Hybrid Effectiveness-Implementation Trials: Testing Strategies, Assessing Outcomes, and Planning for Sustainability

December 15, 2023

Speaker: Rani Elwy, Ph.D

November 17^th, 2023

This seminar discusses the process of implementing evidence-based treatments covers three stages. this talk will provide guidance on designing and conducting Hybrid Type II and III effectiveness-implementation trials, focusing specifically on theoretical guidance, selecting, and operationalizing implementation strategies, and assessing implementation and effectiveness outcomes.

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00:01<v ->Okay. Well, hello, everybody.</v>
00:04Welcome to our CMIPS seminar.
00:07CMIPS is the acronym for our Center for Methods
00:10in Implementation and Prevention Science.
00:13I'm Donna Spiegelman, the Director of the Center,
00:16and this seminar is being co-sponsored
00:20by the Dissemination and Implementation
00:22Science Methods Core, the NIH T32 training grant,
00:26Implementation Science Research in Methods,
00:32and R3EDI, the Rigorous, Rapid,
00:34and Relevant Evidence Adaptation and Implementation
00:38to Ending the HIV Epidemic Implementation Science Hub.
00:42We're very pleased to welcome our guest,
00:45Dr. Rani Elwy,
00:46who's Professor of Psychiatry and Human Behavior,
00:50and Professor of Behavioral and Social Sciences
00:53at Brown University.
00:57She is a health psychologist, health services researcher,
01:01and an implementation scientist
01:03who examines patients' access to
01:06and uptake of mental health care,
01:08the effectiveness and implementation
01:10of complementary and integrative health services
01:13for treating mental health disorders and pain,
01:17and she works on crisis and risk communication
01:20between patients, families, providers, and health systems.
01:25Dr. Elwy is the Founding Director of the Brown Research
01:28on Implementation and Dissemination
01:30to Guide Evidence Use BRIDGE Program,
01:33which sounds like a sister program to our own here,
01:37Co-Director of Implementation Science in Advance,
01:40Rhode Island Clinical Translational Research,
01:43and Implementation Scientist
01:45in the Biobehavioral Sciences Core
01:47of the Providence/Boston Center for AIDS Research.
01:51Dr. Elwy is a VA
01:53or Veterans Administration Implementation Scientist
01:56serving as the multiple principal investigator
01:59of two program grants:
02:01The Bridging the Care Continuum
02:03for Vulnerable Veterans Bridge QUERI Program,
02:07which consists of three hybrid
02:09type three effectiveness implementation trials
02:12to increase the uptake of mental health
02:14and substance use services and treatments
02:16among veterans in 18 sites.
02:21And two, the Evidence Policy and Implementation Center,
02:25a QUERI program
02:26dedicated to building capacity in implementation science
02:29across the entire VA healthcare system.
02:32Additionally, Dr. Elwy is a Fellow
02:34of the Society of Behavioral Medicine
02:37and the recipient of a VA Research Center Scientist Award.
02:41So, clearly, she's got her bona fide
02:43in implementation science all across the spectrum.
02:48Today, she's gonna talk about
02:49Hybrid Effectiveness Implementation Trials:
02:52Testing Strategies, Assessing Outcomes,
02:55and Planning for Sustainability.
02:57And, Dr. Elwy, would you prefer to give your talk
03:00and then take questions,
03:02or would you like to have people pop in questions
03:04into the chat as you go along?
03:06(indistinct)
03:20<v ->Thank you for the invitation and that introduction</v>
03:22and apologies that it was so long.
03:25But anyway, I'm really happy to be here.
03:27And as you see,
03:28I actually took out the word trials and put in studies
03:31and I'll explain why in a minute.
03:36So I have some funding grants
03:39and just wanted to provide those disclosures,
03:41and also that my views are mine alone
03:44and not that of the VA or the federal government.
03:48So when I think about why I feel so passionate
03:52about implementation science...
03:54Actually I just realized that just so you know,
03:56I can't actually see the chat here in the system that...
04:02So yeah, so yeah, thank you very much.
04:06<v Donna>You know, I'll take care of it. (indistinct)</v>
04:09<v ->Thank you.</v>
04:10So when I think about why I'm so passionate
04:13about implementation science
04:14or how I really just fell into it, two things come to mind,
04:17and I'm very well aware
04:19that I'm talking to a very quantitatively strong group,
04:22so at least here are some statistics for you.
04:25So the first is that we all know that on average
04:27it takes 17 years for 14% of research
04:31to make its way into practice.
04:32I recently read that the statistic
04:34is now approximately 15 years,
04:37but that's really not enough of a change,
04:40we still have a long way to go.
04:42And then the other statistic is that 85% of federal research
04:47is wasted every year due to the fact
04:50that we do not move our evidence into practice,
04:54and this equates to about $70 billion per year,
04:58which is kind of shocking.
05:00And it was actually those two statistics
05:03that I said to my dean
05:07who made him really sort of pay attention
05:09to implementation science
05:10and decide to invest in our program at Brown.
05:14I feel very fortunate to have grown up
05:16in the VA healthcare system as an implementation scientist.
05:20Our national implementation science program is called QUERI,
05:23which is the Quality Enhancement Research Initiative.
05:26And under the leadership of Amy Kilborn, Dr. Amy Kilborn,
05:30we now have over 50 centers
05:32who partner with up to 70 or more different program offices
05:37and regional partners around the country.
05:39One of the programs that I am PI of,
05:41with three other colleagues,
05:42is the BRIDGE program, which is in Bedford, Massachusetts.
05:46And it's one of these five year
05:50five plus million dollar grants
05:52where we have three hybrid type three trials
05:55that we are doing all at once,
05:57implementing three different evidence-based practices,
05:59and so that's what I'm gonna be talking about today.
06:02I brought my implementation science knowledge and training
06:06from the VA into Brown five and a half years ago,
06:09and we recently rebranded our implementation science core
06:12as the Brown Research on Implementation and Dissemination
06:17to Guide Evidence Use BRIDGE Program.
06:19And as you all know here,
06:21we just don't have enough training programs,
06:23we don't have enough capacity building programs
06:25for implementation science,
06:26and so a lot of us
06:27are just starting to like implement our own as a result.
