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Child Study Center Grand Rounds 11.16.2021

December 14, 2021

School Mental Health, Suicide Prevention, and Wellbeing: Lessons Learned from the Last Ten Years (And Wisdom for the next 10)

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  • 00:00Uh, man, I'll mention a few words
  • 00:02about the early Childhood peace
  • 00:03consortium at the end, but let me be
  • 00:06as quick and as brief as possible.
  • 00:08Uhm, it's really been a pleasure
  • 00:10and an honor to know. Teresa.
  • 00:12I first met her in Sierra
  • 00:14Leone five years ago,
  • 00:16and I've also had the opportunity
  • 00:18to go up to Boston to help celebrate
  • 00:22her new endowed professorship,
  • 00:24which wisely was offered by Boston College
  • 00:27after she spent so many years at Harvard.
  • 00:30My goodness.
  • 00:32But what can I say?
  • 00:36Congratulations and it's wonderful
  • 00:38that she has this child Health and
  • 00:40Human rights program that she's been
  • 00:42running up at Boston College and
  • 00:44she's really been an inspiration
  • 00:46for me and I guess the other really
  • 00:49wonderful news is that she's recently
  • 00:51agreed to join the early Childhood
  • 00:53Peace Consortium Leadership Group.
  • 00:56And I'm really optimistic that she's
  • 00:58going to help us move forward,
  • 00:59and one of the big issues that we want
  • 01:02to focus on is how to engage the youth,
  • 01:04how to help them become leaders in our field,
  • 01:07and to really make a difference in the world.
  • 01:09And so we're really very fortunate
  • 01:11to have Teresa,
  • 01:12but I'm going to be as quiet
  • 01:14and as brief as possible.
  • 01:16So I'd just like to also thank
  • 01:18you because one of her priorities.
  • 01:21Is actually helping young people
  • 01:23make a difference in the world by
  • 01:26becoming scholars and clinicians?
  • 01:27And she's an inspiration to all of us,
  • 01:30and we certainly need the next generation.
  • 01:32And it's wonderful that she just
  • 01:34had lunch with our colleagues in
  • 01:36terms of our training program,
  • 01:38so it's wonderful to see here in action.
  • 01:40And we'll be looking forward to
  • 01:42hopefully having an opportunity to
  • 01:44raise a few questions at the end.
  • 01:46But thank you for coming, Teresa.
  • 01:53Thank you so much, Jim and
  • 01:54Karen and everyone here for
  • 01:56the warm welcome and it's so fun
  • 01:58to be able to do this in person.
  • 02:00It's a great honor and I can take
  • 02:03off my mask. That feels really.
  • 02:05It's so cold in here.
  • 02:08It was like a facial scarf, but, uh,
  • 02:10but I thought you know I gave grand
  • 02:12rounds right before the pandemic here and
  • 02:14talked about my work in Sierra Leone.
  • 02:16And then I thought, oh goodness, you know,
  • 02:18that's really the mechanistic child
  • 02:19development stuff that they yelled child.
  • 02:21Study center wants to hear
  • 02:22about and I just gave that talk,
  • 02:24but I'm doing something new here,
  • 02:26which is to share with you a little
  • 02:28of my work in implementation, science,
  • 02:30and especially to go into how we
  • 02:34develop partnerships in Rwanda.
  • 02:36To begin to think about the scale up.
  • 02:38Of evidence based home visiting and
  • 02:40it builds on work that we did with
  • 02:43Bill Beardsley on a family based
  • 02:45preventive intervention that now
  • 02:46we're in the process of moving from
  • 02:49little mini pilots and mixed methods.
  • 02:52Work on the culture and adaptation to
  • 02:54Rwanda to a randomized control trial.
  • 02:57But the big issue for all of us in
  • 02:58the field is you can't just stop
  • 03:00at the randomized control trial.
  • 03:01What do you do after that?
  • 03:02After you have the evidence that this works,
  • 03:04how do we address the challenges
  • 03:07of scale and sustainment?
  • 03:09I also wanted to say something
  • 03:10about your work in Boston. They say
  • 03:12nothing is working today. If you have
  • 03:14yes, absolutely. And actually the
  • 03:16intervention I'm talking about today.
  • 03:18The family strengthening intervention
  • 03:19which comes out of billboards work
  • 03:22we've adapted to refugee families
  • 03:23and have a community based,
  • 03:25participatory research project in Lewiston,
  • 03:27ME and Springfield,
  • 03:28MA with Bhutanese and Smelly Bantu refugees.
  • 03:31And now we're talking about adapting it
  • 03:33to the Afghan refugee population with a
  • 03:35very larger settlement as anticipated.
  • 03:37So I'm very happy to talk about that.
  • 03:39So as I mentioned,
  • 03:40I'm gonna discuss implementation science
  • 03:42strategies for scaling out a home
  • 03:43visiting program to promote the CD,
  • 03:45but also prevent violence in post genocide,
  • 03:47Rwanda and the partnerships that
  • 03:49sort of work takes so to go forward.
  • 03:51It looks like I should just click.
  • 03:54What is the OK?
  • 03:54I'm going to give you a little
  • 03:56background on our research program.
  • 03:58Overall,
  • 03:58the evolution of the intervention itself
  • 04:01are our findings from early trials.
  • 04:04But also now we've had to push beyond
  • 04:05those early trials to think about
  • 04:07strategies for scaling out and actually.
  • 04:09The science of scaling out
  • 04:11and implementation science,
  • 04:12which I'd like to focus on today
  • 04:13and the opportunities of integrating
  • 04:15evidence based interventions into new
  • 04:17delivery platforms and in low resource
  • 04:19settings that really matters because
  • 04:21oftentimes we don't have the systems
  • 04:23that we do in more developed settings,
  • 04:24and we're hoping to go next,
  • 04:26so I wanted to give you a little bit of
  • 04:28background on my motivation in doing
  • 04:29this kind of work in the first place.
  • 04:31It can be said that I'm from
  • 04:33a low resource setting.
  • 04:34This is my hometown of Bethel,
  • 04:36Alaska, population 3000.
  • 04:38This is an Alaska's interior.
  • 04:40You see here the little red dot.
  • 04:42This is the Yukon Kuskokwim Delta,
  • 04:44mainly native Yupik Alaskan population.
  • 04:49I was born there and lived there
  • 04:50all the way through high school
  • 04:52and then my parents were teachers
  • 04:53so they knew college Prep was not
  • 04:55really what was happening out there.
  • 04:57So we moved into another part of Alaska,
  • 04:59but it was really an amazing place to
  • 05:01grow up because you see extremes both
  • 05:04of hardship but also of collective
  • 05:06iti in overcoming adversity.
  • 05:08And so I've experienced 90 degrees below 0.
  • 05:11When the town power generator caught
  • 05:13on fire and everyone had to take
  • 05:15others into their homes and those
  • 05:16of us who had a fireplace and could
  • 05:18heat our homes without electricity,
  • 05:20took in others.
  • 05:22And I've seen some of the highest per
  • 05:24capita rates of violence in families
  • 05:26because of this toxic influence of the
  • 05:28loss of the culture and subsistence
  • 05:30ways of living with alcohol and
  • 05:32firearms coming into the state.
  • 05:34And so my parents were very involved.
  • 05:38My father was the math teacher,
  • 05:40the science teacher.
  • 05:42And the Fire Chief.
  • 05:43My mother worked for the Instant
  • 05:45Learning program and started the first
  • 05:48early Childhood Development Center in
  • 05:49the region that was named after her.
  • 05:51The Norma Jean center.
  • 05:52I grew up in the Yupik culture
  • 05:55had babysitters.
  • 05:55I used to speak cubic because I,
  • 05:58you know, grew up around people who
  • 06:00were speaking the language and I think
  • 06:01as somebody who grew up in this study
  • 06:03and I really learned to respect other
  • 06:05cultures to slow down, to listen,
  • 06:07to recognize when you're an outsider.
  • 06:10But someone who really wants to.
  • 06:13Engage in a respectful way and honor the
  • 06:16culture and the power of collective iti
  • 06:19to get through extremes and so this is
  • 06:21really something a thread that I hope
  • 06:23to carry over to my work everywhere.
  • 06:25Including the work in Rwanda.
  • 06:26Then I'm going to talk about today so
  • 06:28when I'm presenting and if we could,
  • 06:30we'd have the whole Rwandan team here.
  • 06:32This is not just my work,
  • 06:33this is this work with this amazing
  • 06:35team of collaborators in Rwanda.
  • 06:36These are just some of our expert
  • 06:38home visitor cell mentors in three
  • 06:40districts across for Wanda who are
  • 06:42involved in this scale up study.
  • 06:44And I want to acknowledge our
  • 06:45team at Boston College.
  • 06:46My postdoctoral fellow, Sarah Jensen,
  • 06:48assistant research Professor Jordan Fair,
  • 06:51associate director,
  • 06:51as well as our team in Rwanda or Slug
  • 06:54Abeo day and our amazing collaborator, Dr.
  • 06:57Vincent,
  • 06:57says Ibarra at the Center for Mental
  • 06:59Health at the University of Rwanda and our
  • 07:01Mutual learning coordinator, Joseph Kulesa.
  • 07:03This is really a work that takes a whole
  • 07:06team, and I wish they could all be here.
  • 07:08I'm sharing with you today
  • 07:10and so just to set the scene.
  • 07:12This was the shot.
  • 07:13Heard round the world.
  • 07:14For many of us and child development,
  • 07:15this is from The Lancet series on early
  • 07:18childhood Sally Granthan McGregor.
