9-6-24 YES!: Reversing the Tyranny of PowerPoint with Andrés
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- 00:00Medical educator series.
- 00:03You know, we're recording the
- 00:04sessions so that we can
- 00:05have them on the center
- 00:06website,
- 00:07for any of these sessions
- 00:08that you can't,
- 00:10come to. I'm Dana Dunn.
- 00:11I co direct the course,
- 00:14the annual course with Andreas
- 00:15Martin, who is with
- 00:16data at the top. Our
- 00:17session leader today. So
- 00:19And, thank you very much
- 00:21for for muting.
- 00:23I wanted just to give
- 00:24a couple of introductory comments
- 00:25about the course
- 00:27or series this year
- 00:29before I introduce our speaker.
- 00:32A lot of you are
- 00:33here because you wanna be
- 00:34better educators in the clinical
- 00:36setting. Some of you are
- 00:37here because you have major
- 00:38educational roles for
- 00:40courses or clerkships or residency
- 00:42programs. Some of you are
- 00:43here because you wanna teach
- 00:44your postdocs in the lab.
- 00:46There's a lot of places
- 00:47where teaching comes in handy.
- 00:50For those of you who
- 00:51are really wanna work
- 00:53deliberately on your educator skills,
- 00:56you may have noticed that
- 00:58we have these
- 01:01somewhat cryptic,
- 01:03letters that we have added
- 01:05to each of our sessions.
- 01:07And so I'm putting in
- 01:08the chat,
- 01:09a one pager on the
- 01:11ACGME
- 01:12clinician educator milestones, which got
- 01:15published
- 01:15a year or two ago.
- 01:17Voice And what we've done
- 01:19is that we've mapped all
- 01:20of the sessions
- 01:21to these clinician educator milestones
- 01:23so that you can be
- 01:24really deliberate about,
- 01:28finding what you feel like
- 01:29your gaps are when you're
- 01:30looking at the all the
- 01:31competencies of somebody who's gonna
- 01:33be an effective educator.
- 01:35And then we've been able
- 01:36to kind of then name
- 01:37each of the sessions,
- 01:39both in this yes series
- 01:40as well as in the
- 01:41monthly med ed discussion group
- 01:42series that are offered through
- 01:43the center for you to
- 01:45be able to kind of
- 01:45self assess and recognize where
- 01:47you really feel like you
- 01:48need to concentrate some of
- 01:49your efforts.
- 01:50So
- 01:51those, the one pager I
- 01:53just sent you just gives
- 01:54you the, the name of
- 01:55that competency.
- 01:57But for those of you
- 01:58who really wanna delve deep
- 01:59and find out more information
- 02:00about,
- 02:03about the milestones,
- 02:04descriptively,
- 02:06I've also just sent through
- 02:07the chat the full PDF
- 02:10of all of the milestones,
- 02:12that blow out a little
- 02:13bit more kind of the
- 02:14behaviors from early educator
- 02:17on up through more experienced
- 02:19educators so that you can
- 02:20self assess at some point
- 02:21and come up with your
- 02:22own learning plan that would
- 02:24involve,
- 02:25which of these sessions, hopefully,
- 02:26all you would wanna come
- 02:27to. So let us know
- 02:28if you have any questions
- 02:29about that, but we wanted
- 02:30to let you start to
- 02:31be more deliberately in control
- 02:34of
- 02:35recognizing where these sessions fit
- 02:36in
- 02:37to being a complete educator.
- 02:40And we have a little
- 02:41bit more information at the
- 02:42end of the session where
- 02:43you may you may be
- 02:43able to get some more
- 02:44feedback and practice for some
- 02:46of these things that we're
- 02:47gonna talk about today.
- 02:49So without further ado, I
- 02:51wanna introduce our inaugural
- 02:53speaker, Andreas Martin, who's a
- 02:55professor in the department of
- 02:57child psychiatry.
- 02:58He has many hats.
- 03:00I'm gonna point out a
- 03:01few of the hats that
- 03:02I think are meaningful for
- 03:04today.
- 03:05Very meaningful to me is
- 03:06one of our longitudinal coaches,
- 03:09in, in our inaugural year
- 03:10of that last year.
- 03:12He's an associate in the
- 03:13center for medical education and
- 03:15recently became the director of
- 03:17the new med student med
- 03:19school,
- 03:20med ed concentration for the
- 03:21students, which is very popular.
- 03:23Fifty students signed up for
- 03:24that at least, so he's
- 03:25gonna be directing that. So
- 03:27I'm gonna turn it over
- 03:28to him for some people
- 03:30who are whether you're teaching
- 03:31in the classroom
- 03:32primarily or you might be
- 03:34using PowerPoint in other
- 03:36places like, presenting at a
- 03:37national conference or something locally,
- 03:40you're gonna, wanna pay attention
- 03:41to this. So, Andreas,
- 03:43off to you.
- 03:45Thank you,
- 03:46Dana. Let me share my
- 03:48screen.
- 03:56Okeydoke.
- 03:58So thank you. Thank you
- 03:59all for for coming on
- 04:00this Friday afternoon.
- 04:02It's, such a joy to
- 04:03be doing this
- 04:04series together with Dana and,
- 04:07in the Center for Medical
- 04:08Education.
- 04:09And really good to see
- 04:10all of you.
- 04:12So today,
- 04:15I titled my my talk
- 04:16Reversing the Tyranny of PowerPoint
- 04:18because I'm sure
- 04:19that you have all had
- 04:21experiences
- 04:21where the PowerPoint,
- 04:23takes over and not necessarily
- 04:25in a good way.
- 04:26So let me tell you
- 04:27what I'm what I will
- 04:29do and what I will
- 04:30not do. What what I
- 04:31will not particularly do today
- 04:33is tell you which button
- 04:35to press
- 04:36in PowerPoint.
- 04:39You know, that's
- 04:41findable, easily findable.
- 04:43You can talk to people,
- 04:44and that that usually is
- 04:45not the issue.
- 04:47I'm gonna talk more
- 04:50at a conceptual level
- 04:52about
- 04:58the things that can go
- 04:59wrong
- 05:00and can easily be made
- 05:01right in PowerPoint so that
- 05:03PowerPoint really serves you rather
- 05:06than you running around trying
- 05:07to serve PowerPoint.
- 05:10Okay. But at the same
- 05:12time, I wanna assure you
- 05:13it's gonna be a very
- 05:13practical session. I'm not gonna
- 05:15be talking about the philosophy
- 05:16of learning or the philosophy
- 05:17of PowerPoint.
- 05:19This information about CME is
- 05:21also in the chat, so
- 05:23please log on so that
- 05:24you can claim your credits.
- 05:27And this is a different
- 05:29view of the same one
- 05:30pager
- 05:31that you had from Dana.
- 05:33So these are the
- 05:36learning objectives,
- 05:37the milestones
- 05:38for clinician educators.
- 05:41And what I have done
- 05:42here is grayed out the
- 05:44stuff that is not hugely
- 05:45relevant today
- 05:47and highlighted in yellow what
- 05:48we're gonna be focusing on
- 05:50today.
