Yale Psychiatry Grand Rounds: June 18, 2021
June 18, 2021Yale Psychiatry Residency Program Commencement: "Bending the Arc: The Path to Social Justice in Mental Health"
Ruth Shim, MD, MPH, Luke & Grace Kim Professor in Cultural Psychiatry, Department of Psychiatry & Behavioral Sciences; Associate Dean of Diverse and Inclusive Education, University of California, Davis School of Medicine
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- 00:00Welcome everybody to the
- 00:022021 graduation address.
- 00:04This is one of the most special times in
- 00:07our year as we celebrate our wonderful
- 00:11graduating class of psychiatry,
- 00:13residents, fellows and psychology interns.
- 00:16We had two graduations already this week.
- 00:19The fellowship graduation will be this
- 00:23evening and we have seen that these are a
- 00:27really special group of people and we're so.
- 00:31Please, that that and proud of
- 00:34what they've accomplished during
- 00:35their time during residency,
- 00:37internship and fellowship.
- 00:40A few housekeeping.
- 00:43Notes there's no see me this
- 00:47week for the graduation address.
- 00:50We are since this is the.
- 00:52Graduation celebration we asked
- 00:55our graduating residents to have
- 00:58their videos on if they would like
- 01:01but the rest of us will be turning
- 01:04our our videos off. And our.
- 01:08Are we recording this presentation?
- 01:12Yes, yeah,
- 01:12so we will be recording so you know.
- 01:18We're absolutely thrilled to have our
- 01:21graduation speaker, Doctor Ruth Shim,
- 01:24and I'd like to now invite Doctor
- 01:27Barbara Bow to introduce her.
- 01:31Thanks so much John,
- 01:32and I'd like to also extend to welcome
- 01:35to this very special edition of our
- 01:38grand rounds honoring the 2021 graduates
- 01:40of our education programs and Happy
- 01:43Juneteenth as the inaugural celebration
- 01:46of our newest national holiday.
- 01:49I'd like to begin by acknowledging
- 01:51that indigenous peoples and nations,
- 01:54including the Mohegan Mashantucket
- 01:56Pequots eastern P Quad shadow Coat,
- 01:58Golden Hill, prakasit,
- 02:00Niantic and Quinnipiac, another,
- 02:01oh, Conklin speaking peoples,
- 02:03have stewarded through generations.
- 02:05The lands and waterways of what
- 02:08is now the state of Connecticut.
- 02:10We honor and respect the enduring
- 02:13relationship that exists between these
- 02:16peoples and nations and this land.
- 02:21Each year are residents nominated national
- 02:23figure to be their graduation speaker.
- 02:26The pastures witnessed COVID epidemics,
- 02:28uncovering of longstanding health
- 02:30disparities in terms of both infection
- 02:32rates and mortality in communities of
- 02:35color and the economic devastation in
- 02:38communities with concentrated poverty.
- 02:40We've witnessed murder of
- 02:42George Floyd and Brianna Taylor.
- 02:44But please send here in our own community,
- 02:47morbark Solomani.
- 02:49We began to play closer attention
- 02:51to racism's effects in our community
- 02:54in our department and institutions
- 02:57and international organizations.
- 02:58We endured the divisive politics before,
- 03:01during, and after the election season,
- 03:03including an insurrection to
- 03:05invalidate the election result.
- 03:08Given the context of this past year,
- 03:10the residents chose to invite a national
- 03:13scholar on racism and the economic,
- 03:15social and political determinants
- 03:17of mental health.
- 03:18I'm very pleased to have the opportunity
- 03:21to introduce Doctor Ruth Jim for
- 03:242021 graduation Grand Round Speaker.
- 03:27Doctor Shin graduated from College
- 03:29of William and Mary received her
- 03:31MD from Emory University School of
- 03:33Medicine and a Masters of Public Health
- 03:36from the Rollins School at Emory.
- 03:38She completed a residency at Emory,
- 03:41after which she joined the
- 03:43Morehouse School of Medicine.
- 03:44After work as Vice Chair of
- 03:47Education at Lenox Hill.
- 03:48Choose name that Luke and Grace Kim,
- 03:51professor in cultural psychiatry
- 03:53at the University of California,
- 03:55Davis,
- 03:55where she is also director of
- 03:58Cultural Psychiatry and professor
- 04:00of clinical psychiatry.
- 04:02Doctor Shim is a prolific scholar on the
- 04:05social determinants of mental health,
- 04:07cultural psychiatry and structural racism.
- 04:10Her book the Social Determinants
- 04:12of Mental Health is the definitive
- 04:14text on this topic.
- 04:16She is a sought after national
- 04:18speaker and served as a consultant
- 04:21on Diversity equity,
- 04:22inclusion at the medical School
- 04:24and academic program level.
- 04:26Lastly,
- 04:27Doctor Shin has been a leader in the
- 04:29American Psychiatric Association,
- 04:31becoming a distinguished Fellow
- 04:33of the organization and honorary
- 04:35Marshall of the AP,
- 04:36a convocation of Distinguished
- 04:38Fellows in 2019.
- 04:40Her decision to resign from that
- 04:43organization electrified the
- 04:44ongoing debate on racism in our
- 04:47national organization.
- 04:48And so it gives me great pleasure
- 04:50to welcome Doctor Ruth Jim as our
- 04:53graduation grand round speaker
- 04:54presentation is bending the arc.
- 04:56The path to social justice and mental health.
- 04:59Welcome Doctor Shim.
- 05:02Thank you so much, Doctor Robert,
- 05:04for that introduction.
- 05:05It's really so great to be
- 05:08here with all of you today.
- 05:10I just want to say congratulations
- 05:12to graduates of the program and
- 05:15also to wish everyone a happy,
- 05:17Juneteenth, Juneteenth as well.
- 05:19I am today talking about bending the arc,
- 05:22the path to social justice and
- 05:25mental health and and I really want
- 05:27us all to think about as as our
- 05:30residents are preparing to graduate.
- 05:33I want us to think about our own
- 05:35paths in our own career choices,
- 05:38and I hope to kind of share a
- 05:40little bit about some of my career
- 05:42choices in my path as we talk about
- 05:45the important issues related to
- 05:47social justice and mental health.
- 05:49So without further ado,
- 05:50I'd like to launch in the title of the talk.
- 05:54Is bending the arc and so that
- 05:56really comes from this quote
- 05:58that we're all familiar with from
- 06:00Martin Luther King Junior.
- 06:02He said that the arc.
- 06:03Of the moral universe is long,
- 06:05but it bends towards justice and I
- 06:08think that it's really important for
- 06:10us to think about that particular
- 06:13quote because to do this work
- 06:15and to spend time in this space,
- 06:17it requires a level of hope,
- 06:19an idea that justice is something that
- 06:22we can all achieve and work toward.
- 06:25So today we're going to spend
- 06:26some time talking about some key
- 06:29concepts associated with social
- 06:30justice and mental health.
- 06:32We're going to evaluate the evidence
- 06:34base of the impact of social injustice
- 06:37on behavioral health outcomes,
- 06:38and we're going to try to identify
- 06:41some solutions to dismantle
- 06:43structural racism and achieve social
- 06:45justice in psychiatry.
- 06:47So I don't have anything to disclose,
- 06:50but I always have to make a disclaimer
- 06:54before talking about these topics,
- 06:56because we're going to
- 06:58dive into some difficult,
- 06:59challenging things as it relates to racism,
- 07:03structural racism,
- 07:03social injustice in general,
- 07:05and these topics are difficult.
- 07:07They're uncomfortable as we
- 07:09talk about these things.
- 07:11Sometimes some complex feelings can emerge.
- 07:14These feelings include things like guilt,
- 07:16anger, resentment.
- 07:17Even defensiveness you may perceive me of
- 07:20accusing you of being racist or sexist,
- 07:22or any number of other negative things.
- 07:24You also may feel that as I'm
- 07:26talking about these issues,
- 07:27that I have some sort of specific
- 07:29political agenda that I am advancing.
- 07:31You may feel that I lack some
- 07:33sort of objectivity.
- 07:34I'm sharing that you might have these
- 07:37feelings because all of these things
- 07:38have been expressed to me at some
- 07:40point when I've talked about these topics,
- 07:43and sometimes even when I'm not
- 07:45talking about these topics.
- 07:46These feelings have been
- 07:47expressed towards me.
- 07:48So I just want to point out that
- 07:50if you have those feelings,
- 07:52it's OK.
- 07:53We're all mental health professionals,
- 07:54and the idea that is that we
- 07:56should be able to examine and look
- 07:58at these feelings that as they
- 08:00arise in our in ourselves.
- 08:02But as we think about that,
- 08:03I think it's also important
- 08:05to lean on the words
- 08:06of James Baldwin and he said,
- 08:08I'm not interested in anybody's guilt.
- 08:10Guilt is a luxury that we can no longer
- 08:13afford. I know you didn't do it,
- 08:15and I didn't do it either,
- 08:16but I am responsible for it because I
- 08:19am a man and a citizen of this country.
- 08:21And you are responsible for
- 08:23it for the very same reason.
- 08:25So with that I think we can kind
- 08:28of launch into our topic today.
- 08:30I'm having made having made my
- 08:32disclosures and disclaimers.
- 08:33Ann Ann.
- 08:33I want to say that it is again
- 08:35difficult to talk about these issues
- 08:37and particularly social injustice.
- 08:39We've been socialized in society to
- 08:41believe that it's not polite to talk
- 08:43about race or racism or oppression.
- 08:45We Start learning this very earliest
- 08:47children and it's not just in the
- 08:49United States that we learn this.
- 08:51If you were raised in another country,
- 08:53you've also probably been exposed to this.
- 08:55We don't.
- 08:56Particularly teach about these
- 08:57issues in child in our childhood
- 08:59and health professionals have not
- 09:01been taught about the connection
- 09:03between oppression and health.
- 09:05So much of our educational systems,
- 09:07including medical school,
- 09:08have had this tradition of teaching
- 09:11the concept of biological determinism.
- 09:13And I'll explain that concept
- 09:15and define it a little bit later.
- 09:18The other reason it's difficult
- 09:20to talk about these topics are
- 09:22because because of all of the events
- 09:25that took place last year.
- 09:27There has been such a focus.
