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YSM Science Fellows Program Information Session 2024

September 19, 2024
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12095

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  • 00:03Okay.
  • 00:06Hi, everyone. Welcome to this
  • 00:08information session
  • 00:09on the science fellows program
  • 00:11of the Yale School of
  • 00:12Medicine.
  • 00:13Thank you so much for
  • 00:14joining us.
  • 00:16I have to say that
  • 00:16I don't see most of
  • 00:18you right now. Kristen, you're
  • 00:19probably seeing more people.
  • 00:22But our goal today is,
  • 00:25to give you some basic
  • 00:26information about the program and
  • 00:27the application process,
  • 00:29and then to dedicate most
  • 00:31of the time to any
  • 00:32questions that you may have.
  • 00:37Oops. Okay.
  • 00:39So this is the agenda
  • 00:40for today. We'll introduce the
  • 00:42program briefly,
  • 00:43talk about the application process
  • 00:45and selection process,
  • 00:47give you some advice on
  • 00:48how to write a good
  • 00:49application,
  • 00:50and then, again, your questions.
  • 00:56Our goal in this program
  • 00:58is to recruit, support, and
  • 01:00retain
  • 01:01the best possible scientists that
  • 01:03we can find from diverse
  • 01:05backgrounds. So we're interested in
  • 01:07all of you and the
  • 01:08research that you're doing and
  • 01:09your leadership,
  • 01:11and this is our third
  • 01:12year.
  • 01:13We've had great experience with
  • 01:15the first and second years.
  • 01:17Just to give you the
  • 01:18names of our fabulous fellows,
  • 01:21this is from the first
  • 01:22year,
  • 01:23three fantastic fellows.
  • 01:25And then the second year,
  • 01:27those are fellows that are
  • 01:28just starting right now.
  • 01:31And we are in the
  • 01:32process of of recruiting the
  • 01:34third year fellows.
  • 01:38What is the program?
  • 01:40So the idea is to
  • 01:42recruit higher people
  • 01:44at the level of postdoc,
  • 01:46but it's really a super
  • 01:47postdoc.
  • 01:48Right? So,
  • 01:50we provide
  • 01:51mentoring from several mentors.
  • 01:55Fellows coming in will have
  • 01:56a mentoring commit mentoring committee.
  • 01:58They'll get support from individuals
  • 02:00with similar life experiences.
  • 02:04They will get training that
  • 02:05they'll need.
  • 02:07And importantly, there is general
  • 02:09salary and independent research funding
  • 02:11where the idea, the goal
  • 02:13is to keep you here,
  • 02:14to give you everything you
  • 02:16need to do the best
  • 02:17that you can and keep
  • 02:18you here as faculty members
  • 02:20at the Yale School of
  • 02:21Medicine.
  • 02:28The funding is a general
  • 02:29salary.
  • 02:31It started as ninety thousand.
  • 02:32It's all actually, a little
  • 02:34bit more than that already,
  • 02:36plus for benefits.
  • 02:38Discretionary
  • 02:39funds
  • 02:39for moving,
  • 02:40for,
  • 02:42learning courses,
  • 02:43anything that you may want.
  • 02:46Research support, independent
  • 02:48research support for you that
  • 02:50you'll get from the department
  • 02:52that you will be in
  • 02:53fifty thousand a year.
  • 02:56In addition,
  • 02:57we have,
  • 02:59grant mechanism
  • 03:00at the program where you'll
  • 03:02be able to apply
  • 03:03for additional funding up to
  • 03:05one hundred thousand a year.
  • 03:07So the idea is for
  • 03:08you to be able to
  • 03:09pursue your independent
  • 03:10research direction.
  • 03:12You'll have mentors. You'll be
  • 03:14postdocs in a lab or
  • 03:15more than one lab. You'll
  • 03:17get mentorship and guidance and,
  • 03:20training, but you'll also have
  • 03:22enough resources
  • 03:24to develop your own independent
  • 03:26research direction.
  • 03:31And there is a pretty
  • 03:32simple straightforward
  • 03:34application
  • 03:35process.
  • 03:38Kristen, do you wanna talk
  • 03:39about the application process?
  • 03:41Yeah. So
  • 03:43what we're really trying to
  • 03:44do here is
  • 03:46review
  • 03:47all the applicants in a
  • 03:49way that's more holistic,
  • 03:52than an a classical
  • 03:54postdoc search or faculty search.
  • 03:56Right? Postdoc search are
  • 03:59disproportionately
  • 03:59based on a PI's networks.
  • 04:01Right? Any given PI
  • 04:04tends to get applicants from
  • 04:05those labs that they have
  • 04:07collaborated and worked with
  • 04:09and
  • 04:11tends not you know, no
  • 04:13single PI is incentivized to
  • 04:15take a risk on a
  • 04:16student outside their mentors. They're
  • 04:18all recruiting such small numbers.
  • 04:19And so
  • 04:20by having all the applicants
  • 04:22come through the Yale School
  • 04:23of Medicine
  • 04:24and then down to the
  • 04:25department chairs,
  • 04:28we're really it's it's almost
  • 04:29much more like a PhD
  • 04:30application
  • 04:31where there's a a a
  • 04:33great number of applications at
  • 04:34the top, and we're pulling
  • 04:35out the very best people
  • 04:36and then assigning them or
  • 04:38to or or focusing them
  • 04:40towards neuro or genetics
  • 04:42or cell biology here. And
  • 04:44so the goal really is
  • 04:45to find
  • 04:46the very best possible future
  • 04:48faculty
  • 04:49independent of research direction
  • 04:51and then point you to
  • 04:52the right department and right
  • 04:54contact.
  • 04:55And so
  • 04:56what we're asking for is
  • 04:57actually we're trying to make
  • 04:58it really minimal because we
  • 05:00know that you're all from
  • 05:01different backgrounds.
  • 05:03The first thing is a
  • 05:04research statement. We have now
  • 05:06greatly expanded the instructions in
  • 05:08the application for a research
  • 05:09statement because
  • 05:11we found in the first
  • 05:11year that it was really
  • 05:13variable
  • 05:14what people would include. And
  • 05:15so the idea here is
  • 05:16basically think about your research
  • 05:18statement as one third, one
  • 05:19third, one third.
  • 05:20One third about what you've
  • 05:22done
  • 05:23and how that sets the
  • 05:24foundation
  • 05:25for one third, what you
  • 05:27wanna do short term in
  • 05:28the postdoc phase, to one
  • 05:30third, how that foundation and
  • 05:33postdoc phase will set you
  • 05:35up for an independent research
  • 05:36phase where, ultimately, you're going
  • 05:38to be different from other
  • 05:40people at Yale. Right? Because
  • 05:41we wanna keep you here.
  • 05:43So we're not trying to
  • 05:44turn you into a clone
  • 05:46of the postdoc mentor that
  • 05:47you'd be choosing here. Right?
  • 05:49We wanna take where you've
  • 05:50been, where you're going, and
  • 05:52see a new
  • 05:54Yale faculty member.
  • 05:55And so this research statement
  • 05:57should show us this vision
  • 05:58of past, present, future.
  • 06:00We want to understand
  • 06:02why that future
  • 06:04research direction is so important
  • 06:06and something that Yale
  • 06:08should include. Right? So don't
  • 06:10forget to give us the
  • 06:10premise. Here's the important problem
  • 06:12that you wanna spend, if
  • 06:14not your career, the next
  • 06:15five or ten years really
  • 06:17pursuing.
