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Yale Psychiatry Grand Rounds: January 7, 2022

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Yale Psychiatry Grand Rounds: January 7, 2022

January 07, 2022

"Developments and Recent Advances in Treatment of Binge Eating Disorder and Obesity"

Carlos M. Grilo, PhD, Professor of Psychiatry and of Psychology, Yale School of Medicine

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Transcript

  • 00:00Thank you very much, I appreciate it.
  • 00:03Very much the opportunity to
  • 00:06speak to folks about our work,
  • 00:08and I certainly appreciate everyone here.
  • 00:14Making the time to join us this morning
  • 00:18to hear about some of our work.
  • 00:21Again, I will provide an overview,
  • 00:24a balanced overview of
  • 00:27developments in recent advances.
  • 00:29Regarding binge eating disorder
  • 00:32and its treatment. I will try.
  • 00:36To be balanced along side that I
  • 00:39will also try to highlight a lot
  • 00:43of the work that our program here
  • 00:45at Yale has been working hard on.
  • 00:50The usual disclosures in past 24
  • 00:53months I've received royalties for
  • 00:56academic books from Guilford Press
  • 00:58and Taylor and Francis Publishers.
  • 01:00Our aims are to look at the prevalence of BD,
  • 01:06its distribution and associated
  • 01:08comorbidities,
  • 01:09talk a little bit about the
  • 01:10diagnosis of being D,
  • 01:11its clinical features,
  • 01:13and associated context that's relevant.
  • 01:15For case and clinical formulation.
  • 01:17Provide an overview of the
  • 01:21evidence base for psychological and
  • 01:24pharmacological interventions for DD.
  • 01:26And then focus a bit more on the recent
  • 01:28advances in effective treatments for being D.
  • 01:30As long as we, as,
  • 01:31along with recent advances in
  • 01:34methods for trying to gain a
  • 01:37better understanding of which
  • 01:39treatments work and for whom they
  • 01:42may work and ways to enhance them.
  • 01:46PD was included for the first time
  • 01:49as a research diagnosis in the DSM 4.
  • 01:52And then following a fair amount of research,
  • 01:55it was bumped up to a
  • 01:57formal category in the DSM.
  • 01:585 criteria are listed here.
  • 02:02The main piece that pay that's
  • 02:05really focused on perhaps too much.
  • 02:07I'll say a little bit about that a
  • 02:09little while with binge eating episodes.
  • 02:11This is a two part definition.
  • 02:13It's eating unusually large
  • 02:15quantities of food and I believe,
  • 02:19and I believe the empirical literature
  • 02:21suggests that the subjective sense of
  • 02:23loss of control that needs to accompany
  • 02:25it is actually the key feature.
  • 02:26In fact, the ICD has eliminated the need
  • 02:30for unusually large quantities of food,
  • 02:32and they focus more on a
  • 02:33subjective sense of control during.
  • 02:34Certain eating episodes,
  • 02:36but here on this side up on the
  • 02:39diagnosis requires large quantities
  • 02:41of food while experiencing a
  • 02:43subjective sense of loss of control.
  • 02:45Loss of control can be a
  • 02:48little vague for some people.
  • 02:50If you capture it as a
  • 02:51clinician and talking to them,
  • 02:53you'll see the light bulb go off.
  • 02:55If not,
  • 02:55you sometimes have to guide them
  • 02:57through it because they haven't
  • 02:58talked about this with other people
  • 03:00with the SM provides us with five
  • 03:03behavioral indicators for assessing
  • 03:04the loss of control and diagnosis.
  • 03:06Requires endorsement of at
  • 03:07least three of these.
  • 03:08These include things such as
  • 03:10eating much more rapidly than
  • 03:11usual during that episode,
  • 03:13eating large quantities of
  • 03:14food despite not being hungry,
  • 03:16eating until physically and
  • 03:18emotionally uncomfortable or painful.
  • 03:20Eating alone due to embarrassment about the
  • 03:22quantity or the nature of the eating itself,
  • 03:25and then feeling disgusted,
  • 03:27guilty, and depressed afterwards.
  • 03:28Those are strong words.
  • 03:29This is not the regret of having overeaten.
  • 03:32These are really intense emotional sequelae.
  • 03:35The diagnosis requires that there be
  • 03:37market distress about binge eating.
  • 03:39Interestingly, some people do.
  • 03:44Experience.
  • 03:46With those behavioral features
  • 03:47and the loss of control,
  • 03:49and are not particularly distressed about it.
  • 03:51The DSM would exclude those
  • 03:55people from the diagnosis.
  • 03:58The couple of exclusionary features.
  • 04:01There are no wait,
  • 04:02compensatory behaviors such as
  • 04:04the extreme restriction that
  • 04:05characterizes anorexia nervosa,
  • 04:07and there is the absence of a
  • 04:11variety of inappropriate purging
  • 04:13behaviors that characterize bleeding.
  • 04:16There no Rosa,
  • 04:17the frequency is requirements and
  • 04:20stipulations are that at least one
  • 04:23loss of control episode happened weekly
  • 04:26with the duration of at least three months.
  • 04:29This is a self monitoring record to
  • 04:31give you a quick idea from a clinical
  • 04:34perspective of what the eating
  • 04:36architecture topography may look like.
  • 04:39And it's not just so much the eating.
  • 04:41It's not so much the healthiness
  • 04:43and sometimes different eating
  • 04:44episodes can look rather similar.
  • 04:46It's when the loss of control
  • 04:48kicks in that we can categorize the
  • 04:50presence of a binge eating episode.
  • 04:53So this gentleman starts off
  • 04:54today at 7:00 o'clock,
  • 04:56through a drive-thru as a
  • 04:58toasted bagel with egg, sausage,
  • 04:59and cheese, a coffee roll,
  • 05:01large regular coffee.
  • 05:04Not a great nutritional start to the day,
  • 05:06but. Didn't concern this gentleman.
  • 05:13At 12:00 o'clock, another fast food
  • 05:15restaurant to beef burritos at beef,
  • 05:17a bean burrito and extra large soda goes
  • 05:19back to the office for Chocolate Chip
  • 05:22cookies and Work Lounge with his coworkers.
  • 05:24Gentleman arrives home and
  • 05:27he lives alone about 6:15.
  • 05:30Start thinking about ordering dinner,
  • 05:32ordering a pizza.
  • 05:34He proceeds as some chip dip and pretzels.
  • 05:38A few minutes later has
  • 05:39some crackers with cheese.
  • 05:40Has a half a bowl, leftover macaroni
  • 05:42while watching television awaits.
  • 05:43Green pizza, delivery,
  • 05:45pizza delivery finally comes on.
  • 05:47The gentleman has four
  • 05:48slices of sausage pizza,
  • 05:50a bag of chips and two sodas that's
  • 05:53experienced by him as his dinner.
  • 05:56Again, not a stellar nutritional.
  • 05:59Day, but you do see a bit of structure to
  • 06:02the day and that it's not continuous eating
  • 06:05like we sometimes see in some of these folks,
  • 06:08there are some eating episodes that are
  • 06:11roughly at mealtimes and so on and so forth.
  • 06:14An hour and a half later,
  • 06:15despite being.
  • 06:17Completely satiated.
  • 06:20Gentlemen,
  • 06:21thinking about some things against the field,
  • 06:24some distress goes back into the kitchen.
  • 06:26And proceeds to have another 4 slices of
  • 06:29the sausage pizza and finds bowl with the
  • 06:32leftover macaroni and cheese finishes.
  • 06:34It grabs 3 or 4 handfuls of chips
  • 06:37and reported literally stuffing
  • 06:40them in his mouth and then had a
  • 06:43leftover sandwich that was tucked
  • 06:45away on the side of the refrigerator.
  • 06:48During this episode he labeled
  • 06:50it as a binge eating episode.
  • 06:52He said he was eating.
  • 06:53He didn't know why he was eating.
  • 06:54He was eating rapidly.
  • 06:55He was.
  • 06:56Shoving the food in his mouth.
  • 06:58It was actually uncomfortable and he
  • 07:01felt utterly disgusted with himself.
  • 07:03If you look at the binge in the dinner,
  • 07:05just not really much of a difference there,
  • 07:07it is really the subjective
  • 07:09experience during the latter,
  • 07:10so this is not an issue around
  • 07:13overeating which most of us do
  • 07:15from time to time or frequently,
  • 07:17but rather a an episode that is very
  • 07:20salient and individuals who experience
  • 07:23these episodes are quite distressed by them.
