Just Breathe: Why breathing is so effective in reducing stress and how it can serve as a tool for influencing well-being
May 25, 2023YCSC Grand Rounds May 9, 2023
Priya Narayanan, MD, Instructor, SKY Healing Breaths Program
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- 00:00Wonderful. Well, good afternoon,
- 00:02everyone and welcome to Grand Rounds.
- 00:04And it seems somewhat unusual to
- 00:05be back in this virtual format,
- 00:07but we're very grateful to be joined today
- 00:10by a speaker joining us from the West
- 00:12Coast who will introduce in just a moment.
- 00:14So we're delighted to be sharing
- 00:16this virtual space together.
- 00:17And just a reminder about
- 00:19grand rounds next week,
- 00:20we'll have a very special Donald
- 00:22Donald Cohen lecture for this year.
- 00:25Amy Clinton will be joining us from Emory.
- 00:27So please do join us in person in
- 00:30the Cohen Auditorium next week.
- 00:33And now it is my great pleasure
- 00:35and to ask Amelia Krishnan to
- 00:37introduce our speaker for today.
- 00:40Amelia, over to you.
- 00:42Thank you, Karen.
- 00:43Thank you everyone for being here.
- 00:44I'm Amaya and have been connected
- 00:46to the Yale Child Study Center
- 00:49in a few different roles over
- 00:51the past almost nine years.
- 00:53First as a social work fellow,
- 00:55then clinician,
- 00:55currently as a trainee from the
- 00:57Yale School of Nursing and then
- 00:59joining the outpatient clinic
- 01:01as a nurse practitioner in July.
- 01:03And it is my great honor to get to
- 01:05introduce Doctor Priyanna Dyan,
- 01:07our speaker today.
- 01:09Doctor Nadayanan received her medical
- 01:11degree from McGill University in Montreal,
- 01:14completed her psychiatry residency
- 01:16at NYU Medical Center and fellowship
- 01:19in forensics psychiatry at
- 01:21Albert Einstein Medical Center.
- 01:23Dr.
- 01:24Nadayanan currently works in
- 01:26an ACT Assertive Community
- 01:27treatment program in Los Angeles,
- 01:29treating people with severe and
- 01:31chronic psychiatric illness,
- 01:32many of whom are experiencing
- 01:35homelessness and other structural
- 01:36and psychosocial stressors.
- 01:38Doctor Nadayanan is also a senior
- 01:40faculty member with the Sky Healing
- 01:43Breaths program and travels around
- 01:45the country to teach meditation and
- 01:47self development workshops to focus
- 01:50on addressing burnout and increasing
- 01:52resiliency among healthcare workers.
- 01:54She is a strong advocate for the role of
- 01:56integrative modalities in recovery and
- 01:58wellbeing and promotes the role of yoga,
- 02:01meditation,
- 02:01breath work,
- 02:02and a holistic perspective on
- 02:04healthy living as adjuncts to
- 02:06conventional psychiatric treatment.
- 02:08I would also like to note that
- 02:10she is an awardwinning documentary
- 02:11filmmaker and taught the first
- 02:14sky breathing workshop held in
- 02:16the Cohen Auditorium in 2015.
- 02:18I'm so glad that she could return to
- 02:20our community to share this knowledge
- 02:21and some of the practices with us today.
- 02:23So without further ado,
- 02:25over to you,
- 02:26Priya,
- 02:26thank you.
- 02:28Thank you, Amia.
- 02:30Amia snuck in some details that I
- 02:32had not submitted to her in the bio,
- 02:35which was very sweet of her to do.
- 02:38It's lovely to be back at Yale with all
- 02:41of you and also just the joy sometimes
- 02:44of not having to travel all the way
- 02:47and to be able to do this on Zoom.
- 02:49For those of us who don't travel so
- 02:51easily or feel exhausted from it,
- 02:54this is a real asset.
- 02:56And just I feel like the efficacy of doing
- 02:58this online also increases participation.
- 03:01So I'm very excited to
- 03:02be with all of you today
- 03:05this. 45 minutes to an hour that we
- 03:09have together may be a little different
- 03:12than your typical grand rounds because
- 03:14there's a significant portion of it that
- 03:16is dedicated to certain experiential
- 03:18processes of breath work and meditation.
- 03:21But I think that's going to be really fun.
- 03:24And when I look back to my residency
- 03:27and all those grand rounds that
- 03:28I was compelled to do,
- 03:29I think I would have loved to have something
- 03:32that was a little bit more practical.
- 03:34So we're going to have some real
- 03:36practical tools to have under
- 03:38our belt before we leave today,
- 03:40right? So
- 03:45our topic today involves breathing,
- 03:49which we're all doing all day long,
- 03:53and really delving a little deeper
- 03:56into why breathing or breath work
- 03:59is so effective in reducing stress.
- 04:01And how we can use it as a tool for
- 04:05influencing well-being overall.
- 04:08And that brings me to one of my
- 04:12favorite books. It's Robert Sapolsky's.
- 04:14It's inspired.
- 04:15This little slide is inspired by his book.
- 04:17He's the author of a book called
- 04:19Why Zebras Don't Get Ulcers.
- 04:21He's a stress researcher at Stanford.
- 04:24And I love the fact that this poor
- 04:27zebra stripes are unraveling.
- 04:29Which really.
- 04:30Obviously doesn't happen to this zebra,
- 04:33but arguably we are all the human
- 04:37species in a state of chronic stress.
- 04:42Stress is obviously integral to functioning,
- 04:46but we've reached a point and I think
- 04:50much more exacerbated by technological
- 04:53advances that we don't come back to baseline.
- 04:57So the notion of having stresses.
- 05:00Essential for life,
- 05:01but you're meant to have it like a zebra,
- 05:05just right before perhaps dying.
- 05:09Like there's a predator attacking the
- 05:11zebra and there's a high level of stress.
- 05:14The sympathetic nervous system
- 05:15is in full drive,
- 05:16and the zebra has to use that to escape.
- 05:20But we've all now incorporated this chronic
- 05:23level of stress into our physical body.
