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1/12 YES!: Less is More: Posters as Academic Points of Contact

January 12, 2024
  • 00:00Just disease internal medicine faculty
  • 00:02meeting and it's being recorded.
  • 00:04Thank you for putting that up there.
  • 00:05We we do have these recorded and on the
  • 00:08Center for Medical Education website
  • 00:10for your your reviewing pleasure.
  • 00:12So I'm one of the faculty that Co directs
  • 00:15the Yes series with Doctor Andres Martin
  • 00:17who you're going to hear from today.
  • 00:20And as you know,
  • 00:22we have sessions for clinical based teaching,
  • 00:25classroom based teaching and Andres
  • 00:28has also added this year's some
  • 00:31professional development that is widely
  • 00:34applicable to many in no matter if
  • 00:36you're a medical student or PA student
  • 00:39or trainee or faculty about being
  • 00:42able to to share your academic work.
  • 00:44Last time he talked with us about abstracts
  • 00:47and today he's going to talk about posters.
  • 00:51So just I'm really excited to be
  • 00:53working with him on this series.
  • 00:54He's a professor in the child study Center
  • 00:56in the Department of Child Psychiatry
  • 00:58and one of the faculty associates in
  • 01:01the Center for Medical Education.
  • 01:03So I am gonna turn it over to you and I
  • 01:05look forward to improving my posters.
  • 01:10Thank you Dana.
  • 01:11It's and it really is such a joy to
  • 01:14be working with, not just with Dana,
  • 01:16but with so many in this Yes series.
  • 01:20And we hope you're getting something
  • 01:21out of it. I see some repeat faces,
  • 01:24which is always really wonderful.
  • 01:26So this is the first time we're going to
  • 01:29be talking in this space about posters.
  • 01:32But I think having seen many, many,
  • 01:34many bad posters and having produced many,
  • 01:38many, many bad posters,
  • 01:40that we can all learn how to
  • 01:42do better and that it's a very,
  • 01:44very learnable skill and in fact,
  • 01:46not terribly difficult.
  • 01:48I don't think I I call this posters
  • 01:51as points of academic contact because
  • 01:53that's really what this is about.
  • 01:55You put your poster, whether on paper,
  • 01:58at a big conference room full of many,
  • 02:01many people, and you try,
  • 02:03you try to connect with them or you
  • 02:05do it increasingly through Zoom,
  • 02:07and you try to connect in some academic way.
  • 02:10They're very powerful and powerful
  • 02:12because they're short.
  • 02:14As Doctor Seuss said,
  • 02:16famously short is better than length.
  • 02:20So anything that is short is
  • 02:22likely to to be good.
  • 02:25OK, so yeah,
  • 02:28Reagan was kind enough to
  • 02:30already put the text for you,
  • 02:32but there it is again.
  • 02:33If you text that code,
  • 02:34you will get CME credit.
  • 02:38And as you see in underline,
  • 02:41I have no corporate support by the American
  • 02:44Poster Association or anything like that.
  • 02:47So let's start with the learning objectives.
  • 02:50I'll start by telling you what the
  • 02:52three learning objectives are.
  • 02:53Oops.
  • 02:54And then we're going to go one
  • 02:56by one through them.
  • 02:57First,
  • 02:58I want to present to you to
  • 03:01distinguish what I call the
  • 03:03minimalist approach to poster
  • 03:04making from a maximalist approach.
  • 03:06This will make sense once you see it,
  • 03:09and you will see that I have a
  • 03:11clear favorite for this.
  • 03:14I'll also in this part talk about the
  • 03:17difference is subtle but important
  • 03:19differences between an in vivo
  • 03:21poster versus an online poster.
  • 03:27I will talk about optimizing
  • 03:30graphic elements, letters,
  • 03:32images, whatever it is,
  • 03:34to tell a very memorable story in
  • 03:37very few words, very few words.
  • 03:40And finally, we'll talk about embedding
  • 03:44complementary elements and materials
  • 03:47through QR codes that can really
  • 03:50extend the poster's content because
  • 03:52you can include any number of things
  • 03:55that endure after the presentation,
  • 03:57supplementary materials,
  • 03:58voice overs, etcetera.
  • 04:01So let's start with the first one,
  • 04:03the this minimalist versus
  • 04:06maximalist approach.
  • 04:07So what do I mean by this?
  • 04:10All right,
  • 04:10so take a Dramamine pill
  • 04:12before you see this poster.
  • 04:16OK, so these are out there,
  • 04:18available in the blogosphere.
  • 04:20And as you can see,
  • 04:24it's impossible to pay
  • 04:25attention to this poster there.
  • 04:26There simply is too much visual
  • 04:30nonsense you cannot pay attention.
  • 04:32And although this car, this poster
  • 04:34might be a little bit of a cartoon,
  • 04:36it is a cartoon of a bad poster.
  • 04:38It's not that far off from many a a
  • 04:41poster that we see at conferences,
  • 04:46clashing colors, too many words,
  • 04:48paragraphs that are justified.
  • 04:51You know, I could spend some
  • 04:53time talking about all the things
  • 04:54that are wrong with this poster.
  • 04:58This one looks more medical,
  • 05:00even though it's from engineering
  • 05:02or physics or something.
  • 05:03But this is the kind of things
  • 05:05that we again see. Too many words,
  • 05:08too much information, too much overload.
  • 05:10Let alone the fact that the colors are
  • 05:13clashing and torturing our poor retinas.
  • 05:15But there is simply too much.
  • 05:17You want to run away from this?
  • 05:19You want to run away.
  • 05:20Maybe your eye looks at $256 for four hours.
  • 05:24That's interesting.
  • 05:25So let me read these 5000 words
  • 05:27to figure out what that means.
  • 05:28You don't.
  • 05:29You just give up the $256.
  • 05:31It's very painful.
  • 05:32So both of these are examples of
  • 05:35what I consider bad postering,
  • 05:37and they're examples of a maximalist poster.
  • 05:40Let's squeeze as much as possible into
  • 05:44a poster and just to show that they
  • 05:46out there in the world are not the
  • 05:48only bad people making bad posters.
  • 05:50This was a poster that I did
  • 05:52maybe nine years ago.
  • 05:54It's actually my MEF poster for
  • 05:57the Medical Education Fellowship.
  • 05:59I don't think it's quite as obnoxious,
  • 06:01but it is pretty obnoxious.
  • 06:02There's just too much.
  • 06:03I think it's moving in the right direction,
  • 06:06and that it includes some images
  • 06:08that at least are intriguing,
  • 06:11but it includes some QR codes.