- 09:29Such an emphasis on addressing
- 09:31racial injustice on issues related
- 09:33to social injustice,
- 09:34that there are certain people
- 09:35that feel that this is probably a
- 09:38little bit too much now that maybe
- 09:40we're over emphasizing this issue.
- 09:42Maybe there's an over correction
- 09:44that is happening,
- 09:45and that also makes it hard for us to
- 09:48talk about these particular issues.
- 09:51So this picture here is an op Ed that
- 09:54was published in the Wall Street
- 09:57Journal a couple of years ago.
- 09:59It was by a physician by the name
- 10:02of Stanley Goldfarb,
- 10:04who was at the time who was previously
- 10:06the associate Dean of curriculum
- 10:08at the University of Pennsylvania
- 10:10School of Medicine,
- 10:12and he was in this article which he,
- 10:15he titled,
- 10:16Take two Aspirin and Call Me by my Pronouns.
- 10:19He was lamenting.
- 10:21The change that he had been observing
- 10:23as as associate Dean of curriculum
- 10:26that medical schools were focusing too
- 10:28much on this concept of social justice.
- 10:31So we know this is a controversial
- 10:34topic topic.
- 10:35This idea of social justice and
- 10:37where it belongs and what it is.
- 10:40But he was very concerned about how
- 10:43it's been kind of as he thought of
- 10:46seeping into medical education and
- 10:48he stated in his in his in his op.
- 10:51Add why have medical schools become a
- 10:54target for inculcating social policy
- 10:55when the stated purpose of medical
- 10:58education since Hippocrates has been
- 11:00to deliver to develop individuals
- 11:01who know how to cure patients and
- 11:04he also said that curricula will
- 11:06increasingly focus on climate change,
- 11:08social inequities, gun violence bias and
- 11:11other progressive causes only tangentially
- 11:13related to treating illness and so will
- 11:15many of your doctors in coming years.
- 11:17So he was really sounding the alarm sounding.
- 11:20The call saying that this
- 11:23is a pretty dangerous.
- 11:24Place that we were heading
- 11:26to in medical education.
- 11:27Of course there were a lot of people that
- 11:30have disagreements about this perspective.
- 11:32There is debate on both sides about the issue
- 11:35of the role of social justice in medicine,
- 11:38so several of his colleagues responded in a
- 11:41response in the in the Philadelphia Inquirer,
- 11:44and they said that social and health
- 11:46policies have always determined who gets
- 11:48sick and who gets care and where and how.
- 11:51Understanding the social drivers of health
- 11:53and illness is not peripheral or tangential.
- 11:56Delta health it is the key to diagnosing
- 11:58and meeting a patient's fundamental needs,
- 12:00and so again,
- 12:01I would submit to you that there is
- 12:04debate about this issue and there's debate
- 12:06about the role of social justice and
- 12:08whether it should be included or thought
- 12:10about when we think about medicine.
- 12:12When we think about health,
- 12:14and so I think if we're going
- 12:16to wade into this debate,
- 12:17we need to define what we're talking about.
- 12:20And so I think we should define
- 12:22the concept of social justice.
- 12:24It again, has been, I think,
- 12:25misinterpreted has lots of.
- 12:27Fox behind it,
- 12:28but it is at its core a philosophical
- 12:31concept in a philosophical term,
- 12:33and so the philosopher David Miller
- 12:35defined social justice as the
- 12:37distribution of good or advantages
- 12:39and bad and disadvantages in society,
- 12:41and more specifically,
- 12:43how these things should be distributed
- 12:45in society.
- 12:46So he mentioned that it was concerned with
- 12:49the ways that resources are allocated
- 12:51to people by social institutions.
- 12:54And then the philosopher John Rawls
- 12:56added to this definition and said
- 12:58that it was also about assuring the
- 13:00protection of equal access to liberties,
- 13:03rights and opportunities,
- 13:04as well as taking care of the least
- 13:06advantage members of society.
- 13:08When we think about mental illness,
- 13:10Anan,
- 13:10particularly people with serious
- 13:12mental illness and people with
- 13:13substance use disorders.
- 13:15These are often the least
- 13:16advantage members of our society.
- 13:18And so when we think about social
- 13:20justice as it relates to psychiatry
- 13:23and mental health.
- 13:24It becomes central to the work that
- 13:26we do and should be at the center
- 13:29of what we're thinking about.
- 13:31So as I mentioned,
- 13:33it's difficult to talk about these issues,
- 13:35but particularly when we talk about race,
- 13:37there are a couple of things that
- 13:40we need to kind of get on the same
- 13:43page about and one of those is
- 13:45this idea that race is a social
- 13:48and political construct.
- 13:49I know that we've all heard this.
- 13:51I've heard this concept stated many
- 13:53times in many different settings.
- 13:55What's interesting about hearing
- 13:56it is that it doesn't always.
- 13:58It's not always exactly clear
- 14:00what is meant by that.
- 14:02But what's really meant
- 14:03when you say that race is
- 14:06a social construct or a political
- 14:08construct is that the very concept of race.
- 14:12This idea that you can categorize people
- 14:14into different groups based on these
- 14:17characteristics was an idea that was
- 14:19constructed that was developed in society
- 14:22to advance so certain social goals and
- 14:25to advance certain political goals.
- 14:27For example, slavery, for example,
- 14:29the subjugation of one group
- 14:31over another group.
- 14:32So that is the idea behind that.
- 14:35The definition of race is a social
- 14:37construct and it really leads into a clear
- 14:41understanding that race cannot be accurately,
- 14:44biologically or genetically categorized.
- 14:45And it's funny because it seems
- 14:48very obvious to me of this.
- 14:50Of this point we can't draw somebody's
- 14:53blood an identify what their race is.
- 14:56We can't do a genetic test and
- 14:59determine what somebody is racist.
- 15:01We cannot accurately biologically categorize.
- 15:03Race, and yet a lot of.
- 15:07Really smart really.
- 15:08Until intelligent medical professionals,
- 15:10including physicians and researchers,
- 15:11really don't fully grasp
- 15:13this particular point,
- 15:14and so there is a lot of debate about this,
- 15:18and it stems back to that idea
- 15:21of biological determinism.
- 15:23So what we do know about race is
- 15:26that it is a rough and imprecise
- 15:28proxy for a number of other things,
- 15:32including culture and genetics
- 15:33and socioeconomic status.
- 15:35And yet we use this very.
- 15:37Rough and imprecise proxy to make
- 15:40a lot of different assumptions
- 15:42and biases and prejudices,
- 15:45and to confirm those assumptions
- 15:47and biases and prejudices.
- 15:49Prejudices about our patients.
- 15:51Which is very strange because and mess
- 15:54and we we pride ourselves on being
- 15:57precise and accurate and get these.
- 15:59These proxies are really quite imprecise
- 16:02and and in some ways very lazy ways
- 16:06to try and go about categorizing
- 16:08and understanding our patients.
- 16:11So I have this quote that I I'd like
- 16:14us to kind of spend a little bit
- 16:17of time contemplating right now.
- 16:19It says that African Americans
- 16:21have higher incarceration rates,
- 16:23higher unemployment, lower incomes,
- 16:24lower home and business ownership,
- 16:26less education, less health care,
- 16:28more disease and lower life
- 16:30expectancy than whites.
- 16:31If you believe blacks are
- 16:33naturally dumb sick criminal,
- 16:35you have your answer for these discrepancies.
- 16:37If however,
- 16:38you resist using stereotypes
- 16:40to make sense of your world.
- 16:42Institutional racism provides a
- 16:44very practical and very traceable
- 16:47explanation for the inferior societal
- 16:49position of African Americans.
- 16:51The reason why I want us to contemplate
- 16:55this quote is because it seems so obvious,
- 16:58right?
- 16:59I it seems really clear.
- 17:01Of course we don't believe that
- 17:03blacks are naturally dumb,
- 17:05sick or criminal,
- 17:06but yet we don't always default to
- 17:08thinking about how institutional
- 17:10racism explains the inferior societal
- 17:13position of African Americans.
- 17:15And I would submit that in medicine.
- 17:18A lot of times we don't necessarily seek out.
- 17:22The real the cause of the of
- 17:25the inequities that we see in
- 17:28particular racial and ethnic groups.
- 17:30We almost tend to default to that
- 17:33belief that maybe maybe there is some
- 17:36sort of natural intrinsic inherent
- 17:39difference as it relates to intelligence,
- 17:42health status, tendency to commit
- 17:44certain behaviors, or do certain things.
- 17:47And so I do want us to think
- 17:50about that as we as we consider.
- 17:54Moving through this,
- 17:56this discussion that we're having today.
- 17:59So the question is how did
- 18:01we get here and you know,
- 18:03we have to think about our history and many
- 18:06people are familiar with this painting.
- 18:08It is the signers of the
- 18:10Declaration of Independence.
- 18:11We know that the Declaration of
- 18:13Independence was one of the founding
- 18:15documents of of this country.
- 18:17We're also very familiar with this
- 18:19very important foundational quote.
- 18:20We hold these truths to be self
- 18:22evident that all men are created equal,
- 18:25that they are endowed by their creator
- 18:27with certain unalienable rights.
- 18:29That among these are life, liberty,
- 18:31and the pursuit of happiness.
- 18:33Such a beautiful sentiment and and you know,
- 18:36again, the thought by which
- 18:38this country was founded,
- 18:40that the values and the principles
- 18:42upon which this country was founded.
- 18:45But I think that we really have
- 18:47to acknowledge that when the when
- 18:49Jefferson was crafting these words,
- 18:52and when these signers came together
- 18:54to to bring this these words forth
- 18:57in the founding of this country.
- 19:00They really weren't talking about all people.
- 19:02Clearly they already said all men,
- 19:05but they also really weren't talking
- 19:07about a number of other groups of people.
- 19:10They were really only refering
- 19:12to the folks that looked like
- 19:14the gentleman in this room,
- 19:16and it was those people that
- 19:18were endowed by the creator with
- 19:20certain unalienable rights.
- 19:22And really the rest of society.
- 19:24All of the people that did not look like
- 19:28these men were not considered to be.
- 19:31People who had the same liberty
- 19:33the same independence,
- 19:35the same opportunity to pursue
- 19:37happiness in society.
- 19:38And it was that mindset that really
- 19:41led overtime to the development of
- 19:43the pseudoscience that we think about
- 19:46as it relates to mental illness.