- 05:52This is to tell you
- 05:53that as we go in
- 05:54this yes series,
- 05:56I think we're going to
- 05:57cover pretty much everything or
- 05:59the vast majority of these
- 06:00goals.
- 06:02So we're going to be
- 06:03talking about teaching and,
- 06:06establishing a,
- 06:08a a good learning environment.
- 06:12Okay. So let's get started.
- 06:13How how can we get
- 06:14to a better slideshow?
- 06:17Just thinking in your mind,
- 06:19what's the worst
- 06:21PowerPoint you've ever experienced.
- 06:24And probably there's going to
- 06:25be competition
- 06:26because there's probably many such
- 06:28PowerPoints
- 06:29that just to think about
- 06:31them hurts your retina or
- 06:32your brain or something.
- 06:34So that's not what we
- 06:35want. We want one of
- 06:36those PowerPoints that really
- 06:39flow and help to teach.
- 06:41So today, I'm gonna divide
- 06:43this talk into three parts.
- 06:44One is,
- 06:46engaging.
- 06:47How do we engage with
- 06:48our audience?
- 06:50And this is really psychology,
- 06:51if you will. It's just
- 06:52thinking about other people's minds
- 06:54and how other people think.
- 06:57The second part is about
- 06:59preparing, preparing your talk. How
- 07:00do you design it? Designing
- 07:02a PowerPoint.
- 07:04And finally,
- 07:06delivering it.
- 07:07How do you share the
- 07:08content?
- 07:10And you see that all
- 07:11of these are a bunch
- 07:12of gerunds in there, engaging,
- 07:14preparing, designing, delivering, sharing.
- 07:17Because to do it right,
- 07:18it needs to be a
- 07:19very active
- 07:20process, and you need to
- 07:21be very active.
- 07:25So
- 07:26let's start with the first
- 07:27of those three, engaging in
- 07:29the what I'm calling the
- 07:30psychology
- 07:31of PowerPoint. And these are
- 07:33the four
- 07:34subsections that we're going to
- 07:36touch on here.
- 07:40So what do I mean
- 07:41by featuring?
- 07:43Well, if you forget everything
- 07:44that I've said today and
- 07:46you're likely to forget everything
- 07:47that I say,
- 07:49Please do not forget
- 07:50this.
- 07:52PowerPoint
- 07:53is the tool.
- 07:55You are the presentation.
- 07:58PowerPoint is the tool. You
- 08:00are the presentation.
- 08:02I think that this is
- 08:03just routinely taken for granted
- 08:05or forgotten, and people spend
- 08:06all this time making these
- 08:08beautiful slides
- 08:10that just don't serve the
- 08:12purpose
- 08:13because they forget that they
- 08:15they are the
- 08:16the tool. They are
- 08:18they are the presentation. They
- 08:20are the show. They are
- 08:21the main event. You are
- 08:22the main event.
- 08:26What about pacing?
- 08:28Oftentimes, you're in a a
- 08:30PowerPoint presentation.
- 08:35Linda, could you help me
- 08:36mute muting?
- 08:38Oh, yeah.
- 08:41What what about pacing?
- 08:43When you
- 08:46again, in these nightmare scenario
- 08:47PowerPoints in your mind, I'm
- 08:49sure that you can recall
- 08:50PowerPoints that were so dreadfully
- 08:53slow
- 08:54or more commonly,
- 08:56dreadfully fast
- 08:58that your brain starts spinning.
- 08:59You can't
- 09:01you just can't follow as
- 09:02much.
- 09:03So the simple way of
- 09:04thinking about this is that,
- 09:07you must go at brain
- 09:08speed.
- 09:09And this is the learner's
- 09:11brain, not yours. You know
- 09:13the material,
- 09:14not the computers. It has
- 09:15plenty of, CPUs or whatever,
- 09:18but your learners.
- 09:19You you need to,
- 09:21be thinking of where they
- 09:23are at and move at
- 09:24their speed.
- 09:29One way of thinking about
- 09:30it very simply is to
- 09:31move at storytelling speed.
- 09:34You're telling a story after
- 09:35all. It may be a
- 09:36scientific story.
- 09:38It may have,
- 09:39you know, complex terms.
- 09:41But the more that you
- 09:42tell it as a story
- 09:43and you embed your passion
- 09:45and your interest in it,
- 09:47the better it's gonna go.
- 09:51And I think that the
- 09:52compliment of that point is
- 09:54that sometimes
- 09:55presenters it it when you're
- 09:57hearing one of these, difficult
- 09:58presentations,
- 09:59it almost feels like a
- 10:00chore.
- 10:01Like, these presenters have the
- 10:03chore of presenting a PowerPoint
- 10:06because thou shall present PowerPoint
- 10:08at a talk.
- 10:10And they're suffering and they're
- 10:11miserable at it.
- 10:12If you approach it differently
- 10:14in this story telling way,
- 10:17I think that you'll you'll
- 10:18be surprised how much better
- 10:20your talks become.
- 10:23We want PowerPoint to complement,
- 10:27not to compete with the
- 10:28content.
- 10:30And oftentimes, there's this fight
- 10:32that you see between the
- 10:33two,
- 10:34and and people come to
- 10:36think of PowerPoint
- 10:37as some kind of a
- 10:38teleprompter where they need to
- 10:40read every single word and
- 10:42go through everything.
- 10:43It isn't a teleprompter.
- 10:50Whatever you are saying or
- 10:52putting on audio or video,
- 10:54anything that is auditory,
- 10:55must be synchronized
- 10:57with what you are seeing.
- 10:59And auditory information in PowerPoint
- 11:01is incredibly good and important
- 11:03if you do it well,
- 11:05But they need to be
- 11:05synchronized,
- 11:07and you need to avoid
- 11:08sensory overload with which drives
- 11:10people crazy.
- 11:11And that's why many of
- 11:13us have an allergy to
- 11:14PowerPoint
- 11:15or or the well known
- 11:17neuropharmacological
- 11:19condition called
- 11:20PowerPoint Algia.
- 11:21When you see a PowerPoint
- 11:23and in the back of
- 11:24your brain just starts hurting
- 11:25and your head starts spinning
- 11:26and it's terrible.
- 11:29Again, avoiding
- 11:30overload of what you present.
- 11:35I'm gonna use,
- 11:36a couple of examples from
- 11:37my own work
- 11:39to
- 11:40show to exemplify, hopefully, in
- 11:43a useful way
- 11:45ways of the
- 11:52overdoing it with slides,
- 11:54way of making information more
- 11:56digestible.
- 11:58So the first example is
- 11:59gonna be a qualitative example,
- 12:01and the second example is
- 12:02gonna be a quantitative example.
- 12:05So
- 12:06qualitative, which is what I'm
- 12:07gonna show you here,
- 12:09is from a study we
- 12:10did about physicians
- 12:12sharing their lived experiences,
- 12:15specifically with mental illness,
- 12:17sharing that with medical students,
- 12:20and seeing how it improved
- 12:22health attitudes and stigma around
- 12:25mental illness.
- 12:26I'm not going to go
- 12:27into the whole study.
- 12:28But once again, as a
- 12:31qualitative study, we have a
- 12:32lot of quotes, you know,
- 12:34really yummy quotes. So how
- 12:36do you present a lot
- 12:37of text?