  • 06:13But again,
  • 06:14being maximalist one is not enough.
  • 06:16So it has three QR codes.
  • 06:18There's too much,
  • 06:20and I place this arrow here.
  • 06:24Can someone does anyone have any
  • 06:26ideas why I put this arrow here?
  • 06:27What that, what does that mean?
  • 06:36OK, so I might otherwise have been used.
  • 06:40Say that again. Everything is
  • 06:43compressed over to the left,
  • 06:45whereas you might have had a
  • 06:47lot more breathing room had
  • 06:50it been put over to the right.
  • 06:51That's great, wonderful.
  • 06:53And there was another idea from someone
  • 06:56had another idea I was going to say maybe
  • 06:58the the aspect ratio of the principal
  • 07:00space on the piece of paper wasn't quite
  • 07:03jiving with the design of your poster.
  • 07:06Exactly. And I think that both of
  • 07:08you are exactly right.
  • 07:09So remember that this was done in
  • 07:12prehistoric times, maybe nine years ago,
  • 07:14before we had a thing called zoom.
  • 07:17So all the posters were prepared for paper.
  • 07:20So this very much was prepared for paper.
  • 07:22And once I blew it to size you,
  • 07:26you could read everything.
  • 07:27It was still a lot and it was this ratio
  • 07:31that is I think almost like a three,
  • 07:33three vertical, 4 horizontal.
  • 07:35But I wanted to bring this to your
  • 07:38attention because as you're doing posters,
  • 07:40you need to be very mindful of are
  • 07:43you presenting in person or unzoom?
  • 07:44I have seen many, many,
  • 07:46many zoom posters that are
  • 07:48presented with this ratio.
  • 07:49And as noted, if you use this ratio,
  • 07:51you lose all of this precious space.
  • 07:54So there's a way in zoom that you
  • 07:56fill everything in the screen,
  • 07:58which is what I encourage you to do.
  • 08:00However,
  • 08:00if you're going to be presenting in person,
  • 08:03using the full ratio is not so good because
  • 08:06the poster is going to be too horizontal.
  • 08:09It's going to be a very big poster.
  • 08:12It's very easy to find out what ratio
  • 08:15you want once you know is it zoom
  • 08:17or in person in your PowerPoint,
  • 08:19which is how we create posters.
  • 08:21You go and you select the poster.
  • 08:23So this is the default,
  • 08:25the old default in PowerPoint,
  • 08:26which is a three by four ratio.
  • 08:28The current default is what
  • 08:31called a widescreen.
  • 08:32And if you use widescreen it will fill
  • 08:35the whole the whole screen and then
  • 08:37you can customize it to all sorts of,
  • 08:39you know,
  • 08:39you can do a square poster
  • 08:41a a very skinny long poster,
  • 08:43but those I think are the main ones.
  • 08:48Now as I've developed and grown I think
  • 08:52that posters have gotten as you see,
  • 08:54few words and you're going to see a
  • 08:56couple of variations of this poster
  • 08:59that that is still made for paper.
  • 09:01You see that I am I have some
  • 09:04free space on both sides.
  • 09:05It's a 3 by 4 ratio.
  • 09:07But what's important here is that
  • 09:10this poster style is 3 components.
  • 09:12The main event is in the middle in blue,
  • 09:15and the idea is that if you only
  • 09:17look at that and at the title,
  • 09:20you should tell the whole,
  • 09:20you should know the whole story.
  • 09:24It's a qualitative study of child
  • 09:27psychiatrist during COVID-19 and there are
  • 09:304 main exposures of the pandemic that have
  • 09:33open a reevaluation of the principles,
  • 09:36inefficiencies, physician identity,
  • 09:37role in society and cetera.
  • 09:40So, so that tells the story.
  • 09:42And then the panels on the right and
  • 09:44the left give extra information,
  • 09:45in this case, quotes, one quote,
  • 09:48a couple of highlights about introductions,
  • 09:50methods and discussion. It's brief.
  • 09:53And then very importantly,
  • 09:54it includes QR codes and
  • 09:56some additional information.
  • 09:58So it's getting tighter, fewer words.
  • 10:01This is another variation that
  • 10:04was prepared as paper.
  • 10:05Here in the middle you see mostly
  • 10:08images and it's a global photo
  • 10:10elicitation study of child mental
  • 10:13health during the pandemic.
  • 10:15And even if you don't read anything,
  • 10:17you can start getting an idea that this
  • 10:19is where the submissions came from,
  • 10:21that this really kind of represents
  • 10:23the experience of children,
  • 10:24this represents the experience of children,
  • 10:26etcetera.
  • 10:27My point here is just showing how the
  • 10:29posters are getting more minimalist
  • 10:34for a more traditionally quantitative poster.
  • 10:38If you look here, these words, these 10
  • 10:41or 12 words tell you the whole story.
  • 10:43Training initiatives designed
  • 10:45to produce child psychiatry,
  • 10:47physician scientists are an important step.
  • 10:49And then these three images, once again,
  • 10:53it's small for zoom, but it was size 4.
  • 10:56Paper shows you that the red line that
  • 10:59a special program led to more K awards,
  • 11:02it led to more publications,
  • 11:04it led to more, more, more this and that.
  • 11:07Once again, this three-part poster
  • 11:10with a left that has some content,
  • 11:14a right that has some detailed content,
  • 11:16but the main event being big letters,
  • 11:19a few images in the centre in your face.
  • 11:22Because we're all seeing thousands
  • 11:23of posters,
  • 11:24so how can we really focus on the right one?
  • 11:29This is the last one that I'll show you.
  • 11:30And to show you that I didn't
  • 11:32invent this approach to the poster,
  • 11:33this is something that has been used a lot.
  • 11:35This trifold poster.
  • 11:38Once again, the title, a couple of details.
  • 11:42If someone has interest on what the
  • 11:43P value of something is or what not,
  • 11:46you have it here on the side.
  • 11:47You have all of this mumbo jumbo on the side,
  • 11:50but most of the time you are going to
  • 11:53be focusing on this and always the
  • 11:56QR code linking to more information.
  • 12:00This may feel very minimalistic to some
  • 12:01of you to just have essentially this is
  • 12:04a poster with a couple of footnotes.
  • 12:06But remember that the point is not
  • 12:08so much a poster as the contact,
  • 12:11and through this you're going to.
  • 12:12People are going to be stopping in
  • 12:14front of your poster and asking
  • 12:17you questions so you can decide as
  • 12:19you go on what your style is,
  • 12:21how much and how little.
