Yale Psychiatry Grand Rounds: March 12, 2021
March 12, 2021"Crossing the Quality Chasm in Psychiatry: Quality Improvement Projects Across Multiple Health Systems."
Michael Sernyak, Jr., MD, Professor of Psychiatry, Deputy Chair for Clinical Affairs and Program Development, Yale Department of Psychiatry, Yale School of Medicine; CEO, Connecticut Mental Health Center
Luming Li, MD, Assistant Professor of Psychiatry, Yale School of Medicine; Associate Medical Director of Quality Improvement, Yale Psychiatric Hospital; Medical Director of Clinical Operations, Yale New Haven Health
Eric D. A. Hermes, MD, Associate Professor of Psychiatry, Yale School of Medicine and VA Connecticut Healthcare System
John Cahill, MD, PhD, Assistant Professor of Psychiatry, Yale School of Medicine; Medical Director, STEP Clinic and Acute Services Division, CMHC Chief of Behavioral Health, Continuum of Car, Inc.
Tobias Wasser, MD, Assistant Professor of Psychiatry, Yale School of Medicine; Associate Program Director, Yale Psychiatry Residency Program, Adult Psychiatry
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- 00:00Today's grand rounds is also
- 00:02really important, I mean.
- 00:06Uh. It's a reminder that at
- 00:09our heart it as a Department.
- 00:11We're committed to excellence
- 00:13in in the way in which we,
- 00:16we deliver care for people.
- 00:20Very good to excellent is not good enough
- 00:25that we can find in the work that we do.
- 00:30Opportunities to better serve the
- 00:33patients that we treat and their families.
- 00:36Anne Anne at the same time as we're
- 00:41learning about how to do better. We're also.
- 00:46Learning generalizable lessons about
- 00:47how, as a
- 00:49field we can do better
- 00:50to take care of patients,
- 00:52and so the commitment to quality is not
- 00:55just a commitment to local excellence,
- 00:58but a commitment to seeing that all
- 01:00psychiatric patients thrive to the extent
- 01:03possible when they come to us for help.
- 01:06So I'm really excited about this lecture.
- 01:08I'm really pleased to see
- 01:10the diversity of people who,
- 01:12insights and projects that that
- 01:14we'll talk about in terms of our
- 01:17commitment to excellence and.
- 01:18And thank the speakers for what
- 01:21I know will be a great session.
- 01:24So Michael Doctor Sarniak,
- 01:25I'll turn it over
- 01:27to you. Thank you
- 01:29very much. Doctor crystal.
- 01:31First, I want to thank everyone for
- 01:34attending today and I would thank them
- 01:36for giving me a reason to wear a coat
- 01:39and tie for the first time in a year.
- 01:42And so I got that going and appreciate
- 01:44it I'm the deputy chair for clinical
- 01:47Affairs and program development
- 01:49and the CEO at CMH. See today.
- 01:51I just have a distinct pleasure.
- 01:53I presenting the work of
- 01:55a four very thoughtful.
- 01:57I won't say junior junior to mid level
- 01:59faculty who are working throughout the
- 02:01Department on on quality issues and I
- 02:04think to echo what Doctor Crystal said.
- 02:06I think to put a four in in the grand
- 02:09rounds format of our tripartite mission.
- 02:13Of research,
- 02:13education and clinical care,
- 02:15and I think that those of us who are
- 02:17old enough to know that there have been
- 02:20times where there were case conferences
- 02:22and other things occurred in grand rounds.
- 02:25And so I would ask also as people
- 02:27listen to these wonderful presentations
- 02:29that they get to us also with ideas
- 02:32about how we can have that sense of
- 02:35community coming together to talk
- 02:37about the clinical care as we strive
- 02:40for excellence in that as we already have.
- 02:42I excellence education and research
- 02:44and many aspects of clinical care.
- 02:46But I think one of the enduring things you'll
- 02:48see today is that you can always improve,
- 02:51and that's a really important message and
- 02:53hopefully one of the ones that comes through.
- 02:56So I will give you a little bio about each of
- 03:00the presenters in the order that you'll hear.
- 03:03They'll go through their
- 03:05presentations or get to the end.
- 03:07I'll make a few comments and
- 03:09then really hope to open it up
- 03:12to a robust period of questions,
- 03:14answers, comments,
- 03:15and have that kind of discussion at the end.
- 03:19So I'd start with looming looming Lee,
- 03:21MD, who is an assistant professor,
- 03:24an IT department and also the medical
- 03:26Director of clinical operations.
- 03:28Yona Haven Health she serves as
- 03:30the Associate medical director
- 03:32for Quality Improvement at Yale,
- 03:34New Haven Psychiatric Hospital and
- 03:36her research interests are focused
- 03:38on quality improvement,
- 03:39psychiatric services, delivery,
- 03:41health systems,
- 03:41science and leadership education.
- 03:43Then that will be filed
- 03:45by Eric Ermes Erickson,
- 03:47associate professor in the Department of
- 03:50Psychiatry and outpatient psychiatrist,
- 03:51Health Services Research and chair
- 03:53of the mental Health Process
- 03:55Improvement Committee at the VA,
- 03:57Connecticut Health Care Center.
- 04:00And then John Cahill,
- 04:01Johns deputy medical director
- 04:03at CMH C and Chief of Behavioral
- 04:06Health at the Continuum of care.
- 04:08And then he wrote this.
- 04:10He identifies himself as a
- 04:12recovering e.g biomarker researcher.
- 04:14As well as a clinical administrator
- 04:16and educator,
- 04:17his primary interest is in developing
- 04:19models for embedding knowledge
- 04:21generation and translation into
- 04:22real world systems of clinical care.
- 04:24Forging links with basic and
- 04:26clinical research as well service
- 04:28users and other stakeholder groups,
- 04:30and then the last presentation
- 04:32will be Tobias,
- 04:33Wasser and Tobias is the Chief
- 04:35Medical Officer of Whiting
- 04:36Forensic Hospital and Associate
- 04:38Program director for the Psychiatry
- 04:40Residency program where he overseas
- 04:42the reflective practice curriculum.
- 04:44Focusing on the areas of systems
- 04:46based practice and problem
- 04:48based learning and improvement.
- 04:50I'm just a note before we started.
- 04:52I think you know the idea of quality
- 04:56definition that I would like people
- 04:58to think about as we go through the
- 05:00talks from the IOM and we can go
- 05:03into the details of each of these.
- 05:06I want to read it lengthy,
- 05:08but if you think in terms of safe,
- 05:11effective, patient, centered,
- 05:12timely, efficient and equitable,
- 05:13think those are all themes.
- 05:15Hopefully that will touch on and we can
- 05:17go into greater detail in the discussion.
- 05:21And then my absolute last comment
- 05:23before I let Doctor Lee start is to
- 05:26thank her for her work as being the
- 05:29energy behind this and bring this
- 05:32together in record time against other
- 05:35time consuming aspects of her life.
- 05:37And I really appreciate the energy
- 05:39that she's brought to this and
- 05:42I look forward to hearing hers
- 05:44and the other presentations.
- 05:46So Doctor Lee, if you would start.
- 05:50Thanks
- 05:50so much like I'm really delighted
- 05:52to be here and I'm looking forward
- 05:55to sharing a really exciting
- 05:57presentation about some of my work
- 05:59going on in quality and safety.
- 06:01And so we're going to be sharing about
- 06:03some of the work that's happening
- 06:06at the Yale New Haven Health site
- 06:08on around quality and safety.
- 06:10And you know what will really talk
- 06:12about today is the interplay of quality
- 06:15and safety within clinical care,
- 06:17and so I'm going to be sharing a project,
- 06:20but I wanted to start out with this.
- 06:24The scaffold,
- 06:25which is that quality and safety
- 06:27lies at the heart of clinical
- 06:29care and that there are a number
- 06:31of different components to it,
- 06:33including safety, event review,
- 06:35patient experience,
- 06:35quality assurance and core measures.
- 06:37Data informatics,
- 06:38clinical operations and measurement
- 06:40based care and clinical outcomes
- 06:42that all come together to really
- 06:44center around how we can deliver
- 06:45high quality care and safe care
- 06:47to the patients that we serve.
- 06:49And so Tord that, and at Yale. New Haven.
- 06:52We've done a number of different.
- 06:55Things to be able to move toward that,
- 06:58including having a series
- 06:59of educational conferences.
- 07:01We've also worked on a number of
- 07:03different committees to address
- 07:05quality and safety.
- 07:06We've developed a number of clinical
- 07:09dashboards and have a team here to
- 07:12really work on being able to showcase
- 07:15how data can help us track quality of care.
- 07:18Overtime lately,
- 07:19what we've been working on has been a
- 07:22focus on innovation and being able to.
- 07:25Incorporate aspects of equity
- 07:26in our quality and safety work,
- 07:29and being able to acquire data elements
- 07:32and really work on covid response and
- 07:34quality metrics over the last year or so.
- 07:37And so I wanted to showcase some of the
- 07:41broader work that we're doing at Yale,
- 07:43New Haven and then transition our talk.
- 07:46And I wanted to be brief here,
- 07:49but really mention that we're very
- 07:51focused on a number of different
- 07:53domains here at Yale, New Haven on.
- 07:56Specifically around how we
- 07:58do quality and safety,
- 08:00and so I'm going to transition now
- 08:02to talking about really exciting
- 08:04project that we're working on.
- 08:07So in this, you know,
- 08:09in this work around quality and safety
- 08:12we've wanted to work on reducing
- 08:14variations and variations can occur
- 08:16in a number of different ways,
- 08:19and clinical care delivery.
- 08:21And there's that aspect of care delivery
- 08:24that is really great and focus on.
- 08:27Patient center care that my
- 08:29talked about earlier,
- 08:30but there's also an aspect of being
- 08:32able to ensure consistent care
- 08:34and being able to provide evidence
- 08:37based care to patients and so with
- 08:39a care signature project that
- 08:41we've taken on this is a larger
- 08:43health system project within Yale,
- 08:45New Haven that we've also been able to
- 08:48work on in the psychiatry service line.