06:32So I just wanted to talk about hybrid designs and trials,
06:38but I'm actually gonna try to convince us all
06:42to use the language of hybrid studies from here on out
06:46and I'll explain why.
06:47So we all know the original paper that came out in 2012
06:50by Jeff Curran, Mark Bauer, Brian Mittman,
06:54Jeff Pyne, and Cheryl Stettler, that was really seminal.
06:58I was just starting my implementation science training
07:00in this year at the Implementation Research Institute,
07:04and everyone was so excited
07:06about these different hybrid designs,
07:07the one, the two, the three.
07:08I know that many of you already know what these are.
07:11I'm just gonna be focusing today on the three
07:13where really the primary aim is on testing the effectiveness
07:17of the implementation strategies
07:18to increase the uptake of the evidence-based practice.
07:24When this paper came out,
07:25Brian Mittman was one of my mentors and he said, you know,
07:28they really should have said right from the beginning
07:30that every randomized trial is always a hybrid one,
07:35and so they've actually started
07:36to really change that language.
07:39And so just recently they published,
07:41this was from last December,
07:43reflections on 10 years of using hybrid designs,
07:47hybrid trials,
07:48and they tried to make a good case
07:50for why it's really much more important
07:53to be calling these hybrid studies.
07:55And I'm really happy about this because this...
08:00And I know that, again,
08:01I'm talking to a very quantitatively savvy group.
08:04Not all things in the real world can be randomized,
08:07and so we have had to do studies
08:09that I would consider a hybrid
08:11but didn't fit under the definition
08:13because it wasn't a randomized control trial.
08:16So in these updated recommendations,
08:18they really have three things
08:20that they want people to take away.
08:21Replacing the term design in favor of the word study
08:26because, as I just said,
08:27many people are applying hybrids and non trial designs
08:30and it is possible to conduct a hybrid study
08:35to answer questions about intervention effectiveness
08:37and implementation in a wide range of study design.
08:40(indistinct)
08:43They offer in this paper,
08:44four questions to help people decide
08:49which of the hybrid studies that they should be conducting,
08:53and I'll tell that to you in a minute,
08:54and they've also really emphasized how you can build cost.
08:57And I know that we have some cost people in the audience,
08:59how to really bring in cost into hybrid studies,
09:02because when our ultimate goal from all of this work
09:06is to implement and sustain our evidence-based practice,
09:09cost is such a huge and driving factor for that.
09:13So these are the four questions that are asked in the paper.
09:17What is the nature of your effectiveness data?
09:19How much do you expect
09:21the intervention will need to be adapted?
09:23How much do you know about implementation determinants?
09:26And how ready are you to evaluate
09:28real world implementation strategies?
09:31If you know a lot about your effectiveness data,
09:33if you feel that there needs to be some components
09:37of adaptation built into your actual aims,
09:42if you already have a good sense
09:44of what your implementation determinants,
09:46your barriers and facilitators are,
09:48and if you feel that you can develop and evaluate
09:52those real world implementation strategies
09:54to address those determinants,
09:56then you're probably ready for a hybrid three
09:58or if not at least a hybrid two.
10:00But if you're more on the end of I don't know,
10:03then you probably wanna go to more of a hybrid one.
10:06And so this paper really helps people
10:08think that through more than the original one.
10:13So this is gonna be the crux
10:14of what I'm gonna be talking about today.
10:15When I think about what we want to achieve
10:18in implementation science,
10:19I think of these three big buckets,
10:21and I'm sure that there are other ones
10:22and we can definitely have a conversation
10:24about why I haven't included others.
10:26But I think of testing strategies
10:28because strategies are what is going to make us
10:31be able to get things implemented uptake in the real world.
10:37But it has a lot of different factors to it.
10:39You need to specify and operationalize your strategies,
10:42you have to randomize on strategies,
10:44and for some people that's a very new thing,
10:46you're not randomizing on the intervention,
10:48you're randomizing on the strategies, and tracking.
10:52You know, I often say that as implementation scientists,
10:55our job is just to track,
10:56track everything, track adaptations,
10:59track whether they were fidelity consistent,
11:01track your strategies,
11:02and especially if you're doing something
11:03across a lot of sites, that's a lot of tracking.
11:05So we'll talk about that.
11:07I also think that we really need to be focusing
11:09on assessing outcomes,
11:10and these always need to be guided
11:12by a theory, model or framework.
11:14You need to do this over multiple time points.
11:16One time is not enough
11:17in the scope of an implementation trial,
11:20things change over time.
11:22So one strategy might be leading to a better outcome,
11:27but when you use other strategies,
11:28maybe those outcomes aren't so good,
11:30and so we really need to know those differences.
11:33And one of the most important things,
11:35and this has been a message I've had to give
11:37to a lot of my clinical trialist efficacy researchers,
11:40our measures need to be pragmatic.
11:42Please don't use a 60 item measure
11:45in your implementation study,
11:47it's not gonna be used in the real world.
11:48Please don't include a two hour
11:51clinical structured interview to assess outcomes,
11:54again, not gonna be used in the real world,
11:56really focusing on pragmatic, easy to use,
11:59transferable measures.
12:01And then finally planning for sustainability.
12:04If we don't plan, it will not happen,
12:07and that's also a very hard message for people to hear.
12:10How do I know, if I'm doing a hybrid type one,
12:13that whatever I'm implementing is gonna be effective?
12:15And I say, let's just pretend that it will be.
12:18Let's find out what is happening during that trial
12:21that actually can inform our next steps
12:24and help us think through,
12:26you know, who is gonna own this eventually.
12:28And obviously this involves
12:30a lot of engagement with the partners, community based,
12:32health system based that we're gonna be needing
12:35to eventually sustain our efforts.
12:39When I think about the theories,
12:40models and frameworks I use, I always have a process model,
12:43and so in the VA we have this QUERI implementation roadmap
12:47that everyone can use.
12:49It's very foundational, but it works in every case,
12:55so we have a pre-implementation phase,
12:57an implementation phase, a sustainment phase.
13:00It looks like you always go in one way around this,
13:02but you can go back and forth,
13:04especially in the pre-implementation
13:05and implementation phases.
