38had accelerated epigenetic age,
- 40:40an Association that we saw with the
- 40:42pediatric specific epigenetic Clock,
- 40:44but not with the conventional Horvath Clock.
- 40:47But of course,
- 40:48bringing us back to the topic of interest,
- 40:51the fetal origins of health and disease,
- 40:54we wanted to ask whether or not
- 40:56maternal prenatal anxiety would
- 40:58be associated with epigenetic age,
- 41:00acceleration,
- 41:00and to do that we made use of
- 41:03two longitudinal at courts,
- 41:05one from the Netherlands.
- 41:06That's primarily Caucasian one
- 41:08from Singapore,
- 41:09that's multi ethnic and what we found
- 41:11was that maternal prenatal anxiety
- 41:13was associated with accelerated
- 41:15epigenetic age at six years of age.
- 41:17In the 10 years of age in the Bible
- 41:20course and again we replicated
- 41:23this in the coastal court,
- 41:25finding that maternal prenatal
- 41:26anxiety was associated with
- 41:28accelerated epigenetic age,
- 41:29an effect that strengthens overtime
- 41:32is particularly pronounced at 48
- 41:35months of age. Now, one of the questions
- 41:37that again I'm very interested in is
- 41:40is trying to understand whether or not
- 41:41there are features or aspects of the
- 41:44Pulcinella environment that may be able
- 41:46to buffer or moderate the effects of the
- 41:48prenatal environment on epigenetic states.
- 41:50Because of course it's very
- 41:52depressing to to give a talk and say,
- 41:54well, it's all over at birth,
- 41:56and of course it's much more optimistic
- 41:58and positive to say that there are
- 42:00potential interventions that we can
- 42:02implement that may buffer or mitigate
- 42:04the effects of prenatal adversity.
- 42:06This is a paper from my PhD mentors
- 42:08showing that an infant attachment style,
- 42:11so each child's perception of
- 42:13the predictability an index of
- 42:16the quality of care in the pools.
- 42:18Naval environment moderates the
- 42:20Association between prenatal cortisol
- 42:21exposure and child cognitive development.
- 42:23Of course, other examples exist.
- 42:25This is from the Boukris Early
- 42:28Intervention Project,
- 42:28showing that secure an infant attachment
- 42:31can buffer or moderate the effects of
- 42:34early adversity on child psychopathology.
- 42:36So of course,
- 42:37the question we wanted to ask with
- 42:39this study was whether or not infant
- 42:42attachment would buffer or moderate the
- 42:44effects of maternal prenatal anxiety
- 42:46on child epigenetic age acceleration.
- 42:48And this is unpublished data.
- 42:49But what we find is that yes indeed in
- 42:52children that have secure attachment
- 42:53we see a positive but nonsignificant
- 42:55Association between maternal prenatal
- 42:57anxiety and child epigenetic age
- 43:00acceleration,
- 43:00but the effects of maternal prenatal
- 43:02anxiety on child epigenetic age
- 43:04acceleration are particularly
- 43:05pronounced in children.
- 43:06With an insecure attachment style.
- 43:09Again supporting this idea of a potential,
- 43:12pools Natal moderation of infant attachment.
- 43:16Now of course there are other M
- 43:19epigenetic biomarkers that we can
- 43:21use to try and probe our describe
- 43:23the effects of the environment
- 43:25on health related outcomes.
- 43:27This is one that we're starting
- 43:29to make use of.
- 43:31It's a second generation after genetic
- 43:33Clock and what is different about
- 43:35this epigenetic biomarker is that it
- 43:37incorporates information about plasma
- 43:39proteins that are associated with
- 43:41cardiovascular disease risk as well
- 43:43as sites that are associated with.
- 43:46Aging and we wanted to determine
- 43:48whether or not there was any Association
- 43:50between an early adversity and this
- 43:53epigenetic biomarker making use
- 43:55of the Nurse Family Partnership,
- 43:57which many of you will know is
- 43:59a randomized control trial of
- 44:01the perinatal intervention that
- 44:02targets vulnerable low income.
- 44:04First time moms and it provides
- 44:06nurse visitations have been shown to
- 44:09reduce child maltreatment an improve
- 44:10outcomes for both mothers and children.
- 44:13We published the first epigenetic
- 44:15analysis in this cohort.
- 44:16A collaboration with Jim Lechman and
- 44:19Elena Grigorenko when she was based
- 44:21here and we found that there was some
- 44:24preliminary Association between nurse
- 44:26Visitation and variation in DNA methylation.
- 44:29But really the take home message was
- 44:32that there was a profound effect of
- 44:35childhood maltreatment on DNA methylation,
- 44:37but we couldn't distinguish the
- 44:39effects of maltreatment from,
- 44:41say, for example,
- 44:42the effects of associated
- 44:44confounders like smoking.
- 44:45So what about?
- 44:47This measure of epigenetic age,
- 44:49acceleration in the context of the Nurse,
- 44:52Family, Partnership,
- 44:52or what we see is that children with
- 44:55a documented or substantiated case of
- 44:58child maltreatment show accelerated
- 44:59epigenetic aging using this disease.
