Intergenerational Epigenetic Inheritance of Cancer
October 08, 2021- 00:05So today I'm delighted to introduce Dr.
- 00:09Bluma Lesch as our pathology
- 00:12grand rounds speaker.
- 00:13Many of you may know Doctor Lash
- 00:15is an assistant professor here
- 00:17in the genetics department,
- 00:19but what you may not know is that LUMO is
- 00:23actually a graduate of Yale University.
- 00:26Before she went on to the MD PhD
- 00:30program at the Tri Institutional
- 00:33Program at Weill Cornell.
- 00:35Rockefeller MSKCC,
- 00:37which did her pH D with Cori
- 00:39Bargmann and then she went on to do
- 00:43postdoc at the Whitehead Institute.
- 00:45With David Page and Richard
- 00:47Young as Co advisors.
- 00:50Her research focuses on the mechanisms
- 00:53of transcriptional regulation in
- 00:55the context of both development and
- 00:57evolution and in the short time since
- 01:00she started her lab here in 2017.
- 01:02She's actually been awarded the
- 01:04prestigious steel Cyril Scholar
- 01:06Award and and just received the Pew
- 01:09Biomedical Scholar Award in 2021.
- 01:12And so, without further ado,
- 01:15I'd like to introduce Dr Lash
- 01:17and her grand rounds.
- 01:19Talk will be an intergenerational,
- 01:22epigenetic, epigenetic inheritance of cancer.
- 01:33Alright, thank you, let me
- 01:35just share my screen here.
- 02:06Can everyone see that? Yes, OK,
- 02:11so thanks to the lobby for inviting me.
- 02:13I'm I'm really excited to tell you
- 02:15about what we're working on and
- 02:16also looking forward to helping me,
- 02:18hopefully making some
- 02:20connections in your department.
- 02:22So I'm going to talk about
- 02:24Internet intergenerational
- 02:25epigenetic inheritance of cancer,
- 02:26which is a fairly dense topic
- 02:29and I want to start out actually
- 02:32with a fairly simple video.
- 02:35This is a video of, UM,
- 02:37the first cell division and an
- 02:39embryo single cell zygote with two.
- 02:43The two pronuclei coming together to
- 02:46meet and undergo the first cell division
- 02:49and generate the two cell embryo,
- 02:51and I'm showing this video both
- 02:53because it's just really cool.
- 02:55This is one of the most amazing
- 02:57points in the life cycle and
- 02:59I really like watching it,
- 03:01but also because I want to make a point.
- 03:04In this video that that sort of sets up
- 03:06the problem that we're interested in.
- 03:09And the point is so here you
- 03:11can see the two pronuclei.
- 03:13Hopefully you can see that one of them
- 03:15is much brighter than the other one.
- 03:17The brighter one is the paternal
- 03:20pronucleus coming from the sperm,
- 03:23and the reason it's brighter is because it's
- 03:27loaded up with histones tagged with GFP,
- 03:31and this GFP tagged histone
- 03:32was coming from the oocyte.
- 03:34The fact that this nucleus this nucleus
- 03:36is so much brighter means that all of its.
- 03:39The stones,
- 03:40all of it's upper genetic protein
- 03:42information has been removed and completely
- 03:45replaced with oocyte provided histones.
- 03:48So this is a you know,
- 03:49kind of the common conventional
- 03:51wisdom in the field that come,
- 03:54that all epigenetic information coming
- 03:56from sperm at least is completely
- 03:59replaced at fertilization and reset.
- 04:02And and so.
- 04:03With that in mind.
- 04:08This is a question one of the questions
- 04:11that my lab is especially interested
- 04:13in two life experiences of the parents
- 04:15affect the health of the progeny,
- 04:18and one would think since life experience
- 04:21tends to be encoded in epigenetics,
- 04:24but the fact that all of this epigenetic
- 04:26information is reset at fertilization would
- 04:28mean that the answer to this question is no.
- 04:31But what I'm going to try and get across in
- 04:34this talk is that the answer is actually yes,
- 04:36and we're going to try and
- 04:38uncover what some of the.
- 04:39Mechanisms for that might be.
- 04:41And we can break down this question
- 04:44into two more specific questions.
- 04:46One is gene regulatory information
- 04:49inherited across generations. So is this.
- 04:51This is a molecular question.
- 04:53What's happening at the biochemical level?
- 04:55And then the second question is,
- 04:57is this inherited regulatory
- 04:59information biologically meaningful?
- 05:01In other words,
- 05:02does it actually affect phenotype
- 05:04or is it just a biochemical
- 05:06signature that we can follow with
- 05:07our various molecular techniques?
- 05:09Uhm?
- 05:11Before I get too deeply into the problem,
- 05:14I'm going to give you a quick
- 05:16introduction to epigenetics.
- 05:17This is probably review for most people,
- 05:19but I just want to make sure
- 05:21everybody is on the same page and
- 05:23what I'm showing here is a consensus
- 05:25definition for what epigenetics
- 05:27is that came out of a cold Spring
- 05:29Harbor meeting about 10 years ago,
- 05:31and it has four key components stably
- 05:34heritable phenotype resulting from
- 05:36changes in a chromosome without
- 05:38alterations in the DNA sequence,
- 05:40and I want to make the point.
- 05:41That come off when we talk about epigenetics.
- 05:44We're talking about the second half of
- 05:46this sentence changes their chromosome
- 05:48without alterations in a DNA sequence,
- 05:50and those are the things shown here
- 05:52that are generally considered to be the
- 05:55carriers of opportunistic information.
- 05:58Covalent modifications to DNA,
- 05:59mostly in the form of DNA methylation,
- 06:02positioning of nucleosomes
- 06:05along the chromosome.
- 06:07Covalent modifications to histones,
- 06:09which can affect positioning along
- 06:11the chromosome transcription factor
- 06:14binding and large scale structural
- 06:16arrangements of the chromosomes.
- 06:19These are the kinds of things that
- 06:20you see a lot of data on that we
- 06:22tend to study and pay attention to,
- 06:24but I want to point out that a key
- 06:27aspect of this definition is that
- 06:29this effects phenotype and but it's
- 06:32heritable so so I and I want to make
- 06:35sure that that we're addressing.
- 06:36So those questions during this talk.
- 06:42My love is especially interested in in one
- 06:45particular aspect of epidemic information,
- 06:48we tend to focus on this level of
- 06:51organization at the nucleosome.
- 06:52The nucleosome is the basic
- 06:55structural unit of chromatin,
- 06:57and it's composed of an
- 07:00octamer of eight of eight,
- 07:03histone 8 histone proteins,
- 07:06so two tetramers.
- 07:09And 147 base pairs of DNA
- 07:12wrapped around its optimer.