13:07So we use this to guide our work
13:09and this is really applicable
13:10and we'll talk more about these details,
13:12but it's something that you should consider
13:15to have a process model
13:16to drive what your steps are of your work.
13:21In our Bridge QUERI Program,
13:23which is testing the uptake and hopefully sustainability
13:28of three evidence-based practices,
13:30these are each in a hybrid type three trial.
13:32So they're simultaneously happening
13:34led by three different people and their teams.
13:37We're working with veterans who have opioid use disorders,
13:41we're working with veterans who have been recently released
13:43from an incarceration setting,
13:45and then we have veterans
13:47who are engaging in criminal activities
13:50and are going through the veteran treatment court.
13:53Veteran treatment courts
13:53are actually based in the community,
13:55but we work with our veteran justice outreach group
13:57within the VA to work with that.
13:59And so, as you can see,
14:00these are not easy to solve problems,
14:03this is a vast amount of effort on these people.
14:07So the Homeless Overdose Prevention Expansion Project, HOPE,
14:12is really trying to implement an opioid overdose education
14:16and naloxone distribution to reduce overdoses.
14:19So that's the evidence-based practice there,
14:21and that is led by Dr. Amanda Midboe at Palo Alto.
14:26The PIE Project is a peer support initiative.
14:30It's a Post-Incarceration Engagement Project
14:32where we're really helping to work with veterans
14:35when they come out of jails for social support,
14:37skill building, linkage to care.
14:40And then we have MISSION-CJ,
14:41which is very long acronym I'll tell about it in a second,
14:44where we are aiding veterans in case management,
14:46assertive outreach, hybrid treatments, linkage support.
14:52Also really trying to make sure
14:53that we are examining the health equity needs
14:57of our veterans
14:58as well as how we can help them stay housed
15:04if they're at risk for homelessness.
15:06My job in all of this is I run our implementation core,
15:10and here we are trying across all these three projects
15:13to have similar phases, similar measures, similar designs.
15:18So that's been a real learning experience for me
15:22to simultaneously work with three different trials
15:24at the same time to really make sure
15:26that we are capturing data on a widespread basis.
15:30Here are my three MPI colleagues.
15:33Keith McInnes is running the PIE Project with his team,
15:36David Smelson is running the MISSION-CJ Project,
15:39and Amanda Midboe is running the HOPE Project.
15:41It's definitely a village that's doing this.
15:45And what's really exciting
15:46is when your work is totally aligned with policy,
15:49and I really want people to think about that
15:51with the types of work that you do,
15:52because policy is actually going to help you
15:54with your sustainability.
15:56So this is from the February State of the Union,
15:59and there were three parts of this that completely aligned
16:03with the work that we are doing.
16:04So expanding peer support services in the VA.
16:08Two of our three evidence-based practices
16:10that I'll tell you about, the PIE and MISSION-CJ,
16:14are being implemented by peer support specialists.
16:16So we need more of them in the VA,
16:18and so the federal government is funding this.
16:21We're trying to reduce homelessness.
16:24So this is also a focus
16:26of the Biden Administration for veterans.
16:29And then we're also expanding outreach
16:31to justice involved veterans,
16:32which is a very big part of the MISSION-CJ Project
16:35as well as PIE.
16:36So we can see that we have
16:38a lot of policies support behind this
16:40and we just also need the funding too.
16:43So just a brief thing about HOPE,
16:45and just to sort of maybe state the obvious to people,
16:49I am not the content experts with any of these,
16:51I'm the implementation scientist.
16:53My colleagues who run these projects
16:55also have implementation science expertise,
16:56but we needed a central core
16:59to sort of oversee all of these.
17:00And so Amanda is working with HOPE in five sites
17:05that are in California, Nevada, and Hawaii,
17:08with veterans who have a diagnosis
17:11of an opioid use disorder,
17:12a stimulant use disorder or are being prescribed opioids.
17:17The PIE Project, the Post-Incarceration Project,
17:20really works intensely with veterans
17:22when they're coming outta incarceration
17:23and coordinates with our healthcare
17:25for reentry a veteran office and also our housing,
17:30and the HUD-VASH is taking housing vouchers
17:34from the federal government
17:35and then pairing that with veteran supported housing
17:39and other support services.
17:41There are four components to PIE,
17:43linkage and referral, skill building and goal setting,
17:46community reintegration, and social and emotional support.
17:49So right now PIE is being implemented in six sites,
17:52other sites have either previously implemented it
17:54or are no longer implementing it.
17:58And then MISSION-CJ, which is our most complex intervention,
18:00is Maintaining Independence and Sobriety
18:03through System Integration Outreach
18:05and Networking-Criminal Justice.
18:07MISSION was developed 25 years ago by David Smelson
18:10and has had a whole bunch of evidence behind it,
18:14but it's pretty complex.
18:15They build it into the criminology concept
18:19of risk, need, responsivity,
18:22where they're trying to identify
18:24which person in the criminal justice system,
18:27how can we tailor what they need to support them.
18:29And so they have core services
18:30of critical time intervention, empowering pro-social change,
18:34dual recovery therapy, peer support,
18:36and then they also offer
18:38some vocational and educational support
18:40and trauma-informed care,
18:42and they are implementing this across eight sites.
18:45David actually has a really massive $12 million HEAL grant
18:50where he's doing this in even greater sites,
18:52so I really don't know how he's managing,
18:54but there's a lot of MISSION implementation
18:56happening around the country right now.
18:59So HOPE has five sites, PIE has six sites,
19:02and MISSION has eight sites.
19:06My job is to say how are we gonna do this all.
19:09How can we keep similar methods
19:12across everything that we're doing?
19:13And so again, we've used the roadmap model, process model,
19:17and we have a really strong pre-implementation phase.
19:21And I will just also say, I don't know if anyone saw it,
19:23but maybe four months ago, Lisa Saldana,
19:28came out with a paper with some colleagues
19:29that showed across a large swath of papers
19:34that they reviewed that studies
19:36that had a very in-depth pre-implementation period
19:41actually were more successful
19:42in their implementation efforts later.
19:44So a lot of people, you know,
19:45they wanna just dive in and I say embrace this period.
19:50Even when you have an effective evidence-based practice
19:53that you wanna implement,
19:54you still need to know about a new site,
19:57you still need to know what the clinical workflow is,
19:59you still need to know what are the anticipated barriers
20:03and facilitators implementing something.