- 08:51We wanted to,
- 08:52you know,
- 08:53the core tenants of this project
- 08:55has been to ensure best.
- 08:57Practice on minimize variations
- 08:59that can occur,
- 09:00and when I mentioned about variation,
- 09:03I wanted to highlight the idea of
- 09:05unnecessary care variation and this
- 09:07can be ordering extra tests or delaying
- 09:10treatment on different processes.
- 09:12Aspects to care that we can try to
- 09:15streamline to be able to allow more
- 09:18efficient care and also allow for
- 09:20high quality care and might gave
- 09:23a definition from the Institute
- 09:25of Medicine earlier on in the.
- 09:28Beginning of the talk,
- 09:29but the idea is to really allow
- 09:32us to move toward evidence based
- 09:34treatment in a meaningful way.
- 09:36The other aspect to care signature that
- 09:38I wanted to emphasize as being able to
- 09:41improve health care access and quality.
- 09:44An idea there is being able to provide
- 09:46us a patient centered approach to access
- 09:48and ensure that there is equitable
- 09:51care processes and outcomes to do so.
- 09:54And so these are the core principles
- 09:56that we're working on within care.
- 09:58Signature an.
- 09:59I wanted to.
- 10:00Provide that scaffold before we talk
- 10:03about the projects themselves and
- 10:05exactly how we're setting this up,
- 10:07because conceptually being able to
- 10:09provide a consistent care signature or
- 10:12something that we want to strive toward
- 10:14as part of broader quality improvement work,
- 10:17and so the way that we've set
- 10:20up here signature is to have
- 10:23an overarching clinical body.
- 10:24The Care Signature Council and the
- 10:26idea is that this care Signature
- 10:29Council has service line leadership,
- 10:31including.
- 10:32John, as chair of the Department and
- 10:34Michael Holmes as the senior vice president.
- 10:36Frankfurt and Audio who I saw earlier
- 10:39on the on the screen grounds as
- 10:41well as the Council chair and then
- 10:43I work as the quality and safety
- 10:45lead and the care signature leave.
- 10:47The idea is that we bring together a
- 10:50group of people that have an interest in
- 10:53being able to advance this work in care,
- 10:55signature and also across our delivery
- 10:57network so that we can ensure consistent
- 10:59care to Bridgeport and Greenwich,
- 11:01Ann Lawrence and Memorial.
- 11:02I under her bed as well as other
- 11:06sites that we have in the ambulatory
- 11:08spaces and this governing Council
- 11:11allow works to select ideas for us
- 11:14to work on around places where there
- 11:16are increased areas of variation.
- 11:19So if we think that and so the first 2
- 11:22projects that this group has selected
- 11:25include working on acute mania
- 11:27and the treatment of acute mania,
- 11:30the second project is around.
- 11:33Behavioral symptoms of dementia and
- 11:35being able to develop a consistent
- 11:37set of care.
- 11:38And So what we found is that in
- 11:41clinical practice the starting
- 11:43dose of lithium could be variable
- 11:45across our providers.
- 11:47There might be variations in terms of
- 11:49who gets access to ECT and so creating
- 11:53guidelines for how we identify on
- 11:55the process for the treatment of
- 11:57mania was one of the things that
- 12:00the group wanted to focus on and so.
- 12:04Mature of that is Doctor Hummel ARD,
- 12:06and for the behavioral symptoms of
- 12:08dementia it's doctor Arti grouped up.
- 12:10And So what we do,
- 12:12after we've decided on these topics
- 12:14in the Care Signature
- 12:16Council, is to create these clinical
- 12:18consensus groups to be able to
- 12:20really work through the nitty gritty
- 12:22of the clinical care pathways.
- 12:24And so I'll talk a little
- 12:26bit more about that.
- 12:28So within the clinical consensus groups,
- 12:30the idea is that we bring together a
- 12:33multitude of clinical experts and also.
- 12:35Individuals with different backgrounds,
- 12:37including residents,
- 12:38as well as fits that are working
- 12:40in interventional psychiatry
- 12:42pharmacists to come together with,
- 12:44you know, come away with consensus.
- 12:46So the idea is that there might be
- 12:50variations and how we choose the
- 12:52starting dose of lithium and group
- 12:55can help us potentially be able to
- 12:58pull that together and identify
- 13:00what's the best starting dose and
- 13:02then the pathway for treatment.
- 13:05And similarly with the behavioral
- 13:07symptoms of dementia.
- 13:08One of the things that we noticed
- 13:11was there was variation in how
- 13:14we treat agitation,
- 13:15and so the group has identified well.
- 13:18What's the best treatment for agitation?
- 13:20The starting dose for?
- 13:23In the treatment selection
- 13:25for an agitated patient,
- 13:26so the group is working toward being
- 13:29able to identify those treatments
- 13:30so that if you were in Bridgeport
- 13:33or you're in your New Haven that
- 13:35we're recommending the same starting
- 13:37medication based on evidence that we
- 13:39gather from the field and from prior studies,
- 13:42and so the way that we are able
- 13:44to do this is that with these
- 13:47clinical consensus groups,
- 13:49what we do is we have what's called
- 13:51a pathway kickoff and the idea is.
- 13:54To identify well what are we working on?
- 13:57Who are the patients that we
- 13:59want to work to help an address
- 14:02a particular treatment topic?
- 14:04Ensure that there is
- 14:05stakeholder representation.
- 14:06We then go through the
- 14:08literature an review well.
- 14:10What are we trying to treat?
- 14:12What's recommended based on
- 14:13literature that we review,
- 14:15we determine pathways and
- 14:17goals for the metrics.
- 14:18Following that,
- 14:19we start to drop draft different
- 14:21kinds of you know what the
- 14:24treatment algorithm can look like.
- 14:26I'm mapping the discrete steps
- 14:28and identifying areas of gas and
- 14:30also process gaps that can occur
- 14:33and then what we do afterwards is
- 14:35if we do identify some consensus
- 14:38gaps or variations in care that
- 14:40are common in clinical practice,
- 14:42we're able to build consensus
- 14:44statements and work through,
- 14:46you know,
- 14:46the the group to be able to drive
- 14:49toward agreement and the idea is to
- 14:52be able to provide short statements
- 14:54that are action oriented with.
- 14:57Recommendations the rationale
- 14:59for why we're recommending those
- 15:01treatments and then also provide
- 15:04references toward the literature
- 15:06that supports those recommendations?
- 15:08One idea is that once we have
- 15:10all of the consensus statements
- 15:12as well as the steps,
- 15:14what we can do is translate this
- 15:16into a clinical care pathway,
- 15:18and the idea is that this is going
- 15:20to be embedded in the electronic
- 15:22medical record so that an individual
- 15:24that wants to look through.
- 15:26How do we treat acute mania or
- 15:28acute agitation and behavioral
- 15:29symptoms of dementia?
- 15:30They can go look it up and be able to
- 15:33get those recommendations right there
- 15:35when they are on at the point of.
- 15:39Of clinical practice and what's
- 15:41really nice is that there is
- 15:43many iterative steps to this,
- 15:44and this really focuses on the quality
- 15:47improvement opportunities where we get
- 15:49a group of people who are experts.
- 15:51And then we also then have many people
- 15:53look at the pathway before it goes
- 15:56live and we have representation from
- 15:58different stakeholders around the utility.
- 16:00And then we're able to publish this
- 16:03and use this in clinical practice.
- 16:05So what I'll do is share a demo
- 16:08of what this might look like.
- 16:10An on in real life this is going
- 16:12to be in the test environment,
- 16:14so there's no patient data,
- 16:16but I'm going to share a video
- 16:18of how how this might work out.
- 16:20Once we launched us in in the
- 16:23electronic medical records.
- 16:28Her signature pathways are embedded directly
- 16:30in the epic electronic medical record.
- 16:33When fully built and integrated into epic
- 16:36of provider can directly click on the
- 16:39Pathways tab and access relevant pathways.
- 16:42Today, the inpatient psychiatry
- 16:44pathway for acute mania will be
- 16:46demonstrated in the testing environment.
- 16:49A similar look and feel will be
- 16:52used once the pathway is fully
- 16:55built and available in epic.
- 16:58Hyperlinks will take you to
- 17:00additional resources if needed.
- 17:02In addition, you're able to see important
- 17:06information relevant to the pathway,
- 17:09including consensus statements as well
- 17:12as patient information in the helpful
- 17:15resources tab on the left order.
- 17:18Sets order panels orders can be
- 17:21launched directly from the pathway.
- 17:25The orders can be selected individually or
- 17:28grouped together by clicking this icon.
- 17:31All orders in the pathway or pre
- 17:34populated with options and indications
- 17:37appropriate for the condition.
- 17:39For example,
- 17:40instead of having to populate distinct
- 17:44medication information for ordering
- 17:46with young medication fields will
- 17:48be pre populated with the correct
- 17:51starting dose frequency and indication
- 17:53for a patient with acute mania.
- 17:56Thus,
- 17:57saving the clinician time and clicks
- 17:59the first decision point in this
- 18:02pathway is assessing whether or not
- 18:05a patient is acutely agitated and
- 18:07in need for immediate treatment.
- 18:10The next decision point is assessing
- 18:12whether or not the patient is pregnant
- 18:16as the treatment recommendations
- 18:18for those who are pregnant do.
- 18:20The are different than those who
- 18:23are not due to the risk for fetal
- 18:26malformations with some mood stabilizers
- 18:29and other key decision point in
- 18:32this pathway include the initial
- 18:34starting treatment for acute mania.
- 18:36The consensus group determines
- 18:38specific criteria as well as
- 18:40medication recommendations.
- 18:42For treatment of both the acute
- 18:44mania as well As for insomnia.