- 07:16Each of these histones has a
- 07:18globular domain that makes up
- 07:20the core of the nucleosome,
- 07:22but importantly also has an end
- 07:24terminal tail that sticks out,
- 07:26and it's this floppy tail that gets modified.
- 07:29I'm currently and so we tend to.
- 07:31This is the structure we tend to
- 07:33portray this as a cartoon like
- 07:35this and this is what you'll see
- 07:36throughout the rest of the top,
- 07:38but at the biochemical level,
- 07:41covalent modifications to these
- 07:43histone tails can affect the
- 07:45stability of this nucleosome and
- 07:47in turn effects the extent of gene
- 07:50regulation of a particular locus.
- 07:53Uhm? So when we talk about resetting
- 07:57of epigenetic information,
- 07:59there are,
- 08:00and we're focusing on on his
- 08:04own modifications.
- 08:05There are actually two aspects of this.
- 08:07There's one that I showed already
- 08:09in the in the in the early embryo
- 08:11where his zones are kicked out of the
- 08:14eternal nucleus and some extent reset
- 08:16in the maternal practically as well.
- 08:19And there's also a resetting
- 08:21that happens in sperm before
- 08:23you even get to fertilization.
- 08:25So sperm actually removed
- 08:27most of their histones.
- 08:28Most of their nucleosomes as they
- 08:30mature and replaced them with
- 08:32another protein and their packaging
- 08:34protein called crudo means,
- 08:36and that's so that they can
- 08:38compact their their their genome.
- 08:40Very,
- 08:40very small and fitted into a sperm head.
- 08:43As we've all seen.
- 08:45And so.
- 08:46There's a loss of epigenetic
- 08:48information at this stage,
- 08:49and there's a loss of epigenetic
- 08:51information at this stage.
- 08:53But importantly,
- 08:53there is a little bit of
- 08:56retention of histones in this
- 08:58during this protamine transition,
- 09:00and we're actually not sure the
- 09:02extent to which those retained
- 09:04histones actually passed through
- 09:06into the into the early embryo.
- 09:12So in complete counterpoint to the extent
- 09:15of epigenetic resetting that happens at
- 09:18fertilization and before fertilization,
- 09:21there's quite a lot of evidence indicating
- 09:24that phenotype can be affected by paternal
- 09:27experience or by parental experience.
- 09:31And what I'm showing here
- 09:32are two classic examples.
- 09:34These are phenotypes that are actually
- 09:37conveyed generally by DNA methylation.
- 09:40But these are papers that that in
- 09:42some ways kicked off this field.
- 09:45This is a locus called agouti viable yellow
- 09:48which is an allele of the agouti gene that
- 09:51affects coat color among other things.
- 09:54And these mice are all genetically
- 09:56identical but carry different levels
- 09:59of DNA methylation at this locus
- 10:01which affects the extent to which
- 10:03they they express or don't express.
- 10:06This brown agouti coat color.
- 10:09And it turns out that the maternal
- 10:13epigenetic state can affect the chances of
- 10:16the offspring having the same epigenetic
- 10:18state and having a similar code color.
- 10:21These again,
- 10:22this has nothing to do with being
- 10:24encoded in the genome itself.
- 10:26So this is a maternal effect just to
- 10:28show you that it's not only maternal is.
- 10:31Similar effects can be seen and
- 10:33another locust called Accent,
- 10:34and this causes a kick tail and
- 10:36can be transmitted either from
- 10:38a father or from the mother.
- 10:40Uhm?
- 10:43A whole pile of other studies
- 10:45has looked at this kind of thing,
- 10:47not just in terms of morphology
- 10:50and coat color, but in terms of
- 10:52things like metabolism and behavior.
- 10:54So I'm showing here a couple of the
- 10:56most common types of phenotypes that
- 10:58have been studied in this context.
- 11:00A fairly well established
- 11:02one is paternal diet,
- 11:04so a high fat diet in the father can
- 11:08result in altered insulin response and
- 11:10altered glucose processing and offspring.
- 11:12This is an example from a paper in 2015.
- 11:16Uhm, a number of papers have looked
- 11:18at drug exposures in the father,
- 11:20so here's an example where a father
- 11:23exposed to nicotine has offspring that
- 11:26actually are better at processing nicotine.
- 11:29So this is actually survival.
- 11:31Or if you give them toxic doses.
- 11:34The offspring of exposed fathers are
- 11:37better able to process those doses
- 11:39and survive compared to offspring.
- 11:41If not you fathers.
- 11:43It also affects some sort of
- 11:45addictive behaviors and and and
- 11:48responses to to drugs at that level.
- 11:51And then finally there are a number
- 11:53of ways you can stress out a mouse.
- 11:54Essentially they all result in
- 11:57increased cortisol levels and offspring
- 11:59of stressed out fathers tend to
- 12:02have altered responses to stress.
- 12:04Specifically,
- 12:05a lower a smaller increase in cortisone
- 12:09following a stressful event and in some
- 12:12cases they have behavioral changes as well.
- 12:15So this is all in rodents.
- 12:17This has been looked at
- 12:19to some extent in humans,
- 12:20although obviously it's harder to do these
- 12:23kinds of experiments in human subjects.
- 12:25The best examples are in.
- 12:28One example is in a cohort from Sweden
- 12:31from the 19th century where they
- 12:34had very careful records of harvest
- 12:37yields and health outcomes overtime,
- 12:41and in that study their studies from the
- 12:44early 2000s they were able to show that.
- 12:46Good nutrition in the paternal granfather
- 12:51resulted in increased cardiovascular
- 12:53events and diabetes in grandchildren.
- 12:57This is a follow-up study that was done
- 13:00more recently in a cohort of of almost
- 13:0230,000 people over three generations,
- 13:04also in Sweden,
- 13:06and here they actually see an effect on
- 13:09cancer so well nourished grandfathers,
- 13:11well nourished paternal grandfathers
- 13:14have a a correlation with a significantly
- 13:18increase rate of cancer in grandchildren.
- 13:22Uhm?
- 13:24So.
- 13:25The answer to this question do life
- 13:28experiences of parents affect the
- 13:29health of progeny appears to be yes,
- 13:32but.
- 13:32The molecular mechanism by which these
- 13:35these experiences are transmitted
- 13:38remains a pretty significant black box,
- 13:42and so we're trying to get at these
- 13:44questions of what information is
- 13:46transmitted and whether it's meaningful,
- 13:48and we've decided to do this
- 13:50by simplifying the system.
- 13:51So rather than expose then making an
- 13:54environmental exposure change like
- 13:56diet or stress or drug treatments
- 13:58were going to make a genetic
- 13:59change where we have a little bit
- 14:02more control over the effects of.