- 19:49And so physician by the name of
- 19:52Samuel Cartwright,
- 19:53about 50 years after the signing of
- 19:55the ratification of the Constitution,
- 19:58he really defined certain conditions
- 20:00that he described as psychiatric.
- 20:02Illness among enslaved black people and
- 20:04one of them was this concept of drapetomania.
- 20:07He said that this was a condition
- 20:10in which slaves had a mental
- 20:12illness of this desire to run away
- 20:14from slavery to escape captivity.
- 20:17So that was the mental illness
- 20:19that they were suffering from,
- 20:21and he spoke about this illness.
- 20:23He said,
- 20:24if anyone or more of them at anytime
- 20:26are inclined to raise their heads to a
- 20:29level with their master or overseer.
- 20:32Humanity in their own good,
- 20:34requires that they should be punished
- 20:35until they fall into that submissive state,
- 20:38which was intended for them to occupy.
- 20:40They have only to be kept in that
- 20:42state and treated like children to
- 20:44prevent and cure them from running away.
- 20:47And the other thing that he said,
- 20:50the other condition that he
- 20:52described was this condition called
- 20:54dysaesthesia ethiopica.
- 20:55He said that this particular
- 20:57condition was the illness within
- 20:59enslaved black people of rascality or
- 21:02or the natural tendency to be lazy,
- 21:04to not want to work hard.
- 21:07And he said of this condition.
- 21:09This is this disease is the
- 21:12natural offspring of liberty,
- 21:13the liberty to be idle to wallow in filth.
- 21:17And to indulge in improper food and drinks
- 21:20after the prescribed course of treatment,
- 21:23the slave will look grateful and thankful
- 21:26to the white man whose compulsory power
- 21:29has restored his sensation and dispel
- 21:32the mist that clouded his intellect.
- 21:34So what we're seeing with this origin of
- 21:38psychiatric pseudoscience is this idea,
- 21:40where without any sort of context
- 21:42without understanding the context of the
- 21:45condition that enslaved Africans were.
- 21:47Experiencing the perspective of
- 21:49Doctor Cartwright in looking at
- 21:52this at these at these folks,
- 21:54without that context led to him
- 21:57pathologizing very very normal behaviors.
- 22:00And so when he talked about
- 22:02this decision ethiopica,
- 22:04there was no context about the idea that
- 22:07slaves were often working far above the
- 22:11natural level of productivity for any human,
- 22:14and they were often working at
- 22:17that level of productivity.
- 22:20In a,
- 22:21in cases in which they were
- 22:23severely malnourished,
- 22:24oftentimes because slave owners were
- 22:27not giving slaves adequate nutrition,
- 22:29and so they were operating at extreme
- 22:32levels of productivity in a state
- 22:35of extreme nutritional deficiency.
- 22:37And yet that when when an enslaved
- 22:40African and slave black person
- 22:43was not working to the standard,
- 22:46that Doctor Cartwright felt
- 22:48that they should have.
- 22:50He felt that that was some
- 22:51type of mental health problems,
- 22:53so that lack of context really is
- 22:55is the beginning of when we start
- 22:58to think about how these concepts
- 23:00become kind of ingrained in the way
- 23:02that we practice psychiatry even to
- 23:04this day and the other thing that
- 23:06I think is particularly disturbing
- 23:08that we need to think about and and
- 23:10the description of these conditions
- 23:12is that Cartwright had a particular
- 23:14idea about how both of these
- 23:16conditions should be treated,
- 23:17and he felt like the proper treatment.
- 23:20Or both of these conditions was whipping?
- 23:24So I want to take this time
- 23:27to define two concepts.
- 23:29An really contrast the idea of health
- 23:32disparities with health inequities.
- 23:34So health disparities are defined as
- 23:36differences in health status among
- 23:38distinct segments of the population,
- 23:41including differences that occur by gender,
- 23:43race or ethnicity,
- 23:44education or income or disability,
- 23:46or where you live.
- 23:50This is different from this
- 23:51concept of health and equities,
- 23:53which are disparities in health
- 23:55that are the result of systemic,
- 23:57avoidable,
- 23:57and unjust social and economic
- 23:59policies and practices that
- 24:01create barriers to opportunity.
- 24:02I think it's really important
- 24:04for us to contrast these,
- 24:06because here in the United States we
- 24:08talk a lot about health disparities.
- 24:10The problem with using that particular
- 24:12definition is that it's not precise enough.
- 24:15It doesn't speak to the origin
- 24:17of the difference,
- 24:18and because it just defines the difference,
- 24:21and it doesn't say why that difference.
- 24:24Exist in the 1st place.
- 24:25We have the tendency to air on
- 24:27the side of saying that maybe
- 24:29the driver of that difference
- 24:31is some sort of intrinsic.
- 24:35Some sort of intrinsic quality of
- 24:37of the group or the individuals
- 24:39that have those differences?
- 24:41Maybe there's some sort of intrinsic
- 24:44biological difference that's driving it.
- 24:46Maybe there's some sort of cultural belief
- 24:48systems or choices that people make
- 24:51that's really driving that difference.
- 24:53And again, we tend to say that perhaps
- 24:56it's the problem of that person rather
- 24:59than recognizing that the majority of the
- 25:02differences in health that we see, the.
- 25:04Overwhelming majority in fact,
- 25:06almost all of the differences in health that
- 25:09we see are really the result of systemic,
- 25:11avoidable, and unjust social
- 25:13economic policies and practices.
- 25:14So it's really important that we get to
- 25:17the place where we're really thinking
- 25:19very hard about what is driving.
- 25:21What is creating this particular
- 25:23difference in health,
- 25:24and so it's much more precise to
- 25:26use the term health inequities when
- 25:29we talk about these differences.
- 25:32And then it's important for us to
- 25:34define this concept of the social
- 25:36determinants of mental health.
- 25:38So we see the social determinants
- 25:39as the social and environmental and
- 25:41economic conditions that impact
- 25:43and affect mental health outcomes
- 25:45across various populations.
- 25:47We know that these conditions are
- 25:49shaped by the distribution of money
- 25:51and power and resources at global,
- 25:53national and local levels,
- 25:54which themselves influenced are
- 25:56influenced by policy choices.
- 25:57And we also understand,
- 25:59I think most importantly that the.
- 26:01The social determinants of health
- 26:03and mental health are prominently
- 26:06responsible for the health disparities
- 26:08in inequities that we see both
- 26:10within and among populations.
- 26:12And so this issue of disparities and
- 26:15inequities is very personal to me
- 26:18because I attended medical school,
- 26:20residency and Community psychiatry
- 26:22fellowship all in Atlanta at
- 26:24Emory University.
- 26:25Emory University is not unlike
- 26:28most academic medical centers in
- 26:30which there are multiple locations,
- 26:32multiple sites and so I I had the
- 26:35pleasure of being able to train both at
- 26:39Emory University Hospital which was located.
- 26:43In probably the richest part
- 26:45of the suburbs of Atlanta.
- 26:47Probably one of the most affluent
- 26:50places in all of Atlanta.
- 26:52I had the ability to contrast
- 26:55that educational experience with
- 26:57working at Grady Memorial Hospital,
- 26:59which was located in the poorest
- 27:02section of Atlanta and located in
- 27:06the part of the city in which.
- 27:09Incomes were lowest and outcomes or poorest,
- 27:12and what was interesting about that
- 27:14experience and this idea of health
- 27:16disparities versus health inequities
- 27:18is that when I was a medical student,
- 27:21but then particularly as a resident
- 27:23in psychiatry, I would,
- 27:25I would rotate at Emory University
- 27:27Hospital in the inpatient unit,
- 27:29and then I would rotate a Grady Memorial
- 27:32Hospital in the inpatient unit and
- 27:35we would have the same process we would.
- 27:38We would identify people
- 27:40we would hospitalise them.
- 27:41We would admit them to the hospital
- 27:43and we would take time to provide
- 27:46them with the appropriate therapies
- 27:48which included medication therapies,
- 27:50group therapy, individual therapy,
- 27:52and treatment with the mill.
- 27:54You, which was very helpful and wonderful,
- 27:56and what I would see is that
- 27:59those patients at
- 28:00Emory University Hospital would
- 28:01take some time and they would get
- 28:04better and we would discharge them
- 28:07and they would go back to their
- 28:09lives and then a Grady we would.
- 28:12Admit people to the hospital.
- 28:14We would treat them with medication.
- 28:16We would treat them with therapy
- 28:18group and individual therapy.
- 28:19We would treat them with the
- 28:22millou and they did not get better.
- 28:24And so we would still discharge them,
- 28:27but they would not improve in the
- 28:29same way that I would see patients
- 28:31improve at at Emory. And again, why?
- 28:34What was going on there?
- 28:36And so that really sparked for me
- 28:38the start of my questioning of what
- 28:40was going on because I was the same
- 28:43position I was providing the same care.
- 28:45I wasn't doing anything differently and
- 28:47how it was interacting with the patients
- 28:50at Grady and the patients at Emory.
- 28:52It made me wonder I could have.
- 28:54Kind of defaulted to explaining.
- 28:56Maybe there's some sort of intrinsic
- 28:59difference between the patients that
- 29:01I was treating at Grady and the
- 29:03patients that I was treating at Emory,
- 29:05but it really started me on a path to
- 29:08discovery of what is really driving
- 29:11what's really at the foundation for
- 29:13why I'm seeing these differences
- 29:15in real time and also it it it
- 29:18was really it sparked in me.
- 29:20A desire to do something because
- 29:22I felt quite helpless.
- 29:24If I'm doing the same.
- 29:26Work,
- 29:26and if I went into psychiatry to help people
- 29:29and I'm not able to affectively do that,
- 29:32what is that saying about about me
- 29:34and so I felt that I needed to try
- 29:36and reach out and and discover some
- 29:39solutions I needed to explain what
- 29:41was happening in a way that that
- 29:43allowed me to feel like I was making
- 29:46some sort of progress in this space
- 29:48and so that led to work with Michael
- 29:51Compton at Emory at the time on the
- 29:53social determinants of mental health.
- 29:55And it was really an understanding
- 29:57that it was the social.
- 29:58Economic and social and economic
- 30:00factors that were leading to the
- 30:03development of these differences
- 30:04and outcomes that we saw.
- 30:06And so we really did gather the
- 30:09best available evidence on how all
- 30:11of these different social factors
- 30:14impact mental health.