- 05:27And that has very detrimental effects
- 05:29to our physical and mental well-being.
- 05:34So. Burnout, I know this is the word
- 05:37burnout has been around for decades.
- 05:40Originally when the word was coined,
- 05:41it was specific to the healing
- 05:44professions folks that were involved
- 05:46in any kind of patient care.
- 05:48It's now used much more widely.
- 05:52The poignant thing to me about this is that.
- 05:56Each and everyone of you here or
- 05:58anyone in the health professionals
- 06:00was attractive that profession with
- 06:03a very Basic Instinct to make a
- 06:07difference to someone else's life.
- 06:09But how do you give of yourself
- 06:12fully when you are depleted?
- 06:16And to me almost this word burnout
- 06:19doesn't capture the essence of
- 06:20what I believe is going on and
- 06:23I would I like using the word.
- 06:25I I didn't coin the word.
- 06:26It's from actually a alumni who went to
- 06:29the same undergraduate college as me.
- 06:31Moral injury that in the
- 06:35healthcare professions were facing
- 06:39almost like a spiritual impact
- 06:43on our ability to provide care.
- 06:46Feeling a disconnect with what we
- 06:49want to do and being unable to do it.
- 06:53The impact of burnout.
- 06:56Is multidimensional.
- 06:57This is sort of common sense.
- 06:58It obviously impacts the
- 07:00healthcare provider,
- 07:01physicians, nurses,
- 07:03nurse practitioners, everybody
- 07:07on every level, anxiety, depression.
- 07:10It impacts patient care.
- 07:11There's robust data on how patient outcomes
- 07:15are compromised by high levels of burnout.
- 07:18It has an impact on institutions,
- 07:21the costs that institutions bear.
- 07:25If there are more medical errors,
- 07:26if there's increased patient dissatisfaction,
- 07:29that impacts the entire healthcare system.
- 07:34And I think it also impacts the community's
- 07:38trust of healthcare providers, right?
- 07:43I've heard patients say, you know,
- 07:44I went to see this doctor and he's just
- 07:46out there to make money or he's just out,
- 07:48he's too busy.
- 07:48I don't don't get to speak about the
- 07:50things that I want to speak about, so it.
- 07:52Trickles down all the way to a
- 07:55community level where there's a
- 07:57there starts to become a distrust
- 07:59with the health profession.
- 08:02So
- 08:05the impact is is multidimensional anxiety,
- 08:08depression, insomnia, fatigue.
- 08:10But it has an impact on
- 08:13other aspects of our life,
- 08:15our feeling of social connectedness
- 08:18impacting work, life balance.
- 08:20Every single aspect of our life is
- 08:23impacted when there's a higher burnout.
- 08:26So the question is,
- 08:29what is the best way to address this?
- 08:31What is the best way to recharge?
- 08:34What is the most effective,
- 08:36efficient way to reduce stress in our lives?
- 08:40And to get into this conversation,
- 08:44I'd like to talk about energy,
- 08:46so I'd love it if you could just
- 08:49unmute yourself and just share.
- 08:50What are the ways in which we get energy?
- 08:53Like this is just simple,
- 08:54like how do how does how do we gain energy?
- 08:58Oh, my slide tricked me.
- 09:01Food, right? Food is one of the
- 09:04basic ways in which we get energy.
- 09:07And when I use the word energy,
- 09:08I'll describe this in a
- 09:10little bit deeper way.
- 09:11What's another way in which
- 09:12we get energy besides food?
- 09:17Rest. Sleep. Sleep. Absolutely.
- 09:21What else can I exercise? I heard exercise.
- 09:31Connection with others.
- 09:33Connection with others, yes.
- 09:36What else? Anything else? I
- 09:38get Energy from nature.
- 09:41Nature. Like being outside in
- 09:44nature? Absolutely.
- 09:45So these are very thought out
- 09:48activities and they're unique
- 09:50probably to each of us that we
- 09:53engage in to very consciously bring
- 09:55ourselves into a calm state of mind.
- 09:58A walk in nature will do that,
- 10:00you know you walk,
- 10:01you're with with no other human being,
- 10:03just beautiful nature,
- 10:04beautiful sunset.
- 10:05You will notice that your energy
- 10:08levels or your overall sense of
- 10:11well-being is much higher after that.
- 10:13Or with your spending time
- 10:15with your loved ones listening
- 10:18to music that inspires you.
- 10:21But there's a source of energy
- 10:24that we're not tapping into.
- 10:28How about breathing? Yes, yes.
- 10:33It is literally the most impactful way in
- 10:37which we can impact energy in our system.
- 10:40And when I use the word energy,
- 10:42I'm going to now start talking about
- 10:44this in the context of where this
- 10:46body of breath work comes from.
- 10:48And it's an ancient science.
- 10:51And I use the word science very consciously,
- 10:55thousands of years old,
- 10:57mostly from the Far East,
- 11:00India and other parts of the world
- 11:02where there are books written on
- 11:05the value of breath in modulating
- 11:07the state of our mind and.
- 11:10On a very simplistic level,
- 11:13very, very simplistic level,
- 11:14but I think all of you would agree with this,
- 11:16is that it's not that easy to
- 11:21modulate the state of our mind
- 11:23by telling our mind to go there.
- 11:26So if I want to calm down,
- 11:29and I keep telling myself,
- 11:31calm down, calm down, calm down,
- 11:32calm down, does that work?
- 11:36No. Maybe does once in a while,
- 11:39but for the most part,
- 11:40especially when you need to calm down,
- 11:41you're not in a state where that your
- 11:43mind is going to listen to you anyway.
- 11:46Or even worse, you have a friend
- 11:48or a colleague or a sibling telling
- 11:50you just calm down and you're like,
- 11:53I'd love to calm down,
- 11:54but this is not the time to tell me that,
- 11:57so asking the mind to do
- 12:00something isn't very effective.
- 12:04Like at this moment,
- 12:05if I were to say to all of you,
- 12:06you know what,
- 12:07Think of anything in the world,
- 12:09anything at all,
- 12:10but don't think of a green apple.
- 12:14That's the visual image.
- 12:16You can't control what the mind does.