  • 07:27How common is this?
  • 07:30Our colleagues and I.
  • 07:33Performed a epidemiologic analysis.
  • 07:38With this arc three which use DSM 5.
  • 07:43Criteria and we found that BD is
  • 07:45more prevalent than either anorexia
  • 07:47nervosa or bulimia nervosa.
  • 07:49Our estimate was a lifetime rate of .85%.
  • 07:53This rate is lower than previous studies.
  • 07:56This rate, however,
  • 07:58is consistent with the median
  • 08:00rates performed with a variety
  • 08:02of large scale European.
  • 08:04Studies.
  • 08:05Interestingly,
  • 08:06and importantly,
  • 08:08understanding the the distribution
  • 08:10is valuable for clinicians to help
  • 08:13recognize what potentially recognize
  • 08:15this problem occurs in men and women.
  • 08:18More women than men appear to
  • 08:20suffer from binge eating disorder,
  • 08:22but it does not show the market
  • 08:24gender distribution that we
  • 08:26see for anorexia nervosa.
  • 08:27In particular,
  • 08:28a BD occurs across ethnic and racial groups.
  • 08:31People of color appear to have
  • 08:35strikingly comparable rates.
  • 08:37As as wide as individuals,
  • 08:40BD occurs across all weight groups,
  • 08:43but is associated strongly with severe
  • 08:45obesity that we have a treatment confound
  • 08:47in the sense that in most clinical settings
  • 08:50most people with PD have coexisting obesity,
  • 08:54but at the national community level
  • 08:56it is found across all week groups.
  • 08:58But if you wait long enough, the excess
  • 09:01weight will eventually build the association.
  • 09:03With obesity is a strong one.
  • 09:06Large ratios there from three of the
  • 09:08major epidemiologic studies and National
  • 09:10comorbidity survey replication at a 4.9.
  • 09:14Odds ratio adjusted odds ratio.
  • 09:16The World Health Organization Mental
  • 09:18Health Study 6.6 and our analysis
  • 09:20with Nice start three point 4.6 again.
  • 09:24I emphasize that obesity and weight
  • 09:26fluctuation are most often the reasons
  • 09:28that lead people to seek treatment,
  • 09:30not to be D itself.
  • 09:33It is associated with elevated
  • 09:36risk psychiatric occurrences.
  • 09:37Nationally,
  • 09:38representative samples consistently find
  • 09:39that the majority in the vast majority,
  • 09:42nearly all patients have at least
  • 09:44one other psychiatric disorder.
  • 09:46The most common Co occurring disorders
  • 09:48are listed there in our in our analysis,
  • 09:5170% moved 68% Sud and 59% anxiety disorders.
  • 09:58These rates are fairly comparable
  • 10:00to other large scale studies.
  • 10:03This is sometimes viewed as are
  • 10:07the other eating disorders.
  • 10:08Unfortunately, as you know,
  • 10:10using unfortunate term as boutique disorders,
  • 10:12these disorders are associated with
  • 10:15high rates of chronicity and rather
  • 10:18concerning functional impairments.
  • 10:20Just as one example,
  • 10:22you're the prevalence rates that
  • 10:25we found for persons with eating
  • 10:28disorders and the adjusted odds ratios
  • 10:30for suicide attempts in persons
  • 10:33with binge eating disorder was 4.8.
  • 10:35Three,
  • 10:36that's a fairly concerning elevation
  • 10:40and risk of interest,
  • 10:42and the reasons are uncertain.
  • 10:44The onset of BD was significantly
  • 10:45more likely to proceed.
  • 10:47Suicide attempts in those
  • 10:48persons characterized with BD,
  • 10:50whereas people characterize,
  • 10:52without erexion impulsive blooming orvos,
  • 10:54it was about half and half.
  • 10:56Point being there are significant social,
  • 11:01psychosocial,
  • 11:02and functional impairments as well
  • 11:04as other kind of important health
  • 11:06indicators that these individuals
  • 11:08suffer from.
  • 11:09In terms of medical Co,
  • 11:11occurrences also has high elevated,
  • 11:14significantly elevated risk for a
  • 11:16variety of medical Cohen currencies.
  • 11:19First and foremost, obesity,
  • 11:21which I mentioned earlier,
  • 11:23but a variety of cardio,
  • 11:24metabolic problems,
  • 11:25various Crain,
  • 11:26chronic pain conditions and elevated
  • 11:29rates for a variety of these
  • 11:31medical conditions are elevated
  • 11:33even after adjusting for a variety
  • 11:35of socio demographic factors as
  • 11:37well As for adjustment for obesity.
  • 11:39The World Health Organization study
  • 11:42also found that the significant
  • 11:44associations were temporarily
  • 11:46primary be deleting or proceeding
  • 11:49subsequent medical comorbidities.
  • 11:51Something that does not come up
  • 11:53in the DSM or in a lot of kind of
  • 11:57clinical settings is a critically
  • 11:59important context that I would like
  • 12:02to highlight and that is the issue of
  • 12:05weight based stigma and negative biases.
  • 12:08To put it bluntly,
  • 12:10negative weight based stereotypes in
  • 12:12our society and similar societies
  • 12:14offer basic individuals with obesity
  • 12:17are widely viewed as lazy and lacking
  • 12:19in self discipline and in rural power.
  • 12:22Tests and and assessments
  • 12:25asking for explicit.
  • 12:27Views document this. Remarkably.
  • 12:33Stigmatising view that many of us
  • 12:36have studies that look at implicit
  • 12:40ways of getting at these attitudes.
  • 12:42Find the same.
  • 12:43I emphasize that such views exist
  • 12:45even among health care workers and
  • 12:47studies have also done documented
  • 12:50that these views are often common,
  • 12:52often present even in health care
  • 12:55workers with a specialty in the areas of
  • 12:58obesity and related metabolic problems.
  • 13:00So that's one problem.
  • 13:02The second problem is that such
  • 13:04views are often internalized
  • 13:06by the patients themselves.
  • 13:07Unlike some other discrimination
  • 13:10and stigmatizing experiences,
  • 13:11people with obesity often
  • 13:13buy into the same views,
  • 13:14and they begin to stigmatise themselves with
  • 13:18the same harsh language and harsh views.
  • 13:21So persons with obesity face.
  • 13:26Would be The Who have coexisting obesity and
  • 13:29come to us for help face weight based stigma.
  • 13:31They have long histories of being stigmatized
  • 13:34because of their size and their weight,
  • 13:36and they also have the added
  • 13:38shame about the binge eating.
  • 13:40So it's a kind of a double whammy,
  • 13:41so appreciation of the history.
  • 13:44There are many of our patients have with
  • 13:46weight based bias and discrimination
  • 13:48experiences is essential for effective care.
  • 13:51Language matters a great deal.
  • 13:53To belabor this point further,
  • 13:54this is an example.
  • 13:55This is not just bad manners.
  • 13:57This is not just we need
  • 13:59to be more respectful,
  • 14:00which I think we do.
  • 14:02This has medical consequences,
  • 14:04so just as an example analysis we
  • 14:07did with Denise Arc wave one and two,
  • 14:09we looked at weight based discrimination,
  • 14:11race based discrimination and sex
  • 14:13based discrimination and wave one and
  • 14:16associations with new cardiovascular
  • 14:21reports or incidents that we too.
  • 14:24Even after adjusting for
  • 14:26sociodemographic factors,
  • 14:27adjusting for BMI, adjusting for smoking,
  • 14:30alcohol, depression and stress,
  • 14:32we found that weight and race
  • 14:35based discrimination experiences
  • 14:37were associated with elevated odds
  • 14:40ratios for new cardiovascular.
  • 14:43Disease reports
  • 14:46adults who perceive weight
  • 14:48and racial discrimination and
  • 14:49multiple forms of discrimination.
  • 14:51The previous slide did not show the analysis.
  • 14:53We actually looked at the impacts of
  • 14:55multiple forms of discrimination may be
  • 14:57at heightened risk for certain types
  • 14:59of disease and with chronic medical
  • 15:01conditions among persons with obesity.
  • 15:03Clinically, we are starting
  • 15:04to see that stigma,
  • 15:05internalized weight biases are
  • 15:07associated with poor weight outcomes
  • 15:10and with reduced preventative care.
  • 15:12Many clinicians talk about poor
  • 15:14follow up and everything else.
