2/16 YES!: Yale Medical Educator Series: Just do it! Writing, Submitting, Revising, and Yes: Getting Published
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- 00:00Today I'm Dana Dunn.
- 00:01I Co direct the series with
- 00:03Doctor Andreas Martin,
- 00:05who we're going to hear from today.
- 00:07He's a professor in the Department
- 00:09of Child Psychiatry and an associate
- 00:12in the Teaching and Learning Center.
- 00:14He's been running a series on teaching
- 00:17in the classroom setting as well
- 00:20as these last three sessions aimed
- 00:23on scholarly work for everyone.
- 00:27And he's uniquely not uniquely,
- 00:30but certainly well suited to deliver
- 00:33this content as he was Editor in
- 00:36Chief for the Journal of Child and
- 00:39Adolescent Psychiatry for almost 10 years.
- 00:42And is really.
- 00:43It's not just his kind of one off
- 00:45opinion on abstract writing and poster
- 00:48preparation and manuscript writing,
- 00:50but he's really done the work
- 00:53and reviewed and and seen what
- 00:55works and what doesn't work and
- 00:56what editors are looking for.
- 00:58So we're really excited to have
- 01:00him today and we'll I'll monitor
- 01:03the chat for questions.
- 01:04But also if you want to ask something just
- 01:07like raise your hand or interrupt if I don't,
- 01:10if I don't see you.
- 01:11Andrea,
- 01:12is there anything else you want
- 01:13to add in a introductory way
- 01:15before we get started?
- 01:17Just to say that although all
- 01:19my computer controls look good,
- 01:20I don't have the video,
- 01:21so I can't see you.
- 01:23So any one of you, which I'd
- 01:25love to see you but I can't.
- 01:26They all look really good.
- 01:28Everybody, I don't know,
- 01:28I saw them briefly.
- 01:30So the point is that, Dana,
- 01:31you will be my eyes as to
- 01:33students and at any point.
- 01:35But my hope is that we'll have some
- 01:38time at the end for discussion.
- 01:43OK, good. Good to go. Good to go. OK.
- 01:48Hello everyone and thank you for for joining.
- 01:51This is a topic that I'm very
- 01:53passionate about, having struggled
- 01:54with many rejections and lots of
- 01:56heartache in publishing and eventually
- 01:59seeing the great joy of publishing,
- 02:01so hopefully I can share some
- 02:04of it that can help you. And
- 02:10no disclosures.
- 02:11I'm not paid by any entity,
- 02:14publishing or otherwise.
- 02:16And if you text that number,
- 02:18you can get your CME.
- 02:19I think that Linda's also
- 02:21gonna post it to the chat.
- 02:26So let's start with our learning objectives.
- 02:28What's the the hope that we like
- 02:31what we'll accomplish today?
- 02:33First, I wanna give you a
- 02:35sense of how editors think.
- 02:36What works and what doesn't work in
- 02:39a scholarly submission such that you
- 02:42can apply that knowledge in your own
- 02:44and be more likely to be successful.
- 02:48Second, embracing a growth mindset,
- 02:51which is what brings us
- 02:52all into this Yes series.
- 02:53Anyway, to appreciate the
- 02:57importance of rejection.
- 02:59Rejection is painful,
- 03:00but it is unnecessary step in the
- 03:03publication world and in life.
- 03:06So I we think that publication
- 03:09is a microcosm of life in that
- 03:11in that way you will experience
- 03:13rejection no matter what.
- 03:16I'm gonna illustrate key points in organizing
- 03:19and writing a paper for submission.
- 03:21And finally I'm gonna give you
- 03:23some familiarity with a couple,
- 03:26four or five useful software
- 03:28applications that are quite handy,
- 03:31if not life saving when
- 03:33writing a scholarly paper.
- 03:35So those are the learning objectives.
- 03:37My outline is pretty straightforward.
- 03:39We're going to start with writing.
- 03:41So preparing A manuscript,
- 03:45second, submitting your work,
- 03:48dear editor, and finally the Charles
- 03:51and tribulations of a paper.
- 03:52What happens in the process of revision,
- 03:56rejection and beyond,
- 03:57and seeing this as just part of
- 04:00the life cycle of a publication.
- 04:05So that's a menu.
- 04:06So let's get started one writing a
- 04:09manuscript, preparing it for submission.
- 04:12And what I'll do here is talk about
- 04:15the mechanics, but also something that
- 04:17probably we don't talk enough about,
- 04:18which is the mentalnix.
- 04:20I invented that word and I'm a psychiatrist.
- 04:22I'd like to think about these things.
- 04:24Forgive me of getting started,
- 04:26but I actually think that the mental
- 04:29element of writing is critical in ways
- 04:32that it's critical for elite athletes.
- 04:35If your brain is not in the game,
- 04:37it doesn't matter how good your technique is.
- 04:40So what do I mean by these mental mix?
- 04:43So this is the photograph
- 04:44that we took of you. Yes, you.
- 04:46And we caught you the other day.
- 04:48And this is what you look like when your
- 04:51chair or your boss or someone said, you know,
- 04:54you'd better start writing and you were like,
- 04:56what the hell? Me publish.