- 18:48In addition,
- 18:49the pathway also includes information
- 18:52about discontinuing ineffective
- 18:55psychotropics as well as links that
- 18:57allow you to look at treatment scales
- 19:00such as the Young Mania Rating scale.
- 19:04To assess for patient clinical improvement.
- 19:07In addition,
- 19:09the pathway allows you to identify whether
- 19:12or not easy T and the interventional
- 19:15psychiatry service should be consulted,
- 19:19as well as criteria for discharge
- 19:22and considerations with regard
- 19:25to medication transitions.
- 19:30So I just wanted to do a brief demo so
- 19:33that you can see what we're talking about
- 19:36with regard to how this can all pull
- 19:39together with the clinical care pathways.
- 19:41So with that I know we're going
- 19:43to have some other speakers,
- 19:45but I look forward to being able to talk
- 19:48more about the pathways and if you have
- 19:50any questions related to this project,
- 19:53we have many, many projects that we've
- 19:55taken on and quality improvement,
- 19:57but it highlights one network.
- 19:59Really excited about implants.
- 20:00Dear for many other conditions as well,
- 20:03we just started with two and
- 20:04will look forward to hearing
- 20:06your feedback and thoughts.
- 20:08So what I'll do is I'll pass it
- 20:10off to my colleague Doctor Hermes.
- 20:15Great hey thanks Doctor Lee,
- 20:17let me share my screen here.
- 20:21So good morning everyone.
- 20:25Great, so I'm talking today to you as
- 20:27the chair of the V8 Connecticut mental
- 20:30health Process Improvement Committee.
- 20:32And So what I'd like to do is take a
- 20:35few minutes first to describe kind
- 20:37of the breath of quality improvement
- 20:39that's going on at Villa Connecticut
- 20:42and then dive into a specific project
- 20:45we have that will hopefully be able to
- 20:48to bring from that some generalizable
- 20:50principles about quality improvement.
- 20:52Great so it started out.
- 20:54Basically there is a heck of a lot
- 20:56of quality improvement activity
- 20:57going on at BA Connecticut.
- 21:00I sent out an email earlier in the
- 21:02month asking providers to to get
- 21:04to be kind of with their projects
- 21:06and what's going on and as of today
- 21:09we're up to 31 projects so that's
- 21:11a lot and it's really represents a
- 21:13broad range anywhere from sort of
- 21:16impression projects to projects.
- 21:17Working on changing the culture of
- 21:19EA and this isn't this, isn't it?
- 21:22By any means at it, you know,
- 21:25for instance,
- 21:25we have three separate committees at
- 21:27at at the Connecticut looking to to
- 21:29work on racial disparity issues and
- 21:32implementing anti racist practices.
- 21:34So there's a lot of stuff going on,
- 21:36but one of the primary points I want
- 21:39to make is most of these projects
- 21:41are what I think of as bottom up
- 21:44quality improvement in what I mean
- 21:47by that is a provider at Villa
- 21:49Connecticut is identified a problem
- 21:51in care and is working to investigate
- 21:53that further or develop solutions
- 21:55or evaluating those solutions.
- 21:57And this can be contrasted to something I
- 21:59think of as top down quality improvement.
- 22:02And also I'll discuss sort of the
- 22:05differences here as we go on.
- 22:07Great,
- 22:08so that's bottom up quality improvement.
- 22:11But what we're talking about now is this.
- 22:14This idea of top down and what is
- 22:16that in the first thing we need to
- 22:18know is that VA is a nationwide
- 22:21integrated healthcare system.
- 22:23So VA has a central office in
- 22:25Washington and what they do produce
- 22:27policy and make budget decisions.
- 22:29But really,
- 22:29the responsibility for care and
- 22:31the oversight of care is at the
- 22:33regional and facility level.
- 22:34Much of the policy driven out of
- 22:37central office is trying to ensure
- 22:39the quality of care at all the 100.
- 22:4240 different facilities.
- 22:43One of the primary ways they do
- 22:46that is that they push out a host
- 22:48of metrics that are designed to
- 22:50track that quality in these metrics
- 22:53are essentially designed.
- 22:54They use data from our electronic
- 22:56medical record that is centrally
- 22:58processed and then scores on
- 23:00these metrics are pushed out to
- 23:02the 140 different VA facilities.
- 23:06Great. So one of these quality
- 23:09met quality metrics look like,
- 23:11so you may have heard the term hetas and he
- 23:14just stands for healthcare effectiveness,
- 23:17data and information set.
- 23:18And these are national metrics that
- 23:21can be used to compare the quality.
- 23:24Across different health
- 23:25care facilities in the US.
- 23:27Not just VA, but VA has added
- 23:30extensively to these metrics and
- 23:32calls them strategic analytics for
- 23:34improvement and learning or sale.
- 23:36And so one of the main takeaways of
- 23:39this talk should be if you're into
- 23:41really bad acronyms that you need to
- 23:44go into the quality improvement check
- 23:47because that's it's full of them.
- 23:49But sale metrics are the primary
- 23:52way that be a central office
- 23:54monitors the quality of care.
- 23:56And theoretically,
- 23:57these metrics represent central office policy
- 24:00priorities for VA over here on the left.
- 24:02This is not an eye chart,
- 24:05it's just, it's just a list
- 24:07of the mental health quality,
- 24:09metrics within sale,
- 24:10and there's about 30 of them.
- 24:14Great.
- 24:14But wait, there's more.
- 24:16There's way more Sovyet pushes out
- 24:18way more metrics, and there are
- 24:20hundreds of metrics you can see.
- 24:21Just some of them here.
- 24:23And this brings me to another point,
- 24:25I want to make, which is there is a major
- 24:28difference between quality monitoring.
- 24:30Yeah,
- 24:30with using these metrics and
- 24:32trying to improve care with these
- 24:34metrics and so you need a lot of
- 24:36data streams to monitor care,
- 24:38but to improve care,
- 24:40you really usually just focus
- 24:42on sort of a small part or a
- 24:45couple of metrics to improve.
- 24:47In individual aspect of care.
- 24:50Great, so how does VA Connecticut do on sale?
- 24:54This is called a target plotter.
- 24:56Radar plots in so within the sale metrics
- 24:59that are within the mental health sale
- 25:02metrics that there are three domains.
- 25:04I've got them highlighted in
- 25:06red here and from a cop quality
- 25:08monitoring standpoint via Connecticut
- 25:10does very well in these metrics,
- 25:13especially our access metrics.
- 25:15And to some extent our
- 25:16continuity of care measures.
- 25:18But of course there's
- 25:20always room for improvement.
- 25:22And for instance,
- 25:23within this a continuity of care
- 25:25domain over here on the left there
- 25:27are 16 separate metrics within that
- 25:30and it in looking at these metrics
- 25:32we have identified that two which
- 25:34evaluate antidepressant treatment
- 25:35longevity for patients with depression.
- 25:37The two of those metrics that do
- 25:39that are really kind of dragging down
- 25:42our continuity of care and sort of
- 25:44adding to our middling scores on that,
- 25:47and I want to talk you through what
- 25:50we've done to try to rectify that.
- 25:53Great,
- 25:53so this metrics I'm showing you
- 25:56here measures where their patients
- 25:58diagnosed with depression who are
- 26:00started on anti suppress antidepressant
- 26:02have that continued out to six
- 26:04months and so the background for
- 26:06this metric is based on a wealth
- 26:09of research research showing that
- 26:11antidepressant treatment for people
- 26:13depression should be continued for
- 26:15most patients out to six months
- 26:18in order to prevent relapse.
- 26:20So this figure is showing that
- 26:22on average over the
- 26:24last five years. Three years,
- 26:26about 53% of via Connecticut patients
- 26:28with depression have had their anti
- 26:30depressant continued out to six months,
- 26:32whereas the average for for VA is 63%.
- 26:35So on average we're running about
- 26:38a 10% deficit and so this brings
- 26:40me to one of the main points here,
- 26:43which is I'm pretty sure without
- 26:45this data from central office that
- 26:48compares us to other VA facilities,
- 26:50we really wouldn't be able to identify
- 26:52this issue as an individual system.
- 26:55And certainly it would be very
- 26:57difficult for an individual provider
- 26:59to identify this trend if they didn't
- 27:01have this type of comparative data,
- 27:03and so that's the first point.
- 27:05I want to make is that there's a
- 27:08difference between sort of top down
- 27:10and bottom up quality improvement.
- 27:12Top down quality improvement really
- 27:14relies on quality monitoring and that
- 27:16quality monitoring allows us to identify
- 27:18gaps we would not otherwise see,
- 27:20and so a second point I want to make
- 27:23here is that the second point about the.
- 27:26Top down quality improvement is the
- 27:28issue of buying and so getting buy
- 27:31in for an issue that is shown to you.
- 27:33Kind of from the outside or is
- 27:35not intrinsically developed.
- 27:36It's more difficult to get that buy in OK
- 27:38and so that that's kind of a main issue.
- 27:41I want to.
- 27:43I want to point out. Good.
- 27:46So, so we get the data.
- 27:48The data shows us a problem we
- 27:50get by and we decide to focus on
- 27:53it and it via Connecticut.
- 27:54What we did is formed a group to
- 27:56look at this problem specifically,
- 27:58we did three major things we dug into charts.
- 28:00We talked to providers and then
- 28:02we discussed this issue with VA
- 28:04Central office experts and from that
- 28:06we developed kind of this list of
- 28:08root causes and I've got the three
- 28:10primary root causes up here and
- 28:11I'll just run through them here.
- 28:13So first there's an extended
- 28:15interval between when medicated
- 28:16anti depressants were started.
- 28:17And then when we are able to
- 28:19follow up with patients on that,
- 28:22second thing is that we have frequently
- 28:24care transition care transitions and
- 28:26then a lot of people in those transitions
- 28:29end up sort of falling through.
- 28:31The cracks are dropping out of care.