20:04And so from there, we're not gonna change
20:07what our evidence-based practices are,
20:08but what we're gonna do is we're gonna think
20:10how can our strategies address these
20:12and how can we create any adaptations
20:15but without changing those core components.
20:17So really, you know, let yourself be immersed in this phase.
20:23Yeah, of course.
20:25(audience conversing indistinctly)
20:42(audience member speaking indistinctly)
20:58(audience member speaking indistinctly)
21:29Yeah, I don't know if the Zoom audience can hear,
21:33but there's some conversation around
21:38how difficult it is to get RO1 funding
21:41to have a substantial pre-implementation phase
21:43even when you already have an evidence-based practice
21:47and whether the VA is different.
21:49I do think the VA is different,
21:53but we have built this into RO1 grants,
21:55and in fact, I will say that what was really interesting
21:58for my colleagues who...
22:00So what I do at Brown
22:01is work with a lot of efficacy researchers
22:03who are building an implementation science
22:05into their grants.
22:06So I have several colleagues who do suicide prevention work,
22:09and they were taking a suicide prevention
22:11an intervention called STEP into an inpatient setting.
22:16And it has a lot of evidence-based,
22:18they're just moving it to a new setting and it's an RO1,
22:22and the program, the POs from NIMH came back and said,
22:28you need to do, as part of this,
22:30a bunch of formative evaluation
22:32with a health system leadership
22:34before you can do the rest of the aims.
22:38They weren't saying we're not gonna fund your project,
22:40they said you need to build in a pre-aim
22:43before your aim one.
22:44And so I worked with the team
22:46to build a formative evaluation phase
22:48because the STEP had never been in an inpatient,
22:51it had always been used outpatient,
22:52and the program office said,
22:55we're not gonna fund it
22:56until you know more about what you're gonna go into,
22:58and so that was very positive.
23:00It didn't come from the reviewers,
23:02it came from the program office,
23:03so you know, that's a positive thing.
23:05So yes, I will say you kind of have to limit yourself.
23:10You could go crazy and spend a lot of time,
23:12but like we lot a lot ourselves.
23:14And unfortunately we started this in October of 2020
23:19when the VA was still dealing with a lot of challenges
23:22with COVID and virtual work
23:24and also about a month and a half
23:27before the vaccines were implemented.
23:30So this was not a good time to do a lot of informative work,
23:34I'll tell you, but anyway, we did it.
23:36And then our implementation is a lot of the training of...
23:40You know, because in a hybrid three,
23:42the goal is to get the people at the sites
23:44to do the implementation.
23:45You are helping to direct that,
23:47you're providing them with support through your strategies,
23:49but you should not be implementing that in the hybrid three
23:52because that's not real world.
23:53And so we have, in the HOPE project, social workers,
23:56and in the other team, PIE and MISSION-CJ,
23:58we have peer support specialists
24:00and we need to train them to do this,
24:02and so we spend a lot of time on that and implementation.
24:06And then obviously as we go through,
24:08we're also assessing our outcomes
24:09but they are a secondary aspect.
24:12And then sustainability.
24:13So we have just finished three years of our trial,
24:17see I slipped, three years of our study,
24:21and we've launched year four,
24:24and so some of our sites
24:25have gone through the implementation
24:27and are moving towards sustainment assessment
24:29and some are just starting.
24:30So there's kind of like a...
24:33Well, it's a stepped wedge design,
24:34so we're not there with all of them right now.
24:38So again, I'm not the statistician on the project,
24:43but I just wanted to let you know
24:45that we're doing cluster randomized step wedge trials,
24:49in parentenses, studies,
24:51as I try to transition to this language.
24:54But our overall goal is really to estimate the effect
24:57of what it's like to transition
24:58to a higher intensity implementation strategy package
25:02from a baseline lower intensity strategy package.
25:05On each of the effectiveness outcomes that we're using,
25:07we're gonna use mixed effects regression models,
25:10we'll have a fixed effect
25:11before the implementation strategy package.
25:14I keep saying package but we do know
25:17because we're tracking these things really well
25:19that not all of our implementation strategies are being used
25:23despite all our best efforts.
25:24So we're trying to track individual strategies
25:27within each of these higher intensity
25:29and lower intensity states.
25:32And then also we will,
25:34we are trying to do some balancing
25:36and, you know, we did that prior, you know,
25:38to look at the different site characteristics
25:40of our different wedges.
25:42And we have had sites drop out,
25:43we've had sites that we've added in,
25:45it has not been textbook perfect by any means.
25:50<v Donna>I want to ask a few questions.</v>
25:51<v ->Yeah, but I may not be able to answer. (laughs)</v>
25:56<v Donna>In terms of your primary outcome of analysis,</v>
26:00when you write implementation strategy,
26:02you mean the whole bundle or your putting in variables,
26:06each one of the components individually assess the impact
26:10of each one of the components of the bundle?
26:13<v ->So when we wrote the proposal,</v>
26:14we thought bundle slash package.
26:17But as we are doing a lot of tracking of those strategies,
26:20I think that our analysis is gonna be by the individual
26:24so they don't overlap.
26:25We tried really hard to make sure our bundle of strategies
26:28in the higher intensity do not overlap
26:30with the bundle of strategies in the lower intensity.
26:32So if only a few
26:34of the higher intensity strategies get used,
26:36we'll know that those are higher intensity,
26:38but they may not be the whole package.
26:42That is definitely a difficult thing
26:44to get people to use all of them.
26:47And I will tell you about those strategies in just a second.
26:50So now I'm gonna move into the testing strategy.
26:51So as you remember,
26:52I said really important to achieve what our goals,
26:55in implementation science,
26:56we need to randomize some strategies,
26:58we need to do a lot of tracking,
26:59we need to do a lot of specifying and operationalizing.
27:02And one of the things I really wanna get across is this,
27:04nothing about me without me motto
27:07that was developed in the late 90s, early 2000s,
27:10about patient-centered care,
27:11and I would argue that this is absolutely necessary
27:15for doing an implementation study.
27:17Because as you're developing your implementation strategies,
27:20you are doing this in concert with your sites,
27:23with your partners, with the champions,
27:26with everyone that you're gonna be working with.
