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Just Breathe: Why breathing is so effective in reducing stress and how it can serve as a tool for influencing well-being

May 25, 2023

YCSC Grand Rounds May 9, 2023

Priya Narayanan, MD, Instructor, SKY Healing Breaths Program

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  • 00:00Wonderful. Well, good afternoon,
  • 00:02everyone and welcome to Grand Rounds.
  • 00:04And it seems somewhat unusual to
  • 00:05be back in this virtual format,
  • 00:07but we're very grateful to be joined today
  • 00:10by a speaker joining us from the West
  • 00:12Coast who will introduce in just a moment.
  • 00:14So we're delighted to be sharing
  • 00:16this virtual space together.
  • 00:17And just a reminder about
  • 00:19grand rounds next week,
  • 00:20we'll have a very special Donald
  • 00:22Donald Cohen lecture for this year.
  • 00:25Amy Clinton will be joining us from Emory.
  • 00:27So please do join us in person in
  • 00:30the Cohen Auditorium next week.
  • 00:33And now it is my great pleasure
  • 00:35and to ask Amelia Krishnan to
  • 00:37introduce our speaker for today.
  • 00:40Amelia, over to you.
  • 00:42Thank you, Karen.
  • 00:43Thank you everyone for being here.
  • 00:44I'm Amaya and have been connected
  • 00:46to the Yale Child Study Center
  • 00:49in a few different roles over
  • 00:51the past almost nine years.
  • 00:53First as a social work fellow,
  • 00:55then clinician,
  • 00:55currently as a trainee from the
  • 00:57Yale School of Nursing and then
  • 00:59joining the outpatient clinic
  • 01:01as a nurse practitioner in July.
  • 01:03And it is my great honor to get to
  • 01:05introduce Doctor Priyanna Dyan,
  • 01:07our speaker today.
  • 01:09Doctor Nadayanan received her medical
  • 01:11degree from McGill University in Montreal,
  • 01:14completed her psychiatry residency
  • 01:16at NYU Medical Center and fellowship
  • 01:19in forensics psychiatry at
  • 01:21Albert Einstein Medical Center.
  • 01:23Dr.
  • 01:24Nadayanan currently works in
  • 01:26an ACT Assertive Community
  • 01:27treatment program in Los Angeles,
  • 01:29treating people with severe and
  • 01:31chronic psychiatric illness,
  • 01:32many of whom are experiencing
  • 01:35homelessness and other structural
  • 01:36and psychosocial stressors.
  • 01:38Doctor Nadayanan is also a senior
  • 01:40faculty member with the Sky Healing
  • 01:43Breaths program and travels around
  • 01:45the country to teach meditation and
  • 01:47self development workshops to focus
  • 01:50on addressing burnout and increasing
  • 01:52resiliency among healthcare workers.
  • 01:54She is a strong advocate for the role of
  • 01:56integrative modalities in recovery and
  • 01:58wellbeing and promotes the role of yoga,
  • 02:01meditation,
  • 02:01breath work,
  • 02:02and a holistic perspective on
  • 02:04healthy living as adjuncts to
  • 02:06conventional psychiatric treatment.
  • 02:08I would also like to note that
  • 02:10she is an awardwinning documentary
  • 02:11filmmaker and taught the first
  • 02:14sky breathing workshop held in
  • 02:16the Cohen Auditorium in 2015.
  • 02:18I'm so glad that she could return to
  • 02:20our community to share this knowledge
  • 02:21and some of the practices with us today.
  • 02:23So without further ado,
  • 02:25over to you,
  • 02:26Priya,
  • 02:26thank you.
  • 02:28Thank you, Amia.
  • 02:30Amia snuck in some details that I
  • 02:32had not submitted to her in the bio,
  • 02:35which was very sweet of her to do.
  • 02:38It's lovely to be back at Yale with all
  • 02:41of you and also just the joy sometimes
  • 02:44of not having to travel all the way
  • 02:47and to be able to do this on Zoom.
  • 02:49For those of us who don't travel so
  • 02:51easily or feel exhausted from it,
  • 02:54this is a real asset.
  • 02:56And just I feel like the efficacy of doing
  • 02:58this online also increases participation.
  • 03:01So I'm very excited to
  • 03:02be with all of you today
  • 03:05this. 45 minutes to an hour that we
  • 03:09have together may be a little different
  • 03:12than your typical grand rounds because
  • 03:14there's a significant portion of it that
  • 03:16is dedicated to certain experiential
  • 03:18processes of breath work and meditation.
  • 03:21But I think that's going to be really fun.
  • 03:24And when I look back to my residency
  • 03:27and all those grand rounds that
  • 03:28I was compelled to do,
  • 03:29I think I would have loved to have something
  • 03:32that was a little bit more practical.
  • 03:34So we're going to have some real
  • 03:36practical tools to have under
  • 03:38our belt before we leave today,
  • 03:40right? So
  • 03:45our topic today involves breathing,
  • 03:49which we're all doing all day long,
  • 03:53and really delving a little deeper
  • 03:56into why breathing or breath work
  • 03:59is so effective in reducing stress.
  • 04:01And how we can use it as a tool for
  • 04:05influencing well-being overall.
  • 04:08And that brings me to one of my
  • 04:12favorite books. It's Robert Sapolsky's.
  • 04:14It's inspired.
  • 04:15This little slide is inspired by his book.
  • 04:17He's the author of a book called
  • 04:19Why Zebras Don't Get Ulcers.
  • 04:21He's a stress researcher at Stanford.
  • 04:24And I love the fact that this poor
  • 04:27zebra stripes are unraveling.
  • 04:29Which really.
  • 04:30Obviously doesn't happen to this zebra,
  • 04:33but arguably we are all the human
  • 04:37species in a state of chronic stress.
  • 04:42Stress is obviously integral to functioning,
  • 04:46but we've reached a point and I think
  • 04:50much more exacerbated by technological
  • 04:53advances that we don't come back to baseline.
  • 04:57So the notion of having stresses.
  • 05:00Essential for life,
  • 05:01but you're meant to have it like a zebra,
  • 05:05just right before perhaps dying.
  • 05:09Like there's a predator attacking the
  • 05:11zebra and there's a high level of stress.
  • 05:14The sympathetic nervous system
  • 05:15is in full drive,
  • 05:16and the zebra has to use that to escape.
  • 05:20But we've all now incorporated this chronic
  • 05:23level of stress into our physical body.
  • 05:27And that has very detrimental effects
  • 05:29to our physical and mental well-being.
