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9-6-24 YES!: Reversing the Tyranny of PowerPoint with Andrés

September 06, 2024
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  • 00:00Medical educator series.
  • 00:03You know, we're recording the
  • 00:04sessions so that we can
  • 00:05have them on the center
  • 00:06website,
  • 00:07for any of these sessions
  • 00:08that you can't,
  • 00:10come to. I'm Dana Dunn.
  • 00:11I co direct the course,
  • 00:14the annual course with Andreas
  • 00:15Martin, who is with
  • 00:16data at the top. Our
  • 00:17session leader today. So
  • 00:19And, thank you very much
  • 00:21for for muting.
  • 00:23I wanted just to give
  • 00:24a couple of introductory comments
  • 00:25about the course
  • 00:27or series this year
  • 00:29before I introduce our speaker.
  • 00:32A lot of you are
  • 00:33here because you wanna be
  • 00:34better educators in the clinical
  • 00:36setting. Some of you are
  • 00:37here because you have major
  • 00:38educational roles for
  • 00:40courses or clerkships or residency
  • 00:42programs. Some of you are
  • 00:43here because you wanna teach
  • 00:44your postdocs in the lab.
  • 00:46There's a lot of places
  • 00:47where teaching comes in handy.
  • 00:50For those of you who
  • 00:51are really wanna work
  • 00:53deliberately on your educator skills,
  • 00:56you may have noticed that
  • 00:58we have these
  • 01:01somewhat cryptic,
  • 01:03letters that we have added
  • 01:05to each of our sessions.
  • 01:07And so I'm putting in
  • 01:08the chat,
  • 01:09a one pager on the
  • 01:11ACGME
  • 01:12clinician educator milestones, which got
  • 01:15published
  • 01:15a year or two ago.
  • 01:17Voice And what we've done
  • 01:19is that we've mapped all
  • 01:20of the sessions
  • 01:21to these clinician educator milestones
  • 01:23so that you can be
  • 01:24really deliberate about,
  • 01:28finding what you feel like
  • 01:29your gaps are when you're
  • 01:30looking at the all the
  • 01:31competencies of somebody who's gonna
  • 01:33be an effective educator.
  • 01:35And then we've been able
  • 01:36to kind of then name
  • 01:37each of the sessions,
  • 01:39both in this yes series
  • 01:40as well as in the
  • 01:41monthly med ed discussion group
  • 01:42series that are offered through
  • 01:43the center for you to
  • 01:45be able to kind of
  • 01:45self assess and recognize where
  • 01:47you really feel like you
  • 01:48need to concentrate some of
  • 01:49your efforts.
  • 01:50So
  • 01:51those, the one pager I
  • 01:53just sent you just gives
  • 01:54you the, the name of
  • 01:55that competency.
  • 01:57But for those of you
  • 01:58who really wanna delve deep
  • 01:59and find out more information
  • 02:00about,
  • 02:03about the milestones,
  • 02:04descriptively,
  • 02:06I've also just sent through
  • 02:07the chat the full PDF
  • 02:10of all of the milestones,
  • 02:12that blow out a little
  • 02:13bit more kind of the
  • 02:14behaviors from early educator
  • 02:17on up through more experienced
  • 02:19educators so that you can
  • 02:20self assess at some point
  • 02:21and come up with your
  • 02:22own learning plan that would
  • 02:24involve,
  • 02:25which of these sessions, hopefully,
  • 02:26all you would wanna come
  • 02:27to. So let us know
  • 02:28if you have any questions
  • 02:29about that, but we wanted
  • 02:30to let you start to
  • 02:31be more deliberately in control
  • 02:34of
  • 02:35recognizing where these sessions fit
  • 02:36in
  • 02:37to being a complete educator.
  • 02:40And we have a little
  • 02:41bit more information at the
  • 02:42end of the session where
  • 02:43you may you may be
  • 02:43able to get some more
  • 02:44feedback and practice for some
  • 02:46of these things that we're
  • 02:47gonna talk about today.
  • 02:49So without further ado, I
  • 02:51wanna introduce our inaugural
  • 02:53speaker, Andreas Martin, who's a
  • 02:55professor in the department of
  • 02:57child psychiatry.
  • 02:58He has many hats.
  • 03:00I'm gonna point out a
  • 03:01few of the hats that
  • 03:02I think are meaningful for
  • 03:04today.
  • 03:05Very meaningful to me is
  • 03:06one of our longitudinal coaches,
  • 03:09in, in our inaugural year
  • 03:10of that last year.
  • 03:12He's an associate in the
  • 03:13center for medical education and
  • 03:15recently became the director of
  • 03:17the new med student med
  • 03:19school,
  • 03:20med ed concentration for the
  • 03:21students, which is very popular.
  • 03:23Fifty students signed up for
  • 03:24that at least, so he's
  • 03:25gonna be directing that. So
  • 03:27I'm gonna turn it over
  • 03:28to him for some people
  • 03:30who are whether you're teaching
  • 03:31in the classroom
  • 03:32primarily or you might be
  • 03:34using PowerPoint in other
  • 03:36places like, presenting at a
  • 03:37national conference or something locally,
  • 03:40you're gonna, wanna pay attention
  • 03:41to this. So, Andreas,
  • 03:43off to you.
  • 03:45Thank you,
  • 03:46Dana. Let me share my
  • 03:48screen.
  • 03:56Okeydoke.
  • 03:58So thank you. Thank you
  • 03:59all for for coming on
  • 04:00this Friday afternoon.
  • 04:02It's, such a joy to
  • 04:03be doing this
  • 04:04series together with Dana and,
  • 04:07in the Center for Medical
  • 04:08Education.
  • 04:09And really good to see
  • 04:10all of you.
  • 04:12So today,
  • 04:15I titled my my talk
  • 04:16Reversing the Tyranny of PowerPoint
  • 04:18because I'm sure
  • 04:19that you have all had
  • 04:21experiences
  • 04:21where the PowerPoint,
  • 04:23takes over and not necessarily
  • 04:25in a good way.
  • 04:26So let me tell you
  • 04:27what I'm what I will
  • 04:29do and what I will
  • 04:30not do. What what I
  • 04:31will not particularly do today
  • 04:33is tell you which button
  • 04:35to press
  • 04:36in PowerPoint.
  • 04:39You know, that's
  • 04:41findable, easily findable.
  • 04:43You can talk to people,
  • 04:44and that that usually is
  • 04:45not the issue.
  • 04:47I'm gonna talk more
  • 04:50at a conceptual level
  • 04:52about
  • 04:58the things that can go
  • 04:59wrong
  • 05:00and can easily be made
  • 05:01right in PowerPoint so that
  • 05:03PowerPoint really serves you rather
  • 05:06than you running around trying
  • 05:07to serve PowerPoint.
  • 05:10Okay. But at the same
  • 05:12time, I wanna assure you
  • 05:13it's gonna be a very
  • 05:13practical session. I'm not gonna
  • 05:15be talking about the philosophy
  • 05:16of learning or the philosophy
  • 05:17of PowerPoint.
  • 05:19This information about CME is
  • 05:21also in the chat, so
  • 05:23please log on so that
  • 05:24you can claim your credits.
  • 05:27And this is a different
  • 05:29view of the same one
  • 05:30pager
  • 05:31that you had from Dana.
  • 05:33So these are the
  • 05:36learning objectives,
  • 05:37the milestones
  • 05:38for clinician educators.
  • 05:41And what I have done
  • 05:42here is grayed out the
  • 05:44stuff that is not hugely
  • 05:45relevant today
  • 05:47and highlighted in yellow what
  • 05:48we're gonna be focusing on
  • 05:50today.