- 04:57Impossible. No, I can't do it.
- 04:59I'm so scared. It's terrible.
- 05:01It's terrible.
- 05:01It's terrible.
- 05:02But then when we took a panoramic view,
- 05:05this is what we saw.
- 05:06And you can see yourself in there,
- 05:09that you're not alone.
- 05:11Anyone can identify where
- 05:13that photograph was taken.
- 05:17Hold on, it's moving.
- 05:21Anyone going once, Going twice.
- 05:25OK, now you need to work up the crowd.
- 05:27Remember, I can't see them.
- 05:28I know. Well, I think that they're trying to.
- 05:31It's like kind of the worldal where
- 05:33you see a a screen view and then
- 05:35you have to guess a country and
- 05:37then you see how far away you are.
- 05:40There's a big hint and a flag.
- 05:42Is this in Mexico City? Yes.
- 05:43And the winner is Chelsea. Chelsea.
- 05:47Yeah, that's Mexico City. El.
- 05:50So, Carlo, the flag of Mexico,
- 05:51And why did I put in Mexico City?
- 05:54Because that's where I come from.
- 05:55That's my native city.
- 05:56So my me and my 25,000,000 best
- 05:59friends welcome you there.
- 06:00Anytime voted best travel
- 06:02destination of the world,
- 06:04actually by the New York Times.
- 06:05It's wonderful.
- 06:06Anyway, you see,
- 06:08all of those people are afraid of publishing
- 06:10and they're having a support group
- 06:13because everybody is afraid to publish.
- 06:15So we could spend the whole
- 06:16time talking about this.
- 06:17I won't do that,
- 06:19but I will share something that,
- 06:20to me was a little bit of an epiphany.
- 06:24And that is it.
- 06:25In this day and age,
- 06:26all of us are spending lots of time on
- 06:29the computer keyboard on the right.
- 06:33And for some,
- 06:35especially those who were born
- 06:37before whatever year it was,
- 06:40those who are computer natives.
- 06:43Computer natives tend to think
- 06:45really well on a keyboard,
- 06:47and that's why you see young people
- 06:49taking notes all over the place.
- 06:51And some of you may not be quite so
- 06:52young and you do it, and God bless.
- 06:54But what I found is that for
- 06:57some of us of a certain age,
- 06:59I was born in 1966.
- 07:02I didn't see a computer till my 20s,
- 07:05and I learned all my thinking skills
- 07:08on the left with coffee and a pad of paper.
- 07:13And that's how I think,
- 07:14and it took me a long time,
- 07:16well into my time here at Yale,
- 07:19to realize that some of the
- 07:22writer's block or the difficulty
- 07:25with writing simply had to do
- 07:27with the instrument that I used.
- 07:28Once I moved to writing back again
- 07:31with pen on paper and then translating
- 07:34that into computer text by dictating
- 07:37it into some software that transcribe,
- 07:40my productivity just went sky high.
- 07:42And now I do everything that way
- 07:45because I found that not only
- 07:47hadn't I not learned the skills,
- 07:49but I wonder whether I have some
- 07:51kind of disability in I definitely
- 07:52have a disability in typing,
- 07:54for example, and I could never have
- 07:56my ideas go fast enough.
- 07:58My point here is not to
- 08:01priscillatize paper and pen,
- 08:05but rather for you to make a self
- 08:08inventory of how are you most
- 08:11comfortable writing in what place,
- 08:13in what space, in what instrument,
- 08:15Because you want to be able to
- 08:17produce in a unencumbered, fluid way.
- 08:20And it makes a huge difference.
- 08:22To me, this was absolutely transformative.
- 08:26OK, moving from the mental part,
- 08:28let's get to the mechanics.
- 08:31So
- 08:34you know when you're writing you
- 08:35need to have a good story to tell.
- 08:38You know there's no substitute for
- 08:41a good story or for good science.
- 08:44I put story here and I put it in
- 08:48the locations because your science
- 08:52will be the more readable, legible,
- 08:57sellable, engageable if it is
- 09:00told in a story like pattern.
- 09:03Obviously you don't need
- 09:05to create characters,
- 09:06but you need to tell a story.
- 09:07And we're going to go into some of the
- 09:10points that are helpful to tell a story,
- 09:13to tell a scientific story and
- 09:16that we editors look for because
- 09:19we know that we readers for them.
- 09:24So what are some of the
- 09:25things that we look for?
- 09:27So is this something new?
- 09:29Is this science new?
- 09:30And not everything needs to be super new.
- 09:32Replication is a basis of science.
- 09:34So is this a timely application?
- 09:35That's great.
- 09:38Is this true?
- 09:41Is it true?
- 09:42And once again, Dana,
- 09:45are you getting
- 09:49it's good, it's good, OK?
- 09:52Is it true? Is it internally valid?
- 09:55And note that I put true also in quotations,
- 09:58because we no matter how
- 10:00fancy scientists we are,
- 10:02we don't really own truth.
- 10:03We try to approximate truth,
- 10:06and one of the approximations is by
- 10:09paying attention to internal validity,
- 10:13to the things that make the
- 10:16machine of science the the the the
- 10:19machine of the paper do its job.