- 14:04Add change on epigenetic state and
- 14:07then evaluate what those effects are
- 14:09in offspring and try and connect that
- 14:12molecular chain at each point along
- 14:15the way. So here is our strategy.
- 14:18Make the make a genetic change.
- 14:19In my father we examine the sperm and we
- 14:23examine the offspring within this firm.
- 14:25There are three main modalities of
- 14:28epigenetic information that will look at.
- 14:30One is small.
- 14:31RNA is so actually this is something that
- 14:34we in my lab had paid less attention to.
- 14:36Although there are plenty of
- 14:37other people in the field,
- 14:38but I've looked at from DNA metalation
- 14:40so it could be like modifications to
- 14:44the DNA and histone modifications. Uhm?
- 14:47Our general strategy is very simple,
- 14:50so we're taking advantage of the fact
- 14:53that males have only One X chromosome
- 14:55and that the X chromosome encodes
- 14:58a variety of epigenetic regulators.
- 15:01So if we delete and epigenetic
- 15:03regulator on the X chromosome in a male,
- 15:06we make a complete knockout and we
- 15:09knock that we crossed that mail
- 15:11to a genetically wildtype female.
- 15:14If you remember your Punnett squares
- 15:16from high school biology, all male.
- 15:18Offspring of that cross are going to
- 15:21get a normal X chromosome from their
- 15:23mother and a normal Y chromosome
- 15:25from their father.
- 15:26Even though the father was a
- 15:28complete knockout for this scene.
- 15:30Which means we can evaluate the
- 15:32phenotype of these F1 males and if
- 15:35we see a phenotype that implies that
- 15:37it's a result of epigenetic changes
- 15:40in the paternal germline rather than
- 15:42genetic changes that are inherited.
- 15:47As a genetic target,
- 15:48we picked the gene called JTX.
- 15:50It's also called KDM 6A,
- 15:52and you may see that name pop up later
- 15:55on in the slides and we picked this
- 15:58gene first because it's X linked,
- 15:59so it meets our first criterion.
- 16:02It's also a well established
- 16:04chromatin regulator,
- 16:05and we know a specific enzymatic
- 16:08activity that this gene has it.
- 16:11See methylates metalation
- 16:12at Lysine 27 of histone H3.
- 16:16This is a well studied histone modification
- 16:18and a well established enzymatic activity.
- 16:22For this protein.
- 16:23We also know that it has non non
- 16:26enzymatic effects on chromatin so
- 16:29it regulates enhancer assembly by
- 16:32by interacting with a complex.
- 16:34That place is a different
- 16:36chromatin modification.
- 16:37These are both relatively well
- 16:39defined functions for this protein
- 16:42and gives us some hope of being
- 16:44able to trace this molecular chain.
- 16:46From sperm to the next generation.
- 16:50We also know that UTX is
- 16:52biologically significant.
- 16:53It's a developmental regulator.
- 16:54It's been implicated in cardiac
- 16:57development and in about police this and
- 16:59we know that it's a tumor suppressor,
- 17:01which I'll come back through
- 17:03a little bit later. Uhm?
- 17:05So, uhm, here's how we set this up.
- 17:09For those of you who are interested
- 17:11in the details,
- 17:12we set this up as a conditional knockout.
- 17:14So the TX is deleted only in the germline,
- 17:17not in the somatic tissue of the parents,
- 17:19which reduces the possibility of
- 17:22having secondary or indirect effects.
- 17:24And we're using a creed that that is
- 17:27basically complete to the excision by birth,
- 17:30so U TX is lost throughout surmounted
- 17:34Genesis from starting from.
- 17:35Very early in the lifetime of the animal.
- 17:38Uhm?
- 17:40We can confirm that this knockout it's
- 17:43complete using Western blot for UT X.
- 17:45There's a tiny bit of a residual band here,
- 17:47and that's because this is done
- 17:49on whole testis,
- 17:49which has some somatic tissue which
- 17:52therefore still expresses UTX.
- 17:55Uh, the first thing to note is that,
- 17:58UM,
- 17:59that blossom PTX has essentially
- 18:01no effect on fertility,
- 18:04so I'm showing here a cross section of
- 18:07the seminiferous tubule in a control,
- 18:09and the UTX conditional knockout,
- 18:12which will be shown as Cao and
- 18:14the tubules are pretty identical.
- 18:17They contain all the different
- 18:19fault mental cell types in this
- 18:22developing seminiferous epithelium.
- 18:24Sperm look normal and the numbers of
- 18:26sperm are about the same and these
- 18:29minds can produce pops at the same levels.
- 18:31So this is.
- 18:32This is whatever we see is not due
- 18:35to some sort of secondary effect
- 18:37of just screwing up fertility.
- 18:41Uhm,
- 18:41so then we start to look at
- 18:43offspring and the first thing that
- 18:45we noticed was that offspring of
- 18:47these mice have a reduced lifespan.
- 18:49They still live a good long time,
- 18:52so they make it out to about a year.
- 18:54But then they start dying and then
- 18:56another cohort of them lives a
- 18:57little bit longer and then dies
- 18:59out in about a year and a half.
- 19:01Uhm? And we did this.
- 19:03Our initial cohort was in a
- 19:05mixed genetic background.
- 19:06Just to you know, make sure this was real.
- 19:09We also did this in an inbred
- 19:12background and can confirm same effect.
- 19:14Incidentally, and sort of fascinating to me.
- 19:17The shape of the curve is actually the same,
- 19:19so there's a drop off around the year and
- 19:22another set of deaths a little bit later.
- 19:24And then of course, what we want to
- 19:26do is look into what's going on.
- 19:28What's causing these deaths,
- 19:29and to do that we took each
- 19:31mouse that died as they died and
- 19:33did it complete necropsies,
- 19:35sampling each of about 12 tissues.
- 19:40And I'll tell you right away,
- 19:41we actually have no idea what's
- 19:43causing this first set of deaths.
- 19:45These mice drop dead overnight and
- 19:48don't appear to have any histologic
- 19:52differences relative to controls.
- 19:55But in the second set of dots,
- 19:57we found something interesting,
- 19:58so this is just raw data showing
- 20:01counts by age,
- 20:02and obviously the controls guide
- 20:04to the controls also have various
- 20:06issues because they're just old mice.
- 20:09But most strikingly,
- 20:10and there was a substantial increase in
- 20:13the number of tumors we found in offspring
- 20:16of JTX knockouts compared to controls.
- 20:19And this is tumors found
- 20:20across multiple tissues.
- 20:21The most common that we saw in
- 20:24histiocytic sarcoma, and then,
- 20:25which is common in mice.
- 20:27But we saw many more in EU TX
- 20:30offspring compared to controls.