- 12:19But if I were to tell you,
- 12:20take a long deep breath in,
- 12:23that is possible for you to do.
- 12:26So this ancient science that
- 12:29comes from the Far East.
- 12:31Established one thing which
- 12:34was very interesting is its
- 12:37connection with emotions, right.
- 12:39So there was a study done in
- 12:422002 looking at respiratory
- 12:44feedback in the generation of
- 12:46emotion and what it did is it,
- 12:48it brought a cohort of people and
- 12:51had them evoke one of four different
- 12:54emotions and they recorded what I think
- 12:57all of you would agree with is that.
- 13:00Different emotions have a different
- 13:02rhythm in the breath, right?
- 13:04So if I were to ask you,
- 13:08how is your breath when you're sad,
- 13:11is there a description
- 13:12you can give me for that?
- 13:13What's the what's the rhythm of
- 13:14your breath when you're sad?
- 13:29I could see it as being slower,
- 13:31yes? Absolutely.
- 13:32And Heather, I think you would
- 13:35say agree at least that even if
- 13:37it's hard to describe the rhythm,
- 13:39it's very different than when
- 13:41you're happy or excited.
- 13:42It's very different than when
- 13:45you're angry or anxious.
- 13:47So that was the first part of the study,
- 13:50which is there was a very
- 13:51distinct rhythm in the breath.
- 13:53The second part of the study was interesting.
- 13:55They brought in a new cohort and had them.
- 13:59Breathe in these rhythmic different rhythms,
- 14:02they were instructed and to breathe in
- 14:04those four different rhythmic patterns
- 14:06and in a self reported questionnaire,
- 14:09identify the emotion they experienced
- 14:13and with statistical significance.
- 14:16The participants were able to identify the
- 14:19emotions simply by breathing in that rhythm,
- 14:23which goes to show that the link between
- 14:27breath and emotions is bidirectional.
- 14:30So currently the way we function is an
- 14:33event happens and your body reacts and
- 14:35your heart rate is in a particular rhythm,
- 14:37your breath breath is in a
- 14:40particular rhythm and life goes on.
- 14:42But what if we could use the rhythms in
- 14:47the breath to modulate our state of mind,
- 14:50right so.
- 14:55Doctor Benson published
- 14:56this book back in the 70s.
- 14:59It's called Relaxation Revolution,
- 15:00where he was starting to look
- 15:02at the science and genetics of
- 15:04mind body healing and you know,
- 15:07spoke a lot about the relaxation
- 15:08response that comes from the breath.
- 15:10And more recently,
- 15:12I believe Breath was published in 2021.
- 15:15James Nastro,
- 15:15the New York Times writer,
- 15:17published this book called Breath,
- 15:19The New Science of a Lost Art.
- 15:22And I love that tagline because I do
- 15:25believe that modern medicine is only just
- 15:28catching up to this ancient science,
- 15:31which unfortunately didn't have
- 15:33enough double-blind control studies
- 15:36for it to become a commonplace
- 15:39tool that we all use in our lives.
- 15:43And there one article that completely
- 15:46speaks to this looked at it was a it's
- 15:49a a Medline database review that looked
- 15:52at you search parameters like reading
- 15:55techniques and psychophysiological outcomes.
- 15:57And they noticed that of course there's
- 16:00a connection between deep breathing and
- 16:02heart rate variability and respiration.
- 16:08So the the data on the the.
- 16:11Breath's ability to activate our
- 16:14parasympathetic nervous system,
- 16:16especially by deep breathing,
- 16:18is pretty evident.
- 16:19And the vagus nerve is interesting, right?
- 16:22So the vagus nerve puts us into
- 16:23a state of rest and relaxation,
- 16:25almost to the point where it's for
- 16:26those of us who've experienced it.
- 16:28You can faint from it, you know,
- 16:31you can have a syncopal episode.
- 16:33But that vagus nerve activation
- 16:36when done consciously?
- 16:39Switch us from that fight and flight
- 16:43to a rest and relaxation mode
- 16:45and you can do that simply from
- 16:48increasing the duration of your exhale
- 16:53and nothing. Just if your inhale is 2
- 16:56counts and your exhale is 4 counts,
- 16:58it will put you into a parasympathetic mode.
- 17:02But of course the science or the
- 17:03these techniques that are have
- 17:05been taught for thousands of years
- 17:06are much more elaborate than that.
- 17:08And So what I'd like to do is actually
- 17:11take a few moments if everybody's OK with
- 17:14this to do some breathing techniques.
- 17:16Does that sound like something that
- 17:18would be interesting and useful?
- 17:20And also one of those techniques I will.
- 17:23It's very simple,
- 17:24but it can be taught to your clients,
- 17:26your patients,
- 17:27anyone that you you would like to teach.
- 17:30But before we do that,
- 17:31is there anything anyone would
- 17:32like to ask me?
- 17:40No.
- 17:43OK, alright. So what we'll do is
- 17:46I'm going to give you a description
- 17:48of what we're going to do.
- 17:49The first breathing technique that I'm
- 17:51going to teach you is the simpler one,
- 17:55and it's called straw breath.
- 17:58And as the name implies,
- 18:03there's a little analogy to a straw and
- 18:05the way it would impact you is that.
- 18:07You breathe in through the nose.
- 18:08So you're breathing in through the nose,
- 18:11but you're breathing out as if you
- 18:13were breathing out through a straw.
- 18:16What that means, or what it
- 18:17looks like, is you breathe in
- 18:22and the out is
- 18:33so you can see.
- 18:34I extended that for quite a while.
- 18:36When we do it together,
- 18:38I'll gradually increase the count.
- 18:40If you feel like, Oh my God,
- 18:41it's very hard to catch up
- 18:42for the count that I'm doing,
- 18:44that's OK, Just relax.
- 18:45But as we do it, you'll notice that
- 18:47with each attempt at doing that,
- 18:49the exhale gets longer, right?
- 18:52So simple instruction,
- 18:54breathing in through the nose,
- 18:56Breathing out through the mouth as if
- 18:58you were breathing out through a teeny,
- 18:59teeny, teeny straw, yeah.
