Yale Department of Psychiatry: Presentation by Committee on Diversity, Inclusion, and Belonging
December 15, 2020December 15, 2020: The Yale Department of Psychiatry hosts a presentation by Secretary and Vice President for University Life Kimberly Goff-Crews and Vice Provost for Faculty Development and Diversity Gary Desir, MD, who discussed university initiatives on Diversity, Equity, Inclusion, and Belonging.
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- 00:00In the Chair for Diversity,
- 00:02Equity and Inclusion here in the
- 00:04Department of Psychiatry and I'm really
- 00:07pleased to introduce the secretary and
- 00:10vice president for University Life,
- 00:12Kim Golf Cruise and the Vice Provost
- 00:15for Faculty Development and diversity.
- 00:18Doctor Gary Dizzier, who will discuss
- 00:20University initiatives on diversity,
- 00:22equity, inclusion, and belonging.
- 00:24They were Co chairs of President
- 00:26Solidays Committee on Diversity,
- 00:28Inclusion, and belonging.
- 00:30And I've asked them to come today
- 00:33to talk about these initiatives,
- 00:35but also to talk about
- 00:38recommendations from this committee.
- 00:39And you have a link to the written report
- 00:43in the many emails that I sent out
- 00:46reminding you about this presentation.
- 00:49Today we have a very active
- 00:51and engaged community in our
- 00:53Department related to diversity,
- 00:55equity and inclusion,
- 00:57and I just want to thank everyone
- 01:00for all of their efforts.
- 01:02From the training programs
- 01:04to research divisions, too,
- 01:06bearish units and affiliated institutions,
- 01:08I think we're very active and engaged in
- 01:11passionate community around these topics.
- 01:13Ann and I thought it would just be
- 01:16really helpful to hear the university's
- 01:19vision an recommendations and so that
- 01:22maybe it can influence our work,
- 01:24but also our work can influence what
- 01:27happens at the University level as well.
- 01:30So with that, I'm going to turn it over to.
- 01:35Kim and to Gary,
- 01:36thank you so much for being here.
- 01:39So first of all, thank you for for
- 01:42inviting us to talk to you about this
- 01:44whole process of of creating belonging.
- 01:47Yeah, which sending your introduction is
- 01:49really powerful because the reality is
- 01:52this is a University wide initiative,
- 01:54but it happens both centrally and locally,
- 01:56and so we were talking about will talk
- 01:59about some of the bigger pictures items
- 02:01of what we're what we're thinking about.
- 02:04But but the work is gonna be done
- 02:07in departments and grassroots.
- 02:09I can't see all of you.
- 02:11I see this wonderful city of names.
- 02:13I would I wish to go yes.
- 02:14Then you can record if you'd like.
- 02:16That's fine speaking record.
- 02:17Yes, we can record that's fine.
- 02:19I wish I could see you in person.
- 02:21I recognize some of the names,
- 02:23but I'd love to eventually meet you.
- 02:25So when we're in real in real life
- 02:27I have to come back and see you.
- 02:29At some point I thought what I would do
- 02:31is start with what is belonging at Yale.
- 02:34So if you had to define it in nutshell,
- 02:36what is this?
- 02:37And I would say that you know both Gary
- 02:40and I have spent so much time thinking about.
- 02:44This is it's basically a set of
- 02:46actions and initiatives that are both
- 02:49University wide and also Department
- 02:50specific that are designed to build
- 02:53the best environment for excellence.
- 02:55I think that's one way to look at it,
- 02:58and so there's it's not one thing.
- 03:00It's a collection of things that are
- 03:03coordinated but are deeply meaningful.
- 03:05Both University wide and also
- 03:07within the context of specific.
- 03:08Units, so it's an umbrella we talk about.
- 03:11Belonging else being an umbrella term
- 03:13that talks about our presentation
- 03:15or application amplification of
- 03:17the work that we're already doing.
- 03:19Its belonging itself has a very
- 03:21specific definition for us,
- 03:23and I'll talk about that in a little later.
- 03:26But we we see the impact as being
- 03:29one where every person,
- 03:31no matter where they are,
- 03:33where they sit in the University,
- 03:35feel that they are engaged.
- 03:37They are valued and they are connected.
- 03:40And so at the end of the day,
- 03:42that's really what we want to have come
- 03:44out of this particular set of initiative,
- 03:46and it's exciting right now about
- 03:48this current phase of the word,
- 03:50because in some ways we've been doing
- 03:51this work at the University for many,
- 03:54many years.
- 03:54But this phase is a little
- 03:56bit different than will,
- 03:57and I think you'll see why
- 03:59when Gary like describe it,
- 04:00because it involves not
- 04:01only faculty and students,
- 04:02which is where we used to have these
- 04:05conversations around belonging,
- 04:06but also staff animals,
- 04:07and also most importantly, alumni.
- 04:08So we're one of the few universities.
- 04:10If any that we know of that is
- 04:13actually actively in incorporating
- 04:14the work of alumni and are reaching
- 04:16out to alumni into how we think
- 04:19about building this initiative.
- 04:20So I think that's really important,
- 04:22so we're going to describe
- 04:23a little bit about our
- 04:25thinking that went into the recommendations,
- 04:27which I hope many of you had a chance to
- 04:30read because we want you to understand
- 04:32what underlines some of the things
- 04:35we're going to be talking about.
- 04:37We're going to talk about
- 04:39about the next steps.
- 04:40That we're going through the action
- 04:42plan and also just delve into a
- 04:44little bit so few of the initiatives
- 04:46of the President salary announced
- 04:47a couple of a couple of weeks ago,
- 04:49so I'm going to ask Gary to talk start
- 04:52about talking bout the report and
- 04:54some of the things that we really want
- 04:56to pay attention to as you read it,
- 04:58and then we'll go back into the action plan.
- 05:01So I'm going to
- 05:02turn this over to you.
- 05:03Thanks very much so thank you Cindy
- 05:05for inviting me and and I I know many
- 05:07of the folks in your Department.
- 05:09I'm happy to see many of the names.
- 05:12And it's really a pleasure to be here.
- 05:15The the so sort of president salary.
- 05:17Ask US Kim and I to chair the new
- 05:20expanded version of what was called
- 05:22the President's Committee on DI
- 05:24and that had been meeting for a
- 05:27couple of years prior to that.
- 05:29So inject on in January.
- 05:30This past January,
- 05:32the president ask us to to actually
- 05:34look at the work that was being
- 05:37done at year and come up with a
- 05:39vision and a plan for implementation
- 05:41and and so that's what we did.
- 05:43So and the idea was then to offer.
- 05:46Vision where in and then to develop
- 05:49high level goals on how to achieve
- 05:51that vision and then to outline
- 05:53some strategies and then to provide
- 05:56some initial recommendations to
- 05:58the President for implementation.
- 05:59So this was done by a committee
- 06:02Ann and Blake.
- 06:03Perhaps you can share the I don't
- 06:06do this slide or do you have them?
- 06:13OK, so so this is I just want you to
- 06:16see who the committee members were.