- 20:31And then the next most common
- 20:34are cellular carcinoma and lung.
- 20:35Various lung tumors,
- 20:36which I will also come back to
- 20:38a bit at the end.
- 20:41Uhm? So that was very interesting
- 20:44and we also wanted to know what
- 20:46happens across multiple generations.
- 20:47So we did this follow-up experiments
- 20:50where I'm not showing details here,
- 20:52but basically we set it up so that we
- 20:55could look at F2 mice that were the
- 20:58product of two successive generations
- 21:00of loss of BTX in the germline.
- 21:02So in other words,
- 21:03the germ cells never have a chance
- 21:06to reset their epigenetic information
- 21:08because you taxes is continually
- 21:10lost across these two generations.
- 21:16When we look at these F2 mice,
- 21:18we see a similar reduction in lifespan.
- 21:22Uhm, and and the similar sort
- 21:25of shape overall of the curve.
- 21:27Although this first drop off is his absence.
- 21:31Interesting like.
- 21:33And again we saw a significant
- 21:35increase in the in the numbers
- 21:37of tumors that came up in mice.
- 21:40And interestingly,
- 21:41although the overall tumor rate was about the
- 21:45same between in the F1 and F2 mouse cohorts,
- 21:48there was a a noticeable difference
- 21:51in the severity of the tumors.
- 21:54So we see a lot more aggressive tumors
- 21:56and F and F2 minutes compared to F1 mice.
- 21:59They tend to be in the same tissue.
- 22:01They look a lot worse, and relatedly,
- 22:04each individual mouse has more tumors.
- 22:08And, and here we're counting
- 22:10independent tumors,
- 22:10either within the same teacher
- 22:12or in multiple tissues.
- 22:13It was not uncommon to see mice with with.
- 22:18323 independent tumors and
- 22:20occasionally four or five.
- 22:21And so something is.
- 22:23This implies that something
- 22:25is accumulating epigenetically
- 22:27across generations in the
- 22:29absence of this chromatin
- 22:31regulator in the male germline.
- 22:36Uhm, so here. So we have a phenotype.
- 22:38So this now we're at the level of the
- 22:40studies that I showed at the beginning.
- 22:42We see a phenomenon of a change in in
- 22:45phenotype in the offspring of males that
- 22:47have undergone a certain perturbation,
- 22:50and we can conclude that perturbing
- 22:52epigenetic state in the male germ cells
- 22:54reduces lifespan and increases tumor rate
- 22:56in the genetically wildtype offspring.
- 22:58And now we want to go back
- 22:59to the original purpose,
- 23:00which is to understand what
- 23:02genetic regulatory improvement
- 23:03with gene regulatory information.
- 23:05In other words, what epigenetic.
- 23:06Information is actually inherited.
- 23:11Uhm, and I'll just remind you that we
- 23:13know that UT X is a tumor suppressor,
- 23:15so when UTX is actually lost
- 23:18in the tissue itself,
- 23:19it promotes tumor formation and
- 23:22variety of different tumors.
- 23:25And just in case you're wondering
- 23:26how much people care about this,
- 23:28this is a paper that came out
- 23:30in nature a month or two ago,
- 23:32again showing that UT X axis tumor
- 23:36suppressor and attributing this
- 23:39to formation of a phase separated.
- 23:42Regions in the nucleus,
- 23:44based on an intrinsically disordered
- 23:46domain at the center of the TX protein.
- 23:52Alright, so now we wanna know what
- 23:54gene regulatory information is
- 23:56inherited from the knockout fathers.
- 23:57And can we link this to what's
- 24:00known about JTX molecular function
- 24:01as a as a tumor suppressor?
- 24:04To do that, we're going to look again,
- 24:06not so much at noncoding RNA's, but at.
- 24:10DNA methylations and histone modifications.
- 24:13And we started out by by thinking about
- 24:15histone modifications because as I mentioned,
- 24:17we know that UTX has enzymatic activity
- 24:21as a demethylase of this modification.
- 24:24H3K27 travel.
- 24:27So the first thing we did was look
- 24:29at this modification and we performed
- 24:31the chip seek experiments in sperm.
- 24:33And now we expect that use because
- 24:36you TX is a demethylase.
- 24:38It removes this modification when we
- 24:41delete JTX we should see an increase in
- 24:44K27 trimethyl signal and that is in fact
- 24:47what we see across two replicates in sperm.
- 24:51A moderate increase globally
- 24:53in K27 Trimethylation.
- 24:57So we thought create.
- 24:57This is exactly what we predict.
- 24:59Now we all have all we have to do
- 25:01is figure out exactly what genes are
- 25:04most affected by this change in K27
- 25:07TRIMETHYLATION and we'll have our answer.
- 25:10So we started looking at individual
- 25:12genes and it turned out as usually
- 25:14happens that the story was a little
- 25:16bit more complicated than I thought.
- 25:18So here is an example of our chip seek data.
- 25:21This is shown as signal tracks
- 25:23on the genome browser and so here
- 25:25gene models at the bottom.
- 25:27And if you look at the gene promoters
- 25:30and Gray is controlled data and in in
- 25:33oranges data from EU T X knockout sperm.
- 25:36And you look at the promoter regions.
- 25:38You actually see a drop in signal in
- 25:41the knockout relative to the control.
- 25:43So this is the opposite direction
- 25:45of what we had expected.
- 25:47And it turns out,
- 25:49if we look across the entire genome.
- 25:51What's happening is that in the knockout,
- 25:54the signal is dropping right at the
- 25:56promoter with where normally the
- 25:58signal is highest and it's increasing
- 26:00in these intergenic regions,
- 26:02so it's essentially redistributing
- 26:05across the genome and flattening out.
- 26:08We could interpret that as
- 26:11randomization or overall remodeling,
- 26:13but the punchline for us was that this
- 26:15doesn't actually allow us to identify
- 26:18specific genes that are being MIS
- 26:20regulated and contributing to the phenotype.
- 26:22It just tells us that something is
- 26:24wrong with K27 trimethylation sperm.
- 26:26So we decided to take an alternate
- 26:29tack and we know that.
- 26:33That K 27 Trimethylation is is
- 26:38antagonistic with DNA methylation.
- 26:41Uhm,
- 26:41so this is they actually have
- 26:43a very complex relationship,
- 26:44but in general we see that this
- 26:47modification and DNA match DNA
- 26:49metalation are anticorrelated genome.
- 26:52So we decided to look at what
- 26:54happens to DNA methylation in the
- 26:57sperm of these knockout mice.
- 27:00When we did that,
- 27:01we found actually a very striking effect.
- 27:04So it's only a relatively small
- 27:06subset of regions that exhibit
- 27:09changes in DNA methylation.