- 19:02Any questions on that?
- 19:04Does that seem fairly straightforward?
- 19:07Okay.
- 19:07And what you'll do is before we begin,
- 19:10let's do a quick check in.
- 19:11So I want you to close
- 19:14your eyes for a moment
- 19:19and just notice the state
- 19:21of your mind at this moment.
- 19:30It's almost as if you're taking a
- 19:32snapshot of your mind at this moment.
- 19:41Are there a lot of thoughts,
- 19:44The thoughts rushing off to the future,
- 19:48the past, whatever It is,
- 19:49just observing the state of your
- 19:51mind simply so that it can allow you
- 19:54to compare this state with how you
- 19:56feel at the end of the straw breath.
- 20:00And if you wish, you can open
- 20:01the eyes to just watch me.
- 20:03But if not, we're going to go straight
- 20:05into a straw breath and a reminder
- 20:08you're breathing in through the nose.
- 20:10And exhaling through the mouth as if
- 20:13you're breathing out through a straw.
- 20:16And I'll be counting the exhale for you.
- 20:20So breathe in and exhale
- 20:31123456 Inhale
- 20:37Exhale 1.
- 20:47234-5678, breathe in.
- 20:54Exhale.
- 21:03123-4567 eight.
- 21:08Breathe in Exhale
- 21:231-234-567-8910 Breathe in
- 21:29Exhale
- 21:36123456.
- 21:4178910 And continue at your own pace,
- 21:47breathing in through the nostrils
- 21:50and exhaling as if through a straw,
- 21:55and extending that exhale as long as you can.
- 22:48And after this last exhale, you can
- 22:51relax the breath but keep the eyes closed
- 22:55and
- 23:02once again just observe the
- 23:04state of your mind at this moment
- 23:16and when you feel ready,
- 23:18you can open the eyes.
- 23:27Anyone want to share what that was
- 23:29like to do that? Have you noted?
- 23:30Did you notice a difference
- 23:42fall?
- 23:45It certainly is very relaxing
- 23:47and I would like to suggest we
- 23:49do it for every grand rounds.
- 23:53It's funny you said that.
- 23:54I was just thinking we really need
- 23:56to do this at the start
- 23:57of every class we teach.
- 24:00Just from the the chaos of the transition.
- 24:03It's like clearing out the the
- 24:05chaos from your your brain.
- 24:09Tina and Paul, you know this is it's to me.
- 24:12You know, when I I grew up in India.
- 24:14And believe me,
- 24:15the last thing as a child growing
- 24:17up in India was wanting to learn yoga.
- 24:19Like that was like what the old people did,
- 24:21and you didn't want to have
- 24:23anything whatsoever to do with it.
- 24:24And so my discovery of yoga and breathwork
- 24:29was my journey in the United States,
- 24:32you know, as a young resident is
- 24:34when I started delving into it,
- 24:36and I think the most.
- 24:38Interesting thing to me about
- 24:40breath work especially is that the
- 24:43effect is nearly instantaneous.
- 24:48It just slows your mind down.
- 24:50It's almost as if your mind
- 24:51and the breath are connected.
- 24:53And I also teach this because some of
- 24:56the breathing techniques we we teach,
- 24:59you know you don't don't.
- 25:00You couldn't teach it to folks
- 25:02that have very severe mental
- 25:03illness or a psychotic process
- 25:05that it could be too destabilizing.
- 25:08But straw breath is like
- 25:12an overarching favorite,
- 25:13and there's something about and in schools,
- 25:17they actually will do a fun thing
- 25:19where they'll give kids straws to
- 25:21to just have something tactile.
- 25:23But the process of exhaling through
- 25:26the mouth for that extended duration,
- 25:29and that's key.
- 25:30So when you teach it, the breath isn't.
- 25:38It's that wouldn't do it.
- 25:40It really is that straw
- 25:42description is very critical.
- 25:44So you're telling them breathe in
- 25:49as much as they can do it, you know?
- 25:51And as you noticed when I
- 25:53instructed you it was graded,
- 25:55I started at six and I built up to 8,
- 25:57then 10 and you can do that,
- 26:00but it's just an it's such a powerful
- 26:03tool but also one that I feel.
- 26:07With my patients,
- 26:08there's this feeling of self empowerment.
- 26:11So it's something they feel they're doing
- 26:14for themselves instead of everything.
- 26:16Feeling like someone is
- 26:18doing something for them.
- 26:19So it's a tool that anybody can use.
- 26:24So I, I and I agree, you know,
- 26:26few like 2 minutes of this before any
- 26:28grand rounds would be a great way
- 26:31to incorporate this into one's life.
- 26:33I also use straw breath.
- 26:36When I'm having a stressful conversation,
- 26:38and often stressful conversations are,
- 26:41I feel one way streets where I'm
- 26:43listening to someone who's stressed out.
- 26:45And if that's all they're doing,
- 26:47I will just be doing straw breath
- 26:50on the other end on the phone.
- 26:52Like, I just no one's going
- 26:56to know you're doing that,
- 26:57but you're experiencing the benefits
- 27:00of your parasympathetic nervous
- 27:03system being activated, Yeah.
- 27:05Great.
- 27:06Did anyone have any questions on using
- 27:10this as a tool to instruct your patients,
- 27:12clients or did that feel
- 27:14fairly straightforward?
- 27:17Paul, you're on mute.
- 27:21I had a quick question. Sometimes
- 27:23in either yoga or meditation,
- 27:26they teach a different kind of breathing.
- 27:29It's more like an ocean breath.
- 27:32At the back of your throat.
- 27:34What's the difference between the
- 27:37straw breath and that in terms of your
- 27:40feelings as an expert in this area?
- 27:44So Paul, absolutely. The ocean breath,
- 27:48also called victory breath and in a
- 27:50yoga class they'll call it Ujai breath,
- 27:53is on a very simple level.
- 27:56It's harder to teach,
- 27:58It's harder to instruct.
- 28:00Like, even if I would, I can.
- 28:02I'm happy to do that with
- 28:03all of you right now.