  • 05:34So. Burnout, I know this is the word
  • 05:37burnout has been around for decades.
  • 05:40Originally when the word was coined,
  • 05:41it was specific to the healing
  • 05:44professions folks that were involved
  • 05:46in any kind of patient care.
  • 05:48It's now used much more widely.
  • 05:52The poignant thing to me about this is that.
  • 05:56Each and everyone of you here or
  • 05:58anyone in the health professionals
  • 06:00was attractive that profession with
  • 06:03a very Basic Instinct to make a
  • 06:07difference to someone else's life.
  • 06:09But how do you give of yourself
  • 06:12fully when you are depleted?
  • 06:16And to me almost this word burnout
  • 06:19doesn't capture the essence of
  • 06:20what I believe is going on and
  • 06:23I would I like using the word.
  • 06:25I I didn't coin the word.
  • 06:26It's from actually a alumni who went to
  • 06:29the same undergraduate college as me.
  • 06:31Moral injury that in the
  • 06:35healthcare professions were facing
  • 06:39almost like a spiritual impact
  • 06:43on our ability to provide care.
  • 06:46Feeling a disconnect with what we
  • 06:49want to do and being unable to do it.
  • 06:53The impact of burnout.
  • 06:56Is multidimensional.
  • 06:57This is sort of common sense.
  • 06:58It obviously impacts the
  • 07:00healthcare provider,
  • 07:01physicians, nurses,
  • 07:03nurse practitioners, everybody
  • 07:07on every level, anxiety, depression.
  • 07:10It impacts patient care.
  • 07:11There's robust data on how patient outcomes
  • 07:15are compromised by high levels of burnout.
  • 07:18It has an impact on institutions,
  • 07:21the costs that institutions bear.
  • 07:25If there are more medical errors,
  • 07:26if there's increased patient dissatisfaction,
  • 07:29that impacts the entire healthcare system.
  • 07:34And I think it also impacts the community's
  • 07:38trust of healthcare providers, right?
  • 07:43I've heard patients say, you know,
  • 07:44I went to see this doctor and he's just
  • 07:46out there to make money or he's just out,
  • 07:48he's too busy.
  • 07:48I don't don't get to speak about the
  • 07:50things that I want to speak about, so it.
  • 07:52Trickles down all the way to a
  • 07:55community level where there's a
  • 07:57there starts to become a distrust
  • 07:59with the health profession.
  • 08:02So
  • 08:05the impact is is multidimensional anxiety,
  • 08:08depression, insomnia, fatigue.
  • 08:10But it has an impact on
  • 08:13other aspects of our life,
  • 08:15our feeling of social connectedness
  • 08:18impacting work, life balance.
  • 08:20Every single aspect of our life is
  • 08:23impacted when there's a higher burnout.
  • 08:26So the question is,
  • 08:29what is the best way to address this?
  • 08:31What is the best way to recharge?
  • 08:34What is the most effective,
  • 08:36efficient way to reduce stress in our lives?
  • 08:40And to get into this conversation,
  • 08:44I'd like to talk about energy,
  • 08:46so I'd love it if you could just
  • 08:49unmute yourself and just share.
  • 08:50What are the ways in which we get energy?
  • 08:53Like this is just simple,
  • 08:54like how do how does how do we gain energy?
  • 08:58Oh, my slide tricked me.
  • 09:01Food, right? Food is one of the
  • 09:04basic ways in which we get energy.
  • 09:07And when I use the word energy,
  • 09:08I'll describe this in a
  • 09:10little bit deeper way.
  • 09:11What's another way in which
  • 09:12we get energy besides food?
  • 09:17Rest. Sleep. Sleep. Absolutely.
  • 09:21What else can I exercise? I heard exercise.
  • 09:31Connection with others.
  • 09:33Connection with others, yes.
  • 09:36What else? Anything else? I
  • 09:38get Energy from nature.
  • 09:41Nature. Like being outside in
  • 09:44nature? Absolutely.
  • 09:45So these are very thought out
  • 09:48activities and they're unique
  • 09:50probably to each of us that we
  • 09:53engage in to very consciously bring
  • 09:55ourselves into a calm state of mind.
  • 09:58A walk in nature will do that,
  • 10:00you know you walk,
  • 10:01you're with with no other human being,
  • 10:03just beautiful nature,
  • 10:04beautiful sunset.
  • 10:05You will notice that your energy
  • 10:08levels or your overall sense of
  • 10:11well-being is much higher after that.
  • 10:13Or with your spending time
  • 10:15with your loved ones listening
  • 10:18to music that inspires you.
  • 10:21But there's a source of energy
  • 10:24that we're not tapping into.
  • 10:28How about breathing? Yes, yes.
  • 10:33It is literally the most impactful way in
  • 10:37which we can impact energy in our system.
  • 10:40And when I use the word energy,
  • 10:42I'm going to now start talking about
  • 10:44this in the context of where this
  • 10:46body of breath work comes from.
  • 10:48And it's an ancient science.
  • 10:51And I use the word science very consciously,
  • 10:55thousands of years old,
  • 10:57mostly from the Far East,
  • 11:00India and other parts of the world
  • 11:02where there are books written on
  • 11:05the value of breath in modulating
  • 11:07the state of our mind and.
  • 11:10On a very simplistic level,
  • 11:13very, very simplistic level,
  • 11:14but I think all of you would agree with this,
  • 11:16is that it's not that easy to
  • 11:21modulate the state of our mind
  • 11:23by telling our mind to go there.
  • 11:26So if I want to calm down,
  • 11:29and I keep telling myself,
  • 11:31calm down, calm down, calm down,
  • 11:32calm down, does that work?
  • 11:36No. Maybe does once in a while,
  • 11:39but for the most part,
  • 11:40especially when you need to calm down,
  • 11:41you're not in a state where that your
  • 11:43mind is going to listen to you anyway.
  • 11:46Or even worse, you have a friend
  • 11:48or a colleague or a sibling telling
  • 11:50you just calm down and you're like,
  • 11:53I'd love to calm down,
  • 11:54but this is not the time to tell me that,
  • 11:57so asking the mind to do
  • 12:00something isn't very effective.
  • 12:04Like at this moment,
  • 12:05if I were to say to all of you,
  • 12:06you know what,
  • 12:07Think of anything in the world,
  • 12:09anything at all,
  • 12:10but don't think of a green apple.
  • 12:14That's the visual image.
  • 12:16You can't control what the mind does.