- 28:33Thirdly,
- 28:34this problem seems to localize to
- 28:36really high workload and relatively
- 28:38low resource treatment locations
- 28:39within V8 Connecticut.
- 28:41OK,
- 28:41so now now for another issue related
- 28:43to a top down quality improvement
- 28:45we get heck of a lot of data.
- 28:47We have access to world experts,
- 28:49but this still the data is not
- 28:51the the answer.
- 28:52It's it's digging into the data
- 28:54and understanding how the data
- 28:55applies to your specific context,
- 28:57which is really important.
- 28:58Second thing I want to say is is
- 29:01in the end a root cause is really
- 29:03just a best guess so we can sort
- 29:05of look at all this data and
- 29:07come up with these root causes,
- 29:09but they're not smoking guns
- 29:10so we don't have any
- 29:12smoking gun. Proof that these three
- 29:14issues are really the whole story,
- 29:15and at some point we have to take it on
- 29:18faith and go with with with with what
- 29:20we with what our gut says is that the
- 29:23three main issues are. Good alright?
- 29:26So so after identifying root causes we
- 29:28said about coming up with solutions.
- 29:30We identified several different potential
- 29:32solutions and I'd map them out here
- 29:35on the X axis we have, you know,
- 29:37sort of the continuum of effectiveness,
- 29:39and then on the Y act access we have
- 29:41sort of a difficulty of implementing
- 29:44and as you can see,
- 29:45there's no free lunch and in this
- 29:47case there certainly isn't a free
- 29:49lunch in that the easy solutions
- 29:51probably aren't all that effective,
- 29:53and the effective solutions are
- 29:55probably hard to do or expensive.
- 29:57And this brings me to my last point,
- 29:59which is. Economics of solution making.
- 30:02Even though antidepressant treatment
- 30:03longevity is really important,
- 30:05we want all our patients who are
- 30:07diagnosed with depression on on
- 30:09adequate dose in for a length of time.
- 30:12We can't pour all our resources into
- 30:14solving this problem and so we need
- 30:17leaders that could make decisions
- 30:19and make priorities as to where
- 30:21we're going to focus our efforts.
- 30:23And So what we did as a group as we
- 30:27chose three of these solutions and so.
- 30:30There there are the three.
- 30:32OK,
- 30:32so we started with some general
- 30:34provider education in the short term,
- 30:36and then we're going to add some academic
- 30:38detailing visits by Angie Boggs,
- 30:40who is our clinical pharmacist
- 30:41in for a long term solution.
- 30:43We're going to work to get a care
- 30:45manager in place in these high workload
- 30:47areas to do some follow up Contacts.
- 30:50After antidepressants are start and so
- 30:52we just kind of started this process.
- 30:54So maybe in the future I can
- 30:56come back and tell you how we do.
- 30:59Good, so in conclusion,
- 31:01so conclusions are via Connecticut is
- 31:03a hotbed of Qi, primarily bottom up,
- 31:05which means it's driven by a bunch
- 31:07of caring providers who care about
- 31:09where they work and want to change the
- 31:11system in which in which they work.
- 31:13I told you about one specific project
- 31:16within that that is kind of more
- 31:18top down and their specific some
- 31:20specific issues with top down Qi.
- 31:22First is that by in it may be more
- 31:24difficult to get by in for top down Qi
- 31:27than it is for intrinsically developed.
- 31:30Identify problems next.
- 31:31We have a lot of data.
- 31:33We have a lot of resources but
- 31:35it still takes work to apply that
- 31:37to your specific problem and then
- 31:40when you look into your problem and
- 31:42you do root cause analysis,
- 31:44there's nothing magical about that.
- 31:46And in the end it might be just your
- 31:49best guess as as to what's going on.
- 31:51And finally,
- 31:52there's usually no silver bullet solution.
- 31:54It's more like a shotgun approach
- 31:56to solution making and you have
- 31:59to make decisions about.
- 32:00Where and how to allocate your
- 32:03resources, so I appreciate it.
- 32:06I'm over over to utilize.
- 32:27I think doctor Hermes emu you
- 32:29handed over to Doctor Var Server.
- 32:31I'm up next, so I might I might
- 32:33go unless you want to go to Paris.
- 32:36Sorry bout that. No
- 32:38no. It's all. It's all good.
- 32:39It's all good. Just
- 32:41checking fired up John. Don't
- 32:43go and government going alright
- 32:45here we go really nice to be here.
- 32:48Thanks everyone thanks
- 32:49Doctor Sonia conductor.
- 32:50Leave putting this together for.
- 32:51I'm going to talk a little bit
- 32:53about the unique UI challenges and
- 32:55opportunities we have at CMH C as
- 32:57a public academic partnership for
- 32:59Community Mental Health Center.
- 33:01And I'm going to go through the
- 33:03example this step and and outcomes
- 33:05oriented learning health system model,
- 33:07which we've been working on
- 33:08for a number of years now.
- 33:10For those that don't know,
- 33:12steps are first episode psychosis,
- 33:14clinical research service founded at CMAC.
- 33:16In 2006,
- 33:17by the notary who's mentored a lot of
- 33:19the work that you're gonna see here today,
- 33:22and there's our funders.
- 33:25OK, so I'm going to start with
- 33:28an excuse qis MHC can be really
- 33:30challenging and it's probably
- 33:32going to seem less polished than
- 33:35what you've seen so far today.
- 33:37And here's an example,
- 33:39so I want to take you through
- 33:42what I might have been doing this
- 33:45morning at CMAC if I wasn't here.
- 33:48Speaking with you all today.
- 33:50So here's everyday clinical care at CMH C.
- 33:53We have wits REHR widths,
- 33:55communicates with their enterprise.
- 33:57Data Warehouse generating reports
- 33:59for Demas who we work for.
- 34:01But then there's also a legacy database
- 34:03which generate sports reports for CMS
- 34:05and then and then the Joint Commission.
- 34:08Then we have a nice you know
- 34:10Microsoft Suite of resource is to
- 34:12keep everything ticking along.
- 34:14Sounds pretty reasonable.
- 34:15However,
- 34:16which is partially implemented by by Dima,
- 34:19so we still do have a parallel
- 34:21physical chart,
- 34:22so we're still interacting with that,
- 34:24and that obviously needs to
- 34:26be scanned to the database.
- 34:28Fine, we can put up with that.
- 34:30Unfortunately there are some
- 34:32other legacy databases that are
- 34:33available for certain services
- 34:35depending on what you're looking at.
- 34:36Some of our services go to deduct instead.
- 34:39OK,
- 34:39will fall back into the model and
- 34:42then shout out to Dan Shetler.
- 34:44Are a QA director.
- 34:44We want to we want to get some good
- 34:47visualizations to get some utilization data.
- 34:50So we want to pull in tapped into Tableau.
- 34:52But this is what the data flow looks like in.
- 34:56In order to get some good
- 34:58visualizations going.
- 34:59But then Tableau helps
- 35:00you with visualizations.
- 35:01That doesn't help you with data capture,
- 35:04so Luckily enough,
- 35:05I work in a research clinical research
- 35:07clinic that has red cap implimented.
- 35:09So we've got some good data
- 35:11capture resource is there and
- 35:13it can generate reports for the
- 35:15funders so that that went OK.
- 35:17But way to colleagues about
- 35:19to send you an email.
- 35:21Unfortunately they send that email to your
- 35:23Yale outlook instead of your demas outlook,
- 35:26which is a completely separate login.
- 35:28So you have to toggle across.
- 35:30Uh,
- 35:31give
- 35:31me Doctor Cahill. Sorry to interrupt,
- 35:33can you put this in Presenter View?
- 35:36Yeah I can. I can.
- 35:40Perfect thank you.
- 35:42Thanks, Trisha. So we have to.
- 35:44We have to toggle across but OK,
- 35:46forget about it.
- 35:47Let's go on a video conference instead.
- 35:50So we jump on Yell Zoom,
- 35:52but during the course of our conversations
- 35:55we start talking bout a CMAC patients.
- 35:57So policy Demas from Dima says
- 35:59we need to jump onto DEMAS teams
- 36:01instead which currently freezes.
- 36:03Then we need to download a blank
- 36:06admission template for the client
- 36:07that's on the DEMAS Intranet.
- 36:09Unfortunately we don't have remote desktop.
- 36:12Access for the Internet,
- 36:13but Luckily there's a copy
- 36:15on your box I'm moving.
- 36:17I'm moving faster here if we want
- 36:19to communicate Phi on that template
- 36:22we have to use Zix secure email.
- 36:24I want to sign a nursing
- 36:26order for this client,
- 36:28so I see whether there with Laura
- 36:30Home Care that has an online portal
- 36:33for signing the Care orders.
- 36:35Unfortunately,
- 36:35this client is one of is with one of the
- 36:3916 other agencies that we work with,
- 36:41so we have to use fax for that next job.
- 36:45I need to look at some lab work so we
- 36:48look at Hartford Healthcare for lab work
- 36:51either on the portal or via via fax.
- 36:54Unfortunately,
- 36:54there's no lab works there.
- 36:56It seems that the clients opted to
- 36:58use quest in the community instead,
- 37:00so we log on to Quantum instead
- 37:02to look at that next job,
- 37:04put in medication refill.
- 37:05So we put that into RX NT.
- 37:08But we need to print off the
- 37:10orders into the chart.
- 37:11It looks like we're prescribing clause Appin,
- 37:13but also Ativan, so I also log into
- 37:17the closet in REM system CTP&P.
- 37:19Oh no, the patients in the ER,
- 37:22but Luckily we have read only
- 37:24access to young Haven Epic,
- 37:26so we can log in there.
- 37:28So that's a fair summary I
- 37:30think and hope to send you.
- 37:32Correct me if I'm wrong of our currency.
- 37:35MHC information ecology.
- 37:38So I hope that's all clear to everyone.
- 37:43So as you can see,
- 37:44it's hard to do conventional Qi at CMAC.