  • 07:19The statistic that over 200 million
  • 07:22children this is covered by zoom
  • 07:24are not fulfilling their full
  • 07:27developmental potential globally,
  • 07:28and so if you look at children ages
  • 07:3036 to 59 months who are not on track
  • 07:33and some of the domains like literacy,
  • 07:35numeracy, physical development,
  • 07:37social emotional development and learning
  • 07:39that these are worrisome statistics
  • 07:41for human capital and also human rights.
  • 07:44And this statistic has now been
  • 07:46updated in 2017 to be even higher.
  • 07:48It's now estimated about 249 million
  • 07:50children in low and middle income
  • 07:53countries who aren't meeting metrics for
  • 07:55appropriate progress on these domains.
  • 07:57And a lot of this is Cohen Co
  • 08:01occurring in areas of the Middle
  • 08:03East and Sub Saharan Africa.
  • 08:04So these are big policy issues when it
  • 08:07comes to the advancement of populations.
  • 08:10And Jim talked about violence
  • 08:12and issues of peace.
  • 08:15Globally at the same time that
  • 08:16you know we're contending with
  • 08:18underdevelopment and children,
  • 08:20especially concentrated in places like
  • 08:21the Middle East and Sub Saharan Africa,
  • 08:24we are in our lifetimes witnessing
  • 08:27the largest humanitarian crisis
  • 08:28since World War Two due to wars
  • 08:31raging around the world.
  • 08:32Massive displacement of population
  • 08:33statistics are at the end of 2019.
  • 08:35There were nearly 80 million
  • 08:38forcibly displaced nearly 46 million
  • 08:40internally displaced people,
  • 08:4126 million refugees and a large number
  • 08:43of these are under the age of 18.
  • 08:45And UNICEF estimates now that
  • 08:46the number of children living
  • 08:48in conflict zones has risen by over 74%.
  • 08:50So if you think of the Co occurrence
  • 08:52of these different vectors of risk,
  • 08:54it's it's real issue for
  • 08:56thinking about human rights,
  • 08:57human capital and peace and stability
  • 09:00in societies around the world.
  • 09:02And so World Bank and people like
  • 09:04Jim Heckman and others have really
  • 09:06drawn attention to the important
  • 09:08the importance of early investment,
  • 09:10and we know that disruptions in child
  • 09:13development and early mental health.
  • 09:15Are costly for societies and individuals,
  • 09:18and if you just look at some of
  • 09:20the data and this is from a World
  • 09:22Bank workshop summarizing some of
  • 09:23what we know from the literature.
  • 09:25Young children who are physically stunted,
  • 09:27so that's a blunt indicator or or falling
  • 09:30behind and indicators of cognitive,
  • 09:32linguistic or socio emotional development are
  • 09:34much more likely to enter first grade late,
  • 09:37perform poorly in school,
  • 09:38repeat grades,
  • 09:39drop out of school before even
  • 09:42completing primary school experience.
  • 09:44Poor physical and mental
  • 09:45health throughout life.
  • 09:46And we know this from a range of studies
  • 09:48like the Aces work here in the United
  • 09:49States engaged in high risk behavior,
  • 09:50especially in adolescence,
  • 09:51and be less productive and
  • 09:53have lower earnings.
  • 09:54So this is a wake up call
  • 09:56to governments to say,
  • 09:57OK,
  • 09:57we this you've got our ears now we've
  • 09:59got to invest in early childhood,
  • 10:02has been an area where globally
  • 10:03there's increasing political will,
  • 10:04and I think this goes back to people
  • 10:07who are great leaders and transforming
  • 10:09public policy like Julius Richman,
  • 10:11who had the honor of getting
  • 10:12to know at Harvard.
  • 10:13And as you probably know, Julius Richman.
  • 10:16A former U S surgeon general,
  • 10:18the mastermind behind the scale of
  • 10:20the Head Start program in the United
  • 10:22States and he wrote very cogently that
  • 10:24policy reform and services implementation
  • 10:26requires a strong evidence base.
  • 10:28We need to show that things work
  • 10:29and we need to have the data.
  • 10:31But you also need social strategies to
  • 10:33build political will to ensure that we
  • 10:35get these effective services invested
  • 10:37in and implemented at greater scale.
  • 10:39And so this sort of virtuous
  • 10:41cycle between the knowledge base,
  • 10:43the political will and public policy
  • 10:44is so important to keep in mind.
  • 10:46As we think about questions of scale.
  • 10:48So there's a lot of evidence even
  • 10:50from early U S studies on the long
  • 10:53term effects of ECD interventions
  • 10:55in low resource settings.
  • 10:56And when I say low resource,
  • 10:57I'm talking about in the United
  • 10:59States as well as globally.
  • 11:01And so the Perry Preschool project
  • 11:03very famous, starting in 1967,
  • 11:04which provided high quality preschool
  • 11:06education and a randomized controlled
  • 11:08trial with a relatively small sample
  • 11:10of three to four year old African
  • 11:12American children in poverty,
  • 11:14they found that by age 40 there were
  • 11:15large effects on educational attainment,
  • 11:17income, criminal activity.
  • 11:18And it's one of the longest running
  • 11:20longitudinal studies that really
  • 11:22demonstrated the importance of
  • 11:23preschool education, Absa, Darien,
  • 11:25similarly starting in 1972,
  • 11:27looked at full time,
  • 11:29high quality educational
  • 11:30intervention in a child care
  • 11:31setting from infancy through age 5,
  • 11:33and they had follow up all the way to age 35.
  • 11:36Again seeing positive long term effects,
  • 11:38especially to counteract some
  • 11:40of the disadvantages of poverty
  • 11:42related to education and attainment.
  • 11:44And now, globally, you've probably heard
  • 11:46we were talking about this at lunch
  • 11:48about the reach up study in Jamaica.
  • 11:50Very influential, a play based home
  • 11:53visiting and nutritional supplement.
  • 11:54Intervention given weekly to infants,
  • 11:57again stunting being a very galvanizing,
  • 11:59blunt indicator of underdevelopment that
  • 12:01catches the attention of policymakers.
  • 12:04And here they were focused on
  • 12:05the first two years of life,
  • 12:07they saw substantial improvements in
  • 12:08child language, cognitive outcomes,
  • 12:10fine motor and social emotional skills,
  • 12:12but when they looked at adult outcomes,
  • 12:14they also saw very important
  • 12:16effects many years later,
  • 12:18on educational attainment.
  • 12:19College participation.
  • 12:20Employment and this program is now
  • 12:22scaled up in about 10 countries,
  • 12:24including Peru,
  • 12:25Jamaica in Bangladesh and other important
  • 12:28program out there in the world and
  • 12:31Roxio Atanacio who may be joining online,
  • 12:33has done very important
  • 12:35economic analysis of CUNA MAS.
  • 12:37More than a cribbed the home visiting
  • 12:40program in Peru and their evaluation
  • 12:42showed robust and significant
  • 12:44impacts on child development,
  • 12:45cognitive development,
  • 12:47communication with some exciting
  • 12:49effect sizes, and this has been.
  • 12:51Also scaled up within
  • 12:52the Peruvian government,
  • 12:53providing care to more than 170 minors.
  • 12:56Age 0 to 36 months.
  • 12:58So again there is emerging evidence.
  • 13:01There are models.
  • 13:02There's willpower and excitement,
  • 13:03what about Sub Saharan Africa?
  • 13:05Where is Sub Saharan Africa?
  • 13:06And all of this given what I just
  • 13:08showed you on the risk profiles?
  • 13:10So in our own little teeny way,
  • 13:12we're trying to contribute to this ecosystem.
  • 13:15And so our research program on children
  • 13:17in adversity is really dedicated to
  • 13:19understanding what are the leverage.
  • 13:21Points what do we know from longitudinal
  • 13:23data about how we can influence
  • 13:25trajectories of risk as well as
  • 13:27resilience and life outcomes for children
  • 13:29and families that face adversity?
  • 13:31And some of this is trying to close this
  • 13:33gap that we have about the knowledge
  • 13:36of early adversity and its impact on
  • 13:38child development and mental health,
  • 13:40and what's actually done on the
  • 13:41ground and very low resource
  • 13:43settings including Bethel,
  • 13:44Alaska,
  • 13:44including you know so many parts
  • 13:47of Sub Saharan Africa and support
  • 13:49the development of high quality.
  • 13:51And effective programs and policies
  • 13:53in low resource settings and
  • 13:55as Jim talked about,
  • 13:56we work domestically and globally.
  • 13:57So here's just a little synopsis of that,
  • 14:00probably our best known study,
  • 14:02and I talked about that when I
  • 14:04gave grand Rounds previously here
  • 14:06in child psychiatry was this,
  • 14:08and is this ongoing 20 year intergenerational
  • 14:11study of war in Sierra Leone,
  • 14:13West Africa,
  • 14:14where we've been following a cohort
  • 14:16of 529 more affected individuals.
  • 14:18They were 10 to 17 when we
  • 14:20first started the study.
  • 14:21We've had data collection.
  • 14:242002, 2004, 2008 and then 2016 and
  • 14:27now we're negotiation. Wish us luck.
  • 14:29That maybe will be able to come back
  • 14:31and have a fifth wave of follow up
  • 14:33in the last wave funded by NCH D.
  • 14:36We added the intimate partners and
  • 14:38the biological children of the index.
  • 14:41Participants in, you know,
  • 14:42a majority of them are former child
  • 14:44soldiers with very high trauma histories
  • 14:46that we know from you know their
  • 14:48childhood reports and also this brought
  • 14:50us into this focus on intergenerational.
  • 14:52Violence, just from what I
  • 14:54presented last time about the
  • 14:55associations between parental trauma,
  • 14:57history, emotion,
  • 14:59dysregulation and parent child interactions.
  • 15:01And beginning to think about what our
  • 15:04intervention models that can work in
  • 15:05low resource settings and some of our
  • 15:07earliest family based work was funded
  • 15:09by NIH in the context of HIV and AIDS,
  • 15:12and that started in Rwanda.