  • 12:19But if I were to tell you,
  • 12:20take a long deep breath in,
  • 12:23that is possible for you to do.
  • 12:26So this ancient science that
  • 12:29comes from the Far East.
  • 12:31Established one thing which
  • 12:34was very interesting is its
  • 12:37connection with emotions, right.
  • 12:39So there was a study done in
  • 12:422002 looking at respiratory
  • 12:44feedback in the generation of
  • 12:46emotion and what it did is it,
  • 12:48it brought a cohort of people and
  • 12:51had them evoke one of four different
  • 12:54emotions and they recorded what I think
  • 12:57all of you would agree with is that.
  • 13:00Different emotions have a different
  • 13:02rhythm in the breath, right?
  • 13:04So if I were to ask you,
  • 13:08how is your breath when you're sad,
  • 13:11is there a description
  • 13:12you can give me for that?
  • 13:13What's the what's the rhythm of
  • 13:14your breath when you're sad?
  • 13:29I could see it as being slower,
  • 13:31yes? Absolutely.
  • 13:32And Heather, I think you would
  • 13:35say agree at least that even if
  • 13:37it's hard to describe the rhythm,
  • 13:39it's very different than when
  • 13:41you're happy or excited.
  • 13:42It's very different than when
  • 13:45you're angry or anxious.
  • 13:47So that was the first part of the study,
  • 13:50which is there was a very
  • 13:51distinct rhythm in the breath.
  • 13:53The second part of the study was interesting.
  • 13:55They brought in a new cohort and had them.
  • 13:59Breathe in these rhythmic different rhythms,
  • 14:02they were instructed and to breathe in
  • 14:04those four different rhythmic patterns
  • 14:06and in a self reported questionnaire,
  • 14:09identify the emotion they experienced
  • 14:13and with statistical significance.
  • 14:16The participants were able to identify the
  • 14:19emotions simply by breathing in that rhythm,
  • 14:23which goes to show that the link between
  • 14:27breath and emotions is bidirectional.
  • 14:30So currently the way we function is an
  • 14:33event happens and your body reacts and
  • 14:35your heart rate is in a particular rhythm,
  • 14:37your breath breath is in a
  • 14:40particular rhythm and life goes on.
  • 14:42But what if we could use the rhythms in
  • 14:47the breath to modulate our state of mind,
  • 14:50right so.
  • 14:55Doctor Benson published
  • 14:56this book back in the 70s.
  • 14:59It's called Relaxation Revolution,
  • 15:00where he was starting to look
  • 15:02at the science and genetics of
  • 15:04mind body healing and you know,
  • 15:07spoke a lot about the relaxation
  • 15:08response that comes from the breath.
  • 15:10And more recently,
  • 15:12I believe Breath was published in 2021.
  • 15:15James Nastro,
  • 15:15the New York Times writer,
  • 15:17published this book called Breath,
  • 15:19The New Science of a Lost Art.
  • 15:22And I love that tagline because I do
  • 15:25believe that modern medicine is only just
  • 15:28catching up to this ancient science,
  • 15:31which unfortunately didn't have
  • 15:33enough double-blind control studies
  • 15:36for it to become a commonplace
  • 15:39tool that we all use in our lives.
  • 15:43And there one article that completely
  • 15:46speaks to this looked at it was a it's
  • 15:49a a Medline database review that looked
  • 15:52at you search parameters like reading
  • 15:55techniques and psychophysiological outcomes.
  • 15:57And they noticed that of course there's
  • 16:00a connection between deep breathing and
  • 16:02heart rate variability and respiration.
  • 16:08So the the data on the the.
  • 16:11Breath's ability to activate our
  • 16:14parasympathetic nervous system,
  • 16:16especially by deep breathing,
  • 16:18is pretty evident.
  • 16:19And the vagus nerve is interesting, right?
  • 16:22So the vagus nerve puts us into
  • 16:23a state of rest and relaxation,
  • 16:25almost to the point where it's for
  • 16:26those of us who've experienced it.
  • 16:28You can faint from it, you know,
  • 16:31you can have a syncopal episode.
  • 16:33But that vagus nerve activation
  • 16:36when done consciously?
  • 16:39Switch us from that fight and flight
  • 16:43to a rest and relaxation mode
  • 16:45and you can do that simply from
  • 16:48increasing the duration of your exhale
  • 16:53and nothing. Just if your inhale is 2
  • 16:56counts and your exhale is 4 counts,
  • 16:58it will put you into a parasympathetic mode.
  • 17:02But of course the science or the
  • 17:03these techniques that are have
  • 17:05been taught for thousands of years
  • 17:06are much more elaborate than that.
  • 17:08And So what I'd like to do is actually
  • 17:11take a few moments if everybody's OK with
  • 17:14this to do some breathing techniques.
  • 17:16Does that sound like something that
  • 17:18would be interesting and useful?
  • 17:20And also one of those techniques I will.
  • 17:23It's very simple,
  • 17:24but it can be taught to your clients,
  • 17:26your patients,
  • 17:27anyone that you you would like to teach.
  • 17:30But before we do that,
  • 17:31is there anything anyone would
  • 17:32like to ask me?
  • 17:40No.
  • 17:43OK, alright. So what we'll do is
  • 17:46I'm going to give you a description
  • 17:48of what we're going to do.
  • 17:49The first breathing technique that I'm
  • 17:51going to teach you is the simpler one,
  • 17:55and it's called straw breath.
  • 17:58And as the name implies,
  • 18:03there's a little analogy to a straw and
  • 18:05the way it would impact you is that.
  • 18:07You breathe in through the nose.
  • 18:08So you're breathing in through the nose,
  • 18:11but you're breathing out as if you
  • 18:13were breathing out through a straw.
  • 18:16What that means, or what it
  • 18:17looks like, is you breathe in
  • 18:22and the out is
  • 18:33so you can see.
  • 18:34I extended that for quite a while.
  • 18:36When we do it together,
  • 18:38I'll gradually increase the count.
  • 18:40If you feel like, Oh my God,
  • 18:41it's very hard to catch up
  • 18:42for the count that I'm doing,
  • 18:44that's OK, Just relax.
  • 18:45But as we do it, you'll notice that
  • 18:47with each attempt at doing that,
  • 18:49the exhale gets longer, right?
  • 18:52So simple instruction,
  • 18:54breathing in through the nose,
  • 18:56Breathing out through the mouth as if
  • 18:58you were breathing out through a teeny,
  • 18:59teeny, teeny straw, yeah.