- 30:15That work has led overtime,
- 30:17to my understanding of the
- 30:18foundations of what creates the
- 30:20social determinants of mental health.
- 30:22And that's actually social injustice,
- 30:24and so this is work that I did
- 30:26with Sarah Benson and in the book
- 30:29that was just published this this
- 30:31year and I really want to kind of
- 30:34walk you through my thinking and
- 30:36how it's evolved and how it's been
- 30:39expressed in in in this work.
- 30:41So this figure is a conceptualisation
- 30:44of the social determinants of mental
- 30:46health and at the very top you see
- 30:48this idea of adverse mental health
- 30:50outcomes and mental health in equities.
- 30:53And if you move down this figure,
- 30:55you're moving further upstream.
- 30:57So one step down and you
- 30:59get to a number of risk factors
- 31:01and we understand that risk factors
- 31:03are things that precede an illness
- 31:05an increase the likelihood that
- 31:07one will develop that illness.
- 31:09In psychiatry we spend a lot of time.
- 31:12Thinking about risk factors we we
- 31:14work to identify risk factors so
- 31:16that we can intervene and hopefully
- 31:18prevent poor mental health outcomes.
- 31:20But what I've started to understand and
- 31:22what I began understanding as I was
- 31:25doing this work as I was exploring these
- 31:27areas around social determinants of
- 31:29mental health is if you were interviewed.
- 31:42And of that, risk factor happened long
- 31:45before the risk factor came into play.
- 31:48So if you're trying to address this issue,
- 31:50but you haven't moved further upstream,
- 31:52if you haven't gotten to what Sir
- 31:54Michael Marmot and and Jeffrey Rose
- 31:56called that causes of the causes.
- 31:58If you haven't gotten there then you,
- 32:00then you're really missing what's driving
- 32:02the development of the risk factors,
- 32:04so you have to move further upstream
- 32:06and further upstream gets us to these
- 32:08social determinants of mental health,
- 32:10and you can see there are a
- 32:12number of them in the boxes.
- 32:14It may be a little bit difficult to see,
- 32:16but it's it's certainly not.
- 32:18All of the social determinants
- 32:20of mental health,
- 32:21but it's many of the social determinants
- 32:24of mental health and it includes things
- 32:26like adverse childhood experiences,
- 32:28discrimination,
- 32:29exposure to violence and conflict,
- 32:30interactions with the
- 32:32criminal justice system,
- 32:33low education and unemployment,
- 32:34or underemployment,
- 32:35poverty and income inequality,
- 32:37homelessness, and housing instability,
- 32:38food insecurity, transportation and security,
- 32:40and poor access to health care.
- 32:42And then things like adverse features of the
- 32:45built environment and neighborhood disorder,
- 32:47and pollution.
- 32:48Exposure in climate change.
- 32:50So all those things are the social
- 32:52determinants of mental health.
- 32:54They are the foundation that drives
- 32:56the development of these risk factors,
- 32:58which leads to these adverse mental health
- 33:00outcomes in these mental health inequities.
- 33:02But again, as I spent time
- 33:04thinking about these concepts,
- 33:05it's it's become very clear to me.
- 33:08I've started to understand that if
- 33:10you're intervening at the level of the
- 33:12social determinant of mental health,
- 33:14you are still intervening too late
- 33:16because there are number of things
- 33:18that set the context that set the
- 33:20foundation for the development of the
- 33:22social determinants of mental health.
- 33:24And what is really driving all of that
- 33:26is social injustice or the unfair and
- 33:29unjust distribution of opportunity.
- 33:31And the thing that creates that
- 33:34unfair and unjust distribution of our
- 33:36of opportunity or our social norms,
- 33:38the beliefs, the mindsets,
- 33:40the attitudes we have about certain
- 33:42people in certain populations,
- 33:44including who is worthy in our
- 33:46in our population,
- 33:48of certain advantages and who
- 33:50is worthy of disadvantage.
- 33:51Who should be elevated in our
- 33:54society and who should not.
- 33:56And then those social norms are
- 33:58complemented by public policy's
- 34:00the laws that we passed to reflect
- 34:02those values in our in our society.
- 34:04So,
- 34:04based on our beliefs about certain people,
- 34:07we pass laws.
- 34:08Those laws create unfair and unjust
- 34:10distribution of opportunity,
- 34:11which then drive the development of
- 34:13the social determinants of mental health,
- 34:15which then lead to the risk factors
- 34:17which then lead to the adverse mental
- 34:19health outcomes in mental health inequities.
- 34:22So that's a lot.
- 34:23And I'm going to use an example
- 34:25to really kind of clarify what
- 34:28I'm talking about.
- 34:29So if we're thinking about social norms,
- 34:32let's think about crack cocaine and crack.
- 34:34Use disorder,
- 34:35so all of us,
- 34:37I think from a social norm perspective,
- 34:39have a mental image of
- 34:41what a crack user looks
- 34:43like, and this may be seared in
- 34:46our brains from the early 1980s,
- 34:48or even thoughts about that if you
- 34:51weren't even born during the early 1980s.
- 34:54You can still have thoughts about about
- 34:56what it what a crack user looks like.
- 34:59What are social norms? Are we?
- 35:01We tend to think about black people.
- 35:04If it's a black man,
- 35:06we we tend to associate them with criminal
- 35:08behavior with being violent and dangerous
- 35:11as a result of a desire to get drugs.
- 35:13If it's a black woman,
- 35:15we tend to think of a woman who
- 35:17is so hell bent on getting more
- 35:20crack cocaine that she's willing
- 35:22to put her children at risk.
- 35:24She doesn't really care about her children,
- 35:27and because of the moral panic that
- 35:29developed in the 1980s and this belief.
- 35:31That we have because of these social
- 35:34norms about what type of people use crack
- 35:37cocaine and what their value is in society.
- 35:40We passed a number of laws that reflect
- 35:43that that belief system and one of them
- 35:47was the anti Drug Abuse Act in 1986
- 35:50which created this 100 to one jail.
- 35:52Sentancing disparity between
- 35:54crack cocaine and powder cocaine
- 35:56and what it said there was.
- 35:58If you had one gram of crack
- 36:01you would have the same.
- 36:03Jail sentence as somebody who had in their
- 36:06possession 100 grams of of powder cocaine,
- 36:09which really makes no sense because
- 36:12these are the same chemical compounds.
- 36:15These drugs.
- 36:16The difference really is that crack
- 36:19cocaine is a drug that is much
- 36:22much more less less expensive.
- 36:24It's a drug that is mostly used by
- 36:27people that are low income and many
- 36:31people that are low income because of.
- 36:34Inequities in our society happened to
- 36:36be black people and so because of that
- 36:40disparity and because of that powder
- 36:42cocaine is more likely to be used by
- 36:45people who are affluent who have money.
- 36:48And because many people in our
- 36:50society who are affluent happened
- 36:52to more likely be white people.
- 36:54You saw this difference in how these
- 36:57particular drugs were sentence and
- 36:59so that 100 to one jail sentancing
- 37:01disparity which is an extreme difference
- 37:04persisted for many years until 2010.
- 37:06Where that jail sentencing disparity
- 37:09was changed to 18 to one again,
- 37:11it really makes no sense that
- 37:14there should be any jail disparity
- 37:16as these are the same drugs but
- 37:19yet still this disparity exists.
- 37:22There's legislation right now trying
- 37:24to eliminate the disparity altogether,
- 37:26but it still exists in some form,
- 37:29and so this is how our laws reflect
- 37:32our beliefs about certain populations.
- 37:34As a result that created an.
- 37:37Unfair and unjust distribution of
- 37:39opportunity which led to a cascade
- 37:42effect of a number of social
- 37:44determinants of mental health,
- 37:46being incarcerated in and of itself is
- 37:49a social determinant of mental health.
- 37:52It also creates generational effects
- 37:54because children who have parents
- 37:57who go to jail that is actually
- 37:59an adverse childhood experience,
- 38:01so so you're creating problems
- 38:03across generations.
- 38:04But but also once somebody
- 38:06gets out of jail or prison.
- 38:09It's very difficult for them
- 38:11to find employment. It's there.
- 38:12They're entered into a cycle of poverty.
- 38:15It is very difficult to get education
- 38:17to to kind of address multiple
- 38:19social determinants of mental health.
- 38:21It's difficult to find housing so so,
- 38:24so this activates a number of social
- 38:27determinants and I will just point out
- 38:29again that one of the things around
- 38:32our social norms of crack cocaine is
- 38:34that we have really associated crack
- 38:36cocaine use with the criminal justice system.
- 38:39So Ernest Drucker,
- 38:40in a plague of prison, said.
- 38:42The fundamental clinical accountability
- 38:44of drug treatment professionals
- 38:46to individual patients has been
- 38:49subordinated to the goals of
- 38:50the criminal justice system.
- 38:52And I'd just like us to take
- 38:55a minute to contrast that with
- 38:57how we think about the opioid,
- 38:59use epidemic and the fact that
- 39:02we don't necessarily have.
- 39:03We have a very different image
- 39:05in our minds when we think about
- 39:07people who use opioids and our
- 39:10social norms are different,
- 39:11we don't consider the opioid use
- 39:13epidemic to be a drug problem that
- 39:16should be addressed through the
- 39:18criminal justice system we consider
- 39:20it to be a public health problem,
- 39:22and we don't necessarily consider mothers.
- 39:25Who use opioids to be these horrible people.
- 39:27The way that we think about mothers who
- 39:30use crack cocaine and so part of that.
- 39:33Again we see the difference in the
- 39:35laws that we pass and much of that
- 39:38relates to our social norms an and
- 39:40the public policy that we passed
- 39:42to reflect those social norms.
- 39:45So I want to take a little bit
- 39:47of time to go over a couple of
- 39:50important key concepts.
- 39:51I want to talk about.
- 39:53I mentioned that we don't spend a lot
- 39:55of time thinking about the connection
- 39:57between oppression and health,
- 39:59and so I want to spend some time
- 40:01defining certain types of oppression.
- 40:03And this is work by Iris Marion Young in
- 40:05what she calls the five faces of oppression.
- 40:08So we have exploitation,
- 40:09which is the unequal exchange
- 40:11of one groups labor and energies
- 40:13for another groups advantage.
- 40:14An advancement.
- 40:15Clearly, when we think about exploitation,
- 40:17we think about slavery.
- 40:19But I think that much exploitation
- 40:21happens in our society today.