  • 15:14We adapted Bill Beardsley,
  • 15:15family talk intervention,
  • 15:17which is a very well regarded
  • 15:19evidence based preventative
  • 15:21intervention that's been done by late.
  • 15:23Years from Native American communities have
  • 15:25been scaled up in Costa Rica and Finland.
  • 15:27We adapted that to the context of HIV
  • 15:29and AIDS in Rwanda and had this strength
  • 15:32based parenting intervention that we tested.
  • 15:35And now I'm going to talk today
  • 15:36about how we kept that core of the
  • 15:38strengths based parenting intervention,
  • 15:39but moved it into not an HIV
  • 15:41specific domain anymore,
  • 15:42but looking at adversity and
  • 15:44looking at early childhood.
  • 15:46And then, as Jim mentioned,
  • 15:47the same core of family based
  • 15:48prevention is also work for now.
  • 15:50Doing in New England and community
  • 15:52based participatory research.
  • 15:54With Somali,
  • 15:55Bantu and Bhutanese refugees,
  • 15:57with the idea of a home visiting
  • 15:59intervention done by refugees for refugees,
  • 16:01so by community health workers,
  • 16:03peer counselors who are from the
  • 16:05refugee experience beginning to work
  • 16:07with families in a prevention lens.
  • 16:09And this is really exciting to think
  • 16:10about with the Afghan resettlement,
  • 16:12I hope we'll be able to pull this out
  • 16:13for in discussions with Office of Refugee
  • 16:16Resettlement and other partners about that.
  • 16:18So we were talking a little earlier
  • 16:20about qualitative and quantitative
  • 16:22research and mixed methods,
  • 16:24and again that cultural humility
  • 16:25comes into play here that we
  • 16:27recognize ultimately through the
  • 16:28partnerships we're developing that
  • 16:30were coming in as outsiders.
  • 16:31We don't know the language.
  • 16:32We don't know the culture and
  • 16:33we have to start by listening.
  • 16:35And really from the ground up understanding
  • 16:37constructs of how do people think
  • 16:40about good parenting around here?
  • 16:41How do people think about childhood?
  • 16:43What are non stigmatising ways to
  • 16:45discuss mental health and children?
  • 16:47What are those terms?
  • 16:48How can we learn about that?
  • 16:50And we use this kind of data to select
  • 16:52our measures to adapt standard measures
  • 16:54or even create new measures when
  • 16:57we don't find that construct being
  • 16:59captured well from what's out there.
  • 17:01And a standardized tool because
  • 17:03we're asking about what works
  • 17:05locally and also when children have
  • 17:07these forms of adversity.
  • 17:08What helps them do well,
  • 17:09despite those sorts of experiences we now
  • 17:11have the active ingredients to think about
  • 17:14for strength based interventions too,
  • 17:16so we want to measure protection
  • 17:18and protective processes.
  • 17:19But we also want to learn about what
  • 17:20are the ingredients that we can have
  • 17:22in our intervention models that really
  • 17:24matter here locally and culturally.
  • 17:26And now we come back and implement this
  • 17:28culturally informed model and evaluate it
  • 17:30using the most rigorous designs possible,
  • 17:32including randomized control trials
  • 17:33and now implementation science.
  • 17:35But it's this cycle that we've used in
  • 17:38many different settings around the world.
  • 17:40Now to talk about implementation science.
  • 17:42This is another extremely influential
  • 17:44article in the field by Balasan,
  • 17:47born in 2000,
  • 17:48and they looked at the leaky pipeline
  • 17:50of NIH research that by the time
  • 17:52you conceptualized the thing,
  • 17:53get your early pilot grants,
  • 17:55get the intervention developed,
  • 17:58do your randomized control trial,
  • 18:01get your publications out there,
  • 18:03get it into national registries.
  • 18:05It's taking about 17 years on average
  • 18:08to turn just 14% of original.
  • 18:10Research to the benefit of patient care,
  • 18:13so we're not doing a good job.
  • 18:14We have a massively leaky pipeline
  • 18:15when it comes to translation of
  • 18:17science to policy and practice,
  • 18:19and so implementation science is a
  • 18:22field has really grown in attempt to
  • 18:24address these this leaky pipeline,
  • 18:26and this is the study of methods to
  • 18:28promote the integration of research
  • 18:29findings and evidence into health care
  • 18:31policy and practice and thus implementation.
  • 18:33Research is the scientific study
  • 18:35of the use of strategies to adopt
  • 18:37and integrate evidence based health
  • 18:39interventions that include some behavior.
  • 18:41Health interventions into clinical and
  • 18:42community settings in order to improve
  • 18:44patient outcomes and also benefit
  • 18:46population health and so ultimately
  • 18:48I'm a public health person all the way.
  • 18:50How do we shift that distribution of risk
  • 18:53so that more young people are starting
  • 18:55out on better footing and so that means
  • 18:57designing for implementation a lot earlier?
  • 18:59As we think about intervention models,
  • 19:01thinking about who's ultimately
  • 19:03going to deliver this,
  • 19:04especially at scale.
  • 19:05What's the delivery platform
  • 19:06that could have reached?
  • 19:08How do we design an intervention
  • 19:09that will be feasible and acceptable?
  • 19:11What's its fit?
  • 19:12The ultimate patient population,
  • 19:14given cultural issues,
  • 19:15given the contextual issues,
  • 19:17can we build in little mini tests
  • 19:19rapidly of training of supervision
  • 19:21of adherence and also questions
  • 19:23of mediators and moderators?
  • 19:25What works for whom,
  • 19:26under what circumstances and begin
  • 19:27to think about that a lot earlier?
  • 19:29And that often means hybrid designs,
  • 19:31so we're designing studies that are
  • 19:34implementation and effectiveness.
  • 19:35Hybrid designs were asking questions of
  • 19:37implementation from the very beginning,
  • 19:38not just effectiveness questions,
  • 19:40and so that means that you get.
  • 19:42Your standard kind of client
  • 19:44outcomes symptoms functioning,
  • 19:46but you might ask questions
  • 19:47about satisfaction.
  • 19:48You know how well did this intervention fit
  • 19:51or service outcomes such as efficiency,
  • 19:53patient centeredness.
  • 19:54This is where we get into Co creation and Co.
  • 19:57Ownership of the kind of intervention
  • 19:59models we're designing and
  • 20:00then implementation outcomes
  • 20:01like adoption, the cost.
  • 20:03How does this you know
  • 20:04who's going to pay for this?
  • 20:05What does it cost?
  • 20:06How do we scale this issues of
  • 20:09feasibility and then sustainment?
  • 20:10What's the policy ecosystem?
  • 20:12Are we able to look at mechanisms
  • 20:14that can contribute to this being
  • 20:16done at scale and go back to Julius Richman?
  • 20:18That's my model, you know.
  • 20:20Head start is widely scaled up and
  • 20:22it's bulletproof administration
  • 20:23after administration.
  • 20:24That's an example of a program that's
  • 20:27achieved this so an evidence based
  • 20:28intervention is only as good as
  • 20:29whether or not it's actually adopted.
  • 20:31The providers are actually trained
  • 20:33with competence to deliver it.
  • 20:34They actually deliver it with high
  • 20:36quality and people who are supposed
  • 20:37to get it actually receive it.
  • 20:39And so if we assume at 50%
  • 20:41threshold drop at each step.
  • 20:43Again,
  • 20:43we're talking about very little benefits,
  • 20:45so these questions of quality,
  • 20:46especially as we move into new delivery
  • 20:49platforms and lay worker delivered models,
  • 20:51they really matter.
  • 20:52So we have this question of voltage drop.
  • 20:54It's a challenge in our field,
  • 20:56especially as we move out to fragile
  • 20:58and low resource settings that we have.
  • 21:00You know,
  • 21:01the drift that comes with expanded use.
  • 21:03We have staff turnover after you've
  • 21:05trained everybody we may not have
  • 21:07mechanisms to track and report on
  • 21:08quality or fidelity of delivery.
  • 21:10Maybe people don't even think
  • 21:12about fidelity or quality.
  • 21:13And then we have these dynamics
  • 21:14all the time of train in hopes that
  • 21:16you train the thing and you just
  • 21:17hope that everybody is going to
  • 21:18do it in the way it was intended
  • 21:20within early childhood development,
  • 21:21we're starting to see more attention
  • 21:24to implementation science.
  • 21:25I draw your attention to this
  • 21:27special issue on implementation,
  • 21:28research,
  • 21:28and UCD some big names like I showed you,
  • 21:31those I who's a good friend and pia Brito,
  • 21:33who actually came out of the Yell
  • 21:35Child Study Center beginning to write
  • 21:37about the importance of attending
  • 21:39to quality and implementation
  • 21:40and global ECD work.
  • 21:41And now she's doing amazing work in Pakistan.
  • 21:44So this brings us to Rwanda and our
  • 21:46little contribution that we're trying
  • 21:48to make you see here were in East Africa,
  • 21:50neighboring Uganda,
  • 21:51Tanzania,
  • 21:52Burundi and the Democratic Republic
  • 21:54of Congo and Rwanda is a very
  • 21:57geographically tiny but mighty nation.
  • 21:59You know, 13.4 million inhabitants.
  • 22:01Again,
  • 22:02these issues of children youth really matter.
  • 22:05You have 53% of the population less
  • 22:07than 20 years of age and ramant Rwanda
  • 22:10is making great strides forward.
  • 22:12It's really making progress in addressing.
  • 22:14Like under five mortality,
  • 22:16infant mortality,
  • 22:17maternal mortality bringing
  • 22:18those numbers down,
  • 22:19but is very vexed by these high
  • 22:21rates of under 5 stunting,
  • 22:23which continue to be some of the
  • 22:24highest in Sub Saharan Africa.