- 27:11If you look globally across the genome,
- 27:13there's no global change,
- 27:15but among these regions that exhibit
- 27:18changes. The vast majority of them
- 27:20have increases in DNA metalation,
- 27:22so there's some bias or it's
- 27:24game of DNA methylation.
- 27:25In the context of this disruption is
- 27:29overall disruption in K27 TRIMETHYLATION.
- 27:32Uhm? Interestingly, if we then look
- 27:35in somatic tissue of the offspring,
- 27:38we see the same effect.
- 27:40So again, there's an overall game
- 27:43at DNA metalation at a subset of
- 27:46LOCI and a clear bias towards gain,
- 27:48as opposed to lots of DNA metalation in this.
- 27:52In this case, bone marrow of the offspring.
- 27:56Alright, so now the question in your
- 27:59mind should be how many of these sites
- 28:02that game DNA metalation in offspring
- 28:04were also gaining DNA methylation
- 28:06in the sperm of the knockout.
- 28:09And the answer is that not all of them,
- 28:13but many of them are are hypermethylated
- 28:15in both the sperm and the bone
- 28:18marrow of offspring,
- 28:19which implies that this DNA metalation
- 28:22change may be persisting across
- 28:24generations and helping to alter
- 28:26gene expression in somatic tissue.
- 28:29This turns out to be about 200 low side.
- 28:32Uhm?
- 28:34And we can convince is an example of just
- 28:37showing the signal at one particular look.
- 28:40It's almost two,
- 28:41and then we can actually validate it
- 28:43using a different assay at the same locus.
- 28:48Uhm,
- 28:48so now we wanna know.
- 28:50OK this seems like a a important set
- 28:53of targets that may be contributing
- 28:56to our phenotype.
- 28:57We wanna know what's special
- 28:59about this set of 200 regions.
- 29:01Turns out there's not really much bias
- 29:03in terms of where they are in the genome.
- 29:05There's a bit of a cluster
- 29:06here on chromosome 5,
- 29:07but generally they're scattered
- 29:09across the genome,
- 29:10and I'll summarize a whole bunch
- 29:12of analysis by telling you that
- 29:14they're not enriched.
- 29:14It repeats,
- 29:15they're not enrich step imprinted regions.
- 29:18They're not particularly enriched
- 29:19near promoters.
- 29:20With jeans and they're not
- 29:22enriched at CPG islands,
- 29:23which is another dumb class that we might
- 29:27expect to see biases and DNA methylation.
- 29:30Uhm?
- 29:32What they are enriched for is
- 29:35changes in K27 Trimethylation,
- 29:37which is where we started.
- 29:40So the regions that have the biggest
- 29:42perturbation in K27 tend to also have
- 29:45the greatest gains in DNA methylation,
- 29:49so there may be a functional link there.
- 29:52They're also enriched and enhancer regions,
- 29:55and this is marked by a different
- 29:58histone modification that's
- 29:59generally associated with enhancers.
- 30:01We see that these persistence
- 30:04hypermethylated regions tend to occur
- 30:07in regions that have enhancer activity.
- 30:10And that was nice,
- 30:12because 'cause enhancers we
- 30:13can potentially linked to genes
- 30:15and linked to functions.
- 30:17So we did that using an established
- 30:19software for making those kinds of
- 30:22associations and what I'm showing
- 30:24here is actually all of the enriched
- 30:28phenotypes associated with with the
- 30:31the persistent hypermethylated region.
- 30:34So there's a clear link.
- 30:35There's a clear functional link here
- 30:38to tumorigenesis as sort of evidence.
- 30:41By past phenotypes that have been
- 30:44associated with these enhancer regions.
- 30:49To get a little bit more at how
- 30:51this might actually be occurring,
- 30:53we took a closer look at the sequences
- 30:56associated with these 200 or the
- 30:58sequences of these 200 regions,
- 30:59and we looked for enriched motifs
- 31:02and we were able to find 3 enriched
- 31:05DNA motifs in these sequences.
- 31:07All of which contain CPG sites,
- 31:09so these are the sites that
- 31:11game DNA metalation,
- 31:12so these are probably where the
- 31:15DNA replication is seeking place.
- 31:17And interestingly,
- 31:18two of these three have been
- 31:20tested to see if the presence or
- 31:23absence of DNA methylation effects
- 31:26binding of a transcription factor.
- 31:28So this is a site that is usually
- 31:31bound by transcription factor
- 31:32called elk one in the presence of
- 31:35DNA methylation elk when binding.
- 31:37Is significantly inhibited
- 31:39and same thing here.
- 31:41This is normally bound by GPA and the
- 31:44presence of DNA metalation there's a
- 31:46significant inhibition of binding,
- 31:48which implies that these regions
- 31:51that gained DNA metalation and sperm.
- 31:54And then retain that DNA
- 31:56metalation in offspring.
- 31:58There may be an effect on transcription
- 32:00factor activity and G and downstream
- 32:03gene expression that may in turn
- 32:05affect the phenotype and maybe
- 32:07tumorigenesis in those tissues.
- 32:09Interestingly,
- 32:09at around the same time that
- 32:11that we did this study,
- 32:13another paper came out looking at you.
- 32:15T X function in magnetic tissue.
- 32:18And and they found almost exactly
- 32:20the same enriched set of motifs among
- 32:23a set of genes where they found
- 32:25when they knockout EX they see a
- 32:27miss regulation of gene expression
- 32:29and they see they see that UTX
- 32:33binds directly to these promoters.
- 32:36So here you see out for a while
- 32:38and GPA coming right out of this
- 32:41analysis as well.
- 32:42So this implies that UTX may
- 32:45actually directly bind these sites
- 32:47in developing sperm altered DNA
- 32:50methylation at those sites, the DNA.
- 32:53The DNA metalation is retained in
- 32:56matter poetic tissue of offspring.
- 32:59And effects from binding and
- 33:01downstream expression based on these.
- 33:04These classes of transcription factors.
- 33:08One example of this effect
- 33:10is that the ranks 2 gene,
- 33:13so this is one of the hypermethylated
- 33:15DMR is that we identify it within
- 33:18that DMR we see an elk one
- 33:20binding site within that elk.
- 33:22When binding site is a CPG site and
- 33:24that site has more population in
- 33:28knockout sperm compared to controls and
- 33:31more methylation in healthy bone marrow.
- 33:35And knockout an offspring of
- 33:37knockouts compared to controls.
- 33:39Since is any absence of any disease,
- 33:41phenotype, and implies that they
- 33:43made that this may predispose these
- 33:46healthy offspring to generating.
- 33:48Blood tumors this is a analysis
- 33:51of of ranks to target.
- 33:53Genes are now looking downstream in
- 33:56the in the gene regulatory network.