- 37:47Nevertheless, we have a lot of strength here,
- 37:49and I want to highlight here,
- 37:51and I'm not going to go through
- 37:53each of these for brevity.
- 37:55There's a few highlights here that's
- 37:57stood out to me over the years,
- 37:59either because I've had the pleasure of
- 38:01being involved with some of these efforts,
- 38:03working with some of these individuals,
- 38:05or they've really spoken to really salient
- 38:07narratives that that's around them.
- 38:08I mean, you have you have quite
- 38:11structured Qi processes here.
- 38:12For for the Joint Commission,
- 38:13but you also have things like.
- 38:16We have a cross country ski
- 38:18team for our snow preparedness,
- 38:20forgetting forgetting physicians on site.
- 38:23I also want to shout out to Will Rutland,
- 38:27so as a PG three he notice to a
- 38:29real gap in in bridging meds between
- 38:32the only Haven hospital system in
- 38:34our CMAC pharmacy and as you know,
- 38:37as a resident can,
- 38:38he bridged the two systems of
- 38:40care and put in place an epic best
- 38:43practices advisory for CMAC Pharmacy,
- 38:45which which has been has been
- 38:47triggered 31 times since its inception,
- 38:49but I'll let you peruse the
- 38:52other examples here.
- 38:54But as you can see,
- 38:55it takes a village and I could certainly
- 38:57be critiqued here that some of these
- 38:59examples stressed stretched the
- 39:00definition of Qi initiatives a bit.
- 39:02But what they do is capture the
- 39:04spirit of CMH.
- 39:05See, we all mark in,
- 39:06and we strive for excellence in
- 39:09our in our mission.
- 39:11So we've established informatics
- 39:12is a challenge for us,
- 39:13but we are mission driven and our strength,
- 39:16so we have a community rich and dedicated,
- 39:18caring, smart,
- 39:19creative and motivated individuals
- 39:20and we have an access to an array
- 39:23of resources and expertise as
- 39:24well as community partners,
- 39:25some of whom are also presenting here
- 39:28today who are willing to help us out.
- 39:32So traditional Qi is hard to do.
- 39:34It's MHC.
- 39:35We've seen some encouraging narratives today,
- 39:37but how do we know,
- 39:39objectively that we are doing a good job?
- 39:43So what other models of Qi are available
- 39:46that could help us so one model could
- 39:49be seeding or joining and outcomes oriented,
- 39:52learning health system,
- 39:53and I've thrown up a couple
- 39:55of definitions of of that.
- 39:57Their outcomes oriented learning
- 39:58health system would focus on core.
- 40:00Or outcomes.
- 40:02Not processes of care,
- 40:04so it allows.
- 40:06The reality of of a community mental
- 40:09Health Center to do what it does best
- 40:12was keeping an eye on what we agree.
- 40:16We need to be doing.
- 40:17Ultimately for the population
- 40:19with serving the core outcome,
- 40:21shipset should be derived from and
- 40:23continuously reviewed from multi stake
- 40:25in multi stakeholder input to ensure
- 40:27it remains meaningful for the population.
- 40:29Were trying to serve and the
- 40:32Institute of Medicine guides us here.
- 40:34They they talk about an
- 40:36LHS thriving when science.
- 40:37Infomatics incentives and culture
- 40:39aligned for continuous improvement.
- 40:40And so I just wanted to expand on that a
- 40:44little bit. So this is how we've been
- 40:47thinking about it at step as sort of
- 40:49four pillars of a model learning health
- 40:52system for continuous quality improvement.
- 40:54So science rigorous methodology.
- 40:55Essentially you want to
- 40:57get your measures rights,
- 40:58but you want to capture the value of
- 41:00qualitative as well as quantitative data.
- 41:03You want to Orient around a core dynamic
- 41:05set of multi stakeholder derived outcomes.
- 41:07As I've mentioned,
- 41:08I've put the next one in brackets
- 41:10because this is something that
- 41:12we're sort of adding to this
- 41:14definition as a future direction,
- 41:16but integration.
- 41:17To support multi directional
- 41:19knowledge generation and translation,
- 41:21can we plug learning health systems
- 41:23into basic science research
- 41:25and therapeutics development?
- 41:27Next informatics we really want to
- 41:29minimize the burden to operators.
- 41:31As you can see from our sort
- 41:34of data data flow ecology,
- 41:36we want to try to minimize as much as
- 41:38possible parallel entry into systems and
- 41:41try to create opportunities for passive
- 41:43and opportunistic data collection.
- 41:45We want to securely and ethically support
- 41:48interoperability and integration of
- 41:49applications and multiple databases,
- 41:51and we want to be agile,
- 41:53user centered and collaborative
- 41:55in our design and development
- 41:57of mathematics systems.
- 41:58And one idea would be embedding embedding
- 42:02dashboards into everyday clinical workflow.
- 42:04In terms of building incentives
- 42:06and Doctor Hermes spoke a little
- 42:09bit to this today at the VA,
- 42:11we want to protest the buy
- 42:13in of our operators,
- 42:14not just the managers.
- 42:15So we want to empower the user to reflect,
- 42:19learn,
- 42:19and improve while we're working
- 42:21around these these measures,
- 42:22we want to offer support and the
- 42:24tools to solve those problems,
- 42:26and we want to value autonomy and
- 42:29individualism wherever possible.
- 42:30Whilst we are benchmark working
- 42:32outcomes and trying to to ensure.
- 42:35Ensure consistent quality across our
- 42:37systems of care and Lastly culture.
- 42:39I always enjoy being reminded of this.
- 42:42Quote Culture eats strategy for breakfast.
- 42:45You know,
- 42:45we wanted to develop a culture of inclusion,
- 42:49responsiveness,
- 42:49respect and humility around Qi.
- 42:51We want to form a nonpunitive supportive
- 42:55community for continuous learning of all.
- 42:57And we want to engender hope for
- 43:00improvement and elevates successes.
- 43:02And that's really at the core
- 43:04of a learning health system.
- 43:06It really wants to foster these
- 43:08water cooler conversations that
- 43:10generate creativity and then
- 43:12support rapid cycles of innovation.
- 43:16So I want to elevate.
- 43:19That the work of the nursery and
- 43:21Laura Levine Sykes at step they've
- 43:24recently launched the Connecticut early
- 43:26Psychosis Learning Health Network,
- 43:28which is is seeking really to extend
- 43:31steps impacts statewide through
- 43:33a local learning health system.
- 43:35You can see from this slide and
- 43:38I won't go through all of it.
- 43:41This is this is Doctor Sykes slide.
- 43:44There's a real emphasis on supporting
- 43:47with education and training.
- 43:49If you want to learn more, there's a.
- 43:51There's a link at the bottom there,
- 43:53and I encourage you water to
- 43:55check out the website,
- 43:56but this is what's happening locally in
- 43:58Connecticut from from step extending
- 44:00into this learning health system model,
- 44:02and also want to acknowledge the funders
- 44:04there in the bottom right corner.
- 44:08So a busy slide. I apologize,
- 44:10but we realized that we wanted to
- 44:12in order to develop and outcomes
- 44:15oriented learning health system model.
- 44:17In this day and age we need to
- 44:20support it with a digital media.
- 44:22So what does that mean?
- 44:24It means having an application,
- 44:26a data system,
- 44:27a database that facilitates the
- 44:28integration of multiple data sources
- 44:30and create sort of reflective space.
- 44:33For diffuse providers,
- 44:34diffuse clinics to sit and reflect
- 44:36and come up with these ideas.
- 44:38So we applied for some funding to build.
- 44:41A prototype for this and it's it's
- 44:44gone through a few iterations.
- 44:46As you can see over over the
- 44:48years we were asked to present
- 44:50this prototype by Bob Hines,
- 44:52Senator Preparatory Meeting for a
- 44:54series of NIMHRA phase for the for
- 44:57what's now called the Eppinette
- 44:59project that's now started rolling.
- 45:01So that stands for early
- 45:03Psychosis intervention network,
- 45:04so that is essentially modeled as a
- 45:06nationwide learning health system,
- 45:08specifically for the first episode,
- 45:10psychosis services and steps.
- 45:12Part of that.
- 45:13So the group is currently funded
- 45:16to implement our learning health
- 45:18system model in two of the
- 45:21eight national eppinette hubs.
- 45:23So I just wanted to last couple of slides.
- 45:27This is what happen.
- 45:29It looks like nationally,
- 45:31there's eight regional hubs.
- 45:33There's 101 early psychosis clinics
- 45:35across 17 States and then there's
- 45:38the eppinette data coordinating
- 45:40center and their harmonized accord.
- 45:42Outcomes set which is starting to be
- 45:45collected across across the network.
- 45:47So this is one of the hubs that were
- 45:50involved with the eyes of John Cain
- 45:52and Double Robinson at Northwell.
- 45:54It's called yeah Streeter network.
- 45:56There are 12 clinics,
- 45:58one of which is step right there
- 46:01looking out the back of that cluster.
- 46:04And then the second network
- 46:06is called AC Eppinette,
- 46:07so it's six larger academic sites.
- 46:10The PII is Alumbrera at Indiana,
- 46:12and we have the pleasure of working
- 46:15with this network too. So last slide.
- 46:20What could be the next steps?
- 46:23So can we possibly extend
- 46:25this LHS infrastructure?
- 46:26We restart,
- 46:27submerge in it and get it right
- 46:29to create new opportunities for
- 46:31knowledge generation and translation?
- 46:33And specifically can we extend
- 46:35it vertically upwards into really
- 46:37capturing the knowledge that
- 46:39exists in our wider community?
- 46:41Wider stakeholders,
- 46:42people with lived experience
- 46:43lay knowledge that there exists.
- 46:45Can we also extend it vertically
- 46:47downwards to integrate into the basic
- 46:50clinical science collaborations by
- 46:52market development in therapeutics?
- 46:54And then.