- 10:22We also looked at a different type
- 10:24of validity, external validity.
- 10:27Is it generalizable?
- 10:29Can this story be relevant
- 10:31to other than this very small
- 10:34group or sample or individuals?
- 10:37And finally, we looked at the ethics.
- 10:41In fact,
- 10:41the ethics are so important that I'm
- 10:44going to go into it in some detail later on.
- 10:47Bear in mind that editor only looks
- 10:50at your title and your abstract.
- 10:53They don't get into reading your
- 10:55whole article until much later,
- 10:56So early on in editors looking
- 10:58like a hawk of these issues.
- 11:01Novelty, internal and external validity,
- 11:05and the ethics.
- 11:06And if one of those doesn't pass muster,
- 11:09then the paper you know dies a quick death.
- 11:16So some of the elements of
- 11:18telling a story, well well,
- 11:21start with whetting the appetite of the
- 11:24reader with an engaging introduction.
- 11:27And here there actually are some
- 11:30very specific steps as to what makes
- 11:34an introduction work or not work.
- 11:37The 1st is that you start with
- 11:39stating a problem.
- 11:40This is what we know in this area of science,
- 11:44and this is as far as the sign has taken us.
- 11:48This is the background.
- 11:52But then you need to tell what is the gap,
- 11:55What is missing in that science.
- 11:58Often you will see introductions
- 12:00that go on and on and on and
- 12:02on and on about the problem,
- 12:03because they become mini literature
- 12:05reviews and you've already put your writer,
- 12:08your reader, to sleep.
- 12:10The problem should be one paragraph two.
- 12:13Maybe the gap should be one
- 12:15paragraph two maybe. So,
- 12:17in light of what we know in the literature.
- 12:21There is this particular hole,
- 12:23this gap, this is what's missing,
- 12:26and the hook is how you and your work in
- 12:29this paper are going to fill this gap.
- 12:32So this problem gap hook heuristic
- 12:36problem gap gap hook is incredibly
- 12:40valuable for the early parts of a paper,
- 12:43and I always follow them.
- 12:45And when you read your next paper,
- 12:47pay attention and see if the
- 12:50authors are doing that.
- 12:51But it already,
- 12:52as you can see,
- 12:53starts putting this story into play.
- 12:59You may have heard of the M
- 13:01rat format, We all know it,
- 13:02even if we don't know it's called that.
- 13:03But that's a introduction, methods,
- 13:07results and discussion format.
- 13:08M RAT and that's how all
- 13:11abstracts are written.
- 13:15This is just a reminder because
- 13:17one of our previous sessions was
- 13:19all about writing an abstract.
- 13:20So this is just a couple of highlights.
- 13:23But the methods now on a paper need
- 13:25to be touching on these same elements.
- 13:28Who were the folks, the individuals,
- 13:31the patients on involved in the experiment?
- 13:35What was done with them?
- 13:37To them? How was it done?
- 13:41Where was it done?
- 13:42When was it done?
- 13:43So the the basic W questions go
- 13:46into the methods and the IRB
- 13:49information back to the ethics
- 13:51also goes in the methods.
- 13:55Papers quickly sunk if there
- 13:57are questions on the IRB.
- 13:59If there's no IRB,
- 14:01there's no paper unless it
- 14:02doesn't involve human subject.
- 14:07The next part that are the results also
- 14:10have their dance steps if you will
- 14:13that are replicated from the abstract
- 14:16which is the pico mnemonic and you
- 14:19might remember this from epidemiology.
- 14:22So population exposure, comparison and or
- 14:29control outcome and time. So you know,
- 14:38just making it up here we had a group of
- 14:4620 adolescents with bipolar one disorder.
- 14:51Half of them were girls.
- 14:53We exposed half of them to a
- 14:56psychosocial intervention and the
- 14:59others to a weightless control.
- 15:01Our outcome was the measure of depression,
- 15:05XY and Z and our control group,
- 15:10the comparison group was just in the
- 15:12wait list but they didn't get the
- 15:15intervention the outcome the the result
- 15:20was X plus minus standard deviation
- 15:23compared to Y plus standard deviation and
- 15:26we did this study over X amount of time.
- 15:29So these are very basic elements,
- 15:32but in following them that this
- 15:34will start providing A rubric to
- 15:37writing a traditional database paper.
- 15:39And there should always be an echo
- 15:42between this in the results of
- 15:44your paper and in the abstract,
- 15:47and an echo of all of this
- 15:50the methods in the abstract.
- 15:52I If some of you attended,
- 15:54I'd like to to say and to think that a paper,
- 15:58an article is an extended abstract,
- 16:02an expanded abstract.
- 16:03So I highly recommend
- 16:05starting with your abstract,
- 16:07starting to put these high high
- 16:10value pieces on the puzzle,
- 16:12and once you have them you can start
- 16:15putting words and making it bigger.
- 16:17It'll be scientifically more
- 16:19sound that if you do the reverse.
- 16:22If you start with a writing the
- 16:24whole paper and then try to squeeze
- 16:26out an abstract out of it.