- 06:19So we're joined by 16.
- 06:23Faculty member and staff
- 06:24and not just go through.
- 06:26You can see on this is Kim.
- 06:29This is Karen Anderson who
- 06:31is in the post office.
- 06:34Charles Bailyn was a physicist
- 06:36sent a car with their lawyer.
- 06:39Where did Chang, who is direct Deal
- 06:41Alumni Association Jen Frederick,
- 06:43through many of you know,
- 06:45Larry Gladney was at FS.
- 06:48And Sharon Cougar, Chaplain,
- 06:50and Kurt was the Dean of the
- 06:53School of Nursing, Darren,
- 06:55or, you know,
- 06:56Katie Lofton was at FAS Pillow
- 06:59Montalvo from the president's office.
- 07:02Vicki Nolan from the School of Drama.
- 07:06Melinda Pettigrew School of
- 07:08Public Health Steven Spangler,
- 07:10David Stanley from the from HR and
- 07:12then Tom Tyler from the law school.
- 07:15And so this is the group of faculty
- 07:18and staff and administrators who met
- 07:21over the next six months to actually
- 07:24figure out what division would be
- 07:27and how would we implement it.
- 07:29So hold on a second so so
- 07:33so I think the committee,
- 07:35the members of the Committee were
- 07:38chosen because of their experience,
- 07:41their passion for diversity and they
- 07:44were experts in intersectionality on
- 07:46drivers of organizational change.
- 07:48For instance,
- 07:49Tom Tyler does work there and in
- 07:52the work was also subdivided into
- 07:55subcommittees and we we we could
- 07:58have members from the entire campus.
- 08:01And bought for them to sub
- 08:03committees to study the past.
- 08:04University reports that you available
- 08:06data and we have activities of peer
- 08:08universities to look for best practices.
- 08:10So,
- 08:10for instance,
- 08:11Cindy was a member of the Subcommittee
- 08:14on faculty and I would like to
- 08:15ask her to share her experience
- 08:17on how that work with and what
- 08:19what she was she gained from it,
- 08:21and what she learned.
- 08:23Cindy,
- 08:23if you please could please go ahead
- 08:25and tell us your experience at the
- 08:27subcommittee member for faculty.
- 08:29Sure, thanks Gary.
- 08:30I joined sometime in the spring
- 08:32of this year and it, you know,
- 08:35for me it was just nice too.
- 08:38Be connected to other people
- 08:40from across the University.
- 08:41I feel like I know pretty well what's
- 08:44happening in the medical school,
- 08:46but some of the other professional
- 08:48schools and certainly undergraduates.
- 08:49I don't know as much of
- 08:51what what's happening.
- 08:52So DI Field is a rapidly changing
- 08:55field from terminology to concepts,
- 08:56and so for me I felt like I
- 08:59I learned a lot in terms of,
- 09:02you know what people are currently
- 09:04thinking about in in the field.
- 09:06Ann and how I might be able
- 09:08to think about that.
- 09:10So the Department at the same
- 09:11time I hope that I brought things
- 09:14that we have been thinking about
- 09:16doing in the Department to other
- 09:18folks across the campus,
- 09:19so I think it was just really
- 09:21helpful to have that knowledge.
- 09:23Sharing it was really rapid turn around.
- 09:26So of course our committee wanted
- 09:27a lot more time to talk about
- 09:29these issues and think through
- 09:31them and provide recommendations.
- 09:33But it was a really rapid turn around,
- 09:35but I think in the end really
- 09:38helpful to know and to meet.
- 09:40Other people from across the
- 09:42University and share best practices
- 09:45and concepts and ideas so.
- 09:48Thank you Cindy so so the committee
- 09:51was in parallel in early January
- 09:53and the pace we had fourth
- 09:55didn't take into account covid,
- 09:57so we actually had to had to.
- 10:00Here's how we work and we we had
- 10:03a retreat which was done on Zoom,
- 10:06which actually worked out pretty well,
- 10:08but it would, you know,
- 10:10get together and get the work done,
- 10:13which was really great.
- 10:14And we also spoke with many members of the
- 10:17community who shared their time and insights.
- 10:20For instance,
- 10:21Professor Ferguson so spoke to
- 10:23us about intersectionality and
- 10:25expanded our views and ideas of
- 10:27how that concept concept could fit
- 10:29into an institutional framework.
- 10:31And how no one thinks of
- 10:33individual holistically,
- 10:34you know their identity's and that
- 10:36informs us on how we approach a way of
- 10:39creating a community of the logging
- 10:41the there were several important
- 10:44ideas that I just want to highlight
- 10:46when you read the the report,
- 10:49you'll see that one is that excellence is
- 10:51really the ultimate reason for that work.
- 10:54And we believe that you should
- 10:56Excel in every area.
- 10:58And the committee really fundamentally
- 11:00believe that our focus on diversity,
- 11:02equity, inclusion.
- 11:03Was an essential part of maintaining
- 11:06what we've had excellence today
- 11:08and excellence for for the future.
- 11:10And so came out.
- 11:12Stop here for a second and I
- 11:14ask you to continue.
- 11:16Right, can you take a slide down for
- 11:19just a second so I could see everybody?
- 11:22I thought the other two definitions,
- 11:24which we we really honed in on that
- 11:26I want you to be conscious up or
- 11:29what's the definition of belonging?
- 11:31What does it actually mean to belong?
- 11:34And we actually did some research.
- 11:36There are faculty members on our own
- 11:38in our own psychology Department and
- 11:40also some researchers in corporations,
- 11:42one being Howard Ross wrote a book
- 11:45called Our Search for Belonging.
- 11:47And some professors at Harvard that
- 11:49we read which actually identified
- 11:51the components of what it means
- 11:53for a person to belong.
- 11:55And they say, and we have adopted
- 11:56as a as a definition that belonging,
- 11:59means that the person can be themselves.
- 12:02They believe that they can be themselves.
- 12:04They can take part in teams
- 12:06with different types of people.
- 12:08Um, but work toward the same goals and
- 12:11have the same values that worked with
- 12:13the same goals in the same values,
- 12:16but they know that people's talents
- 12:18and perspectives, including their own,
- 12:19will be recognized and respected,
- 12:21and that's how those are.
- 12:22The schools basically points about what
- 12:24people need to feel that they belong,
- 12:27so we actually broke those down
- 12:28into four or five components.
- 12:30And that's what we're trying to make
- 12:33sure that we're covering as we do.
- 12:35Some of these initiatives.
- 12:36The other thing I want you to to.
- 12:39Be clear about is our system
- 12:42definition of diversity.
- 12:43We are in a moment in our country
- 12:45where we are very focused on anti
- 12:48black racism and on what's happening
- 12:50with black and Brown bodies.
- 12:52Given what happened with George
- 12:54Floyd in the middle of our of
- 12:56our conversation as a committee.
- 12:58But when you talk about diversity
- 13:00we also talked about a broader
- 13:02range of diverse diversity.
- 13:04So things like certainly race,
- 13:05nationality, ability,
- 13:06gender or socioeconomic diversity.