- 46:54Extending in these other directions
- 46:57with can we scale up?
- 46:59Can we scale up through the open
- 47:01net network and then potentially
- 47:03could we generalize,
- 47:05generalize to other severe mental illness?
- 47:07And that's where I'll end and
- 47:10thank you and feel free to.
- 47:13To get in touch and long awaited
- 47:16Doctor Rosa over to you Sir.
- 47:19Thank you doctor Cahill.
- 47:25Alright um. So good morning everybody,
- 47:28so I'm going to be talking about
- 47:30the residency curriculum and
- 47:32the transformation we've made
- 47:33around the quality improvement
- 47:35in patient safety curriculum for
- 47:37residents over the past few years.
- 47:39Really, the when this started
- 47:41five or six years ago,
- 47:42the focus on quality improvement
- 47:44in patient safety in the curriculum
- 47:45is mostly reserved for the Pgy
- 47:47four year sort of after people
- 47:49had gone through basic clinical
- 47:51and other kinds of education,
- 47:52the idea was to help them
- 47:54optimize the way that they thought
- 47:56about the clinical practice,
- 47:57and I think based on some feedback that
- 47:59we got in some AC GME survey results,
- 48:02I'm going to share there was a
- 48:03significant effort and energy
- 48:05thord revitalizing the curriculum.
- 48:06I'm going to talk about that
- 48:08and show some of the work.
- 48:10Product from that effort.
- 48:11Over the past few years.
- 48:17So in 2015 every year,
- 48:19the AC Jimmy doesn't annual site survey,
- 48:21both residents and faculty,
- 48:22and it shows 15 the scores of the residency
- 48:25in these particular areas were not up to
- 48:27the standards that we were hoping for.
- 48:30So every year they ask questions about
- 48:32whether residents participate in quality
- 48:33improvement and patient safety activities.
- 48:35And as you can see here,
- 48:37the score here was 67% of
- 48:39residents indicated that they did,
- 48:40which was below the National Service
- 48:42or the national average at the time,
- 48:44another area is around. Resident.
- 48:47But their practice habits.
- 48:48Now this is different or distinct from
- 48:51receiving feedback and supervision.
- 48:52I think our residency program does
- 48:54a great job of providing residents
- 48:56with supervision opportunities,
- 48:57but this is really looking
- 48:59at more hard objective data,
- 49:00sort of quantifiable metrics that
- 49:02residents could look at and only 1/3
- 49:04of residents at the time reported that
- 49:06they were receiving that which was
- 49:09significantly below the national average.
- 49:15The residency program director,
- 49:16along with the GC, convened a
- 49:18task force to look at the Quality
- 49:21Improvement education across the.
- 49:26His work in step at the time he
- 49:28was one of the associate Program
- 49:30Director's and he was responsible.
- 49:33The systems based practices and problem
- 49:35based learning and improvement elements
- 49:37of the curriculum that I now oversee,
- 49:39and so he put together a group that had
- 49:41broad multisite representation and also
- 49:43had resident representation as well.
- 49:55Here in residency with a stepwise progression
- 49:58it for more senior residents to try.
- 50:00I'm sure residents were acknowledging
- 50:02this participation in the survey to give
- 50:04us credit for the work we were doing.
- 50:06To increase the routine practice habit,
- 50:08data feedback through implementing
- 50:10an EMR driven mechanism for providing
- 50:12residents data about their work.
- 50:14So I'll talk a little bit about
- 50:17some examples of how we did that.
- 50:19And then to it we can enhance the
- 50:22Experiential Qi activities for the
- 50:25residents at the clinical sites.
- 50:27So this is what the curriculum
- 50:29looks like now.
- 50:30So again, as I said before,
- 50:32is primarily located in the Pgy
- 50:33four year several years ago.
- 50:35Now we really do have this stepwise
- 50:37progression through the residency,
- 50:38so in residents pgy one year
- 50:40we just start to talk about
- 50:41quality improvement as a concept.
- 50:43We introduce them.
- 50:44The idea that they work in a system
- 50:46and that as interns they are one
- 50:48cog in a large complicated machine
- 50:50that's coming to lead to health
- 50:52care outcomes for their patients.
- 50:54We introduce the idea that
- 50:55there if there's an error.
- 50:57Even though we want to attribute
- 50:58it to individuals,
- 50:59usually it's a systems error,
- 51:00not just an individual error,
- 51:02and get them thinking about those ideas.
- 51:05In the Pgy two year we start to introduce
- 51:07them to the basics of quality improvement.
- 51:10Things like a plan,
- 51:11do study, act cycle.
- 51:13That's the PDS acronym.
- 51:14We give them some tools to use and some
- 51:17introduction to quality science and also
- 51:19talk about Barry barriers in quality
- 51:21improvement and how to avoid them.
- 51:24In the Pgy three year we start to
- 51:25help them apply quality improvement
- 51:27ideas to their clinical work.
- 51:29How to think about actually
- 51:30running a Qi project?
- 51:31How do we measure quality and just this year,
- 51:34Doctor Lee through her great
- 51:35leadership was able to actually
- 51:37secure a grant that allowed our
- 51:38residents and participate in a
- 51:40quality improvement simulation lab,
- 51:41which was a really unique opportunity.
- 51:43And then in the Pgy,
- 51:44four year for residents for all residents,
- 51:46we think about how to apply Qi and
- 51:48quality science to their clinical
- 51:49medicine and for those who are really
- 51:51interested in some specialization,
- 51:53we do have some Chief of Qi positions both.
- 51:56The VA in it.
- 51:57Yellow Haven hospital.
- 52:01The next big undertaking for us was
- 52:03thinking about how we were going
- 52:05to give residents this practice.
- 52:07Performance feedback.
- 52:08So for anyone who went through
- 52:10the residency before with this
- 52:12transformation that I'm describing
- 52:13may remember that in the past,
- 52:15what was expected of residents is that
- 52:17at the end of their pgy three year
- 52:20they were going to gather up a random
- 52:22sampling of their clinical charts.
- 52:24They were going to identify some
- 52:26national metric like metabolic monitoring
- 52:28for patients on anti psychotics.
- 52:30And they were going to be expected to.
- 52:32Randomly audit ten of their charts.
- 52:34See how close they were to that metric and
- 52:37then in the beginning of their pgy four year,
- 52:39bring the data back to their
- 52:41peers and presented the class.
- 52:43What we often found is that residents
- 52:45ability to do this was limited.
- 52:47Sometimes they would switch clinical sites
- 52:48from the Pgy three to the Pgy four year,
- 52:50and so they no longer had access
- 52:52to the charts if they didn't think
- 52:54to do this proactively,
- 52:55they got preoccupied and it was
- 52:56just a really onerous experience for
- 52:58the resident was a lot of effort.
- 53:00They had to expend to do this work.
- 53:02I think we identified in this work group
- 53:04that you know in the data age we now live in,
- 53:07that there are ways that we should
- 53:08be able to do a lot of this work
- 53:11for the residents and provide them
- 53:12the data so that they can then.
- 53:14How do I change my practice
- 53:17in response to this data so?
- 53:19We looked at all the clinical sites to see
- 53:22what was the one centralizing force there.
- 53:24'cause again the residents are
- 53:26rotating at all different sites,
- 53:28doing different rotations and what we
- 53:30realize is essentially all residents
- 53:31at some point during their residency
- 53:33are going to interact with the Yellow
- 53:36Haven hospital system and usually
- 53:37it through some on call experience.
- 53:39So obviously a lot of our residents also
- 53:42rotate their an inpatient experiences
- 53:43and so we can use the epic EMR as
- 53:46a way of designing a mechanism for
- 53:49providing them quantifiable objective.
- 53:50Eat up about something and the
- 53:52place we decided to start was around
- 53:54their prescribing practices.
- 53:54We thought again that was something really
- 53:57centralized to what the work that they do.
- 53:59Recognizing that a pgy one is going
- 54:00to have a lot less autonomy than a pgy
- 54:03two or a pgy three or a pgy 4 about
- 54:06the prescribing that they're doing.
- 54:07But still,
- 54:08it's a reflection of the practice and
- 54:11the work they're doing in the residency.
- 54:14So I'm going to show you here some examples.
- 54:16So this was our first iteration of a
- 54:19prescriber profile and this is for an
- 54:21individual resident and essentially
- 54:23what we do is every resident gets
- 54:25generated their own individual
- 54:26prescriber profile that's shared
- 54:28with them privately so that their
- 54:30peers don't necessarily see that
- 54:31what they're doing.
- 54:32But then we also share with
- 54:34the whole class cumulative
- 54:36data about the prescribing practices
- 54:37of all the residents in their peer
- 54:40group so that they can see and compare
- 54:42where they stand amongst their peers.
- 54:45So that as they advance through the
- 54:46residency, they can try to be more
- 54:48thoughtful and reflective of their own work,
- 54:50and if they see that as a pgy two,
- 54:52they realize they they've
- 54:53really prescribe clozapine,
- 54:54much less than their peers,
- 54:56maybe as a TTY,
- 54:57three in their outpatient setting.
- 54:58That's something they want to think about
- 55:00when the opportunity presents itself.
- 55:02And what we found is that this prescriber
- 55:05profile practice has actually been
- 55:06a Qi project within a Qi project.
- 55:08And I'll show you as every year
- 55:10that we've done this,
- 55:12we've gotten feedback from the residents
- 55:14about additional medications to
- 55:15include other factors to think about
- 55:17in different ways to present the data.
- 55:19So here I'll show.
- 55:20This was our second year in which
- 55:22we not only looked at the the
- 55:25medications they were given,
- 55:26but we started to look at their diagnosis
- 55:28of the patients who received the medications.
- 55:31So you'll see the colors are different
- 55:33and at the bottom the legend shows
- 55:35anxiety disorders,
- 55:36psychosis, etc.
- 55:36So they can think about not only
- 55:38the locations where they were
- 55:40prescribing the medications,
- 55:41but for what primary indications.