- 12:38In this case, qualitative, but
- 12:39it may be any number
- 12:40of things. How do you
- 12:41present a lot of
- 12:42densely packed,
- 12:44information? And I'm gonna give
- 12:45you three quick examples.
- 12:48So let's see example one.
- 12:54It whoops. This is one
- 12:55of the themes that we
- 12:57came up with, unexpected vulnerability.
- 13:00And let me read it.
- 13:02I was diagnosed with depression,
- 13:04takes guts to talk about.
- 13:07It makes you wonder about
- 13:08what our hang ups still
- 13:10are about the power dynamics
- 13:12and stigma
- 13:13of labeling people with certain
- 13:15diagnoses,
- 13:16especially when it comes to
- 13:18the mental health world.
- 13:25I'll I'll I'll comment in
- 13:26on these three in in
- 13:28in a second.
- 13:31The next example
- 13:33is this,
- 13:35an armored
- 13:36an armored mutuality.
- 13:39And what we meant by
- 13:41this term,
- 13:43the mutuality, I think, is
- 13:44easy to understand. We're in
- 13:46a relationship between we, the
- 13:48faculty,
- 13:49and they, the students, for
- 13:50example, and we're being mutually
- 13:53mutual in our sharing.
- 13:55And we're unarmored
- 13:57because we approach it in
- 13:58a way that is legitimate.
- 14:00We're not concerned about how
- 14:01we or they will be
- 14:02perceived.
- 14:03That's a concept of an
- 14:05armored mutuality.
- 14:07And we have a quote
- 14:08here.
- 14:10Their willingness to share these
- 14:12intimate details about their lives
- 14:13with us.
- 14:15It made me feel like
- 14:16they were both trusting me
- 14:17and putting me on the
- 14:18same level,
- 14:20And it made me want
- 14:21to listen to what they
- 14:22had to say
- 14:23because they were so willing
- 14:25to share.
- 14:27This is the student I
- 14:28should have mentioned.
- 14:32Putting me on the same
- 14:33level.
- 14:34And the third and final
- 14:35example is this,
- 14:40and this is,
- 14:42physicians talking now, not students.
- 14:46Healer, reveal thyself.
- 14:49In being with our patients,
- 14:50how many of us share
- 14:52our fallibility,
- 14:53our vulnerability,
- 14:56our imperfection?
- 14:58Went to the point. How
- 14:59many of us share our
- 15:01experiences being on their side
- 15:03of the aisle?
- 15:04Not nearly enough of us.
- 15:06We have been too caught
- 15:07up in a maladapted search
- 15:09for perfectionism
- 15:10and infallibility.
- 15:12The quest that has zapped
- 15:14zapped the joy out of
- 15:15the calling for so many,
- 15:17not to mention snuffed the
- 15:19life of a disproportionate number
- 15:20of physicians
- 15:21who have died by suicide.
- 15:26Okay.
- 15:28Pause.
- 15:29And I don't mean to
- 15:30share this as a downer.
- 15:32It's just to give the
- 15:33examples. If you noticed,
- 15:36in the first example, I
- 15:38put the title and the
- 15:39content all at once.
- 15:41In the second one, I
- 15:42separated the title or concept
- 15:45one from the actual
- 15:47quote.
- 15:48And in example three, I
- 15:50use this completely black
- 15:52background slide.
- 15:54Now it's not that one
- 15:56is better than the other,
- 15:58but these are options that
- 15:59usually you don't see
- 16:01that are very powerful.
- 16:03Because first of all, when
- 16:05you are able to read
- 16:06something
- 16:07at a normal speed and
- 16:09show the words,
- 16:11that is very different from
- 16:12putting a whole lot of
- 16:13words that people are trying
- 16:14to read and then you're
- 16:15trying to catch up with.
- 16:17I personally really like the
- 16:19black screen approach because there's
- 16:21no competing with anything,
- 16:23and all the attention is
- 16:24on you.
- 16:26And the other thing is,
- 16:27you know, the speed at
- 16:28which you you go. So
- 16:30this is
- 16:32one series of examples of
- 16:34how to present big chunks
- 16:35of data and that you
- 16:37don't need to do it
- 16:38in microscopic font and that
- 16:39you don't need to do
- 16:40three slides to one concept.
- 16:42You don't need images. In
- 16:43fact, if there was an
- 16:44image, it would be distracting.
- 16:47It's minimizing it, making it
- 16:49simple.
- 16:53Now
- 16:53along the lines of
- 16:55sharing and what it is
- 16:56that you share with your
- 16:58audience,
- 16:59I'd like to think as
- 17:01there being two different kind
- 17:03of PowerPoints.
- 17:04There is your PowerPoint
- 17:07and the learner's PowerPoint.
- 17:10Because PowerPoint
- 17:11is actually very good to
- 17:13organize,
- 17:14and as an outlining tool,
- 17:16but that doesn't mean that
- 17:17you need to torture your
- 17:19audience sharing all of that.
- 17:23So for example,
- 17:25this is a very bad
- 17:27slide.
- 17:28As you can see, it
- 17:29has way too many words,
- 17:31way too many facts. You
- 17:32you can't make any sense
- 17:34of it.
- 17:36To their credit,
- 17:38they did this as part
- 17:39of the outline
- 17:40in PowerPoint. So all of
- 17:42the slide is slide number
- 17:43seven, which is just as
- 17:45awful.
- 17:46But imagine having to sit
- 17:48through this,
- 17:50and having to see
- 17:52all of these data,
- 17:55a much better way would
- 17:56be to put a map
- 17:57of the US with those
- 17:59states highlighted
- 18:01or of the world and
- 18:02those countries highlighted and no
- 18:04words. And you don't need
- 18:05to go one by one.
- 18:07It is
- 18:08there. But the point is
- 18:09that that could be what
- 18:10you show them,
- 18:12and this can be your
- 18:13thing. You know? Keep all
- 18:14the details in in case
- 18:16you have someone in the
- 18:17audience who wants to know
- 18:18whether, I don't know, whether
- 18:19New Zealand was involved or
- 18:21whatever. But ninety nine percent
- 18:22of the time, you're not
- 18:23gonna need this granular information.
- 18:26So this is one bad
- 18:27example of of that. I'll
- 18:29give you a better example
- 18:30in a minute.
- 18:35So let's move on to
- 18:37the designing of, PowerPoint, and
- 18:40these are the six
- 18:43subsections that I have found,
- 18:45helpful.
- 18:47So let's start with revealing.
- 18:49What do I mean by
- 18:50that? Revealing and transitioning.
- 18:52So
- 18:54whoops. Sorry.
- 18:55Sorry.
- 18:57The idea is,
- 18:59that you wanna gradually layer
- 19:01information.
- 19:02It goes along the lines
- 19:03of this,
- 19:05storytelling.
- 19:07And like a good storyteller,
- 19:08you don't tell the ending
- 19:10at the beginning.
- 19:11You build up
- 19:13even some
- 19:15tension
- 19:16that will keep people interested.
- 19:19So
- 19:21in doing this, you can
- 19:23prevent visual overload. I think
- 19:25that you already see my
- 19:26concerns with that.