  • 22:26And then you have compound adversities.
  • 22:28You have the after effects
  • 22:29of the 94 genocide,
  • 22:31intergenerational trauma and loss you have,
  • 22:33the HIV and AIDS epidemic that
  • 22:35I worked on with our family,
  • 22:37strengthening intervention,
  • 22:38pockets of extreme poverty
  • 22:40and now COVID-19 on
  • 22:42top of all of that.
  • 22:43But strengths of working.
  • 22:44In a place like Rwanda are a political
  • 22:47stability of very strong government
  • 22:50that has a real effort at fiscal
  • 22:52and administrative decentralisation
  • 22:54and strong political will.
  • 22:55So going back to that Julius Richmond model,
  • 22:57they've written ECD policy goals
  • 22:59into their economic development
  • 23:01and poverty reduction strategy.
  • 23:03So there's already this recognition
  • 23:04that if we want to develop economically,
  • 23:06we have to invest early and you've
  • 23:08got initiatives on youth gym you'll
  • 23:10like this generation unlimited the
  • 23:12youth initiative to ensure that
  • 23:14all young people ages 10 to 24.
  • 23:15In school training employed by
  • 23:172030 and expanding attention to
  • 23:20violence such as the Assange,
  • 23:21one stop centers to provide
  • 23:23support for children and families
  • 23:24who've experienced sexual assault
  • 23:26and other forms of violence.
  • 23:27So political will is a real window
  • 23:29of opportunity and I think for me,
  • 23:31that's why I've really enjoyed and had
  • 23:33the pleasure of working in Rwanda.
  • 23:35So I mentioned that work with Bill
  • 23:36Beardsley on family based prevention
  • 23:38and promoting mental health and
  • 23:40children affected by HIV and AIDS.
  • 23:42So we had the bones of that intervention and
  • 23:44we were starting to write with colleagues.
  • 23:45At the World Health Organization about
  • 23:48integrating prevention of violence
  • 23:49and early childhood development,
  • 23:51they're often the same kids we talk about.
  • 23:52Who's at risk?
  • 23:53It's the same service systems.
  • 23:54It's the same sort of service providers.
  • 23:57Why are we not bringing these
  • 23:58two worlds together better,
  • 23:59especially in the context of
  • 24:01a place that survived genocide
  • 24:03and intergenerational violence.
  • 24:05So we jumped at the chance to work
  • 24:07with UNICEF and the government on
  • 24:10a baseline ECD assessment before
  • 24:12they rolled out these beautiful one,
  • 24:14you know, stop ECD centres.
  • 24:16In every district of the country,
  • 24:18and so we sampled 884 caregiver,
  • 24:21child pairs,
  • 24:21and the focus was household characteristics,
  • 24:23caregiver characteristics,
  • 24:24caregiving practices and then child
  • 24:26development, nutrition and health.
  • 24:28And see this extremely cute Rwandan
  • 24:30child being measured for length
  • 24:33so some of the data we found
  • 24:35from that baseline study.
  • 24:36You get a sense of what
  • 24:38early learning looks like,
  • 24:39availability of children's
  • 24:40books in the household,
  • 24:421.6% playthings just under
  • 24:4420% primary caregiver.
  • 24:45Engaging in three.
  • 24:46Activities to promote learning or
  • 24:48school readiness in the past week,
  • 24:49just 8.6%.
  • 24:50Infants under one year of age attending
  • 24:54any ECD programming just over 3%.
  • 24:58Those you know two to three years of
  • 25:00age to attend an ECD program still
  • 25:03under 10% households with a child,
  • 25:0546 who attended nursery or pre
  • 25:07primary school is still under a third.
  • 25:10And then you come to issues of
  • 25:12violence and harsh punishment.
  • 25:14Children under one year of age
  • 25:16exposed to any violent discipline.
  • 25:18About 20% children two to three years.
  • 25:21Of age exposed to any violent discipline,
  • 25:23now you're up in the 80% tiles.
  • 25:25Caregivers who believe that physical
  • 25:27punishment is necessary to raise a child.
  • 25:30Well,
  • 25:30it's well over a third of the sample.
  • 25:32So these issues of violence reduction
  • 25:34in intergenerational violence need
  • 25:36to be matched up.
  • 25:37And as we also think about the
  • 25:38political will around early childhood
  • 25:40development in the home environment,
  • 25:41and so that was the genesis of what we call
  • 25:44SU Guitarra Jango or strengthen the family.
  • 25:46And this is a home visiting intervention
  • 25:49that's done by lay workers.
  • 25:51Some important. Features of it.
  • 25:53I spent my sabbatical at the Harvard Center
  • 25:54on the developing child with Jack Shonkoff
  • 25:57and others developing this intervention.
  • 25:58It used to be 25 modules 'cause you look at
  • 26:00the literature and their one and said that's
  • 26:03not going to be sustainable or affordable.
  • 26:05You got to bring that down.
  • 26:06So in the end we brought this down to 12
  • 26:09modules that are focused on active coaching.
  • 26:12So it's not about the home visitor bringing
  • 26:15fancy toys or playing with a child.
  • 26:16It's about coaching the parents in
  • 26:18those serve and return interactions.
  • 26:20Did you see when the baby
  • 26:21thumped the ground and you thump?
  • 26:23Back you followed her lead
  • 26:24and she took joy in that.
  • 26:26And then she served you another
  • 26:27opportunity to follow her lead and
  • 26:29seeing that and parents understanding
  • 26:30that because there's a lot of you
  • 26:32know children play with children.
  • 26:33The parents don't.
  • 26:34You know aren't a part of,
  • 26:35you know what's considered
  • 26:37playful interactions.
  • 26:38That's what kids do,
  • 26:39so it's starting to change that narrative.
  • 26:40And then if we want to prevent violence,
  • 26:42you can't just focus on mothers,
  • 26:44so the intervention is intrinsically
  • 26:46father and male, caregiver engaged,
  • 26:48and we can work with any kind of
  • 26:50family we can work with Grandma,
  • 26:52Grandpa, Auntie Uncle, Mom, dad.
  • 26:54Just dad,
  • 26:55just mom.
  • 26:55It's meant to be flexible and
  • 26:57the home visiting model really
  • 26:59allows that and so it's done in.
  • 27:01Come in home with active coaching we
  • 27:03call our home visitors coaches and
  • 27:05we had the bones of this strength
  • 27:07based parenting intervention that
  • 27:09focused on conflict resolution,
  • 27:11emotion regulation,
  • 27:12stress management,
  • 27:13problem solving to reduce violence
  • 27:15in the home.
  • 27:16And then we brought in The Who
  • 27:18care for child development.
  • 27:19Standard content on the importance
  • 27:21of early stimulation,
  • 27:22but that can look like in a coached way,
  • 27:24nutrition.
  • 27:24Looking around the house at UM dietary
  • 27:28practices and high hygienic practices
  • 27:30and so it's meant to be flexible.
  • 27:33Work with all family types and at
  • 27:35every session we have a 15 minute play
  • 27:37activity and for parents that can be,
  • 27:38you know,
  • 27:39something they're not used to doing,
  • 27:40and we're making homemade toys
  • 27:41just with stuff that you have
  • 27:43around the house banging on a pot,
  • 27:44making a rattle with a plastic bottle.
  • 27:46And it's meant to be complementary
  • 27:48to the ECD centers and community
  • 27:51sensitization campaigns in the country.
  • 27:53So how to reach those that are
  • 27:55hard to reach and so our platform
  • 27:57for delivery is linking this to
  • 27:59the cash for work program?
  • 28:01The vision,
  • 28:02new merengue social protection
  • 28:03program in Rwanda and like here
  • 28:05in the United States.
  • 28:06It's a very difficult political
  • 28:09argument to have cash transfers
  • 28:11which we know are highly
  • 28:13evidence based, but in Rwanda their poverty
  • 28:15reduction strategy is a cash for work model.
  • 28:18But we know that when you have really
  • 28:20poor families with really small children
  • 28:21and they have to go build a road.
  • 28:23Or dig a ditch there often times leaving
  • 28:25the small children and care of other
  • 28:27children or neighbors and those issues
  • 28:29of who's monitoring the nutrition area.
  • 28:31The nutrition needs a safety
  • 28:33issues are all problematic,
  • 28:34and so the government was starting
  • 28:36to more family friendly model.
  • 28:38This was the time at which we
  • 28:39were able to come together around.
  • 28:40Let's use the vup that vision,
  • 28:42merengue cash for work program,
  • 28:44poverty reduction strategy as the platform
  • 28:46because they have a ranking system so
  • 28:48they have the Uber hey system in Rwanda,
  • 28:50which ranks families by level
  • 28:51of poverty so bad.
  • 28:53Hey one is.
  • 28:53Considered extreme poverty and we know
  • 28:55that all those problems I just showed you.
  • 28:57And if you look at our UNICEF data,
  • 28:58they all coalesce even higher
  • 29:00rates in the poorest of the poor.
  • 29:02And so the goals of the program
  • 29:04are to reduce extreme poverty
  • 29:05to promote gender equality.
  • 29:07Great, you know,
  • 29:07because we're really taking up
  • 29:09some of these issues of gender in
  • 29:10the intervention and to increase
  • 29:12attention to social safety Nets.
  • 29:13So the win win is we're offering
  • 29:15something that already supports
  • 29:16the most vulnerable families.
  • 29:18We can build capacity of community
  • 29:21based workforces,
  • 29:22and we also can help them generate.
  • 29:23Data on impact and so for us,
  • 29:25we want to support responsive parent team,
  • 29:28Pramod prevent violence.