  • 05:52This is to tell you
  • 05:53that as we go in
  • 05:54this yes series,
  • 05:56I think we're going to
  • 05:57cover pretty much everything or
  • 05:59the vast majority of these
  • 06:00goals.
  • 06:02So we're going to be
  • 06:03talking about teaching and,
  • 06:06establishing a,
  • 06:08a a good learning environment.
  • 06:12Okay. So let's get started.
  • 06:13How how can we get
  • 06:14to a better slideshow?
  • 06:17Just thinking in your mind,
  • 06:19what's the worst
  • 06:21PowerPoint you've ever experienced.
  • 06:24And probably there's going to
  • 06:25be competition
  • 06:26because there's probably many such
  • 06:28PowerPoints
  • 06:29that just to think about
  • 06:31them hurts your retina or
  • 06:32your brain or something.
  • 06:34So that's not what we
  • 06:35want. We want one of
  • 06:36those PowerPoints that really
  • 06:39flow and help to teach.
  • 06:41So today, I'm gonna divide
  • 06:43this talk into three parts.
  • 06:44One is,
  • 06:46engaging.
  • 06:47How do we engage with
  • 06:48our audience?
  • 06:50And this is really psychology,
  • 06:51if you will. It's just
  • 06:52thinking about other people's minds
  • 06:54and how other people think.
  • 06:57The second part is about
  • 06:59preparing, preparing your talk. How
  • 07:00do you design it? Designing
  • 07:02a PowerPoint.
  • 07:04And finally,
  • 07:06delivering it.
  • 07:07How do you share the
  • 07:08content?
  • 07:10And you see that all
  • 07:11of these are a bunch
  • 07:12of gerunds in there, engaging,
  • 07:14preparing, designing, delivering, sharing.
  • 07:17Because to do it right,
  • 07:18it needs to be a
  • 07:19very active
  • 07:20process, and you need to
  • 07:21be very active.
  • 07:25So
  • 07:26let's start with the first
  • 07:27of those three, engaging in
  • 07:29the what I'm calling the
  • 07:30psychology
  • 07:31of PowerPoint. And these are
  • 07:33the four
  • 07:34subsections that we're going to
  • 07:36touch on here.
  • 07:40So what do I mean
  • 07:41by featuring?
  • 07:43Well, if you forget everything
  • 07:44that I've said today and
  • 07:46you're likely to forget everything
  • 07:47that I say,
  • 07:49Please do not forget
  • 07:50this.
  • 07:52PowerPoint
  • 07:53is the tool.
  • 07:55You are the presentation.
  • 07:58PowerPoint is the tool. You
  • 08:00are the presentation.
  • 08:02I think that this is
  • 08:03just routinely taken for granted
  • 08:05or forgotten, and people spend
  • 08:06all this time making these
  • 08:08beautiful slides
  • 08:10that just don't serve the
  • 08:12purpose
  • 08:13because they forget that they
  • 08:15they are the
  • 08:16the tool. They are
  • 08:18they are the presentation. They
  • 08:20are the show. They are
  • 08:21the main event. You are
  • 08:22the main event.
  • 08:26What about pacing?
  • 08:28Oftentimes, you're in a a
  • 08:30PowerPoint presentation.
  • 08:35Linda, could you help me
  • 08:36mute muting?
  • 08:38Oh, yeah.
  • 08:41What what about pacing?
  • 08:43When you
  • 08:46again, in these nightmare scenario
  • 08:47PowerPoints in your mind, I'm
  • 08:49sure that you can recall
  • 08:50PowerPoints that were so dreadfully
  • 08:53slow
  • 08:54or more commonly,
  • 08:56dreadfully fast
  • 08:58that your brain starts spinning.
  • 08:59You can't
  • 09:01you just can't follow as
  • 09:02much.
  • 09:03So the simple way of
  • 09:04thinking about this is that,
  • 09:07you must go at brain
  • 09:08speed.
  • 09:09And this is the learner's
  • 09:11brain, not yours. You know
  • 09:13the material,
  • 09:14not the computers. It has
  • 09:15plenty of, CPUs or whatever,
  • 09:18but your learners.
  • 09:19You you need to,
  • 09:21be thinking of where they
  • 09:23are at and move at
  • 09:24their speed.
  • 09:29One way of thinking about
  • 09:30it very simply is to
  • 09:31move at storytelling speed.
  • 09:34You're telling a story after
  • 09:35all. It may be a
  • 09:36scientific story.
  • 09:38It may have,
  • 09:39you know, complex terms.
  • 09:41But the more that you
  • 09:42tell it as a story
  • 09:43and you embed your passion
  • 09:45and your interest in it,
  • 09:47the better it's gonna go.
  • 09:51And I think that the
  • 09:52compliment of that point is
  • 09:54that sometimes
  • 09:55presenters it it when you're
  • 09:57hearing one of these, difficult
  • 09:58presentations,
  • 09:59it almost feels like a
  • 10:00chore.
  • 10:01Like, these presenters have the
  • 10:03chore of presenting a PowerPoint
  • 10:06because thou shall present PowerPoint
  • 10:08at a talk.
  • 10:10And they're suffering and they're
  • 10:11miserable at it.
  • 10:12If you approach it differently
  • 10:14in this story telling way,
  • 10:17I think that you'll you'll
  • 10:18be surprised how much better
  • 10:20your talks become.
  • 10:23We want PowerPoint to complement,
  • 10:27not to compete with the
  • 10:28content.
  • 10:30And oftentimes, there's this fight
  • 10:32that you see between the
  • 10:33two,
  • 10:34and and people come to
  • 10:36think of PowerPoint
  • 10:37as some kind of a
  • 10:38teleprompter where they need to
  • 10:40read every single word and
  • 10:42go through everything.
  • 10:43It isn't a teleprompter.
  • 10:50Whatever you are saying or
  • 10:52putting on audio or video,
  • 10:54anything that is auditory,
  • 10:55must be synchronized
  • 10:57with what you are seeing.
  • 10:59And auditory information in PowerPoint
  • 11:01is incredibly good and important
  • 11:03if you do it well,
  • 11:05But they need to be
  • 11:05synchronized,
  • 11:07and you need to avoid
  • 11:08sensory overload with which drives
  • 11:10people crazy.
  • 11:11And that's why many of
  • 11:13us have an allergy to
  • 11:14PowerPoint
  • 11:15or or the well known
  • 11:17neuropharmacological
  • 11:19condition called
  • 11:20PowerPoint Algia.
  • 11:21When you see a PowerPoint
  • 11:23and in the back of
  • 11:24your brain just starts hurting
  • 11:25and your head starts spinning
  • 11:26and it's terrible.
  • 11:29Again, avoiding
  • 11:30overload of what you present.
  • 11:35I'm gonna use,
  • 11:36a couple of examples from
  • 11:37my own work
  • 11:39to
  • 11:40show to exemplify, hopefully, in
  • 11:43a useful way
  • 11:45ways of the
  • 11:52overdoing it with slides,
  • 11:54way of making information more
  • 11:56digestible.
  • 11:58So the first example is
  • 11:59gonna be a qualitative example,
  • 12:01and the second example is
  • 12:02gonna be a quantitative example.
  • 12:05So
  • 12:06qualitative, which is what I'm
  • 12:07gonna show you here,
  • 12:09is from a study we
  • 12:10did about physicians
  • 12:12sharing their lived experiences,
  • 12:15specifically with mental illness,
  • 12:17sharing that with medical students,
  • 12:20and seeing how it improved
  • 12:22health attitudes and stigma around
  • 12:25mental illness.
  • 12:26I'm not going to go
  • 12:27into the whole study.
  • 12:28But once again, as a
  • 12:31qualitative study, we have a
  • 12:32lot of quotes, you know,
  • 12:34really yummy quotes. So how
  • 12:36do you present a lot
  • 12:37of text?