  • 06:18And so that's sort of
  • 06:19the idea for
  • 06:21the
  • 06:23research statement.
  • 06:25The next one's more of
  • 06:26a personal statement now. So
  • 06:31to put it bluntly, we
  • 06:33want to bring really fantastic
  • 06:36faculty members who will be
  • 06:37great for our community here.
  • 06:39So that means both scientifically
  • 06:42great and mentoring great. Right?
  • 06:44Like, I think a lot
  • 06:45of faculty searches
  • 06:47are only looking for science.
  • 06:48Great. Here, we're equally weighting
  • 06:50community. Great. And research. Great.
  • 06:52We're not down weighting research.
  • 06:54But if if before you
  • 06:56might have had, you know,
  • 06:57a hundred fantastic scientists,
  • 06:59twenty of whom would have
  • 07:00also made the community. Great.
  • 07:02We really only want to
  • 07:03interview the twenty who are
  • 07:05fantastic scientists and will make
  • 07:06our community great. And so
  • 07:08we wanna know what your
  • 07:09leadership experiences are, how you've
  • 07:11contributed to diversity
  • 07:14in
  • 07:15science, in your department, in
  • 07:16your community,
  • 07:18what you've done to uplift
  • 07:19others,
  • 07:21what your background is, if
  • 07:23you yourself bring diversity. You
  • 07:25know, like, we we really
  • 07:27wanna know
  • 07:28how our trainees, how our
  • 07:30community will be better for
  • 07:31your presence. Right?
  • 07:33NIH bio style biosketch ought
  • 07:36to be self evident. We
  • 07:37put a template in there
  • 07:38for you, and then three
  • 07:40confidential letters of recommendation.
  • 07:42One of those
  • 07:45I'm just laughing at the
  • 07:46comments.
  • 07:47One of those should definitely
  • 07:49be or hopefully be your
  • 07:50PhD adviser. There's always a
  • 07:51couple of things where, like,
  • 07:52if something's gone
  • 07:54really
  • 07:57wrong, you might not have
  • 07:58a relationship with your PhD
  • 07:59adviser, and that's totally fine.
  • 08:00But in general, we wanna
  • 08:02know
  • 08:05who knows you best. So
  • 08:06whether that's your adviser, the
  • 08:07chair of your committee, a
  • 08:08collaborator,
  • 08:10you do
  • 08:11not and are not expected
  • 08:12and are not encouraged
  • 08:14to get letters from Yale
  • 08:15faculty that you don't know
  • 08:16saying that you're going to
  • 08:17apply to them. Right? We
  • 08:19want people who know you
  • 08:20now, who know your trajectory
  • 08:21now. I'd rather have an
  • 08:22undergrad research mentor who knew
  • 08:24you well for four years
  • 08:25than a Yale faculty who
  • 08:26never met you.
  • 08:28So
  • 08:30really focus on who can
  • 08:31speak to your trajectory
  • 08:33moving forward.
  • 08:35Yeah. And so, again, the
  • 08:37two things that we really
  • 08:39wanna equally weight here is
  • 08:41that research statement,
  • 08:43not just what you did,
  • 08:44but why it's important, how
  • 08:45it will impact the field,
  • 08:46and your personal statement. The
  • 08:48things about you that will
  • 08:49make you a great member
  • 08:50for our community, that will
  • 08:52make
  • 08:53our trainees flourish with you
  • 08:54as a mentor. We are
  • 08:55not just looking for postdocs.
  • 08:57We are looking for faculty
  • 08:59too.
  • 09:13Okay. So the way that
  • 09:15we have this right now,
  • 09:16the application deadline is November
  • 09:18first. We do not anticipate
  • 09:20any extensions this year. Please
  • 09:22do not plan for any
  • 09:23extensions.
  • 09:24We want the November first
  • 09:25because in all honesty, PhD
  • 09:27applications are due December first,
  • 09:28and we have to get
  • 09:30a little bit of this
  • 09:30with momentum before the next
  • 09:32thousand applications come into faculty
  • 09:34to evaluate the school of
  • 09:35medicine.
  • 09:36So we are gonna put
  • 09:37together
  • 09:39a committee of,
  • 09:41folks involved with the Yale
  • 09:42School of Medicine and also
  • 09:43representatives from those departments who
  • 09:45are most enthusiastic
  • 09:47about hosting Yale School of
  • 09:48Medicine faculty this year. They
  • 09:49are going to first review
  • 09:50just the research statements,
  • 09:52and the the personal statements.
  • 09:54And
  • 09:55then we will,
  • 09:56as a committee, identify ten
  • 09:58to fifteen member or applicants
  • 09:59who will be invited for
  • 10:05Zoom interviews. Last year, I
  • 10:06think the notification for that
  • 10:07went out just after Thanksgiving,
  • 10:09but we couldn't schedule the
  • 10:11interviews till the New Year.
  • 10:12We sure wouldn't mind if
  • 10:14we could both in notify
  • 10:16and interview in December, but
  • 10:17I think, again, this year,
  • 10:18the placeholder dates will be
  • 10:19in January.
  • 10:22We will circulate in advance
  • 10:24two of the seven questions.
  • 10:25All of you will get
  • 10:26the same questions if you're
  • 10:27invited to a Zoom interview.
  • 10:29And then from the ten
  • 10:30to fifteen applicants,
  • 10:32we'll prioritize about half for
  • 10:34in person visits.
  • 10:36In the past two years,
  • 10:37that has really not been
  • 10:39a lot to differentiate the
  • 10:40seven to eight in person
  • 10:41finalists and the ten to
  • 10:42fifteen Zooms in terms of
  • 10:44their science and their excellence.
  • 10:45It's actually been much more
  • 10:46about the fit for the
  • 10:47departments.
  • 10:48Right? So we don't wanna
  • 10:50waste your time and have
  • 10:51you interview in person
  • 10:52if we don't think that
  • 10:54that chair is appropriately enthusiastic
  • 10:56about you to begin with.
  • 10:57And so for those, departments
  • 11:00where there is a strong
  • 11:02desire
  • 11:03to meet and host and
  • 11:06recruit, that's what we're prioritizing
  • 11:08here on Fit. And the
  • 11:09goal is to make up
  • 11:10to four offers. In the
  • 11:12last two years, we've made
  • 11:13four offers both years. Right,
  • 11:15Iffa? Yeah.
  • 11:21And so, mostly, we wanted
  • 11:23open time for questions
  • 11:24because
  • 11:26that was a lot of
  • 11:26information.
  • 11:28There is a FAQ on
  • 11:29our website that, basically, every
  • 11:31time somebody emailed us a
  • 11:32question last year, we posted
  • 11:34the answer so that all
  • 11:35applicants could see it. That's
  • 11:36still there. It will grow
  • 11:38this year as more questions
  • 11:39come in. This meeting will
  • 11:41be recorded so you can
  • 11:42come back and look at
  • 11:42it again.
  • 11:43You're welcome to ask us
  • 11:45questions.
  • 11:46Now please don't hesitate to
  • 11:48because in all likelihood, if
  • 11:49you're thinking it, twenty other
  • 11:50people on this call are
  • 11:52thinking it too.