- 16:29Think of the abstract as a of the bones,
- 16:31as a skeleton of your paper.
- 16:33Much better,
- 16:33start with the bones and
- 16:35then start adding the flash.
- 16:39Another way of summarizing the
- 16:42M rat format is that we start
- 16:46with the title and the abstract.
- 16:48Again, this is important enough that we
- 16:50spend a whole session talking about this,
- 16:53the introduction which is the why of the
- 16:56paper and which goes with this problem gap,
- 16:59Huck method approach, the methods,
- 17:02how it was done with all those W questions,
- 17:05the results we just went over that
- 17:08in a pico format. What was found
- 17:10in the discussion is the So what?
- 17:13You know, you found that, so now what?
- 17:16The discussion is a little
- 17:18bit more freestyle.
- 17:19There isn't a nifty little
- 17:21acronym that I can give you,
- 17:24but you should strive to not be redundant.
- 17:27To summarize, to provide the gestalt,
- 17:29not to go to micro,
- 17:31Definitely not put any numbers here.
- 17:33All the numbers belong in the results
- 17:36only you want to provide a view
- 17:38of the forest and not the trees.
- 17:40And you also want to be not so neutral and
- 17:43so scientific that you don't take a stand.
- 17:45You did the hard work, so take a stand.
- 17:48You know this intervention is better
- 17:50than this intervention was not better
- 17:52than Just don't be mealy mouthed here.
- 17:54Go for it.
- 17:56Include the limitations so that
- 17:58others don't point them to you.
- 18:00First you If you point out
- 18:02our sample size was low,
- 18:04then the reviewer is going to have a harder
- 18:06time saying their sample size was low.
- 18:09When you already incorporated
- 18:10that and addressed it.
- 18:12What are your next steps?
- 18:14And try to end on a strong note.
- 18:16On a positive note,
- 18:18you know these findings tell us that Boom,
- 18:22you know,
- 18:22go for it.
- 18:23Be bold.
- 18:26As unrigid as the discussion format is,
- 18:31the references are the epitome.
- 18:36They epitomize rigidity.
- 18:37There's nothing as rigid
- 18:40as a reference list of A
- 18:44scholarly article,
- 18:46and for many of you I'm sure this
- 18:49is going to be redundant knowledge.
- 18:50For some of you it may be new,
- 18:53but in any event,
- 18:54you don't want to write a paper
- 18:56without the help of your computer,
- 18:59without the help of software
- 19:01to organize your references.
- 19:03There are three major products,
- 19:06Mendeley, Endnote, and Zotero,
- 19:08that I don't have here.
- 19:11They're all very similar.
- 19:14They're all available through the
- 19:17software library or even online for free.
- 19:20There's fancy versions that you pay for,
- 19:22but you don't really need that.
- 19:25And this is a snapshot from
- 19:27my Mendeley library in which I
- 19:29put all my different papers.
- 19:31And one of the beautiful things
- 19:33that you see is how if you
- 19:36know when you download APDF,
- 19:39it is the the the file is named
- 19:42something horrible like 13X2C3PO.
- 19:44Something makes no sense.
- 19:46And one of the things that these
- 19:48programs do is that they name your file
- 19:50exactly like they're named and they
- 19:52put all the data in the right files.
- 19:54And it makes your life much easier.
- 19:56If you haven't started a library,
- 19:58start it.
- 19:59You will never go back and you
- 20:01just accrue it over the years.
- 20:04It's simple enough to export
- 20:06references from your library to
- 20:08someone else's references to download
- 20:10them into different formats.
- 20:12It's very flexible and it's
- 20:15really a lifesaver.
- 20:17This is just to give you an idea.
- 20:18This is a paper.
- 20:19Don't worry about writing the paper,
- 20:20that's not the point.
- 20:21But you see here that the references
- 20:26383934, they are organized in
- 20:30numerical orderly fashion.
- 20:31And this is the John the
- 20:34JAMA citation format.
- 20:35And you see that it puts
- 20:37it as a nice superscript.
- 20:39So let's say that you
- 20:40sent this paper and alas,
- 20:41it was not accepted with great hosannas.
- 20:45So you revise and you send it somewhere else.
- 20:49And maybe that same paper goes
- 20:50to a journal that now asked for
- 20:53a different citation style,
- 20:54let's say the American
- 20:56Psychological Association format.
- 20:57That is a name, year style.
- 21:00And to go from this style to this
- 21:04style takes all of one second.
- 21:06You just press a button and
- 21:08it changes the formatting.
- 21:09Imagine doing that by hand.
- 21:11Or better yet,
- 21:12don't imagine it was very painful.
- 21:13So. So there you go.
- 21:17So you've prepared now your manuscript.
- 21:20It's ready.
- 21:21It's telling a story, it's organized,
- 21:23it's orderly.
- 21:24You're very proud, and you should be.
- 21:26You worked very hard to this moment.
- 21:28And now, dear editor,
- 21:31so think like an editor.
- 21:34I already mentioned that most early
- 21:36rejections are based on the abstract
- 21:38and the method section alone,
- 21:40the vast majority with the volume
- 21:44of submissions that editors get.