  • 19:02Any questions on that?
  • 19:04Does that seem fairly straightforward?
  • 19:07Okay.
  • 19:07And what you'll do is before we begin,
  • 19:10let's do a quick check in.
  • 19:11So I want you to close
  • 19:14your eyes for a moment
  • 19:19and just notice the state
  • 19:21of your mind at this moment.
  • 19:30It's almost as if you're taking a
  • 19:32snapshot of your mind at this moment.
  • 19:41Are there a lot of thoughts,
  • 19:44The thoughts rushing off to the future,
  • 19:48the past, whatever It is,
  • 19:49just observing the state of your
  • 19:51mind simply so that it can allow you
  • 19:54to compare this state with how you
  • 19:56feel at the end of the straw breath.
  • 20:00And if you wish, you can open
  • 20:01the eyes to just watch me.
  • 20:03But if not, we're going to go straight
  • 20:05into a straw breath and a reminder
  • 20:08you're breathing in through the nose.
  • 20:10And exhaling through the mouth as if
  • 20:13you're breathing out through a straw.
  • 20:16And I'll be counting the exhale for you.
  • 20:20So breathe in and exhale
  • 20:31123456 Inhale
  • 20:37Exhale 1.
  • 20:47234-5678, breathe in.
  • 20:54Exhale.
  • 21:03123-4567 eight.
  • 21:08Breathe in Exhale
  • 21:231-234-567-8910 Breathe in
  • 21:29Exhale
  • 21:36123456.
  • 21:4178910 And continue at your own pace,
  • 21:47breathing in through the nostrils
  • 21:50and exhaling as if through a straw,
  • 21:55and extending that exhale as long as you can.
  • 22:48And after this last exhale, you can
  • 22:51relax the breath but keep the eyes closed
  • 22:55and
  • 23:02once again just observe the
  • 23:04state of your mind at this moment
  • 23:16and when you feel ready,
  • 23:18you can open the eyes.
  • 23:27Anyone want to share what that was
  • 23:29like to do that? Have you noted?
  • 23:30Did you notice a difference
  • 23:42fall?
  • 23:45It certainly is very relaxing
  • 23:47and I would like to suggest we
  • 23:49do it for every grand rounds.
  • 23:53It's funny you said that.
  • 23:54I was just thinking we really need
  • 23:56to do this at the start
  • 23:57of every class we teach.
  • 24:00Just from the the chaos of the transition.
  • 24:03It's like clearing out the the
  • 24:05chaos from your your brain.
  • 24:09Tina and Paul, you know this is it's to me.
  • 24:12You know, when I I grew up in India.
  • 24:14And believe me,
  • 24:15the last thing as a child growing
  • 24:17up in India was wanting to learn yoga.
  • 24:19Like that was like what the old people did,
  • 24:21and you didn't want to have
  • 24:23anything whatsoever to do with it.
  • 24:24And so my discovery of yoga and breathwork
  • 24:29was my journey in the United States,
  • 24:32you know, as a young resident is
  • 24:34when I started delving into it,
  • 24:36and I think the most.
  • 24:38Interesting thing to me about
  • 24:40breath work especially is that the
  • 24:43effect is nearly instantaneous.
  • 24:48It just slows your mind down.
  • 24:50It's almost as if your mind
  • 24:51and the breath are connected.
  • 24:53And I also teach this because some of
  • 24:56the breathing techniques we we teach,
  • 24:59you know you don't don't.
  • 25:00You couldn't teach it to folks
  • 25:02that have very severe mental
  • 25:03illness or a psychotic process
  • 25:05that it could be too destabilizing.
  • 25:08But straw breath is like
  • 25:12an overarching favorite,
  • 25:13and there's something about and in schools,
  • 25:17they actually will do a fun thing
  • 25:19where they'll give kids straws to
  • 25:21to just have something tactile.
  • 25:23But the process of exhaling through
  • 25:26the mouth for that extended duration,
  • 25:29and that's key.
  • 25:30So when you teach it, the breath isn't.
  • 25:38It's that wouldn't do it.
  • 25:40It really is that straw
  • 25:42description is very critical.
  • 25:44So you're telling them breathe in
  • 25:49as much as they can do it, you know?
  • 25:51And as you noticed when I
  • 25:53instructed you it was graded,
  • 25:55I started at six and I built up to 8,
  • 25:57then 10 and you can do that,
  • 26:00but it's just an it's such a powerful
  • 26:03tool but also one that I feel.
  • 26:07With my patients,
  • 26:08there's this feeling of self empowerment.
  • 26:11So it's something they feel they're doing
  • 26:14for themselves instead of everything.
  • 26:16Feeling like someone is
  • 26:18doing something for them.
  • 26:19So it's a tool that anybody can use.
  • 26:24So I, I and I agree, you know,
  • 26:26few like 2 minutes of this before any
  • 26:28grand rounds would be a great way
  • 26:31to incorporate this into one's life.
  • 26:33I also use straw breath.
  • 26:36When I'm having a stressful conversation,
  • 26:38and often stressful conversations are,
  • 26:41I feel one way streets where I'm
  • 26:43listening to someone who's stressed out.
  • 26:45And if that's all they're doing,
  • 26:47I will just be doing straw breath
  • 26:50on the other end on the phone.
  • 26:52Like, I just no one's going
  • 26:56to know you're doing that,
  • 26:57but you're experiencing the benefits
  • 27:00of your parasympathetic nervous
  • 27:03system being activated, Yeah.
  • 27:05Great.
  • 27:06Did anyone have any questions on using
  • 27:10this as a tool to instruct your patients,
  • 27:12clients or did that feel
  • 27:14fairly straightforward?
  • 27:17Paul, you're on mute.
  • 27:21I had a quick question. Sometimes
  • 27:23in either yoga or meditation,
  • 27:26they teach a different kind of breathing.
  • 27:29It's more like an ocean breath.
  • 27:32At the back of your throat.
  • 27:34What's the difference between the
  • 27:37straw breath and that in terms of your
  • 27:40feelings as an expert in this area?
  • 27:44So Paul, absolutely. The ocean breath,
  • 27:48also called victory breath and in a
  • 27:50yoga class they'll call it Ujai breath,
  • 27:53is on a very simple level.
  • 27:56It's harder to teach,
  • 27:58It's harder to instruct.
  • 28:00Like, even if I would, I can.
  • 28:02I'm happy to do that with
  • 28:03all of you right now.