27:29And I think the reason this is so important is because,
27:32in the end,
27:33successful implementation is going to be because of trust.
27:38And Alison Metz wrote a paper
27:40in "Implementation Science Communications" last year
27:43on sort of thinking of trust in a conceptual way
27:45across implementation studies,
27:47and she talks about intrapersonal trust
27:50and interpersonal trust.
27:51But I believe that in any shape or form,
27:55this is why the pre-implementation work is so important,
27:58you are building trust through those efforts.
28:00And so people realize
28:02that you are not just doing a research study
28:04'cause you got funding,
28:05you're not just trying to write a publication,
28:06that you're actually trying to change care
28:09and improve care and make lives better.
28:11And so if people can see that
28:13as you're doing your formative work,
28:15then I think that that is the basis
28:17for your successful implementation.
28:20I like to show this slide
28:22about the nine buckets of implementation strategies.
28:25Even though it's the earlier paper
28:26on implementation strategies by Byron Powell and colleagues,
28:30it's really hard for people to conceptualize
28:3173 implementation strategies,
28:33but when you think about them in nine buckets,
28:35I think that's much more helpful.
28:37And so when you look at them,
28:39you can imagine trust being part of all of this.
28:41You know, when you're assessing people for readiness,
28:44when you're trying to do interactive assistance,
28:46when you're doing adaptations,
28:48when you're trying to develop relationships
28:50and training people, supporting clinicians,
28:53engaging consumers, et cetera,
28:54trust is such an important part of that.
28:56People wanna know like,
28:57why are you interested in doing this?
28:58You know, what is in it for me and what is in it for you?
29:03So I think relationship building is so critical
29:06and the trust piece comes naturally with that.
29:10So in addition to our process model
29:12of the QUERI implementation roadmap,
29:13we also have a model that's helping us examine
29:16the various determinants
29:18that we're going to be needing to consider throughout.
29:21And we chose, because it's a hybrid type three
29:23and we're focused on sustainability,
29:25The Dynamic Sustainability Framework
29:26that was developed by David Chambers,
29:28Russ Glasgow, and Kurt Stingy.
29:30And this is saying that there are three main components
29:34that we need to consider, intervention,
29:36the evidence based practice, the practice setting,
29:38the context of what we're implementing,
29:40and then the wider ecological system,
29:42which is very much a thing to think about
29:44from a sustainability perspective.
29:46But what's different about their suggestions is that,
29:48again, it's not just a one-time assessment.
29:51How does this change over time?
29:53So at the pre-implementation phase,
29:54it may look like one thing,
29:56at the implementation phase,
29:57it may have a different feeling about it,
29:59and then at the sustainment phase, we might see things.
30:02So we need to have a constant process
30:05by which we're examining that.
30:07And in fact, Enola Proctor recently published a paper
30:10sort of looking at, you know,
30:1110 years of implementation outcomes
30:13according to her implementation outcome framework.
30:16The critiques that she has of the literature
30:18is that people are just doing one-time assessments
30:20of implementation analysis, that's just not enough.
30:24So this is just an example from HOPE
30:26about how we're sort of doing this
30:27across the three phases of the roadmap
30:29and then guided by The Dynamic Sustainability Framework.
30:32So in phase one,
30:34they did 52 interviews of various people at the sites,
30:38and HOPE is still in the phase two and phase three stages,
30:41as are all the other projects.
30:42So there's been 21 interviews
30:43so far in implementation phase,
30:4521 interviews so far in sustainment phase.
30:48But really doing interviews with the housing,
30:50supportive housing staff, the prescribers for the Naloxone,
30:55other key staff, pharmacists,
30:58social workers and veteran patients.
31:02And we're using a rapid directed content analysis approach
31:06with really guided by
31:08The Dynamic Sustainability Framework construct.
31:12So when we decided on this proposal,
31:15we had years of research building up to this
31:18and so we decided that we were going to use facilitation
31:21as our implementation strategy.
31:24But when I say that, it sounds so funny,
31:26because facilitation is like literally like 10 things.
31:28It's a bundle in itself, so it's a natural bundle of things.
31:32And so we're trying to use, you know, engagement,
31:35identifying champions, action planning, staff training,
31:38problem solving, technical support,
31:41which is different from technical assistance, I'll just say.
31:44So technical support is a much more hands-on process
31:47and audit and feedback process.
31:48So lots of things go into facilitation,
31:50it's a naturally existing high intensity bundle.
31:55And then we start with the more lower intensity bundle,
31:59which is either education outreach or academic detailing.
32:04They're very similar.
32:05HOPE uses academic detailing,
32:06the other projects use education outreach.
32:08But this is more
32:09to really have these targeted structured visits,
32:12we're delivering tailored training
32:14and we're doing technical assistance
32:15as in contact us if you have a problem
32:17as opposed to us contacting you.
32:20So it's much more lower intensity.
32:22I would love for our results to be really strong
32:26in the lower intensity
32:26because that's gonna be much more sustainable.
32:28But that's an empirical question so we will...
32:33It really comes from the world of pharmaceuticals, I think,
32:37people would show up and have like a one-on-one and say,
32:40"Dr. Spiegelman, let me tell you
32:42about this medicine that I have
32:45that can help patients with diabetes,"
32:47and they'll have like a one-on-one conversation
32:48and really just tell them about it.
32:49And so we've taken that and made it into, I mean,
32:53and we're not dealing,
32:54but other people have made that
32:55into more of a one-on-one strategy just to inform.
32:58It's more of an educational activity.
33:03So the good news is there's lots of tracking supports
33:06available for us out there that are getting published.
33:09The bad news is they're a lot of work.
33:13So in 2020 our colleagues in Little Rock Arkansas
33:17who are really have been the group
33:19that have been defining what facilitation is,
33:22doing lots of trainings, they have a manual,
33:24if you need that let me know,
33:25but it's probably listed in that paper.
33:28But in this paper they actually, as an appendix,
33:31gave a Excel tracking sheet.
33:33This is how you can track facilitation and we use this,
33:36we've adapted it a little bit
33:37because we're also tracking the stage of implementation
33:40in which people are at, but we can see what type of event.