  • 12:22There's no right and wrong,
  • 12:23but I'm giving you a range and really
  • 12:26advising that you go away from too
  • 12:29much from maximalist approaches.
  • 12:33So how do we optimize the use of graphics
  • 12:39to tell a memorable story using few words?
  • 12:43Consider this and don't try reading it.
  • 12:45It I I on purpose put it in a very faint
  • 12:48Gray so that you don't strain yourself.
  • 12:51But believe me that this is an abstract.
  • 12:53It has a background, methods,
  • 12:54results and conclusions.
  • 12:55And you have all written abstracts.
  • 12:57We talked the last time
  • 12:58about how to do an abstract.
  • 12:59This particular abstract is 240 words,
  • 13:02and most abstracts are 250 words or under.
  • 13:07So one of the rules of thumb for
  • 13:10today is that your poster should
  • 13:13have fewer words than your abstract.
  • 13:16The past, the abstract that I'm going
  • 13:18to be showing you has 200 words,
  • 13:20so I went down from 2:40 to 200,
  • 13:23and if you keep that in mind to always
  • 13:25cut down in the number of words,
  • 13:27I think you're going to be well served.
  • 13:30This is also a reminder to me of
  • 13:34this notion that a poster or an
  • 13:38abstract is not a reduced paper.
  • 13:41You don't start with the paper and then
  • 13:43crush it into a tiny little poster,
  • 13:45but the opposite.
  • 13:46A paper is a poster or an abstract
  • 13:50that has blossomed,
  • 13:51and it's a very different way of
  • 13:54thinking because you if you can
  • 13:56really get an abstract tight,
  • 13:58then your poster and your paper
  • 14:01will flow naturally.
  • 14:02Trying to cram or to sculpt an abstract
  • 14:05out of the paper is much harder,
  • 14:08but for now let's just focus on this.
  • 14:10You want to go from the abstract.
  • 14:12You want to start with an abstract
  • 14:13with your ideas are going to be.
  • 14:15They're not going to be pretty,
  • 14:16but the ideas are going to be down
  • 14:17and you're going to go to a poster.
  • 14:20The next thing that I do is that I doodle it.
  • 14:24This is what I doodled that
  • 14:27abstract would look as a poster.
  • 14:30This is what I did and you're
  • 14:33going to see once you see the
  • 14:35final product that there is.
  • 14:37There definitely is some
  • 14:41similarity, but it changes from the moment
  • 14:43you doodle it to when you finish it.
  • 14:46So that would be a second thing that
  • 14:48I would recommend highly doodle before
  • 14:50you start obsessing in PowerPoint,
  • 14:53because if you have this and
  • 14:54the PowerPoint comes easy,
  • 14:55if you start doodling in PowerPoint,
  • 14:57it takes a long time.
  • 15:00So this is the poster and I want you
  • 15:04now to take a minute to read it,
  • 15:07try to make sense of it and then we're going
  • 15:10to do a deconstructive experiment here.
  • 15:12So let's just give you like 90 seconds
  • 15:15or something like that to to read it.
  • 16:40So the purpose of today is really not
  • 16:43to talk about this particular poster.
  • 16:46We're going to deconstruct it
  • 16:47and and see how it was built.
  • 16:49But before we go there,
  • 16:52since this is supposed
  • 16:53to be a point of contact,
  • 16:56any questions about the poster itself,
  • 16:57about the the content,
  • 16:58about things that were not clear,
  • 17:00any anything at all about the poster.
  • 17:17This kind of silence, of course,
  • 17:18happens a lot when you're at meetings,
  • 17:20you're there sitting with your
  • 17:21beautiful poster and no one
  • 17:22gives you the time of day.
  • 17:24So you're sitting there with your
  • 17:25suit saying come see my poster,
  • 17:26see my poster, ask me questions.
  • 17:29So consider myself in a suit asking you,
  • 17:32please look at my poster.
  • 17:33Ask questions.
  • 17:46Yeah, if that's how you want to play. OK.
  • 17:49Any questions. Going once, Going twice.
  • 17:53All right. If you can see the chat.
  • 17:55Andres. Oh, no, I can't. Please. One
  • 17:59question. Was the visual intended to
  • 18:02explain what the qualitative method that
  • 18:05the qualitative method was Focus group.
  • 18:07So is that little drawing just meant to
  • 18:11explain that there was focus groups used?
  • 18:15Yes. So yes. So that's good.
  • 18:17So the the panel D is that there was
  • 18:19a debriefing and everybody together
  • 18:21exchanged ideas and those were focus
  • 18:23groups and in addition there were the
  • 18:26individual people viewing the video.
  • 18:27So the combination of individual
  • 18:29reflections and focus groups
  • 18:31was the body of the data. Yes,
  • 18:37I I might ask a question.
  • 18:39It it, it seems like that's a lot of space,
  • 18:42although it's good for white space.
  • 18:43Like to Deb's our earlier point,
  • 18:46it does help give you visual
  • 18:47relief to have the graphic,
  • 18:49but it's also a lot of space just
  • 18:51to kind of illustrate a focus group.
  • 18:55Maybe you might talk about how
  • 18:56you make those kind of decisions.
  • 18:59Yeah. Well it's it's, it's it's good.
  • 19:02You know. And by the way,
  • 19:03I'm not surprised that the
  • 19:04question was about the cartoons.
  • 19:06What did the cartoons mean or not?
  • 19:07Because even though they tell a
  • 19:09story here they don't have a a long
  • 19:12footnote explaining everything.
  • 19:14So so they can be partially helpful.
  • 19:18But but yeah to to that point when I
  • 19:20started making the poster, I thought,
  • 19:22I'm gonna really include images
  • 19:24because they really tell a story.
  • 19:26So yeah I I started with you know
  • 19:29let's create the look that I like
  • 19:31which was just these two bars.
  • 19:32Don't you know? No, no real reason.
  • 19:35I wanted some yellow,
  • 19:36blue and you know another color.
  • 19:39I came up with a title I I
  • 19:40came up with a you know,
  • 19:42colors that seem to synchronize and
  • 19:44link and you know once I put the Crest,
  • 19:46the yellow Crest.
  • 19:48This seemed to work all the authors and
  • 19:51to your point this is how I started
  • 19:54the the poster and in the doodle that
  • 19:56you saw I had four of these panels.
  • 19:59Once I started doing it,
  • 20:00I realized that including all four panels
  • 20:03would be more confusing than helpful,
  • 20:05and that perhaps even 2 panels is too much.
  • 20:09So I, you know, I got, I got rid of those,
  • 20:11but even though I didn't,
  • 20:12whoops,
  • 20:13even though I didn't highlight
  • 20:15the the focus groupness of it,
  • 20:17this really is a focus groups with with
  • 20:20some leaders and some participants etcetera.