- 19:28It definitely leads to better
- 19:29understanding
- 19:30and retention,
- 19:32and it can create this
- 19:34dramatic tension. There's a lot
- 19:35of drama in science that
- 19:37we can,
- 19:39communicate.
- 19:41By the way, in some
- 19:42of these slides of this
- 19:44style that I've been layering
- 19:46the PowerPoint and doing this,
- 19:49I'm trying also to exemplify
- 19:51that how
- 19:52you can
- 19:53little you know, morsel by
- 19:55morsel, it's much easier to
- 19:57follow the content.
- 20:02So
- 20:03in in in terms
- 20:05of layering and not showing
- 20:06it all at once, let
- 20:07me show you this different
- 20:09study. This is a quantitative
- 20:11study
- 20:13in which we use videotapes,
- 20:15short videos
- 20:17about a minute long
- 20:19of
- 20:20different
- 20:21actors,
- 20:22black and white adolescents,
- 20:25talking about their depression.
- 20:27And we use these videos
- 20:29in very large sample sizes,
- 20:33two thousand or so individuals,
- 20:34and we found how people
- 20:36felt. So again,
- 20:38that's not the focus here.
- 20:39The focus is how do
- 20:40you present the information?
- 20:44So this slide
- 20:45is,
- 20:46essentially,
- 20:48taken from the paper.
- 20:50And as you look at
- 20:51it
- 20:53and you listen to me
- 20:55and you try to make
- 20:55sense of it
- 20:57and you look at the
- 20:58asterisks
- 20:59and the groups and the
- 21:00subgroups,
- 21:02either you're really, really smart
- 21:05or you're losing me or
- 21:07losing the slide.
- 21:09You cannot do both. You
- 21:10cannot do both well. Just
- 21:12too much visual information.
- 21:15Now
- 21:16this worked fine in the
- 21:17paper, and when you read
- 21:18it on a paper, it
- 21:19works fine.
- 21:21But a paper is not
- 21:23a PowerPoint presentation.
- 21:26So how could you break
- 21:27this down,
- 21:28this kind of, information?
- 21:31So
- 21:33one way of doing it
- 21:34is starting very simple again.
- 21:37I'm gonna
- 21:38show you the response
- 21:40of
- 21:41participants,
- 21:42some of whom were white,
- 21:43some of whom were
- 21:45black.
- 21:46And in this first outcome,
- 21:48we're gonna look at how
- 21:50much stigma they felt around
- 21:52depression.
- 21:54You will see two colors.
- 21:56You're gonna see this tan
- 21:58color, which is the response
- 22:01to videos of depression, regular
- 22:03depression.
- 22:04And you will also see
- 22:05these videos in the red
- 22:07of what we call depression
- 22:09adjusted
- 22:10in which black actors
- 22:13were
- 22:14incorporating
- 22:15elements that
- 22:18were unique to black depression.
- 22:20And we knew this because
- 22:22of focus groups that we
- 22:23have done with black,
- 22:26non actors, with black women.
- 22:29So so this is what
- 22:30we're gonna see. So let's
- 22:31see. For first time,
- 22:33among black participants,
- 22:35we see that they all
- 22:37have
- 22:38above zero.
- 22:40They have some stigma,
- 22:42And it appears as if
- 22:44they have more,
- 22:48they they
- 22:49they are having more stigma
- 22:51to the adjusted video.
- 22:54However, there doesn't appear to
- 22:56be a difference between the
- 22:57groups.
- 22:58And we know that because
- 22:59when we compare to white
- 23:01to non black participants,
- 23:03they also all have,
- 23:07increased in stigma
- 23:10scores. But now we see
- 23:12that
- 23:13seeing the videos of the
- 23:14these adjusted videos really did
- 23:16lead to more
- 23:19stigma.
- 23:20We could go on, but
- 23:21I think that you get
- 23:22the the idea.
- 23:24Similarly, I could walk,
- 23:26for the sake of time,
- 23:27I won't go into detail,
- 23:28but something very similar on
- 23:30our second outcome. We didn't
- 23:32see much difference in the
- 23:33first one,
- 23:36and we did see some
- 23:38difference in the second outcome,
- 23:41etcetera.
- 23:42So
- 23:44the the point here
- 23:45is that layering information and
- 23:47presenting it in a
- 23:49piecemeal way
- 23:51gives you the ability to
- 23:53present complex information
- 23:55in a way that
- 23:57makes sense.
- 24:00Now
- 24:01from a technical point of
- 24:02view, how do you do
- 24:03this?
- 24:04Well, I did I included
- 24:06these as black boxes.
- 24:09You would do it with
- 24:10a with a white box,
- 24:11but I did it for
- 24:12illustration with a black box
- 24:14such that I am layering
- 24:16the entry of this image.
- 24:20And then I'm I'm gonna
- 24:20take out that black box
- 24:23to show that.
- 24:27Again, in the original slides
- 24:28that I showed you, the
- 24:30the box was white
- 24:32so that,
- 24:33it would blend with the
- 24:35background.
- 24:37Similarly here, I would then
- 24:39in in include insert
- 24:41the second outcome.
- 24:44And by taking the black
- 24:45the white box out, it
- 24:47can appear.
- 24:48So that's just the slightest,
- 24:51slight of hand, if you
- 24:52will, in the background.
- 24:56Another example,
- 24:58this is a story, a
- 24:59study about perceptions
- 25:02of children on wheelchairs and
- 25:04other disabilities.
- 25:06And this is the before,
- 25:09set of perceptions, challenging,
- 25:11disability, difficult, different.
- 25:13These were the, you know,
- 25:15the negative words that struck
- 25:16out the most.
- 25:19After an intervention that we
- 25:21did, you see that there
- 25:22was a big change for
- 25:23the better, and we see
- 25:24these positive words.
- 25:26I show you this because
- 25:28if you if I were
- 25:29to show you what you're
- 25:29seeing right now,
- 25:31all of these words,
- 25:33it once again would make
- 25:34a lot of
- 25:36difficulty trying to make sense
- 25:37of it. You know? What's
- 25:38blue? What's red? What's pre?
- 25:40What's post?
- 25:41So by breaking it up,
- 25:42you are going at your
- 25:44learner's
- 25:45speed.
- 25:46So, hopefully, those examples
- 25:48ring true.
- 25:51I had told you that
- 25:51if you forget everything, don't
- 25:53forget
- 25:55that you are the presentation
- 25:57and PowerPoint is your tool.
- 25:59The other thing that I
- 26:00would ask you never to
- 26:01forget because this is the
- 26:02most helpful thing I've ever
- 26:03heard learned in
- 26:06PowerPoint
- 26:07is the role of the
- 26:08b and the w keys.
- 26:10So this this only happens
- 26:11when you're in
- 26:13presenter view mode, which is
- 26:15what I am on right
- 26:16now. And I'm gonna press
- 26:18the b key, and that's
- 26:19what happens.
- 26:21Gonna press it again.
- 26:22I'm gonna press the w
- 26:24key.
- 26:25That's what happens.