  • 12:38In this case, qualitative, but
  • 12:39it may be any number
  • 12:40of things. How do you
  • 12:41present a lot of
  • 12:42densely packed,
  • 12:44information? And I'm gonna give
  • 12:45you three quick examples.
  • 12:48So let's see example one.
  • 12:54It whoops. This is one
  • 12:55of the themes that we
  • 12:57came up with, unexpected vulnerability.
  • 13:00And let me read it.
  • 13:02I was diagnosed with depression,
  • 13:04takes guts to talk about.
  • 13:07It makes you wonder about
  • 13:08what our hang ups still
  • 13:10are about the power dynamics
  • 13:12and stigma
  • 13:13of labeling people with certain
  • 13:15diagnoses,
  • 13:16especially when it comes to
  • 13:18the mental health world.
  • 13:25I'll I'll I'll comment in
  • 13:26on these three in in
  • 13:28in a second.
  • 13:31The next example
  • 13:33is this,
  • 13:35an armored
  • 13:36an armored mutuality.
  • 13:39And what we meant by
  • 13:41this term,
  • 13:43the mutuality, I think, is
  • 13:44easy to understand. We're in
  • 13:46a relationship between we, the
  • 13:48faculty,
  • 13:49and they, the students, for
  • 13:50example, and we're being mutually
  • 13:53mutual in our sharing.
  • 13:55And we're unarmored
  • 13:57because we approach it in
  • 13:58a way that is legitimate.
  • 14:00We're not concerned about how
  • 14:01we or they will be
  • 14:02perceived.
  • 14:03That's a concept of an
  • 14:05armored mutuality.
  • 14:07And we have a quote
  • 14:08here.
  • 14:10Their willingness to share these
  • 14:12intimate details about their lives
  • 14:13with us.
  • 14:15It made me feel like
  • 14:16they were both trusting me
  • 14:17and putting me on the
  • 14:18same level,
  • 14:20And it made me want
  • 14:21to listen to what they
  • 14:22had to say
  • 14:23because they were so willing
  • 14:25to share.
  • 14:27This is the student I
  • 14:28should have mentioned.
  • 14:32Putting me on the same
  • 14:33level.
  • 14:34And the third and final
  • 14:35example is this,
  • 14:40and this is,
  • 14:42physicians talking now, not students.
  • 14:46Healer, reveal thyself.
  • 14:49In being with our patients,
  • 14:50how many of us share
  • 14:52our fallibility,
  • 14:53our vulnerability,
  • 14:56our imperfection?
  • 14:58Went to the point. How
  • 14:59many of us share our
  • 15:01experiences being on their side
  • 15:03of the aisle?
  • 15:04Not nearly enough of us.
  • 15:06We have been too caught
  • 15:07up in a maladapted search
  • 15:09for perfectionism
  • 15:10and infallibility.
  • 15:12The quest that has zapped
  • 15:14zapped the joy out of
  • 15:15the calling for so many,
  • 15:17not to mention snuffed the
  • 15:19life of a disproportionate number
  • 15:20of physicians
  • 15:21who have died by suicide.
  • 15:26Okay.
  • 15:28Pause.
  • 15:29And I don't mean to
  • 15:30share this as a downer.
  • 15:32It's just to give the
  • 15:33examples. If you noticed,
  • 15:36in the first example, I
  • 15:38put the title and the
  • 15:39content all at once.
  • 15:41In the second one, I
  • 15:42separated the title or concept
  • 15:45one from the actual
  • 15:47quote.
  • 15:48And in example three, I
  • 15:50use this completely black
  • 15:52background slide.
  • 15:54Now it's not that one
  • 15:56is better than the other,
  • 15:58but these are options that
  • 15:59usually you don't see
  • 16:01that are very powerful.
  • 16:03Because first of all, when
  • 16:05you are able to read
  • 16:06something
  • 16:07at a normal speed and
  • 16:09show the words,
  • 16:11that is very different from
  • 16:12putting a whole lot of
  • 16:13words that people are trying
  • 16:14to read and then you're
  • 16:15trying to catch up with.
  • 16:17I personally really like the
  • 16:19black screen approach because there's
  • 16:21no competing with anything,
  • 16:23and all the attention is
  • 16:24on you.
  • 16:26And the other thing is,
  • 16:27you know, the speed at
  • 16:28which you you go. So
  • 16:30this is
  • 16:32one series of examples of
  • 16:34how to present big chunks
  • 16:35of data and that you
  • 16:37don't need to do it
  • 16:38in microscopic font and that
  • 16:39you don't need to do
  • 16:40three slides to one concept.
  • 16:42You don't need images. In
  • 16:43fact, if there was an
  • 16:44image, it would be distracting.
  • 16:47It's minimizing it, making it
  • 16:49simple.
  • 16:53Now
  • 16:53along the lines of
  • 16:55sharing and what it is
  • 16:56that you share with your
  • 16:58audience,
  • 16:59I'd like to think as
  • 17:01there being two different kind
  • 17:03of PowerPoints.
  • 17:04There is your PowerPoint
  • 17:07and the learner's PowerPoint.
  • 17:10Because PowerPoint
  • 17:11is actually very good to
  • 17:13organize,
  • 17:14and as an outlining tool,
  • 17:16but that doesn't mean that
  • 17:17you need to torture your
  • 17:19audience sharing all of that.
  • 17:23So for example,
  • 17:25this is a very bad
  • 17:27slide.
  • 17:28As you can see, it
  • 17:29has way too many words,
  • 17:31way too many facts. You
  • 17:32you can't make any sense
  • 17:34of it.
  • 17:36To their credit,
  • 17:38they did this as part
  • 17:39of the outline
  • 17:40in PowerPoint. So all of
  • 17:42the slide is slide number
  • 17:43seven, which is just as
  • 17:45awful.
  • 17:46But imagine having to sit
  • 17:48through this,
  • 17:50and having to see
  • 17:52all of these data,
  • 17:55a much better way would
  • 17:56be to put a map
  • 17:57of the US with those
  • 17:59states highlighted
  • 18:01or of the world and
  • 18:02those countries highlighted and no
  • 18:04words. And you don't need
  • 18:05to go one by one.
  • 18:07It is
  • 18:08there. But the point is
  • 18:09that that could be what
  • 18:10you show them,
  • 18:12and this can be your
  • 18:13thing. You know? Keep all
  • 18:14the details in in case
  • 18:16you have someone in the
  • 18:17audience who wants to know
  • 18:18whether, I don't know, whether
  • 18:19New Zealand was involved or
  • 18:21whatever. But ninety nine percent
  • 18:22of the time, you're not
  • 18:23gonna need this granular information.
  • 18:26So this is one bad
  • 18:27example of of that. I'll
  • 18:29give you a better example
  • 18:30in a minute.
  • 18:35So let's move on to
  • 18:37the designing of, PowerPoint, and
  • 18:40these are the six
  • 18:43subsections that I have found,
  • 18:45helpful.
  • 18:47So let's start with revealing.
  • 18:49What do I mean by
  • 18:50that? Revealing and transitioning.
  • 18:52So
  • 18:54whoops. Sorry.
  • 18:55Sorry.
  • 18:57The idea is,
  • 18:59that you wanna gradually layer
  • 19:01information.
  • 19:02It goes along the lines
  • 19:03of this,
  • 19:05storytelling.
  • 19:07And like a good storyteller,
  • 19:08you don't tell the ending
  • 19:10at the beginning.
  • 19:11You build up
  • 19:13even some
  • 19:15tension
  • 19:16that will keep people interested.
  • 19:19So
  • 19:21in doing this, you can
  • 19:23prevent visual overload. I think
  • 19:25that you already see my
  • 19:26concerns with that.