  • 28:05The instructions on doing it
  • 28:07can put people into their heads.
  • 28:09The straw breath is much simpler because
  • 28:13you're just breathing out through the mouth.
  • 28:15So the ocean breath, victory breath.
  • 28:18I can describe it the way you would
  • 28:20when we teach it, is once again,
  • 28:23you're breathing in through the nose,
  • 28:26but your mouth is closed.
  • 28:28You're breathing in and out
  • 28:29through the nostrils.
  • 28:30But your attention is in
  • 28:32the back of your throat.
  • 28:33So when you do that,
  • 28:35if hopefully all my audio filters aren't on,
  • 28:38you should be able to hear me.
  • 28:39It sounds like this.
  • 28:50So you're constricting the back of
  • 28:51the throat. It is extremely powerful.
  • 28:54It's it's just and it's also great sleep aid.
  • 28:59So when when you're lying down and
  • 29:01your mind is churning, there's so many
  • 29:03things as you try to go to sleep,
  • 29:05just doing like 8 to 10 victory
  • 29:09breaths will put you right to sleep.
  • 29:12So you know what?
  • 29:13Since you brought brought it up, Paul,
  • 29:14I think it's a good little reason
  • 29:16to just learn the victory breath.
  • 29:18So if everybody's OK with that,
  • 29:19I'll teach the ocean breath to all
  • 29:21of you and you'll do it together
  • 29:23and maybe even have a the the
  • 29:26ability to compare it with how.
  • 29:28You felt at the end of Straw breath,
  • 29:30although I will tell you that it
  • 29:31starts to get accumulated right?
  • 29:32So you're not comparing apples to apples.
  • 29:35You've done straw breath and
  • 29:37now you're doing victory breath,
  • 29:38so might feel more powerful just
  • 29:40by virtue of doing many long
  • 29:42exhales by the time you get there.
  • 29:45So victory breath is done, as I said,
  • 29:49constricting the back of the throat.
  • 29:51Now for those of you who don't
  • 29:53know what that means.
  • 29:55The analogy is if you had a mirror
  • 29:58and you were trying to fog it,
  • 30:00or a piece of glass and you
  • 30:01were trying to fog it,
  • 30:02you would go.
  • 30:04And if you can all just do that.
  • 30:06Like you're pretending to fog something,
  • 30:15now do that with your mouth closed.
  • 30:22You notice a little scratchiness at the
  • 30:24back of your throat when you do that.
  • 30:27Now you have to do that on the
  • 30:30in and the out breath. So it's
  • 30:50and a simple way to.
  • 30:52To know that you're doing it right is.
  • 30:53I'll have you do this now you can
  • 30:56just cut your ears for a moment,
  • 31:00and for the first few seconds,
  • 31:03I just want you to breathe normally,
  • 31:05like normal breath. As if nothing.
  • 31:07No, no victory breath.
  • 31:08Just normal breath.
  • 31:12And
  • 31:16now switch to victory breath.
  • 31:25And you should start to notice
  • 31:26that there's a difference.
  • 31:28Do you notice that when
  • 31:29you do the victory breath,
  • 31:29you're hearing a sound,
  • 31:31So you're doing it right?
  • 31:33Sometimes we're not convinced we're
  • 31:34doing something right when we are.
  • 31:36So let's do a few rounds of victory breath.
  • 31:39And what I'll do at the end of that,
  • 31:41I'm just going to guide you
  • 31:44through a brief meditation.
  • 31:46And then we'll just look at some
  • 31:48of the science pertaining to this
  • 31:50particular practice that I teach.
  • 31:51Yeah. So eyes closed.
  • 31:54So really, for the next 6 minutes or so,
  • 31:57your eyes are going to be closed throughout.
  • 32:04Then just relax completely.
  • 32:09There's nothing to do
  • 32:14for the next few minutes, just
  • 32:16following the instructions effortlessly.
  • 32:25Let's begin with some big tree breaths,
  • 32:30Ocean breaths, breathing in and
  • 32:33out through the nose, gently
  • 32:36constricting the back of the throat.
  • 33:04Long, deep victory breaths,
  • 33:07constricting the back of the throat and
  • 33:10deepening the breath as you go along.
  • 33:51And relax the breath. Allow the
  • 33:55breath to come back to normal.
  • 34:00We'll just meditate
  • 34:02together for a few minutes.
  • 34:04When you hear my instructions,
  • 34:06just lightly and gently follow
  • 34:08them without much effort.
  • 34:15First, bring your attention to all
  • 34:17the sounds in your environment,
  • 34:22whatever they are.
  • 34:29Just accept all the sounds and noises
  • 34:31in your environment at this moment.
  • 34:48Now become aware of your body.
  • 34:53Your awareness is fully on your body
  • 34:56and on the seat that you're sitting
  • 34:58feeling the weight of your body
  • 35:00on the seat that you're sitting.
  • 35:12The body is a precious gift.
  • 35:17Just becoming aware of
  • 35:18your body at this moment.
  • 35:22Now
  • 35:35become aware of your thoughts.
  • 35:44Your full attention and
  • 35:45awareness is on your thoughts,
  • 35:50good thoughts or bad thoughts
  • 35:57Without judging, just become aware
  • 35:59of your thoughts at this moment.
  • 36:18Now bring your awareness to your feelings,
  • 36:28pleasant or unpleasant,
  • 36:32without any judgment.
  • 36:33Just become aware of your
  • 36:35feelings at this moment.
  • 36:52You are peace.
  • 36:57You are joy.
  • 37:28Take a deep breath in and exhale.
  • 37:38Breathe in again and as you exhale,
  • 37:44become aware of your body and surroundings,
  • 37:51and when you feel ready,
  • 37:53you may open the eyes.
  • 38:05How are you feeling? How is it?
  • 38:06Is there a difference between
  • 38:08your state of mind when you
  • 38:10started this session and now?
  • 38:15Yeah, fell asleep? Who, who?
  • 38:18Who said that? Sorry, I missed.
  • 38:21Wonderful. You felt like.
  • 38:22And you know, it's interesting.
  • 38:24That can be one of the first
  • 38:26outcomes when you start to do
  • 38:28breath work and meditation.
  • 38:29There's so much fatigue.
  • 38:31Restore in our body so that can
  • 38:34manifest as feeling tired and sleepy.
  • 38:36So anyone else,
  • 38:38anything you wanted to share
  • 38:43in more Peace
  • 38:45of Mind in terms of daily
  • 38:49tasks that I need to do?