  • 11:55Nothing will be held against
  • 11:56you. Obviously, we're not keeping
  • 11:57track if you ask what.
  • 11:59Great. Our first question, Ruby.
  • 12:02Hi. My name is Ruby.
  • 12:04Thanks for hosting this session.
  • 12:05I just wanted to clarify.
  • 12:07For the hundred thousand
  • 12:09in competitive research funding,
  • 12:11is that for all of
  • 12:13the fellows to compete for
  • 12:14every year, or is that
  • 12:15within one year? Like, as
  • 12:17the program gets bigger, is
  • 12:19that pie sort of getting
  • 12:21divided and want smaller and
  • 12:22smaller,
  • 12:23or more and more people?
  • 12:25That's a great question.
  • 12:26And the answer is the
  • 12:27pie gets bigger each year.
  • 12:29So we're actually happy hoping
  • 12:30to have one third of
  • 12:31the fellows
  • 12:32ideally get the pot each
  • 12:34year.
  • 12:36So there's a set funding
  • 12:37ratio is, I guess, what
  • 12:38I'm saying.
  • 12:42Nasreen?
  • 12:45Hi. Hi, Nasreen.
  • 12:47I had a question about,
  • 12:49research interests. So,
  • 12:52I have a very specific,
  • 12:55research interest, unfortunately,
  • 12:57But that means that it's
  • 12:58kind of hard to find
  • 12:59a good
  • 13:00fit.
  • 13:02So I was wondering, like,
  • 13:03how close
  • 13:04or how different does a
  • 13:07research,
  • 13:08interest need to be to
  • 13:09be,
  • 13:10considered?
  • 13:14To be truly considered?
  • 13:15Any research interest that could
  • 13:17potentially,
  • 13:19be accommodated at the school
  • 13:21of medicine in a department
  • 13:22in one of the departments
  • 13:24at the school of medicine
  • 13:26is fine. It's totally fine
  • 13:27that you have a specific
  • 13:28direction that you are interested
  • 13:30in.
  • 13:31And it may be something
  • 13:32that nobody else else is
  • 13:34pursuing here, and that will
  • 13:36actually make it attractive
  • 13:38for departments that want to
  • 13:39expand their research direction along,
  • 13:43what you are proposing.
  • 13:45So definitely as long as
  • 13:46you can think of a
  • 13:48department
  • 13:49at the school of medicine
  • 13:51where your research could fit
  • 13:53in, that's fine. And as
  • 13:55I'm sure you know,
  • 13:57departments in school of medicines
  • 13:59these days are very
  • 14:01interdisciplinary.
  • 14:02There's a lot of,
  • 14:04many different research directions that
  • 14:06are pursued by the same
  • 14:07department. So this is totally
  • 14:08fine.
  • 14:09With the caveat
  • 14:11that the school of public
  • 14:12health has separated from the
  • 14:14school of medicine, and so
  • 14:16we had a couple of
  • 14:16really amazing applications last year
  • 14:19that were deemed
  • 14:20too close to public health
  • 14:22interest.
  • 14:23Likewise, engineering
  • 14:24is separate from the school
  • 14:26of medicine. And so
  • 14:28it doesn't mean engineers are
  • 14:29not eligible, but the project
  • 14:31that and the research direction,
  • 14:34you don't want your reviewers
  • 14:36discussing that you would be
  • 14:37a better fit for engineering
  • 14:38or a better fit. Right?
  • 14:39They don't want you to
  • 14:40put you from where you're
  • 14:41gonna fail. And so,
  • 14:44be mindful that engineering and
  • 14:46public health
  • 14:48are not school of medicine.
  • 14:50I have another question based
  • 14:52on that, actually. For psychology.
  • 14:54Right? That's that's the other
  • 14:55one I I wanna add.
  • 14:56Psychology,
  • 14:57public health, engineering, not school
  • 14:58of medicine. Okay. As to
  • 15:00add to this, any faculty
  • 15:03members have dual appointments or
  • 15:05secondary appointments or maybe interested
  • 15:07in someone who does engineering
  • 15:09work, but they're also
  • 15:11part of a department in
  • 15:12the school of medicine. So
  • 15:13you should,
  • 15:15frame your project as appropriate
  • 15:18for the department in the
  • 15:19school of medicine
  • 15:20even though it may have
  • 15:22engineering
  • 15:22aspects.
  • 15:24I see.
  • 15:26Thank you.
  • 15:30There are a few questions
  • 15:32in the chat.
  • 15:35Yeah. I'm just typing in
  • 15:36answers too. So the first
  • 15:38question that I see is,
  • 15:40is the funding able to
  • 15:41be used for hiring students?
  • 15:42And I tried to write
  • 15:43post bacc and got autocorrect
  • 15:45to post
  • 15:46bacc. Post bacc, so fresh
  • 15:48out of college,
  • 15:49students would be absolutely appropriate.
  • 15:51Like, that's what we call
  • 15:52a tech around here. And
  • 15:54a re a new fellow
  • 15:56who who just graduated their
  • 15:57PhD obviously cannot be a
  • 15:58sole mentor for a PhD
  • 16:00student, so that wouldn't fly.
  • 16:02But, a postbac would be
  • 16:04totally reasonable.
  • 16:05If you already started your
  • 16:06post, doc, you have to
  • 16:08choose one to three departments.
  • 16:10If you're already here at
  • 16:11Yale, we're not necessarily
  • 16:13trying to make you
  • 16:14redirect your whole research career.
  • 16:16But, again, the goal is
  • 16:18to be different than your
  • 16:18mentor. So make sure you're
  • 16:20thinking about that in your
  • 16:21proposal.
  • 16:24And, again, interdisciplinary
  • 16:26is totally fine. It will
  • 16:28be seen by multiple departments,
  • 16:29and I would say that
  • 16:30I think three quarters or
  • 16:31more of the applicants last
  • 16:32year were interviewed by two
  • 16:34departments or centers.
  • 16:38And API status
  • 16:41for brands,
  • 16:43you can apply to anything
  • 16:44that a postdoc can apply
  • 16:46to, and you can also
  • 16:47be,
  • 16:48get the status of an
  • 16:50associate research scientist, and then,
  • 16:52you could apply as a
  • 16:53p a API to anything,
  • 16:55faculty can apply to.
  • 17:01So, again, to clarify biomedical
  • 17:03engineering and bioengineering
  • 17:05qualify if the project fits
  • 17:07in the school of medicine.
  • 17:08If the project is better
  • 17:10suited for an engineering department,
  • 17:12it will not.
  • 17:14And is there a limitation
  • 17:15on international applicants? No. There's
  • 17:17no visa limitation.
  • 17:19And there is a place
  • 17:20to indicate
  • 17:21departments.
  • 17:24So there there are actually
  • 17:25fields that allow you to
  • 17:26input up to three departments
  • 17:28and six potential mentors. Again,
  • 17:30you don't have to include
  • 17:31mentors, but if there are
  • 17:32people
  • 17:33specific people that you're already
  • 17:35thinking of as potentially suitable
  • 17:37for you, you can include
  • 17:38them.
  • 17:41Now for,
  • 17:43hand raising, Tiare.