- 28:05The instructions on doing it
- 28:07can put people into their heads.
- 28:09The straw breath is much simpler because
- 28:13you're just breathing out through the mouth.
- 28:15So the ocean breath, victory breath.
- 28:18I can describe it the way you would
- 28:20when we teach it, is once again,
- 28:23you're breathing in through the nose,
- 28:26but your mouth is closed.
- 28:28You're breathing in and out
- 28:29through the nostrils.
- 28:30But your attention is in
- 28:32the back of your throat.
- 28:33So when you do that,
- 28:35if hopefully all my audio filters aren't on,
- 28:38you should be able to hear me.
- 28:39It sounds like this.
- 28:50So you're constricting the back of
- 28:51the throat. It is extremely powerful.
- 28:54It's it's just and it's also great sleep aid.
- 28:59So when when you're lying down and
- 29:01your mind is churning, there's so many
- 29:03things as you try to go to sleep,
- 29:05just doing like 8 to 10 victory
- 29:09breaths will put you right to sleep.
- 29:12So you know what?
- 29:13Since you brought brought it up, Paul,
- 29:14I think it's a good little reason
- 29:16to just learn the victory breath.
- 29:18So if everybody's OK with that,
- 29:19I'll teach the ocean breath to all
- 29:21of you and you'll do it together
- 29:23and maybe even have a the the
- 29:26ability to compare it with how.
- 29:28You felt at the end of Straw breath,
- 29:30although I will tell you that it
- 29:31starts to get accumulated right?
- 29:32So you're not comparing apples to apples.
- 29:35You've done straw breath and
- 29:37now you're doing victory breath,
- 29:38so might feel more powerful just
- 29:40by virtue of doing many long
- 29:42exhales by the time you get there.
- 29:45So victory breath is done, as I said,
- 29:49constricting the back of the throat.
- 29:51Now for those of you who don't
- 29:53know what that means.
- 29:55The analogy is if you had a mirror
- 29:58and you were trying to fog it,
- 30:00or a piece of glass and you
- 30:01were trying to fog it,
- 30:02you would go.
- 30:04And if you can all just do that.
- 30:06Like you're pretending to fog something,
- 30:15now do that with your mouth closed.
- 30:22You notice a little scratchiness at the
- 30:24back of your throat when you do that.
- 30:27Now you have to do that on the
- 30:30in and the out breath. So it's
- 30:50and a simple way to.
- 30:52To know that you're doing it right is.
- 30:53I'll have you do this now you can
- 30:56just cut your ears for a moment,
- 31:00and for the first few seconds,
- 31:03I just want you to breathe normally,
- 31:05like normal breath. As if nothing.
- 31:07No, no victory breath.
- 31:08Just normal breath.
- 31:12And
- 31:16now switch to victory breath.
- 31:25And you should start to notice
- 31:26that there's a difference.
- 31:28Do you notice that when
- 31:29you do the victory breath,
- 31:29you're hearing a sound,
- 31:31So you're doing it right?
- 31:33Sometimes we're not convinced we're
- 31:34doing something right when we are.
- 31:36So let's do a few rounds of victory breath.
- 31:39And what I'll do at the end of that,
- 31:41I'm just going to guide you
- 31:44through a brief meditation.
- 31:46And then we'll just look at some
- 31:48of the science pertaining to this
- 31:50particular practice that I teach.
- 31:51Yeah. So eyes closed.
- 31:54So really, for the next 6 minutes or so,
- 31:57your eyes are going to be closed throughout.
- 32:04Then just relax completely.
- 32:09There's nothing to do
- 32:14for the next few minutes, just
- 32:16following the instructions effortlessly.
- 32:25Let's begin with some big tree breaths,
- 32:30Ocean breaths, breathing in and
- 32:33out through the nose, gently
- 32:36constricting the back of the throat.
- 33:04Long, deep victory breaths,
- 33:07constricting the back of the throat and
- 33:10deepening the breath as you go along.
- 33:51And relax the breath. Allow the
- 33:55breath to come back to normal.
- 34:00We'll just meditate
- 34:02together for a few minutes.
- 34:04When you hear my instructions,
- 34:06just lightly and gently follow
- 34:08them without much effort.
- 34:15First, bring your attention to all
- 34:17the sounds in your environment,
- 34:22whatever they are.
- 34:29Just accept all the sounds and noises
- 34:31in your environment at this moment.
- 34:48Now become aware of your body.
- 34:53Your awareness is fully on your body
- 34:56and on the seat that you're sitting
- 34:58feeling the weight of your body
- 35:00on the seat that you're sitting.
- 35:12The body is a precious gift.
- 35:17Just becoming aware of
- 35:18your body at this moment.
- 35:22Now
- 35:35become aware of your thoughts.
- 35:44Your full attention and
- 35:45awareness is on your thoughts,
- 35:50good thoughts or bad thoughts
- 35:57Without judging, just become aware
- 35:59of your thoughts at this moment.
- 36:18Now bring your awareness to your feelings,
- 36:28pleasant or unpleasant,
- 36:32without any judgment.
- 36:33Just become aware of your
- 36:35feelings at this moment.
- 36:52You are peace.
- 36:57You are joy.
- 37:28Take a deep breath in and exhale.
- 37:38Breathe in again and as you exhale,
- 37:44become aware of your body and surroundings,
- 37:51and when you feel ready,
- 37:53you may open the eyes.
- 38:05How are you feeling? How is it?
- 38:06Is there a difference between
- 38:08your state of mind when you
- 38:10started this session and now?
- 38:15Yeah, fell asleep? Who, who?
- 38:18Who said that? Sorry, I missed.
- 38:21Wonderful. You felt like.
- 38:22And you know, it's interesting.
- 38:24That can be one of the first
- 38:26outcomes when you start to do
- 38:28breath work and meditation.
- 38:29There's so much fatigue.
- 38:31Restore in our body so that can
- 38:34manifest as feeling tired and sleepy.
- 38:36So anyone else,
- 38:38anything you wanted to share
- 38:43in more Peace
- 38:45of Mind in terms of daily
- 38:49tasks that I need to do?