  • 19:28It definitely leads to better
  • 19:29understanding
  • 19:30and retention,
  • 19:32and it can create this
  • 19:34dramatic tension. There's a lot
  • 19:35of drama in science that
  • 19:37we can,
  • 19:39communicate.
  • 19:41By the way, in some
  • 19:42of these slides of this
  • 19:44style that I've been layering
  • 19:46the PowerPoint and doing this,
  • 19:49I'm trying also to exemplify
  • 19:51that how
  • 19:52you can
  • 19:53little you know, morsel by
  • 19:55morsel, it's much easier to
  • 19:57follow the content.
  • 20:02So
  • 20:03in in in terms
  • 20:05of layering and not showing
  • 20:06it all at once, let
  • 20:07me show you this different
  • 20:09study. This is a quantitative
  • 20:11study
  • 20:13in which we use videotapes,
  • 20:15short videos
  • 20:17about a minute long
  • 20:19of
  • 20:20different
  • 20:21actors,
  • 20:22black and white adolescents,
  • 20:25talking about their depression.
  • 20:27And we use these videos
  • 20:29in very large sample sizes,
  • 20:33two thousand or so individuals,
  • 20:34and we found how people
  • 20:36felt. So again,
  • 20:38that's not the focus here.
  • 20:39The focus is how do
  • 20:40you present the information?
  • 20:44So this slide
  • 20:45is,
  • 20:46essentially,
  • 20:48taken from the paper.
  • 20:50And as you look at
  • 20:51it
  • 20:53and you listen to me
  • 20:55and you try to make
  • 20:55sense of it
  • 20:57and you look at the
  • 20:58asterisks
  • 20:59and the groups and the
  • 21:00subgroups,
  • 21:02either you're really, really smart
  • 21:05or you're losing me or
  • 21:07losing the slide.
  • 21:09You cannot do both. You
  • 21:10cannot do both well. Just
  • 21:12too much visual information.
  • 21:15Now
  • 21:16this worked fine in the
  • 21:17paper, and when you read
  • 21:18it on a paper, it
  • 21:19works fine.
  • 21:21But a paper is not
  • 21:23a PowerPoint presentation.
  • 21:26So how could you break
  • 21:27this down,
  • 21:28this kind of, information?
  • 21:31So
  • 21:33one way of doing it
  • 21:34is starting very simple again.
  • 21:37I'm gonna
  • 21:38show you the response
  • 21:40of
  • 21:41participants,
  • 21:42some of whom were white,
  • 21:43some of whom were
  • 21:45black.
  • 21:46And in this first outcome,
  • 21:48we're gonna look at how
  • 21:50much stigma they felt around
  • 21:52depression.
  • 21:54You will see two colors.
  • 21:56You're gonna see this tan
  • 21:58color, which is the response
  • 22:01to videos of depression, regular
  • 22:03depression.
  • 22:04And you will also see
  • 22:05these videos in the red
  • 22:07of what we call depression
  • 22:09adjusted
  • 22:10in which black actors
  • 22:13were
  • 22:14incorporating
  • 22:15elements that
  • 22:18were unique to black depression.
  • 22:20And we knew this because
  • 22:22of focus groups that we
  • 22:23have done with black,
  • 22:26non actors, with black women.
  • 22:29So so this is what
  • 22:30we're gonna see. So let's
  • 22:31see. For first time,
  • 22:33among black participants,
  • 22:35we see that they all
  • 22:37have
  • 22:38above zero.
  • 22:40They have some stigma,
  • 22:42And it appears as if
  • 22:44they have more,
  • 22:48they they
  • 22:49they are having more stigma
  • 22:51to the adjusted video.
  • 22:54However, there doesn't appear to
  • 22:56be a difference between the
  • 22:57groups.
  • 22:58And we know that because
  • 22:59when we compare to white
  • 23:01to non black participants,
  • 23:03they also all have,
  • 23:07increased in stigma
  • 23:10scores. But now we see
  • 23:12that
  • 23:13seeing the videos of the
  • 23:14these adjusted videos really did
  • 23:16lead to more
  • 23:19stigma.
  • 23:20We could go on, but
  • 23:21I think that you get
  • 23:22the the idea.
  • 23:24Similarly, I could walk,
  • 23:26for the sake of time,
  • 23:27I won't go into detail,
  • 23:28but something very similar on
  • 23:30our second outcome. We didn't
  • 23:32see much difference in the
  • 23:33first one,
  • 23:36and we did see some
  • 23:38difference in the second outcome,
  • 23:41etcetera.
  • 23:42So
  • 23:44the the point here
  • 23:45is that layering information and
  • 23:47presenting it in a
  • 23:49piecemeal way
  • 23:51gives you the ability to
  • 23:53present complex information
  • 23:55in a way that
  • 23:57makes sense.
  • 24:00Now
  • 24:01from a technical point of
  • 24:02view, how do you do
  • 24:03this?
  • 24:04Well, I did I included
  • 24:06these as black boxes.
  • 24:09You would do it with
  • 24:10a with a white box,
  • 24:11but I did it for
  • 24:12illustration with a black box
  • 24:14such that I am layering
  • 24:16the entry of this image.
  • 24:20And then I'm I'm gonna
  • 24:20take out that black box
  • 24:23to show that.
  • 24:27Again, in the original slides
  • 24:28that I showed you, the
  • 24:30the box was white
  • 24:32so that,
  • 24:33it would blend with the
  • 24:35background.
  • 24:37Similarly here, I would then
  • 24:39in in include insert
  • 24:41the second outcome.
  • 24:44And by taking the black
  • 24:45the white box out, it
  • 24:47can appear.
  • 24:48So that's just the slightest,
  • 24:51slight of hand, if you
  • 24:52will, in the background.
  • 24:56Another example,
  • 24:58this is a story, a
  • 24:59study about perceptions
  • 25:02of children on wheelchairs and
  • 25:04other disabilities.
  • 25:06And this is the before,
  • 25:09set of perceptions, challenging,
  • 25:11disability, difficult, different.
  • 25:13These were the, you know,
  • 25:15the negative words that struck
  • 25:16out the most.
  • 25:19After an intervention that we
  • 25:21did, you see that there
  • 25:22was a big change for
  • 25:23the better, and we see
  • 25:24these positive words.
  • 25:26I show you this because
  • 25:28if you if I were
  • 25:29to show you what you're
  • 25:29seeing right now,
  • 25:31all of these words,
  • 25:33it once again would make
  • 25:34a lot of
  • 25:36difficulty trying to make sense
  • 25:37of it. You know? What's
  • 25:38blue? What's red? What's pre?
  • 25:40What's post?
  • 25:41So by breaking it up,
  • 25:42you are going at your
  • 25:44learner's
  • 25:45speed.
  • 25:46So, hopefully, those examples
  • 25:48ring true.
  • 25:51I had told you that
  • 25:51if you forget everything, don't
  • 25:53forget
  • 25:55that you are the presentation
  • 25:57and PowerPoint is your tool.
  • 25:59The other thing that I
  • 26:00would ask you never to
  • 26:01forget because this is the
  • 26:02most helpful thing I've ever
  • 26:03heard learned in
  • 26:06PowerPoint
  • 26:07is the role of the
  • 26:08b and the w keys.
  • 26:10So this this only happens
  • 26:11when you're in
  • 26:13presenter view mode, which is
  • 26:15what I am on right
  • 26:16now. And I'm gonna press
  • 26:18the b key, and that's
  • 26:19what happens.
  • 26:21Gonna press it again.
  • 26:22I'm gonna press the w
  • 26:24key.
  • 26:25That's what happens.