33:43So when you have facilitation,
33:44you have an external person who's part of the team,
33:46you have an internal facilitator at the site
33:48and you're working one-on-one,
33:50but the internal facilitator
33:51is the one who's doing the work.
33:53So our peer support specialists,
33:54our social workers are the ones doing the work.
33:56And so we are tracking all type of communication they have,
33:59we're tracking the type of personnel involved at the site,
34:03we're tracking the facilitation activity codes,
34:05which of the various things of facilitation are happening.
34:09Really importantly,
34:10we're tracking how many hours and minutes
34:12each facilitation activity takes.
34:15And so clearly we know what we do on the external side,
34:20what our research staff does
34:21when they reach out to the peer support specialist
34:22or the social worker,
34:24what we don't know is what happens on their side.
34:25And so we have these check-in calls with them,
34:28it might just be 15 minutes just to say like,
34:30what did you do this week? Who did you talk to?
34:33And that's really essential
34:34because to ask people to complete this type of tracker
34:37would be really difficult to do.
34:40We actually also adapted this
34:42so that we could add in some education
34:44and academic detailing outreach to this
34:47so that we didn't have to have more than one tracker.
34:50(audience member speaking indistinctly)
34:52I'll come to that. (laughs)
34:55(audience member speaking indistinctly)
34:57Yeah, no, this is really, thank you for...
34:59'Cause I was gonna say this
35:00and what has been so essential about this
35:02is because we know what type of personnel it is,
35:04we know how much time they spend,
35:05we can actually estimate their salary
35:08and we know how much every facilitation activity took.
35:11Yes, we're doing that.
35:12It was actually a requirement of the project to do that.
35:15So we've created our own sort of Excel dashboard,
35:18it's not really a dashboard
35:19because it's not updated automatically,
35:22but we're sort of tracking every project.
35:24This is the PIE project with its six sites
35:27to see whether people are in pre-implementation
35:28and implementation.
35:29So we're sort of using these trackers
35:31to find out where those are.
35:33And then here is a snapshot
35:35of how we can sort of examine
35:37those different facilitation activities.
35:39The pie chart on the left
35:40shows us the different support staff
35:43who are involved in the facilitation activities.
35:45So we are working with either the social worker
35:48or the peer support specialist,
35:49but then they're going on and working with other people too.
35:52And then we see on the right side,
35:55all the different activities
35:56that's happening in facilitation,
35:57and you can see that some are more popular than others,
36:00and so this is why we know that not all are getting used.
36:04And then the bottom left shows us
36:05how much time in minutes is being spent.
36:09And so obviously site one and four are doing great,
36:13like they're really spending a lot of time on this
36:15and the other sites are spending less time,
36:17that doesn't necessarily mean that they're worse or better,
36:19it's just there's so many different dynamics
36:22that go into any organization in any site.
36:24And so, you know, this'll be something
36:27that we'll have to examine when we do our analysis,
36:29but it could be really important to know,
36:31does more time lead to better outcomes? Who knows?
36:37So how are we gonna assess these outcomes?
36:39So again, remember guided by a theory model framework,
36:42multiple time points as outcomes change over time
36:45and involving pragmatic measures is really key.
36:48So on the left column is all the pragmatic measures
36:51that we said and/or how we are going to conceptualize
36:54some of these things.
36:55So at the top we have an organizational readiness
36:57for implementing change scale,
36:59we have the three quantitative assessments
37:02of acceptability, appropriateness and feasibility,
37:05which align with the Proctor model.
37:07We are looking at four of the re-aim outcomes
37:11in terms of implementation outcomes,
37:13reach, adoption, fidelity to the implementation,
37:16and then sustainability.
37:18And so each of these is being assessed in different ways,
37:21slightly,
37:22the measures stay the same across all three studies,
37:25but the re-aim ones
37:27are a little bit different depending on the project.
37:30So these are the two scales that we're using,
37:34scale packages,
37:35organizational readiness for implementing change,
37:38and then the implementation outcome measures.
37:41Yes, oh.
37:44(audience member speaking indistinctly)
37:51They're really kind of basic.
37:53(audience member speaking indistinctly)
38:00Oh, interesting. Yeah, I haven't heard that section.
38:05I did reach out to him at one point,
38:06because I work with a lot of clinical trials,
38:10they were like, is there a cutoff point for these scales,
38:12and Brian was like,
38:13"Oh no, we're nowhere near having that kind of data."
38:16But I agree that they're really basic
38:19and we do use them at three time points,
38:22luckily they are not exactly next to each other,
38:26like they're like a six months to 12 months apart.
38:29(audience member speaking indistinctly)
38:30Well, each of those has four questions.
38:33Yeah, this has 12.
38:35(audience member speaking indistinctly)
38:51We've also, I think,
38:53only given the feasibility to some people,
38:55I don't think the feasibility
38:56has been relevant for everybody.
38:57Oh, there's something in the chat.
38:59(audience member speaking indistinctly)
39:07ORCHA's big, this is 12 item.
39:10Yeah, there's some statement that they're having,
39:13people are having trouble hearing the questions.
39:14So the questions are about just the relevance
39:18and the usefulness of these implementation outcome measures
39:21because people find them very repetitive
39:24and not really informative,
39:28and I think there's more work to be done
39:30in this space for sure.
39:32(audience member speaking indistinctly)
39:44Oh, yeah, that's great to think about.
39:48<v Speaker>You have an international audience,</v>
39:49people participating from all over the world.
39:52<v ->Oh, wonderful. I'm glad this time works. Thank you.</v>
39:55So in our dashboard we are collecting the data,
39:59so this we can do it automatically.
40:01So we send out a red cap survey to people, they complete it,
40:05and it transitions into our Excel spreadsheet automatically.
40:10So this is actually some very good part
40:12of having these three projects
40:14and being able to collect the data that way.
40:16So we have sort of some assessments,
40:18this is by site of where people are with their mean scores,
40:22and then we can sort of compare the scores
40:25across the different projects as well.
40:29The challenge here is that
40:31everybody's not doing the same measurement at the same time,
40:33so we try to stay on top of this and sort of remind people
40:37that it's a little bit more challenging
40:39than I hoped it would be.
40:40Just looking at reach for HOPE, you know,
40:44maybe the bottom is the best to look at.