- 21:46We cannot possibly read the whole thing,
- 21:49so we look at the abstract,
- 21:50the methods, the title,
- 21:53but especially the abstract.
- 21:56Maybe we get to the methods and
- 21:58very quickly make an assessment.
- 22:00The abstract can tell me,
- 22:01is this well written or not?
- 22:02What is it's about?
- 22:03Maybe I need to go to the methods
- 22:05to learn a little bit more about
- 22:08how it was done and the title.
- 22:10Is this something interesting?
- 22:11Am I engaged?
- 22:12You know, the story factor,
- 22:15your introduction and your
- 22:17conclusions will really very
- 22:18rarely be read in depth early on,
- 22:21which goes to the earlier point I made.
- 22:24Start with your abstract,
- 22:25but don't leave it as an afterthought.
- 22:28Continue polishing it as you
- 22:30go because your whole paper
- 22:35destiny rides on the abstract.
- 22:37I cannot emphasize enough.
- 22:40Now we all think that publishing
- 22:42looks something like this, right?
- 22:44That these nasty editors are out to
- 22:46get you and sword you down and cut your
- 22:49head off and doing all sorts of things.
- 22:52And you know, sometimes it can feel like
- 22:53that and sometimes it can be like that,
- 22:55but more times I can.
- 22:58I see it as a growth process where the
- 23:02peer review can really enhance your
- 23:05article and you shouldn't make use of it.
- 23:08So present your way in an engaging way.
- 23:12That's something that,
- 23:13again, will help
- 23:17not only in the article itself,
- 23:19but even in the cover letter.
- 23:21Cover letters are often underappreciated,
- 23:24and we think that they're just something
- 23:26we need to do and write in a very boring,
- 23:28legalistic language.
- 23:29I encourage you to again
- 23:32take a stand and make a case.
- 23:35Dear Editor, I really hope that you
- 23:38will look favorably on this submission,
- 23:40because I have seen how much of this
- 23:43era is of interest in your journal and
- 23:46it's becoming a nascent era of science.
- 23:49Whatever you, you create a small,
- 23:52engaging Love my paper.
- 23:56Dear Editor, It's not unusual at all,
- 24:00and in fact it's something to be encouraged,
- 24:02within reason,
- 24:04to consider the editor an e-mail,
- 24:07you know, to your editor.
- 24:09I'm considering sending this.
- 24:11This is what it's like, you know,
- 24:14whatever, you know how to write an e-mail.
- 24:16What I would not do is attach your
- 24:18whole paper, your CV, your abstract,
- 24:21your childhood photographs.
- 24:22And no, it's just a simple e-mail
- 24:24and if the editor is interested,
- 24:27she will respond saying, yeah,
- 24:29please send me the abstract,
- 24:31please send me the draft or
- 24:34uploaded into the website.
- 24:37But they might tell you,
- 24:38well, thank you,
- 24:39but it's not for us.
- 24:40So I really,
- 24:42really encourage you to to think
- 24:44about approaching the editor in time.
- 24:51Don't irritate the editor.
- 24:52It's never a good idea.
- 24:53So, you know, don't dismiss obvious stuff.
- 24:56So pay attention to the
- 24:57instructions for authors you know.
- 24:58Format accordingly,
- 25:00do the right sections.
- 25:02All of that and I just mentioned.
- 25:04Avoid others pointing your limitations.
- 25:08Beat them to it by noting it in your
- 25:12discussion under a limitation section.
- 25:18If there is a
- 25:21message to this chat is be bold,
- 25:25be bold, don't hold back.
- 25:27This is your opportunity
- 25:29to get this paper in.
- 25:31So be bold from the moment
- 25:32that you approach the editor.
- 25:34Be bold in a title you know.
- 25:37Don't make it so soporific.
- 25:39Be bold in taking a stand.
- 25:42Don't be mealy mouthed.
- 25:43I think that we as scientists can
- 25:46get to be like well, on the one hand,
- 25:48on the other hand on the one.
- 25:49No take a stand.
- 25:51So be bold, darn it.
- 25:54Part of being bold is also submitting to
- 25:56places where you think you could never live.
- 25:59We're going to get to that in a second.
- 26:00So be bold.
- 26:01You know the the golden rule of
- 26:03thumb is that if you and your
- 26:05heart of heart thinks that your
- 26:07journal belongs at this level,
- 26:09submitted at this level,
- 26:11submitted up one,
- 26:13and if it gets rejected,
- 26:14maybe you win where you initially thought,
- 26:18don't pitch it down.
- 26:20That's doing yourself a disservice.
- 26:26Some of you may not be native
- 26:28Spanish speakers. I am not.
- 26:30Spanish is my native language, CI Signor.
- 26:34And it's really important to know that now
- 26:38that English is the lingua franca of science,
- 26:42that you don't have to be
- 26:44a a native English speaker.
- 26:46You know, born and bred in London and
- 26:48going to Eton College in order to write.
- 26:50We can all do it. So, couple of pointers.
- 26:53Can someone outside of your field
- 26:55understand what you're trying to convey?
- 26:57That's a very good idea.
- 26:59The the, the grandma approach.