  • 17:48Hi. I was wondering, like,
  • 17:50if you already, like
  • 17:52so I'm a adjunct,
  • 17:54professor at University of New
  • 17:56Haven. Also,
  • 17:58I work,
  • 17:59with PolyJet Lumiere,
  • 18:00mentoring students.
  • 18:02So how can we bring
  • 18:03in those students into
  • 18:05those roles as well? Like,
  • 18:06if I'm mentoring students and
  • 18:07they wanna have research experience,
  • 18:09I'm doing one more experience
  • 18:10with those.
  • 18:11Can I add that to,
  • 18:14this application as well? Like,
  • 18:15can I bring in those
  • 18:16high school students who are
  • 18:17interested in, like,
  • 18:19what I'm doing research wise?
  • 18:24Do you mean bringing,
  • 18:26this as
  • 18:27including this as part of
  • 18:29the application? Bringing students here
  • 18:31from University of New Haven,
  • 18:33for example? Yes. So I
  • 18:34have so I am an
  • 18:35adjunct professor at University of
  • 18:37New Haven in biochemistry,
  • 18:39but also to, like, if
  • 18:41I have one on one
  • 18:42sessions with students through Polygence
  • 18:45and Lumiere with math, science,
  • 18:46engineering
  • 18:47as one on one tutoring.
  • 18:49Can I bring this into
  • 18:50the application?
  • 18:51How does that look?
  • 18:53Also to,
  • 18:54can I put that on,
  • 18:55like, my application
  • 18:57with, like, mentorship,
  • 18:58teaching,
  • 19:00whatnot? Absolutely.
  • 19:01Yeah. In your personal statement,
  • 19:03this would be a a
  • 19:04really great place to talk
  • 19:05about that sort of thing.
  • 19:08There was one question that
  • 19:10I really wanna address out
  • 19:12loud.
  • 19:13What is the process for
  • 19:14transitioning to a Yale faculty
  • 19:16position? Is there a direct
  • 19:17route? Do I have to
  • 19:18apply for open faculty searches
  • 19:19like external candidates?
  • 19:21And so one of the,
  • 19:22I think, coolest things about
  • 19:24this is
  • 19:25before you even accept the
  • 19:26Yale fellows position,
  • 19:28you get to have a
  • 19:29discussion with the department chair,
  • 19:31the department that's accepting you
  • 19:32about what the metrics for
  • 19:33promotion will be.
  • 19:35Right? And so, usually, these
  • 19:36look like things like either
  • 19:38have a funded k ninety
  • 19:39nine or have a k
  • 19:40ninety nine with a really
  • 19:41good score
  • 19:42or
  • 19:43have
  • 19:44a a paper accepted or
  • 19:45a really exciting preprint.
  • 19:48Some departments are actually intentionally
  • 19:50holding for more flexibility. Like,
  • 19:51oh, we you know, this
  • 19:52person's really great, and we
  • 19:53don't actually care if they
  • 19:54miss the percentile by two
  • 19:55cut offs
  • 19:58for the k ninety nine.
  • 19:58We just wanna see that
  • 19:59they're competitive.
  • 20:00Some of the others wanna
  • 20:02have it, but, like, you
  • 20:03and the chair get to
  • 20:05mutually decide on the expectations
  • 20:07that you and the chair
  • 20:08decide are adequate to basically
  • 20:11ensure
  • 20:13that successful transition.
  • 20:16And, no, you don't have
  • 20:17to compete against externals. It's,
  • 20:19they have to hold
  • 20:21space,
  • 20:22slot, and funding,
  • 20:24for you from the moment
  • 20:25they sign that letter as
  • 20:26a fellow for when you're
  • 20:28ready,
  • 20:29on the assumption that you're
  • 20:30going to meet those metrics.
  • 20:34There's a question about joint
  • 20:36mentorship from outside the school
  • 20:37of medicine. This is possible,
  • 20:39but the primary mentor will
  • 20:41have to be from the
  • 20:41school of medicine. You can
  • 20:43get as much mentorship as
  • 20:45you need, and we encourage
  • 20:46you to get mentorship from
  • 20:47outside the school of medicine.
  • 20:49For sure, your primary mentorship
  • 20:51will be at the school
  • 20:51of medicine.
  • 20:57Yes, Elise?
  • 20:59Hi. Thanks for this.
  • 21:02Does that mean as you're
  • 21:03transitioning
  • 21:04to a full faculty member,
  • 21:07does,
  • 21:07when does the tenure track
  • 21:10clock start,
  • 21:11when you're in this program?
  • 21:13Starts when you're appointed as
  • 21:15an assistant professor. So your
  • 21:16time here as a fellow,
  • 21:18as a post doc, doesn't,
  • 21:20account for the tenure clock.
  • 21:22Got it. Thank
  • 21:24you.
  • 21:26And Sanchez?
  • 21:29Sure. Hello. Thank you for
  • 21:30this conversation.
  • 21:31I wanted some clarity. I
  • 21:33wasn't,
  • 21:34I didn't hear exactly what
  • 21:35you said about the teaching
  • 21:37component.
  • 21:38Are we required to teach,
  • 21:39and will that be okay?
  • 21:41You're not?
  • 21:42You're not required to teach.
  • 21:43You can teach if you'd
  • 21:45like. If you would.
  • 21:47You're encouraged to mentor
  • 21:49people, but there's no,
  • 21:51formal teaching requirement. No.
  • 21:53We are trying to protect
  • 21:56your time to do what
  • 21:57is needed to get promoted
  • 21:59in the sense that,
  • 22:01you know, there are a
  • 22:01lot of preexisting
  • 22:03super postdoc positions. So they
  • 22:05bring you in. They call
  • 22:05you super postdoc, but they
  • 22:06expect you from the get
  • 22:08go to get all your
  • 22:09IRB stuff approved, to get
  • 22:10your own mouse protocol approved,
  • 22:12to get your own funding.
  • 22:13And so you're spending half
  • 22:15your time on lab management
  • 22:16and and half your time
  • 22:17on research, and at the
  • 22:18end, competing with postdocs who
  • 22:19spend all their time on
  • 22:20research. We want you protected
  • 22:23from years one and two.
  • 22:24We don't want you feeling
  • 22:25like you have to spend
  • 22:26all your time running for
  • 22:27money. We want you to
  • 22:28know you have a mentor
  • 22:29whose money you are freely
  • 22:30available to spend and that
  • 22:32you have extra money from
  • 22:33the department to spend whenever
  • 22:35your mentor says no. Right?
  • 22:36Like, we don't want you
  • 22:37having to fundraise and do
  • 22:39lab management. We want you
  • 22:40protected.
  • 22:41And then over years three
  • 22:42and four and five, we
  • 22:43want you able
  • 22:45to expand as your own
  • 22:47bandwidth expands. And some of
  • 22:49you are already Yale postdocs,
  • 22:50and we know that ramps
  • 22:51gonna go faster. Some of
  • 22:52you are changing fields and
  • 22:54not at Yale. We know
  • 22:55that ramps gonna go slower.
  • 22:57That is, like, why it's
  • 22:58not like, oh, you have
  • 22:59to go up in year
  • 23:00five. It's some of you
  • 23:01might go up in year
  • 23:02three. Some of you might
  • 23:03go up transition to faculty
  • 23:04in year five. That's really
  • 23:06gonna be about you and
  • 23:07your path.