- 13:07And because we're a University
- 13:09also perspectives.
- 13:10So once you just keep that in mind that that.
- 13:13Actually,
- 13:14something that we're focused on as
- 13:15we build something to initiatives.
- 13:17Although you'll see for the next few years,
- 13:19we're going to be very,
- 13:20very focused on race given where
- 13:22we are as a country and some other
- 13:25things that we think we are poised
- 13:27to to deepen in our work. So we have.
- 13:32I want to talk a little bit about
- 13:33the action plan.
- 13:34I know some of you have read,
- 13:36report and want to give you a
- 13:37sense of the action plan won't go
- 13:39through the whole thing.
- 13:40'cause it's very comprehensive,
- 13:41but we happen to have a
- 13:42visual of an action plan.
- 13:43So I'm going to have someone put that up.
- 13:45I think Ryan's gonna put that up for
- 13:47us and then I'm going to plant some
- 13:50things in their specific things that
- 13:51we just want to pay attention to.
- 13:53We haven't posted this yet.
- 13:54Will get a version of this post
- 13:56that's going to be a little bit more.
- 13:58Acceptable for some summer colleagues, but.
- 14:01I have a pile of jewels.
- 14:03I like to have. This is a way of
- 14:06thinking about the action plan,
- 14:08so I want to remember that one of the things
- 14:10that committee wrote is that this is a.
- 14:12This is a marathon.
- 14:13This is not a Sprint will be
- 14:15working on this for years to come,
- 14:17although we want to take it in
- 14:19five year increments in terms of
- 14:21how we want to be coordinated,
- 14:22we want to focus on and so the
- 14:24president did ask us for an
- 14:26action plan in addition to some
- 14:27of the people in the more larger
- 14:30conversations and larger principles
- 14:31that he wanted us to identify.
- 14:32This action plan is for the next five years.
- 14:35And you'll notice on the top or a set of.
- 14:40Objectives or goals that we have
- 14:42for the next five years that are
- 14:45that are really inspired by the
- 14:47report and then you'll see that the
- 14:50colors very specifically the purple,
- 14:52are those priorities of the
- 14:53President mentioned in his.
- 14:57In his memo to the entire
- 14:59community a few weeks ago,
- 15:01and there, other colors are
- 15:02really not not specific,
- 15:04but purple is definitely about
- 15:06the president's priorities,
- 15:07and these are not written
- 15:08in any particular order.
- 15:12So there's no order of hierarchy,
- 15:14but I want to mention a couple of things.
- 15:17One is we know Gary.
- 15:19I'm going to talk a little bit
- 15:23about present priorities around.
- 15:25Diversity in particular,
- 15:26but we know that there are a lot
- 15:28of schools and administrative
- 15:29units like yours who have actually
- 15:31been working on diversity.
- 15:33So, for example, Betty,
- 15:35which is the faculty Excellence inverse
- 15:37initiative that many of you might know about.
- 15:401st Five years schools have brought
- 15:42at least 101 excellent back of the
- 15:45campus using that particular program,
- 15:46and we know that our staff
- 15:49affinity groups which.
- 15:50Our continuing continuing
- 15:51to grow our diversifying,
- 15:52our manager and professional staff
- 15:54which of which have doubled diversity,
- 15:56is doubled in last decade.
- 15:57So we've increased as we always as we know,
- 16:00the number of students from low
- 16:02income backgrounds in the College of
- 16:04particular working on that through
- 16:05and some of the other schools as well.
- 16:08And we're beginning to focus a little
- 16:10bit more deliberately on connecting
- 16:11with our diverse alumni body.
- 16:13One of the things we discovered
- 16:15as a as a as a committee was that
- 16:18when you look out over the next
- 16:20last 10 years to the 12 years of.
- 16:23Students across the University
- 16:24have graduated,
- 16:25but there is a real diversity of
- 16:27real demographic shift and the
- 16:29diversity of the alumni body.
- 16:31They are eager to engage and
- 16:33learn about the issues.
- 16:34They are a little bit different
- 16:36from those who came before them or
- 16:38beginning to think more strategically
- 16:40about how to engage with these alumni.
- 16:42So with that in mind,
- 16:43but where we're starting from,
- 16:45we're just going to highlight
- 16:46again on this particular.
- 16:47Using this as a as a as a template.
- 16:50Some of the things that the President
- 16:53talked about some things will be doing.
- 16:55So a couple of things.
- 16:57One is,
- 16:58if you look at acknowledgement,
- 17:00recognition and respect,
- 17:02remember going back to our conversation
- 17:04that that is really important for
- 17:06people to feel like they belong.
- 17:09One of the things the president
- 17:11is focused on is understanding the
- 17:13US history and he has charged they
- 17:17light who is professor and has a
- 17:19lot of deep knowledge of slavery.
- 17:23Running the Gilder Center on slavery
- 17:25to create a committee to actually
- 17:28look at yells history of slavery
- 17:30and professors already.
- 17:31I think that that that study
- 17:33is already launched.
- 17:35There is a committee that has been
- 17:37created and there are already
- 17:39students who are in the archives
- 17:42looking at our own history so that
- 17:44we'll be able to have report fairly
- 17:46soon about where we were in that
- 17:49much more deeply about where we were
- 17:52as University involved in slavery.
- 17:54Ross looking at assessing campus
- 17:56culture and the effectiveness
- 17:57of ongoing initiatives.
- 17:58One of the things we discovered as
- 18:00a committee is that we don't have
- 18:02a very good sense of accountability
- 18:04and assessment of what is going
- 18:06on in the unit and what will be
- 18:09going on as we move forward.
- 18:10It's probably the biggest
- 18:12change from previous reports,
- 18:13and so we're actually. Wiring.
- 18:20Require unit plans and assessment
- 18:22protocols to be in place.
- 18:24Boston University's huge effort on
- 18:25our part and we think something
- 18:27that will least track what we're
- 18:29doing as we move forward so that
- 18:32everybody can learn from what
- 18:33we're doing across the University.
- 18:35The other thing I want to mention
- 18:38before I turn it over to Gary.
- 18:41I'm going to go over to the
- 18:43diversity of the Yelp community.
- 18:45That second bucket there is that we
- 18:47are really very committed to showing
- 18:49up financial aid for all students.
- 18:52We tend to focus on the college.
- 18:55But we are actually much more
- 18:57focus on trying to make sure that
- 18:59students across our University
- 19:01are getting enough financial aid,
- 19:03particularly those special schools
- 19:04where the students want might not make
- 19:07a lot of money when they graduate,
- 19:09and so we're going to be working on a
- 19:11plan to support that effort as well.
- 19:14So there are other things I want to
- 19:17mention how to move around this?
- 19:19Yeah, so yes.
- 19:20So let me let me focus on two things.
- 19:23So if you look at under
- 19:25scholarship and teaching.
- 19:27It says investment coordinating
- 19:28Centers for research and scholarship
- 19:31so so there are many servers already
- 19:34existing at Yale and there are
- 19:36some newsletters that are coming up
- 19:38that will be funded by the press.