- 38:52I was in rush to call patients
- 38:54family clinician, so I was like,
- 38:57I'm gonna do that slowly, slower. Yeah.
- 39:01It's slowing it, literally.
- 39:03It slows you down.
- 39:04And the thing about slowing down
- 39:06isn't in that negative way, you know?
- 39:09So much of our energy is wasted
- 39:11in mindless chatter in the mind,
- 39:15like it's not getting you anywhere.
- 39:17You're just like, you know,
- 39:19it's bombardment of thoughts.
- 39:23But the clarity thoughts get.
- 39:26Thoughts are thoughts are part of us.
- 39:29Your thoughts are critical to our existence.
- 39:31But it's the overwhelming nature
- 39:35of our thought patterns that causes
- 39:37stress to our nervous system,
- 39:38and that's where the breath comes
- 39:41in and allows us to really slow the
- 39:45pace of that mind modulation so
- 39:48that we're really living life from
- 39:50a place of being more centered.
- 39:54Charlene, thank you.
- 39:55It's so soothing to do breath work.
- 39:57I feel nourished,
- 39:58and my breath actually sounds like
- 39:59the ocean when I constrict my throat.
- 40:01Absolutely. And that's the analogy.
- 40:04It's ocean breath, like Paul mentioned.
- 40:07Because you sound like an ocean.
- 40:08You know, like or like as kids,
- 40:10you'd put a seashell on your ears
- 40:11and hear the sound of the ocean.
- 40:13It's very similar.
- 40:15So what I'd like to do is just
- 40:17take a few minutes to share some
- 40:18of the science on this particular
- 40:21breath work meditation technique.
- 40:23That I teach,
- 40:25it's actually taught over multiple
- 40:28consecutive sessions because it's much
- 40:30more intensive than what we learned today.
- 40:34And so let me just make sure
- 40:35that I have this and this.
- 40:37To me,
- 40:37the first of that slides really is very
- 40:40important to share with all of you
- 40:42because it was done at Children's National.
- 40:45Hold on for a second,
- 40:46I have a text message here that is.
- 40:50In my way.
- 40:51I don't know how to hold.
- 40:52Sorry.
- 40:53I'm just gonna take a moment to close
- 40:55that chat so I can see my screen
- 40:59and we don't see it. Priya.
- 41:00Yeah, I'm gonna put it back on, Karen.
- 41:06There we go.
- 41:10Is that visible? Perfect.
- 41:12OK, so it was this guy workshop that was
- 41:16done at Children's National Hospital.
- 41:17Sample size of 27 healthcare professionals.
- 41:20And this group was actually instructed to
- 41:23practice the the they did the workshop,
- 41:25but they also practiced the sky technique,
- 41:27which takes about 20 minutes for 40 days.
- 41:30And we noticed pretty significant declines
- 41:34in anxiety and depression scores,
- 41:36but also burnout, a very significant
- 41:40decline in emotional and deep
- 41:43personalization and emotional exhaustion.
- 41:45And to us that is, you know, really again.
- 41:48Speaking to this idea of how can
- 41:50we be the best that we want to be,
- 41:53how can we function,
- 41:55especially when we provide care to
- 41:57patients at our optimal capacity.
- 41:59So this was very nice to see that the
- 42:01the study actually showed the impact
- 42:03because we had anecdotally heard that,
- 42:05heard a lot of testimonials from workshops,
- 42:08but that was quite nice to see the effect
- 42:11on burnout directly and then the study
- 42:14was done during the pandemic as well.
- 42:16This study had a sample size of 92 people.
- 42:18It's not 100,
- 42:20that's an error.
- 42:21And the parameters we looked at
- 42:22is self report of stress,
- 42:24anxiety and depression and also self report
- 42:30of sleep resilience and life satisfaction.
- 42:32And I think to me the most interesting
- 42:35thing is that sleep and resilience
- 42:37and life satisfaction scores were
- 42:40sustained and increased by day 40.
- 42:43So there was a cumulative effect over time.
- 42:46Which was also my personal,
- 42:47you know, my if I was the case study.
- 42:51I remember when I did this practice that
- 42:53I noticed that my sleep had improved.
- 42:55The quality of my sleep improved
- 42:57to the point where I felt like I
- 42:59needed less than 8 hours,
- 43:00which previous to this was
- 43:02like 8 hours or death.
- 43:04I started to feel like I was more
- 43:06restful with 7 hours of sleep because
- 43:09the quality of my sleep had improved.
- 43:12And this study I think is really
- 43:14wonderful to share with you because
- 43:16it was done at the Child Study Center
- 43:19and the in collaboration with the Yale
- 43:21Center for Emotional Intelligence.
- 43:23And it was an 8 week randomized control
- 43:26study with 131 participants who were
- 43:29assigned to a mindfulness based program,
- 43:32emotional intelligence,
- 43:33the sky and control.
- 43:35And there was an equal dosage of
- 43:37meditation that was done which was
- 43:39a total of 30 hours over 8 weeks.
- 43:42And what we noticed is that Sky and
- 43:45this also because it's a younger age group.
- 43:48Part of the reason for doing the study
- 43:51was really to address this crisis of
- 43:54mental health issues in our youth,
- 43:56our college students, graduates,
- 43:59undergraduates,
- 44:00and Sky showed the greatest impact
- 44:03in six different parameters.
- 44:05Emotional intelligence actually showed
- 44:07a pretty high score with mindfulness.
- 44:09And but not the others.
- 44:12So it it is, you know,
- 44:14that I think the the the researchers
- 44:16themselves were kind of kind of
- 44:19befuddled by why the the sort of
- 44:21robust response which of course
- 44:23incorporates to some extent the
- 44:24degree to
- 44:25which breath can play a role in
- 44:27much more of an immediate impact.
- 44:29You know some of you who are
- 44:32seasoned mindfulness practitioners,
- 44:33it's it's a practice and it you the
- 44:36benefits are sustained by daily
- 44:38practice over an extended period.
- 44:40But breathwork seems to give
- 44:43a more instantaneous effect,
- 44:45and that perhaps contributes to sustaining
- 44:48the practice and noticing the benefits.