- 55:44We then became even more complicated as we
- 55:46started to add more and more medications,
- 55:48and so the formatting of this went
- 55:50from being a vertical to horizontal
- 55:52as it was hard to capture the
- 55:54data in any other way.
- 55:57They then got even more complicated as we
- 56:00continue to add more factors to think about.
- 56:03And then a couple of years ago,
- 56:05residents started suggests that
- 56:06really we ought to be thinking about
- 56:08socio demographic factors as well,
- 56:09and so we added race and ethnicity is
- 56:12another factor to think about in our
- 56:14prescribing practices as well as age.
- 56:15So you'll see here, the different
- 56:17columns represent different races,
- 56:18and then the color coding is based
- 56:20on the age of those for whom
- 56:22the medications were prescribed.
- 56:27We also started to add in PRN so
- 56:29the previous things I showed were
- 56:30just about standing medication.
- 56:32So we started to allow residents
- 56:34to look at the PRN medications
- 56:36that were prescribing and also
- 56:37whether they were prescribed in an
- 56:40oral format versus an IAM format.
- 56:42So you know from the residence.
- 56:43As I said, we've gotten a lot of
- 56:45feedback that this has been very useful,
- 56:47and it's been helpful,
- 56:48and it's provide a space for
- 56:49some discussions of their on
- 56:51call experiences where a lot of
- 56:52this work is taking place.
- 56:54And as I said,
- 56:54we really tried to modify these every
- 56:56year based on the feedback we get.
- 57:00So you can see that as a result of this work,
- 57:03we have steadily improved,
- 57:05were not yet on our goal, but we have
- 57:07improved significantly in some ways.
- 57:09So as far as participation in Qi
- 57:11and patient safety activities,
- 57:12we've gone up from 67% to 77%.
- 57:14Consistently.
- 57:14We're still not quite at the national
- 57:16average, but we're getting closer.
- 57:18And I think some of the reasons
- 57:20for that have to do with some of
- 57:22the challenges that John and others
- 57:24highlighted about involving resident
- 57:26just engaging in Qi activities
- 57:27in our cadre of clinical sites.
- 57:29But it's been really nice to
- 57:31see is that providing data about
- 57:32practice habits where we were so
- 57:34far below the national average.
- 57:36We're now actually exceeding the
- 57:37national average significantly,
- 57:38so I think these results reflect
- 57:40that residents really appreciate the
- 57:42efforts that have gone into this.
- 57:44This work has also led to some
- 57:46scholarship which has been really exciting.
- 57:49So two residents this year Ignacio Sardinian,
- 57:51Terrell Holloway, amongst many others,
- 57:53published a paper based on this
- 57:55data looking at racial ethnic
- 57:57differences in resident prescribing.
- 58:00In a couple of years ago,
- 58:01another outcome of this was a prior resident,
- 58:04Akhil Gupta developed yet
- 58:05another quality improvement data
- 58:07metric that we could utilize,
- 58:08which was looking at the disposition
- 58:10outcomes for patients who present to the CIU.
- 58:13So you'll see here,
- 58:14the blue represents patients who
- 58:15are recommended for admission.
- 58:17The purple patients who are recommended
- 58:19for observation and the green
- 58:20patients who are recommended for
- 58:22discharge and essentially the slight
- 58:24coloration differences within the blue,
- 58:26purple,
- 58:26and green are the differences between
- 58:28what the resident recommended versus
- 58:29what ultimately happened to the
- 58:31patient based on the attending decision.
- 58:33So again,
- 58:34we do a similar process where residents
- 58:35can see their individualized data,
- 58:37and then they can see where they
- 58:38stack up compared to their peers.
- 58:42We also look at this what we call
- 58:44treat and release data to see how what
- 58:46percentage of the patients they see that
- 58:48they choose to discharge are representing
- 58:50to the cious within seven days. And.
- 58:56That's been another really interesting
- 58:58way that we've been able to look at
- 59:01the the there practice in a real,
- 59:02objective, objective, quantifiable way.
- 59:05So I think that is all I have for today,
- 59:07so I will pass it back to Doctor Cerny Ack.
- 59:11Thank you, I want to leave enough time
- 59:14for questions and so now people will
- 59:16we have a few but people could add so
- 59:19I'm going to be as quick as possible
- 59:21and really decrease the comments.
- 59:23So just hot take on each one at
- 59:25first was extraordinary in and I
- 59:27think it speaks to heterogeneity
- 59:28and excellence in the Department.
- 59:31You know, you heard from the major
- 59:32sites and it just really extraordinary
- 59:34and very creative work being done.
- 59:37So here we go. In the case with Doctor Lee.
- 59:41One of the things that really
- 59:42impressed me in the mania consensus
- 59:44group was not only was it a team,
- 59:46but included resident.
- 59:47And so I think that's an extraordinary
- 59:50model about an issue that everybody faces,
- 59:53but also that really the team based
- 59:56work we always talk about that.
- 59:58But to see that, really.
- 01:00:00So much in place,
- 01:00:03including residents is just extraordinary.
- 01:00:06And with doctor Hermes.
- 01:00:09I guess what impressed me the most
- 01:00:11was taking that top down data and then
- 01:00:13like trying to figure out the details
- 01:00:15about how you get to the number you
- 01:00:17get to and how you can improve that.
- 01:00:19An having been in the position of that
- 01:00:22raining down on me on a daily basis,
- 01:00:24it's just really great to see that and
- 01:00:26it improves veterans health and so and
- 01:00:29I think the the by an issue of like
- 01:00:31why are we doing this is because it's
- 01:00:33been shown to be an effective thing.
- 01:00:35And here's how we can improve.
- 01:00:37That was just a great example.
- 01:00:38I'm John.
- 01:00:39I'll be answering calls from Demis
- 01:00:41later on today about the slides,
- 01:00:44and so I'll be sure to forward them to you,
- 01:00:47but I would say first of all
- 01:00:49it's a CMAC thing.
- 01:00:50We acknowledge realities of the
- 01:00:52situation and we work with it,
- 01:00:54and I think one of the things that
- 01:00:57came through in your presentation
- 01:00:58was that you know you work with what
- 01:01:01you've got an you can do work anywhere,
- 01:01:04and the excellence of CNBC.
- 01:01:05And I would say all of Demas
- 01:01:08in working in a challenging.
- 01:01:10Technological environment.
- 01:01:12And then I would say for Doctor
- 01:01:14Waters presentation two things.
- 01:01:16One is,
- 01:01:16I think it's wonderful when you
- 01:01:18have the infrastructure that
- 01:01:20and you can plug in questions.
- 01:01:22So age, race things like this,
- 01:01:24like the infrastructure exists and
- 01:01:25so now you can query it in ways that
- 01:01:28you consider particularly relevant.
- 01:01:30And suggestions coming from other directions.
- 01:01:32The other is I would say it's
- 01:01:34just the weirdest thing,
- 01:01:35being old enough in the
- 01:01:37Department just to see.
- 01:01:38So I had an idea when I
- 01:01:42was in attending an 87.
- 01:01:44We're at 91 when I discharge a lot
- 01:01:46of people and someone come back
- 01:01:48and someone and I can never figure
- 01:01:50out like how to predict that.
- 01:01:52And I think one of the things you know
- 01:01:54that things are showing with the resident.
- 01:01:56It's not to show people
- 01:01:58you know the because you're
- 01:01:59discharging so many people.
- 01:02:01So many people are coming back
- 01:02:02or this is what you're doing bad.
- 01:02:04It's actually to see someone who or
- 01:02:06several people who violate that rule
- 01:02:08that we had was increased discharges.
- 01:02:10Increased re admissions that you know.
- 01:02:12Is there someone in that group that's
- 01:02:14actually got what we would call a good eye?
- 01:02:17I'm that they can break free
- 01:02:19of the constraints that I had,
- 01:02:20that I would always see that you
- 01:02:22know you increased discharges.
- 01:02:23Re admissions go up too.
- 01:02:25So it's not to just tell people what
- 01:02:27they're doing wrong by any means,
- 01:02:29and that wasn't the suggestion to the groups,
- 01:02:31but it is to actually identify best
- 01:02:33practices and one that deviate in a
- 01:02:35good way and could actually teach
- 01:02:37a lot of other people information.
- 01:02:39And it is so hard to figure out like
- 01:02:41I don't know how you would unless you
- 01:02:44got this massive amount data about
- 01:02:46people doing their evaluations in the ER.
- 01:02:48And so to all of you,
- 01:02:51I thank you very much for these
- 01:02:53presentations.
- 01:02:54Very thought provoking presentations
- 01:02:56and let's see what we've got in
- 01:02:59terms of questions. Um?
- 01:03:02Trisha, why won't you help me with this?
- 01:03:05I'm sorry.
- 01:03:06I mean that's fine, let's do.
- 01:03:12Amazon scary let me
- 01:03:14see I think one was data about people
- 01:03:17receiving metrics for prescribing
- 01:03:19medications for addiction at the VA.
- 01:03:23That's from Doctor O'Malley to Eric.
- 01:03:28Yeah, so great the the.
- 01:03:31Up short stories we do great at that, so
- 01:03:33this is that that is that that is a metric.
- 01:03:36We are sort of on top of. I don't.
- 01:03:38I don't know what our numbers on,
- 01:03:40but you know so so one thing I didn't share
- 01:03:43is that you know VA push will push out these
- 01:03:46metrics to us and then and then raid us.
- 01:03:49Give us a Z score based on the the VA
- 01:03:51average and so whether you're however many
- 01:03:55standard deviations above or below the mean,
- 01:03:57and that's how they figure out
- 01:04:00you know what what,
- 01:04:01what color you get right,
- 01:04:03and you don't want to be read so,
- 01:04:06but weird full in the green on map 4,
- 01:04:09four OUD&AUD. Oh yeah. The
- 01:04:13other question, Doctor Sarniak is from
- 01:04:16Doctor O'Malley and it's for Eric.