- 26:26So the w as in
- 26:28white is not quite as
- 26:29useful as the b as
- 26:30in black because you're giving
- 26:32a talk,
- 26:34and
- 26:35you now wanna make contact
- 26:37with your
- 26:39group.
- 26:40You wanna really make eye
- 26:42contact, which, yes, you can
- 26:43do even on Zoom.
- 26:45And by doing this,
- 26:47they are not distracted by
- 26:48other things.
- 26:50So the the the,
- 26:52the b key is
- 26:53really your friend, and, I
- 26:55hope you'll use
- 26:57it.
- 27:01Formatting,
- 27:02a couple of nitty gritty
- 27:03things.
- 27:05You may or may not
- 27:06have noticed that,
- 27:08PowerPoint has been trending into
- 27:10this white screen format, the
- 27:12one above,
- 27:14rather than the more square
- 27:16one below, which was for
- 27:17thirty five millimeter slides.
- 27:20And I still see it
- 27:21very often, even among super
- 27:23sophisticated medical students, that they
- 27:25use a format below.
- 27:26So, before you start anything,
- 27:28it's much easier to do
- 27:29in the beginning. Just change
- 27:30your format to widescreen.
- 27:33And the reason for it
- 27:34and why it is so
- 27:35good is that it uses
- 27:36the entirety of your screen,
- 27:38whether on a computer or
- 27:39when you're presenting.
- 27:41Otherwise, you leave some good
- 27:44real estate
- 27:45on the ground. So use
- 27:46the wide screen format. Very
- 27:48easy to do.
- 27:52If you're gonna use a
- 27:53template, that's great.
- 27:55The one below is the
- 27:56one that I'm using now.
- 27:57The one above is from
- 27:58ELCME. You know, you can
- 27:59always use your preferred
- 28:02template.
- 28:03But
- 28:04a couple of things about
- 28:05templates, the biggest thing about
- 28:07templates is blocking the background.
- 28:10I don't have an example
- 28:11here, but I'm sure that
- 28:13you will have seen
- 28:15slides in which, I don't
- 28:16know, some histogram
- 28:18is competing
- 28:19with the background.
- 28:21And then it just makes
- 28:22it ugly and difficult to
- 28:24understand. And,
- 28:26I I think that having
- 28:27a completely blocked background
- 28:29is a very good default.
- 28:32You click right click and
- 28:34it'll
- 28:35say something about background and
- 28:36you can just say omit
- 28:38or discard or something background.
- 28:41But it it's a simple
- 28:42thing that makes,
- 28:44a small but significant difference.
- 28:48When you're choosing fonts,
- 28:52please don't use serif fonts.
- 28:55Don't use Times New Roman
- 28:57or Garamond. And and if
- 28:58you don't remember what a
- 28:59font
- 29:00a serif is
- 29:02font.
- 29:03Yes. Serif.
- 29:06A font is
- 29:11second. Whoops.
- 29:14Okay. These
- 29:17sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Okay.
- 29:19These little thingies at the
- 29:22bottom of the letters, those
- 29:23are the serifs.
- 29:24And serifs are very helpful
- 29:26when you're reading text in
- 29:27a book
- 29:28because your eye follows them
- 29:30very easily.
- 29:32However, they are terrible when
- 29:33it comes to PowerPoint or
- 29:35to posters.
- 29:36Absolutely terrible.
- 29:38So
- 29:39you wanna use any number
- 29:40of cents without serifs. So
- 29:43these are some of the
- 29:43more common ones.
- 29:48We all use,
- 29:50images, or we should all
- 29:51be using images
- 29:54in PowerPoint and in posters.
- 29:57But it's key to get
- 29:59images that have the right
- 30:00resolution. This is an extreme
- 30:02example of President Obama,
- 30:05but you will see
- 30:07less extreme examples all the
- 30:08time where it really looks
- 30:09pixelated
- 30:10and ugly, and it kinda
- 30:12scratches your eyeball.
- 30:13So get images that are
- 30:15high resolution.
- 30:17When I wanna get something
- 30:18from
- 30:19online, I would ask you
- 30:21know, president Obama,
- 30:23high resolution image,
- 30:24and then you can get,
- 30:26you know, really high resolution
- 30:27images.
- 30:34One of the things that
- 30:35can be criticized about
- 30:37PowerPoint
- 30:38is that it can rely
- 30:40or over rely on lists
- 30:42and bullet lists.
- 30:44So be judicious
- 30:46about those.
- 30:47I think I hope that
- 30:48I have been because I've
- 30:50used some of them here.
- 30:52And and one of the
- 30:54list that is very helpful
- 30:55to use is a table
- 30:56of contents with periodic reminders.
- 31:00I gave you in the
- 31:01beginning
- 31:03the thirty thousand foot view
- 31:04of where I was going,
- 31:05and I've been reminding you
- 31:06periodically, and I'll do one
- 31:08more reminder in case you
- 31:09forgot.
- 31:11And and this is consistent
- 31:12with good pedagogy of tell
- 31:14them what you'll do.
- 31:16Tell them the it that
- 31:18you're doing,
- 31:19and remind them, what is
- 31:21it that you did.
- 31:26Embedding goodies
- 31:28into PowerPoint is fantastic. And
- 31:30in in fact, it's so
- 31:31fantastic that the next session
- 31:32I teach will be all
- 31:34about
- 31:35embedding
- 31:36goodies such as graphics, videos,
- 31:38polls, all sorts of things
- 31:40into PowerPoint.
- 31:42And,
- 31:43so again, be on the
- 31:44lookout for that
- 31:45second session.
- 31:47But I do have an
- 31:48example
- 31:49to give you an idea.
- 31:51I could have
- 31:53a next series of slides
- 31:58telling you the subject matter
- 31:59that you're gonna be learning
- 32:00about in the next minute
- 32:01and a half
- 32:02and the pros and the
- 32:03cons of the literature and
- 32:04the citation and the this
- 32:05and the this and the
- 32:06the and you, of course,
- 32:07will forget it. You know,
- 32:08like you will forget everything.
- 32:11But I bet that you
- 32:12won't forget what you're about
- 32:13to see
- 32:15because it's a different way
- 32:16of experiencing
- 32:18PowerPoint and experiencing
- 32:20what it is that you're
- 32:20suing, and it's disarming because
- 32:22it's not common. So let's
- 32:24look at it. It's,
- 32:25it's a minute and a
- 32:27half, and I realized that
- 32:28I need to,
- 32:29step out and step in
- 32:31for a second.
- 32:33Hold on.
- 32:35Stop share.
- 32:38Oh, by the way, this
- 32:39is a very important point
- 32:40about PowerPoint. Why did I
- 32:41do that?
- 32:43Because when you share
- 32:46share share share,
- 32:49there's a button
- 32:53that says
- 32:56oh, here it is. It
- 32:57says,
- 32:58share sound, which I just
- 33:00clicked,
- 33:01and another one that says
- 33:03optimize for video clip that
- 33:04I did not clip.
- 33:06The reason to do that
- 33:07is that if I hadn't,
- 33:10the video that you're about
- 33:11to see
- 33:13would have been
- 33:16second.
- 33:18Would have been either pixelated
- 33:20or the sound would have
- 33:21been weird.