  • 26:26So the w as in
  • 26:28white is not quite as
  • 26:29useful as the b as
  • 26:30in black because you're giving
  • 26:32a talk,
  • 26:34and
  • 26:35you now wanna make contact
  • 26:37with your
  • 26:39group.
  • 26:40You wanna really make eye
  • 26:42contact, which, yes, you can
  • 26:43do even on Zoom.
  • 26:45And by doing this,
  • 26:47they are not distracted by
  • 26:48other things.
  • 26:50So the the the,
  • 26:52the b key is
  • 26:53really your friend, and, I
  • 26:55hope you'll use
  • 26:57it.
  • 27:01Formatting,
  • 27:02a couple of nitty gritty
  • 27:03things.
  • 27:05You may or may not
  • 27:06have noticed that,
  • 27:08PowerPoint has been trending into
  • 27:10this white screen format, the
  • 27:12one above,
  • 27:14rather than the more square
  • 27:16one below, which was for
  • 27:17thirty five millimeter slides.
  • 27:20And I still see it
  • 27:21very often, even among super
  • 27:23sophisticated medical students, that they
  • 27:25use a format below.
  • 27:26So, before you start anything,
  • 27:28it's much easier to do
  • 27:29in the beginning. Just change
  • 27:30your format to widescreen.
  • 27:33And the reason for it
  • 27:34and why it is so
  • 27:35good is that it uses
  • 27:36the entirety of your screen,
  • 27:38whether on a computer or
  • 27:39when you're presenting.
  • 27:41Otherwise, you leave some good
  • 27:44real estate
  • 27:45on the ground. So use
  • 27:46the wide screen format. Very
  • 27:48easy to do.
  • 27:52If you're gonna use a
  • 27:53template, that's great.
  • 27:55The one below is the
  • 27:56one that I'm using now.
  • 27:57The one above is from
  • 27:58ELCME. You know, you can
  • 27:59always use your preferred
  • 28:02template.
  • 28:03But
  • 28:04a couple of things about
  • 28:05templates, the biggest thing about
  • 28:07templates is blocking the background.
  • 28:10I don't have an example
  • 28:11here, but I'm sure that
  • 28:13you will have seen
  • 28:15slides in which, I don't
  • 28:16know, some histogram
  • 28:18is competing
  • 28:19with the background.
  • 28:21And then it just makes
  • 28:22it ugly and difficult to
  • 28:24understand. And,
  • 28:26I I think that having
  • 28:27a completely blocked background
  • 28:29is a very good default.
  • 28:32You click right click and
  • 28:34it'll
  • 28:35say something about background and
  • 28:36you can just say omit
  • 28:38or discard or something background.
  • 28:41But it it's a simple
  • 28:42thing that makes,
  • 28:44a small but significant difference.
  • 28:48When you're choosing fonts,
  • 28:52please don't use serif fonts.
  • 28:55Don't use Times New Roman
  • 28:57or Garamond. And and if
  • 28:58you don't remember what a
  • 28:59font
  • 29:00a serif is
  • 29:02font.
  • 29:03Yes. Serif.
  • 29:06A font is
  • 29:11second. Whoops.
  • 29:14Okay. These
  • 29:17sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Okay.
  • 29:19These little thingies at the
  • 29:22bottom of the letters, those
  • 29:23are the serifs.
  • 29:24And serifs are very helpful
  • 29:26when you're reading text in
  • 29:27a book
  • 29:28because your eye follows them
  • 29:30very easily.
  • 29:32However, they are terrible when
  • 29:33it comes to PowerPoint or
  • 29:35to posters.
  • 29:36Absolutely terrible.
  • 29:38So
  • 29:39you wanna use any number
  • 29:40of cents without serifs. So
  • 29:43these are some of the
  • 29:43more common ones.
  • 29:48We all use,
  • 29:50images, or we should all
  • 29:51be using images
  • 29:54in PowerPoint and in posters.
  • 29:57But it's key to get
  • 29:59images that have the right
  • 30:00resolution. This is an extreme
  • 30:02example of President Obama,
  • 30:05but you will see
  • 30:07less extreme examples all the
  • 30:08time where it really looks
  • 30:09pixelated
  • 30:10and ugly, and it kinda
  • 30:12scratches your eyeball.
  • 30:13So get images that are
  • 30:15high resolution.
  • 30:17When I wanna get something
  • 30:18from
  • 30:19online, I would ask you
  • 30:21know, president Obama,
  • 30:23high resolution image,
  • 30:24and then you can get,
  • 30:26you know, really high resolution
  • 30:27images.
  • 30:34One of the things that
  • 30:35can be criticized about
  • 30:37PowerPoint
  • 30:38is that it can rely
  • 30:40or over rely on lists
  • 30:42and bullet lists.
  • 30:44So be judicious
  • 30:46about those.
  • 30:47I think I hope that
  • 30:48I have been because I've
  • 30:50used some of them here.
  • 30:52And and one of the
  • 30:54list that is very helpful
  • 30:55to use is a table
  • 30:56of contents with periodic reminders.
  • 31:00I gave you in the
  • 31:01beginning
  • 31:03the thirty thousand foot view
  • 31:04of where I was going,
  • 31:05and I've been reminding you
  • 31:06periodically, and I'll do one
  • 31:08more reminder in case you
  • 31:09forgot.
  • 31:11And and this is consistent
  • 31:12with good pedagogy of tell
  • 31:14them what you'll do.
  • 31:16Tell them the it that
  • 31:18you're doing,
  • 31:19and remind them, what is
  • 31:21it that you did.
  • 31:26Embedding goodies
  • 31:28into PowerPoint is fantastic. And
  • 31:30in in fact, it's so
  • 31:31fantastic that the next session
  • 31:32I teach will be all
  • 31:34about
  • 31:35embedding
  • 31:36goodies such as graphics, videos,
  • 31:38polls, all sorts of things
  • 31:40into PowerPoint.
  • 31:42And,
  • 31:43so again, be on the
  • 31:44lookout for that
  • 31:45second session.
  • 31:47But I do have an
  • 31:48example
  • 31:49to give you an idea.
  • 31:51I could have
  • 31:53a next series of slides
  • 31:58telling you the subject matter
  • 31:59that you're gonna be learning
  • 32:00about in the next minute
  • 32:01and a half
  • 32:02and the pros and the
  • 32:03cons of the literature and
  • 32:04the citation and the this
  • 32:05and the this and the
  • 32:06the and you, of course,
  • 32:07will forget it. You know,
  • 32:08like you will forget everything.
  • 32:11But I bet that you
  • 32:12won't forget what you're about
  • 32:13to see
  • 32:15because it's a different way
  • 32:16of experiencing
  • 32:18PowerPoint and experiencing
  • 32:20what it is that you're
  • 32:20suing, and it's disarming because
  • 32:22it's not common. So let's
  • 32:24look at it. It's,
  • 32:25it's a minute and a
  • 32:27half, and I realized that
  • 32:28I need to,
  • 32:29step out and step in
  • 32:31for a second.
  • 32:33Hold on.
  • 32:35Stop share.
  • 32:38Oh, by the way, this
  • 32:39is a very important point
  • 32:40about PowerPoint. Why did I
  • 32:41do that?
  • 32:43Because when you share
  • 32:46share share share,
  • 32:49there's a button
  • 32:53that says
  • 32:56oh, here it is. It
  • 32:57says,
  • 32:58share sound, which I just
  • 33:00clicked,
  • 33:01and another one that says
  • 33:03optimize for video clip that
  • 33:04I did not clip.
  • 33:06The reason to do that
  • 33:07is that if I hadn't,
  • 33:10the video that you're about
  • 33:11to see
  • 33:13would have been
  • 33:16second.
  • 33:18Would have been either pixelated
  • 33:20or the sound would have
  • 33:21been weird.