- 01:04:18Does the VA have metrics for
- 01:04:21prescribing medications for addiction?
- 01:04:23Just ask that one.
- 01:04:24Sorry bout that. I'll just
- 01:04:26explain for the crowd so that we have sort
- 01:04:29of two main metrics that we work off of.
- 01:04:32Whether Matt or medication assisted
- 01:04:34therapies prescribed for OUD or au D so
- 01:04:37so we have two metrics that we work off.
- 01:04:39We're doing good on those.
- 01:04:43Great Na, I guess.
- 01:04:45A comment from Jennifer's IG
- 01:04:48and I'm very interested in
- 01:04:51safety issues with regards.
- 01:04:53Artie, I'm sorry.
- 01:04:54I'm old enough.
- 01:04:54I don't understand the RT.
- 01:04:57I don't think it's related to
- 01:04:59know the EMR records right?
- 01:05:00Yeah, so I know that Doctor Cahill
- 01:05:03presented kind of all the complexities
- 01:05:05of the EMR as sort of a joke.
- 01:05:08Like hey look, what we have to deal with
- 01:05:11and this is in the background and and look,
- 01:05:14you know we were able to
- 01:05:16get some work done anyway.
- 01:05:18Which is amazing.
- 01:05:19It is amazing, but my interest is actually
- 01:05:21approaching that head on and saying no,
- 01:05:24the EMR in and of itself is a safety problem.
- 01:05:28And so I've been active in our
- 01:05:30local epic optimization Committee
- 01:05:32at the Yale New Haven, you know?
- 01:05:35Or the Department of Psychiatry,
- 01:05:37but some of the initiatives have done
- 01:05:39have affected, sort of all of you.
- 01:05:42New Haven for example.
- 01:05:45People get vital signs taken.
- 01:05:47Sort of anywhere in the hospital
- 01:05:50that's now universally seen instead
- 01:05:52of segregated out somewhere so that
- 01:05:54nobody knows 'cause it's sort of sitting
- 01:05:57in an electronic box somewhere, and.
- 01:06:00It also just like there was an
- 01:06:02error where if if social history
- 01:06:04wasn't entered in then it said none.
- 01:06:07So for example it would say number
- 01:06:09of children none when it was meant
- 01:06:12to say not entered.
- 01:06:13So there was actual misinformation
- 01:06:15across the board because of our EMR.
- 01:06:17And so I've,
- 01:06:18you know,
- 01:06:18worked with the committee that has been
- 01:06:21really nice enough to listen to me
- 01:06:23as this part time outpatient psychiatrist.
- 01:06:25I raised my hand.
- 01:06:27I point out these things and they
- 01:06:29work on it and they fix them.
- 01:06:31An I think it's been really helpful
- 01:06:33for patient quality and safety,
- 01:06:35so when you put up things like
- 01:06:37that diagram of a joke about,
- 01:06:39you know I have to deal with this EMR
- 01:06:42where this one talks to that one that
- 01:06:44one text to this one, this one toxin.
- 01:06:47It's impossible.
- 01:06:47I actually take that really seriously.
- 01:06:49Sorry to have no sense of humor,
- 01:06:51but I think that that's a real
- 01:06:54problem in healthcare and I would be
- 01:06:56interested in finding other people who
- 01:06:58see that as a safety quality problem.
- 01:07:00Actually working on fixing that.
- 01:07:01Or publishing data about it?
- 01:07:03Or Anne Anne, I'm not sure.
- 01:07:05Kind of how to go about that.
- 01:07:07It's just something that I've
- 01:07:08noticed in my in my clinical care.
- 01:07:10So that was sort of what my comment was.
- 01:07:14Well, thanks for the comment.
- 01:07:15I John, can I give you one minute reply
- 01:07:18'cause we have a few other questions I
- 01:07:21want know. Thank you so much for
- 01:07:23that comment. I mean I think humor
- 01:07:25is a the psychodynamic members of this
- 01:07:28group. Will I hope?
- 01:07:29Support me and saying that humor is
- 01:07:32a mature defense mechanism and it is
- 01:07:34not meant to imply that I don't take
- 01:07:36this seriously and I would love to
- 01:07:38work with you along along those lines.
- 01:07:41So thank you for your comment
- 01:07:43and I look forward to.
- 01:07:45To working with you. Great,
- 01:07:47I'll just send out my email address
- 01:07:50so anybody can contact me if
- 01:07:52you're interested. Thank you.
- 01:07:53Both Ann from Doctor Carmen Parker
- 01:07:56to Doctor Wasser as we collect data
- 01:07:58that may reveal concerning racial
- 01:07:59bias and diagnostic and prescribing
- 01:08:01habits for faculty and residents.
- 01:08:04Have we yet entered conversations of
- 01:08:06supporting those with concerning trends?
- 01:08:09So Tobias, can you give us 2 minutes?
- 01:08:11Yeah, sure. So I think it's a
- 01:08:13really great question, Carmen.
- 01:08:16So it's complicated.
- 01:08:16I would say by in a lot of different ways,
- 01:08:19so one we really and I didn't get into this,
- 01:08:22but we really, really try hard when
- 01:08:24we present this information to be
- 01:08:26clear that this is not about judgment.
- 01:08:28This is not about some people
- 01:08:30are good and some people are bad,
- 01:08:32and I'm appreciative that even the language
- 01:08:34you're using is thoughtful and careful.
- 01:08:36But I think one thing I want to be
- 01:08:38very mindful of is that we're not
- 01:08:40sending the message to a resident
- 01:08:42that they're doing something bad.
- 01:08:44The second factor that really
- 01:08:45complicated is that.
- 01:08:46A lot of the choices that the residents
- 01:08:48are making in prescribing these settings
- 01:08:50are not wholly independent choices,
- 01:08:52so one it obviously can be
- 01:08:53influenced by their attending,
- 01:08:54but two it can also be really heavily
- 01:08:56influenced by community practices,
- 01:08:58so a lot of people you know these choices
- 01:09:00are being things that are being continued.
- 01:09:02Some of their seeing a CI you,
- 01:09:04they're just continuing their outpatient
- 01:09:06meds or an inpatient unit or wherever so.
- 01:09:09It's it's not.
- 01:09:10I think I would be careful about
- 01:09:12interpreting racial bias that we see
- 01:09:15in the prescribing as necessarily
- 01:09:17solely reflective of the residents.
- 01:09:20Choice as as not as more.
- 01:09:21Being a multi factorial and kind
- 01:09:23of complicated at the same time.
- 01:09:25I think we do have to address that.
- 01:09:27We see really desperate findings
- 01:09:28for in certain individuals to help
- 01:09:30them acknowledge that their findings
- 01:09:31are really different and how do
- 01:09:33we support them through that.
- 01:09:34So I think this paper was only recently
- 01:09:36kind of coming to fruition and I'm
- 01:09:38still wrestling with it so I know
- 01:09:40if you or anyone else is interested
- 01:09:42in this area has ideas or how to
- 01:09:44address this in the kind of careful,
- 01:09:46thoughtful way we'd like to,
- 01:09:47I'm all ears.
- 01:09:50Thanks, I I guess I would add 2.
- 01:09:53I didn't hear you mention faculty in that,
- 01:09:57and so I think Doctor Parkers question.
- 01:09:59There's still half. That to be addressed.
- 01:10:05Something that worked for I want to make
- 01:10:07sure just because there was a question
- 01:10:10from Doctor Goldenberg to Doctor Hermes,
- 01:10:12our patient populations at different VA
- 01:10:15sufficiently similar to compare across sites.
- 01:10:17I saw you answered in a text,
- 01:10:19but just so that everybody can hear it. Oh
- 01:10:23yeah, great so it's a great question, Matt.
- 01:10:26The so would you know I I talked about
- 01:10:29VA pushing out metrics and you know
- 01:10:32thanks for giving that analogy of sort
- 01:10:34of having data rain down on you 'cause
- 01:10:37it that's what it feels like sometimes.
- 01:10:39Thankfully, when we're compared
- 01:10:41against other facilities for a lot
- 01:10:43of the metrics they are weighted
- 01:10:45according to the facilities complexity.
- 01:10:47So we are. We are compared to other
- 01:10:50like facilities like Boston,
- 01:10:51another sort of larger academic Villiers.
- 01:10:53And to some extent.
- 01:10:55That characterization takes into account,
- 01:10:56you know, patient mix as well.
- 01:10:58So it's not. I don't think it's perfect,
- 01:11:01but it gives you a.
- 01:11:02It's much better than trying
- 01:11:04to do this in the dark.
- 01:11:07So yeah, thank you.
- 01:11:13Any other questions? We have attrition.
- 01:11:17We have two minutes, is that? Yeah, it looks
- 01:11:20like all the questions and chat are
- 01:11:22done and I don't see any hand sprays.
- 01:11:25So unless any come up now.
- 01:11:28OK, well give it a second and just to finish.
- 01:11:32I would say minute when I said it early,
- 01:11:36I think you now have a an idea of
- 01:11:39some of the work being done in
- 01:11:41the Department and we are very
- 01:11:44interested in future opportunities
- 01:11:47to highlight clinical practice.
- 01:11:49And so how we think about that?
- 01:11:52And then again, you saw, I mean,
- 01:11:54the excellence is just uncovered
- 01:11:56in in this kind of conversation
- 01:11:58exists throughout the Department,
- 01:12:00and so we would be very interested in
- 01:12:03any opportunities to further highlight
- 01:12:06kind of clinical work that people
- 01:12:08are doing in our vast Department.
- 01:12:10I would like to thank all the presenters,
- 01:12:14extraordinary job on pretty short
- 01:12:16notice and again thank you all,
- 01:12:18thanks specifically to Doctor Lee for.
- 01:12:21I got to be the face of this.
- 01:12:23She did all the work,
- 01:12:25so thanks again and thanks to everybody.