- 40:24Human trafficking is a very
- 40:26clear example of exploitation.
- 40:28But also we see exploitation in treatment
- 40:31of workers across a variety of setting,
- 40:34treatment of migrant farm workers,
- 40:37for example,
- 40:38and many other groups in which
- 40:41labor is exploited.
- 40:43Coastal imperialism is when we established
- 40:45the ruling class culture as the norm
- 40:48and we other those groups that are
- 40:50not part of the dominant culture.
- 40:52I really clear example of cultural
- 40:54imperialism has to do with the
- 40:57ways that we think about research
- 40:59when we're conducting and looking
- 41:01at odds ratios and risk ratios,
- 41:03we often pick a reference group and
- 41:05I find that whenever I'm reviewing
- 41:08or looking at any sort of article in
- 41:11which we are examining race or ethnicity.
- 41:14The reference group, no matter how many
- 41:16people are in that particular study
- 41:18of whatever group we're talking about,
- 41:20the reference group is always white people,
- 41:22an it just seems very strange that we
- 41:25would kind of kind of naturally accept
- 41:27this as the norm without questioning.
- 41:29Why are we saying that this is this
- 41:32particular group is considered to
- 41:34be the thing that we are using as
- 41:37the reference for our research.
- 41:39Powerlessness is when oppressed
- 41:40groups lack power or they are blocked
- 41:43from routes to gaining power.
- 41:45I think there are examples of
- 41:48this all over the place,
- 41:50but clearly right now we're seeing
- 41:52a lot of that as it relates
- 41:55to voter suppression laws,
- 41:57ways to prevent certain people
- 41:59from representing themselves in
- 42:00in elected positions in preventing
- 42:03certain communities from from
- 42:04representing their own interests.
- 42:06Marginalization is when we expel
- 42:08specific groups from meaningful
- 42:10participation in society.
- 42:11I think the clearest historical example
- 42:14of this is treatment of indigenous
- 42:17populations here in the United States,
- 42:20but we've seen many examples
- 42:22throughout history,
- 42:23including Japanese internment,
- 42:24and we also see it currently in
- 42:28mass incarceration.
- 42:29And then violence is pretty straightforward.
- 42:31It's threats and experiences of
- 42:33physical and structural violence.
- 42:34I just wanted to find structural
- 42:36violence as harm that is done when
- 42:39someone in power does harm to someone
- 42:41that has less power or groups in power
- 42:44harm groups that have less power.
- 42:45It does not have to be physical violence,
- 42:48it just has to be some form of harm.
- 42:53So a couple of other principles
- 42:55is important for us to go over.
- 42:58One is this concept of essentialism.
- 43:00This is the belief that there are distinct,
- 43:03unchanging and natural characteristics
- 43:04that define social groups and
- 43:06facilitate their categorization.
- 43:07This this is our tendency to want to
- 43:10put people into discrete boxes and say
- 43:12that certain people in certain groups
- 43:15really fall into these boxes very easily.
- 43:18The problem of course,
- 43:19with this is that human beings
- 43:22are never this.
- 43:23Simplistic and cannot be categorized
- 43:25with such accuracy as as we believe
- 43:28in with the concept of essentialism.
- 43:31Erasure of context,
- 43:32which I've already touched on,
- 43:34is this failure to consider social
- 43:36historical context when seeking to
- 43:38understand the etiology of inequities.
- 43:40So clear example with Doctor
- 43:42Cartwright's theories about
- 43:44about certain mental illnesses.
- 43:45But we also saw this well defined by
- 43:49Jonathan Metzl in the protest psychosis
- 43:51when he talks about how schizophrenia.
- 43:54Became associated with the civil
- 43:57rights movement without a lot of
- 44:01context around the desire for people
- 44:04to fight for their civil rights.
- 44:07And biological determinism is the
- 44:09false belief that racial groups are
- 44:11biologically and genetically different.
- 44:13Again,
- 44:14I always kind of get stuck on
- 44:16this because it seems like such
- 44:18a basic concept an yet there are
- 44:21people who really still strongly
- 44:24believe in biological determinism.
- 44:26Anan a perfect example of that is
- 44:28that recent study where they looked
- 44:31at medical students and asked and
- 44:33found that a significant number
- 44:36of medical students still believe.
- 44:38On these concepts, like black people
- 44:40have thicker skin than white people,
- 44:43black people have fewer nerve
- 44:44endings than white people.
- 44:46That these beliefs continue to
- 44:48persist in our medical education
- 44:50system and then cultural determinism
- 44:52is the false belief that differences
- 44:54in racial group are racial groups
- 44:56are the result of cultural factors,
- 44:58and this is of course not trying to
- 45:01imply that culture is not important,
- 45:03but it doesn't necessarily drive
- 45:05the differences in outcomes that
- 45:08we often tend to.
- 45:09I think that that it does,
- 45:11or we maybe put too much emphasis.
- 45:14We may say that certain groups have
- 45:16poor outcomes as it relates to diabetes
- 45:18and hypertension because of their
- 45:20dietary choices based on cultural
- 45:23beliefs around their dietary dietary choices,
- 45:25but yet we're not looking at all
- 45:28around the structural design of of
- 45:30how those dietary choices came to be.
- 45:33We're not looking at the structural
- 45:35drivers of how certain groups
- 45:37have different access to certain.
- 45:39Foods so so it's just this tendency
- 45:41that kind of overemphasize certain
- 45:44factors without really getting
- 45:46to the structural causes.
- 45:49There are multiple types of discrimination.
- 45:51There is legal and illegal discrimination.
- 45:54Of course legal discrimination
- 45:56is best exemplified by the Jim
- 45:59Crow laws of the South.
- 46:01But illegal discrimination is what
- 46:03we tend to think of as it relates to
- 46:06employment opportunities and the idea
- 46:09that you cannot discriminate against
- 46:11certain protected classes in our society,
- 46:14and so illegal discrimination
- 46:16applies to those protected classes
- 46:18specifically for employment.
- 46:20Based on the Civil Rights Act,
- 46:23and it was just recently expanded
- 46:25to include LGBTQ populations,
- 46:27but only very specifically and
- 46:29work in workplace settings.
- 46:31Then we have overt and covert discrimination.
- 46:34Overt is really common,
- 46:36clear examples when you're
- 46:37being discriminated against.
- 46:39Covert is more the implicit
- 46:41types of discrimination.
- 46:42We often talk about microaggressions.
- 46:44It's when you're kind of left
- 46:47scratching your head, wondering if
- 46:49you were discriminated against or not,
- 46:52and not being entirely.
- 46:53We are about that and then there are
- 46:56multiple levels of discrimination.
- 46:58There's interpersonal,
- 46:59institutional, and structural.
- 47:01Interpersonal is the one we spend a
- 47:03lot of time talking about focusing on.
- 47:06It's it's this idea of the the one on
- 47:09one interactions that we have with people.
- 47:12It's the things that get the most news.
- 47:14Get the most media attention.
- 47:16Get the most focus and when again
- 47:18what's really driving the inequities
- 47:20in our society are those structural
- 47:22and institutional levels of
- 47:24discrimination that we experience
- 47:25and so to define structural racism.
- 47:27It is a system in which public
- 47:29policy's institutional practices.
- 47:31Cultural representations,
- 47:31another norms work in various,
- 47:34often reinforcing ways to perpetuate
- 47:36racial group in equities.
- 47:37This system identifies dimensions of
- 47:39our history and culture that have
- 47:42allowed privileges associated with
- 47:44whiteness and disadvantages associated
- 47:47with color to endure an adapt overtime.
- 47:50It is not something that a few people
- 47:52or institutions choose to practice.
- 47:54Instead, it's been a feature of the social,
- 47:56economic and political systems
- 47:57in which we all exist.
- 47:59It does not require the actions
- 48:01or intentions of others,
- 48:02so we can all be very good people
- 48:05and structural racism can still
- 48:06blossom and flourish in our society
- 48:08and just to drive that point home.
- 48:10If we got rid of all of the
- 48:13interpersonal discrimination
- 48:14that exists in our society today,
- 48:15we would still see racial and
- 48:17ethnic inequities due to the
- 48:19persistence of structural racism.
- 48:21So in the time that I have left,
- 48:24I want to spend some time
- 48:26giving some examples of social
- 48:28injustice and mental health.
- 48:29We've already talked about the war on drugs,
- 48:32so I'm not going to cover that again,
- 48:35but I will mention very briefly
- 48:37around residential segregation.
- 48:38We we were most of us are familiar
- 48:41with this concept of redlining,
- 48:43how certain neighborhoods were invested
- 48:44in and certain communities of color.
- 48:47Those neighborhoods were
- 48:48divested in or disinvested in,
- 48:49and so those communities.
- 48:51Then had a withdrawal of resources,
- 48:54including clinics,
- 48:55hospitals,
- 48:55those types of settings,
- 48:57but I think one of the best examples
- 49:00of residential segregation has
- 49:02to do with COVID vaccinations,
- 49:05and so we saw a recent study that
- 49:07showed that people who live in
- 49:10predominantly black communities have
- 49:12to travel significantly farther to
- 49:15get to the closest COVID vaccination
- 49:18site than people who live in
- 49:21predominantly white communities.
- 49:23And so it's interesting because
- 49:25we've spent a lot of time thinking
- 49:28about the COVID vaccine,
- 49:30talking about vaccine hesitancy,
- 49:31talking about cultural beliefs that are
- 49:34preventing people from getting the vaccine.
- 49:37But we haven't focused as much
- 49:39on the structural barriers.
- 49:41The barriers associated directly from
- 49:44residential segregation that are
- 49:46really driving some of the differences
- 49:48that we see in access to vaccinations
- 49:51an and people cannot get vaccinated.
- 49:53If they can't get to a vaccination site,
- 49:56so instead of spending as much time
- 49:58as we are trying to convince people,
- 50:00I think we have to think about
- 50:02how how these structural issues
- 50:03are really driving some of these
- 50:05differences that we're seeing.
- 50:07Some of these inequities.
- 50:09Immigration policy this is a particular
- 50:12issue as it relates to the fact that
- 50:15we have certain quotas about who people,
- 50:18which countries.
- 50:18It's OK for people to come into
- 50:21this country from and so we have
- 50:24certain places that we have
- 50:26identified as as desirable places
- 50:28for people to immigrate from,
- 50:30and then we have certain countries
- 50:33that are less than desirable and
- 50:35therefore we are much more restrictive
- 50:38about who comes into the country from.