- 19:41That one is is issues about
- 19:44prison population, for instance,
- 19:45and one of the goals is to really
- 19:48coordinate the work of said was working
- 19:51on transit transnational migration,
- 19:53racism in the Genetti, Ann and.
- 19:56Try to develop an environment where
- 19:59people are interested in this.
- 20:01Issues can come for advice or wet
- 20:03funding or or or power projects,
- 20:05so that's one one part of the work.
- 20:08I think very important part of
- 20:10the work is on the second column
- 20:13called diversity of the Yellow
- 20:15Community and it says investing,
- 20:17Bipap faculty and postdoc mentoring.
- 20:18So let me talk about diversity
- 20:21of the faculty,
- 20:22so when the committee looked at the
- 20:24impact of ferry over the past five
- 20:27years on on recruitment and retention,
- 20:29so in terms of recruitment,
- 20:31Kim mentioned that.
- 20:32Fetty over the past five years
- 20:34had allowed the recruitment of 101
- 20:36underrepresented faculty ideal,
- 20:38and then we look at the overall impact
- 20:41fairly on on diversity across University,
- 20:43and it was mixed so some
- 20:46some schools did find some,
- 20:48others didn't do well.
- 20:49But overall, the net increase on on on
- 20:53the diverse faculty was very small.
- 20:55So the question is, should we?
- 20:57We could more,
- 20:59more faculty,
- 20:59or should we make an attempt
- 21:02to retain more faculty?
- 21:04So the committee actually be focused
- 21:06on the fact that maybe we could do
- 21:08a better job on retention and in the
- 21:10equities you intention is that so
- 21:12some people think about retention
- 21:14with somebody, wants to leave,
- 21:15and then we're trying to retain them at yeah,
- 21:18but the committee is you is is it
- 21:20was a bit more broad than that.
- 21:22They viewed retention as how you on
- 21:25the first date a person comes to you.
- 21:27How do you welcome them?
- 21:29How do you Orient them?
- 21:30What resources do give them?
- 21:32And then how do you help them in
- 21:34developing their career academic career?
- 21:36Yeah,
- 21:36and that's that's what we think
- 21:38about retention,
- 21:39and I think there was a lot of progress.
- 21:42Who could make there?
- 21:43And the committee is recommended many,
- 21:45many, many areas of improvement
- 21:47in terms of retention.
- 21:48I think that's not easy.
- 21:50That's a that's not an easy thing to do,
- 21:53but we believe that it will really make the
- 21:56culture of belonging at deal much better.
- 21:59The there was also an issue of of
- 22:02increasing student diversity in the
- 22:04end with pipeline programs and and
- 22:06financially now you know diversity
- 22:08doesn't always mean the same thing
- 22:10for all particular programs.
- 22:12Some programs might have many
- 22:13more women than men,
- 22:15so you may want to increase the
- 22:17number of women and vice versa.
- 22:19So we the committee took off early.
- 22:24Broadview of whatever City would look like.
- 22:29One other thing I wanted to mention is the
- 22:31issue of public safety and and policing.
- 22:34And and Kim may want to talk to about that no
- 22:38more later but but there is an initiative to.
- 22:41Look at what the police is doing right
- 22:44now and and and and change it in the
- 22:47way that that improves the trust in
- 22:50policing and the safety of students,
- 22:53faculty and staff at the University.
- 22:57I'll believe is also that that progress will
- 22:59be made if you we could do right leaders
- 23:03an increasing the diversity among staff,
- 23:05top staff leaders and preparing
- 23:07staff for service in senior position
- 23:09is a really important thing to do.
- 23:12The we work closely with Willie
- 23:14Chiang on alumni and the alumni are
- 23:16very passionate about diversity.
- 23:18So I think there is a there is a
- 23:21an opportunity there to leverage
- 23:23the passion of the alumni in there.
- 23:26Connections in know how improving
- 23:28diversity at Yale and then finally,
- 23:31since the University is within New Haven,
- 23:33we believe that it is important for
- 23:36the University to focus on increasing
- 23:38diversity for contractors,
- 23:40vendors and business professionals.
- 23:41Very often that may mean slightly
- 23:44changing business practices that don't,
- 23:46that this disenfranchised.
- 23:47Small businesses, for instance.
- 23:48And now I want to say that there is a
- 23:52lot of work that's already been done
- 23:54and I will ask him to highlight some
- 23:57of the work that's been done that
- 23:59we can leverage for future success.
- 24:01Kim so you
- 24:02know, part of what I think is I
- 24:05just want to make a distinction,
- 24:07but I'm going to go to inclusive
- 24:09practice analysis on the green personal,
- 24:11personal and professional.
- 24:13Development because of practice,
- 24:15we know that there's a lot of education
- 24:17and training on a number of these issues
- 24:19that's already going on in different units,
- 24:21and I know that you've been doing a
- 24:24lot of having a lot of speaker series.
- 24:27To talk about social justice and
- 24:29HealthEquity which which I really
- 24:30applaud you for and I know that many
- 24:32of us are are trying to do some of
- 24:35that across the University as well.
- 24:36One of the things we think is
- 24:38really important about inclusion,
- 24:39and we distinguish that from belonging.
- 24:41Is that all of us,
- 24:43particularly those of us in
- 24:45leadership positions?
- 24:45Have some sense of what it means to
- 24:47create an inclusive environment,
- 24:49and so one of the things you're going
- 24:51to see is our efforts to build upon some
- 24:54of the work that you've been doing.
- 24:57Bringing in speakers,
- 24:58having really interesting conversations
- 24:59about some of the issues that are being
- 25:02raised in the country in our internal campus,
- 25:04and in our in our in our professional work,
- 25:07and making sure that people understand
- 25:09how to create an inclusive environment,
- 25:11because, again, belonging.
- 25:12Is more about the intervals perspective?
- 25:14Do they belong to an into
- 25:15an environment inclusion?
- 25:16We just.
- 25:17We distinguish inclusion as being our
- 25:19ability to create the environment where
- 25:21people feel that they belong and so
- 25:23part of what you're going to be seeing us do.
- 25:25Is across the University is to create.
- 25:30Programming a professional development
- 25:31opportunities for the professionals and
- 25:33others creating the opportunity for people.
- 25:35Have and learn how to have difficult
- 25:37conversations so that it becomes a
- 25:39lot easier to be in this environment
- 25:42to give the best that you can.
- 25:43And so again,
- 25:44I applaud you for the work that you're
- 25:47already doing for your anti racism.
- 25:49I think curriculum is what I heard
- 25:51and hope that you will continue to do
- 25:53that because that is exactly where the
- 25:56rest of the University will be going.
- 25:58As we move forward.
- 25:59Gary won't talk a little bit about
- 26:02the unit plans because that is
- 26:04a huge piece of the warp.
- 26:05Asking everybody to do,
- 26:07and so people should probably
- 26:08understand what it is and then we will
- 26:10will get ready to take questions.