  • 23:09I'm just checking more of
  • 23:10the written
  • 23:11about applying to k ninety
  • 23:13nine, kinda great, programs like
  • 23:15that. For sure,
  • 23:17you can definitely apply. You
  • 23:19start as a post doc.
  • 23:22You are you you should
  • 23:23apply to all of these
  • 23:25post docs,
  • 23:26grants, and fellowships.
  • 23:29Later on, you can also
  • 23:30start applying to,
  • 23:32other brands.
  • 23:40Are any departments full? No.
  • 23:42But there are a few
  • 23:43that have already accepted one
  • 23:44or two students. They're unlikely
  • 23:46to accept more, but I
  • 23:48think everybody's open to it.
  • 23:50But those that have already
  • 23:51accepted two,
  • 23:55I would say, are are
  • 23:56less likely.
  • 23:58As we get departments signing
  • 24:00on that are explicitly looking
  • 24:02this year, we will add
  • 24:03that.
  • 24:06But I I don't think
  • 24:07that there's anybody who's told
  • 24:08us explicitly there's not a
  • 24:10chance they would take somebody.
  • 24:12If you let go of
  • 24:13NIH funding, it will count
  • 24:14against you. Not exactly sure
  • 24:16what you mean by this,
  • 24:17but, if you are accepted
  • 24:19as a fellow, we would
  • 24:20like to have discussions with
  • 24:22a separate fellow before they
  • 24:23turn down money. Because a
  • 24:24lot of the time, you
  • 24:25could stop working. Like, I
  • 24:26wanna, like, I wanna interrupt
  • 24:27you and, like, I'm like,
  • 24:29I know that I'm gonna
  • 24:29have, like I mean, with
  • 24:31you. Hi, for instance. This
  • 24:32is to you.
  • 24:33It's hard to really write
  • 24:34to you.
  • 24:35But, I had a k
  • 24:37nine nine zero zero.
  • 24:38I helped another fellow get
  • 24:40his funding.
  • 24:42The problem is he actually
  • 24:44joined one of the labs
  • 24:45I got set up first.
  • 24:47It's a long story, but,
  • 24:49I moved back to Ohio
  • 24:50to help my mom when
  • 24:51she got cancer. And,
  • 24:53he actually joined one of
  • 24:55the labs at Stanford that
  • 24:56I got accepted in first.
  • 24:58And I chose not to
  • 24:59go to the lab because,
  • 25:00based on how he was
  • 25:01treating me and how he
  • 25:02was, like, kind of stalking
  • 25:03me. And then the fact
  • 25:04that he's actually called me
  • 25:05and I brought up to
  • 25:07NIH,
  • 25:07and they defaulted to school.
  • 25:10And so I pretty much
  • 25:12gave him my funding because
  • 25:12I was just like, I
  • 25:13don't wanna be in this
  • 25:14program if I'm not gonna
  • 25:15be protected.
  • 25:17I know that's a lot.
  • 25:19I know that's, like, a
  • 25:20lot, but I first gave
  • 25:21up my k zero zero,
  • 25:22and I'm kinda, like, regretting
  • 25:24it because, like,
  • 25:25a lot of
  • 25:27labs are not seeing me
  • 25:28as, like,
  • 25:30as valuable as they should
  • 25:32be because I had f
  • 25:32nine nine k zero zero.
  • 25:34They helped, like, other three
  • 25:36people get that, but
  • 25:38that's just something I've been
  • 25:39balancing and trying to, like,
  • 25:41move around,
  • 25:42just because the NIH kinda
  • 25:44values
  • 25:45or the false back to
  • 25:47the institution and what they
  • 25:48do with, like, assault nonsense.
  • 25:50So, like
  • 25:52like, I see the I
  • 25:53see the name of your
  • 25:54I guess, see your face,
  • 25:55but, like,
  • 25:56I gave up my k
  • 25:57zero zero funds right before
  • 25:58I came to Yale. But
  • 26:00Well I want
  • 26:02My I can't understand that
  • 26:04I can get, like, a
  • 26:06fellowship, but then also it
  • 26:07doesn't, like, count and get
  • 26:09to me. But also to
  • 26:10I don't want to, like,
  • 26:11let them know that, like,
  • 26:12I can't do this or,
  • 26:13like, I'm not, like, a
  • 26:14viable postdoc.
  • 26:16I was just asking because,
  • 26:18like,
  • 26:19I like, my dream is
  • 26:21still to, like, run a
  • 26:22lab. So
  • 26:23I don't want that account
  • 26:24against me because, like, I
  • 26:25gave up my funds because
  • 26:27someone was in that program
  • 26:28and do anything against it
  • 26:30and all those kind of
  • 26:31things. So maybe this is
  • 26:32something I can talk to
  • 26:33you offline,
  • 26:34but,
  • 26:35I did have f nine
  • 26:36nine k zero zero. I'm
  • 26:37just wondering, like,
  • 26:38does it look bad if
  • 26:40someone gave up their funds?
  • 26:41It's just because they feel
  • 26:42uncomfortable.
  • 26:44No. There is no general
  • 26:47rule
  • 26:48like that. Oh, they gave
  • 26:50up their funds, then something
  • 26:51is bad. Definitely not. I
  • 26:53think we are happy to
  • 26:55talk more
  • 26:56in private,
  • 26:57about your special circumstances, but
  • 27:00definitely don't withhold from applying
  • 27:03because of that. I mean,
  • 27:04we take into account
  • 27:06the particular circumstances of different
  • 27:09individuals. So it's not
  • 27:12a hard rule that works
  • 27:13that way or this way.
  • 27:16Okay. Yeah. I would go
  • 27:17one step further. The face
  • 27:18that you saw was my
  • 27:19sorryness
  • 27:20that you
  • 27:22have this in your path,
  • 27:23that this shouldn't be in
  • 27:25anyone's path.
  • 27:27I think
  • 27:28it's
  • 27:30and if this is part
  • 27:31of your journey and you
  • 27:32want to put it in
  • 27:32your personal statement, of course,
  • 27:34you can. If you want
  • 27:35your letters to address it,
  • 27:36of course, they can.
  • 27:40It shows something that you
  • 27:42got the funding in the
  • 27:43first place. In my mind,
  • 27:44much more than that, you
  • 27:45had to give it up.
  • 27:46And so
  • 27:48I think
  • 27:49I I would say it
  • 27:50would only be useful and
  • 27:52competitive to note that you
  • 27:54were awarded it.
  • 27:56Yeah.
  • 27:58Yeah. Absolutely.
  • 28:01About metrics,
  • 28:02the metrics are decided
  • 28:05in discussion between the fellow
  • 28:07and the mentoring committee. So
  • 28:09everything should be decided
  • 28:11when you first start.
  • 28:13There are usually long discussions
  • 28:15on what exactly should be
  • 28:16put in the letter and
  • 28:17the agreement.
  • 28:19And then
  • 28:20only something that makes you
  • 28:22happy and makes the department
  • 28:24happy,
  • 28:25is agreed upon.
  • 28:31Yes? Gizam, I'm probably mispronouncing.
  • 28:33I'm sorry.
  • 28:35Hi. I'm Gizam Efe.
  • 28:39So once we become a
  • 28:40fellow and eventually,
  • 28:42a tenure track faculty,
  • 28:44do we keep our early
  • 28:46stage investigator status
  • 28:48as defined by NIH?