  • 29:28So now we have a way to identify and
  • 29:31recruit who's most at risk because
  • 29:33they already have a ranking system
  • 29:35we can latch onto that and find
  • 29:37a shared vision with government,
  • 29:39including links and referrals to
  • 29:40other networks such as the National
  • 29:43Health Insurance program or violence
  • 29:44reduction or mental health systems.
  • 29:47And think about sustainability
  • 29:48by integrating this within the
  • 29:50government structures.
  • 29:51So this has been a long.
  • 29:53Process I started working in Rwanda in 2007.
  • 29:56We had early pilots support from
  • 29:58the World Bank to with the strategic
  • 30:01Impact Evaluation Fund to look at.
  • 30:03Can we reduce it?
  • 30:04Can we get it down from 25 to 12?
  • 30:06Can we still have impact two different
  • 30:08open trials to look at safety issues
  • 30:09when it's done by lay workers and
  • 30:11then the randomized controlled
  • 30:12trial and now the scale up study.
  • 30:14So I mentioned parent child
  • 30:16interactions are so important.
  • 30:18Active coaching using locally sourced
  • 30:20materials to enrich the home environment.
  • 30:22So you see here some of
  • 30:24the homemade materials.
  • 30:24Soft toys rattles,
  • 30:26pull toys,
  • 30:27and to iterate these with the
  • 30:28developmental age of the child
  • 30:30and help parents think about that,
  • 30:32what can they use that's already
  • 30:34available in their environment?
  • 30:35Male caregiver engagement is so
  • 30:37important and through showing up
  • 30:38when dads are around having imagery
  • 30:40and messaging and proverbs that talk
  • 30:42about importance of males and life
  • 30:44of children and everyone thriving,
  • 30:46we found that on average we had
  • 30:48males competing,
  • 30:49completing 70% of all modules.
  • 30:51And that statistic still blows my mind.
  • 30:53And that's a testament to our local team.
  • 30:55And I've had them checked this one million
  • 30:57times and they say 70% of all modules
  • 31:00and you see this in our materials.
  • 31:03Male engagement is threaded throughout,
  • 31:05it's it's about everybody having
  • 31:06a role to play in the child,
  • 31:08thriving and doing well.
  • 31:09And we use local proverbs.
  • 31:11We had a nice talk about this with
  • 31:13the trainees when you're working with
  • 31:14populations that haven't had a lot
  • 31:16of access to education that often.
  • 31:18There's a long literary literary tradition
  • 31:20of ways that people talk about coming
  • 31:23together and connectivity just like EU pick.
  • 31:26Families I grew up with so these
  • 31:28proverbs like nothing, can defeat.
  • 31:29Combined hands are very powerful and
  • 31:32help people internalize the content
  • 31:34of the intervention.
  • 31:35And we do a lot around thinking of
  • 31:38nonviolent disciplinary practices,
  • 31:40reducing stress and problem solving to think
  • 31:42about alternatives to harsh punishment.
  • 31:45And.
  • 31:45So here's our theory of change.
  • 31:46We're targeting the most vulnerable
  • 31:48classified within the other day.
  • 31:49Hey,
  • 31:49system with a child under the age of three,
  • 31:52we have all the formative work that you know.
  • 31:54We learned about the risk factors,
  • 31:56limited information.
  • 31:57The children's developmental
  • 31:58needs and stimulation.
  • 31:59You'll hear people say things like,
  • 32:01why would I talk to an
  • 32:02infant who's not talking yet,
  • 32:03or a baby who's not talking yet.
  • 32:05I look like a crazy person,
  • 32:06so just like not understanding the
  • 32:08importance of early exposure to
  • 32:10language and labeling and taking
  • 32:11pleasure in those interactions
  • 32:13for many families in poverty,
  • 32:15poverty is a crisis and you see this
  • 32:17with executive functions and you know,
  • 32:19families affected by violence and
  • 32:21poverty here in the United States,
  • 32:22they become very now focused survival, focus.
  • 32:25Instead of thinking of a future and what?
  • 32:27This could mean for graduating
  • 32:28out of poverty and the child doing
  • 32:30better in the future and getting into
  • 32:32formal education and livelihoods.
  • 32:33There's a tremendous amount of family,
  • 32:35social and economic stress,
  • 32:36and all this brings risk of family violence.
  • 32:38So our core active ingredients are
  • 32:41this active coaching with father and
  • 32:44male figures engaged on nutrition,
  • 32:46health, and hygiene.
  • 32:47'cause you're at the home you can
  • 32:48look at all those issues together
  • 32:50in responsive parenting.
  • 32:51The importance of play and modeling.
  • 32:53You know having the parents
  • 32:54they're playing with their child
  • 32:5615 minutes every time?
  • 32:58Building those coping skills and we
  • 33:00actually had a family narrative.
  • 33:02A strengths based narrative
  • 33:04in the HIV intervention.
  • 33:05About these are families
  • 33:06who've lived through Genesis.
  • 33:07You know?
  • 33:08What are the things along the way in
  • 33:09your family story that helped you
  • 33:11make it through difficult times in
  • 33:13the past and we've taken that out
  • 33:14because this is early childhood.
  • 33:15We told the narrative like we do
  • 33:17in the refugee version from the
  • 33:18perspective of the children and the family.
  • 33:20These are young kids in the Rwandan
  • 33:23advisory boards and our staff said no,
  • 33:25you needed in.
  • 33:25We want that strength narrative.
  • 33:27The family story.
  • 33:28Family story focused on strengths
  • 33:29and so I think that's a big part of
  • 33:32also helping people honor their own
  • 33:34unique capabilities and every family,
  • 33:36building skills and
  • 33:37sequential problem solving.
  • 33:38Breaking things down into baby steps.
  • 33:40And because you have a home visitor,
  • 33:42they can help with navigation.
  • 33:43So what are the informal
  • 33:45supports around here?
  • 33:46So when it comes to violence in the home,
  • 33:49there are elders in the community who
  • 33:51oftentimes know the families already.
  • 33:53That's the system,
  • 33:53and being able to with the home visitor
  • 33:56be able to get help from elders to.
  • 33:58Problem solved when there's
  • 33:59conflicts in the family,
  • 34:00and then there's also more formal
  • 34:02systems there wanting governments really
  • 34:04making big investments in health.
  • 34:05So there are programs for acute
  • 34:08malnutrition feeding programs.
  • 34:09There are increasingly referrals
  • 34:11you can make for treatment for
  • 34:13depression and mental health care,
  • 34:15so the home visitor can help
  • 34:18with navigating those systems.
  • 34:19And then lastly just building
  • 34:21skills with the parents,
  • 34:22the adult capability and emotion regulation,
  • 34:25stress management,
  • 34:25learning those alternatives
  • 34:27to harsh discipline.
  • 34:28In conflict resolution and so pre to post,
  • 34:30we'd hope to see parent behavior
  • 34:33improving both on engagement and
  • 34:35stimulating activities and play also
  • 34:38health promotion and a safer home
  • 34:41environment including reduced violence.
  • 34:43We have a one year follow-up study that
  • 34:44will also show you we hope to sustain.
  • 34:46And now you know this is only 12 modules,
  • 34:49so it's about four months on average.
  • 34:50To deliver it,
  • 34:51you don't expect stunting to improve,
  • 34:53but could we see something along
  • 34:55the lines of child development
  • 34:57outcomes one year later?
  • 34:59That is starting to be influenced
  • 35:01by the intervention and then sustain
  • 35:03those reductions in violence and
  • 35:04then actually now we're planning
  • 35:06a three year out longitudinal
  • 35:07study of the intervention effects.
  • 35:09Looking at the transition to
  • 35:11formal schooling.
  • 35:12So I mentioned the 12 modules you see here.
  • 35:14Some of our different themes that move
  • 35:16across the core content I just discussed,
  • 35:18and so the cluster randomized trial
  • 35:20was a little complicated because we had
  • 35:22these clusters around home visitor.
  • 35:23They could each have a caseload of
  • 35:25about five families and these are
  • 35:27lay workers that we got to select.
  • 35:28And then I'll tell you what happens
  • 35:30when you don't get to select them.
  • 35:31But we had the cast for work
  • 35:34program that was the standard.
  • 35:36So you see,
  • 35:36classic PW's classic Public
  • 35:38works program and then we have
  • 35:40expanded public works program.
  • 35:42So these are far fewer clusters
  • 35:44were getting that expanded program.
  • 35:46Then we had some regions that had
  • 35:47both programs operation operational.
  • 35:49So we had that within their randomize
  • 35:51either to services as usual or the
  • 35:53home visiting being built into
  • 35:55those clusters.
  • 35:56And that's our cluster randomized
  • 35:57trial design.
  • 35:58Here's just an overview of our measures,
  • 36:00ages and stages questionnaire.
  • 36:02We wanted to open source Malawi.
  • 36:05Developmental assessment is what
  • 36:06we ended up using.
  • 36:07Although that's a Screener and
  • 36:08it turned out to be
  • 36:09a bit of a blunt instrument in terms of
  • 36:12sensitivity to change Hopkins symptom
  • 36:13checklists for caregiver mental health,
  • 36:15we have the home inventory,
  • 36:16which I'm sure many of you know.
  • 36:18I'm observation of mother child interaction.
  • 36:20We didn't have a father,
  • 36:21one which is ridiculous, but that was
  • 36:23going to be a lot of formative work,
  • 36:25and that's something I hope to do.
  • 36:26Rwanda Parenting Questionnaire
  • 36:28adapted from a standard measure,
  • 36:30and this is based on our
  • 36:32qualitative work and then.
  • 36:33From the UNICEF multiple
  • 36:34Indicator Cluster survey,
  • 36:35we have a child discipline module.
  • 36:37We have health and hygiene module.