- 27:00You know, can your grandma understand
- 27:02the basics of what you're saying?
- 27:04Or your roommate, or your friend,
- 27:06or someone outside of your lab?
- 27:08That is good.
- 27:09That won't tell you
- 27:09anything about the science,
- 27:10but it's going to tell you about
- 27:13the legibility of the paper.
- 27:15If English is not your native language,
- 27:18is there someone in your team who
- 27:20you can approach and hear?
- 27:21You know, it's easy.
- 27:23There's lots of English speakers.
- 27:25There's some consideration to
- 27:27professional polishing services.
- 27:28You you could submit the article somewhere
- 27:30and they can Polish it and make it pretty.
- 27:32In my experience they're the the
- 27:36juice is not worth the squeeze.
- 27:38They're probably more expensive
- 27:39than what they get,
- 27:40but they are out there and when
- 27:43we get to one of the software's
- 27:45I'll give you some ideas.
- 27:48This also makes me think as we
- 27:51talk about international science
- 27:53that there are ways of getting
- 27:57science or in publishing science,
- 27:59even if you have limited resources.
- 28:02So let me start with the good news.
- 28:05This is a map from a consortium
- 28:07called Henari.
- 28:08I can't remember what the acronym stands for,
- 28:11but these are low income
- 28:13countries around the world.
- 28:15And from all of those countries,
- 28:18through this Henari supported by WHO you
- 28:22can get access to every single journal,
- 28:24you essentially get like the Yale Library
- 28:27at your fingertips, but through WHO.
- 28:30So that's very good.
- 28:32That is as a user you can get the science.
- 28:35It's still being worked out,
- 28:36but some of there's some overlap
- 28:39between these countries if you want
- 28:42to submit and publish and a lot of
- 28:45publishing these days is Open Access
- 28:47as we'll talk about that there can be
- 28:50reduced or no fees for submitting.
- 28:52So it's a good resource to know about.
- 28:55As I say,
- 28:56particularly for those of you who have
- 28:59collaborations outside of the US and
- 29:02particularly in low income countries,
- 29:10we're still thinking, we're still in
- 29:12the part of submitting the paper and
- 29:14what do you need to think about South?
- 29:18Very importantly, we need to
- 29:20adhere to ethical principles.
- 29:21And this may sound, well, I'm very
- 29:25ethical and I know you're very ethical.
- 29:27But ethicality raises all sorts of issues.
- 29:31So conflict of interest, of course,
- 29:34has gotten a lot of attention.
- 29:36Financial conflict of interest in particular,
- 29:40redundant publication.
- 29:42So salami slicing, you know,
- 29:44you have a big study and you could
- 29:45have told the story in two papers,
- 29:47but you did 100 papers.
- 29:49Anyone know what LPU is?
- 29:52If not, Doctor Dunn will tell us.
- 29:54But anyone again, I can't see you,
- 30:00Dana LPUI don't know if I know
- 30:02what that is.
- 30:04Well, see, This is why you come to
- 30:06yes exclamation learn stuff, right?
- 30:07So now you learned that LPU
- 30:10is least publishable unit.
- 30:12So that's the tendency to try to squeeze
- 30:15out many unnecessary small little
- 30:18papers just to get a publication,
- 30:21which doesn't help the science and
- 30:24ultimately doesn't help your CV.
- 30:25So it it it's important to know that many,
- 30:29many, many studies yield more than one paper,
- 30:33but you need to be mindful of
- 30:35how many is many,
- 30:36and there's such a thing as too many.
- 30:40Use sensitive use of language is a
- 30:43big bugaboo for me. In particular,
- 30:44I'm a child psychiatrist and I'm very
- 30:48irritated when I read words like the
- 30:52schizophrenic mother or the, I don't know,
- 30:57the cirrhotic or alcoholic person
- 31:00because they then become secondary
- 31:03characters to their disease, right?
- 31:06So if you're going to talk about
- 31:09those individuals, I encourage you
- 31:11to always use person first language.
- 31:13The man with schizophrenia,
- 31:15not the schizophrenic man,
- 31:17the man with cirrhosis or alcoholism,
- 31:20not the alcoholic or cirrhotic man,
- 31:22et cetera. And fraudulent research,
- 31:26you know, just making it up is something
- 31:29that hopefully none of us will will see.
- 31:31But to be aware of
- 31:35something quite regularly
- 31:37seen as authorship issues,
- 31:40authorship, vagaries.
- 31:40Am I the first author?
- 31:42Are you the second author?
- 31:43Are you the third author?
- 31:44And I mean, the key thing to know
- 31:47here is really address it openly
- 31:50in words coming out of your mouth
- 31:53and your colleagues not don't
- 31:55make any assumptions and try to
- 31:58put it into paper and say this
- 32:01is your there's an understanding.
- 32:03Now if along the way it turns out that
- 32:06Dana ended up doing most of the work,
- 32:08it would be very appropriate to say,
- 32:10OK, Dana, you know, you're right,
- 32:12you did most of the work.
- 32:12So now you become the first author
- 32:14and I become the second author.
- 32:16So in in other words,
- 32:16it it's a fluid, iterative thing.
- 32:19It's not sealed in stone.