- 44:53So this was really wonderful to see.
- 44:56And a similar study was done at the
- 44:59University of Arizona looking at sky breath
- 45:02in comparison to a cognitive workshop,
- 45:05and again the improvement was significant.
- 45:08In sky birth meditation as compared
- 45:11to the cognitive retraining program
- 45:13and this study on PTSD was done at
- 45:16the University of Wisconsin, right?
- 45:18I think 2014 right after somewhere
- 45:21around with returning vets
- 45:23from Iraq and Afghanistan.
- 45:25And the interesting thing about
- 45:27this study is the PTSD scores were
- 45:29decreased at the end of the workshop.
- 45:31Which for vets has done
- 45:33smaller breaks over 6 days.
- 45:35So generally the workshop is over three days,
- 45:38but this was done slightly modified.
- 45:41But to me, the most interesting aspect
- 45:43of the study is that this cohort was
- 45:47instructed to not practice every day.
- 45:49So they were, you know,
- 45:50the day there's a daily practice
- 45:52that's part of the program.
- 45:53Just to avoid variability,
- 45:55they were instructed to not practice
- 45:57and a year later there were still.
- 46:00There was still a reduction in scores,
- 46:02obviously not as dramatic as
- 46:03right at the end of the workshop,
- 46:05but the benefits were sustained
- 46:07over the long term,
- 46:09which we're still trying to figure
- 46:12out how to explore that further.
- 46:15And last but not the least,
- 46:17a randomized clinical noninferiority trial
- 46:20of this breath based meditation comparing
- 46:23it to cognitive processing therapy and.
- 46:26The this paper reports that which is
- 46:28obviously you know the non infrared
- 46:30trial is a preferred design when there's
- 46:32an established efficacious treatment,
- 46:34that there was a significant
- 46:37improvement with sky meditation.
- 46:39So this is just a little overview
- 46:43of the sky meditation technique
- 46:46and the way it's taught is it's
- 46:48three live online sessions,
- 46:50usually with two instructors.
- 46:53And you you learn the sky technique.
- 46:55There's also some cognitive reframing
- 46:57tools that are integrated into the
- 46:59workshop and there are some reflective
- 47:01group activities that are done online.
- 47:03So you know,
- 47:04over the pandemic has really made
- 47:06us all zoom experts to some extent.
- 47:09And in the beginning even I was like oh,
- 47:11there's no way like how can
- 47:12you do this online,
- 47:14but it's incredible how many things
- 47:17can be achieved as impactfully with.
- 47:20Our ability to to sort of
- 47:22navigate these online platforms,
- 47:24yeah,
- 47:24So I will stop for questions,
- 47:26but I want to make sure I share
- 47:28this last slide is that there is a
- 47:31workshop that we've organized at Yale.
- 47:33It's weekdays, Tuesday,
- 47:34Wednesdays and Thursdays on June 13th,
- 47:3714th and 15th.
- 47:38And it's a 2 1/2 hour workshop each day.
- 47:42And just to remind you,
- 47:44it is 3 consecutive sessions.
- 47:46So it's not one of three, it's all three.
- 47:49Because that's how much time it
- 47:51takes to learn the technique and
- 47:53incorporate it into a daily practice.
- 47:55But with that,
- 47:56I'd like to let me make sure I have.
- 47:58Yeah, we have it's, we have about 10 minutes.
- 48:02If there are any questions,
- 48:03anything anyone wants to share,
- 48:05I'm happy to take them.
- 48:06Now
- 48:08would
- 48:16you be willing to put the link to that
- 48:18workshop maybe in the chat or someplace that.
- 48:22Yeah, in the chat.
- 48:23Amir, do you have it handy?
- 48:27Um, yes, it's. I'll grab it and I'll
- 48:29put it in the chat. OK And if I have
- 48:31it as well, I just wondered if
- 48:33you had it. Thank you very much.
- 48:38Yeah. Thank you so much for that.
- 48:39I think that was the most relaxing
- 48:42grand rounds I've ever experienced,
- 48:45but also incredibly informative.
- 48:46And thank you for buttressing
- 48:48it with the science.
- 48:50At the end of the presentation you
- 48:52mentioned about daily practice.
- 48:53I'm just wondering about what,
- 48:55what length or what what would
- 48:57you recommend in terms of the
- 48:58time spent in daily practice.
- 49:01So Karen, you know,
- 49:02I'll answer that in two ways.
- 49:03One is that say you you don't have
- 49:05the time for the Sky workshop,
- 49:07just want to incorporate breath
- 49:09work into your day-to-day life and
- 49:11you already have an established
- 49:12meditation practice or you use an app.
- 49:14For many of you that might
- 49:16be true I would say.
- 49:185 minutes of breath work before your
- 49:22regular practice will deepen the
- 49:24effect of your meditation practice.
- 49:27So as a common sense,
- 49:28practice straw breath or victory
- 49:33breath if you enjoyed that.
- 49:35There's also another breathing technique
- 49:37called alternate nostril breathing.
- 49:39We didn't have time to do that,
- 49:40but you can actually find that online.
- 49:43You go on to YouTube,
- 49:44you'll see it's a.
- 49:45Technique that involves using
- 49:46the thumb to block the nostrils
- 49:48and you're breathing in through
- 49:50one and out through the other
- 49:52and then back in through the same
- 49:53one that you exhaled out of.
- 49:55Very straightforward.
- 49:56It sounds complicated,
- 49:57but very straightforward if you find that.
- 50:01So either of those or in combination,
- 50:035 minutes of breath work before any
- 50:06meditation practice you have if you
- 50:09don't have a meditation practice.
- 50:12My recommendation would be just
- 50:1410 minutes of breath work a day.
- 50:17You could even do like you know
- 50:20you're getting ready for lunch.
- 50:22Like instead of maybe you break
- 50:24for lunch for like 30 minutes,
- 50:265 to 10 minutes before you have lunch.
- 50:28Now that's critical though all
- 50:31these practices are best done
- 50:34on a relatively empty stomach.
- 50:37The reason for it is.