  • 36:39We have your standard anthropometrics
  • 36:41dietary recall and then health indicators,
  • 36:44fever, diarrhea, cough,
  • 36:45as well as help seeking for those problems.
  • 36:48So in global health,
  • 36:49global mental health global child
  • 36:51development this concept of task
  • 36:53sharing has been really transformative.
  • 36:55When you don't,
  • 36:56I mean you have just a handful
  • 36:57of highly trained professionals
  • 36:59in any of these countries,
  • 37:00including just, you know, under 10s.
  • 37:03Psychiatrist in all of Rwanda.
  • 37:05So you can't look too highly trained
  • 37:07professionals to be the delivery platform,
  • 37:09but if you're working with lays specialists,
  • 37:11we're now seeing in emerging evidence
  • 37:13base and a range of countries.
  • 37:15That behavior change interventions,
  • 37:17mental health, parenting,
  • 37:18early childhood can be effectively
  • 37:20delivered with impact by non specialists.
  • 37:22And so that's really a lot of
  • 37:24what's influenced our work.
  • 37:25But then you've got to think of how do we
  • 37:27ensure quality and do no harm principles.
  • 37:29So in terms of our home visitors,
  • 37:31when we did the trial we had
  • 37:33a 3 tiered community.
  • 37:34Based volunteer selection.
  • 37:35The community would nominate people
  • 37:37in good standing in the community
  • 37:38who could do this kind of work
  • 37:40oriented towards vulnerable families.
  • 37:42We had telephone interviews and
  • 37:43then in person interviews a three
  • 37:45week intensive training and how to
  • 37:47coach how to help you know in live
  • 37:49in that parent child interaction
  • 37:51the servant return interactions
  • 37:52and then supervision in person,
  • 37:55group and also telephone checkins.
  • 37:57Here's our intervention sample.
  • 37:59So on average the parents are
  • 38:01about 30 just over 3536.
  • 38:04Years of age,
  • 38:05a lot of single headed households and
  • 38:07we wanted to make sure the intervention
  • 38:09worked in both dual headed and single headed.
  • 38:11So in our sample about 36% are single,
  • 38:16separated,
  • 38:17divorced,
  • 38:17widowed and then 63% cohabitating or married.
  • 38:21And you see here the range of caregivers
  • 38:23were working with a lot of biological
  • 38:25mothers also fathers and then other
  • 38:27family members also involved in
  • 38:29the trial as primary caregivers.
  • 38:31Very low levels of access to education.
  • 38:33Remember we're targeting Uber day once.
  • 38:35These are the poorest of the poor.
  • 38:36So you see 23% with no school and
  • 38:424748% under six years of schooling.
  • 38:45The children,
  • 38:45on average are about 22 months of age,
  • 38:47half female.
  • 38:48And then again,
  • 38:49this is where you see the poorest of the
  • 38:51poor over day one coming in 48% stunted.
  • 38:54Remember,
  • 38:54Rwanda is already really
  • 38:56challenged by that number of
  • 38:5829% stunted.
  • 38:58But when you go to the other day one,
  • 39:00it's even more extreme.
  • 39:02Even 3% wasted, 18% underweight.
  • 39:04And then we had this UNICEF Screener.
  • 39:07I don't know if any of you have ever used it,
  • 39:09just it's a very blunt tool
  • 39:11looking for any delay and certain
  • 39:13indicators of early development.
  • 39:1530% of kids would screen positive for some
  • 39:18delay and then violent punishment 47%.
  • 39:21So these are the kind of families
  • 39:23that we really want to focus on,
  • 39:25and so if you look at caregivers
  • 39:27participate in the study,
  • 39:28those who would meet criteria for
  • 39:30being in the likely clinical range
  • 39:32on the Hopkins symptom checklist
  • 39:34for depression like problems.
  • 39:3545% and then for the PTSD checklist?
  • 39:3819% so this is post genocide
  • 39:40or Wanda many years later.
  • 39:41So these issues of trauma and what it
  • 39:43means for parent emotion regulation
  • 39:45and functioning are really important.
  • 39:47And then it's not just the trauma,
  • 39:49it's the daily hardships of poverty.
  • 39:51So if you look at frequency of
  • 39:53daily hardships in the past month,
  • 39:5512 months, very high rates,
  • 39:57including both cumulative as well as
  • 40:02specific daily hardships in the sample.
  • 40:05Trauma prevalence also very
  • 40:07high in the sample.
  • 40:08Looking at a checklist and it was
  • 40:10sensitive what we could ask about,
  • 40:12but we found that about 52% of the
  • 40:15sample had experienced at least one
  • 40:16trauma likely related to the genocide.
  • 40:18So this is this is the backdrop
  • 40:21in which we're working,
  • 40:22and so in terms of the intervention effects,
  • 40:24I'll show you the effects pre to
  • 40:26post and then 12 months out 'cause I
  • 40:28want to talk about getting to scale.
  • 40:30So this is our first study
  • 40:31published in BMC Public Health.
  • 40:33We saw significant increases
  • 40:35and stimulation in the home.
  • 40:36Umn,
  • 40:37playful activities and dietary diversity,
  • 40:40and also care seeking both
  • 40:42for diarrhea and fever,
  • 40:43and then a decrease in use
  • 40:45of violent discipline.
  • 40:45So we're having the impact on the
  • 40:48family level two and on mothers
  • 40:50reports of intimate partner violence.
  • 40:52So significant effects on mothers.
  • 40:54Intimate partner violence.
  • 40:55Unexpectedly,
  • 40:55we also saw significant decrease
  • 40:57in mothers and fathers showing
  • 40:59symptoms of depression anxiety,
  • 41:00so that's with very non specific elements
  • 41:02that we've seen in the intervention.
  • 41:04One year later we did see on
  • 41:05the ages and stages.
  • 41:07Questionnaire higher scores and treatment
  • 41:09children for gross motor development.
  • 41:11No impact on fine motor on the communication.
  • 41:14Z Score is a significant effect on
  • 41:16problem solving and on the personal
  • 41:18social Z scores and then the
  • 41:20violence effects held one year later,
  • 41:22which is really exciting.
  • 41:23The decrease in harsh punishment
  • 41:25and the decrease in intimate partner
  • 41:26violence and we talked about the
  • 41:28importance of qualitative data.
  • 41:29I won't be able to read all of these quotes,
  • 41:32but this is very much triangulated
  • 41:34by the qualitative data and proud
  • 41:36everyone saying.
  • 41:37My child is sharp due to severe mango,
  • 41:40so get him Jango boosted my child's
  • 41:41communication and how to behave and
  • 41:43having conflict with one another
  • 41:44now in
  • 41:44the child sick I immediately go
  • 41:46to Health Center. I used to be
  • 41:48forgive them traditional medicine.
  • 41:49It also helps build our hope for the
  • 41:51future people saying I can recommend it.
  • 41:53I love this quote from the father.
  • 41:54We normally have stress
  • 41:55caused by our daily hardship,
  • 41:56but through the intervention we learned
  • 41:58how to manage stress caused by poverty.
  • 41:59Personally I couldn't hit
  • 42:00my wife for my child.
  • 42:01When I'm stressed I either go look for a
  • 42:04friend or talk instead of shouting at home.
  • 42:06So if you look at,
  • 42:07you know with just 12 sessions compared
  • 42:08to some of the other interventions,
  • 42:10which are many more sessions to get impact.
  • 42:14We're right in the range of impact
  • 42:16perception of some of these big interventions
  • 42:19that have done weekly for a year,
  • 42:21which is really exciting 'cause
  • 42:22we've got to think about scale.
  • 42:23And we've also got to think about
  • 42:26cost and we can bring down the
  • 42:27costs if you go from the research
  • 42:29to manage it with an NGO.
  • 42:30But even better if we can have
  • 42:32it managed by the government.
  • 42:33So that's really where the traction is.
  • 42:36And so the question is,
  • 42:37how do we sustain impact and quality
  • 42:39when the home visitors are largely
  • 42:41volunteer workforce in Rwanda that
  • 42:43gets some stipend ING and and the
  • 42:45workforce we're working with is
  • 42:47called the Friends of the Family or
  • 42:49the into German Jango and Rwanda.
  • 42:51Like many countries,
  • 42:52the institutionalized so in closing the
  • 42:54orphanages there are in every village
  • 42:56two people the friends of the family
  • 42:57workers who are big part of that movement,
  • 43:00home of kids who've been in
  • 43:02institutions and those friends of
  • 43:03family workers are available and
  • 43:05so in working with the government.
  • 43:08Uh,
  • 43:08we negotiated an MO U could we
  • 43:09train them in doing this home?
  • 43:11Visiting intervention because it's
  • 43:12aligned with their goals around
  • 43:14child protection in the first place?
  • 43:16And so the play collaborative is now
  • 43:18this really ambitious implementation
  • 43:20science effort to scale up this
  • 43:22intervention using the embedded
  • 43:24friends of Family workforce or we
  • 43:26call them the ICU's in Judaism and
  • 43:29Jango across 10,000 households.
  • 43:313 districts in Rwanda,
  • 43:32putting them all into cross
  • 43:34site learning and collaboration.
  • 43:36And so this has taken.
  • 43:38Implementers have fixed fee.
  • 43:39Rwanda University ever won the
  • 43:41Lego Foundation, USAID,
  • 43:42oak and many others to come
  • 43:44together and then very close.
  • 43:45Work with government partners,
  • 43:47including the National
  • 43:48Child Development Agency.
  • 43:49So the whole intention here is
  • 43:51to transition the evidence based
  • 43:53practice to the local workforce in
  • 43:55collaboration with government and
  • 43:57local leaders and civil society,
  • 43:58so women's associations,
  • 44:00Mens associations and shift ownership
  • 44:02away from us in Boston to the Rwandans
  • 44:05and to do this by having an expert C team.