- 26:12Yes, yes. So so very briefly,
- 26:14and I think we've gotten a lot of
- 26:16questions about the DIA unit plans and,
- 26:18and I think that. So.
- 26:21The the plan is to ask to roll up.
- 26:26Programs and Department
- 26:27plans to the school plan,
- 26:28and then it gets it,
- 26:30gets submitted as a single plan to
- 26:32the to the Post office into into
- 26:35Kim's office so that we think.
- 26:37We probably have fewer than
- 26:3925 or 30 plans to look at,
- 26:41so so the question then is going to be,
- 26:44how does a Department or sectional
- 26:46program participate in the in
- 26:47the in the planning process?
- 26:49And I think this is going to
- 26:51be determined by each school.
- 26:53But but the idea would be to to
- 26:57understand the local context and to
- 27:00understand what the issues are belonging.
- 27:03And and and look at what one can do
- 27:06to improve retention and recruitment.
- 27:10So one might have to reorganize.
- 27:14Standard operating procedures
- 27:16for recruiting faculty or you
- 27:19might want to implement.
- 27:21Mentoring programs so,
- 27:22and that's going to be that's
- 27:24going to vary from group to group,
- 27:27but but I think for for for the plans
- 27:29to there's a there's a need for a
- 27:32place to be aligned with your friends.
- 27:35That's overall goals,
- 27:36and I think it's best done through
- 27:38by aligning them through by this
- 27:40through the school to routines.
- 27:42So I think each unit can work on trying
- 27:45to figure out their own local environment,
- 27:48and that that those insights should be.
- 27:51Coordinated by the Deans Office
- 27:53and I think by embracing common
- 27:55goals in a common framework,
- 27:57but being very flexible in implementation,
- 27:59you can allow our institutional
- 28:01goals to be applied in ways that
- 28:03makes sense for local cultures.
- 28:05So I think,
- 28:06and I think there are a lot
- 28:08of questions about those.
- 28:10More specific guidance will be provided soon.
- 28:12Kim and I and and are working
- 28:14on such guidance,
- 28:15and that that that will be forthcoming,
- 28:17but that's the way I would
- 28:18think about what we called.
- 28:20The unique players came back to you.
- 28:22Alright,
- 28:22so I think
- 28:23we're we are going to turn it over to
- 28:26questions and wanted to make sure we had
- 28:28enough time to answer your questions.
- 28:30'cause this is a lot of
- 28:32information that we're giving you,
- 28:33but I encourage you.
- 28:35To go back to the site,
- 28:38the Blind Yell site because it
- 28:39will have a lot of information
- 28:41and just to the president's
- 28:43announcement and the report itself,
- 28:46we will continually up upload information,
- 28:48including the University speaker series.
- 28:50I don't know any of you.
- 28:52We had the opportunity to go to
- 28:54participate in the series where
- 28:56we had we featured Abraham Candy.
- 28:58I think it was last week about
- 29:021100 University citizens.
- 29:04Being able to not participate
- 29:05at least have understand the
- 29:07conversation that he was having
- 29:08with one of our faculty members,
- 29:10which was really great.
- 29:11We have it.
- 29:12We have it posted for the next 10
- 29:14days or so and we also have Dolly
- 29:16Chugh who is a really wonderful.
- 29:21Professor from and why you talking
- 29:23about what it means to you know to
- 29:25really be in this fight and how,
- 29:27how you can how you can be
- 29:29not just an anti racist,
- 29:31but a good pretty good ISH person
- 29:33I think is what she would say.
- 29:35So please make sure that you you
- 29:38continue to look at the site.
- 29:39I would say that we we started
- 29:41this work in January.
- 29:43It has been tough on one acknowledge it has
- 29:46been very tough to be doing this work now,
- 29:49particularly starting in the fall.
- 29:502015 the University has been a long
- 29:53trajectory around quickly race,
- 29:54but it just got even tougher
- 29:56with a gorgeous Floyd death.
- 29:58I know a lot of people were.
- 30:01Impacted by that.
- 30:02But there is.
- 30:03I think there is a sense right now
- 30:05and Gary might speak to this that
- 30:08from a University perspective,
- 30:10all of us are breaking through to
- 30:12this next iteration of what it
- 30:15means to do the work across campus.
- 30:17That everybody is is is being
- 30:19asked to to step up and I think
- 30:22what we're what we're seeing.
- 30:24Pretty pretty regularly in our
- 30:26conversations with other your cause.
- 30:28Cross Institution is embracing of this this.
- 30:30Initiative and some pretty interesting
- 30:32innovative ideas happening at the
- 30:35ground level and also centrally,
- 30:36so we're looking forward to
- 30:38having a conversation with you.
- 30:40But Gary,
- 30:41do you
- 30:42want to switch over?
- 30:43Yeah I would. I would second that.
- 30:46What's been really encouraging to
- 30:48us as we've spoken with faculty
- 30:50vice presidents, the Corporation,
- 30:52because that is that there is tremendous
- 30:55passion and commitment for the work
- 30:57to be successful and at all levels.
- 31:00And many groups already.
- 31:01Devising what the plan would looks like.
- 31:04The beginning really difficult and but
- 31:06but engaging important conversations
- 31:08about race and and diversity,
- 31:10and I think that's that's what
- 31:12we make the work successful.
- 31:14It is not.
- 31:15It's not a sort of it takes a while.
- 31:18It is a long term proposition,
- 31:21but I think I I I,
- 31:23I sense no significant and long
- 31:25standing commitment to work,
- 31:27so I'm very encouraged and I'm
- 31:29very encouraged that we can
- 31:31work together to make it happen.
- 31:33So.
- 31:35So I'll stop here and then will
- 31:37welcome questions given I can
- 31:39try to answer them.
- 31:46So folks can just jump right in or type it.
- 31:49In the chat. We also had two
- 31:50questions that came in earlier.
- 31:52So wait a second, see if anyone
- 31:53else has questions first.
- 31:56So far currents can hear me. Yes yes.
- 32:00Good afternoon I. Really, this
- 32:04is kind of rumor, but perfect colleagues and
- 32:08other than the medical school.
- 32:13That students are. Someone
- 32:15can be somewhat impatient.
- 32:17For changes in the language and
- 32:20curricula. And and in lectures,
- 32:24for example regarding gender and race too.
- 32:29I just bring more current.
- 32:33Language to bear on
- 32:35the discussions anatomy came
- 32:37to mind, for example,
- 32:39so I didn't see anything in the
- 32:42plan that specifically referenced
- 32:44kind of support for faculty.
- 32:47In in their efforts to.
- 32:51Kind of adjust their curricula.
- 32:54Her motive, maybe even you
- 32:56know their curriculum.
- 32:57Basically teaching that we do.
- 33:00And trying to support faculty
- 33:02because as Ken you said.
- 33:06You know it,
- 33:07it's a. It's
- 33:08a marathon, not a Sprint, and that
- 33:11students may think the time is
- 33:13now or it's long past time.
- 33:16To make changes so any
- 33:18any comments on that?