  • 28:51We are trying to make
  • 28:52you eligible for as much
  • 28:53funding as possible. So we
  • 28:55are trying to be able
  • 28:56to accommodate everything from f
  • 28:57thirty two applications from the
  • 28:59fellows all the way to
  • 29:00k ninety nine,
  • 29:02to
  • 29:04and every like, our goal
  • 29:06is to really ensure that
  • 29:07you are
  • 29:09oh, funding is open to
  • 29:10you. We are trying very
  • 29:12hard to to
  • 29:14maximize your eligibility, not put
  • 29:16constraints on it. That's why
  • 29:17you're not being hired as
  • 29:18as
  • 29:20faculty,
  • 29:21and that officially your titles
  • 29:22are actually postdoc.
  • 29:23Mhmm.
  • 29:25So, other k grants, absolutely.
  • 29:27I mentioned k ninety nine
  • 29:28because someone asked about it,
  • 29:30but definitely
  • 29:31any k award, any award
  • 29:33that a postdoc can apply
  • 29:34to, you can and are
  • 29:36encouraged to apply to.
  • 29:38And the departments,
  • 29:40I can
  • 29:41we can definitely first of
  • 29:42all, the departments that accepted
  • 29:44fellows already. This is not
  • 29:45a secret. It's on our
  • 29:47website.
  • 29:48We celebrate these fellows.
  • 29:51Immunobiology
  • 29:52is the department that has
  • 29:53two fellows.
  • 29:54And then,
  • 29:57genetics,
  • 29:59cell biology,
  • 30:00psychiatry,
  • 30:01pathology
  • 30:03are departments that have one
  • 30:04fellow.
  • 30:05Did I miss one department?
  • 30:08But, really, other than immuno
  • 30:09biology that probably will have
  • 30:11a hard time taking another
  • 30:13one, although I'm not sure
  • 30:14that it's,
  • 30:15you know, a definite no,
  • 30:17but it's less likely than
  • 30:18other departments.
  • 30:19Other departments are very, very
  • 30:21interested. And especially after the
  • 30:23first two years that were
  • 30:25so
  • 30:25successful, it made other departments
  • 30:28understand,
  • 30:29the level of of the
  • 30:31the quality of of candidates
  • 30:33that they can get if
  • 30:34they participate in this.
  • 30:43Hi. Yes.
  • 30:45I had another question about,
  • 30:47areas
  • 30:48of research.
  • 30:50I took a brief look
  • 30:52at the departments that are
  • 30:53listed currently, and
  • 30:55it seems to be more
  • 30:57basic research, whereas my,
  • 31:00research is more, like, human
  • 31:01and translational
  • 31:03research. Is that,
  • 31:05less wanted?
  • 31:07Translational
  • 31:08research is absolutely wanted.
  • 31:12The only thing that is
  • 31:13not included is if it's
  • 31:15just clinical, if it's completely,
  • 31:18clinical. For example, research on
  • 31:20clinical services,
  • 31:23something that,
  • 31:25is purely clinical. Any translational,
  • 31:27including human research, we have
  • 31:29a Mhmm. Coming in and
  • 31:30fellow coming in, Cleona Kelly,
  • 31:33who does human research with
  • 31:35virtual reality,
  • 31:36things like that. So it's
  • 31:37definitely not just basic science
  • 31:40at the
  • 31:41Mhmm.
  • 31:42In the sense of, like,
  • 31:43the bench science.
  • 31:44Yeah. Thank you.
  • 31:49Yes. Sabona?
  • 31:57I I I I was
  • 31:58trying to get an idea
  • 31:59of the,
  • 32:00timeline. My apologies. My camera
  • 32:02just doesn't wanna cooperate right
  • 32:04now.
  • 32:05So
  • 32:06do you need to apply
  • 32:07to this,
  • 32:09program after you defend or,
  • 32:11you know, how long does
  • 32:12the application process takes? Or
  • 32:14It could be before. If
  • 32:15you so the position
  • 32:19starts sometime in the summer
  • 32:21or fall of twenty twenty
  • 32:22five. So if you expect
  • 32:24to graduate by then, you
  • 32:26can apply.
  • 32:28Okay. Thank you.
  • 32:39Yeah. It's totally fine to
  • 32:41apply to faculty positions while
  • 32:43you're also applying for this.
  • 32:44We actually had sometimes it
  • 32:46happens that we get candidates
  • 32:48that apply to faculty positions
  • 32:50and departments thought, you know,
  • 32:52maybe they would be better
  • 32:53off starting as, science fellows.
  • 32:56You can definitely apply to
  • 32:57both.
  • 33:04Yeah. I'm I've been adding
  • 33:07comments
  • 33:10to the chat.
  • 33:13Yeah. Kristen first visit included
  • 33:15scientific talk or a chalk
  • 33:16talk, just a scientific talk.
  • 33:18We recognize that recent PhDs,
  • 33:22won't have a lot of
  • 33:23practice with that.
  • 33:25I think don't worry about
  • 33:27applying simultaneously to faculty searches.
  • 33:28We won't know. It's fine.
  • 33:30It's probably to your advantage
  • 33:31because you'll have had more
  • 33:32practice,
  • 33:33in all honesty.
  • 33:34I would like to know
  • 33:35which departments have already accepted.
  • 33:37I think we already told
  • 33:38you. Ideally, we should get
  • 33:39it posted on the website
  • 33:40if we haven't yet.
  • 33:42I think
  • 33:43I have answered all the
  • 33:44questions in the chat. If
  • 33:46I missed one, just retype
  • 33:47it. Mhmm. That's good. And
  • 33:50I apologize. For some reason,
  • 33:51my keyboard stopped working, so
  • 33:53I can't
  • 33:54reply in writing.
  • 33:57What is the ratio of
  • 33:58recent PhD grads versus later
  • 34:00career? I mean,
  • 34:02we are trying to keep
  • 34:03it under two years of
  • 34:04postdoc. Like, ultimately, we probably
  • 34:07wouldn't mind if the program
  • 34:08was all recent PhDs, but
  • 34:10it's only two years old.
  • 34:11And so we've been open
  • 34:12to one to two year
  • 34:13postdocs and considering them on
  • 34:15a case by case
  • 34:16basis.
  • 34:19But please don't hold back
  • 34:20if you're still in your
  • 34:21PhD. Like,
  • 34:23we're kinda more model after
  • 34:25that f ninety nine. We
  • 34:26don't want you applying two
  • 34:27years early, like the f
  • 34:28ninety nine or something. But,
  • 34:31I would say ideally would
  • 34:32be you are defending in
  • 34:34twenty twenty four, twenty twenty
  • 34:35five.
  • 34:36Mhmm.
  • 34:37Oh, another one. K. I
  • 34:39just wanna say, like, I
  • 34:40the new system's f nine
  • 34:41nine, but I had f
  • 34:42nine nine k c zero.
  • 34:43And if anyone is interested
  • 34:45in applying for that,
  • 34:46doctor Michelle
  • 34:48Jones London is amazing and
  • 34:49and Lauren,
  • 34:51Euric.
  • 34:52They're amazing. The program is
  • 34:53amazing.