40:46We just had a technical expert panel meeting
40:48on November 7th,
40:49so a lot of these more recent information
40:52on reach and adoption, implementation,
40:54just came from that November 7th meeting.
40:56So you can see that the percent
40:58of eligible veterans offered
41:00versus six months post implementation
41:03has definitely gone up in the opioid education
41:08and naloxone distribution.
41:09So this all very positive, no statistics here,
41:13we're just tracking it at the moment.
41:15We're also looking at how many people were offered it,
41:17how many case managers trained,
41:19and one site has just started implementation in this case.
41:23<v ->Go back a second?</v> <v ->Yeah.</v>
41:24<v Speaker>There's a very interesting issue</v>
41:26that arises in looking this data,
41:29which is, you know,
41:30we always think about privacy of individual,
41:32but actually in some of the work I've done now,
41:36we found that there are privacy issues
41:38all concerns by facilities
41:41where like it could be embarrassing to say Palo Alto
41:44that they were only at 19%
41:47and they could even get in trouble or lose their funding.
41:50And so I'm wondering-
41:51<v ->I shoulda probably. (laughs)</v>
41:55Yeah, we probably should've DM'd.
41:56Maybe I'll go on, so no one's looking at that anymore.
42:01Yeah, well, I mean I probably should have done it here too.
42:04So yeah, I mean I think it's like, you know...
42:08I think everyone knows that people are working really hard.
42:13We've done a lot of qualitative work
42:15to show that the reasons why people don't offer it,
42:18like veterans get offended that you're offering it to them,
42:22like, is one, you know, like other social workers said
42:26that it was not within their scope of work,
42:28you know, like scope of practice.
42:30So we have a lot of barriers that we've identified
42:33that we're trying to address,
42:34and obviously some of those things
42:35we need to raise to a higher level
42:36to say like we go to the National Social Work Agency
42:39and say, "How can you help us?"
42:42Because we want social workers to be able to do this,
42:44but they don't think it's in their scope of practice.
42:45So yeah, so those are the types things
42:47that we are working on.
42:49Then we look at how many veterans
42:51have been released from jail in the PIE Project,
42:54the Post-Incarceration Engagement,
42:56and we can see how many we actually served in our project.
42:59You know, there's six sites on the bottom,
43:01so this is more just to give you an idea,
43:03you don't have to look at the details,
43:04but just to how we're trying to track things.
43:06And then we also look at
43:09the different total encounters post release.
43:12So it's just, you know, some projects are just starting,
43:15like we know, so we don't have very much data in them there.
43:20And then in MISSION,
43:22we are tracking who is trained at each of the sites.
43:25And this is actually a really difficult one
43:27because we're working with a community organization,
43:29which is the veteran treatment court,
43:30and so we're now going completely outside of the VA
43:33to do this, so it's really challenging.
43:36Who's trained, who's implementing
43:38of those who have been trained,
43:39how many veterans have been served,
43:41and how many mission encounters have happened,
43:43and mission encounters are pretty complex.
43:45So the fact that there are over a thousand already
43:49after year three is really great news.
43:51<v Speaker>Can you remind us what a mission encounter is?</v>
43:53<v ->Yeah, mission encounter is,</v>
43:55I'll just quickly scroll back
43:57'cause I won't be able to remember it all.
43:58it's several different evidence-based practices.
44:04There's a critical time intervention, pro-social change,
44:08dual recovery therapy, peer support sessions.
44:11So lots of things happening,
44:13and this is to keep veterans out of the jail basically.
44:19Sorry, close your eyes as I scroll back down.
44:26<v Donna>It's all so interesting,</v>
44:27but we have 10 minutes left.
44:28<v ->Okay, yeah,</v>
44:29so here are some of our effectiveness outcomes,
44:31which we're not assessing yet,
44:33but we're gonna look at linkage to care, overdose rates,
44:35criminal recidivism, et cetera.
44:39So from planning for sustainability,
44:41I'll just go and just give you a high level overview
44:44of what we're trying to do to do this.
44:45So we just started year four,
44:47we've decided this is the right time
44:49to really start engaging our partners.
44:50We talked about this at the November 7th meeting.
44:53And so just as a paper,
44:55this is a really useful paper to look at
44:57in terms of thinking about how do you design
44:59post dissemination and sustainability.
45:01I really have learned a lot from this group.
45:05And we're collecting a lot of qualitative data, as I said,
45:08we're actually putting that into our dashboard
45:12to sort of see what qualitative data emerges
45:14from each of the three phases of pre-implementation,
45:18implementation and sustainment,
45:19all guided by The Dynamic Sustainability Framework.
45:24This was a poster presented last year at the DNI conference.
45:27And we're using this tool,
45:29the Program Sustainability Assessment Tool,
45:31which is freely available online,
45:33developed by Doug Luke at Wash U.
45:35We do not have people fill out this 40 item survey,
45:38and this is like for our program partners.
45:40What we do instead is when we have our conversations
45:43like we just had with the technical expert panel meeting,
45:46we'll choose a few of these concepts to talk about.
45:49So what are we gonna need
45:51in terms of organizational capacity to keep this running?
45:54What is the funding going to be like?
45:56How do we adapt this to continue to make it useful?
45:59What information do you still need?
46:02So we are using this more in a conceptual way,
46:04and I do this with a lot of my NIH funded projects too.
46:08This is a very short and sweet pragmatic measure
46:11called PRESS to get at sustainment use.
46:14So these three questions, Donna, are being asked to people.
46:19This is a fairly new measure.
46:22So we are trying to see,
46:24when we're done with the implementation effort,
46:26are people using PIE, are people using HOPE,
46:28are people using MISSION
46:30now that we're no longer actively implementing?
46:34And then just as a cost piece that you brought up,
46:36we are using the coins,
46:38which is built on the sticks of coins
46:40as for cost of implementing new strategies.
46:42The stick is the stages of implementation completion,
46:45both have been developed by Lisa Saldana.
46:47So we are actually taking these eight steps
46:51of the stick through our tracker,
46:54we added them to our facilitation tracker,
46:56and we're deciding which of our activities
46:58are in pre-implementation, implementation and sustainment,
47:02and then we already have that data
47:04on how many hours and minutes, the personnel involved,
47:07and we are capturing those costs.