  • 20:23Does that answer your your question,
  • 20:25Dana?
  • 20:28Yes. And I think also Deb's
  • 20:30additional comment too about just
  • 20:32saving on some words to explain
  • 20:35the focus group and the methods.
  • 20:38Yeah, yeah, yeah, and I don't.
  • 20:41We'll see. I don't think I
  • 20:42put that there. So we'll see.
  • 20:48For those of you who who are not
  • 20:50familiar or do this commonly,
  • 20:52just a a computer tip.
  • 20:54This is for a Mac.
  • 20:55I I really don't know how to do it on APC,
  • 20:58but screen grabs are your friend.
  • 21:00And if you press these three buttons
  • 21:02at the same time, So that would be
  • 21:05the shift command and #4 you can take
  • 21:09a picture of whatever is on your screen.
  • 21:12You just draw a little box and it takes
  • 21:15a picture and it puts it on your desktop.
  • 21:18Now I use them a lot I tend for all
  • 21:22sorts of purposes and the one thing to
  • 21:25to be mindful of is avoiding pixelation.
  • 21:28If you take an image that is low resolution,
  • 21:31or if you do a screen grab
  • 21:32of something that's very,
  • 21:33very tiny and then try to make it big,
  • 21:35it will look like this.
  • 21:37And once you have pixelation,
  • 21:39particularly in a poster,
  • 21:40that's all that people are going to
  • 21:43look at because it's jarring on the eye.
  • 21:45So you always want to go for high resolution,
  • 21:47big images and make them as big as they can.
  • 21:51If you see that they start pixelating,
  • 21:52it will tell you just what's the
  • 21:55maximum size that you can do.
  • 21:57And this is very helpful to get screen grabs,
  • 22:00for example, from PDFs,
  • 22:01if you want to include a certain image,
  • 22:04those images that I showed you from
  • 22:06my paper are screen grabs from
  • 22:08the PDF of the paper itself.
  • 22:10So yeah, and I don't know if we have a a,
  • 22:13a PC person who knows how to do screen
  • 22:16grabs on PCI saw that Gary was there.
  • 22:18I don't know Gary do you have
  • 22:20any words of wisdom or anyone in
  • 22:28using Deb Deb talking about using the
  • 22:33snipping tool on PC there's a snipping tool
  • 22:36oh look at that there's a there's
  • 22:38a you could also do alt enter
  • 22:40and S together if you just.
  • 22:43I think that's what it is you
  • 22:45could just Google it but it is
  • 22:47easy to do a screenshot on PC Good.
  • 22:49No it's whoops screenshots are are
  • 22:51really your your your friend they
  • 22:53they can be very helpful and which
  • 22:55leads to having some visuals and a
  • 22:57poster is always very good not not
  • 23:00to have just words whenever possible.
  • 23:04I'm just it's yes I was just gonna follow up.
  • 23:07I I I tend to use the snipping tool
  • 23:10for if you're trying to go for a
  • 23:12specific like figure or table,
  • 23:14'cause you can pick your frame,
  • 23:17it's not a whole screenshot.
  • 23:18It's like focused and it helps
  • 23:20when you're you can blow it up on
  • 23:22your screen exactly when you're
  • 23:23talking about avoiding pixelation.
  • 23:25So that's a different than
  • 23:27like capturing full screen.
  • 23:28Just to be clear,
  • 23:29it's like you select your
  • 23:30area and highlight it
  • 23:32no thank you and and and by the way,
  • 23:35this these three keys,
  • 23:36the command Shift 4 is exactly that,
  • 23:40the snipping Tool. So I could just
  • 23:42hopefully you can see my mouse.
  • 23:43I could just you know snip
  • 23:45whatever little piece I want to do.
  • 23:47But if you do shift Control 3 then it will
  • 23:52take a photograph of the whole screen. So.
  • 23:55So there's lots of options and as someone
  • 23:58mentioned I I can't see who who did.
  • 24:01But if you Google any of these things
  • 24:04they're very easy to to to find
  • 24:07on the Mac. There's a the actual app
  • 24:10that you're running is called Screenshot
  • 24:12and it's found in your Applications
  • 24:14folder in the Utilities folder.
  • 24:17And it has a lot of options,
  • 24:18like you can time a grab so
  • 24:21that you can expose a drop down
  • 24:22menu or something like that.
  • 24:24You can select different
  • 24:25sections of the screen.
  • 24:26It's a really great app to
  • 24:27put into your box so it's
  • 24:29always available. Wow,
  • 24:32Gary, that's great. That's terrific.
  • 24:34So there's advanced screen grabbing that.
  • 24:37That's great, wonderful.
  • 24:41So, so now I decided on which images to put.
  • 24:44I have the title, the Basic Blocks,
  • 24:47then a couple of things about once
  • 24:49we start getting into the the paper.
  • 24:51As you see, I put just two bullets.
  • 24:53I designed this to be
  • 24:56viewable at a zoom font.
  • 24:59So even these words in the image,
  • 25:02I would say they're sub,
  • 25:04you know they're not great.
  • 25:06This is too small. This is perfect.
  • 25:09You can read everything about it
  • 25:10and you're going to see that here.
  • 25:12I used full sentences.
  • 25:15You don't have to use full sentences.
  • 25:17In fact, just phrases with the key
  • 25:20points could do the the trick.
  • 25:23I use bulleted lines,
  • 25:24so bulleted lines are something that
  • 25:26you would never dare to do when
  • 25:28you're writing anything in prose.
  • 25:29But bulleted lists are actually
  • 25:32very helpful in posters,
  • 25:34so these two bullets give you
  • 25:36a sense of why it's important.
  • 25:38They happen a lot,
  • 25:39these interactions and what
  • 25:41it is that we want to do.
  • 25:43We want to find a way to provide
  • 25:45supervisors with a tool to
  • 25:47think of how to approach them.
  • 25:55If you see the difference between
  • 25:57these two blocks, it's the same text.
  • 26:00It's exactly the same text,
  • 26:02but this upper one is done in
  • 26:07Arial font and this one is
  • 26:10done in Times New Roman font.
  • 26:13Now that doesn't seem to be a
  • 26:14big deal and it isn't, you know,
  • 26:16your science will survive.
  • 26:18But a another important rule of thumb
  • 26:21is that things that you write on a page,
  • 26:24on a piece of paper and a book,
  • 26:26you should always use something
  • 26:30like Times New Romance.