  • 15:16A lot of patients when we interview
  • 15:18them and assess them overtime,
  • 15:20they often attribute the limited
  • 15:23follow-up to unfortunate and
  • 15:25stigmatising experiences.
  • 15:28Another aspect of binge eating disorder
  • 15:30that I wish to highlight and this,
  • 15:31I think is a major diagnostic
  • 15:34shortcoming in the DSM is the absence
  • 15:37of a body image criterion for BD body.
  • 15:41Image criteria are front Center for
  • 15:44Nexium and for bulimia nervosa.
  • 15:47We know that body image concerns are
  • 15:50much stronger in persons with BD than
  • 15:53in persons with obesity without BD.
  • 15:55Overvaluation of shape and weight
  • 15:58which is indistinct.
  • 16:00Construct this is not being unsatisfied
  • 16:02with one's weight and shape,
  • 16:03which in Western cultures is
  • 16:05merely normative. If you will.
  • 16:07This is a cognitive process by which
  • 16:11people defined define their primary
  • 16:13worth as a human being based on their
  • 16:16ability to control their weight or
  • 16:18shape or what their weight and shape
  • 16:20is viewed as and for whatever reason.
  • 16:23It was not a diagnostic criterion
  • 16:26or specifier for BDE to DSM 5.
  • 16:28A series of our studies in clinical.
  • 16:31Community convenience sample that
  • 16:34epidemiologic samples demonstrated
  • 16:36overvaluation was associated with
  • 16:38greater severity in a variety
  • 16:41of these adult samples.
  • 16:43We have done predictor analysis with
  • 16:45a variety of trials and we found
  • 16:48that its overvaluation is associated
  • 16:50with poor treatment outcomes.
  • 16:52The figure to the bottom there shows
  • 16:56rather a significant difference at
  • 16:58follow up between patients who had
  • 17:01overvaluation and higher levels
  • 17:03of valuation at baseline,
  • 17:05so it predicts poor outcomes.
  • 17:08It predicts and is associated with
  • 17:10poor functioning and variety of ways.
  • 17:12I feel it should be.
  • 17:13Diagnostic specifier or criterion.
  • 17:15But regardless of that,
  • 17:17in your case formulation,
  • 17:19it is an important thing to assess
  • 17:22and to understand very few moderators
  • 17:24of treatment have been identified
  • 17:26in the first study there that
  • 17:31JC P222 2012 paper we actually
  • 17:33found a very useful moderator
  • 17:35effect in that if you had
  • 17:37people high in overvaluation,
  • 17:39they did better in CBT,
  • 17:42and if you gave them
  • 17:44pharmacotherapy without CBT,
  • 17:46they did. Rather miserably
  • 17:51so let me belabor this a little bit further.
  • 17:56Then that that that kind of crawling
  • 17:59through the importance of overvaluation,
  • 18:01comes from our traditional
  • 18:03models of psychopathology.
  • 18:05A little bit about a complementary
  • 18:07approach which involves network analysis.
  • 18:09Uhm? Again, our traditional models
  • 18:12view symptoms as somehow emerging
  • 18:14from some sort of underlying entity.
  • 18:16If you, if you will network models,
  • 18:19you disorders and ever in
  • 18:21a in a very different way.
  • 18:23That there are these symptoms,
  • 18:25they're interconnected.
  • 18:27They influence one another.
  • 18:28They are maintained by one another
  • 18:30and they interact with one another.
  • 18:32If we are able to find ways to quantify.
  • 18:38The symptom interactions.
  • 18:41Within, you know some sort
  • 18:43of hypothetical construct.
  • 18:45We can then identify the
  • 18:46symptoms that are most central.
  • 18:48Again, the most central
  • 18:50being the key lingo there.
  • 18:52And the way that this is manifested
  • 18:54on the on the left side on
  • 18:55the blue you have the circles.
  • 18:57Those are symptoms.
  • 19:00Symptoms.
  • 19:02The lingo in in in that field is nodes and
  • 19:06then you have the various lines you see all
  • 19:09sorts of lines between all the symptoms.
  • 19:11The lines are called edges. In that system,
  • 19:13the thicker the edges the the stronger.
  • 19:18Interactions and and the connections.
  • 19:20So the most central symptoms in the
  • 19:22network are those that caused most
  • 19:25others or internal caused by most others.
  • 19:28If you look on the right,
  • 19:30the red you can see the rank ordering of
  • 19:33the centrality and overvaluation of shaping
  • 19:35and weight are the core symptoms of the.
  • 19:39So that's another.
  • 19:41Reason I think that overvaluation of
  • 19:44weight and shape is an important aspect.
  • 19:47So in terms of treatment needs is
  • 19:49a complicated construct and binge
  • 19:51eating behaviors. The disordered,
  • 19:52unhealthy eating outside the binge,
  • 19:54eating associated cognitive features,
  • 19:56the obesity, the medical comorbidities,
  • 19:59psychiatric comorbidity,
  • 20:00body image, in particular,
  • 20:01valuation of shape and weight and larger,
  • 20:04broader structural context that obesity,
  • 20:07stigma and discrimination experiences.
  • 20:13Well, a lot of people with BDC treatment
  • 20:16but they don't seek treatment for BDD.
  • 20:19Here when we looked at this and niece
  • 20:21are less than half people reported
  • 20:24every seeking treatment for BD.
  • 20:26When they do seek treat on that,
  • 20:28by the way, is particularly striking
  • 20:30for men and for people of color.
  • 20:33When they do seek treatments for other
  • 20:34things and when they are in treatment
  • 20:37for whether it's medical comorbidities
  • 20:38or psychiatric comorbidities,
  • 20:40they are rarely asked about their
  • 20:42binge eating. They're often.
  • 20:46Counseled or told or criticized for their
  • 20:50eating behaviors and their weight, perhaps,
  • 20:52but they're never asked about their body.
  • 20:55Image concerns and never asked about
  • 20:57any kind of binge eating patterns.
  • 20:59This large scale survey with over 20,000 US
  • 21:04adults found that of those with PD diagnosis.
  • 21:07Only three point.
  • 21:092% of them had been diagnosed by
  • 21:13any of their health care providers.
  • 21:16So it goes unrecognized.
  • 21:17Good news is this is something if
  • 21:20we can recognize that there are a
  • 21:22variety of treatment options available.
  • 21:24Start with pharmacol therapy.
  • 21:27Small RCT's have found that a variety
  • 21:30of medications are superior to placebo.
  • 21:32Food duesing binge eating,
  • 21:33at least over the short term.
  • 21:35The effects from an effect size perspective
  • 21:38are not particularly oppressive.
  • 21:40Except for topiramate.
  • 21:43Agents at the epileptic agent,
  • 21:45which reduces both binge eating
  • 21:46and weight over the short term.
  • 21:48Most of the medications taste tested to date,
  • 21:50have yielded minimal losses.
  • 21:53Sadly,
  • 21:53there's only one FDA approved
  • 21:56medication for BED.
  • 21:57Currently that's listex feta
  • 21:59mean it's a prodrug stimulant.
  • 22:01Those of you who work with
  • 22:03ADHD know that as Vyvanse,
  • 22:05this is the only FDA approved
  • 22:07medication for BD.
  • 22:08By the way,
  • 22:09there are no FDA approved medications
  • 22:11for anorexia nervosa and ferocity is
  • 22:13the only FDA approved medication for
  • 22:16bulimia nervosa going to present some
  • 22:18emerging findings for various medications.
  • 22:20And I should note that there's almost
  • 22:22no data existing regarding the longer
  • 22:24term effects of pharmacotherapy
  • 22:25and not lead up to some of the
  • 22:27studies that we're doing at power.
  • 22:28Now to try to address that,
  • 22:30the available studies,
  • 22:31mostly hours,
  • 22:32have found that seeking to be a
  • 22:35superior to medications over the long haul.
  • 22:37These are the.
  • 22:38This is the summary slide of
  • 22:41pivotal findings from the trials
  • 22:43from from this text that feta
  • 22:45mean that led to the FDA approval.
  • 22:48LDX at dosing of 50 to 70
  • 22:52milligrams over 12 week period.
  • 22:54Separated significantly from
  • 22:56placebo with pretty good effect.
  • 22:58Sizes .83 and higher.
  • 23:02And if you look at categorical remission,
  • 23:04rates are complete.
  • 23:06Abstinence from binge eating.
  • 23:08The remission rates were 36% and
  • 23:1140% versus 13% and 14% for placebo.