  • 34:54I left because of personal
  • 34:56reasons, and this won't happen
  • 34:58to everybody. But,
  • 34:59if you are planning to
  • 35:00apply, please let me know
  • 35:01because I was awarded,
  • 35:03back in
  • 35:05twenty nineteen, twenty twenty, and
  • 35:07one of my mentors, Marguerite.
  • 35:10I know some amazing people
  • 35:11there. But if you wanna
  • 35:12apply, please let me know.
  • 35:14Thank you so much for
  • 35:16saying this.
  • 35:17And I will send you
  • 35:18my application materials
  • 35:20for sure for sure.
  • 35:22No need to get confirmation
  • 35:23from a lab. You don't
  • 35:24even need to talk to
  • 35:25a lab. You can if
  • 35:26you want to, but there
  • 35:27is no need for this
  • 35:28at
  • 35:29all.
  • 35:30We, you have an option
  • 35:32to put names of up
  • 35:33to six potential PIs just
  • 35:35because it will help us
  • 35:36in the review process to
  • 35:37know what your research is
  • 35:39like, who is, suitable to
  • 35:41review your your application.
  • 35:43No need to get confirmation.
  • 35:48Graduates spend time in industry.
  • 35:50That's totally fine.
  • 35:53But, again, not more than
  • 35:55one or two years. We
  • 35:56want people to have to
  • 35:57be to come to us
  • 35:58soon after they graduate.
  • 36:03Yeah. No hard start date.
  • 36:15Yes.
  • 36:16Elise?
  • 36:18Yeah. Can you speak to
  • 36:20how things have been going
  • 36:21for the folks in the
  • 36:22first two cohorts?
  • 36:24How has the mentorship been
  • 36:26experience been for them? How
  • 36:27are they train how are
  • 36:28they enjoying
  • 36:30transitioning to independence?
  • 36:31Has it been
  • 36:33challenging? Anything about that? I
  • 36:34mean, this
  • 36:35obviously sounds very good, but
  • 36:37there
  • 36:38are realistic
  • 36:39things that happen in these
  • 36:41programs.
  • 36:42Yeah. My recommendation
  • 36:44is,
  • 36:45to talk to them directly,
  • 36:47and they are very happy
  • 36:48to talk to people. The
  • 36:49first cohort. The second cohort
  • 36:51is just starting right now.
  • 36:52The first cohort, I think,
  • 36:54overall had a very good
  • 36:55experience. Of course, there are
  • 36:56challenges, and so they have
  • 36:59actually been talking to the
  • 37:00second cohort,
  • 37:02to give advice. We have
  • 37:03learned a lot with them.
  • 37:06As I see it, overall,
  • 37:08it's very successful,
  • 37:09but it has challenges that
  • 37:11we are learning from. And,
  • 37:12for example, the application process
  • 37:14that Kristen
  • 37:15described, we have improved based
  • 37:17on,
  • 37:20what we learned from the
  • 37:21previous cohorts.
  • 37:22Same goes to how the,
  • 37:26process itself goes during the
  • 37:27year.
  • 37:29I I wanna add, actually,
  • 37:32in the interest of protecting
  • 37:33the time of the current
  • 37:35Yale fellows, I don't wanna
  • 37:36encourage a hundred people emailing
  • 37:37them now. We absolutely had
  • 37:40them meet with those who
  • 37:41came in person as finalists,
  • 37:43But please don't have all
  • 37:45of you very enthusiastically
  • 37:47email them in much the
  • 37:48same way that, like, having
  • 37:50college students email every faculty
  • 37:51member that they could possibly
  • 37:53be interested in every school
  • 37:54they're applying to as to
  • 37:55everybody's workload.
  • 37:57We will have in person
  • 37:58finalists meet with all in
  • 38:00person Yale fellows,
  • 38:03but maybe just apply without
  • 38:06all of you collectively emailing
  • 38:07them. That would be a
  • 38:08really heavy burden.
  • 38:12Ruby?
  • 38:14Yeah. I was
  • 38:16wondering right. So, obviously, it's
  • 38:18a huge advantage
  • 38:19to not have to go
  • 38:20on the open search as
  • 38:21you're transitioning into faculty,
  • 38:24but that could raise questions
  • 38:26about,
  • 38:28you know, whether
  • 38:30the
  • 38:31how to sort of negotiate
  • 38:32those terms, right, in terms
  • 38:33of your start up package.
  • 38:35So I was wondering if
  • 38:36if there's any
  • 38:37resources out there in terms
  • 38:38of understanding
  • 38:39what to expect.
  • 38:41Again, this is, like, sort
  • 38:42of two steps ahead maybe.
  • 38:44Right? But,
  • 38:45I guess understanding what to
  • 38:47expect from a start up
  • 38:48package
  • 38:49at Yale if you're going
  • 38:50through this program, and
  • 38:52you may be sort of
  • 38:53less incentivized
  • 38:54to,
  • 38:55to go on the open
  • 38:56search.
  • 38:57So a couple of points.
  • 38:58One, they've worked really hard
  • 39:00to standardize incoming packages at
  • 39:02Yale in matters of equity
  • 39:03because it's known
  • 39:05that some genders and and
  • 39:07backgrounds don't negotiate as well.
  • 39:09Two, the chairs have committed
  • 39:10to giving,
  • 39:12standard packages.
  • 39:14Three, as much as I
  • 39:15would love to say you'll
  • 39:16all be so happy you
  • 39:17won't even apply outside, I
  • 39:19suspect some or many of
  • 39:20you will. We're hoping that
  • 39:22our offer and our environment
  • 39:23and our package will be
  • 39:24competitive to any other outside
  • 39:25ones you happen to get.
  • 39:26We're not telling you you're
  • 39:27not allowed to. Right? Like,
  • 39:28I don't wanna hold you
  • 39:29back from other possibilities.
  • 39:34But I will say a
  • 39:35lot of our current fellows
  • 39:36are thinking about things like,
  • 39:38you know, putting down roots
  • 39:40in New Haven,
  • 39:41having families,
  • 39:42buying houses, and the kind
  • 39:43of things that you get
  • 39:44to do when you don't
  • 39:45have to think about your
  • 39:46life as a three year
  • 39:46phase.
  • 39:49There's a question about departments
  • 39:51that are certainly looking. We
  • 39:52have many departments that are
  • 39:53interested. I don't think we
  • 39:55have you know, no department
  • 39:57can commit
  • 39:58to certainly,
  • 39:59hiring someone.
  • 40:01So, you know, if you
  • 40:03if your interests are compatible
  • 40:05with any department at the
  • 40:06school of medicine, do apply.
  • 40:20We have more time.
  • 40:22Like I said, it's sometimes
  • 40:24a lot easier to relay
  • 40:25stuff out loud than by
  • 40:27email. So
  • 40:29please feel free to type
  • 40:30in the chat or ask
  • 40:31these questions now where we
  • 40:32can give the answer to
  • 40:32everybody.
  • 40:37But if questions come up
  • 40:39later on, also feel free
  • 40:41to email Kristen or me.
  • 40:42We're always happy to answer
  • 40:43questions.
  • 40:47Would a third year postdoc
  • 40:48fellow be ineligible? I would
  • 40:50say
  • 40:53we don't wanna say anybody's
  • 40:55ineligible, but I would say
  • 40:58we're
  • 41:00going to be more
  • 41:02like, we we really are
  • 41:04looking for
  • 41:05recent. This program becomes very
  • 41:06long.