- 33:59This set of genes sort of as significantly
- 34:02perturbed and gene expression
- 34:04space in the presence of disease.
- 34:06But even before we see disease,
- 34:08there's a shift in the expression
- 34:10of these downstream genes towards
- 34:12a more disease like state,
- 34:14again implying that may be predisposed
- 34:17by these epigenetic changes induced by
- 34:20by UTX last in the previous generation.
- 34:28Alright, so from that we can conclude
- 34:31that the sperm of beauty X knockout males
- 34:35carries changes in histone methylation
- 34:37K27 trimethylation and DNA methylation,
- 34:40some of which persists offspring.
- 34:43And it leaves open two questions that
- 34:46we're sort of in the process of pursuing.
- 34:49One is, how are these changes
- 34:50established in the developing germ line?
- 34:52So we we what we've added so
- 34:54far is mature sperm.
- 34:55But we know that UTX is lost at the
- 34:57beginning of spring out of Genesis.
- 34:59So what are those initial changes
- 35:01in epigenetic state?
- 35:02That's set up views?
- 35:04DNA methylation differences
- 35:06that appear to persist?
- 35:09A second question is how are they maintained
- 35:11in developing tissues of offspring?
- 35:13So again we have a time point of sperm.
- 35:16And then we have a time
- 35:17point of adult offspring.
- 35:18Actually pretty old adult offspring
- 35:20that are starting to develop tumors.
- 35:22What happens during all the time in between?
- 35:25How do we maintain these epigenetic marks?
- 35:28Even in the context of of rapid changes in
- 35:32developmental gene expression and so on?
- 35:35And finally,
- 35:36how do they actually predispose
- 35:38to tumorigenesis?
- 35:38I showed you one example in the
- 35:41in the alteration of ETS binding
- 35:44transcription factor binding,
- 35:46but we'd like to identify sort of
- 35:49some more global rules about how
- 35:51this effect may be taking place.
- 35:54So what I'm going to show you is
- 35:56just a little bit of preliminary data
- 35:57to try and address these questions.
- 35:59These are things that were very much in
- 36:02the process of trying to understand still.
- 36:05So First off we looked at where you
- 36:07at when you text is expressed during
- 36:10strategy MC developments and what I'm
- 36:13showing here is single cell RNA seek
- 36:15data that's been put onto a pseudo time axis.
- 36:19So these different colors are
- 36:22progressive stages of schematic
- 36:23demik development starting here
- 36:25in red or starting over here,
- 36:28and the sporadic janitors progressing
- 36:30through meiosis and through
- 36:32the final stages of sperm.
- 36:35Developments and intimate tours firm.
- 36:39DMC1 is a marker for a specific
- 36:41cell type and a specific stage.
- 36:43This is the very beginning of the
- 36:46entry into meiosis when chromosomes
- 36:48are actually inducing double strand
- 36:50breaks and starting recombination.
- 36:52So this is a critical time
- 36:54during spermatic Genesis,
- 36:55and it has to be very highly regulated,
- 36:57and you can see that U TX is most strongly
- 37:00expressed right exactly at this time.
- 37:02So it's a very specific time in Toronto,
- 37:04Genesis, and implies that it may
- 37:06have for very specific developments.
- 37:08Functions, and there's also
- 37:10a bit of expression,
- 37:11and the earlier strategem excels and
- 37:14a little bit in the somatic cells.
- 37:17And we can confirm this.
- 37:18Uhm, this is using single molecule RNA fish,
- 37:22so each of the green points here is a
- 37:26single molecule of RNA ATX RNA in blue.
- 37:30Is DAPI showing the chromatin and
- 37:33you can see that there's JTX RNA
- 37:36molecules in these cells that are at
- 37:38the edge of the seminiferous tubule.
- 37:41These are the progenitor and early meiotic
- 37:43cells that I referred to just a minute ago.
- 37:47And but expression persists
- 37:48actually a little bit into later
- 37:51stages from out of Genesis,
- 37:52but is definitely highest in
- 37:54these early progenitor cells,
- 37:56confirming what we saw from
- 37:58the single cell RNA seed.
- 38:01In addition, I told you at the very
- 38:04beginning of this talk that some lots of VTX
- 38:08doesn't affect fertility, which is true.
- 38:10These mice are completely fertile.
- 38:12There's no change in sperm count,
- 38:14but we do see a little bit of
- 38:15an effect on spermatogenesis.
- 38:17This is an extremely mild change,
- 38:20but we see a statistically significant
- 38:23increase in the number of spermatogonia,
- 38:26so these early stragetic genitor cells.
- 38:29As I said, either by market,
- 38:31by this solid four marker or
- 38:34by sort of counting by Ajani.
- 38:38And that implies that although
- 38:41nothing is affecting fertility,
- 38:43something is off in these cells.
- 38:45Something has been changed in the gene
- 38:48regulatory network that's causing them
- 38:50to not progress completely smoothly,
- 38:52so through their normal development.
- 38:57And we also looked at gene expression in in
- 39:02testis and whole testis and consistent with
- 39:05the fact that we see very that we see very
- 39:09little change in phenotype in the knockout.
- 39:11And in the fact that you TX is expressed
- 39:14only in a very small subset of cells,
- 39:17we don't see massive changes at
- 39:18the level of the whole test.
- 39:20So that's what we expect.
- 39:21But we do see a couple of interesting
- 39:24changes, and one of them is KLF 10.
- 39:26So Cliften is a transcription factor
- 39:28that's known to be a direct targeted VTX,
- 39:32significantly downregulated in JTX knockouts,
- 39:36and we know that it acts in a
- 39:38variety of developmental contacts,
- 39:40often along with TGF beta.
- 39:42And so this is a good candidate for, UM.
- 39:45For it, sort of for understanding how
- 39:48transcriptional networks may be perturbed,
- 39:51starting from the very beginning of
- 39:52loss of BTX turns for how to Genesis,
- 39:55and we're actually waiting
- 39:56for single cell RNA.
- 39:58Seek data to come back.
- 40:00That will hopefully allow us to look at
- 40:03gene expression changes specifically in
- 40:04the subset of cells that do express JTX,
- 40:07which hopefully will be.
- 40:09A little bit more expensive.
- 40:13And then finally, uhm,
- 40:14I getting into sort of to the other end of
- 40:18the spectrum trying to understand what's
- 40:20actually happening in these offspring
- 40:23tissues to promote tumorigenesis.
- 40:25We've actually shifted our
- 40:27attention recently.
- 40:28We have been focusing on Magic Poesis based
- 40:31on the histiocytic sarcoma phenotype,
- 40:34but have started focusing
- 40:35a little bit more on lung.