  • 33:22So always, put the the
  • 33:24audio. Okay. So now you're
  • 33:25gonna see a not pixelated
  • 33:27good form. Let's see this
  • 33:28minute and a half video.
  • 34:41So
  • 34:42the
  • 34:43point of showing this video
  • 34:44is
  • 34:45exemplifying
  • 34:47what happens when you approach
  • 34:49a topic and particularly your
  • 34:50audience through a completely different
  • 34:52way.
  • 34:53This is not what typically
  • 34:55people
  • 34:55expect.
  • 34:58So, Egan, the the judicious
  • 35:00use
  • 35:01of audio
  • 35:02video can be
  • 35:03really,
  • 35:04quite,
  • 35:05dramatic and changing.
  • 35:10No? Okay. Okay.
  • 35:14General consideration about timing.
  • 35:17You should think
  • 35:18about one minute per slide
  • 35:20on average.
  • 35:21You don't wanna linger too
  • 35:23much in any one slide,
  • 35:24and it also gives you
  • 35:25a good sense of what
  • 35:26you have in mind for
  • 35:28a
  • 35:32talk. If you try to
  • 35:33do
  • 35:35too many more than this,
  • 35:36it can get complicated unless
  • 35:37they're very simple slides that
  • 35:39build onto one another, and
  • 35:41you don't wanna linger
  • 35:42on any one given slide.
  • 35:46So this is a table
  • 35:48of content, and this is
  • 35:49what we've covered and what
  • 35:50remains to cover.
  • 35:52So, hopefully,
  • 35:54this has
  • 35:58you you'll remember some of
  • 35:59this and put some of
  • 36:00this to to practice.
  • 36:03So now that you've
  • 36:05thought of how you're gonna
  • 36:05engage your crowd,
  • 36:07now that you've prepared your
  • 36:08slide and spent so much
  • 36:09time doing it, how do
  • 36:10you deliver it?
  • 36:12And
  • 36:13two points here. So the
  • 36:15first one is about practicing.
  • 36:18Remember that awful slide that
  • 36:20I I showed you,
  • 36:23about use of your PowerPoint
  • 36:25and their PowerPoint?
  • 36:27Well, it turns out that
  • 36:29all of you on PowerPoint
  • 36:30have this slide sorter. Oops.
  • 36:33Hold on. Okay. Have this
  • 36:35slide sorter,
  • 36:37set of slides
  • 36:38down here
  • 36:39so that you can quickly
  • 36:41move forward and back
  • 36:43between slides. I am doing
  • 36:44it now, and I can
  • 36:46see exactly
  • 36:47how many slides I have.
  • 36:52So
  • 36:54the the other thing is
  • 36:56that let's say that I'm
  • 36:56talking here at this slide,
  • 36:59and I have one minute
  • 37:00to go.
  • 37:02There there's no way that
  • 37:03I can oh, sorry.
  • 37:09I'm here, and I have
  • 37:10one minute to go.
  • 37:11There's no way that I
  • 37:12can tell all of this
  • 37:13story in one minute.
  • 37:15But what I can do
  • 37:16is that I can go
  • 37:17and click here on slide
  • 37:19twenty nine,
  • 37:20and slide twenty nine will
  • 37:21be here rather than having
  • 37:22to go through all the
  • 37:24slides in between.
  • 37:26Very, very helpful. So this
  • 37:27is a presenter view.
  • 37:30I would just say that
  • 37:32one thing that is not
  • 37:33fully straightforward is using presenter
  • 37:35view in Zoom.
  • 37:36So if you're gonna
  • 37:38you do that,
  • 37:40I think you need
  • 37:41to try it beforehand.
  • 37:44But that's one way of
  • 37:46synthesizing information and using your
  • 37:49information,
  • 37:51as a table of contents,
  • 37:52if you will, and being
  • 37:53able to flip back and
  • 37:54forth.
  • 38:02There's
  • 38:04a couple of very practical
  • 38:05things.
  • 38:07So,
  • 38:09we talked about timing.
  • 38:12I started mentioning some of
  • 38:13the differences between using a
  • 38:14projector and a Zoom
  • 38:16and do doing things on
  • 38:17Zoom.
  • 38:18But in Zoom, it's
  • 38:20it it it it largely
  • 38:22is better.
  • 38:24It definitely is better, but
  • 38:25there are a couple of
  • 38:26things that you can't quite
  • 38:27do and especially things that
  • 38:29might have to do with
  • 38:30two monitors,
  • 38:33or seeing one thing for
  • 38:35you and one thing for
  • 38:36your crowd. It is doable,
  • 38:38but it's it is complicated.
  • 38:40It's much easier,
  • 38:41in traditional AV.
  • 38:43And that leads to this
  • 38:44old school recommendation that there's
  • 38:46nothing wrong in bringing
  • 38:49good good old paper backup.
  • 38:52When I was reading
  • 38:54with the black screen,
  • 38:57a few minutes before,
  • 38:59I couldn't
  • 39:00see the text in my
  • 39:02screen.
  • 39:03So what did I do?
  • 39:05You know, just very
  • 39:07old fashioned paper.
  • 39:09So whenever I have stuff
  • 39:10that I want to read
  • 39:11or hit on, it it's
  • 39:12very good to have it,
  • 39:14to have it there.
  • 39:17Not forgetting,
  • 39:19a dongle.
  • 39:21And if you don't know
  • 39:22what a dongle is, I'll
  • 39:22show you in a second.
  • 39:25Here, it's different. In Zoom,
  • 39:27you don't need a dongle.
  • 39:28You just present, and that's
  • 39:29great. But if you go
  • 39:31to a presentation
  • 39:32somewhere,
  • 39:33it's important to have a
  • 39:34dongle that fits your computer
  • 39:36because there's nothing worse than
  • 39:37getting there and not being
  • 39:38able to,
  • 39:40present.
  • 39:41And this last thing that
  • 39:42I learned from my work
  • 39:44with actors, I I love
  • 39:46it, this motto of actors,
  • 39:47which is to arrive early
  • 39:50is to arrive on time.
  • 39:52To arrive on time
  • 39:54is to be late,
  • 39:55and to be late is
  • 39:56unacceptable.
  • 39:58So
  • 40:01prevent yourself the heartache of
  • 40:03getting to a presentation
  • 40:05and not be able to
  • 40:06connect or the electricity is
  • 40:08gone or the dog ate
  • 40:09it.
  • 40:13So these are different examples
  • 40:15of, of dongles.
  • 40:17This is the kind that
  • 40:18I have that accommodates
  • 40:20anything and everything.
  • 40:22But, again, work with whatever
  • 40:24is your
  • 40:26your standard.
  • 40:27The most common standard these
  • 40:28days is,
  • 40:30this kind of HDMI,
  • 40:31and something that is really,
  • 40:33really nice about it is
  • 40:35that it incorporates sound as
  • 40:37well. So you don't need
  • 40:38to have a separate
  • 40:39thingy for for sound.
  • 40:49Face the audience,
  • 40:51not the slides.
  • 40:54This is a
  • 40:55semi egregious example. I have
  • 40:57seen more egregious
  • 40:58of people simply turning around
  • 41:00and looking at the slides.
  • 41:05No matter how good your
  • 41:06talk is, if you are
  • 41:08not looking at the crowd,
  • 41:12you know, it it's not
  • 41:13gonna work.
  • 41:14And, and and this feels,
  • 41:17I don't know,
  • 41:18anywhere from disrespectful
  • 41:20to weird
  • 41:23to very strange. So always
  • 41:25look at the audience. If
  • 41:26you're in Zoom like I
  • 41:27am now,
  • 41:29it's good to make eye
  • 41:30contact one in once in
  • 41:31a while. You don't wanna
  • 41:32be, you know, freakishly looking
  • 41:34at the eyeballs all the
  • 41:35time, but you wanna be
  • 41:37aware of who's on the
  • 41:38other side.