  • 26:32Something that has these little
  • 26:33things called serifs that I'll
  • 26:35show you in a second that all these
  • 26:37little stinkies at the bottom.
  • 26:38It makes it easier to read on the
  • 26:40page but when you put it on the
  • 26:42screen or you put it on a poster
  • 26:43this kind of font is annoying
  • 26:45on the on the screen or poster.
  • 26:47So you should use you should use this kind
  • 26:50of font which is called the sans serif.
  • 26:53So let me tell you what I what I mean.
  • 26:57This paragraph in font I put here #20.
  • 27:00That's the font that I'm using here.
  • 27:03Bulleted lines are very good in
  • 27:06PowerPoint and I'm using an 18.
  • 27:08As I mentioned, being short,
  • 27:10no need for full sentences and
  • 27:13probably as small as you can go.
  • 27:14Is 12, maybe 11, but certainly not ten.
  • 27:19But this gives you an idea of the
  • 27:22the size of the of the of the font.
  • 27:28Look at what happens here.
  • 27:29You know if you write a full
  • 27:32paragraph that follows the full
  • 27:34syntax and it's syntactically correct,
  • 27:37it becomes really draining
  • 27:38and boring on the eye.
  • 27:39Especially if you justify the text
  • 27:41rather than letting left align it
  • 27:43and and it just makes you sleepy.
  • 27:45You know this this is like
  • 27:47PowerPoint hell or in poster hell.
  • 27:48So you want to stay away from that.
  • 27:50You want to have short,
  • 27:51wreath and bulleted.
  • 27:58The serif fonts, as I mentioned, are bad.
  • 28:00Times New Roman is a classic one.
  • 28:02Garamond. There's many others.
  • 28:03But what they all have in common,
  • 28:04these serifs are these little extensions
  • 28:07at the bottom that make the line
  • 28:10easier to read when you're on paper
  • 28:13but not good when you're on the screen.
  • 28:16So when you are on PowerPoint or on a poster,
  • 28:20use sans serif fonts.
  • 28:22Arial is probably the most
  • 28:24common one in Calibri. Helvetica.
  • 28:26I particularly like Avenir.
  • 28:28That's the one that I use in this poster.
  • 28:30But doesn't doesn't matter.
  • 28:33And pick one and stick to it.
  • 28:35You don't want to be changing fonts,
  • 28:37so that's very annoying.
  • 28:38You change fonts?
  • 28:39Yeah, you're going to be changing some color,
  • 28:42so you don't want to be changing
  • 28:43too many things at once.
  • 28:46Now let's take out the things that
  • 28:50we don't need to focus on right now.
  • 28:53Same poster. What was the problem here?
  • 28:56And what I'm going to be doing is
  • 28:59encouraging us all to be thinking
  • 29:02about your basic epidemiology 101 when
  • 29:05doing a poster that if you can hit
  • 29:08on these epidemiologic principles,
  • 29:09you're going to be all set.
  • 29:12And the principles are what we call pico.
  • 29:14I'm going to go through each one of them
  • 29:16if you're not familiar with them Pico.
  • 29:18So the P the 1st is the P problem.
  • 29:21What is the problem?
  • 29:22Racist interactions and clinical
  • 29:24practice remain A pervasive reality
  • 29:26for black healthcare providers.
  • 29:27That is a problem.
  • 29:32We're going to come to pico in a second.
  • 29:33Wrong. Wrong. P where?
  • 29:35We're going to do now the problem gap.
  • 29:37Huck, I'm sorry.
  • 29:39So that was a problem.
  • 29:40The gap is We know what the problem was.
  • 29:44What is the gap in what is available?
  • 29:47Well, we know that there's a gap in
  • 29:49the kind of materials and support and
  • 29:52information and knowledge that we can give
  • 29:55to supervisors when they're trying to
  • 29:58work with their trainees and to all of us.
  • 30:02So that's a gap.
  • 30:03There's a hole in the literature.
  • 30:04So we know the problem.
  • 30:05We know the gap.
  • 30:06And the 3rd letter here is the the H,
  • 30:10the hook.
  • 30:11So what's going to be the hook in this story?
  • 30:14And in this case, you know,
  • 30:18we spent a lot of time thinking about
  • 30:21the title of the poster and anti
  • 30:23black racism and clinical supervision.
  • 30:26It's a hook.
  • 30:27If people are walking around seeing posters,
  • 30:29this is likely to grab attention
  • 30:31because we're all dealing with racism,
  • 30:33we're all dealing with anti black racism.
  • 30:36It happens in clinical supervisions.
  • 30:38We don't feel very competent to do it.
  • 30:40Our black trainees feel terrible
  • 30:42that this is going on.
  • 30:44So, so there are it,
  • 30:46it's something that draws your attention in.
  • 30:48So in doing this we've done
  • 30:51the there's going to be two,
  • 30:55two acronyms that I share with you today.
  • 30:57This is the first one problem gap hook and
  • 31:00then we'll come to PICO in a second and
  • 31:03this covers that the problem gap gap hook.
  • 31:08This problem gap hook was defined by
  • 31:12a medical educator lore Lorelai Lynn.
  • 31:15I forget her last name that she
  • 31:18talks about the problem with gap hook
  • 31:21heuristic as a way of writing papers
  • 31:23that will be interesting to others.
  • 31:25And if you keep in mind this problem
  • 31:28gap hook these three elements and
  • 31:30you always include them in the
  • 31:32introduction of your paper or in this
  • 31:34case in the background and title and
  • 31:36the the beginning of the product,
  • 31:38you are likely to get the
  • 31:39attention that you want to get.
  • 31:41So that's the problem gap book.
  • 31:46Now the second one. Now we do
  • 31:49go to the pico that I promise.
  • 31:51Oh, not yet. In the methods
  • 31:58we describe exactly what it is that we did.
  • 32:01I won't belabor that,
  • 32:02but just to point out that this letter,
  • 32:04this bright letter A,
  • 32:05the idea is that I have these two
  • 32:08floating images and I want to know where
  • 32:10they belong and I don't have a lot of space.
  • 32:13Space like in a article to put
  • 32:15figure one in a lots of subtitles.
  • 32:19But like this I know where my eye should go.
  • 32:22Or as an author, I'm telling you,
  • 32:23dear reader, when you read this,
  • 32:25enhance it and complement
  • 32:27it with this visual.
  • 32:28This visual could be a graph,
  • 32:30a histogram, whatever you want.
  • 32:37Similarly with the the the second image.
  • 32:40This is a focus group and
  • 32:41then it's a good point.
  • 32:42I should have added then joined
  • 32:44a debriefing as part of a focus
  • 32:46group or something like that.