  • 44:08All the people who are the best
  • 44:10interventionist in the prior
  • 44:11trials become cell mentors.
  • 44:12Become experts on the seed team who
  • 44:14could now be the source of training
  • 44:16and supervision and across the three
  • 44:18districts we have a shared charter.
  • 44:20We actually had a signing ceremony
  • 44:21for the Charter that everyone
  • 44:23commits to this cross site.
  • 44:25Learning and quality improvement as we go.
  • 44:27We're using techniques like plan,
  • 44:28do study, act cycles.
  • 44:29I'll show you what those look like.
  • 44:31Continuous training,
  • 44:31learning and the use of technology
  • 44:34to track our quality indicators.
  • 44:36So the Play collaborative is
  • 44:38targeting the national level.
  • 44:39We have a we have routine national quarterly
  • 44:42government Advisory Board meetings,
  • 44:44but we also have play collaborative
  • 44:47meetings twice a month at the district
  • 44:48level and also at the sector level.
  • 44:50These are just like States and counties in
  • 44:53Rwanda all the way down to village level.
  • 44:55Champions for the play collaborative and
  • 44:57this is guided by an implementation science
  • 45:00framework from Greg Arends, Epist model.
  • 45:02There are hundreds of implementation
  • 45:04science frameworks if you're interested.
  • 45:06Oftentimes, they're looking at these
  • 45:08stages of exploration, preparation,
  • 45:09implementation, sustainment,
  • 45:10and looking at inner context features
  • 45:13like how complicated is the intervention,
  • 45:15who's it for, who can do it,
  • 45:17and then add our context of
  • 45:19policy environment, the financing,
  • 45:20the funding environment,
  • 45:22the political dynamics around
  • 45:25intervention and quality improvement.
  • 45:27We had a great talk about this earlier today,
  • 45:30has really been a focus.
  • 45:32How do we monitor fidelity and
  • 45:34have improvement in quality we?
  • 45:36For audio taping sessions,
  • 45:37having experts listen to them.
  • 45:39It was clunky to get back to the home
  • 45:41visitor in time for their next session.
  • 45:43Now we're doing spot checks for an
  • 45:45expert will go and sit in and watch a
  • 45:47newly trained and to determine young
  • 45:48go do the intervention and we've also
  • 45:50done some sample videos where with
  • 45:53permission from the family the issues
  • 45:55are recorded at two different time points.
  • 45:57Then they get targeted feedback on
  • 45:59their practice and we're really feeding
  • 46:01that back and looking at quality
  • 46:02indicators with the play collaborative.
  • 46:04Now we've been able to train.
  • 46:06Come nearly 2600 and Schumer,
  • 46:09Jango around the country in Rwanda.
  • 46:113 rounds of training at 124 sites
  • 46:13and they're learning through role
  • 46:15play to do the intervention.
  • 46:17You know you can't just learn
  • 46:18this through a lecture.
  • 46:19There has to be actual practice
  • 46:21and how do you coach?
  • 46:22How do you truly follow the parents?
  • 46:24And then using some of the tools
  • 46:26on screening and referrals and
  • 46:28especially infusion of gender concepts.
  • 46:30And we also train the government
  • 46:32stakeholders because we want there
  • 46:33by and we want them to own this
  • 46:35and so in every district.
  • 46:36We've now had trainings of
  • 46:38involved nearly 65.
  • 46:39Hundreds government stakeholders
  • 46:41across those three districts,
  • 46:43and they're not learning to coach
  • 46:44and do the direct role play that
  • 46:45they are learning about the basics
  • 46:47of early childhood development.
  • 46:48The important of those investments
  • 46:50and reducing violence.
  • 46:52PSA cycles,
  • 46:52I don't know if you've heard about these.
  • 46:54They come from the Institute
  • 46:56for Healthcare Improvement.
  • 46:57The idea is when you hit a barrier,
  • 46:59you should study what is that barrier about?
  • 47:01Let's come up with a strategy
  • 47:03to overcome the barrier.
  • 47:04Let's implement that strategy and see
  • 47:06if we change anything about how we're
  • 47:08doing on our metrics of reach and impact.
  • 47:10And so it's a PSA cycle is a very
  • 47:13systematic way to engage in quality
  • 47:15improvement and bring evidence to bear on.
  • 47:17Looking at that, and really encourage a
  • 47:19cultural problem solving, it's not raining.
  • 47:21Hope we're going to actively tackle.
  • 47:23Barriers and engagement facilitators as
  • 47:25we go and COVID-19 was a huge barrier.
  • 47:27As you can imagine,
  • 47:28we're out there implementing and then
  • 47:30all of a sudden you couldn't have group
  • 47:31meetings and group trainings anymore.
  • 47:33We had to pivot.
  • 47:34We started WhatsApp training and
  • 47:35support groups for our staff.
  • 47:37WhatsApp is highly used in Sub Saharan
  • 47:39Africa, becomes a great platform.
  • 47:41We had to work with the government and our
  • 47:44donors to get PPE and follow at every step.
  • 47:47The government policies about coming
  • 47:49together in groups and hygiene practices
  • 47:51and make sure that we could overcome that.
  • 47:54We also saw from our qualitative data a
  • 47:57real investment in raising awareness and
  • 47:59getting investment from the stakeholders.
  • 48:01An opportunity for us to problem solve
  • 48:04together including refresher trainings
  • 48:05when people had challenges in following
  • 48:07the evidence based practice and find
  • 48:09solutions and then share them one
  • 48:11district when they innovate they'd
  • 48:13share it with the other districts
  • 48:14rather than letting everyone recreate
  • 48:15the wheel every time so they're in a
  • 48:17community of practice and this has
  • 48:19really helped us generate political will.
  • 48:20So we have these beautiful letters
  • 48:23of appreciation from.
  • 48:24Each of the districts that we can now
  • 48:26take back to the national government and
  • 48:28we can take back to the international
  • 48:30donor community.
  • 48:30We've also been thinking a lot about
  • 48:33technology since those early WhatsApp
  • 48:34experiences and with the University
  • 48:36of Rwanda,
  • 48:37we've developed a digital dashboard
  • 48:38project and this is a way that we
  • 48:41could start to track the quality
  • 48:42indicators by district.
  • 48:43And it's it's almost gamification,
  • 48:45you know, have healthy competition.
  • 48:47Can ingoma see in neons as
  • 48:50quality improvement data?
  • 48:51How are we doing on getting fathers
  • 48:53engaged when they're in the household?
  • 48:54Are we making referrals?
  • 48:56What's the timeliness of those referrals?
  • 48:58And one day we could even envision
  • 49:00having the whole manual be more
  • 49:02digital and having embedded videos.
  • 49:04You can see how do you do a
  • 49:06session on conflict resolution?
  • 49:07What does it look like when you're
  • 49:09teaching deep breathing or other
  • 49:10emotional regulation skills?
  • 49:11How do you do that?
  • 49:12Well, we really,
  • 49:13as you heard from Jim,
  • 49:15were very invested in bringing up
  • 49:16the next generation of researchers.
  • 49:18It shouldn't be me here.
  • 49:19Talking about Rwanda should be Rwandans
  • 49:20talking about Rwanda and people coming
  • 49:23from lived experience in the role of P.
  • 49:25And so we do a lot around building
  • 49:28research capacity and the next generation
  • 49:30of researchers interested in this
  • 49:32field from social work to psychiatry,
  • 49:34to psychology, nursing and etc.
  • 49:36Learning about research skills and
  • 49:38being embedded in our research.
  • 49:39So I wanted to make sure we have
  • 49:41enough time
  • 49:42to talk a little bit about the project,
  • 49:45but I hope I've been able to convince
  • 49:47you that we have an emergence of
  • 49:49evidence based models out there in
  • 49:50the world to promote early childhood
  • 49:52development and prevent violence.
  • 49:54But we really need to be
  • 49:55thinking about these.
  • 49:56Questions of scale.
  • 49:56The numbers are huge and they're daunting
  • 49:59and implementation science is such a
  • 50:00big part of how we need to ship beyond
  • 50:03just the randomized controlled trial,
  • 50:04and there are real opportunities
  • 50:05for integration.
  • 50:06Just like I've showed you today,
  • 50:07bringing violence prevention and DCD
  • 50:10promotion into poverty reduction.
  • 50:12Integrating into nutrition programs,
  • 50:14we're doing education and employment
  • 50:16programs meet evidence based
  • 50:17mental health and Sierra Leone.
  • 50:19So there are real opportunities
  • 50:21to innovate and from scarcity.
  • 50:22We can really learn a lot.
  • 50:23And to do this, policymakers need evidence.
  • 50:26And they didn't.
  • 50:27Information on costs and return on
  • 50:29investment to make those arguments,
  • 50:30and success requires these partnerships.
  • 50:32Long term partnerships where
  • 50:34you go deep and you stay long.
  • 50:36But if we can innovate in these
  • 50:37contexts if you can do it in
  • 50:39these situations of scarcity,
  • 50:40you can do it anywhere.
  • 50:41So I hope you'll join me and contributing.
  • 50:44And thank you very much is an honor.
  • 50:53A little.
  • 50:58And we just have a couple of
  • 50:59questions on chat already.
  • 51:01Just real quickly.
  • 51:02First of all, Dr. Betancourt.
  • 51:04You're a real powerhouse and and and
  • 51:06you know there's so much research
  • 51:08about these programs needing someone
  • 51:10to spearhead it and then take off and
  • 51:12they could see why it's been successful.
  • 51:14Just one thought on the 12 session.
  • 51:17This server in our.
  • 51:21Close, yes, very close
  • 51:22program and I was wondering,
  • 51:25you know, it just seems like
  • 51:26the family support workers.