- 40:37And there are a couple of reasons for that.
- 40:38One is that slang is a little bit
- 40:41easier to collect than bone marrow,
- 40:43but also that we saw this really
- 40:47interesting effect in the F1 and F2's,
- 40:50which is just actually there
- 40:52are two parts of it.
- 40:53One is that.
- 40:56Long is the only tumor that we never
- 40:58saw spontaneously occur in controls,
- 41:00and we see it only in the
- 41:02offspring of JTX knockouts,
- 41:03so it seems to be fairly specific.
- 41:06And two is that it has this.
- 41:08It had a very strong,
- 41:09effective anticipation where the
- 41:11tumors in the F2's were significantly
- 41:14worse than the tumors in the F1F ones
- 41:17tended to be small self contained data
- 41:19nomas and the F2 is often they would
- 41:21take over the entire chest cavity.
- 41:23So it seems like there's something
- 41:25especially sensitive in the in
- 41:28the lung that may be picking up
- 41:30on these changes that do not get
- 41:32reset from generation to generation.
- 41:34In keeping with that,
- 41:36we see a substantial set of genes that
- 41:39are miss regulated in both F1 and F2 long.
- 41:42So this is these are completely
- 41:45genetically wildtype mice and
- 41:47completely histologically normal lung,
- 41:51so this is pre any disease and
- 41:53yet they share about 200 genes
- 41:55that are commonly MIS regulated,
- 41:57implying that there's some sort of
- 41:59common process that's going on there,
- 42:01and these genes are enriched for a
- 42:03variety of biological processes.
- 42:05And just as an example,
- 42:07the most enriched processes relate
- 42:10to protein targeting to the membrane,
- 42:12and these are some of the genes
- 42:15included in that category.
- 42:17And I'm showing this where each
- 42:19column is an individual mouse.
- 42:22To emphasize that these effects are
- 42:24very consistent from individual
- 42:26to individual.
- 42:27Again,
- 42:28despite the fact that they're
- 42:30genetically identical and there is
- 42:32no apparent disease in these tissues.
- 42:36And finally, in trying to understand again
- 42:39what the links are between these sets of
- 42:42miss regulated genes and tumorigenesis,
- 42:45we've also noticed that the sets of genes
- 42:48that are commonly miss regulated in F1 and
- 42:51F2 lungs are enriched for being Mick targets.
- 42:57To make, of course is a is a.
- 43:00Extremely common oncogene,
- 43:02and it's been implicated previously in
- 43:05regulating abrass dependent lung cancer,
- 43:08so this may be sort of an interesting
- 43:12connection to what's actually
- 43:13happening to initiate these tumors.
- 43:15To predispose these lung tissues to tumors.
- 43:20Uh. So so in conclusion,
- 43:23basically we've found that perturbing
- 43:25epigenetic state in male germ cells
- 43:28reduces the lifespan and increases
- 43:30tumor rate and wild type offspring,
- 43:32and that's perma VTX knockout.
- 43:34Males carries changes in histone
- 43:37modification K27 TRIMETHYLATION,
- 43:39and in DNA METALATION,
- 43:41and some of those changes
- 43:43persist into offspring.
- 43:45And to me,
- 43:45this implies that a common set of
- 43:47regulatory networks may be sensitive
- 43:49to epigenetic perturbation in the
- 43:51germline and in tumorigenesis.
- 43:53In other words, there are some jeans,
- 43:57some promoters,
- 43:58some regulatory regions that are
- 44:01especially sensitive to any kind of
- 44:05epigenetic change be at loss of BTX
- 44:08or potentially an environmental.
- 44:11Influence or or toxin and that.
- 44:15The germ line is particularly prone
- 44:18to misregulation of those regions,
- 44:21and those regions are especially.
- 44:26Have an especially strong tendency to
- 44:29contribute to initiation of pyrogenesis,
- 44:33so there's a correlation that may
- 44:35actually be causation across generations,
- 44:37but at least is an interesting
- 44:39set of networks to explore.
- 44:41And finally,
- 44:42this sort of fascinating idea that although
- 44:46you TX is not required for fertility,
- 44:49it may.
- 44:49It may have a role in the germline,
- 44:51and tuning heritable epigenetic information.
- 44:54So in other words,
- 44:55the Organism has an interest in
- 44:57controlling what epigenetic information
- 44:59is passed across generations,
- 45:02and that U TX may be one of the tools
- 45:05that it uses to control that information.
- 45:08So finally I just want to acknowledge a
- 45:11bunch of people who have contributed to this,
- 45:14uhm,
- 45:15Ben Walters is a postdoc who's done most
- 45:17of the work on this project in my lab,
- 45:20Shannon created the fertilization video
- 45:23that I showed and Allison is underground.
- 45:26He's been helping Ben out how Ming
- 45:28is a student who has done some
- 45:30really cool work on this project
- 45:32that I actually did not show here,
- 45:34and I want to make sure to acknowledge
- 45:36this is a project that I initiated.
- 45:37As a postdoc at Whitehead and David Page,
- 45:40my mentor,
- 45:41there was extremely generous and
- 45:43letting me start this very risky and
- 45:47very expensive project without much
- 45:49promise of of where it was going to go,
- 45:52and likewise hope funds for Cancer
- 45:55Research initially funded it.
- 45:57Similarly had a very risky stage.
- 46:00Rod Brunson is a veterinary Paul
- 46:03tough Ologist who did the the looked
- 46:06at actually every single necropsy
- 46:08slide for this project she's on and
- 46:11Ben are hematologists who helped
- 46:13with that phenotyping.
- 46:15Elizabeth Morgan as apologists at
- 46:17Brigham Hill helps validate some
- 46:19of our results and grant gave us the
- 46:22TX mice and Tyler provided advice for
- 46:25the project and thank you again for
- 46:28the invitation and for listening.
- 46:30And I'm looking forward to.
- 46:31Answering any questions.
- 46:37Thank you so much Bluma.
- 46:39Uhm that was it was really fantastic.
- 46:42I think a lot of us think about changes
- 46:45to methylation marks a lot in in
- 46:48terms of you know, different tumors,
- 46:51but we don't really get to think a lot about.
- 46:55The mechanisms underlying what sort
- 46:57of what those changes are sort of.
- 46:59What is the origin of those changes
- 47:01and and and sort of all the different
- 47:03contexts that you mentioned here,
- 47:04and the germ line.
- 47:06So thank you so much.
- 47:08There are actually a couple of questions
- 47:11already, so doctor Sklar asked.
- 47:13Where the tumor types heritable
- 47:16between the F1 and F2 generations.
- 47:21Uhm, meaning oh, so if you have a
- 47:23specific if you have an F1 with a
- 47:25particular tumor, do the offspring
- 47:27of that F1 get the same tumor so?