- 50:41From those populations,
- 50:42but the other thing we do is that we
- 50:44scream people in our immigration policy,
- 50:47and so if you have a serious
- 50:49mental illness or if you have
- 50:51a substance use disorder,
- 50:52you're not going to be admitted
- 50:54as an immigrant to this country.
- 50:56You will be screened out from from
- 50:58consideration the thing that's
- 51:00interesting about that is is it's the
- 51:02direct result of this immigration policy.
- 51:04Why we see this healthy immigrant effect?
- 51:07Why we see that when people
- 51:08come to this particular
- 51:10country, they as immigrants
- 51:11they are often healthier.
- 51:13Then the people that live here,
- 51:16the residents of this country and and
- 51:19what's fascinating about that is again, we.
- 51:22We tend to air on the side of
- 51:24making cultural explanations.
- 51:27For this. We say that oh,
- 51:29this immigrants have different values.
- 51:32They have different dietze.
- 51:33They have different cultural beliefs and
- 51:36that is really what's driving the better
- 51:39outcomes for these immigrants without
- 51:41again looking at the structural barriers.
- 51:44That we have created in which we have
- 51:47screened out and and particularly
- 51:49selected a particularly healthy population.
- 51:51And then that is really what's driving the
- 51:55the differences in outcomes that we see.
- 51:57The Social Security Act of 1935,
- 52:00of course,
- 52:00created retirement benefits.
- 52:02A wonderful act that allowed older
- 52:04people to be able to retire in
- 52:07comfort and be able to not have a
- 52:09lot of financial anxiety or stress.
- 52:12Not have a lot of poverty associated
- 52:14with their with older adulthood.
- 52:16And they could also pass their wealth onto
- 52:19their children and their grandchildren,
- 52:21building wealth building generational wealth.
- 52:23The reason that the Social Security
- 52:25Act is an example of structural racism.
- 52:28It's because in order to get that past
- 52:31Southern senators required that it
- 52:33excludes domestic and agricultural workers,
- 52:36and so domestic and agricultural workers at
- 52:39that time were the were predominantly black.
- 52:43And so despite having worked
- 52:45your entire life,
- 52:46if you were a domestic
- 52:48run agricultural worker,
- 52:49you could not retire and get these Social
- 52:52Security benefits in your retirement.
- 52:54So you couldn't then have less anxiety
- 52:57and Peace of Mind in older adulthood.
- 53:00And you also couldn't pass that
- 53:02wealth onto your children.
- 53:04So you really saw this this huge
- 53:07widening of the wealth gap in
- 53:09this country as a result of the
- 53:12passage of the Social Security Act.
- 53:15And then let's take a little bit of time
- 53:17to talk about the mental health care.
- 53:19This is data from Samsung showing that
- 53:22in 2018 about 69% of black adults and
- 53:2567% of Latin X adults with any mental
- 53:28illness received no treatment whatsoever.
- 53:30About 42% of black adults and 44% of
- 53:33Latin X adults with serious mental
- 53:36illness received no treatment.
- 53:38When we talk about substance use disorders,
- 53:41these numbers get terrifyingly large.
- 53:4389% of Latin X adults with substance
- 53:46use disorders and 88% of black adults
- 53:49with substance use disorders reported
- 53:51receiving no treatment whatsoever.
- 53:53So I have to pause and say what
- 53:56is the cause of these this.
- 53:59This extremely high rates of people not
- 54:02accessing health care and particularly
- 54:04not accessing mental health and
- 54:06substance use services and and the
- 54:09reason I pause is because think
- 54:11about the explanations that you have
- 54:13often had for these these reasons,
- 54:16I think we might say particularly
- 54:18around Black and Latinx populations.
- 54:20They have a lot of stigma towards
- 54:23mental illness. They they they tend to.
- 54:26Not want to seek treatment and
- 54:28we might even say oh they,
- 54:30they're not particularly well educated
- 54:32about mental health problems or
- 54:33substance use disorder problems,
- 54:35and so they may be less likely to
- 54:38seek out treatment 'cause they may
- 54:40not think that they have a problem.
- 54:43But really, when we asked people
- 54:45about why they weren't seeking mental
- 54:47health treatment or substance use,
- 54:49treatment cost was the most commonly
- 54:51cited reason why people said they didn't
- 54:54seek care and it was twice as often.
- 54:56As a minimisation of symptoms and
- 54:59nearly five times as often as stigma,
- 55:02so again we have the tendency to
- 55:04air to this idea that it's some
- 55:06sort of intrinsic issue rather than
- 55:09looking at the structural causes.
- 55:11The fact that we have created an
- 55:14inequitable mental healthcare system in
- 55:17this country that makes it very difficult
- 55:19if you are poor to access quality,
- 55:22mental health and substance use,
- 55:24disorder services and so cost
- 55:26is really the driving force.
- 55:28These structural explanations
- 55:29are the driving.
- 55:30Course we talked behind why we see such
- 55:33high rates of lack of accessing treatment?
- 55:37So.
- 55:37The question is where do we need to go,
- 55:41and I think that we need to start
- 55:44off by understanding where we are,
- 55:47so we're currently in the state
- 55:49of inequality.
- 55:50This is where we have unequal access
- 55:53to opportunities within society and
- 55:55many people will think that the best
- 55:57way to address this is to focus on
- 55:59equality and a lot of people talk
- 56:01about the importance of equality.
- 56:03Equality is when we're thinking about
- 56:05fairness and we're thinking about
- 56:06making sure we're evenly distributing
- 56:08tools and assistance to everybody
- 56:10that everybody gets the same thing,
- 56:11and so if we're making any sort
- 56:14of intervention,
- 56:14the most important priority is to make
- 56:16sure that that intervention is fair
- 56:18and that everybody gets the same thing,
- 56:21but.
- 56:21As you can see,
- 56:22a quality cannot be the goal because it
- 56:24doesn't address the underlying factors.
- 56:26So one of the goals has to be equity.
- 56:29It has to be identifying custom
- 56:31tools that identify an address,
- 56:33the inequality and it is
- 56:35really unchanging you're.
- 56:36You're thinking the interventions
- 56:38aren't focused on being fair.
- 56:39The interventions are making sure everybody
- 56:42gets what they need to have a healthy up.
- 56:45An opportunity to have mental health and
- 56:47and and and to promote good mental health.
- 56:50But equity actually cannot be the goal alone,
- 56:53because as you can see,
- 56:55while it does help a little bit,
- 56:57we still have an issue here.
- 57:00And so we have to combine our work
- 57:03inequity with thinking about justice,
- 57:05which is when we are fixing the
- 57:07system to offer equal access to
- 57:10both tools and opportunities.
- 57:12So it really is about coming up with
- 57:15structural solutions to the problems
- 57:17that we have within our within our system.
- 57:21And so,
- 57:22how do we go about doing that?
- 57:24There are a number of things that
- 57:26we need to think about,
- 57:28and I'll go through each of them really,
- 57:31really quickly.
- 57:32So the first relates to education
- 57:34and self reflection,
- 57:35and I have to say that
- 57:37because we didn't learn
- 57:38any of this in our health professional
- 57:41schools in our grade school,
- 57:43in high schools or in college,
- 57:45it means that we have to
- 57:47do this work on our own.
- 57:49And I think that what's great
- 57:51about our graduating residents.
- 57:53And many of our younger generations
- 57:55is that there are a lot of people
- 57:58that did learn some of this when
- 58:00they were in college because they
- 58:02were able to major in and focus on
- 58:05issues like critical race theory and
- 58:07certain types of studies in which they
- 58:09learned a lot of this information.
- 58:12But for the rest of us,
- 58:14we have to play catch up and so
- 58:16here are a list of many books
- 58:19that will get us started if you
- 58:21if you just read these books.
- 58:24The level of your understanding of
- 58:26these concepts will will multiply.
- 58:27I promise it it did for me because
- 58:30I did not learn any of this stuff
- 58:33in any in any school settings.
- 58:35I will also just say that those
- 58:38books are dense and hard,
- 58:39and so if you want to try and
- 58:41do some easier reading,
- 58:43I've listed some books here that
- 58:45are much easier to kind of be
- 58:47an introduction to this concept,
- 58:48but also if you're just too tired of reading,
- 58:51there are a number of podcasts that
- 58:53really very affectively address these issues,
- 58:55including the 1619 project and seeing white,
- 58:57and there are a number of
- 58:59documentaries that can introduce
- 59:01you to these topics as well,
- 59:02and so I am not your is is a
- 59:05perfect example of that so.
- 59:07There's many, many,
- 59:08many ways.
- 59:09There's really no excuse for not in
- 59:11educating yourself on these topics,
- 59:13but of course education is not enough.
- 59:15We have to practice this concept
- 59:17of cultural humility.
- 59:18Cultural humility is when we
- 59:20commit to a lifelong process of
- 59:22self evaluation and self critique.
- 59:24We understand that we can't take one class.
- 59:27We can't go to 1 grand rounds.
- 59:29We can't read one book and all of a
- 59:32sudden be an expert or even be competent,
- 59:35or even have competence in an area.
- 59:38We have to be willing to do this
- 59:40work for the rest of our lives
- 59:43and we have to commit to that.
- 59:45And then we have to commit to
- 59:47this process of self exploration,
- 59:49which is very hard.
- 59:50We also have to have a desire to fix
- 59:53power imbalances between providers
- 59:55and clients because we have many
- 59:57power imbalances that are really set
- 59:59up to make it clear that there is a
- 01:00:01group that is in power over a group
- 01:00:04that has less power and it's not
- 01:00:06really there serving any other purpose.
- 01:00:09But just to to create that
- 01:00:11understanding and make it clear for
- 01:00:13the people in power to feel more
- 01:00:15powerful and so we have to desire
- 01:00:17to fix those power imbalances.
- 01:00:18And we have to work on developing
- 01:00:21community partnerships to advocate
- 01:00:22within the larger organizations
- 01:00:24that we participate in.
- 01:00:25And then we need to practice
- 01:00:27structural competence or even
- 01:00:29structural humility,
- 01:00:30which is defined by Jonathan Metzl
- 01:00:33and Helena Hansen as the trained
- 01:00:35ability to discern how a host of
- 01:00:37issues defined as symptoms or other
- 01:00:40diseases are influenced by upstream
- 01:00:42social determinants of health.