47:09I'll just say that we use the same exact approach
47:11in a Cory funded paper.
47:12This just came for Cory funded project,
47:14this paper just came out.
47:16I only leave it here just to show
47:18like a completed cost of implementation.
47:22You know, I'm not an economist, I led this,
47:25it took me out of my comfort zone,
47:27but I've decided that if I can do it, anyone can do it.
47:31And so really just wanna wrap up
47:33and say this is a gigantic village project,
47:37I think team science is everything.
47:39Everyone on here has something to contribute
47:41and it's absolutely not me,
47:45it's all of these people that we have made this possible,
47:49and we'll have our final results in two years.
47:52So we'll stay tuned
47:52to see how effective everything has been.
47:55So questions.
47:57(audience member speaking indistinctly)
48:05<v ->The question here is,</v>
48:07can we hear about power consideration
48:09for effectiveness versus implementation outcomes
48:11with hybrid studies one through three.
48:14Specifically, how much should we consider power
48:16for implementation outcomes in hybrid two and three studies?
48:19We did actually, not me,
48:24we did do power analysis on our hybrid threes.
48:27We estimated how many veterans
48:31we would need to include across all sites,
48:35so not just one site because we're aggregating data,
48:40and I think we have met that bar,
48:43but I would be very happy
48:46to put you more in touch with our statistician if you...
48:50I'm gonna capture this person's name
48:53and I'll put them in touch with our statistician.
48:55But yes, it's necessary to power
48:59because we are going to be using these regression analysis
49:02to determine whether which types of strategies
49:05actually led to increased uptake,
49:07but also the uptake is one implementation outcome,
49:10but we wanna look at the other implementation outcomes too.
49:15(audience member speaking indistinctly)
49:23Yeah, I think I actually have it in my proposal
49:27in my laptop somewhere that I could look up,
49:29but I think we had to do a milestone report
49:35of how many providers or people we thought we would train,
49:39peer support specialists, social workers,
49:41so we have that for every project,
49:43how many veterans that they would then serve.
49:46So we have that and we kind of have it by time,
49:50so after year one, year two, year three,
49:52of course when we wrote this proposal,
49:54COVID had not happened.
49:54We just submitted this in December of 2019,
49:58so we absolutely got behind on that.
50:01So we didn't follow the milestones
50:04despite best efforts as best as we can.
50:07Yes, so the provider piece is important,
50:09but then we also are learning all about their challenges
50:13with talking to veterans.
50:14Like the fact that we could get a provider
50:17really bought into this, trained, willing to implement it,
50:20but if their initial conversations
50:22with veterans are not positive, then that's a challenge too.
50:26So we're trying to interview veterans to learn more too.
50:33(audience member speaking indistinctly)
50:41Oh, I'll repeat.
50:43I'll repeat the question.
50:46(audience member speaking indistinctly)
51:07So the question is about...
51:09Thank you, Jen.
51:11The question is about how do you build trust by showing up
51:15when you have real world challenges of,
51:19you know, you aren't funded on a project at that point.
51:22So in this project were funded to do this,
51:25but we also had...
51:29Often, by the time you get to a hybrid three,
51:30we've already built relationships.
51:33These sites are new to us,
51:34but our program partners are not new,
51:36and so we had their backing to help us.
51:38But for people who are just starting out doing this,
51:42I often have had calls from, you know,
51:44a full professor saying,
51:46"I've never done this before. How do I do it?"
51:48And I literally say to them,
51:50"Please go have coffee with someone."
51:52Like, they'll say, "The only thing I've ever done
51:55is I've gone to a clinic
51:56and I've hung up flyers for my project."
51:58That's the extent of their engagement, and I get it,
52:03like all they needed is to recruit people from that site.
52:05That site had to say,
52:06"Sure, you can recruit people, but we're not gonna help you.
52:09This is something you do on your own."
52:10But I say, you know, yes, it takes time and effort,
52:15but try to meet with a clinic head, somebody,
52:19and just do not tell them what you wanna do.
52:22Go meet with them and say,
52:23"I would love to learn more about what matters to you.
52:27What are you trying to work on? What are your priorities?
52:30What keeps you up at night? What would you love to address?"
52:32And they'll tell you seven things right off the bat.
52:35One of those things might already align
52:37with what you wanna do.
52:39And at that point though, they feel like you're listening,
52:42you are, and then you can say, well, I have this idea,
52:44and you can start that conversation.
52:46If, for example, they don't say anything
52:48related to what you wanna do,
52:50then I say, then step back and go,
52:53well, clearly there's a mismatch.
52:55You know, and they're the ones who are living,
52:57breathing this day to day,
52:58and maybe your idea needs to change a little bit.
53:01But I love the idea of starting with asking questions
53:06and showing up as opposed to
53:08coming in with a fully developed specific aims page
53:10and saying, I really wanna do this, yeah.
53:13Is that what you meant? Yeah.
53:17And someone says,
53:19it'll be interesting to have an in-depth session
53:21on the methodologies you...
53:23Sorry, I can't read this thing, there's a little thing.
53:28Oh, that you'll apply for analysis
53:31of the stepped wedge design.
53:33Yes, luckily that isn't me,
53:37but so in our implementation core,
53:39we have a qualitative core and we have a quantitative core,
53:42and I meet with them.
53:44I'm a stronger qualitative person,
53:47that doesn't mean I haven't done quantitative analyses,
53:49but our quantitative statistician is Dr. Tom Berry,
53:54he's at BU,
53:56also our head economist Dr. Laura Saban is at BU,
54:00and so we meet with them regularly
54:03to talk through the different issues.
54:04But Tom has the homeless opioid use
54:10incarceration perspective
54:12as well as incredible statistical knowledge.
54:16So it's a great partnership.
54:20(indistinct)
54:22<v Donna>And so maybe we have to end,</v>
54:23but I can say that Rani has provided her email address
54:26as you can see here
54:27so I'm sure you'll welcome further comments and questions.
54:31<v ->Yes, absolutely, I'd be very happy to.</v>
54:34<v ->Thank you so much.</v> <v ->Thank you.</v>
54:36Thanks, everyone.
54:37I really appreciate it, great to see you all.