  • 23:19We also did a study out,
  • 23:21collaborated on study with Destro Lean.
  • 23:24This is a DNR inhibitor.
  • 23:27The design of the study was
  • 23:29almost identical to the LVX.
  • 23:33Pivotal studies one was a flexible dose
  • 23:38and it was superior to placebo for
  • 23:41reducing binge eating or remission.
  • 23:43Rate was 47% versus 21%.
  • 23:47A fixed dose follow-up study
  • 23:49found that 6 milligrams but not
  • 23:524 milligrams was superior to
  • 23:54placebo for reducing binge eating.
  • 23:57The remission rates at the categorical level
  • 23:59in the three doses were not significant.
  • 24:03The company, by the way,
  • 24:04has decided not to do additional
  • 24:06studies to pursue FDA approval.
  • 24:08In terms of psychological treatment,
  • 24:11a variety of focal manualized
  • 24:14treatments are available.
  • 24:15CBT interpersonal psychotherapy behavior,
  • 24:17weight loss and a lot of folks
  • 24:20have tried combining psychological
  • 24:22and pharmacological treatments.
  • 24:24Not going to show some of the
  • 24:26data that are weaker,
  • 24:27but I should highlight my clinical
  • 24:30perspective that there is no support
  • 24:32and I emphasize the no support
  • 24:34for the common clinical war about
  • 24:37integrating different treatments.
  • 24:40One of the major studies that was
  • 24:43published back in 2010 through the
  • 24:45multi site study Wilson Wolfley
  • 24:47in their sights alone Stanford.
  • 24:49They found interpersonal psychotherapy,
  • 24:51behavioral weight loss and cognitive
  • 24:53behavioral therapy produced
  • 24:54these effects which were roughly
  • 24:5660% remission rates for.
  • 24:58Call the remission rates.
  • 25:01Precaution compare cross study,
  • 25:02but we call it remission rates that I had
  • 25:05noted for the pharmacotherapy Albany studies.
  • 25:07So these were three different treatments.
  • 25:09They are conceptually behaviourally and
  • 25:12procedurally distinct focal treatments,
  • 25:14but they produce 60% roughly remission
  • 25:18rates and then after the these brief
  • 25:22treatments was particularly impressive.
  • 25:24Here are the durable effects,
  • 25:26particularly for interpersonal
  • 25:27psychotherapy and for cognitive
  • 25:29behavioral therapy where the the.
  • 25:31Benefits were very well
  • 25:34sustained for two years.
  • 25:37After the completion and
  • 25:40discontinuation of the treatments,
  • 25:41behavioral weight loss showed
  • 25:43a little bit less durability,
  • 25:46but still at 2 year follow up we
  • 25:48still had 40% of people who were.
  • 25:52Abstinent and that's nothing to sneeze about.
  • 25:55This was one of our.
  • 25:57Relatively early studies here at power.
  • 26:01That compare cognitive behavioral
  • 26:03and behavioral weight loss for BD.
  • 26:06A little bit of historical context
  • 26:09for this study and and some of this
  • 26:12is beginning to resurface again.
  • 26:14Which you know comes around
  • 26:16goes around I guess.
  • 26:17There for decades there were longstanding.
  • 26:22Controversial in fact,
  • 26:23rather heated claims by some
  • 26:26groups that behavioral weight
  • 26:28loss was not only ineffective,
  • 26:29but might actually exacerbate binge eating
  • 26:32and might exacerbate eating disorder.
  • 26:34Psychopathology and those individuals
  • 26:36who had excess weight or obesity
  • 26:39and also had binge eating.
  • 26:41Some of those models followed the
  • 26:43early restraint models of excessive
  • 26:45restrictive restraint leading to binge
  • 26:48eating and a bunch of groups took that.
  • 26:50And we're pretty passionate about.
  • 26:53As being a contraindicated treatment,
  • 26:56obesity feels I'm eating sort of
  • 26:57fields were not really on the same
  • 26:59page about this and I would get
  • 27:00very different messages depending
  • 27:01on which places I would go to,
  • 27:04present findings, and so forth.
  • 27:06I emphasize,
  • 27:07for those of you who do not know
  • 27:09that behavioral weight loss is
  • 27:11not a rigid or restrictive diet,
  • 27:13but it's rather a balanced,
  • 27:14moderate lifestyle approach to
  • 27:16eating and physical activity,
  • 27:18and it's delivered within the
  • 27:20context of a very solid learning
  • 27:22theory and behavioral therapy.
  • 27:25Platform, so we did this CBT versus
  • 27:28BWL versus a third condition
  • 27:30which was CBT followed by BW.
  • 27:33Well we maximize the horse race so to speak.
  • 27:37Given the historical context I provided and
  • 27:40here are the findings of post treatment.
  • 27:42Six month and 12 month follow
  • 27:44up on the left side for percent
  • 27:46limited on right side 4%.
  • 27:50BMI loss at 12 month follow-up
  • 27:53ITT remission rates were about
  • 27:5650% for CBT and 36% for BWL.
  • 28:02Mixed models analysis again.
  • 28:04ITT revealed a significant
  • 28:06advantage for CBT over BWL,
  • 28:08for reducing binge eating and mixed
  • 28:10models revealed a significant advantage
  • 28:13for BWL over CBT for reducing weight
  • 28:15at least through post treatment.
  • 28:18The failure of CBT to produce
  • 28:20any weight loss.
  • 28:21Or essentially no weight loss is a
  • 28:23consistent finding in our center and
  • 28:25centers nationally and internationally.
  • 28:27The findings we see here for BWL,
  • 28:29have been replicated a number of times since.
  • 28:35Before I go onto the new wave of studies,
  • 28:39one criticism that I often hear about
  • 28:42these kinds of manualized treatments is
  • 28:44that you can do them in your specialized
  • 28:47up sessional research clinics.
  • 28:49But how do they apply to real world clinics?
  • 28:53I don't buy that.
  • 28:55Regardless of what I buy here,
  • 28:56here at the data we did a study
  • 28:58with the Yale Hispanic Center
  • 29:00with the Yale Hispanic Clinic.
  • 29:02Excuse me in which we delivered manualized
  • 29:05behavioral weight loss treatment,
  • 29:07which was a hybrid of our behavioral
  • 29:09weight loss manual and the VP
  • 29:12the diabetes Prevention Program
  • 29:14behavioral Weight Loss Manual.
  • 29:15The treatments were delivered in
  • 29:18Spanish by the clinicians there.
  • 29:21The patients there have every
  • 29:24imaginable socio economic.
  • 29:26And educational disadvantage and you
  • 29:27see here a summary of the findings.
  • 29:30Completion rates were over 80%.
  • 29:33Patient did great.
  • 29:34The clinician bought into the treatment.
  • 29:36The patient brought into the treatment
  • 29:38and the outcomes are outstanding with
  • 29:40over 60% remission at post treatment
  • 29:42and six months after the completion
  • 29:45and discontinuation of treatment.
  • 29:4750% of the patients were still
  • 29:49absent from binge eating,
  • 29:50so those are significant durable outcomes.
  • 29:53My point here it is possible
  • 29:55to train and it is possible.
  • 29:56Disseminate these focal manualized
  • 29:59treatments to real-world settings.
  • 30:03Common question, well,
  • 30:04these this is complicated.
  • 30:06Should I take out the bazooka
  • 30:08and combine treatments with
  • 30:09more difficult patients?
  • 30:14So far the answer is no.
  • 30:16Adding pharmacotherapy to cognitive
  • 30:17behavioral therapy has failed to enhance
  • 30:20binge eating outcomes in six of the
  • 30:22seven relevant studies published to date.
  • 30:24Again, in a little while,
  • 30:25we'll see some of ongoing studies where
  • 30:27we have picked medications that have
  • 30:29a little bit more clinical rationale
  • 30:31are supposedly a bit more synergistic.
  • 30:33From a mechanistic perspective in a
  • 30:36story may change overtime, but so far,
  • 30:38based on the available data,
  • 30:40there is no noted.
  • 30:42Notable advantage to adding
  • 30:43pharmacotherapy to CBT for enhancing
  • 30:46the binge eating outcome.
  • 30:47Saying it goes for weight loss except for
  • 30:51the CORDINO study which found at Pyro mate,
  • 30:56significantly enhanced
  • 30:57short term weight loss.
  • 31:00Achievable CBT as well as enhanced the.
  • 31:07The the binge eating outcomes.