- 33:19Sure Gary, do you wanna start?
- 33:21Would you like me to?
- 33:23I think I can start Bob. Good to see you.
- 33:26I haven't seen you in a long time.
- 33:28Yeah, I I think that.
- 33:31I, I think what you may be asking about
- 33:34are there are there are several resources
- 33:36that can help with trying to figure out
- 33:39certain things that one needs to think
- 33:41about when you giving a course it out.
- 33:43And I think for instance there is there is
- 33:46a teaching center at the medical school.
- 33:49There's a teaching center at the
- 33:50University called before Cetera,
- 33:52so so I think that as you,
- 33:54as one is designing curriculum once
- 33:56to think about when one needs to think
- 33:59about these things and ask for help.
- 34:01But I agree with you that very
- 34:03often we fall into, you know,
- 34:05we we are well meaning,
- 34:07but we say things that don't quite
- 34:08fit the Times Now and encourage
- 34:10faculty who interviews sooner.
- 34:12So actually think about that
- 34:14and and ask for help.
- 34:15There are centers that can
- 34:17help you with that.
- 34:19So yeah, we we.
- 34:20We do have centers because again,
- 34:22that's on there that we would call
- 34:24that the scholarship and teaching
- 34:26prong of this of this work.
- 34:27And so in the curriculum space.
- 34:29That's exactly what we want to do.
- 34:31You go to the public center or the
- 34:33center that's in the medical school.
- 34:35But we're also mean faculty are are
- 34:37people outside of their professions,
- 34:39and so part of what we've been
- 34:41really focusing on is making sure
- 34:42that we're bringing speakers to
- 34:44campus with these larger events so
- 34:46that faculty might be interested in.
- 34:48Also going to those.
- 34:49As well, so the Ibram Kendi
- 34:50event had about 1100 people,
- 34:52I think 2 or 302 hundred of them
- 34:54or something with faculty members.
- 34:55We can actually track where they were,
- 34:57so we're trying to make sure that we are.
- 35:00We are supporting you not only in
- 35:01your curriculum and your resource,
- 35:03but also just in your own understanding.
- 35:05Some of the ideas that are going on so
- 35:07that so that you have what you need
- 35:09to be able to interact with students,
- 35:11but also just with all learners,
- 35:13were all learning this stuff.
- 35:15Trying to be conscious of that as well.
- 35:18So
- 35:18several years ago, Willie and I
- 35:20Co chaired a committee for the Med
- 35:23school when they were working on
- 35:25the redesign of the curriculum,
- 35:27and one of the things that we had
- 35:30proposed was the development of
- 35:32multicultural Education Resource
- 35:33Center at Yale or we called Mercy Ann.
- 35:36I just wonder if there was
- 35:39any consideration of that.
- 35:40Just again, this central place
- 35:42where people could come for just
- 35:44this very thing that Bob Kearns
- 35:47was talking about where you can.
- 35:49Uh, if that's research that that's teaching,
- 35:51but this center that would allow for.
- 35:55Took the provision of resources.
- 35:57You know,
- 35:57it's
- 35:57interesting we talked about
- 35:58this about creating a poor root
- 36:00Center for inclusive practice,
- 36:01like we could we build a center
- 36:04that would actually we could just
- 36:05go to one place and you can get
- 36:08all of all of this in one place.
- 36:10And that's still sort of in the back of
- 36:12our mind, something we might work Tord.
- 36:16We're focusing on now is trying to
- 36:18figure out what what kind of skills
- 36:20says people need across the board.
- 36:21Back with the students,
- 36:23staff and alumni and then trying
- 36:24to fill in the blanks about what
- 36:26we can do immediately and then
- 36:27develop a long term strategy.
- 36:29But we have talked about
- 36:30trying to just have one.
- 36:32I don't know if we call it
- 36:34mercy actually like that.
- 36:36But we have talked about
- 36:37having just one place.
- 36:38It might be easier,
- 36:39but I think that might should be two or
- 36:42three years out before we can actually
- 36:44figure out what that would look like.
- 36:46Short term trading.
- 36:47Long term
- 36:48strategy. I think that I think Cindy
- 36:50there there was some benefits of
- 36:53centralizing the source of resources.
- 36:55Yeah, good example is when there was
- 36:58the national slowdown of work across
- 37:00universities for I think they also.
- 37:03The question was then what do people do
- 37:05in doing that day and the focus error
- 37:09actually developed some some studies,
- 37:11then courses short courses
- 37:12for that specific day.
- 37:14So so I think if you have a centralized.
- 37:18Unit you can actually have it
- 37:19respond to things fairly quickly,
- 37:21but also it's a.
- 37:22It's a place where people know they can
- 37:25go to get help and maybe at the Med school.
- 37:28For instance,
- 37:29maybe putting it in Darren's
- 37:31office might be a good idea.
- 37:35I appreciate that the strategy
- 37:36and all the suggestions around
- 37:38better to be proactive and
- 37:40seek out resources to help you.
- 37:43Do your best as a as a faculty
- 37:46in educational context.
- 37:47I also think that it's important that
- 37:50faculty that slip know that they're
- 37:52going to be supported by the leadership.
- 37:57You know, I think many of
- 37:58us feel a certain. You know,
- 38:00I'm a white man.
- 38:03You know on edge about in my some of my
- 38:06interactions and that I might
- 38:07say the wrong thing or somebody
- 38:09might take something that I say the wrong
- 38:11way and I'd want to know that people
- 38:13to know that I'm trying to do my best.
- 38:15But also if I do slip up and somebody
- 38:17is accusing me of something that
- 38:19I have support of leadership.
- 38:22Yeah yeah, one of the things
- 38:24that one of the reasons why we brought Dolly
- 38:27Chuggin first is because he talks about.
- 38:30The growth mindset right so that we are
- 38:32most of us were doing this work in no
- 38:35matter where we are and it have a growth
- 38:37mindset and I think that what we want to do
- 38:40is start to articulate for our community
- 38:42in particular students that you know.
- 38:45This is an art.
- 38:46Not only is an ongoing issue,
- 38:47but there are ways in which we're
- 38:49going to be learning things.
- 38:51Different ways of being different ways
- 38:52of doing different ways of speaking.
- 38:54We're all going to have to continually,
- 38:56you know, bro.
- 38:57And so part of what we want to do,
- 38:59and hopefully you'll see that is create
- 39:01a state of grace for people who are
- 39:03who are growing at different rates.
- 39:06Really important for us to all be successful?
- 39:09We want to be galvanized bar students.
- 39:11They're they're young,
- 39:12they know they have new ideas.
- 39:14But we also want to make sure,
- 39:16because interface that makes sense for them.
- 39:20So I'll work on that as well.
- 39:28So so, um, I'm curious about.
- 39:32Resources that might be available
- 39:35either within departments or within
- 39:38schools to develop mentoring programs.
- 39:41To address the distinctive
- 39:44needs of of the of diverse.
- 39:51New faculty hires an.
- 39:56Whether there is a plan for that?
- 40:02So. I, I think that.