- 32:22The other thing that's very helpful to
- 32:24know here is our friend the asterisk.
- 32:27Our friend the asterisk has
- 32:29solved many of you know problems.
- 32:32So anyone what is an asterisk
- 32:35in in an authorship order?
- 32:42Go first, go last. I'm sorry,
- 32:46like Co first author or Cole asterisk?
- 32:49Exactly. Yes. Yep.
- 32:50So shared authorship,
- 32:51shared authorship and shared
- 32:52authorship is really, really important.
- 32:55Basic scientists are much more
- 32:58familiar with it and often will use it.
- 33:01But we should really be aware of it
- 33:04that even though it was Dunn and Martin,
- 33:08they were if there's an asterisk,
- 33:10equal credit or the other way around,
- 33:13that's very, very important.
- 33:15It's usually used for first authors,
- 33:17but it can also be done for Co last authors.
- 33:20And it can be helpful in
- 33:23in dissipating tension,
- 33:24because if you don't dissipate the tension,
- 33:28this is such a common problem that
- 33:30you end up first going to your boss.
- 33:32You know, while Dana doesn't want to
- 33:35show doesn't want it, let's just do it.
- 33:36You know, Dana really didn't want
- 33:38to be my didn't want to share.
- 33:40I thought I was first.
- 33:41She thought she was first.
- 33:42She didn't want to do the
- 33:44asterisk thing because you know,
- 33:45she's Dana and you know her.
- 33:46So then I say Dana, you know what?
- 33:48You and I cannot solve this.
- 33:50So we're going to go to our boss,
- 33:51we're going to go to Janet Hafler,
- 33:54and we're going to talk to Janet.
- 33:55And even after we went,
- 33:57we couldn't solve it.
- 33:58So then Janet said it's it's beyond me,
- 34:01guys, I can't solve it.
- 34:02You guys couldn't solve it.
- 34:04I think that you need to go to to
- 34:07the Dean's office and the Dean.
- 34:09Dean Brown wouldn't be the person
- 34:12dealing with this directly.
- 34:14But Dean Brown has an an
- 34:18associate Dean.
- 34:19I I I forget the exact title of it.
- 34:22My my, my chair. Actually Linda Mays
- 34:24holds this position where you would
- 34:27go in and you would say you know,
- 34:29she said, he said what do you think?
- 34:32And it's resolved.
- 34:33Obviously you never want to
- 34:35end up in that office, right?
- 34:37You want to solve it yourself,
- 34:39which is why I'm saying we solved it early.
- 34:42A very similar thing might happen if,
- 34:45for example, we submitted a paper and
- 34:49it was Dana Dunn and Andres Martin,
- 34:54and Andres Martin saw this and said,
- 34:55you know that Dana Dunn,
- 34:56she didn't give me credit.
- 34:58I'm so upset.
- 34:59So I write to my boss,
- 35:02I write to the Dean, I write to whatever.
- 35:04And then it becomes a big issue because
- 35:06there is an investigation to find out
- 35:09what happened here and to make it right.
- 35:11What I'm showing you here, Dana.
- 35:13We're friends, You know?
- 35:14I love you. I appreciate you.
- 35:15But you're my, you know,
- 35:17foil today.
- 35:17So,
- 35:20Dana, did she run away?
- 35:22No. I'm fine with your being your foil.
- 35:24OK, good. Thank you.
- 35:26So this this screenshot is from COPE,
- 35:29the Committee on Publication Ethics.
- 35:32It's another very helpful
- 35:34website to know about.
- 35:36It is put together by editors of all
- 35:37the top journals around the world.
- 35:39It's based in London,
- 35:41but it's all online.
- 35:42And the idea is that if you are not sure,
- 35:46you say, you know,
- 35:47I didn't like how this was handled.
- 35:50You can go here and find all these
- 35:53flow charts and there are flow charts
- 35:55about problems in order of authorship,
- 35:58plagiarism, self plagiarism,
- 36:03unnecessary publications.
- 36:04There's a whole world out there.
- 36:07So it it's something helpful to know about.
- 36:10And just for you to know that
- 36:11there is this special advice.
- 36:13Special Advisor to the Dean is
- 36:14the name of the title someone who
- 36:16deals with all of these issues.
- 36:22What about plagiarism and self plagiarism?
- 36:24Well, I have to say that the world has
- 36:27changed and I think in general for the
- 36:30better, but it's a little bit scary.
- 36:33And that is that when you submit
- 36:37a manuscript to 99% of journals,
- 36:40the very first thing the journal will do
- 36:43is put it through a plagiarism detector,
- 36:45software that will identify issues
- 36:49and it will identify plagiarism,
- 36:51but it will also identify self plagiarism
- 36:54and it will give you a report.
- 36:57There are several on the user side.
- 36:59On the author side,
- 37:00there's several things that you can consider.
- 37:03And I'm showing you here Grammarly,
- 37:04which is a particularly useful 1.
- 37:08The Grammarly that you can get for
- 37:10free can help you with language use,
- 37:13with sentence, with grammar.