  • 41:42So,
  • 41:43couple of executive summary points.
  • 41:46Oh,
  • 41:48I guess that I hit
  • 41:49on my executive
  • 41:51summary. So just to give
  • 41:52you an example, I had
  • 41:53forty seven slides,
  • 41:56and we are at forty
  • 41:57three minutes. So that's
  • 41:59pretty much what I wanted
  • 42:01to to do.
  • 42:04There's only one more slide,
  • 42:05which is telling you
  • 42:06what's coming up in the
  • 42:07series.
  • 42:08And we would really appreciate
  • 42:10if you took a moment
  • 42:11now
  • 42:13to take this QR code
  • 42:15or,
  • 42:17Linda, if you could put
  • 42:18the
  • 42:19the URL in the chat
  • 42:22so that we can,
  • 42:27do this evaluation that we
  • 42:29really, really, really,
  • 42:31find important. And then, I'm
  • 42:33really happy to see we're
  • 42:34gonna have some some time
  • 42:36for
  • 42:37for questions of which, hopefully,
  • 42:38there will be
  • 42:40several or many.
  • 42:56Andres, did you wanna take
  • 42:58questions now or just quickly
  • 42:59show the upcoming slides while
  • 43:01we Yeah. Yeah. Let's just
  • 43:02give, you know, thirty seconds
  • 43:03to Yeah. Thirty more seconds.
  • 43:04In? Yeah. There we go.
  • 43:07Yeah. So these are the
  • 43:08upcoming,
  • 43:09talks in the in the
  • 43:11series.
  • 43:12And as you see, we
  • 43:13have,
  • 43:15yoked them to the different,
  • 43:17milestones.
  • 43:18So Bill Rando, who I
  • 43:20saw is here, hello, Bill,
  • 43:21will be,
  • 43:24our next speaker, cohosted by
  • 43:26General Internal Medicine.
  • 43:29And
  • 43:31yeah.
  • 43:34Thank you. I I'm gonna
  • 43:36just kick it off with
  • 43:37a question that,
  • 43:38Anita,
  • 43:39I think, let me go
  • 43:40back, had asked. And either
  • 43:42you can answer it or
  • 43:43Bill, if he's still with
  • 43:44us, because it it kind
  • 43:46of squarely gets at, why
  • 43:48there may be quite a
  • 43:49few people here who do
  • 43:50teach in the pre clerkship
  • 43:51curriculum, for example,
  • 43:53which has to do with
  • 43:54whether or not there's data
  • 43:55that PowerPoint teaching is not
  • 43:57reaching our students with regards
  • 43:58to their preferences
  • 44:00or teaching to learning efficiency.
  • 44:05Andres, you wanna take a
  • 44:06stab at that? And then
  • 44:07Yeah. I can give you
  • 44:08my,
  • 44:09nonevidence based response, and I'm
  • 44:11sure that, Bill can
  • 44:13take it take it away.
  • 44:14I I think that,
  • 44:16you know, so many of
  • 44:17students who I speak with
  • 44:19are are really just sick
  • 44:20of it
  • 44:21and and find it,
  • 44:25I don't know, very nineteen
  • 44:27eighties and and very hierarchical.
  • 44:31And,
  • 44:32I say and you do.
  • 44:34And then when you add
  • 44:35that to bad use of
  • 44:37PowerPoint,
  • 44:38it it it just becomes
  • 44:40an explosive
  • 44:41cocktail. And in some sense,
  • 44:43I think as soon as
  • 44:43they see a PowerPoint, they
  • 44:44kinda fall asleep or whatever.
  • 44:47I
  • 44:48as you could tell from
  • 44:50my talk, I'm a I'm
  • 44:51a fan of PowerPoint used
  • 44:53well. I think that there's
  • 44:54a role for it,
  • 44:56but most of the times,
  • 44:57I think it's not.
  • 44:59So my data comes just
  • 45:00anecdotally from students. But, Bill.
  • 45:05Hi, everyone.
  • 45:07Good to be here. Thank
  • 45:08you, Andreas. That was wonderful.
  • 45:12The
  • 45:15the the data, frankly, on
  • 45:17PowerPoint has, as most things
  • 45:19like this, has been mixed.
  • 45:22Obviously, PowerPoint
  • 45:24allows
  • 45:25us teachers to do things
  • 45:27we couldn't do before around
  • 45:29visualization.
  • 45:30Amazing.
  • 45:32For people,
  • 45:33has kept the instructors on
  • 45:36track, which is greatly appreciated.
  • 45:38But I think,
  • 45:41as a mode, as Andres
  • 45:43mentioned, it has become,
  • 45:45soporific.
  • 45:47The PowerPoints go up,
  • 45:49and people begin to shut
  • 45:51down. And and, again, my
  • 45:53anecdotal working with teachers to,
  • 45:56restate what Andres said,
  • 45:58people forget
  • 45:59that people come to see
  • 46:01a teacher, to see a
  • 46:02person,
  • 46:03to make a connection,
  • 46:04not to watch a screen.
  • 46:07That's just so that that's
  • 46:09my two cents.
  • 46:12Yeah.
  • 46:14Thank you. And I am
  • 46:15I see a hand up.
  • 46:16I wanna pronounce your name
  • 46:18correctly. What's Bonnie?
  • 46:20Yeah. Yeah. That's fine. That's
  • 46:21fine. So Hi. Hi, and
  • 46:23hi, Andres.
  • 46:24I have a question regarding
  • 46:25the color scheme.
  • 46:27So, I mean, is there
  • 46:28any anything that we should
  • 46:29be thinking about the kind
  • 46:30of colors that we are
  • 46:31choosing, especially, you know, in
  • 46:34context of,
  • 46:36you know, certain kind of
  • 46:37as just nice, like the
  • 46:38color blindness or any other
  • 46:39kind of psychological,
  • 46:41issues
  • 46:42and any social context that
  • 46:43we have to be aware
  • 46:44of what kind of colors
  • 46:45and how many colors we
  • 46:46can use in a per
  • 46:47slide, is it, like, should
  • 46:48we make it more colorful?
  • 46:50What what's your take on
  • 46:51that?
  • 46:52Yeah. Yeah.
  • 46:54Interesting. I'll I'll I'll answer
  • 46:55first how many number of
  • 46:57colors.
  • 46:58I think that going beyond,
  • 47:01three colors is really too
  • 47:03much.
  • 47:05Probably three is
  • 47:07it can be handled, especially
  • 47:09if they are contrasting one
  • 47:10with the other. So that
  • 47:12would be my my thought
  • 47:13there.
  • 47:15Of course, if you put
  • 47:15images and photos and all
  • 47:17sorts of things, they can
  • 47:18really enrich
  • 47:20things a lot.
  • 47:22Incidentally, if you put a
  • 47:23wonderful photograph,
  • 47:26a very common mistake is
  • 47:27to then put a title
  • 47:28and a subtitle and where
  • 47:29it was taken from. And,
  • 47:30you know, so then you've
  • 47:31killed the image with all
  • 47:33that crap.
  • 47:34So just put the image,
  • 47:35fill fill the screen with
  • 47:37the image and talk about
  • 47:38it. So that would be
  • 47:40one. You know, the the
  • 47:42issue with
  • 47:43color blindness is a very
  • 47:44good one. I don't have
  • 47:46the best answer here,
  • 47:48but I know that there
  • 47:49are color templates that are
  • 47:51more and less
  • 47:53aversive
  • 47:53or unviewable.