- 45:02Relevant epigenetic biomarker.
- 45:03But what about when we break this
- 45:06down by an intervention group or
- 45:08what we find is that in the nurse
- 45:11visit a group in purple here and
- 45:14the yellow is the control group.
- 45:16We find no difference in
- 45:18epigenetic age acceleration.
- 45:19As a function in those individuals that
- 45:22don't have a history of child maltreatment.
- 45:25But when we look in the group that does
- 45:27have a history of child maltreatment,
- 45:30we see significantly increased
- 45:31an epigenetic age,
- 45:33acceleration and those individuals that
- 45:34have a history of child maltreatment
- 45:37that are in the control group.
- 45:39But it seems that exposure to
- 45:41nurse Visitation to that early
- 45:42intervention seems to be buffering
- 45:44the effects of child maltreatment.
- 45:46An epigenetic age acceleration.
- 45:48Now we can discuss.
- 45:50Potential explanations for this
- 45:51one possibility is that perhaps
- 45:53the severity of abuse was less in
- 45:56the nurse visited group that there
- 45:58was greater surveillance of abuse,
- 46:00and the nurse visited group an.
- 46:02An alternative hypothesis is that
- 46:04the early intervention is providing
- 46:06some buffering capacity,
- 46:07so even in the face of child maltreatment,
- 46:10there's less of an impact on
- 46:12epigenetic age acceleration just
- 46:14in the last couple of minutes.
- 46:16I just like to tell you about one of
- 46:19the biomarker that we're making use of.
- 46:22Which is a measure that relates
- 46:24to this paper I highlighted,
- 46:27previously speaking to this
- 46:28idea of genomic priming,
- 46:30and in this paper they created an epigenetic
- 46:33biomarker of glucocorticoid exposure,
- 46:35and so this essentially we can create
- 46:38a an index or a proxy measure for
- 46:41glucocorticoid exposure based on
- 46:43DNA methylation, and so we created.
- 46:46We use this array.
- 46:47Tested this out in a court
- 46:50where we had DNA methylation.
- 46:52Data upper than at one year of age in a
- 46:55cohort from the University of California,
- 46:58Irvine,
- 46:58and we also had structural imaging in
- 47:01this cohort and what we simply asked
- 47:03was whether or not the sites that
- 47:05were associated DNA methylation sites
- 47:07that were associated with maternal
- 47:09prenatal depression did they overlap
- 47:11with the sites that were identified
- 47:13to be glucocorticoid sensitive sites
- 47:15in that paper that I showed you.
- 47:17And indeed,
- 47:18we found significant enrichment
- 47:19of glucocorticoid sensitive sites
- 47:21in the sites that were associated
- 47:23maternal prenatal depression.
- 47:24And when we created this Google
- 47:27Corticoid exposure score,
- 47:28we saw a significant negative Association
- 47:30between maternal prenatal depression
- 47:32and this glucocorticoid exposure score.
- 47:34And interesting Lee,
- 47:35what we found was that this glucocorticoid
- 47:38exposure score at birth predicted
- 47:40lower hippocampal volume birth,
- 47:41and as you'll appreciate,
- 47:43the hippocampus is enriched
- 47:45for glucocorticoid receptors.
- 47:46So we find that the direction of
- 47:48this Association is consistent
- 47:50with a higher maternal prenatal
- 47:52liberation predicting a lower score.
- 47:55And a lower score predicting
- 47:58lower hippocampal volume.
- 47:59So, just to summarize,
- 48:01I think that with some of the
- 48:03studies that I've tried to
- 48:05highlight perhaps very quickly
- 48:06today, we can see that variation in
- 48:09DNA methylation is associated with
- 48:10variation in the early environment.
- 48:12I think as we move towards trying to
- 48:15make these findings clinically relevant,
- 48:17we need to move towards more integrative
- 48:19models where we're incorporating
- 48:20measures of genetic variation,
- 48:22and we're incorporating an greater
- 48:24measures of the social environment,
- 48:26and I think one way that we
- 48:28can really begin to probe.
- 48:30Causal associations between the social
- 48:32environment and epigenetic states
- 48:34is through the use of interventions,
- 48:36and this is an area that I'm
- 48:39particularly keen to do more work in,
- 48:42and one collaboration that I'm very
- 48:44excited about is a cluster randomized
- 48:46control trial of parental intervention
- 48:48that begins in early pregnancy that
- 48:51seeks to reduce prenatal anxiety
- 48:53and depression but also provide an
- 48:56information about nutrition and sleep,
- 48:58trying to reduce domestic violence, an.
- 49:00An increase female empowerment and
- 49:02we're doing this in rural Vietnam
- 49:04with my colleague James Fisher,
- 49:06where one in three women can
- 49:08experience or struggle with their
- 49:10mental health and pregnancy.