  • 38:52I was in rush to call patients
  • 38:54family clinician, so I was like,
  • 38:57I'm gonna do that slowly, slower. Yeah.
  • 39:01It's slowing it, literally.
  • 39:03It slows you down.
  • 39:04And the thing about slowing down
  • 39:06isn't in that negative way, you know?
  • 39:09So much of our energy is wasted
  • 39:11in mindless chatter in the mind,
  • 39:15like it's not getting you anywhere.
  • 39:17You're just like, you know,
  • 39:19it's bombardment of thoughts.
  • 39:23But the clarity thoughts get.
  • 39:26Thoughts are thoughts are part of us.
  • 39:29Your thoughts are critical to our existence.
  • 39:31But it's the overwhelming nature
  • 39:35of our thought patterns that causes
  • 39:37stress to our nervous system,
  • 39:38and that's where the breath comes
  • 39:41in and allows us to really slow the
  • 39:45pace of that mind modulation so
  • 39:48that we're really living life from
  • 39:50a place of being more centered.
  • 39:54Charlene, thank you.
  • 39:55It's so soothing to do breath work.
  • 39:57I feel nourished,
  • 39:58and my breath actually sounds like
  • 39:59the ocean when I constrict my throat.
  • 40:01Absolutely. And that's the analogy.
  • 40:04It's ocean breath, like Paul mentioned.
  • 40:07Because you sound like an ocean.
  • 40:08You know, like or like as kids,
  • 40:10you'd put a seashell on your ears
  • 40:11and hear the sound of the ocean.
  • 40:13It's very similar.
  • 40:15So what I'd like to do is just
  • 40:17take a few minutes to share some
  • 40:18of the science on this particular
  • 40:21breath work meditation technique.
  • 40:23That I teach,
  • 40:25it's actually taught over multiple
  • 40:28consecutive sessions because it's much
  • 40:30more intensive than what we learned today.
  • 40:34And so let me just make sure
  • 40:35that I have this and this.
  • 40:37To me,
  • 40:37the first of that slides really is very
  • 40:40important to share with all of you
  • 40:42because it was done at Children's National.
  • 40:45Hold on for a second,
  • 40:46I have a text message here that is.
  • 40:50In my way.
  • 40:51I don't know how to hold.
  • 40:52Sorry.
  • 40:53I'm just gonna take a moment to close
  • 40:55that chat so I can see my screen
  • 40:59and we don't see it. Priya.
  • 41:00Yeah, I'm gonna put it back on, Karen.
  • 41:06There we go.
  • 41:10Is that visible? Perfect.
  • 41:12OK, so it was this guy workshop that was
  • 41:16done at Children's National Hospital.
  • 41:17Sample size of 27 healthcare professionals.
  • 41:20And this group was actually instructed to
  • 41:23practice the the they did the workshop,
  • 41:25but they also practiced the sky technique,
  • 41:27which takes about 20 minutes for 40 days.
  • 41:30And we noticed pretty significant declines
  • 41:34in anxiety and depression scores,
  • 41:36but also burnout, a very significant
  • 41:40decline in emotional and deep
  • 41:43personalization and emotional exhaustion.
  • 41:45And to us that is, you know, really again.
  • 41:48Speaking to this idea of how can
  • 41:50we be the best that we want to be,
  • 41:53how can we function,
  • 41:55especially when we provide care to
  • 41:57patients at our optimal capacity.
  • 41:59So this was very nice to see that the
  • 42:01the study actually showed the impact
  • 42:03because we had anecdotally heard that,
  • 42:05heard a lot of testimonials from workshops,
  • 42:08but that was quite nice to see the effect
  • 42:11on burnout directly and then the study
  • 42:14was done during the pandemic as well.
  • 42:16This study had a sample size of 92 people.
  • 42:18It's not 100,
  • 42:20that's an error.
  • 42:21And the parameters we looked at
  • 42:22is self report of stress,
  • 42:24anxiety and depression and also self report
  • 42:30of sleep resilience and life satisfaction.
  • 42:32And I think to me the most interesting
  • 42:35thing is that sleep and resilience
  • 42:37and life satisfaction scores were
  • 42:40sustained and increased by day 40.
  • 42:43So there was a cumulative effect over time.
  • 42:46Which was also my personal,
  • 42:47you know, my if I was the case study.
  • 42:51I remember when I did this practice that
  • 42:53I noticed that my sleep had improved.
  • 42:55The quality of my sleep improved
  • 42:57to the point where I felt like I
  • 42:59needed less than 8 hours,
  • 43:00which previous to this was
  • 43:02like 8 hours or death.
  • 43:04I started to feel like I was more
  • 43:06restful with 7 hours of sleep because
  • 43:09the quality of my sleep had improved.
  • 43:12And this study I think is really
  • 43:14wonderful to share with you because
  • 43:16it was done at the Child Study Center
  • 43:19and the in collaboration with the Yale
  • 43:21Center for Emotional Intelligence.
  • 43:23And it was an 8 week randomized control
  • 43:26study with 131 participants who were
  • 43:29assigned to a mindfulness based program,
  • 43:32emotional intelligence,
  • 43:33the sky and control.
  • 43:35And there was an equal dosage of
  • 43:37meditation that was done which was
  • 43:39a total of 30 hours over 8 weeks.
  • 43:42And what we noticed is that Sky and
  • 43:45this also because it's a younger age group.
  • 43:48Part of the reason for doing the study
  • 43:51was really to address this crisis of
  • 43:54mental health issues in our youth,
  • 43:56our college students, graduates,
  • 43:59undergraduates,
  • 44:00and Sky showed the greatest impact
  • 44:03in six different parameters.
  • 44:05Emotional intelligence actually showed
  • 44:07a pretty high score with mindfulness.
  • 44:09And but not the others.
  • 44:12So it it is, you know,
  • 44:14that I think the the the researchers
  • 44:16themselves were kind of kind of
  • 44:19befuddled by why the the sort of
  • 44:21robust response which of course
  • 44:23incorporates to some extent the
  • 44:24degree to
  • 44:25which breath can play a role in
  • 44:27much more of an immediate impact.
  • 44:29You know some of you who are
  • 44:32seasoned mindfulness practitioners,
  • 44:33it's it's a practice and it you the
  • 44:36benefits are sustained by daily
  • 44:38practice over an extended period.
  • 44:40But breathwork seems to give
  • 44:43a more instantaneous effect,
  • 44:45and that perhaps contributes to sustaining
  • 44:48the practice and noticing the benefits.