  • 47:54I think that the big
  • 47:56no no, if I remember,
  • 47:58is blue and yellow, but
  • 47:59don't quote me there. But
  • 48:01if you look at color
  • 48:03scheme,
  • 48:04you'll find it right away
  • 48:05and, you know, stay away
  • 48:06from from from those,
  • 48:08colors. And,
  • 48:12you know, in terms of
  • 48:14are there colors that are
  • 48:15offensive or whatever,
  • 48:17you know,
  • 48:19there's always someone to be
  • 48:21offended by something. Right? But
  • 48:22I think that if you
  • 48:23if you stay if you
  • 48:24stick by Yale colors being
  • 48:26here, you know, you're good.
  • 48:28You know? If Harvard wants
  • 48:29to be offended, let them
  • 48:30be offended.
  • 48:32So
  • 48:34Can I can I just
  • 48:35add,
  • 48:36you know, when we've envisioned
  • 48:37these sessions for everybody who's
  • 48:39who's on still,
  • 48:40ideally, you know, you'd have
  • 48:42your PowerPoint
  • 48:43like, Andres just did, which
  • 48:44gives you the foundations, and
  • 48:46then we'd have some sort
  • 48:46of application
  • 48:48exercise? But that's given we
  • 48:50want to make sure that
  • 48:51we accommodate a lot of
  • 48:52people to be able to
  • 48:53hear the fundamentals.
  • 48:54We wanna make sure that
  • 48:55you do have an opportunity
  • 48:56to,
  • 48:57to get some feedback because
  • 48:58just because you, like, learned
  • 49:00it doesn't mean you can
  • 49:01do it. So we do
  • 49:03want you to feel like
  • 49:04you have an opportunity
  • 49:05either by signing up for
  • 49:07that teaching observation on the
  • 49:08Yale Center for Medical Education
  • 49:10website
  • 49:11or Andres and I, for
  • 49:12example, and I know there's
  • 49:13a cadre of others. Like,
  • 49:14if you wanted to email
  • 49:16us a like like a
  • 49:17five minute video of you
  • 49:19doing your teaching or
  • 49:21some of your slides,
  • 49:22it can be really useful.
  • 49:24I was super guilty before
  • 49:25I learned some of these
  • 49:26cons content of having PowerPoint,
  • 49:29automatic
  • 49:30formatting, you know, just have
  • 49:31it be very text heavy,
  • 49:32and it takes work. It
  • 49:34takes work now to take
  • 49:35your existing PowerPoints that are,
  • 49:36like, all wordy and trying
  • 49:38to do the work to
  • 49:38come up with a graphic
  • 49:39or in some sort of
  • 49:40advanced organizer
  • 49:41that really advance decreases their
  • 49:43mental load and helps them,
  • 49:45like Andre has showed with
  • 49:47those word clouds
  • 49:48or other or graphs or
  • 49:50something else that tells the
  • 49:51story so that your lane
  • 49:53your brain lanes that only
  • 49:54have one lane for visual
  • 49:55and one lane for words
  • 49:57doesn't have all the word
  • 49:58lanes clogged by listening to
  • 50:00his words and reading the
  • 50:01words. You need to have
  • 50:03lanes open either with few
  • 50:04words or with something that
  • 50:06you're looking at that's not
  • 50:07words while you're listening to
  • 50:08the words. So we are
  • 50:09really want to be available
  • 50:11for that just to put
  • 50:12it as a plug. But,
  • 50:14Heather also has a question
  • 50:15either for Bill,
  • 50:16or others about whether
  • 50:18the school, as far as
  • 50:19you know, is gonna support
  • 50:21the ability maybe get a
  • 50:22Mentimeter subscription or something for
  • 50:24educators to use for some
  • 50:25of these interactive,
  • 50:27software platforms.
  • 50:30I mean, I'll I'll I
  • 50:31I I'm not aware of
  • 50:33of any plans.
  • 50:35So much right now in
  • 50:37the technology
  • 50:39area is focused
  • 50:41on AI.
  • 50:42You know? There's just been
  • 50:43this shift.
  • 50:46So,
  • 50:49but I do think I
  • 50:51I
  • 50:51seen,
  • 50:53many,
  • 50:55math and science and engineering
  • 50:57instruction
  • 50:58use
  • 51:00polling and interactive,
  • 51:02technologies
  • 51:04remarkably
  • 51:05well.
  • 51:06You know?
  • 51:07Not as games or toys,
  • 51:09but ways of allowing students
  • 51:11to assess their own knowledge
  • 51:13and then, you know, that
  • 51:15kind of thing.
  • 51:16So I I would be
  • 51:18very glad to see,
  • 51:20more use of those things
  • 51:22to increase interactivity
  • 51:24in Yale
  • 51:25in lectures and make them,
  • 51:27learning experiences.
  • 51:29Yeah. Thank you. I I
  • 51:30wonder,
  • 51:31would the next step be
  • 51:32for us to go to
  • 51:33the librarian? And, you know,
  • 51:35in the great scheme of
  • 51:36things, I don't think that
  • 51:37it's that much.
  • 51:40And and, also, I'll be
  • 51:41talking about Mentimeter and and,
  • 51:43the like the next time.
  • 51:45They
  • 51:46even the free versions are
  • 51:48helpful. I mean, you don't
  • 51:49you don't need to have
  • 51:50the Rolls Royce for many
  • 51:51things.
  • 51:57Bonnie, I put in the
  • 51:58chat
  • 51:59some resources that I just
  • 52:00found, pretty helpful, all sorts
  • 52:02of tips and tricks
  • 52:03about colorblind and templates, etcetera.
  • 52:05So
  • 52:08Thank you so much.
  • 52:10We have time for any
  • 52:11other questions that people have?
  • 52:19We encourage you to try
  • 52:20to be
  • 52:21deliberate
  • 52:22with your mastery learning and
  • 52:23becoming educators and and maybe
  • 52:25look at those,
  • 52:27milestones
  • 52:28and self assess and identify
  • 52:30opportunities
  • 52:31for you to,
  • 52:33fill in your gaps. And
  • 52:35and, again, for you to
  • 52:36get the feedback of how
  • 52:37well you are making progress
  • 52:39along those milestones, please reach
  • 52:41out
  • 52:42to the center for some
  • 52:43of the observation and feedback
  • 52:45services and other resources.
  • 52:47And come to Will Bill
  • 52:49Rando's session September
  • 52:51twenty.
  • 52:55You're muted. I'm counting on
  • 52:57you.
  • 52:59You're still muted. It's next
  • 53:00week. Next week. Next Thursday.
  • 53:03Alright. And all the registration
  • 53:04information is on the center
  • 53:06website,
  • 53:08Yale Center for Medical Education.
  • 53:09Just Google that if that's
  • 53:11not quite the right,
  • 53:13URL that I'm saying.
  • 53:18Alright. Thanks for everybody for
  • 53:20coming.
  • 53:21We appreciate it. This will
  • 53:22be a great year.
  • 53:24Thank you. Thank you, Andres.
  • 53:26Thank you.
  • 53:29Thanks, Dana.
  • 53:37Andreas, are we on a
  • 53:38different Zoom
  • 53:40for the next meeting? You
  • 53:42are. You're on Dana's Zoom.
  • 53:43It's in the
  • 53:45Okay. In the Outlook invitation.
  • 53:47Okay.
  • 53:48Zoom.
  • 53:49Okay.
  • 53:50Thank you. Fabrizio.
  • 53:53He's one of the med
  • 53:54ed concentration students. Oh, yes.
  • 53:56Yeah.
  • 53:57Alright. So we'll sign off.
  • 53:59I'll see you in a
  • 54:00I'll see you in a
  • 54:00minute, Andreas. Thanks, everybody. Okay.
  • 54:03Bye. Bye.