- 49:12We're just coordinating to receive
- 49:14samples from approximately 1200 mothers
- 49:17and their infants with biological
- 49:18samples at birth at 12 months and a 24
- 49:21months MA which have been collected
- 49:23in parallel with standardized
- 49:25measures of child newer development.
- 49:27And really the goal with these
- 49:29kind of studies and the goal of.
- 49:32Understanding epigenetic States and
- 49:34modifications and implementing them
- 49:36in clinical studies is really to
- 49:38try and understand how we can make
- 49:40interventions work from war individuals,
- 49:42so I'll leave it there with maybe
- 49:45just one kind of call to action.
- 49:47I was very pleased to be invited to
- 49:49take part in the Scientific Council
- 49:52of Postpartum Support International,
- 49:54and this is a plug for their
- 49:56national strategy on how we can
- 49:59improve perinatal mental health.
- 50:00And so I think this is a societal problem
- 50:03that requires a societal response,
- 50:06and I think we're all responsible
- 50:07for playing our part and trying
- 50:10to support perinatal mental health
- 50:12and recognizing that there are
- 50:14structural and societal factors
- 50:15that we can target and to try and
- 50:18improve perinatal mental health.
- 50:19And this isn't just all pregnant mothers
- 50:22and have another thing to worry about an,
- 50:25so I'll leave it with that and just
- 50:28thank you all for your attention and take.
- 50:31Any questions?
- 50:41Fantastic. Questions please.
- 50:43Just go for it or put it in the text.
- 50:51Hi, this is Flora. Do you hear me?
- 50:54Yes yes Laura hi sorry hi,
- 50:57how are you really? Nice talk.
- 50:59I had a question um so so as you
- 51:02know epigenetics are very much
- 51:04self type an organ specific so
- 51:07perhaps you can clarify for us.
- 51:10I mean of course studies in humans
- 51:13cannot be done in brain whereas
- 51:16studies in animals can and I'm
- 51:18assuming some of those that you.
- 51:21Elucidated or talked about where
- 51:23done in mouse or rat brains, right?
- 51:27So perhaps,
- 51:28given the course profound difficulties,
- 51:31you know?
- 51:32Same brain samples from humans
- 51:35living individuals.
- 51:37Is it been any study in animals that has?
- 51:41Um illuminated this concept to
- 51:43what extent peripheral samples
- 51:45like blood can inform us on what's
- 51:48actually happening in the brain or
- 51:50the individuals as they grow up,
- 51:52and an and develop.
- 51:55Yeah floor this is such
- 51:57a great great question.
- 51:58And as as you've shown with your own work,
- 52:02talking about somatic mutations,
- 52:03and we know that even genetic variants
- 52:06may not be shared across different
- 52:08tissues and so there have been
- 52:11attempts to address this problem.
- 52:13And so for example,
- 52:14there's a tool called Pecan
- 52:16developed by Michael Horror,
- 52:18Gustavo Tracking Michael Meaney,
- 52:19which actually does a paired comparison of
- 52:22DNA methylation in multiple brain regions,
- 52:24and unfortunately is just
- 52:26in peripheral blood.
- 52:27At the moment and looks at the
- 52:29correspondence between DNA methylation and
- 52:31in blood with different brain regions,
- 52:33and they identify CPG's that show a
- 52:36higher degree of concordance than others.
- 52:38I think your point is well taken,
- 52:41this is the idea that we can take
- 52:43a peripheral sample like blood and
- 52:46say that this is going to predict
- 52:48DNA methylation state in a neuron in
- 52:51the dentate gyrus of the hippocampus
- 52:53I think would is a stretch.
- 52:55I think that it's going to.
- 52:58Be very challenging to identify and
- 53:00sites where there is a high degree
- 53:03of correspondence in specific brain
- 53:05nuclei between brain and blood.
- 53:07Where I think we can begin to get
- 53:09a better understanding of pathways
- 53:11that are likely to be shared across
- 53:15brain and periphery is if we focus on
- 53:18specific regions in the genome where
- 53:20there may be snips that influence
- 53:22DNA methylation in the periphery that
- 53:25also are shared snips that influence DNS.
- 53:28Relation in central and we can use
- 53:30the peripheral tissue essentially as
- 53:32a model Organism to say look this
- 53:34proof of principle that this exposure
- 53:36influences DNA methylation or inclusion.
- 53:38Influences the relationship between the
- 53:40snip and DNA methylation in the periphery.
- 53:43And perhaps this could be
- 53:45occurring in the brain.
- 53:46But then we would need to
- 53:48document that experimentally,
- 53:49either in cell culture in ipsc's.
- 54:04Any other questions anyone?
- 54:12Well, it's. It is 2:00 o'clock,
- 54:14Kieran saved by the Bell.
- 54:16But thank you so much that was really
- 54:18a marvelous presentation and we learn
- 54:20so much and wonderful to have you
- 54:22here and we look forward to all that
- 54:24you'll teach us another ideal do.
- 54:26So thank you here and thank you
- 54:28very much. Thank you everyone.