  • 31:09There's no, there's no support
  • 31:11for combining as a way to enhance
  • 31:14the behavioral treatments.
  • 31:16The flip side is not true.
  • 31:17We studied it produced that
  • 31:18in the other direction,
  • 31:19in which adding behavioral or
  • 31:21cognitive behavioral to the
  • 31:23pharmacotherapy did enhance both
  • 31:25retention and clinical outcomes.
  • 31:30Finally, to some of the
  • 31:31work that we're doing now.
  • 31:34Been trying and struggling with my
  • 31:37colleagues to find new designs and
  • 31:40RCT's that perhaps bear a greater
  • 31:43resemblance to treatments and
  • 31:45treatment approaches in real settings.
  • 31:48A lot of the RCT's reviewed
  • 31:51up until this point.
  • 31:53The basic question is which
  • 31:55treatment can help the most?
  • 31:57Or which treatment can
  • 31:59help the most patients.
  • 32:01A lot of work in the past
  • 32:02ten years in our field,
  • 32:04another field has looked at step care models.
  • 32:06These often consider scalable,
  • 32:09less costly methods.
  • 32:10Prior to moving on to more intensive
  • 32:13treatments when there is an insufficient
  • 32:16response, that's very logical.
  • 32:17It makes sense.
  • 32:18There are cost effectiveness
  • 32:19reasons for doing that.
  • 32:21They're scholarly reasons for doing that.
  • 32:23The the National Institute
  • 32:25of Clinical Excellence,
  • 32:26the Nice guidelines in the UK,
  • 32:29not very scholarly approach to guidelines.
  • 32:32I feel, in fact,
  • 32:34suggests that start with a guided self
  • 32:37help form of cognitive behavioral therapy.
  • 32:41And only if the patient
  • 32:43doesn't benefit enough,
  • 32:44you move on to a more intensive full
  • 32:48blown and more expensive treatment that
  • 32:50makes sense from a cost perspective.
  • 32:52It might make sense from a
  • 32:54broad community perspective.
  • 32:55Make sense from an availability
  • 32:57perspective there only so many
  • 32:59specialist clinicians on and on but.
  • 33:02As you'll see,
  • 33:03there are some potential glitches to that,
  • 33:05so one of the things we've been thinking
  • 33:08about are more complex models of care.
  • 33:10And instead of just the usual
  • 33:12stepped care approaches,
  • 33:13we've thought about some adaptive approaches,
  • 33:16and this comes out of analysis
  • 33:18that we've done with previous
  • 33:20trials where we have looked at
  • 33:22initial responses in patients,
  • 33:24so coral so called early rapid response.
  • 33:28As a way to guide subsequent clinical
  • 33:31decision making and this also fits
  • 33:33with an important development in
  • 33:35several fields so called smart designs
  • 33:38stands for sequential multiple
  • 33:40assignment randomization trials.
  • 33:44Early on, back in 2016,
  • 33:47we published a paper in which we
  • 33:49looked at the pattern of response
  • 33:51to CBT and to phylloxera teen
  • 33:54treatment for binge eating disorder.
  • 33:56And we found that the majority of
  • 33:59the treatment advances and benefits
  • 34:00happened in the first two weeks.
  • 34:05And then we did a variety of analysis
  • 34:08and we found that this rapid response
  • 34:11was highly predictive of who?
  • 34:16Remitted at the end of treatment.
  • 34:19But we also found that
  • 34:20the pattern was differed.
  • 34:22It was different for different treatment.
  • 34:23So if you did not have a rapid response.
  • 34:27Medication staying with the medication
  • 34:29did not have any added benefit.
  • 34:32If you didn't have an added.
  • 34:34If you didn't have a rapid response
  • 34:37to CBT and you stayed with CBT,
  • 34:40there was kind of a sleeper effect
  • 34:42and eventually you caught up.
  • 34:43We have since replicated that in a
  • 34:45variety of ways with a variety of
  • 34:47treatments with the CBT findings
  • 34:48being replicated over and over again.
  • 34:50But importantly,
  • 34:51we have found that for medication
  • 34:53treatments with various medications
  • 34:54that if you don't get a quick response.
  • 34:57Better off switching the person
  • 34:59sooner rather than later.
  • 35:00Most clinicians I think.
  • 35:01Well, let's let's wait a few more weeks.
  • 35:03Let's wait a few more months
  • 35:05that that I don't support that.
  • 35:07But interestingly, we did an analysis.
  • 35:10We did a couple of these.
  • 35:11In fact,
  • 35:12different trials with behavioral weight loss,
  • 35:14and we found an interesting finding.
  • 35:16If you had a rapid response
  • 35:18to behavioral weight loss.
  • 35:20That was highly predictive of of really
  • 35:23good longer term outcomes in both binge
  • 35:26eating remission and in weight loss.
  • 35:29Remember,
  • 35:29CBT does not produce weight loss.
  • 35:32So that.
  • 35:33Let us to this design.
  • 35:36This is one of our first
  • 35:38adaptive smart approaches to BD.
  • 35:40We start on the left side of the figure
  • 35:42with the first step care randomization.
  • 35:45We randomized people to either VWL
  • 35:47behavioral weight loss for six
  • 35:49months as the standard treatment,
  • 35:52the other condition we considered was
  • 35:54obviously CBT as you Norma CBT guy,
  • 35:56why did we pick BW?
  • 35:57Well, two pragmatic reasons.
  • 35:59BWL produces weight loss which
  • 36:00is an important clinical outcome
  • 36:02and and there are many many more.
  • 36:04Clinicians trained in doing behavioral
  • 36:06weight loss than they are in doing
  • 36:10cognitive behavioral therapy.
  • 36:11For better or for worse,
  • 36:12that was our thinking. This step?
  • 36:14Care randomization.
  • 36:15We start people with behavioral
  • 36:16weight loss for one month.
  • 36:17At the end of one month we stopped
  • 36:20and we see how people are doing.
  • 36:22If they are doing great,
  • 36:23we label those as as rapid responders.
  • 36:28We had an algorithm based on
  • 36:31several Roc analysis that we did
  • 36:33with different trials before and
  • 36:34we landed on a 70% reduction in
  • 36:36binge eating by the 4th week as our
  • 36:39marker for doing for doing well,
  • 36:41and if they weren't doing well.
  • 36:44We label them as non responders and
  • 36:46we switched treatment so if they
  • 36:47were doing well, it's not broken.
  • 36:49Don't fix it,
  • 36:49keep doing it and try to do it
  • 36:51better so we continue with the
  • 36:53beat up you well and we also
  • 36:55randomized them to an obesity.
  • 36:57I'm sorry.
  • 36:57Weight loss medication what to
  • 36:59a placebo and if they were not
  • 37:01doing well we randomized them
  • 37:02to an alternative treatment.
  • 37:03Cognitive behavioral therapy guided
  • 37:04self help with some people say treatment
  • 37:07of choice sort of good place to start.
  • 37:09And we also randomized them
  • 37:11to weight loss. Medication.
  • 37:14Or placebo in a double blind fashion.
  • 37:16And then we followed them up.
  • 37:19Our findings are summarized here.
  • 37:21We had remission rates in the two conditions,
  • 37:23which did not differ significantly
  • 37:26of 74% and 67%,
  • 37:27so we're getting a little bit better with
  • 37:30this behavioral weight loss treatment.
  • 37:33As we've seen this kind of
  • 37:35steady creeping factor,
  • 37:37so getting a little bit better each
  • 37:40time we've refined our treatments
  • 37:41based on some other lessons
  • 37:42we've learned from each trial.
  • 37:44And the right.
  • 37:46Slide shows the remission rates
  • 37:49within the different cells within
  • 37:51the different step care arms.
  • 37:54Adding the medication didn't
  • 37:55seem to do much with either.
  • 37:58The people who had an initial response
  • 38:00and did not have an initial response
  • 38:02in terms of weight loss is the left
  • 38:05slide shows the overall findings from
  • 38:07step care versus behavioral weight loss,
  • 38:09and you see that the treatments did
  • 38:11not change did not differ either
  • 38:13in terms of the time course of
  • 38:15weight or the outcome at the end.
  • 38:16Six month treatments.
  • 38:18The right slide,
  • 38:20which is beyond today's scope
  • 38:22for good obsessional,
  • 38:23does look at some people who did.
  • 38:27Depending on which treatment they were in,
  • 38:28adding a weight loss medication did help.