- 40:07I think I think the my my sense.
- 40:11That's my sense.
- 40:12The mentoring programs will have to be
- 40:15tailored to the specific schools or
- 40:17departments or programs, the So what
- 40:20works on medicine may not work for.
- 40:23I don't know neurobiology. So so I so I.
- 40:27So I think that if you asking are
- 40:30there people who done it before and
- 40:32can advise one on how to do one?
- 40:34I think yes.
- 40:35Now I don't know there's going to
- 40:37be a central central resources.
- 40:39Let's say from the focus Officer
- 40:41presence office for mentoring specifically.
- 40:44Probably not.
- 40:44But this is something that can be
- 40:47negotiated at the school level for sure,
- 40:50and you probably know John that that
- 40:53Patrick O'Connor has a mentoring
- 40:54program for actually mental,
- 40:56so he teaches mentors or two
- 40:58how to be mentors,
- 40:59and it's been working pretty well.
- 41:02So it's something we fund
- 41:03from the Department,
- 41:04but it might make sense to
- 41:07fund it for more central.
- 41:10Position that remains to be determined,
- 41:12but I,
- 41:13but I think you're being
- 41:14a really important point.
- 41:16I think the issue of mentoring when
- 41:18we've asked faculty it's something
- 41:20that's at the top top of mind all
- 41:22the time for all junior faculty,
- 41:24and that's something that people
- 41:26feel they will get enough of.
- 41:30The other the other question,
- 41:32and I maybe this was alluded to
- 41:35in some ways earlier is that. That
- 41:41the need for potentially a small
- 41:44grant program to either help faculty
- 41:48get on back on track or two. 22
- 41:54kind of kickstart things.
- 41:58I think that that would be really helpful.
- 42:01I think particularly it would be.
- 42:04It might be worthwhile to look at
- 42:07the startup packages that diverse
- 42:09populations of faculty get when they
- 42:12joined the faculty and and this would
- 42:16be particularly valuable to have
- 42:18a small grants program targeting.
- 42:21Diverse faculty populations,
- 42:23if it could be shown that.
- 42:25They were disadvantaged at the
- 42:27outset when they joined the faculty.
- 42:29Yeah, right, that's a good point.
- 42:32So yeah, good point.
- 42:34So my comments about mentoring
- 42:36actually relate to all faculty,
- 42:38but I think underrepresented factors.
- 42:40You feel the burden not known.
- 42:42Men know mentoring more,
- 42:44but this is something that
- 42:46everyone complaints about.
- 42:49Yeah. I think there was a question
- 42:52submitted around if the history
- 42:54of indigenous peoples and their current
- 42:56roles inside would be considered by Yale
- 42:58as we are looking at our initiatives.
- 43:00So I see that as one of the questions that
- 43:03was submitted an one of the things we are,
- 43:06the committee has recommended in his report.
- 43:10But is it in the five year plan?
- 43:12Is that we not only look at the
- 43:14history of Yale and slavery,
- 43:16but right right after that?
- 43:18Look at the history of yellow
- 43:19with indigenous peoples so that we
- 43:21have some sense of our own history
- 43:23and so that so once we finish
- 43:25the conversation around slavery,
- 43:26there are our next goal would be
- 43:28to try to try to understand our
- 43:30relationship to Indigenous people so
- 43:32we can have that conversation too.
- 43:34And I think that part of what we
- 43:36we are definitely looking at and
- 43:38we expected my unit plans.
- 43:39Our conversations with.
- 43:40The Native American Cultural
- 43:42Center are Native Americans,
- 43:44faculty and staff about what some
- 43:45of the needs are and what sort of
- 43:48research is so that that would
- 43:49be incorporated into the some of
- 43:51the larger plans as well.
- 43:53But a lot of that's probably going
- 43:55to level within the research
- 43:56communities and some of the College
- 43:58in particular thinking of.
- 43:59But yes,
- 44:00we definitely intend to again look
- 44:02at that population as well.
- 44:04Yeah,
- 44:04and there was a question also
- 44:07about equity, so resources.
- 44:08So for instance you know many,
- 44:10many of the schools are working on
- 44:13equity and salary, and I think we've
- 44:15made significant progress on trying to
- 44:17make salary compensation, equitable.
- 44:19And the question is, is resources
- 44:21allocation equitable across the board?
- 44:23For instance,
- 44:24when your new faculty is being recruited,
- 44:26do they get the same sort of package?
- 44:29The same lab space or whatever
- 44:31they might need for their work?
- 44:34And and I think that's that is something
- 44:37we definitely want to focus on.
- 44:40And we believe that it has a
- 44:42large impact on on retention.
- 44:44So for instance,
- 44:45if somebody gets a lot more starter
- 44:48package and one other another,
- 44:50it is possible that the person who
- 44:53gets less will be less successful.
- 44:58And as a as an attempt to
- 45:00jump start the process,
- 45:02what we're going to focus on when we
- 45:05provide federal funding is to actually
- 45:07require that the the Department or
- 45:10the OR the chair submits a mentoring
- 45:12plan for the person to tell us
- 45:15what is going to be happening.
- 45:17Once you get fairly funding for
- 45:19the person and will try to get
- 45:22a sense of what resources are
- 45:24available and how does it compare to.
- 45:27With others working recruited so
- 45:28it is not an easy thing to do
- 45:30because all these discussions
- 45:32are usually private discussions.
- 45:33There is no standard equipment package,
- 45:35but we will try our best to try to
- 45:38figure out what the plan for the person
- 45:41will recruit using federal funding.
- 45:43For instance,
- 45:44something we have some control
- 45:46over for that person going forward.
- 45:48And we recognize that there
- 45:51are often inequities.
- 45:53For whatever reason,
- 45:54how people get set up at the
- 45:56beginning and the initial conditions
- 45:58are really important in how you,
- 46:00whether or not you are successful.
- 46:07If I may, I think it's that that's critical.
- 46:09Setting people up to starting from
- 46:11the same initial conditions into
- 46:13combat in equities and startup.
- 46:16But because faculty from traditionally
- 46:19underrepresented backgrounds
- 46:20and disadvantaged backgrounds
- 46:21are also swimming upstream.
- 46:24Against Univair against minority
- 46:26tax and against micro aggression
- 46:27against other cultural.
- 46:28Things that may make their lives and
- 46:31their success more difficult even
- 46:32if they're starting from the same
- 46:34starting point in terms of resources,
- 46:36I think it's critical to recognize
- 46:38that there may be necessary necessity.
- 46:40They may hit bumps in the road,
- 46:42and there may be a necessity
- 46:44for support along the way.
- 46:46That's acknowledged.
- 46:47Certainly in the emphasis that
- 46:48you've made on Mentor ship,
- 46:50but that's going to that may require
- 46:52at times access to resources as well.
- 46:55Bridge funding and other things.
- 46:56And so I think it's important to not
- 46:59have the discussion of resources
- 47:01and equity of resources focused too
- 47:03much on equity because the fact is
- 47:06it may take a little more resources
- 47:08to help someone be successful
- 47:10if they are disadvantaged in
- 47:11other non financial ways.