- 50:39This is where the mind body complex
- 50:42becomes so fascinating is that
- 50:43when the body is in digest mode,
- 50:46it's not going to go into a meditative mode.
- 50:49It just is going to do one or the other.
- 50:51So and you'll know you can try it.
- 50:53You know you do the breath work
- 50:54on a full stomach and you do it
- 50:56on an empty stomach,
- 50:57you'll instantly know the difference.
- 50:59So if you have 10 minutes that
- 51:02you can do this before a meal or
- 51:04a window where you're just like
- 51:06happen to have a free window.
- 51:08I would say that would be very useful.
- 51:11With the sky practice, that's a much more.
- 51:15It's multiple reading techniques
- 51:17that are like stepwise put together
- 51:19in a very particular format.
- 51:21That practice takes about 20 to 25 minutes.
- 51:25And it's not just a breath work.
- 51:27I call it breath based meditation
- 51:29because at the end of the breath work
- 51:33you're effortlessly going into a state of.
- 51:36Whatever you want to call it.
- 51:36Transcendence, quiet, calm,
- 51:39you know, so the breath.
- 51:43And to me that, you know, when I was,
- 51:45I knew meditation was good for me.
- 51:46Like that was.
- 51:47And I really wanted to meditate,
- 51:49but I just couldn't.
- 51:51I would sit to meditate and I would
- 51:54feel like I just spent, you know,
- 51:5730 minutes running errands in my head.
- 51:59I might as well run those errands.
- 52:01Like, why am I wasting my time?
- 52:04Observing all the errands I have to run.
- 52:07So that's when I learned this technique.
- 52:12And for someone like me,
- 52:14you know, my mind is on OverDrive.
- 52:16I have so many different responsibilities.
- 52:19The ability of the breath to
- 52:22settle my mind was so impactful,
- 52:24like it just felt like I just
- 52:25had to follow instructions,
- 52:26like give me instructions 1234.
- 52:29And so it worked really well
- 52:31for me and interestingly.
- 52:33We feel in in sort of the questionnaires
- 52:35we did when we did the study with deaths.
- 52:38They shared that that the the
- 52:41instruction aspect of it instead of
- 52:43just sitting there and being aware
- 52:45of the body and breath which for
- 52:48some people that provokes anxiety,
- 52:51you know that the ability to do
- 52:55something structured in a step
- 52:57by step fashion which then gives
- 52:59you the the equivalent outcome.
- 53:01Can be very beneficial to certain people.
- 53:05Brilliant.
- 53:05Thank you. Are there questions?
- 53:13Oh, you're welcome.
- 53:14Kathy and I hope to see some
- 53:16of you on that workshop.
- 53:17It would be really fun to do
- 53:19this together and just, you know,
- 53:22go through like a more intensive process.
- 53:25This was just like, I would say this
- 53:28was just a little like a little taste.
- 53:31Of the power of the breath.
- 53:34But the the Sky Workshop is a deep dive
- 53:36and I should remind all I forgot the mayor,
- 53:39the the Sky Workshop.
- 53:41You get CME credits, CME credits,
- 53:43CNE credits and there's C credits,
- 53:46but I'm not sure for which categories.
- 53:48So Amir,
- 53:49I can send that information out to you.
- 53:50So it's a 7 1/2 hour workshop and you
- 53:54would get CME/CN E credits for it, Yeah.
- 53:58Wonderful not to monopolize the Q&A,
- 54:01but I did. You was very interested
- 54:03when you mentioned about teaching
- 54:05straw breath to school children.
- 54:07And I was just wondering, you know,
- 54:09what's the age range that you've
- 54:10tried to implement these breathing
- 54:13techniques and how low can you go?
- 54:17You know, Karen,
- 54:17I I don't teach the children,
- 54:19so I'm not certified to teach.
- 54:21It's not I'm not a certified sky
- 54:23instructor for that for the kids program.
- 54:24Amir, can you comment on that?
- 54:26Like what's the age group that we
- 54:27teach the Yes for Schools program?
- 54:30Yes, I believe it's 7.
- 54:32Like, they're kind of grouped by age.
- 54:35So it's like 7 to 12.
- 54:37And then there's a,
- 54:38like a teenagers course.
- 54:40We do have a course for really little
- 54:42guys that's called Angels course.
- 54:44They don't really do intensive breathing,
- 54:46but they do a lot of like moving
- 54:48around and kind of sweet like grounding
- 54:50stuff that's that's developmentally
- 54:52appropriate for toddlers and
- 54:54preschoolers and kindergarteners.
- 54:55But yeah, seven,
- 54:56starting at about 7 years old,
- 54:57we can teach a modified version of the Creat,
- 55:01the Sky breath meditation.
- 55:04And then also these techniques
- 55:05that we some of the simpler
- 55:07techniques that we did today.
- 55:20Any other final questions for Yeah,
- 55:25just a quick question,
- 55:26is this guy program, is it open to others,
- 55:30it's open to everyone or just yell?
- 55:33Great question. So this particular
- 55:35one will be open to others.
- 55:38We've just felt like you know if you had a
- 55:40family member you wanted to have joined,
- 55:41but I don't know,
- 55:43you know Amir is going to look into
- 55:45sponsorship from Yale and answered,
- 55:48I don't know that piece.
- 55:49I would say the best,
- 55:50your best bet would be to
- 55:52connect with Amir and we'll
- 55:54address everything one-on-one.
- 55:55But the idea was to keep it open.
- 55:57So more than that,
- 55:58if you know you expect more in
- 56:00the in the in the vein that if
- 56:01you had a family member or a
- 56:03friend you wanted to invite that
- 56:05they should be able to join
- 56:08May any concluding remarks?
- 56:13No. Thank you so much Priya.
- 56:15It was truly a pleasure to have you
- 56:17with us and I do hope that many of
- 56:20you can join us for the workshop.
- 56:22Or just reach out if you have
- 56:24questions or would like to
- 56:26connect about this in other ways.
- 56:28But thank you all again and and big
- 56:30thank you to Priya for doing this.
- 56:34Have a wonderful day. Bye, bye. Thank
- 56:37you so much.