  • 38:31Some of the weight loss,
  • 38:33which is fairly logical,
  • 38:34but overall it did lead to
  • 38:36a difference with the.
  • 38:37With the standard treatment.
  • 38:40Good news is 6 months,
  • 38:4212 months after the completion
  • 38:45of discontinuation of these.
  • 38:50These treatments,
  • 38:51the remission rates, were fairly well.
  • 38:54They're not at quite in that
  • 38:56same stratosphere of 67 and 74%,
  • 38:59but remission rates were still
  • 39:0245% and 41% at 12 months,
  • 39:05which is not differ significantly between
  • 39:07the standard and it's destep care.
  • 39:09Mixed models of binge eating frequency.
  • 39:11So binge eating frequency,
  • 39:13considered continuously.
  • 39:14We're also not significant between
  • 39:16the two treatment conditions and,
  • 39:18importantly, to drop off.
  • 39:19From post to 12 month follow-up
  • 39:22was not significant.
  • 39:2512 month follow up at percent
  • 39:27weight loss in the step care.
  • 39:30I was a little bit less than the
  • 39:33behavioral weight loss where we
  • 39:35actually hit a mean of 5% weight loss.
  • 39:39At 12 months after treatment,
  • 39:415% is often used as a marker in the
  • 39:43obesity field as potentially approaching
  • 39:45a clinically meaningful amount of weight.
  • 39:52We then designed this study.
  • 39:57Funded by NIH, in which we are finally
  • 40:01getting to the point where we have.
  • 40:04Different artillery available to us,
  • 40:06so we now have medications that seem
  • 40:09to potentially have greater benefit for
  • 40:11conceptually addressing the binge eating,
  • 40:14and more importantly,
  • 40:15they are a little bit more potent
  • 40:17for producing weight loss,
  • 40:19and that can be tolerated.
  • 40:21This is a study with naltrexone
  • 40:24bupropion combination medication
  • 40:25that's FDA approved for weight loss.
  • 40:28In this study, we had a balance
  • 40:31two by two factorial design, so.
  • 40:34You get behavioral weight loss,
  • 40:36yes or no.
  • 40:36You get naltrexone,
  • 40:37be appropriate or placebo in
  • 40:40double blind fashion that heals for
  • 40:43treatment conditions and the treatment
  • 40:45conditions went on for 16 weeks.
  • 40:47The behavioral weight loss by a
  • 40:50doctoral clinicians followed protocol
  • 40:52that had been well established.
  • 40:54Treatments with done well.
  • 40:57No,
  • 40:57I didn't hear 2 manuals and and and
  • 41:00so forth and then at the end of the
  • 41:03six weeks we conduct a post treatment
  • 41:05assessment and we see how they're doing.
  • 41:08If they responded to the initial
  • 41:10stage one treatments we?
  • 41:12Re randomize them to naltrexone placebo,
  • 41:16or to placebo.
  • 41:17This, as answer the very important question,
  • 41:20which, remarkably,
  • 41:21there is a dearth of data
  • 41:23available for clinicians.
  • 41:24Which is,
  • 41:24if you have a patient who
  • 41:26has responded to treatment.
  • 41:27Just keeping them or putting them on
  • 41:30a weight loss medication help them to
  • 41:35maintain their progress remarkably,
  • 41:37there's only one randomized control
  • 41:40test of a maintenance medication for BD,
  • 41:44and I was with LDX and LDX continuing
  • 41:47after the two treatment did
  • 41:49significantly reduce the chances of relapse,
  • 41:52so this is only the second such study.
  • 41:55We didn't have an exploratory arm
  • 41:56that what do you do with the people
  • 41:59who don't benefit to these two?
  • 42:00Presumably decent treatments.
  • 42:02One of the FDA approved medication and BWL.
  • 42:05I showed you all the data before.
  • 42:06Well here we switched them to CBT
  • 42:09here we learned from the previous.
  • 42:12Design where we switched them
  • 42:14to cognitive behavioral therapy.
  • 42:15Guided self help.
  • 42:16I was perhaps overly influenced by
  • 42:18Nice because I went to guided self
  • 42:20help but didn't seem to do enough.
  • 42:22So here we switch him to the full
  • 42:24blown CBT to see if that helps
  • 42:26the non responders.
  • 42:29Yeah, findings for you.
  • 42:30This is hot off the press.
  • 42:32We just did the analysis
  • 42:33over the last couple weeks.
  • 42:34Thank you relypsa.
  • 42:37We randomized 136 patients with PD
  • 42:40and obesity and here are the remission
  • 42:42rates at the end of treatment on
  • 42:45the left side in the blue box,
  • 42:47remission rates were significant for
  • 42:50behavioral weight loss and for naltrexone,
  • 42:52but the interaction was not significant.
  • 42:55When you consider the four cell design
  • 42:57in each of the active treatments were
  • 43:00significantly superior to placebo.
  • 43:02I do not show a graph here
  • 43:04for binge eating frequency,
  • 43:06but we saw the same rapid response
  • 43:09in binge eating frequency.
  • 43:11The decrease was significant for
  • 43:14being for behavioral weight loss.
  • 43:17It was not significant for naltrexone
  • 43:20bupropion nor was the interaction
  • 43:23significant the right slide.
  • 43:25So shows 5% weight loss categories.
  • 43:27The rate was the proportion meeting
  • 43:30this category was significant for BWL.
  • 43:33But not not trackson be propri
  • 43:36on and percent weight loss.
  • 43:38Considered continuously,
  • 43:38however,
  • 43:39was significant for BWL and for
  • 43:41now tracks don't be propri on as
  • 43:44well As for an interaction effect.
  • 43:45Again there wouldn't consider weight
  • 43:47loss as a percent continuously.
  • 43:50Each active treatment with
  • 43:53significantly superior to placebo.
  • 43:56We do not yet have the findings
  • 43:58were nearly done with the stage
  • 44:01two trial on whether behavioral
  • 44:03now trackson bupropion is superior
  • 44:05to placebo for preventing relapse.
  • 44:08Hopefully we can present that
  • 44:10down down the line,
  • 44:11but that's one of the
  • 44:12things we're looking at.
  • 44:13And we are also looking at ultrex
  • 44:16zone bupropion versus placebo
  • 44:17in a different study.
  • 44:19This is with our colleagues in.
  • 44:22Sherry Mackey's groups there,
  • 44:24that's a straight medication versus placebo,
  • 44:29designed with slightly more folks allocated
  • 44:32to the two medication conditions,
  • 44:34and she has embedded a nifty laboratory.
  • 44:40Eating paradigm to look at
  • 44:44behavioral and metabolic.
  • 44:46Correlate's,
  • 44:47and as moderators and potential
  • 44:49mediators have changed with
  • 44:51the medication treatment.
  • 44:55This is another ongoing smart design that
  • 44:58we have when we talk you through the.
  • 45:02Through the treatment. Come sell here,
  • 45:05this is a straight horse race from the
  • 45:08supposed leading treatments for BDL.
  • 45:10DX is the soul. Medication approved
  • 45:14by the FDA for binge eating disorder.
  • 45:17CBT is in in most guidelines and most
  • 45:20meta analysis and reviews considered
  • 45:23the leading psychological treatment
  • 45:25for BDD and we then did CBT plus LDX.
  • 45:30There is no control,
  • 45:32no placebo condition here as
  • 45:35both active treatments have.
  • 45:37Clearly demonstrated efficacy and
  • 45:39effectiveness in variety of setting.
  • 45:43The study here is how to
  • 45:46compare the two treatments.
  • 45:48The three treatments overtime.
  • 45:51Three month treatments.
  • 45:52That's the labeling for the LDX we
  • 45:55have manuals for CBT for 12 weeks,
  • 45:5820 weeks, 24 weeks and our effects.
  • 46:01Our comparable so the treatments
  • 46:03are nicely matched in that way.
  • 46:05At post treatment we assess again
  • 46:08a response based randomization.
  • 46:10If you were in either of the
  • 46:13LDX medication treatments,
  • 46:14you get re randomized.
  • 46:16If you were a responder to either LDX
  • 46:20or to placebo to see whether LDX.
  • 46:23Is superior to placebo
  • 46:24for preventing relapse.
  • 46:25This would be a replication of the
  • 46:27Hudson and all the sole report
  • 46:29in the literature that was in
  • 46:31JAMA Psychiatry suggesting that
  • 46:32the medicine prevents relapse.
  • 46:34If you were a non responder here,
  • 46:37we had much debate here with you.