- 47:13And it's necessary to make sure
- 47:15discussion of resources isn't just about
- 47:17equity and startup but also about
- 47:19the potential necessary necessity
- 47:20to help along the way in order to
- 47:23combat the non fiscal structural.
- 47:25Impediments that people may be
- 47:27pushing against in order to. I agree.
- 47:29I mean, I think I think that equity
- 47:31doesn't mean the resources are equal.
- 47:34I think equity means the resources that you
- 47:36needed to be successful or given to you.
- 47:39So depends on what you're doing and
- 47:41depends on what your current situation is.
- 47:44So we are aware of this distinction
- 47:46and will try to. Figure it out,
- 47:49but this is this is really a team work.
- 47:52It can't be run by the president's
- 47:54office or by the Post office.
- 47:56This is really at the level of the
- 47:58section 'cause all the appointments
- 47:59are made by section or program
- 48:01leaders or or Department chairs.
- 48:03And that's and I think this is
- 48:05where the emphasis will be.
- 48:10Other questions.
- 48:17Um? Let's see in the
- 48:20chat. Yeah, mandatory sexual
- 48:22harassment training is an effective
- 48:24way to teach employees. Right,
- 48:26so you're asking if there's going to
- 48:28be training around race and racism.
- 48:30Yeah, so part of what we're looking
- 48:32at is what training is going on
- 48:34and what orientations are going on.
- 48:36We're doing. Analysis will be doing
- 48:38that and figure out where we where.
- 48:40We might have gaps so.
- 48:43So stay tuned for that.
- 48:44We were going to do some don't
- 48:46know if it's gonna be training.
- 48:47Education will figure out what it
- 48:49means to be doing what what we need.
- 48:51But they need people need to
- 48:52know about our initiatives,
- 48:53our expectations and we need
- 48:54to be consistent in what we're
- 48:56saying across the board.
- 48:57So we will do that.
- 48:58I don't know what's going to be mandatory.
- 49:00Haven't figured that out yet.
- 49:03Because some actually some of our
- 49:04psychology faculty told us that
- 49:05sometimes management doesn't work
- 49:06for when you talk about race.
- 49:08So we have to figure out with them and
- 49:10made with you what you would recommend.
- 49:12But we do know we have to do a lot
- 49:14of education and training around this
- 49:16issue for everybody across the board.
- 49:18So, so if I may ask the
- 49:20whole group of questions.
- 49:21So what do you think about
- 49:22mandatory versus number?
- 49:28I think mandatory is is good
- 49:31for your universal exposure,
- 49:32but no single event training is
- 49:35going to accomplish the objective of
- 49:37culture change that we want to see.
- 49:40And so I think if you combine it
- 49:42with other things and recognize
- 49:45that a mandatory training is the
- 49:47beginning of a discussion and that
- 49:50the discussion needs to take place,
- 49:52then
- 49:53it's not so bad. We gotta do something
- 49:57plus plus mandatory training. Yeah yeah
- 50:00I think. Thinking about it as.
- 50:04No professional development two
- 50:051.0 two .0 three point 4 point so
- 50:07that you could continue to grow and
- 50:09continue to have conversations in
- 50:10different ways at different times.
- 50:12This has to be so,
- 50:13so we I think we're using your
- 50:15assumption to build out the
- 50:17program that we will see,
- 50:18but we won't see it for a year 'cause
- 50:20we have to actually figure out what
- 50:22the baseline is now who's doing what,
- 50:24what it looks like is it being effective?
- 50:27But John,
- 50:28you're going to say something else.
- 50:29You're going
- 50:30to. Yeah, I was going to say one other thing,
- 50:32which is that I I see the role of
- 50:34the mandatory training is giving
- 50:36the people the vocabulary to
- 50:38participate in the discussion.
- 50:40If you were going to have a
- 50:43program on French literature,
- 50:45you'd have a mandatory entry course
- 50:48on French, because otherwise they
- 50:51couldn't participate in.
- 50:52And maybe this discussion of racism should
- 50:56be approached similarly with the good
- 50:58news is we just hired.
- 51:02Name Elizabeth Conklin.
- 51:03She started in September and she is
- 51:05overseeing all of our discrimination,
- 51:07harassment policies,
- 51:08procedures are in our all of our
- 51:10Accessibility programs as well,
- 51:12and she's actually doing the first
- 51:14look at what we have available.
- 51:16So can standpoint of just you know
- 51:18your entry and what we actually have
- 51:20to require for compliance purposes.
- 51:22She will be looking at that and so
- 51:25we'll have some recommendations
- 51:26for her at least a month or so.
- 51:29So start with.
- 51:30But again, I,
- 51:31I think that we have adopted your.
- 51:34Comment John to think that you
- 51:35can't just do one thing and
- 51:37expect people to feel like they
- 51:39know what they're doing.
- 51:40So we've got to figure out a way
- 51:42to sort of layer our conversations
- 51:44in different ways for different
- 51:46different audiences.
- 51:48I think the challenges we don't from
- 51:50the field have a lot of effective
- 51:53interventions around training.
- 51:55There are some and one person is coming,
- 51:58Patricia Divine in a couple of weeks,
- 52:00but I think that's the challenge.
- 52:03What happens if you're implementing
- 52:05training that's not affect effective?
- 52:07Or has bacha genic effects and so?
- 52:09I think that's what you have to
- 52:12really think about as well what?
- 52:15What's the evidence behind the training?
- 52:18And I think there's evidence to show
- 52:20that mandating does not necessarily work
- 52:22to change in the ways that you want.
- 52:24So I think it really has to depend
- 52:27on the quality of that training.
- 52:30Yeah, and that's part of why we're really,
- 52:32really focused on the assessment piece
- 52:34of trying to set everything that we're
- 52:36doing so we can make course corrections.
- 52:38We can abandon something that just
- 52:40doesn't seem to be working well.
- 52:42You know we have all these faculty,
- 52:44wonderful faculty members.
- 52:45We want to be able to to use
- 52:48their wisdom and an there,
- 52:49and your sense of research to
- 52:51figure out what we're doing.
- 52:52We're not going well and build.
- 52:54Build some something that we can
- 52:56improve is working for ourselves
- 52:58and for our communities and for the
- 53:01higher education in general so.
- 53:02So you're right,
- 53:03that's what we got to sort of look at.
- 53:06What we know now what we want
- 53:07now in the future.
- 53:13Any other questions or comments?
- 53:16I hope I didn't miss anything in the chat.
- 53:24How? Alright, well thank you
- 53:27both so much. I know is incredibly
- 53:29challenging to schedule given
- 53:31everyones busy busy schedule.
- 53:33So I really appreciate you being
- 53:35here and hopefully we can have you
- 53:38back for updates periodically and
- 53:40also where you can learn about what
- 53:42we're doing in in the Department.
- 53:44We have a lot going on here as well,
- 53:48so thank you all for joining
- 53:50this afternoon and definitely
- 53:51conversations to be continued.