- 47:32Uh, yeah, I think that.
- 47:33I think that's the question.
- 47:35OK yeah, that's a great question and
- 47:37one that we do not have data to answer
- 47:40because the we never actually bred those.
- 47:43Come the F1 that we phenotypes we
- 47:45never bread and F ones that we bred.
- 47:47We never phenotype so we were never
- 47:50able to make that specific connection
- 47:52from the F1 to F2 generation.
- 47:54It's only at the population level but yeah,
- 47:56that's a great question.
- 47:59OK and then come from Katie
- 48:02Politi bloomer really nice talk.
- 48:04Have you looked at the lung tumors to
- 48:07see whether they have K Ras mutations?
- 48:09Mice can develop them spontaneously
- 48:11and as you mentioned K.
- 48:13Ruskin cooperate with MIC.
- 48:15Yeah also a great question. We have not.
- 48:18We haven't looked at any genetics
- 48:20yet in these mice so we haven't
- 48:24looked to see what kind of underlying
- 48:26spontaneous mutations there may be.
- 48:29We're in the process of setting up
- 48:31to try and do some XM sequencing
- 48:34from the slides that we have.
- 48:36It's sort of variable in quality,
- 48:38but but we definitely want to look
- 48:40at that, yeah?
- 48:44OK, and then there's also a question in
- 48:48the Q&A box from Chen and many of these
- 48:52top dogs in F1 and F2 lungs are RP.
- 48:56LRPS jeans. Do you see any changes
- 48:59of translation translational changes?
- 49:03We have not looked at it.
- 49:04Yeah, we we definitely want to,
- 49:06but we haven't collected that data yet.
- 49:08This is all pretty new.
- 49:09All that like data, yeah?
- 49:12OK, so there's lots of there's
- 49:14a lot of interest, so Krishna,
- 49:16who's one of our residents asked,
- 49:18does such findings have potential
- 49:20impact on epigenetic paternal
- 49:22screening and or genetic counseling
- 49:25in couples planning to conceive
- 49:27or with male infertility issues?
- 49:30Uhm, that's a great question I.
- 49:34So yes and no.
- 49:35I think on a practical level it
- 49:37would be very difficult to do any
- 49:40epigenetic screening at this point.
- 49:42I think it that's some future goal
- 49:44might be to identify a set in humans,
- 49:47a set of sort of high risk
- 49:49epigenetic loci that we could do
- 49:52some sort of array on or something.
- 49:54And then we could look at things like that.
- 49:56Or right now we just don't have any idea
- 49:58we can't like whole genome sequence,
- 50:00every infertile couple or whole genome
- 50:02bisulfite sequence every infertile.
- 50:04Couple uhm.
- 50:05But I actually think like looking
- 50:07for germline mutations of epigenetic
- 50:10regulators is a potentially really
- 50:13fruitful thing that people don't do
- 50:16right now because I think what one
- 50:18thing that our study has shown is that
- 50:21increase rates of mutation of these
- 50:24regulators can affect phenotype even if
- 50:27the mutation itself is not inherited.
- 50:30So in other words,
- 50:31if there are,
- 50:32if you're if the father is producing
- 50:34sperm that carry these mutations.
- 50:36Even if the sperm that creates the
- 50:38embryo doesn't carry the mutation,
- 50:40it may actually be relevant information
- 50:42for understanding the health of the embryo.
- 50:44So and that's something that we
- 50:46may be might be able to do at
- 50:47kind of a screening level.
- 50:51And finally, Doctor Prasad asked, can these
- 50:54heritable epigenetic changes be reverted?
- 50:58Uhm? So far, no, at least
- 51:01not a controllable way.
- 51:06They are in a very exploratory
- 51:09set of experiments.
- 51:11It would be cool to try using sort
- 51:14of epigenetic drugs and seeing
- 51:15what that would affect that has,
- 51:17although that's obviously not locus specific,
- 51:20so that may have a lot of secondary
- 51:23changes that we're not expecting.
- 51:25My lab has thought about using
- 51:26CRISPR type approaches to do
- 51:28this in a locus specific way,
- 51:29but that's obviously not.
- 51:32Sort of applicable then it
- 51:35potentially clinically applicable
- 51:36and is a experimentally challenging,
- 51:39so I haven't managed to actually do it yet,
- 51:42so that's a great question as well.
- 51:44We don't yet know the answer to
- 51:46bloom. I thought I really enjoyed your
- 51:49talk and I thought it's fascinating that
- 51:52you have mice with with different code
- 51:56colors and that was epic genetically
- 52:01determined. And and which brings me to.
- 52:05Is that possible that the skin color in
- 52:07humans is also epigenetically determined?
- 52:11Because clearly there is a correlation to
- 52:14environment and sun exposure and different
- 52:17regions in the world and the skin color.
- 52:22Yeah yeah. So. So on one level.
- 52:26Certainly there's an epigenetic
- 52:27component because it's responsive,
- 52:29as you said, responsive to environment.
- 52:31So if you if you spend a lot of time
- 52:34in the sun then generally your skin
- 52:37gets darker and that's epigenetic.
- 52:39It's there's there's.
- 52:41It's not necessarily gene regulatory based,
- 52:44but then the second question might
- 52:46be to wet expenses that heritable
- 52:49and that we don't know.
- 52:50I think in the in the case of mice.
- 52:52We had a specific locus that
- 52:54we knew is responsible for, UM,
- 52:57for coat color and and and then
- 52:59a specific regulatory change.
- 53:02In that case,
- 53:03there was a transposon that was inserted
- 53:05in the locus so we could try or the
- 53:07people who did the study could track,
- 53:09you know, the extent to which
- 53:11that transposon was methylated.
- 53:12Basically,
- 53:12in humans I don't know if we know
- 53:16of alleles that could do that.
- 53:19Sort of an analogous situation
- 53:21so we don't have.
- 53:22Any specific data sort of
- 53:24demonstrating that it could be true,
- 53:26although we don't have anything
- 53:27showing that it can't be true either.
- 53:36K I think I don't
- 53:39have any other questions.
- 53:41I'd really just like to thank you again.
- 53:44Bluma, it's really fantastic talk and
- 53:47I just like look forward to you know,
- 53:52helping you connect with anyone in our
- 53:55department and it'll be really great too.
- 53:59You know work work together
- 54:01in in whatever capacity?
- 54:04Yeah, no thank you again,
- 54:05it was great to to be here.
- 54:09Hey, uhm. I guess we can't come.
- 54:15Uh, I guess that that's sort of
- 54:17it so we can come log off there.
- 54:20I've there aren't any other questions.
- 54:22Thank you again.
- 54:24Thanks everyone for attending.