  • 46:41Assign them to.
  • 46:42We took a cookie cutter approach.
  • 46:44We assign them to a different medication
  • 46:46that has a completely different.
  • 46:51Mechanism of action if you will.
  • 46:52So we chose naltrexone,
  • 46:55bupropion and our comparison condition
  • 46:58over the stage two is CBT that had
  • 47:01received CBT without any medication.
  • 47:04They received no further intervention,
  • 47:07and then we assess them at post
  • 47:09treatment and then at 6 and 12
  • 47:12months after this continually discuss
  • 47:14discontinuing the second stage treatments.
  • 47:16We do not have the findings for you.
  • 47:18As of yesterday.
  • 47:19I believe we had 84 people.
  • 47:21Randomized and nearly completed
  • 47:23treatment and stage one,
  • 47:26but we don't have those
  • 47:28outcomes to share with you yet.
  • 47:32Much of our work is evolved in
  • 47:35terms of trying to predict and
  • 47:37understand treatment outcomes.
  • 47:39One of the most common questions
  • 47:41that I get asked is, you know,
  • 47:44most of my patients have
  • 47:46comorbidity with treatments.
  • 47:47Should I use should I combine?
  • 47:48Should I add medications?
  • 47:50This is analysis that Janet
  • 47:53Whitaker and I did.
  • 47:54Australia this year.
  • 47:55Last year I should say.
  • 47:57And we examined psychiatric comorbidity
  • 47:59as a predictor and moderator or treatment
  • 48:02outcomes and an aggregated sample.
  • 48:04636 patients with BD who had received CBT,
  • 48:07behavioral weight loss medication,
  • 48:08plus therapy and controls
  • 48:10comorbidity predicted,
  • 48:11worst BD outcomes overall
  • 48:13and across treatments but did
  • 48:16not interact with treatments.
  • 48:17And it did not moderate binge
  • 48:20eating nor weight loss treatments.
  • 48:22So there's some evidence that if
  • 48:24you have a mood disorder you may do.
  • 48:26More poorly overall.
  • 48:29But that does not signal the
  • 48:31need for a combined treatment
  • 48:32or for a specific treatment.
  • 48:34I will remind you, however,
  • 48:36that this analysis,
  • 48:37the overall finding included
  • 48:38control conditions.
  • 48:39We do not find this kind of effect
  • 48:42from major depression or for
  • 48:44depression considered dimensionally.
  • 48:46Using a variety of rating scales as a
  • 48:49significant predictor or moderate are.
  • 48:50So that's I think a fairly definitive
  • 48:53answer to one of the most common
  • 48:55questions that is asked of me,
  • 48:57particularly by clinical psychiatrist.
  • 49:01Another way that we have tried
  • 49:05to predict treatment is here.
  • 49:07Earlier on I indicated that finding
  • 49:10reliable predictors of treatment and I just
  • 49:12showed you the the comorbidity findings,
  • 49:14which is a logical clinical thing to
  • 49:17look at to people comorbidity to worse.
  • 49:19Overall they do not and they certainly
  • 49:21don't point to a specific available
  • 49:23treatment that we have tested today.
  • 49:28A different way.
  • 49:31Again, we have found one reliable
  • 49:34treated predictor which is
  • 49:36actually a treatment process,
  • 49:37and that's rapid response,
  • 49:39which is why we built these smart
  • 49:41designs around that our reliable
  • 49:43predictor and the overvaluation of
  • 49:45shape and weight was the only other
  • 49:48thing a body image criterion that
  • 49:51predicted some outcomes in some trials,
  • 49:55and it actually moderated CBT
  • 49:58versus peroxide treatments.
  • 50:00Effects in a different trial,
  • 50:03but for the most part finding reliable
  • 50:05predictors have been hard, so.
  • 50:09A different way to do this is maybe
  • 50:14computers are smarter than us.
  • 50:16Clinician so we tried some
  • 50:18machine learning models.
  • 50:21And the answer is they didn't do
  • 50:24much better. But why did we do this?
  • 50:29A lot of field anxiety, some.
  • 50:33Depression, some dangerousness
  • 50:35domains people have been using
  • 50:37machine learning models to try
  • 50:40to predict what has is generally
  • 50:42viewed as hard to predict outcomes.
  • 50:44Machine learning is in contrast
  • 50:45to the way we've done our
  • 50:47predictor and moderator analysis,
  • 50:48where we have either theoretical or
  • 50:52clinical variables chosen based on.
  • 50:56Some kind of model that should be
  • 50:58associated with the treatments or
  • 51:00with the outcomes machine learning
  • 51:02rely on patterns in the data.
  • 51:04So you don't have these apriori
  • 51:08kinds of concepts.
  • 51:09Which might be theoretically smart,
  • 51:11or they may be biased in one point view,
  • 51:15but they learn patterns of data and then
  • 51:18they can generate and optimize models.
  • 51:22Are there ways to enhance
  • 51:23generalizability of those models by
  • 51:25doing a whole bunch of what they
  • 51:27refer to as cross validation attempts,
  • 51:29which in English means you can run a
  • 51:32whole bunch of different simulations?
  • 51:34And the other advantage to machine
  • 51:36learning is you can throw many
  • 51:39more variables into the models,
  • 51:41and in fact the more variables the
  • 51:43better because it just turns and turns
  • 51:45and turns and finds optimal combinations.
  • 51:48If there are so it actually benefits
  • 51:51from having many conditions.
  • 51:53This is not a panacea,
  • 51:55and I think the fields are trying
  • 51:58are finally coming around to
  • 51:59seeing that and some of the early.
  • 52:02You know great findings that some of
  • 52:04these machine learning models found
  • 52:06were because how they did some of the
  • 52:09simulations and most of the ones that
  • 52:12provided these great benefits for.
  • 52:16And we wrote about it a little bit
  • 52:18in in this paper in Psychological
  • 52:20Medicine published last year.
  • 52:22If you use certain types of simulations,
  • 52:24and you in particular certain
  • 52:28bootstrapping in methods such as
  • 52:30optimism corrected bootstrapping,
  • 52:32you can overinflate things.
  • 52:33So we just did this as
  • 52:36a math exercise awhile.
  • 52:38We also used the regular regression
  • 52:40approach to look at some of the clinical
  • 52:43variables based on our clinical models.
  • 52:45And machine model machine learning
  • 52:47models didn't have much advantage
  • 52:48over our regression models.
  • 52:50The area under the curve across the
  • 52:52different approaches was was poor to fair.
  • 52:57The the better way of doing these models,
  • 53:00I think, is with unbiased resampling
  • 53:02methods and they really had minimal
  • 53:04advantage over our traditional models.
  • 53:06So this is some of the ways in which
  • 53:08we you know we tried to think a
  • 53:10little bit outside the box and to
  • 53:12identify predictors of outcome which
  • 53:14would really help us come up with
  • 53:16better ways to target our treatments.
  • 53:18And and to know ahead of time who who
  • 53:20needs more attention and so forth.
  • 53:22I will note that the analysis
  • 53:24across different ways did converge
  • 53:26in a couple notable ways.
  • 53:28Rapid response again emerged
  • 53:30as a rather robust predictor.
  • 53:33And then importantly,
  • 53:35we bias internalization.
  • 53:38Which I highlighted early on in
  • 53:40my talk on my sofa box about being
  • 53:42respectful and polite to people.
  • 53:44Because they couldn't internalize
  • 53:46some of these negative attitudes.
  • 53:49Predicted poor binge eating and.
  • 53:53Eating disorder psychopathology outcomes.
  • 53:57Another approach that we tried
  • 53:58to use to kind of understand.
  • 54:03How treatments work.
  • 54:06Before I mentioned network analysis,
  • 54:08this is a network analysis.
  • 54:11It's performed this is hot off
  • 54:14the press and under review.
  • 54:16Reason to do this is.
  • 54:18A lot about predictor analysis.
  • 54:20Have looked at predicting intensities
  • 54:23or outcomes of the symptoms.
  • 54:26And this is an approach where we can
  • 54:28look at how does treatment impact
  • 54:30the way that symptoms are kind of
  • 54:34interconnected or related to one another.
  • 54:37And again you have.
  • 54:40If you look at the the left side,
  • 54:42the first blue.
  • 54:45Figure is what the network looks
  • 54:47at Pretreatment II blue figure
  • 54:49what the network looks like.
  • 54:50It's at post treatment and then this
  • 54:53the the final blue figure is what the
  • 54:56network looks like at post at 12 month.