  • 51:27The family in home workers.
  • 51:29Sorry that was 40 and slip were were
  • 51:32you know so connected with the families.
  • 51:34If that was one of the differences that
  • 51:36doesn't occur in a lot of the other programs,
  • 51:38you know that you you so selected
  • 51:40carefully and then got them
  • 51:41really connected the families.
  • 51:43If you think that's what did it,
  • 51:44you know the importance of
  • 51:46that relationship along with
  • 51:47all the other interventions.
  • 51:48Just your thoughts on that. Oh
  • 51:49yeah, I mean.
  • 51:51The the beauty of there.
  • 51:53There's tensions, right?
  • 51:54'cause there's confidentiality,
  • 51:55but these are collective cultures
  • 51:57where everybody knows everybody.
  • 51:58These are already people with a mandate
  • 52:00from the government to be the friends
  • 52:02of the family social protection point.
  • 52:04People in the village, right?
  • 52:06So they're already living in the
  • 52:07village and doing this kind of work.
  • 52:09When we did the trial, they were imported,
  • 52:11so they're from the village,
  • 52:12but they're not yet with that mandate,
  • 52:14so it could be in the play collaborative.
  • 52:16We're now doing it with the
  • 52:17friends of the family workforce.
  • 52:18Those issues are all the more potent.
  • 52:19But even with the importing they
  • 52:21weren't really that imported,
  • 52:23they're from a neighboring village.
  • 52:24They had to be able to get there.
  • 52:25So I do think that there's a lot to say
  • 52:28about people being from the community.
  • 52:30And then you have your 12 actual visits,
  • 52:33or at least you need to cover
  • 52:34the content of the 12 modules.
  • 52:36So you may break it up over more
  • 52:38than you know it's 12 modules.
  • 52:39It's not 12 visits,
  • 52:40but you're going to see the people again
  • 52:42and you're going to say how's that going?
  • 52:44You know,
  • 52:45hey,
  • 52:45does that tippy tap we made at your
  • 52:46house to wash your hands still work?
  • 52:48You need me to come over and fix it house.
  • 52:51Yeah,
  • 52:51they know you care and you're a part
  • 52:54of the community and I think you
  • 52:57know we struggle with issues of you
  • 53:00know who can be the mental health
  • 53:02provider confidentiality issues.
  • 53:03But even here when we're doing this,
  • 53:05United States with refugee populations,
  • 53:07I think it's some of the same power.
  • 53:09And when you look at our qualitative data,
  • 53:11they say nobody else could do
  • 53:13that intervention except somebody
  • 53:15from this lived experience.
  • 53:16And that's the power of getting,
  • 53:18you know,
  • 53:19the access to work with refugee families.
  • 53:21'cause there was a version of an
  • 53:23intervention where it was done in a clinic.
  • 53:24And people were just supposed to show up
  • 53:25and it was the mental health professional.
  • 53:27Nobody came.
  • 53:27But when we shifted it to home,
  • 53:29visiting done by appear from the
  • 53:31lived experience were able to really
  • 53:34start to have much more access and.
  • 53:36And that's about getting to reach, right?
  • 53:38Yeah, yeah.
  • 53:39So there's a lot of comments,
  • 53:41very positive comments coming in on the chat,
  • 53:43and thank you for a wonderful talk.
  • 53:44And there's a question
  • 53:45from Doctor Amanda Calhoun,
  • 53:47one of our fellows here in the Child
  • 53:49Study Center asking about and you touched
  • 53:50on this towards the end of your talk,
  • 53:52navigating issues of perceived
  • 53:53colonialism as a non or wand and
  • 53:56researcher working in Rwanda.
  • 53:58And what are the strategies you're
  • 53:59implementing to overcome that?
  • 54:01Or maybe to raise up UM researchers
  • 54:02of color here in the United States?
  • 54:05They may want to get involved
  • 54:06in this type of research
  • 54:07absolutely now as I see it,
  • 54:08it's my job to put myself out of business.
  • 54:10You know, like I should not be,
  • 54:12the person leading up and
  • 54:14being the Pi of this research.
  • 54:16In these different settings
  • 54:17here we own Rwanda.
  • 54:18I come from that, you know,
  • 54:20background myself.
  • 54:20Being in a low resource setting and
  • 54:23approaching these through partnerships.
  • 54:24And you know, throughout the years
  • 54:26like we now with our refugee study,
  • 54:29have a young man who's in a masters program
  • 54:31who was a youth Community Advisory Board,
  • 54:34meant you know, member,
  • 54:35he's now applying to PhD programs.
  • 54:37One of our Community advisory
  • 54:39partners is now in a PhD.
  • 54:41Program in public health and in Rwanda.
  • 54:43Vincent says the bear and the
  • 54:45Center for Center for Mental Health.
  • 54:46We've been able to work with
  • 54:48our funders to make sure that
  • 54:50we had an entire funding focus,
  • 54:52and that's Oak Foundation.
  • 54:53Very generously on mutual learning,
  • 54:55and we don't see it as capacity building
  • 54:57like we're the experts were going to,
  • 54:59you know, bring expertise to you,
  • 55:01but we have a lot to learn
  • 55:03from their wantons,
  • 55:04and again,
  • 55:04getting back to the stance of listening.
  • 55:07It only deepens our science to have those
  • 55:10partnerships and have mutual learning.
  • 55:12As well as we know some things about
  • 55:14how to design studies and how to write
  • 55:16up research for publications and we're
  • 55:18in it with you for the long haul.
  • 55:19And I would say in Rwanda and Karen,
  • 55:22I think you said you were.
  • 55:23You saw the real investment
  • 55:25in the academic system.
  • 55:27The commitment to rigor and training.
  • 55:30It's really exciting and I would
  • 55:33hope that eventually it's the
  • 55:35Rwandans here giving this talk.
  • 55:37And normally when we do it on zoom,
  • 55:38that's been fun.
  • 55:39We can do it all together so I.
  • 55:42I do think that it has to be
  • 55:44a part of your stance.
  • 55:46You know that you do
  • 55:47this through partnership,
  • 55:48and ultimately it's about bringing up
  • 55:49the next generation and transforming
  • 55:51who's really sitting around the table
  • 55:52and who's writing the grants and
  • 55:53getting funded and leading this stuff.
  • 55:56Another quick question from Christine Dr.
  • 55:58Christine Edmonds, wondering about
  • 55:59the volunteers and whether or not
  • 56:01they could be paid for this work,
  • 56:03and if that could be factored into the
  • 56:05cost analysis for these programs. Yeah,
  • 56:07no. We would love I.
  • 56:09I just I feel in Rwanda.
  • 56:11It may be that in Rwanda because of the
  • 56:14spirit of volunteerism and the organizational
  • 56:16structure that quality and pay.
  • 56:18But it's the same thing with you know,
  • 56:19early childhood services here.
  • 56:21When we underpay people and they're not
  • 56:24adequately compensated for their time.
  • 56:27Questions of quality are
  • 56:28always going to come in,
  • 56:29and so this has been a constant
  • 56:31negotiation with us through one
  • 56:32in government and the World Bank
  • 56:34about how to think about the the
  • 56:37investments required to scale up.
  • 56:38Because Rwanda has a lot of these
  • 56:41community based volunteers,
  • 56:43they also have community health workers
  • 56:44which are widely scaled up in the country.
  • 56:46They've started to iterate with
  • 56:48different incentive program,
  • 56:49so it's not really volunteer per say,
  • 56:51but like collectives where they may be
  • 56:53given a small loan where they can start
  • 56:55a business and then keep the profit.
  • 56:57From that that business,
  • 56:58I think at least again we have to
  • 57:00align with government priorities.
  • 57:02We can't be pitching things that
  • 57:03are outside of what the government
  • 57:05sees is feasible and sustainable,
  • 57:06but I think some of that innovation around.
  • 57:09How do you compensate?
  • 57:10And some of the small group loan programs
  • 57:13that they're experimenting with those would,
  • 57:15I think,
  • 57:16be much more exciting and palatable than
  • 57:18just expecting people that you deserve
  • 57:19a younger have been doing their jobs.
  • 57:21Still as volunteers,
  • 57:22we have to think about ways to
  • 57:24professionalize and and compensate
  • 57:26people for their professional.
  • 57:27Work
  • 57:28and just to pass it back to
  • 57:30Doctor Lichtman to closeout
  • 57:32a really inspiring session.
  • 57:33Thank you so much. It's such
  • 57:36a pleasure and honor and my goodness
  • 57:38we didn't have a chance to talk about
  • 57:40the reality in Sierra Leone and all
  • 57:42the work that you've been doing there.
  • 57:44But you're really an inspiration for
  • 57:46all of us and there's so much more that
  • 57:48needs to be done around the world.
  • 57:50And also here in New Haven.
  • 57:52And fortunately we do have a number
  • 57:54of programs here, and I guess one of
  • 57:57the other things about Teresa is that.
  • 57:59She's present.
  • 58:01If you try and reach out and make a
  • 58:03contact with Teresa, she's there,
  • 58:06and even if you invite her to come down
  • 58:07to New Haven in the midst of a pandemic,
  • 58:09she's here.
  • 58:12So,
  • 58:14and we do have a number of
  • 58:15things that we'll be talking
  • 58:16about later on this afternoon,
  • 58:18and chances are there might
  • 58:19be an opportunity for people
  • 58:21who have questions to sort of.
  • 58:23Stick around for a little bit,
  • 58:24although we probably need to
  • 58:26formally close the grand rounds.
  • 58:32OK yeah, so I
  • 58:35think we have some more time, but I'd
  • 58:36like to give this lady a standing.
  • 58:45Thank you. Never gonna put my mask on.