  • 32:49OK, here it is.
  • 32:50Fine, the pico that I mentioned.
  • 32:52So what is a PICO and how does
  • 32:55that relate to this poster and
  • 32:57how am I encouraging you to
  • 33:00think about it for your poster?
  • 33:03So the Piazza population,
  • 33:05which in this case was,
  • 33:07who were the participants in this case?
  • 33:10There were 52 of them,
  • 33:11different specialties.
  • 33:12This is their racial and ethnic breakdown.
  • 33:16So I have a sense that's probably
  • 33:18all that I need to know here.
  • 33:20That's the population
  • 33:24in the paper. I would go into details
  • 33:27as to how they were selected and our
  • 33:28sampling and I this and all that.
  • 33:30But in a poster, I just want to tell you
  • 33:32the the bare facts of who people are.
  • 33:37The next thing is the exposure.
  • 33:39What? What is it that we did?
  • 33:41So in this case,
  • 33:43we exposed all of these learners,
  • 33:45all of this, these residents
  • 33:49and fellows and junior faculty.
  • 33:52We expose them to viewing
  • 33:54videos of racist behaviors,
  • 33:56something that we call entrenching
  • 33:59behaviors that retain the racism.
  • 34:02These triads, by the way,
  • 34:04include a patient who's a racist patient,
  • 34:07a supervisor, and a trainee.
  • 34:10And we played around with the
  • 34:11different responses by the trainee,
  • 34:13the different responses by the supervisor.
  • 34:17And these were not real patients.
  • 34:19These were simulated patients.
  • 34:20These were simulated encounters.
  • 34:22So the intervention was that bad behavior,
  • 34:27The comparison or the
  • 34:30control was how do what?
  • 34:33What are the anti racist behaviors?
  • 34:35What are behaviors that are
  • 34:37uprooting of racist behavior?
  • 34:39So we had good behaviors.
  • 34:41The, the, the,
  • 34:46yeah, the, the, the supervisor who says
  • 34:48we're going to put a limit on this,
  • 34:50we're not going to do this.
  • 34:51That goes in circles to the training,
  • 34:53make sure that she is doing well,
  • 34:55etcetera, etcetera.
  • 34:58And then the outcome,
  • 34:59what is the outcome?
  • 35:00What is it that we measured?
  • 35:01Now in this case,
  • 35:03this is a qualitative study.
  • 35:05So I put in just briefly that we used
  • 35:07thematic analysis and that we were
  • 35:10using it behavioral response patterns.
  • 35:12So our outcomes are not
  • 35:13going to be numerical.
  • 35:14I'm not going to be looking at the
  • 35:16means and standard deviations,
  • 35:18but these are the five different
  • 35:20behavioral patterns that we found.
  • 35:23I'm not going to go through each one of them.
  • 35:24But, you know, just to give you an example,
  • 35:27expliciveness.
  • 35:30Do we avoid using the word racism
  • 35:32or do we use it when confronting
  • 35:35a patient who's being racist?
  • 35:37There's no right or wrong,
  • 35:38but there's a a whole range of those
  • 35:43behaviors involving do we ask the resident,
  • 35:46the fellow,
  • 35:47the medical student who was
  • 35:49subject to this racist encounter,
  • 35:50do we involve them and say let's go
  • 35:53as we confront the situation or you
  • 35:55stay on the corner, I'll come back,
  • 35:57I'm going to support you,
  • 35:59but it's better for you to stay out
  • 36:01of this one, etcetera, etcetera.
  • 36:02And in the paper we do go into
  • 36:04all of these different things
  • 36:07in time. In, in this particular
  • 36:09study time was not an important
  • 36:12variable because it was a one
  • 36:14shot cross-sectional study.
  • 36:15But many times time will be
  • 36:17a very important subject.
  • 36:19We did X at .12 and three
  • 36:24and now we're coloring it in and and
  • 36:29finally coming to to the conclusions
  • 36:35and the last little block.
  • 36:38This block by the way,
  • 36:39is the one where I see the most problems.
  • 36:42People forget to put, you know,
  • 36:45who they are affiliated with,
  • 36:47you know, that's fine.
  • 36:49They very often,
  • 36:51very very often forget to put
  • 36:53a contact person or an e-mail.
  • 36:54So in this case Amanda was the lead author.
  • 36:56She is the point person.
  • 36:59But it's amazing how many posters don't come
  • 37:01with a contact with contact information.
  • 37:04And it's also amazing how many posters
  • 37:06forget to put who they were supported by.
  • 37:09And it's almost impossible to see
  • 37:11a poster that includes disclosures.
  • 37:14But this doesn't take space and it's really,
  • 37:17really important in the spirit of
  • 37:19transparency that people know who you are,
  • 37:21how to get you and how you were funded,
  • 37:23and if there's any funding
  • 37:25conflict considerations.
  • 37:28So the last thing is how to
  • 37:31embed complementary elements
  • 37:32through using QR codes.
  • 37:34And you should think of these as
  • 37:36extenders of all sorts of things.
  • 37:38They really are poster extenders.
  • 37:42So, so here it is my my little QR code,
  • 37:47I made space for it,
  • 37:48not too big not too little.
  • 37:50And I like putting a little sign
  • 37:53to saying if you if you scan here,
  • 37:55this is what you're going to find and
  • 37:57feel free to scan it now and you're
  • 37:59going to see others truth in advertising.
  • 38:01You will find there that there's a
  • 38:04voice over like a two-minute recording
  • 38:07of myself going over the poster.
  • 38:11There's a published article
  • 38:12with Amanda Calhoun.
  • 38:14So the paper is there and in its
  • 38:17details or references or something.
  • 38:20All the all the videos that we use,
  • 38:23all all these simulated videos
  • 38:25are available because some people
  • 38:27might want to use the videos
  • 38:29or at least watch the videos.
  • 38:31My point here yet again is not
  • 38:33about advertising so much this
  • 38:35poster or these videos,
  • 38:36but to give you an example that
  • 38:39you can include anything in this.
  • 38:41And for those of you who don't know
  • 38:42how to do it, it's pretty simple.
  • 38:45You need to have your files,
  • 38:54you need to be in your files,
  • 38:56need to be somewhere on the web.
  • 38:58So I use Google Docs,
  • 39:01but you can use Box.
  • 39:02You can use anything that's on the web.
  • 39:05You create a little folder.
  • 39:06In this case, as you can see,
  • 39:07I created for QR code,
  • 39:10and there's APDF of that paper.
  • 39:12There's a voiceover that I mentioned,
  • 39:14and there's a poster itself.