  • 54:59Follow up the post and the follow up
  • 55:01were very similar to one another.
  • 55:03The indices for that are in those
  • 55:06squares there and to take home message
  • 55:09here is at pretreatment overvaluation.
  • 55:13Was the most central.
  • 55:18A feature. And remember,
  • 55:20I had highlighted that in a different
  • 55:23analysis earlier on in a talk,
  • 55:25so before treatment over valuation.
  • 55:29What is the most Australian feature and
  • 55:32you can see that in the right figure
  • 55:35for over valuation in the green dot?
  • 55:38At the end of treatment and at follow up.
  • 55:43This satisfaction had the highest centrality,
  • 55:46and you can see that in the right figure
  • 55:49towards the bottom of the two circles
  • 55:52that are way out towards the right.
  • 55:54So the way to interpret this
  • 55:57is not so much that we.
  • 56:00I reduced overvaluation of shape and
  • 56:02weight because you can't really say
  • 56:04that in a valid way given some of the
  • 56:08in's and outs of these analysis and
  • 56:09some of the concepts in the math.
  • 56:11And you also shouldn't say clinically
  • 56:13that we, oh, great job Grillo,
  • 56:16you, you and your team there.
  • 56:17You increase the satisfaction
  • 56:18with Wade and shape.
  • 56:19That's not what's happening here.
  • 56:21What's happening here?
  • 56:22Is the relationships among the symptoms
  • 56:24and the features of the disorder
  • 56:26and what I will highlight is if you
  • 56:29look at those squiggly lines there
  • 56:30and you match them up with network
  • 56:33analysis of similar constructs in
  • 56:35people without eating disorders,
  • 56:37they look rather similar.
  • 56:43Other ways in which we
  • 56:44are looking at treatment.
  • 56:45Let me just go back.
  • 56:48Is I mentioned? This study,
  • 56:52Doctor Potenza group and I have
  • 56:56a have an NIH grant grant in
  • 56:58which we are integrating F MRI.
  • 57:04Protocols before and after treatment,
  • 57:06along with neurocognitive testing
  • 57:07before and after treatment,
  • 57:08also is a way to look at both predictors,
  • 57:11but also potential moderators of treatment,
  • 57:15neurobiological and or psychiatric
  • 57:17moderators of treatment and by looking
  • 57:20at some of the changes that occur.
  • 57:24We will gain glimpses into potential
  • 57:27mediators and mechanisms of the change,
  • 57:30and that could also eventually guide him
  • 57:34more rational approach to ahead of time.
  • 57:37Telling a patient well.
  • 57:38Yeah, CBT and have LDX given
  • 57:42this this and this.
  • 57:43I would suggest this for you,
  • 57:45so that's another area that hopefully.
  • 57:48Will have the opportunity to report
  • 57:50to you at some point in time.
  • 57:54So in summary.
  • 57:58Please recognize the
  • 57:59broader context of obesity,
  • 58:01stigma and chain and shame and the
  • 58:04important body image constructs.
  • 58:06Big take home message for patients is
  • 58:08that there are effective treatments.
  • 58:10These treatments,
  • 58:10some of them can help very quickly.
  • 58:13On average our patients have
  • 58:14suffered in silence without coming
  • 58:16for treatment for over 10 years.
  • 58:17That's consistent with epidemiologic data
  • 58:19regarding long persistence and duration.
  • 58:21Of these problems when they go untreated,
  • 58:24our treatments often help
  • 58:25people within a month.
  • 58:27So there are effective treatments and
  • 58:29some can help quickly pharmacotherapy.
  • 58:31There's only one FDA approved
  • 58:33medication down the X,
  • 58:34or the others would be using off
  • 58:36label and presented some of that,
  • 58:37or regarding utility to
  • 58:39pirate made for some people,
  • 58:41even though that's a tricky medicine,
  • 58:42it's hard to get people up to 300,
  • 58:43four, 100 milligrams, which you have,
  • 58:45which is what you have to do.
  • 58:46But if you can,
  • 58:47does have some nice outcomes,
  • 58:48at least over the short term.
  • 58:50Psychological treatments include
  • 58:52several specific evidence based
  • 58:54focal manualized treatments,
  • 58:55most notably CBT, IPT,
  • 58:57and behavioral weight loss.
  • 58:59And what you see with those treatments
  • 59:01is that over 50% of the patients
  • 59:03seem to benefit a great deal,
  • 59:04and they have durable outcomes over
  • 59:06two to five years follow up and in
  • 59:09pharmacotherapy to CBT and behavioral
  • 59:10weight loss has generally failed to
  • 59:12enhance either with the medications
  • 59:14that have been tested to date,
  • 59:15but emerging research as
  • 59:17I presented from our lab,
  • 59:19is testing combination approved
  • 59:21approaches using new medications that,
  • 59:24from a mechanistic perspective,
  • 59:25should have a greater synergistic effect.
  • 59:28And we're working on coming up with
  • 59:30treatment research to integrate
  • 59:32methods to identify predictors,
  • 59:34moderators, and processes of change,
  • 59:36and we hope that this would lead
  • 59:38to more rational prescription
  • 59:40of truth treatments over time.
  • 59:43I am quite indebted to my colleagues
  • 59:46at power like to acknowledge Dr.
  • 59:49Lydecker and or my associate directors,
  • 59:53our faculty. These are our current faculty.
  • 59:56We have many faculty who have left us
  • 59:58for their own programs and leadership
  • 01:00:01positions here and elsewhere.
  • 01:00:03These are our current faculty and most
  • 01:00:06indebted to them for their collaborations.
  • 01:00:09We also have a number of study physicians
  • 01:00:13and coinvestigators gentek under Johnston,
  • 01:00:15Prof and Jorge Moreno.
  • 01:00:17And here we have our medical input
  • 01:00:20comes as represents psychiatry,
  • 01:00:23endocrinology and internal medicine so.
  • 01:00:26It's a very rich.
  • 01:00:30And stimulating.
  • 01:00:36Constant discussions and then
  • 01:00:38I'll postdoctoral associates.
  • 01:00:39These are our current Coast postdoctoral
  • 01:00:42associates who deliver the treatments
  • 01:00:45faithfully at a very high level.
  • 01:00:47Our retention rates are remarkable.
  • 01:00:49Both of completion treatments as well
  • 01:00:51As for the completion of retention,
  • 01:00:53follow-up assessments, and then,
  • 01:00:54through our pre doctoral
  • 01:00:56and research assistants,
  • 01:00:58who somehow keep the machinery
  • 01:01:00of the bazillions of pieces of.
  • 01:01:03Of of data in an organized way,
  • 01:01:05and we don't let people fall through
  • 01:01:07the cracks and we get everything
  • 01:01:09done that we need to get done
  • 01:01:11and we are most appreciative of
  • 01:01:13their efforts and finally to the
  • 01:01:16thousands of patients who have.
  • 01:01:21Come to us for help and have
  • 01:01:23been most generous of their time,
  • 01:01:25and they've had the courage to share
  • 01:01:27with us and reach out for help.
  • 01:01:29But then,
  • 01:01:30even long after the treatments are done,
  • 01:01:32they stay in touch with us and
  • 01:01:33how long follow-up studies to let
  • 01:01:35us know what's going well and
  • 01:01:36what's not going so well.
  • 01:01:38And that's the only way we can
  • 01:01:39get a little bit better at
  • 01:01:40doing what we're trying to do.
  • 01:01:42We need to get better,
  • 01:01:43so we really appreciate the giving
  • 01:01:45of these patients as they share these
  • 01:01:48very private and sensitive issues with us.
  • 01:01:50Before I take questions.
  • 01:01:51Put in a plug for one of our studies.
  • 01:01:54Any of you have in various
  • 01:01:56clinics and programs.
  • 01:01:57People who might have binge
  • 01:02:00eating disorder or concerns.
  • 01:02:03Here's one of our Flyers.
  • 01:02:04We thank YCCI for their excellence
  • 01:02:07in creating good Flyers.
  • 01:02:09The language we use there,
  • 01:02:10by the way, was carefully.
  • 01:02:12An obsession really thought out.
  • 01:02:14Given several studies that we did
  • 01:02:15in terms with our patient groups
  • 01:02:17and different settings and times in
  • 01:02:18the course of their illnesses to
  • 01:02:20figure out what kinds of language
  • 01:02:21in terms they find least offensive.
  • 01:02:24So thank you very much.