  • 41:08Are there spots reserved for
  • 41:10ISM fellows?
  • 41:11Okay. So we are trying
  • 41:13to get more like, you
  • 41:15would be doing a very
  • 41:16long post op to have
  • 41:17done three years, three and
  • 41:18a half years, then come
  • 41:19start again here.
  • 41:20I'm not saying we would
  • 41:21rule it out if you
  • 41:22had a really good plan,
  • 41:23but be mindful that
  • 41:26we would be like, why
  • 41:27why would you be starting
  • 41:27your postdoc again? What's the
  • 41:29gain?
  • 41:30Are there faculty spots reserved
  • 41:32for YSM fellows? Yes. That
  • 41:33specific department has to hold
  • 41:35a spot, funding, and physical
  • 41:37space for the fellows and
  • 41:39answers that are like and
  • 41:40and in fact, after the
  • 41:42in person interviews,
  • 41:43when we had eight get
  • 41:44down to four, again, it
  • 41:45wasn't about the science
  • 41:47of the four who got
  • 41:48it versus the four who
  • 41:49didn't. It's actually about the
  • 41:50departmental commitment. Those departments that
  • 41:52said I'm holding room x
  • 41:54and funding y
  • 41:55were actually deemed more competitive
  • 41:57than those that said, oh,
  • 41:58we'll borrow space into the
  • 41:59deed in the future somehow.
  • 42:01A gap in training. Again,
  • 42:03that's there is no hard
  • 42:04rule. So that could be
  • 42:05totally fine.
  • 42:07If you have a good
  • 42:08reason, you know, childcare,
  • 42:10whatever, just explain it in
  • 42:12your in your letter.
  • 42:14The length of time,
  • 42:16from your graduation is just
  • 42:18a factor that is taken
  • 42:19into account. It's not
  • 42:21yes or no. So, absolutely,
  • 42:23there could be gaps, and
  • 42:24that would be fine.
  • 42:27Yeah.
  • 42:28Taking care of a parent,
  • 42:29of course, then, you know,
  • 42:31that would not be considered.
  • 42:33That would not not be
  • 42:34counted.
  • 42:42Your top suggestion is for
  • 42:44crafting a competitive application. Now
  • 42:46I guess my first thing
  • 42:47to keep in mind is
  • 42:48that this committee is gonna
  • 42:49be full of diverse scientists
  • 42:50representing diverse departments in the
  • 42:52sense that don't assume we're
  • 42:54all experts in what you're
  • 42:55doing and why your problem
  • 42:56is important. Right? Assume somebody
  • 42:57with a PhD
  • 42:59or an MD is reading
  • 43:00your application, but do not
  • 43:01assume that they are already
  • 43:03convinced and aware of your
  • 43:05problem and why it's important.
  • 43:06So frame
  • 43:08the premise
  • 43:09very carefully
  • 43:11for
  • 43:12scientists outside your field.
  • 43:15Explain how your training,
  • 43:16both PhD and future postdoc,
  • 43:19will make you the only
  • 43:20person and best person on
  • 43:21the planet to conduct this
  • 43:23very important research. Research. Right?
  • 43:25Like, don't just tell us
  • 43:26what you're going to do.
  • 43:26Tell us why you're going
  • 43:27to do it.
  • 43:29And then second of all,
  • 43:31tell us
  • 43:33why you're the kind of
  • 43:34person we wanna have at
  • 43:36Yale. Right? Like, there are
  • 43:38plenty of searches
  • 43:39that filter on journal impact
  • 43:41factor and funding coming in.
  • 43:43We are trying to filter
  • 43:44on faculty members who will
  • 43:46make the Yale environment better.
  • 43:48So why will our students
  • 43:50or our postdocs
  • 43:52be better off
  • 43:53for you as a faculty
  • 43:55member?
  • 44:10Any other questions?
  • 44:23And do feel free to
  • 44:24take a look at the
  • 44:25recording later and the back
  • 44:28and shoot us emails.
  • 44:30We're really happy to help.
  • 44:32Oh, there's a lot more
  • 44:33coming in here.
  • 44:37We can't show you other
  • 44:39people's
  • 44:40research statements and personal statements.
  • 44:42With so few accepted students,
  • 44:44there's no way we can
  • 44:44anonymize this yet. Maybe in
  • 44:46five years, we would be
  • 44:47able to.
  • 44:50But right now, I think
  • 44:51out of fairness to the
  • 44:53current students, I think if
  • 44:54you had only just started,
  • 44:55you would probably be reluctant
  • 44:56to openly publish it.
  • 44:58Formatting templates and requirements,
  • 45:01I think it says right
  • 45:02in the application, one page,
  • 45:03single spaced,
  • 45:05half inch margins or something.
  • 45:08Standard NIH format.
  • 45:11You receive an offer before
  • 45:13the five years are offer.
  • 45:15Yes. That's that's fine. Five
  • 45:17years are the maximum.
  • 45:19If you're ready to transition
  • 45:20to a faculty position before
  • 45:21that, that's totally fine.
  • 45:24Actually, it's good.
  • 45:40Extra support. So,
  • 45:42we have some resources at
  • 45:44Yale,
  • 45:45for grant writing
  • 45:47and leadership
  • 45:49and mentorship
  • 45:51that our current fellows are
  • 45:53joining
  • 45:54ongoing
  • 45:54things at Yale with other
  • 45:56postdocs
  • 45:57and fellows.
  • 45:58But we're now in the
  • 45:59process of designing things that
  • 46:01will be more
  • 46:02specific for our fellows. So
  • 46:03far, we had three fellows,
  • 46:06working last year. Now where
  • 46:08the numbers are
  • 46:09beginning to increase,
  • 46:11we'll have more pro
  • 46:13program specific for for fellows.
  • 46:16We're trying to take advantage,
  • 46:18the collective resources available at
  • 46:20Yale. So some departments already
  • 46:22have mentoring programs, like, I
  • 46:23know genetics does.
  • 46:25The school of medicine already
  • 46:26has one for medical,
  • 46:29faculty who have k
  • 46:31what did they get? K
  • 46:32zero ones,
  • 46:34I think, and, our fellows
  • 46:35have been joining that. We
  • 46:37are you know, the first
  • 46:39year, we we knew that
  • 46:40there's a lot of transition
  • 46:41just to come into Yale,
  • 46:42and they were supposed to
  • 46:43be working on their science
  • 46:44for a year or two.
  • 46:45And so we are going
  • 46:46to be adding a career
  • 46:48training
  • 46:49as our as our fellows
  • 46:50mature, basically.
  • 47:06Okay. It looks like we
  • 47:07are every time I say
  • 47:08we're all out, people start
  • 47:09typing again.
  • 47:11So I'll I'll say it
  • 47:12really slowly.
  • 47:13It looks like we are
  • 47:14out of questions.
  • 47:16I'll give you all another
  • 47:17minute or two to type
  • 47:19them,
  • 47:20but I I think I
  • 47:21think we've answered all of
  • 47:22them for now, and we'll
  • 47:23answer more by email.
  • 47:26Mhmm.
  • 47:27Thank you so much for
  • 47:28joining.
  • 47:29Thanks everyone for your interest.
  • 47:33Thank you for all the