  • 39:16Even if you don't have any additional
  • 39:18goodies, it's always very good,
  • 39:20I find, to have the poster itself,
  • 39:23because then people walk away
  • 39:24and if they want to come back,
  • 39:26they can just read it.
  • 39:28There are many free sites to do QR codes.
  • 39:33You can just look free QR code generator.
  • 39:37This is one of many.
  • 39:39And then it will ask you for the
  • 39:42URL the the address of this file.
  • 39:45That's pretty simple and you
  • 39:46feed it and in two seconds
  • 39:48you have a unique QR code.
  • 39:53Again in this particular case we have the
  • 39:56the article that was that was published.
  • 39:59We have the an MP4 of the voice over and
  • 40:04here you have the, the the poster itself.
  • 40:08You can add any number of things
  • 40:11and you just need one of them.
  • 40:14They're very, very valuable.
  • 40:17So I think that this is the
  • 40:19the the end of the formal part.
  • 40:21I'm hoping that one you actually let's
  • 40:25wait on the evaluation, I don't know.
  • 40:26Because we we want to to talk,
  • 40:28but feel free to start the evaluation.
  • 40:30I'm going to stop screen sharing
  • 40:32and hopefully have some discussion
  • 40:34back and forth.
  • 40:37Welcome any and all questions.
  • 40:50Hi. Hey it's Bill here. I I have a
  • 40:56a comment about posters like this.
  • 41:01It's just like personal reaction. Now
  • 41:06I look at the poster and I see you know,
  • 41:12words, nouns and verbs.
  • 41:14A lot of them are long and and
  • 41:17when I what I find is what allows
  • 41:21me to connect to the poster is the
  • 41:25first time I see the word we you.
  • 41:28You know what I'm saying?
  • 41:29When I in that it's for for
  • 41:35here. I'll start my video.
  • 41:37So for for this poster hi it it's in
  • 41:41the second bullet I and and I don't
  • 41:43I just want to put that out there
  • 41:46because we're talking about you
  • 41:48know grabbing you know things that
  • 41:51make people move into the poster.
  • 41:55And for me I started to walk closer or
  • 41:58move closer to this poster the minute I
  • 42:02saw that word we you know what did we do?
  • 42:06And it it moved it from being a set
  • 42:10of ideas to and especially if there's
  • 42:13somebody standing next to that poster.
  • 42:16You know something that literally refers
  • 42:18to that person and gives me an Ave.
  • 42:20in to ask them questions.
  • 42:22I just that's just a a reflection
  • 42:26and and possibly at the question
  • 42:29might be how do we make our it
  • 42:32makes the portion more interactive
  • 42:34it invites me in and and that I'll
  • 42:37just stop with that and skip
  • 42:39I hadn't thought of it in this contract.
  • 42:41It's a great point.
  • 42:42It comes up for me all the time
  • 42:44when I review papers that people
  • 42:47write in the passive third tense or,
  • 42:50you know, very passive language.
  • 42:53So if you said these individuals
  • 42:57were shown videos, yeah,
  • 42:59Then you're doing something to them.
  • 43:01So I think your point is very well
  • 43:02taken that it it's I, it's we.
  • 43:04It's active. You start with those words.
  • 43:07Yeah, absolutely.
  • 43:09And we should take that to the posters
  • 43:11because we teach that in writing,
  • 43:12but not so much to posters.
  • 43:14And yeah, bringing yourself to the equation,
  • 43:16I think it's great. Yeah.
  • 43:17Thank you, Bill.
  • 43:19Fred.
  • 43:20Yeah.
  • 43:20Quick question about our
  • 43:23quick observation on images.
  • 43:26I because of my background,
  • 43:30I will sometimes clip images off the web,
  • 43:35but I do it, you know,
  • 43:37with the understanding that I might be
  • 43:41stealing someone's proprietary information.
  • 43:44So the end. And that's one thing.
  • 43:48Second thing is that if you were to take
  • 43:51that image and Google has a way to do it
  • 43:55now and say find this image in other places,
  • 43:58you might find it's an image
  • 44:00that's been used 5000 other times.
  • 44:03So really not something unique and
  • 44:06special as you might have thought was.
  • 44:09What I've started doing is like for a month
  • 44:14I figure out what presentations I'm gonna do.
  • 44:18I get a one month subscription
  • 44:21to Adobe Stock Images,
  • 44:23which has everything under the
  • 44:24sun that you want like pick,
  • 44:26pick, pick, pick pick.
  • 44:28And then you develop a little library
  • 44:30of things that you actually own and may
  • 44:33actually illustrate your points better
  • 44:36than randomly picking off the web.
  • 44:39That's all I have.
  • 44:41Yeah. No thank you.
  • 44:43And you know I haven't gone and
  • 44:45presented at the White House and
  • 44:47the Davos and you know I I think
  • 44:48that if I was there I would probably
  • 44:50pay more attention to those things.
  • 44:52That's not all it's cracked up to be.
  • 44:54Right. Right. So I I think it's
  • 44:56it's a good point to be mindful.
  • 44:58But I, I and maybe it's a bad
  • 45:02bad usage on my part. I'm of course
  • 45:05I'm very paranoid about those things.
  • 45:06And when you submit papers when you
  • 45:09need to be, you know you couldn't
  • 45:10get away with this when you submit
  • 45:12a paper but a PowerPoint does seem
  • 45:13as more of an ethereal, you know.
  • 45:15But but your point is is well taken.
  • 45:17We should be careful about it
  • 45:19and and and not go to jail.
  • 45:21If you go to jail as a result
  • 45:22of this presentation,
  • 45:23that's a bad outcome bad.
  • 45:27I see that there was a question from Deb.
  • 45:31Deb you asked about colors and color
  • 45:36selection. I are you here Deb,
  • 45:40I'd oh, there you are great.
  • 45:43So a couple of things.
  • 45:44I I would say that probably
  • 45:46having not more than four colors
  • 45:48which I think is what I had after
  • 45:51that it starts looking too much.
  • 45:53I like primary colors.
  • 45:56I like white backgrounds.
  • 45:58I don't think you want to in general.
  • 46:00I stay away from black backgrounds
  • 46:02for for a poster but that's
  • 46:03a personal thing but white I
  • 46:05think is kind of wakes you up
  • 46:09There's two considerations additional
  • 46:12things and and and and Janet always
  • 46:14reminds me of is that people who
  • 46:17have the the colour blindness my
  • 46:19struggle with certain combinations I
  • 46:21if I remember correctly I think it's
  • 46:24red and blue I think that together
  • 46:27clash in a not very good way.