  • 44:53So this was really wonderful to see.
  • 44:56And a similar study was done at the
  • 44:59University of Arizona looking at sky breath
  • 45:02in comparison to a cognitive workshop,
  • 45:05and again the improvement was significant.
  • 45:08In sky birth meditation as compared
  • 45:11to the cognitive retraining program
  • 45:13and this study on PTSD was done at
  • 45:16the University of Wisconsin, right?
  • 45:18I think 2014 right after somewhere
  • 45:21around with returning vets
  • 45:23from Iraq and Afghanistan.
  • 45:25And the interesting thing about
  • 45:27this study is the PTSD scores were
  • 45:29decreased at the end of the workshop.
  • 45:31Which for vets has done
  • 45:33smaller breaks over 6 days.
  • 45:35So generally the workshop is over three days,
  • 45:38but this was done slightly modified.
  • 45:41But to me, the most interesting aspect
  • 45:43of the study is that this cohort was
  • 45:47instructed to not practice every day.
  • 45:49So they were, you know,
  • 45:50the day there's a daily practice
  • 45:52that's part of the program.
  • 45:53Just to avoid variability,
  • 45:55they were instructed to not practice
  • 45:57and a year later there were still.
  • 46:00There was still a reduction in scores,
  • 46:02obviously not as dramatic as
  • 46:03right at the end of the workshop,
  • 46:05but the benefits were sustained
  • 46:07over the long term,
  • 46:09which we're still trying to figure
  • 46:12out how to explore that further.
  • 46:15And last but not the least,
  • 46:17a randomized clinical noninferiority trial
  • 46:20of this breath based meditation comparing
  • 46:23it to cognitive processing therapy and.
  • 46:26The this paper reports that which is
  • 46:28obviously you know the non infrared
  • 46:30trial is a preferred design when there's
  • 46:32an established efficacious treatment,
  • 46:34that there was a significant
  • 46:37improvement with sky meditation.
  • 46:39So this is just a little overview
  • 46:43of the sky meditation technique
  • 46:46and the way it's taught is it's
  • 46:48three live online sessions,
  • 46:50usually with two instructors.
  • 46:53And you you learn the sky technique.
  • 46:55There's also some cognitive reframing
  • 46:57tools that are integrated into the
  • 46:59workshop and there are some reflective
  • 47:01group activities that are done online.
  • 47:03So you know,
  • 47:04over the pandemic has really made
  • 47:06us all zoom experts to some extent.
  • 47:09And in the beginning even I was like oh,
  • 47:11there's no way like how can
  • 47:12you do this online,
  • 47:14but it's incredible how many things
  • 47:17can be achieved as impactfully with.
  • 47:20Our ability to to sort of
  • 47:22navigate these online platforms,
  • 47:24yeah,
  • 47:24So I will stop for questions,
  • 47:26but I want to make sure I share
  • 47:28this last slide is that there is a
  • 47:31workshop that we've organized at Yale.
  • 47:33It's weekdays, Tuesday,
  • 47:34Wednesdays and Thursdays on June 13th,
  • 47:3714th and 15th.
  • 47:38And it's a 2 1/2 hour workshop each day.
  • 47:42And just to remind you,
  • 47:44it is 3 consecutive sessions.
  • 47:46So it's not one of three, it's all three.
  • 47:49Because that's how much time it
  • 47:51takes to learn the technique and
  • 47:53incorporate it into a daily practice.
  • 47:55But with that,
  • 47:56I'd like to let me make sure I have.
  • 47:58Yeah, we have it's, we have about 10 minutes.
  • 48:02If there are any questions,
  • 48:03anything anyone wants to share,
  • 48:05I'm happy to take them.
  • 48:06Now
  • 48:08would
  • 48:16you be willing to put the link to that
  • 48:18workshop maybe in the chat or someplace that.
  • 48:22Yeah, in the chat.
  • 48:23Amir, do you have it handy?
  • 48:27Um, yes, it's. I'll grab it and I'll
  • 48:29put it in the chat. OK And if I have
  • 48:31it as well, I just wondered if
  • 48:33you had it. Thank you very much.
  • 48:38Yeah. Thank you so much for that.
  • 48:39I think that was the most relaxing
  • 48:42grand rounds I've ever experienced,
  • 48:45but also incredibly informative.
  • 48:46And thank you for buttressing
  • 48:48it with the science.
  • 48:50At the end of the presentation you
  • 48:52mentioned about daily practice.
  • 48:53I'm just wondering about what,
  • 48:55what length or what what would
  • 48:57you recommend in terms of the
  • 48:58time spent in daily practice.
  • 49:01So Karen, you know,
  • 49:02I'll answer that in two ways.
  • 49:03One is that say you you don't have
  • 49:05the time for the Sky workshop,
  • 49:07just want to incorporate breath
  • 49:09work into your day-to-day life and
  • 49:11you already have an established
  • 49:12meditation practice or you use an app.
  • 49:14For many of you that might
  • 49:16be true I would say.
  • 49:185 minutes of breath work before your
  • 49:22regular practice will deepen the
  • 49:24effect of your meditation practice.
  • 49:27So as a common sense,
  • 49:28practice straw breath or victory
  • 49:33breath if you enjoyed that.
  • 49:35There's also another breathing technique
  • 49:37called alternate nostril breathing.
  • 49:39We didn't have time to do that,
  • 49:40but you can actually find that online.
  • 49:43You go on to YouTube,
  • 49:44you'll see it's a.
  • 49:45Technique that involves using
  • 49:46the thumb to block the nostrils
  • 49:48and you're breathing in through
  • 49:50one and out through the other
  • 49:52and then back in through the same
  • 49:53one that you exhaled out of.
  • 49:55Very straightforward.
  • 49:56It sounds complicated,
  • 49:57but very straightforward if you find that.
  • 50:01So either of those or in combination,
  • 50:035 minutes of breath work before any
  • 50:06meditation practice you have if you
  • 50:09don't have a meditation practice.
  • 50:12My recommendation would be just
  • 50:1410 minutes of breath work a day.
  • 50:17You could even do like you know
  • 50:20you're getting ready for lunch.
  • 50:22Like instead of maybe you break
  • 50:24for lunch for like 30 minutes,
  • 50:265 to 10 minutes before you have lunch.
  • 50:28Now that's critical though all
  • 50:31these practices are best done
  • 50:34on a relatively empty stomach.
  • 50:37The reason for it is.