- 33:22So always, put the the
- 33:24audio. Okay. So now you're
- 33:25gonna see a not pixelated
- 33:27good form. Let's see this
- 33:28minute and a half video.
- 34:41So
- 34:42the
- 34:43point of showing this video
- 34:44is
- 34:45exemplifying
- 34:47what happens when you approach
- 34:49a topic and particularly your
- 34:50audience through a completely different
- 34:52way.
- 34:53This is not what typically
- 34:55people
- 34:55expect.
- 34:58So, Egan, the the judicious
- 35:00use
- 35:01of audio
- 35:02video can be
- 35:03really,
- 35:04quite,
- 35:05dramatic and changing.
- 35:10No? Okay. Okay.
- 35:14General consideration about timing.
- 35:17You should think
- 35:18about one minute per slide
- 35:20on average.
- 35:21You don't wanna linger too
- 35:23much in any one slide,
- 35:24and it also gives you
- 35:25a good sense of what
- 35:26you have in mind for
- 35:28a
- 35:32talk. If you try to
- 35:33do
- 35:35too many more than this,
- 35:36it can get complicated unless
- 35:37they're very simple slides that
- 35:39build onto one another, and
- 35:41you don't wanna linger
- 35:42on any one given slide.
- 35:46So this is a table
- 35:48of content, and this is
- 35:49what we've covered and what
- 35:50remains to cover.
- 35:52So, hopefully,
- 35:54this has
- 35:58you you'll remember some of
- 35:59this and put some of
- 36:00this to to practice.
- 36:03So now that you've
- 36:05thought of how you're gonna
- 36:05engage your crowd,
- 36:07now that you've prepared your
- 36:08slide and spent so much
- 36:09time doing it, how do
- 36:10you deliver it?
- 36:12And
- 36:13two points here. So the
- 36:15first one is about practicing.
- 36:18Remember that awful slide that
- 36:20I I showed you,
- 36:23about use of your PowerPoint
- 36:25and their PowerPoint?
- 36:27Well, it turns out that
- 36:29all of you on PowerPoint
- 36:30have this slide sorter. Oops.
- 36:33Hold on. Okay. Have this
- 36:35slide sorter,
- 36:37set of slides
- 36:38down here
- 36:39so that you can quickly
- 36:41move forward and back
- 36:43between slides. I am doing
- 36:44it now, and I can
- 36:46see exactly
- 36:47how many slides I have.
- 36:52So
- 36:54the the other thing is
- 36:56that let's say that I'm
- 36:56talking here at this slide,
- 36:59and I have one minute
- 37:00to go.
- 37:02There there's no way that
- 37:03I can oh, sorry.
- 37:09I'm here, and I have
- 37:10one minute to go.
- 37:11There's no way that I
- 37:12can tell all of this
- 37:13story in one minute.
- 37:15But what I can do
- 37:16is that I can go
- 37:17and click here on slide
- 37:19twenty nine,
- 37:20and slide twenty nine will
- 37:21be here rather than having
- 37:22to go through all the
- 37:24slides in between.
- 37:26Very, very helpful. So this
- 37:27is a presenter view.
- 37:30I would just say that
- 37:32one thing that is not
- 37:33fully straightforward is using presenter
- 37:35view in Zoom.
- 37:36So if you're gonna
- 37:38you do that,
- 37:40I think you need
- 37:41to try it beforehand.
- 37:44But that's one way of
- 37:46synthesizing information and using your
- 37:49information,
- 37:51as a table of contents,
- 37:52if you will, and being
- 37:53able to flip back and
- 37:54forth.
- 38:02There's
- 38:04a couple of very practical
- 38:05things.
- 38:07So,
- 38:09we talked about timing.
- 38:12I started mentioning some of
- 38:13the differences between using a
- 38:14projector and a Zoom
- 38:16and do doing things on
- 38:17Zoom.
- 38:18But in Zoom, it's
- 38:20it it it it largely
- 38:22is better.
- 38:24It definitely is better, but
- 38:25there are a couple of
- 38:26things that you can't quite
- 38:27do and especially things that
- 38:29might have to do with
- 38:30two monitors,
- 38:33or seeing one thing for
- 38:35you and one thing for
- 38:36your crowd. It is doable,
- 38:38but it's it is complicated.
- 38:40It's much easier,
- 38:41in traditional AV.
- 38:43And that leads to this
- 38:44old school recommendation that there's
- 38:46nothing wrong in bringing
- 38:49good good old paper backup.
- 38:52When I was reading
- 38:54with the black screen,
- 38:57a few minutes before,
- 38:59I couldn't
- 39:00see the text in my
- 39:02screen.
- 39:03So what did I do?
- 39:05You know, just very
- 39:07old fashioned paper.
- 39:09So whenever I have stuff
- 39:10that I want to read
- 39:11or hit on, it it's
- 39:12very good to have it,
- 39:14to have it there.
- 39:17Not forgetting,
- 39:19a dongle.
- 39:21And if you don't know
- 39:22what a dongle is, I'll
- 39:22show you in a second.
- 39:25Here, it's different. In Zoom,
- 39:27you don't need a dongle.
- 39:28You just present, and that's
- 39:29great. But if you go
- 39:31to a presentation
- 39:32somewhere,
- 39:33it's important to have a
- 39:34dongle that fits your computer
- 39:36because there's nothing worse than
- 39:37getting there and not being
- 39:38able to,
- 39:40present.
- 39:41And this last thing that
- 39:42I learned from my work
- 39:44with actors, I I love
- 39:46it, this motto of actors,
- 39:47which is to arrive early
- 39:50is to arrive on time.
- 39:52To arrive on time
- 39:54is to be late,
- 39:55and to be late is
- 39:56unacceptable.
- 39:58So
- 40:01prevent yourself the heartache of
- 40:03getting to a presentation
- 40:05and not be able to
- 40:06connect or the electricity is
- 40:08gone or the dog ate
- 40:09it.
- 40:13So these are different examples
- 40:15of, of dongles.
- 40:17This is the kind that
- 40:18I have that accommodates
- 40:20anything and everything.
- 40:22But, again, work with whatever
- 40:24is your
- 40:26your standard.
- 40:27The most common standard these
- 40:28days is,
- 40:30this kind of HDMI,
- 40:31and something that is really,
- 40:33really nice about it is
- 40:35that it incorporates sound as
- 40:37well. So you don't need
- 40:38to have a separate
- 40:39thingy for for sound.
- 40:49Face the audience,
- 40:51not the slides.
- 40:54This is a
- 40:55semi egregious example. I have
- 40:57seen more egregious
- 40:58of people simply turning around
- 41:00and looking at the slides.
- 41:05No matter how good your
- 41:06talk is, if you are
- 41:08not looking at the crowd,
- 41:12you know, it it's not
- 41:13gonna work.
- 41:14And, and and this feels,
- 41:17I don't know,
- 41:18anywhere from disrespectful
- 41:20to weird
- 41:23to very strange. So always
- 41:25look at the audience. If
- 41:26you're in Zoom like I
- 41:27am now,
- 41:29it's good to make eye
- 41:30contact one in once in
- 41:31a while. You don't wanna
- 41:32be, you know, freakishly looking
- 41:34at the eyeballs all the
- 41:35time, but you wanna be
- 41:37aware of who's on the
- 41:38other side.