  • 46:29Green can be a little bit complicated I I,
  • 46:33you know I think that having some
  • 46:35awareness of that but and the other
  • 46:38thing that I used not so not so much
  • 46:40in the poster but I did use it to make
  • 46:43the points about the poster is using a
  • 46:44colour to highlight something like when
  • 46:46I said this is racist and I used yellow.
  • 46:49That's another good use of colours.
  • 46:52When you say that they have unintended
  • 46:54meanings do you have something in mind?
  • 46:57Yes
  • 46:58thanks. And by the way those were great
  • 47:01tips and some of them are new and some
  • 47:02of them are in my head already.
  • 47:04What I was thinking is when and and I
  • 47:10think somebody just put in like green
  • 47:12and red some I've heard somebody say
  • 47:14when we were doing a patient facing tool
  • 47:17demo that green can have an unintended
  • 47:20meaning of saying go and red stop.
  • 47:22That kind of these nuances of if you're
  • 47:26using red or green without, I don't know.
  • 47:30I'm sort of trying to get at
  • 47:32like the potential meanings,
  • 47:34like not meanings but attributable
  • 47:40emotions. Maybe I'm thinking of
  • 47:41or like the back story of a color.
  • 47:44I know that's getting a
  • 47:45little further from it.
  • 47:46But this came up in a recent
  • 47:48discussion that if you put like
  • 47:50there were two treatments and one
  • 47:51was listed in green and one was red,
  • 47:53just 'cause they were trying to use
  • 47:55different colors and there was concern,
  • 47:57or one was yellow and one was red.
  • 47:59And that, you know,
  • 48:00there was concern that that would like
  • 48:03subconsciously cause a preference.
  • 48:05I don't know if that explains it better.
  • 48:07It's a little nuanced,
  • 48:08but I'm finding it's coming up
  • 48:09in discussions more than I'm
  • 48:10used to hearing about it.
  • 48:13No, the the place where I've used
  • 48:15it in to your advantage is that if
  • 48:18you're doing males versus females,
  • 48:20let's say in a traditional boy
  • 48:21girl study using a pink and a blue,
  • 48:23whatever we think about it, you know,
  • 48:25our brains are primed to that
  • 48:26and makes things easier to read.
  • 48:28And and also I've done, you know,
  • 48:30I've done some research in
  • 48:32transgender health and then some of
  • 48:34the more baby blue and baby pink.
  • 48:36So you can you can use those colors
  • 48:38in in a way that is helpful because
  • 48:39otherwise you need to do all this math of
  • 48:41who's a boy who's a girl who's a transit.
  • 48:43It's just too difficult.
  • 48:45But yeah, good.
  • 48:51So it sounds like Deb's like saying,
  • 48:52it says there's ways to use it in
  • 48:54a reinforcing way but there may be
  • 48:56situations where you inadvertently
  • 48:57or or tapping into some subliminal
  • 49:00thing that's count going against
  • 49:02what you're trying to say.
  • 49:04We also got a nice a nice tip from Gary.
  • 49:07I like that. Gary you're like incredible.
  • 49:09So if you Google public domain images
  • 49:12that can lead you to rights free images
  • 49:14which I think is is really good.
  • 49:16Yeah. Yeah. And great idea.
  • 49:18Yeah. So no jail. And you know,
  • 49:22should we go
  • 49:23to the oh, Fred has another question.
  • 49:25But I want to make sure
  • 49:26that people just evaluate
  • 49:27and you have just just just last comment.
  • 49:31You know, I, I don't know how many
  • 49:34of us are graphic or web designers,
  • 49:37probably not many.
  • 49:39But there are actually tools online.
  • 49:41So Andreas, you said you
  • 49:44started with Yale Blue.
  • 49:46Yale Blue will have a hex number.
  • 49:48So they're actually sites you
  • 49:50can go into online that are free.
  • 49:52You put in the Yale hex number
  • 49:54and it'll come up with pallet
  • 49:57choices and pallet choices,
  • 49:58some that are vivid,
  • 50:00some that are mild.
  • 50:02So there is that opportunity as well.
  • 50:07That's great. Well, thank you so much.
  • 50:10That's, I've I've learned a lot.
  • 50:11Even though I'm supposed to not
  • 50:13be learning today. Oh, no. Yeah.
  • 50:14I'm supposed to be learning too. Yeah.
  • 50:16And for Yale
  • 50:17specifically there is a site I put it
  • 50:19in the chat oh I didn't hit return that
  • 50:21has like Yale logos.
  • 50:24You can actually get the the
  • 50:25hex codes for specific Blues.
  • 50:27Yale blue and all that sort of thing.
  • 50:31No, that these are really good
  • 50:33reminders because most likely to
  • 50:35send us to to to jail would be Yale.
  • 50:37You know they're really Yale is very,
  • 50:39very serious about its copyright.
  • 50:40So I think it's it's good to
  • 50:43be mindful of this. Thank you.
  • 50:45I put up a code if you
  • 50:48haven't done your evaluation,
  • 50:49would really appreciate it.
  • 50:51And then after that we still have
  • 50:54one or two more slides to show you,
  • 50:57so don't go away.
  • 50:58But your your feedback is really helpful.
  • 51:21Love the countdown clock.
  • 51:24Oh yeah, it has counted down.
  • 51:32So just so that you know what's
  • 51:35coming up in early February the
  • 51:38second Katie Gillison who's now at
  • 51:41Emory was here with us wonderful
  • 51:43teacher will be talking about bias
  • 51:46and assessment clinical teaching.
  • 51:47Then I'll be back for the for the
  • 51:50final of my sessions and this one is on
  • 51:54writing revising and getting published
  • 51:57and it's something that I've enjoyed
  • 52:00supporting particularly young people
  • 52:01over the years but everyone and I was
  • 52:03an editor in chief for many years.
  • 52:05So it's something near and dear
  • 52:07to my heart and we will have many
  • 52:09more things the program goes
  • 52:13goes on and on. So we're not done yet,
  • 52:16but Dana, any anything else on on your
  • 52:20now we appreciate everybody's
  • 52:22feedback and attendance.
  • 52:23What more we should add to
  • 52:25the this burgeoning multi
  • 52:28dimensional faculty development
  • 52:30course beyond just teaching.
  • 52:32So any feedback is really,
  • 52:33really, really appreciated.
  • 52:36Thank you very much.
  • 52:38Thank you everyone.
  • 52:39And we're going to give you the,
  • 52:40the gift of four minutes of of
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  • 52:47Have a good day and a good weekend, everyone.
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