- 01:00:44So we really need to get skilled at
- 01:00:47seeing how these social determinants
- 01:00:50of health show up in the presentation
- 01:00:53of the problems that our patients.
- 01:00:55Come to us to address.
- 01:00:57And then we have to address this
- 01:00:59issue of acting on social norms
- 01:01:01and acting on public policy's.
- 01:01:03And so we must promote social
- 01:01:05norms of inclusion, equity,
- 01:01:06and respect in all situations,
- 01:01:08in all places.
- 01:01:09And I have to make a disclaimer when
- 01:01:11we talk about promoting social norms.
- 01:01:13We can have a healthy dialogue on this,
- 01:01:16but but I must again quote James
- 01:01:18Baldwin and say we can disagree
- 01:01:20and still love each other.
- 01:01:21Unless your disagreement is rooted
- 01:01:23in my oppression and denial of
- 01:01:25my humanity and right to exist.
- 01:01:27And so it's.
- 01:01:28It's fine to debate some of these issues,
- 01:01:31but there are actually some things around.
- 01:01:34Oppression and denial of humanity.
- 01:01:36They're actually not debatable,
- 01:01:37and so if we're going to promote
- 01:01:40social inclusion and social norms of
- 01:01:43of inclusion and equity and respect,
- 01:01:45we have to enforce these social
- 01:01:47norms of inclusion and equity.
- 01:01:49We need to enforce them everywhere
- 01:01:52in our families, in our communities,
- 01:01:54in our work settings.
- 01:01:56And we also have to educate or
- 01:01:59legislate to change social norms.
- 01:02:01So a number of people harbor these
- 01:02:03beliefs about different populations.
- 01:02:05These negative beliefs are
- 01:02:06negative social norms.
- 01:02:07Just because they don't know any better.
- 01:02:09Many of them have not had a lot
- 01:02:11of experience or interaction with
- 01:02:13certain groups or certain populations,
- 01:02:15and so in those cases,
- 01:02:17education can be very important
- 01:02:19and to helping change social norms.
- 01:02:21But I I recognize that there is
- 01:02:23a subset of the population that
- 01:02:25no amount of education is going
- 01:02:27to reach them because they have
- 01:02:29hateful views about different people
- 01:02:31or people that are different from
- 01:02:33themselves and in those cases.
- 01:02:35That's when the legislation
- 01:02:36becomes important.
- 01:02:37That's when we use the laws that are
- 01:02:40established in our society in our policies,
- 01:02:42in our educational settings to prevent
- 01:02:45those people from doing harm in society.
- 01:02:48And it may include,
- 01:02:50you know,
- 01:02:50using our policy is to remove
- 01:02:53certain learners.
- 01:02:54I'm certain educators from interacting
- 01:02:56with learners or other situations
- 01:02:58like that we must observe and
- 01:03:00challenge our own implicit biases.
- 01:03:02This is really hard work.
- 01:03:04The better you become at
- 01:03:06identifying your biases,
- 01:03:07the more frustrating the work becomes
- 01:03:10because it in intrinsically challenging
- 01:03:13your implicit biases means that
- 01:03:15you were going to come up against.
- 01:03:18Values that your biases have that
- 01:03:20are different from your personal
- 01:03:22values and it becomes hard to
- 01:03:24constantly reflect on the fact that
- 01:03:26you have thoughts that are against
- 01:03:27your own personal value system,
- 01:03:29but it's still important to do this
- 01:03:32work and it I would just say that you
- 01:03:34have to do this work,
- 01:03:36but then offer yourself some grace as
- 01:03:38you as you become better or skilled at
- 01:03:40identifying your own implicit biases.
- 01:03:42And then, as I said before,
- 01:03:44we have to evaluate and breakdown any
- 01:03:47unnecessary hierarchies that exist with.
- 01:03:48In our society within
- 01:03:50our clinical structures,
- 01:03:51within our interactions with our patients,
- 01:03:53we have to do that work because a many
- 01:03:57hierarchies that we have in our society
- 01:03:59are not there to do anything but to
- 01:04:02make people in power feel more powerful.
- 01:04:07And then we have to advocate for
- 01:04:09effective and equitable public policy's,
- 01:04:11and that really means thinking about the
- 01:04:13fact that all policies are health policies,
- 01:04:16and therefore all health policy czar.
- 01:04:18Are mental health policies.
- 01:04:19And so we must take action beyond
- 01:04:22the walls of our clinics or
- 01:04:24hospitals or treatment centers.
- 01:04:26And we must advocate for those
- 01:04:28policies that address the social
- 01:04:29determinants of mental health.
- 01:04:31This work involves us all communicating
- 01:04:34with our elected officials at
- 01:04:36all levels at the local state.
- 01:04:38And national levels and it
- 01:04:40requires us to promote equitable,
- 01:04:42equitable representation to make sure
- 01:04:44that whenever we're forming any committee,
- 01:04:47whenever we were creating any system
- 01:04:50in which people are going to make
- 01:04:53decisions about anything that we have,
- 01:04:56the right representation that reflects
- 01:04:58the people by which the issue or
- 01:05:01the policy is going to be made.
- 01:05:04And and it also involves forming
- 01:05:07cross sector collaborations and
- 01:05:09community coalitions and working.
- 01:05:11And equating working equitable
- 01:05:13equitably with our community,
- 01:05:15coalitions and collaborators.
- 01:05:17Making sure we're compensating them
- 01:05:20appropriately for their time and their
- 01:05:23energy. So you know to to wrap up.
- 01:05:26I would just say that for myself
- 01:05:29this this desire back when I was
- 01:05:32at Emory in Atlanta to really think
- 01:05:34hard about why I was seeing these
- 01:05:37differences really led to my career
- 01:05:39and focusing on how to how structural
- 01:05:42racism and social determinants of
- 01:05:44health had led to these poor outcomes.
- 01:05:47And so I've found that the last
- 01:05:50thing that we all have to do is
- 01:05:53think about how to speak up.
- 01:05:55And use our voice and for me
- 01:05:58it has been writing articles.
- 01:06:02Making statements within within
- 01:06:03academic settings to really advance
- 01:06:05these issues on a larger scale,
- 01:06:07and I think that it's all incumbent upon
- 01:06:11all of us to speak up when we can whenever,
- 01:06:14because politically political stances
- 01:06:16and policy interventions are required if
- 01:06:19we are to remain apolitical or neutral,
- 01:06:21that is and of itself a political stance,
- 01:06:24it is a tacit acceptance of the status quo,
- 01:06:28so it's not enough to say that
- 01:06:30we're not waiting until.
- 01:06:32Political issues this is work that
- 01:06:34we all have to do and so I call
- 01:06:36on the words of Audre Lorde.
- 01:06:38She said when we speak we are afraid our
- 01:06:40words will not be heard nor welcomed.
- 01:06:43But when we are silent,
- 01:06:44we are still afraid.
- 01:06:45So it is better to speak so we
- 01:06:47all need to work on speaking up an
- 01:06:49I really want to challenge our graduates
- 01:06:51to find your voice and to speak even
- 01:06:54when you're afraid because it is.
- 01:06:55It is always better to speak.
- 01:06:58And so to the end,
- 01:07:00I just want to say that we've had this
- 01:07:03great experience in the last year or so,
- 01:07:07in which we've seen a lot of progress
- 01:07:10being made and progress is made
- 01:07:12through the passage of legislation,
- 01:07:15court rulings, and other formal mechanisms
- 01:07:17that aim to promote racial equality.
- 01:07:20And it's been great,
- 01:07:21but I think that we have to remember
- 01:07:24that always with progress always
- 01:07:26comes inevitable retrenchment.
- 01:07:28And retrenchment refers to the many ways in
- 01:07:31which progress is very often challenged,
- 01:07:34neutralized or undermined
- 01:07:35in key policy arenas.
- 01:07:37If we're not ready for the retrenchment,
- 01:07:40we can get very.
- 01:07:43We can despair.
- 01:07:44We can get very overwhelmed and
- 01:07:47frustrated and demoralised because
- 01:07:48when we feel like progress is being
- 01:07:51made when we're faced again with
- 01:07:53retrenchment as we see happening
- 01:07:55so much in our society right now,
- 01:07:58it's overwhelming and and I will just
- 01:08:01point out that a recent study showed
- 01:08:04that support for Black Lives Matter
- 01:08:07is actually less now than it was.
- 01:08:10Prior to George Floyd's murder,
- 01:08:11so this is just another example
- 01:08:13of how we can see retrenchment
- 01:08:15showing up in our society.
- 01:08:17So I want to leave.
- 01:08:19I want to leave you with some hope
- 01:08:21and with the idea that of how to get
- 01:08:24past this feeling of retrenchment.
- 01:08:26And so I will leave you with the
- 01:08:28words of Congressman John Lewis.
- 01:08:30He said, do not get lost in a sea of despair.
- 01:08:33Be hopeful, be optimistic.
- 01:08:35Our struggle is not the struggle of a day,
- 01:08:38a week, a month, or a year.
- 01:08:40It is a struggle of a lifetime.
- 01:08:42Never ever be afraid to make some noise
- 01:08:45and get in good trouble, necessary trouble.
- 01:08:47Thank you.
- 01:08:55Thanks so much Doctor Shim
- 01:08:56for it really terrific talk.
- 01:09:00We're able to have questions in
- 01:09:02the chat and now we're we're
- 01:09:04usually at the end of our session,
- 01:09:06but I'd like to extend.
- 01:09:08For those of you who are able to extend,
- 01:09:11and if you'll put your questions in the chat,
- 01:09:14will provide them to Doctor Shim.
- 01:09:21Fortunately, Bob Diana. Unfortunately,
- 01:09:23the chat is disabled, so we can only go to
- 01:09:28the. Co hosts for.
- 01:09:30I don't know why but.
- 01:09:33You can't put your. Questions,
- 01:09:36but I just have a question
- 01:09:38for you Ruth. It's always good
- 01:09:40to see you and thank you.
- 01:09:43Your slider impeccable really just amazing
- 01:09:45and so grateful to have you as our speaker.
- 01:09:49I've been thinking a lot about how to move
- 01:09:52forward and I want to remain optimistic,
- 01:09:55especially for our graduates.
- 01:09:57But how to remain optimistic in
- 01:09:59the context of legislation that.