- 41:42So,
- 41:43couple of executive summary points.
- 41:46Oh,
- 41:48I guess that I hit
- 41:49on my executive
- 41:51summary. So just to give
- 41:52you an example, I had
- 41:53forty seven slides,
- 41:56and we are at forty
- 41:57three minutes. So that's
- 41:59pretty much what I wanted
- 42:01to to do.
- 42:04There's only one more slide,
- 42:05which is telling you
- 42:06what's coming up in the
- 42:07series.
- 42:08And we would really appreciate
- 42:10if you took a moment
- 42:11now
- 42:13to take this QR code
- 42:15or,
- 42:17Linda, if you could put
- 42:18the
- 42:19the URL in the chat
- 42:22so that we can,
- 42:27do this evaluation that we
- 42:29really, really, really,
- 42:31find important. And then, I'm
- 42:33really happy to see we're
- 42:34gonna have some some time
- 42:36for
- 42:37for questions of which, hopefully,
- 42:38there will be
- 42:40several or many.
- 42:56Andres, did you wanna take
- 42:58questions now or just quickly
- 42:59show the upcoming slides while
- 43:01we Yeah. Yeah. Let's just
- 43:02give, you know, thirty seconds
- 43:03to Yeah. Thirty more seconds.
- 43:04In? Yeah. There we go.
- 43:07Yeah. So these are the
- 43:08upcoming,
- 43:09talks in the in the
- 43:11series.
- 43:12And as you see, we
- 43:13have,
- 43:15yoked them to the different,
- 43:17milestones.
- 43:18So Bill Rando, who I
- 43:20saw is here, hello, Bill,
- 43:21will be,
- 43:24our next speaker, cohosted by
- 43:26General Internal Medicine.
- 43:29And
- 43:31yeah.
- 43:34Thank you. I I'm gonna
- 43:36just kick it off with
- 43:37a question that,
- 43:38Anita,
- 43:39I think, let me go
- 43:40back, had asked. And either
- 43:42you can answer it or
- 43:43Bill, if he's still with
- 43:44us, because it it kind
- 43:46of squarely gets at, why
- 43:48there may be quite a
- 43:49few people here who do
- 43:50teach in the pre clerkship
- 43:51curriculum, for example,
- 43:53which has to do with
- 43:54whether or not there's data
- 43:55that PowerPoint teaching is not
- 43:57reaching our students with regards
- 43:58to their preferences
- 44:00or teaching to learning efficiency.
- 44:05Andres, you wanna take a
- 44:06stab at that? And then
- 44:07Yeah. I can give you
- 44:08my,
- 44:09nonevidence based response, and I'm
- 44:11sure that, Bill can
- 44:13take it take it away.
- 44:14I I think that,
- 44:16you know, so many of
- 44:17students who I speak with
- 44:19are are really just sick
- 44:20of it
- 44:21and and find it,
- 44:25I don't know, very nineteen
- 44:27eighties and and very hierarchical.
- 44:31And,
- 44:32I say and you do.
- 44:34And then when you add
- 44:35that to bad use of
- 44:37PowerPoint,
- 44:38it it it just becomes
- 44:40an explosive
- 44:41cocktail. And in some sense,
- 44:43I think as soon as
- 44:43they see a PowerPoint, they
- 44:44kinda fall asleep or whatever.
- 44:47I
- 44:48as you could tell from
- 44:50my talk, I'm a I'm
- 44:51a fan of PowerPoint used
- 44:53well. I think that there's
- 44:54a role for it,
- 44:56but most of the times,
- 44:57I think it's not.
- 44:59So my data comes just
- 45:00anecdotally from students. But, Bill.
- 45:05Hi, everyone.
- 45:07Good to be here. Thank
- 45:08you, Andreas. That was wonderful.
- 45:12The
- 45:15the the data, frankly, on
- 45:17PowerPoint has, as most things
- 45:19like this, has been mixed.
- 45:22Obviously, PowerPoint
- 45:24allows
- 45:25us teachers to do things
- 45:27we couldn't do before around
- 45:29visualization.
- 45:30Amazing.
- 45:32For people,
- 45:33has kept the instructors on
- 45:36track, which is greatly appreciated.
- 45:38But I think,
- 45:41as a mode, as Andres
- 45:43mentioned, it has become,
- 45:45soporific.
- 45:47The PowerPoints go up,
- 45:49and people begin to shut
- 45:51down. And and, again, my
- 45:53anecdotal working with teachers to,
- 45:56restate what Andres said,
- 45:58people forget
- 45:59that people come to see
- 46:01a teacher, to see a
- 46:02person,
- 46:03to make a connection,
- 46:04not to watch a screen.
- 46:07That's just so that that's
- 46:09my two cents.
- 46:12Yeah.
- 46:14Thank you. And I am
- 46:15I see a hand up.
- 46:16I wanna pronounce your name
- 46:18correctly. What's Bonnie?
- 46:20Yeah. Yeah. That's fine. That's
- 46:21fine. So Hi. Hi, and
- 46:23hi, Andres.
- 46:24I have a question regarding
- 46:25the color scheme.
- 46:27So, I mean, is there
- 46:28any anything that we should
- 46:29be thinking about the kind
- 46:30of colors that we are
- 46:31choosing, especially, you know, in
- 46:34context of,
- 46:36you know, certain kind of
- 46:37as just nice, like the
- 46:38color blindness or any other
- 46:39kind of psychological,
- 46:41issues
- 46:42and any social context that
- 46:43we have to be aware
- 46:44of what kind of colors
- 46:45and how many colors we
- 46:46can use in a per
- 46:47slide, is it, like, should
- 46:48we make it more colorful?
- 46:50What what's your take on
- 46:51that?
- 46:52Yeah. Yeah.
- 46:54Interesting. I'll I'll I'll answer
- 46:55first how many number of
- 46:57colors.
- 46:58I think that going beyond,
- 47:01three colors is really too
- 47:03much.
- 47:05Probably three is
- 47:07it can be handled, especially
- 47:09if they are contrasting one
- 47:10with the other. So that
- 47:12would be my my thought
- 47:13there.
- 47:15Of course, if you put
- 47:15images and photos and all
- 47:17sorts of things, they can
- 47:18really enrich
- 47:20things a lot.
- 47:22Incidentally, if you put a
- 47:23wonderful photograph,
- 47:26a very common mistake is
- 47:27to then put a title
- 47:28and a subtitle and where
- 47:29it was taken from. And,
- 47:30you know, so then you've
- 47:31killed the image with all
- 47:33that crap.
- 47:34So just put the image,
- 47:35fill fill the screen with
- 47:37the image and talk about
- 47:38it. So that would be
- 47:40one. You know, the the
- 47:42issue with
- 47:43color blindness is a very
- 47:44good one. I don't have
- 47:46the best answer here,
- 47:48but I know that there
- 47:49are color templates that are
- 47:51more and less
- 47:53aversive
- 47:53or unviewable.