  • 50:39This is where the mind body complex
  • 50:42becomes so fascinating is that
  • 50:43when the body is in digest mode,
  • 50:46it's not going to go into a meditative mode.
  • 50:49It just is going to do one or the other.
  • 50:51So and you'll know you can try it.
  • 50:53You know you do the breath work
  • 50:54on a full stomach and you do it
  • 50:56on an empty stomach,
  • 50:57you'll instantly know the difference.
  • 50:59So if you have 10 minutes that
  • 51:02you can do this before a meal or
  • 51:04a window where you're just like
  • 51:06happen to have a free window.
  • 51:08I would say that would be very useful.
  • 51:11With the sky practice, that's a much more.
  • 51:15It's multiple reading techniques
  • 51:17that are like stepwise put together
  • 51:19in a very particular format.
  • 51:21That practice takes about 20 to 25 minutes.
  • 51:25And it's not just a breath work.
  • 51:27I call it breath based meditation
  • 51:29because at the end of the breath work
  • 51:33you're effortlessly going into a state of.
  • 51:36Whatever you want to call it.
  • 51:36Transcendence, quiet, calm,
  • 51:39you know, so the breath.
  • 51:43And to me that, you know, when I was,
  • 51:45I knew meditation was good for me.
  • 51:46Like that was.
  • 51:47And I really wanted to meditate,
  • 51:49but I just couldn't.
  • 51:51I would sit to meditate and I would
  • 51:54feel like I just spent, you know,
  • 51:5730 minutes running errands in my head.
  • 51:59I might as well run those errands.
  • 52:01Like, why am I wasting my time?
  • 52:04Observing all the errands I have to run.
  • 52:07So that's when I learned this technique.
  • 52:12And for someone like me,
  • 52:14you know, my mind is on OverDrive.
  • 52:16I have so many different responsibilities.
  • 52:19The ability of the breath to
  • 52:22settle my mind was so impactful,
  • 52:24like it just felt like I just
  • 52:25had to follow instructions,
  • 52:26like give me instructions 1234.
  • 52:29And so it worked really well
  • 52:31for me and interestingly.
  • 52:33We feel in in sort of the questionnaires
  • 52:35we did when we did the study with deaths.
  • 52:38They shared that that the the
  • 52:41instruction aspect of it instead of
  • 52:43just sitting there and being aware
  • 52:45of the body and breath which for
  • 52:48some people that provokes anxiety,
  • 52:51you know that the ability to do
  • 52:55something structured in a step
  • 52:57by step fashion which then gives
  • 52:59you the the equivalent outcome.
  • 53:01Can be very beneficial to certain people.
  • 53:05Brilliant.
  • 53:05Thank you. Are there questions?
  • 53:13Oh, you're welcome.
  • 53:14Kathy and I hope to see some
  • 53:16of you on that workshop.
  • 53:17It would be really fun to do
  • 53:19this together and just, you know,
  • 53:22go through like a more intensive process.
  • 53:25This was just like, I would say this
  • 53:28was just a little like a little taste.
  • 53:31Of the power of the breath.
  • 53:34But the the Sky Workshop is a deep dive
  • 53:36and I should remind all I forgot the mayor,
  • 53:39the the Sky Workshop.
  • 53:41You get CME credits, CME credits,
  • 53:43CNE credits and there's C credits,
  • 53:46but I'm not sure for which categories.
  • 53:48So Amir,
  • 53:49I can send that information out to you.
  • 53:50So it's a 7 1/2 hour workshop and you
  • 53:54would get CME/CN E credits for it, Yeah.
  • 53:58Wonderful not to monopolize the Q&A,
  • 54:01but I did. You was very interested
  • 54:03when you mentioned about teaching
  • 54:05straw breath to school children.
  • 54:07And I was just wondering, you know,
  • 54:09what's the age range that you've
  • 54:10tried to implement these breathing
  • 54:13techniques and how low can you go?
  • 54:17You know, Karen,
  • 54:17I I don't teach the children,
  • 54:19so I'm not certified to teach.
  • 54:21It's not I'm not a certified sky
  • 54:23instructor for that for the kids program.
  • 54:24Amir, can you comment on that?
  • 54:26Like what's the age group that we
  • 54:27teach the Yes for Schools program?
  • 54:30Yes, I believe it's 7.
  • 54:32Like, they're kind of grouped by age.
  • 54:35So it's like 7 to 12.
  • 54:37And then there's a,
  • 54:38like a teenagers course.
  • 54:40We do have a course for really little
  • 54:42guys that's called Angels course.
  • 54:44They don't really do intensive breathing,
  • 54:46but they do a lot of like moving
  • 54:48around and kind of sweet like grounding
  • 54:50stuff that's that's developmentally
  • 54:52appropriate for toddlers and
  • 54:54preschoolers and kindergarteners.
  • 54:55But yeah, seven,
  • 54:56starting at about 7 years old,
  • 54:57we can teach a modified version of the Creat,
  • 55:01the Sky breath meditation.
  • 55:04And then also these techniques
  • 55:05that we some of the simpler
  • 55:07techniques that we did today.
  • 55:20Any other final questions for Yeah,
  • 55:25just a quick question,
  • 55:26is this guy program, is it open to others,
  • 55:30it's open to everyone or just yell?
  • 55:33Great question. So this particular
  • 55:35one will be open to others.
  • 55:38We've just felt like you know if you had a
  • 55:40family member you wanted to have joined,
  • 55:41but I don't know,
  • 55:43you know Amir is going to look into
  • 55:45sponsorship from Yale and answered,
  • 55:48I don't know that piece.
  • 55:49I would say the best,
  • 55:50your best bet would be to
  • 55:52connect with Amir and we'll
  • 55:54address everything one-on-one.
  • 55:55But the idea was to keep it open.
  • 55:57So more than that,
  • 55:58if you know you expect more in
  • 56:00the in the in the vein that if
  • 56:01you had a family member or a
  • 56:03friend you wanted to invite that
  • 56:05they should be able to join
  • 56:08May any concluding remarks?
  • 56:13No. Thank you so much Priya.
  • 56:15It was truly a pleasure to have you
  • 56:17with us and I do hope that many of
  • 56:20you can join us for the workshop.
  • 56:22Or just reach out if you have
  • 56:24questions or would like to
  • 56:26connect about this in other ways.
  • 56:28But thank you all again and and big
  • 56:30thank you to Priya for doing this.
  • 56:34Have a wonderful day. Bye, bye. Thank
  • 56:37you so much.