- 01:10:02Is trying to silence the voices.
- 01:10:05In particular,
- 01:10:06I gave a talk about social racism.
- 01:10:09Basically in an addiction and in Iowa,
- 01:10:12and they just passed a bill
- 01:10:14that would be effective July,
- 01:10:16one that basically the majority of
- 01:10:19the context of what I share would
- 01:10:22not be allowed to be discussed,
- 01:10:24and the grand rounds format so.
- 01:10:28You know what do you do?
- 01:10:30A lot of people are out, you know,
- 01:10:32trying to make it illegal to
- 01:10:33talk about critical race theory.
- 01:10:35There are those amongst us who will continue,
- 01:10:37but people need their jobs
- 01:10:39for their survival.
- 01:10:39So I'm thinking about maybe how
- 01:10:41have you contemplated this butter?
- 01:10:42What are some creative
- 01:10:44ways to make sure that?
- 01:10:47We're able to discuss these
- 01:10:48issues and this is such a great
- 01:10:50question and thank you so much.
- 01:10:52I Anna,
- 01:10:53you know,
- 01:10:53I rely on you as as one of my
- 01:10:56close collaborators and and one
- 01:10:58of the people that is in in the
- 01:11:01fray doing this work with me.
- 01:11:03So I so appreciate you.
- 01:11:06So it is challenging and similarly to you,
- 01:11:09I'm giving a talk to next week in
- 01:11:11Texas an I was told as I was putting
- 01:11:14the talk together that I cannot
- 01:11:16have social injustice in the title
- 01:11:19and that that is a that is a while.
- 01:11:22While this speakers are very
- 01:11:24happy for me to talk about it,
- 01:11:26that that is a policy that was
- 01:11:29created by the governor and I'm
- 01:11:31not allowed to use that that term.
- 01:11:33So so there is an extreme.
- 01:11:36Push this is the retrenchment that
- 01:11:39we are seeing right now and it is.
- 01:11:42It is clear that we are seeing this
- 01:11:46retrenchment because progress is
- 01:11:48being made an and people that have
- 01:11:51power that have have been successful
- 01:11:54at holding and maintaining power
- 01:11:56to advance their needs are very
- 01:11:59effective at holding on to that power.
- 01:12:02They're very effective as at
- 01:12:04identifying what threats might.
- 01:12:07'cause their power to come into question.
- 01:12:10And so these these things are in
- 01:12:13fact clear examples of people trying
- 01:12:16to make sure that they maintain
- 01:12:18their power and that any threats to
- 01:12:21disrupt that power be neutralized.
- 01:12:24And so then the work becomes.
- 01:12:28The work becomes it's incumbent
- 01:12:31on all of us who have.
- 01:12:34Some measure of power to push back,
- 01:12:37and so I would say you know,
- 01:12:40you know we're doing this work
- 01:12:42and it's it's our responsibility
- 01:12:44to speak up and speak out and
- 01:12:47continue to speak on these things.
- 01:12:49But I actually think it's even
- 01:12:52more incumbent on people that
- 01:12:54don't look like us to do that work.
- 01:12:56It's more incumbent on all
- 01:12:58of the members of of
- 01:13:00this institution.
- 01:13:01It's all of you in here in this room.
- 01:13:05This is the work that you have to do.
- 01:13:07You have to. This is when I say
- 01:13:10speak out and and take a stand.
- 01:13:12This is the work you have to be
- 01:13:13willing to advance these concepts.
- 01:13:15You have to be willing to say no.
- 01:13:17We are going to talk about these things.
- 01:13:20We're going to.
- 01:13:20We're going to face risk and you
- 01:13:22have to be willing to take that
- 01:13:24risk as people that have greater
- 01:13:26power than than people that are kind
- 01:13:28of on the ground in the trenches.
- 01:13:30You have to be willing to
- 01:13:32absorb some of that risk,
- 01:13:33so it involves us all being braver.
- 01:13:36And recognizing that we have
- 01:13:37privilege and we have power in
- 01:13:39using that privilege and power
- 01:13:41to advance these concepts.
- 01:13:44It appears that if you send a question
- 01:13:47directly to John or me that that we are
- 01:13:49able to use the chat and one person
- 01:13:52has figured that out and question is.
- 01:13:54Great talk. Do you think that
- 01:13:56will be will ever rejoin the AP A?
- 01:13:59If So what would it take to
- 01:14:01get this question a lot?
- 01:14:04Uh, what will it take? You know,
- 01:14:06I'm I'm I'm so I I I have no desire
- 01:14:10or plans to rejoin the EPA right now,
- 01:14:14and one of the reasons why is
- 01:14:16because I have been fortunate enough
- 01:14:19to be involved in organizations
- 01:14:21where I see what real attention
- 01:14:24to these issues looks like,
- 01:14:26what real commitment to to looking
- 01:14:29at yourselves to looking at
- 01:14:31yourself as an organization to
- 01:14:33dismantling structural racism.
- 01:14:34What a real commitment looks like.
- 01:14:38And and the EPA has not demonstrated any
- 01:14:41interest in making that level of commitment.
- 01:14:44And so if at some point.
- 01:14:48That level of commitment is made up.
- 01:14:50Then I would be happy to
- 01:14:52rejoin the organization.
- 01:14:53I will tell you that that level of
- 01:14:55commitment in the organizations that I'm
- 01:14:57in where I'm seeing that work happened,
- 01:15:00I I think I'll just very clearly
- 01:15:02say to you that I'm a member of
- 01:15:04the Board of the Robert Wood
- 01:15:06Johnson Foundation that I'm seeing.
- 01:15:08I'm seeing that work play out.
- 01:15:11I've seen what a commitment of
- 01:15:13an organization to advancing
- 01:15:15racial injustice looks like,
- 01:15:17and that comes from leadership that
- 01:15:19comes from the top of the organization,
- 01:15:22and it has to be a an intrinsic
- 01:15:24value at the very top,
- 01:15:27and so if that is not a value of
- 01:15:29the leadership and then that leader
- 01:15:32has to be really brave to then be
- 01:15:35willing to push forward and take
- 01:15:38the organization in a direction
- 01:15:40in which there is risk.
- 01:15:42Severe risk involved,
- 01:15:42and again I I'm fortunate to
- 01:15:44be able to witness that happen,
- 01:15:46and I know what that looks like.
- 01:15:48I'm fortunate to be in an
- 01:15:50organization that does that,
- 01:15:51and so I don't really need to align
- 01:15:53myself with organizations that aren't there.
- 01:16:00Thank you other questions.
- 01:16:13Well, I guess I have.
- 01:16:15I'll take the prog ative of
- 01:16:17asking a question.
- 01:16:19We've we've tried to work on
- 01:16:22a curriculum that's that will
- 01:16:24help ensure our residents.
- 01:16:26We hope will ensure our residents
- 01:16:28don't go out and and promulgate was
- 01:16:30going to say health disparities.
- 01:16:32But now I'm going to say health inequities.
- 01:16:35Thank you. Well done and I
- 01:16:37was you know what were.
- 01:16:40I think one of the things that
- 01:16:41we need to work on is how do we?
- 01:16:44Evaluate or assess our presence
- 01:16:46abilities to to do that,
- 01:16:48and I was wondering if you had any
- 01:16:51ideas about about that process. Hello.
- 01:16:55Yeah, that's a challenging question.
- 01:16:58That's a really challenging question.
- 01:17:01How do we? How do we know that
- 01:17:04we are graduating residents
- 01:17:06who are structurally competent?
- 01:17:09Anne have structural humility
- 01:17:12and cultural humility.
- 01:17:14And that's again, it's really hard.
- 01:17:17You know we don't have like a.
- 01:17:19We don't have a a a set.
- 01:17:22A set of like metrics you know
- 01:17:25we have these milestones and we
- 01:17:28we we think about those things,
- 01:17:30but we don't have kind of a clear
- 01:17:34set of metrics around this.
- 01:17:37I will say that.
- 01:17:40What it would look like to me?
- 01:17:43Would be that you would know.
- 01:17:46Based on the work that people
- 01:17:49choose to go into.
- 01:17:51You would know based on if we started to see.
- 01:17:55Some small changes in in equities
- 01:17:58in in the local environment
- 01:18:00in New Haven for example I.
- 01:18:02I think that's how you would
- 01:18:05start to see that's how you
- 01:18:07would start to know and I would.
- 01:18:10I will just say that a lot of places
- 01:18:12are starting to think about how
- 01:18:15the ways that we've traditionally
- 01:18:17evaluated what is considered competent,
- 01:18:20whether that be in psychiatry or in
- 01:18:23other things is is maybe not accurate.
- 01:18:27And so I've even written about
- 01:18:29how the US news and World Report
- 01:18:31rankings for medical schools
- 01:18:33doesn't really get at any sort of
- 01:18:36clear understanding of what would
- 01:18:38make for a good provider or what
- 01:18:41makes a good hospital or what
- 01:18:44makes a good medical school.
- 01:18:47But yet we see that white coats
- 01:18:49for black lives has created a
- 01:18:52racial justice report card.
- 01:18:54Really thinks about how do you?
- 01:18:56How do you take a different set of
- 01:18:58metrics by which you're evaluating how
- 01:19:01effective the work that you're doing.
- 01:19:04So so I think that it's kind of on us.
- 01:19:08I think Bob that we have to think
- 01:19:11about creating the metrics or or
- 01:19:13borrowing the metrics that have already
- 01:19:16been in use that really are metrics
- 01:19:18that are looking at how competent
- 01:19:21or how skilled is the learner.
- 01:19:24Is the trainee on addressing
- 01:19:25issues of racial equity addressing
- 01:19:27issues of social injustice,
- 01:19:29so maybe this is a this is a competency,
- 01:19:32some sort of milestone
- 01:19:33work that we need to do.
- 01:19:35I do know that the AC Jimmy is
- 01:19:38very interested in this and is
- 01:19:40thinking about how to do this work.
- 01:19:44Thank you.
- 01:19:47Alright.
- 01:19:50John, any questions in your chest.
- 01:19:53None, none in mind. Alright,
- 01:19:58I think we're going to wrap up.
- 01:20:00It's really been a pleasure to
- 01:20:02have you Doctor Sherman and thanks
- 01:20:04so much for joining us for as our
- 01:20:07graduation speaker. Thank you and
- 01:20:08congratulations again, graduates.