- 47:54I think that the big
- 47:56no no, if I remember,
- 47:58is blue and yellow, but
- 47:59don't quote me there. But
- 48:01if you look at color
- 48:03scheme,
- 48:04you'll find it right away
- 48:05and, you know, stay away
- 48:06from from from those,
- 48:08colors. And,
- 48:12you know, in terms of
- 48:14are there colors that are
- 48:15offensive or whatever,
- 48:17you know,
- 48:19there's always someone to be
- 48:21offended by something. Right? But
- 48:22I think that if you
- 48:23if you stay if you
- 48:24stick by Yale colors being
- 48:26here, you know, you're good.
- 48:28You know? If Harvard wants
- 48:29to be offended, let them
- 48:30be offended.
- 48:32So
- 48:34Can I can I just
- 48:35add,
- 48:36you know, when we've envisioned
- 48:37these sessions for everybody who's
- 48:39who's on still,
- 48:40ideally, you know, you'd have
- 48:42your PowerPoint
- 48:43like, Andres just did, which
- 48:44gives you the foundations, and
- 48:46then we'd have some sort
- 48:46of application
- 48:48exercise? But that's given we
- 48:50want to make sure that
- 48:51we accommodate a lot of
- 48:52people to be able to
- 48:53hear the fundamentals.
- 48:54We wanna make sure that
- 48:55you do have an opportunity
- 48:56to,
- 48:57to get some feedback because
- 48:58just because you, like, learned
- 49:00it doesn't mean you can
- 49:01do it. So we do
- 49:03want you to feel like
- 49:04you have an opportunity
- 49:05either by signing up for
- 49:07that teaching observation on the
- 49:08Yale Center for Medical Education
- 49:10website
- 49:11or Andres and I, for
- 49:12example, and I know there's
- 49:13a cadre of others. Like,
- 49:14if you wanted to email
- 49:16us a like like a
- 49:17five minute video of you
- 49:19doing your teaching or
- 49:21some of your slides,
- 49:22it can be really useful.
- 49:24I was super guilty before
- 49:25I learned some of these
- 49:26cons content of having PowerPoint,
- 49:29automatic
- 49:30formatting, you know, just have
- 49:31it be very text heavy,
- 49:32and it takes work. It
- 49:34takes work now to take
- 49:35your existing PowerPoints that are,
- 49:36like, all wordy and trying
- 49:38to do the work to
- 49:38come up with a graphic
- 49:39or in some sort of
- 49:40advanced organizer
- 49:41that really advance decreases their
- 49:43mental load and helps them,
- 49:45like Andre has showed with
- 49:47those word clouds
- 49:48or other or graphs or
- 49:50something else that tells the
- 49:51story so that your lane
- 49:53your brain lanes that only
- 49:54have one lane for visual
- 49:55and one lane for words
- 49:57doesn't have all the word
- 49:58lanes clogged by listening to
- 50:00his words and reading the
- 50:01words. You need to have
- 50:03lanes open either with few
- 50:04words or with something that
- 50:06you're looking at that's not
- 50:07words while you're listening to
- 50:08the words. So we are
- 50:09really want to be available
- 50:11for that just to put
- 50:12it as a plug. But,
- 50:14Heather also has a question
- 50:15either for Bill,
- 50:16or others about whether
- 50:18the school, as far as
- 50:19you know, is gonna support
- 50:21the ability maybe get a
- 50:22Mentimeter subscription or something for
- 50:24educators to use for some
- 50:25of these interactive,
- 50:27software platforms.
- 50:30I mean, I'll I'll I
- 50:31I I'm not aware of
- 50:33of any plans.
- 50:35So much right now in
- 50:37the technology
- 50:39area is focused
- 50:41on AI.
- 50:42You know? There's just been
- 50:43this shift.
- 50:46So,
- 50:49but I do think I
- 50:51I
- 50:51seen,
- 50:53many,
- 50:55math and science and engineering
- 50:57instruction
- 50:58use
- 51:00polling and interactive,
- 51:02technologies
- 51:04remarkably
- 51:05well.
- 51:06You know?
- 51:07Not as games or toys,
- 51:09but ways of allowing students
- 51:11to assess their own knowledge
- 51:13and then, you know, that
- 51:15kind of thing.
- 51:16So I I would be
- 51:18very glad to see,
- 51:20more use of those things
- 51:22to increase interactivity
- 51:24in Yale
- 51:25in lectures and make them,
- 51:27learning experiences.
- 51:29Yeah. Thank you. I I
- 51:30wonder,
- 51:31would the next step be
- 51:32for us to go to
- 51:33the librarian? And, you know,
- 51:35in the great scheme of
- 51:36things, I don't think that
- 51:37it's that much.
- 51:40And and, also, I'll be
- 51:41talking about Mentimeter and and,
- 51:43the like the next time.
- 51:45They
- 51:46even the free versions are
- 51:48helpful. I mean, you don't
- 51:49you don't need to have
- 51:50the Rolls Royce for many
- 51:51things.
- 51:57Bonnie, I put in the
- 51:58chat
- 51:59some resources that I just
- 52:00found, pretty helpful, all sorts
- 52:02of tips and tricks
- 52:03about colorblind and templates, etcetera.
- 52:05So
- 52:08Thank you so much.
- 52:10We have time for any
- 52:11other questions that people have?
- 52:19We encourage you to try
- 52:20to be
- 52:21deliberate
- 52:22with your mastery learning and
- 52:23becoming educators and and maybe
- 52:25look at those,
- 52:27milestones
- 52:28and self assess and identify
- 52:30opportunities
- 52:31for you to,
- 52:33fill in your gaps. And
- 52:35and, again, for you to
- 52:36get the feedback of how
- 52:37well you are making progress
- 52:39along those milestones, please reach
- 52:41out
- 52:42to the center for some
- 52:43of the observation and feedback
- 52:45services and other resources.
- 52:47And come to Will Bill
- 52:49Rando's session September
- 52:51twenty.
- 52:55You're muted. I'm counting on
- 52:57you.
- 52:59You're still muted. It's next
- 53:00week. Next week. Next Thursday.
- 53:03Alright. And all the registration
- 53:04information is on the center
- 53:06website,
- 53:08Yale Center for Medical Education.
- 53:09Just Google that if that's
- 53:11not quite the right,
- 53:13URL that I'm saying.
- 53:18Alright. Thanks for everybody for
- 53:20coming.
- 53:21We appreciate it. This will
- 53:22be a great year.
- 53:24Thank you. Thank you, Andres.
- 53:26Thank you.
- 53:29Thanks, Dana.
- 53:37Andreas, are we on a
- 53:38different Zoom
- 53:40for the next meeting? You
- 53:42are. You're on Dana's Zoom.
- 53:43It's in the
- 53:45Okay. In the Outlook invitation.
- 53:47Okay.
- 53:48Zoom.
- 53:49Okay.
- 53:50Thank you. Fabrizio.
- 53:53He's one of the med
- 53:54ed concentration students. Oh, yes.
- 53:56Yeah.
- 53:57Alright. So we'll sign off.
- 53:59I'll see you in a
- 54:00I'll see you in a
- 54:00minute, Andreas. Thanks, everybody. Okay.
- 54:03Bye. Bye.