- 37:15That's great,
- 37:16but the Grammarly that you pay for,
- 37:17and it's not super expensive,
- 37:19it's maybe $100 a year gives you,
- 37:22you know, it identifies the writing
- 37:24issues like the other ones,
- 37:25but as you can see,
- 37:26it identifies plagiarism.
- 37:27So this particular manuscript had a 16%,
- 37:30which sounds scary, but in fact it isn't.
- 37:35The usual number that we worry about
- 37:38is above 25%, because that 16%
- 37:41includes things like references,
- 37:44references like titles, etcetera.
- 37:45This is the kind of things that
- 37:48it does with your language,
- 37:49clarity, you know, passive voice,
- 37:51misuse of very, very common,
- 37:53wordy sentences,
- 37:55etcetera.
- 37:56This is an example from a paper of
- 37:58mine in which this sentence was
- 38:01picked up as potentially plagiarized,
- 38:03picked up from this article.
- 38:05And in fact the article is about an
- 38:08instrument about climate change,
- 38:10and we use language verbatim.
- 38:12But it was good to know.
- 38:13And what we did is that we added quotations,
- 38:15what's We added quotations on both
- 38:17sides and that solved the problem.
- 38:20I'm sorry, my slides are jumping around.
- 38:21Hold on
- 38:24similarly about the other one.
- 38:26And note the number here, 3:44 and 3:45.
- 38:29This means that Grammarly identified 345 and
- 38:32counting issues on a paper that I thought
- 38:35that I thought was completely ready to go.
- 38:37So you can learn a lot as you can see for
- 38:40both the grammar but also being mindful of
- 38:43when you may be self plagiarizing yourself.
- 38:46And it's very scary.
- 38:47That's happened to me now twice that
- 38:50a journal comes back to me and says,
- 38:52you know, we're concerned
- 38:53because the score was whatever.
- 38:55And I went back and I saw
- 38:57that it was mostly references,
- 38:58mostly methods,
- 38:59and I was able to to change it.
- 39:02Methods can really count
- 39:04towards the plagiarism.
- 39:09OK, last part, the trials and tribulations
- 39:13of a paper that has been submitted.
- 39:17So let's learn from rejections.
- 39:20Rejections come in two main flavors.
- 39:21There's a quick one which
- 39:23generally has to do with the fit,
- 39:26the fit of your paper. In this germ,
- 39:29you usually don't get feedback.
- 39:31It's called a desk rejection sometimes,
- 39:34and you know you don't make a big
- 39:35deal out of it other than, well,
- 39:36maybe I didn't pick the right turn.
- 39:40The other rejection is a slow rejection,
- 39:42the one that takes several
- 39:43weeks to a couple of months.
- 39:45And those rejections usually
- 39:46have to do more with the content,
- 39:48with the science, with the writing.
- 39:51And even though it's rejected,
- 39:54they come with feedback.
- 39:55And they come with a lot of feedback
- 39:57that you should really take into account.
- 39:59Doesn't mean that you need to
- 40:01slavishly adhere to everything
- 40:02that the feedback does.
- 40:04Not every feedback is good,
- 40:06but there's a lot to be learned.
- 40:08So before you send it to the next journal,
- 40:11see what from this rejection can
- 40:13you address That will improve
- 40:15your paper and that's what will
- 40:18strengthen the paper throughout the
- 40:20process of submission and rejection.
- 40:24The great writer by the name
- 40:26of Snoopy knows a lot about
- 40:29about this and he wrote this.
- 40:35So dear contributor,
- 40:36the letter comes to Snoopy.
- 40:39Thank you so much for submitting
- 40:41your story to our magazine.
- 40:45To save time, we are
- 40:48enclosing 2 rejection slips,
- 40:501 for this story and one for
- 40:52the next story you send us.
- 40:54And that's what it can feel like.
- 40:56That no matter what you do,
- 40:58you're being rejected and rejected.
- 41:00But rejection really strengthens you.
- 41:04So what now? What now?
- 41:07If you've been invited to
- 41:10revise and resubmit,
- 41:11that is fantastic.
- 41:17You know
- 41:20respond to reviewers comments
- 41:24in a way that makes sense.
- 41:27Writing a review letter or a revision
- 41:29letter is one of the intellectually
- 41:32most challenging parts of writing,
- 41:34because you really need to be
- 41:36all in and engaged and remember,
- 41:38you don't want to blow it.
- 41:39You're halfway there.
- 41:40They're inviting you to revise,
- 41:42You're showing interest.
- 41:43Most revise and resubmit
- 41:44letters end up being published.
- 41:47So don't screw it up
- 41:51what I do. So, you know,
- 41:52never take decision letters personally.
- 41:54Be civil and proactive
- 41:55and stick to the facts.
- 41:57And what I always do is that I start
- 42:01with language that's something like this.
- 42:04I really thank them,
- 42:05thank them, thank them.
- 42:07I tell them that I pasted their letter.
- 42:13We we include our responses
- 42:15interspersed with your decision letter.
- 42:16So the entire letter that
- 42:18they send out is there,
- 42:20but it's very clear in blue letters.
- 42:21What are the changes that you're making?
- 42:24In the revised manuscript itself,
- 42:26you also indicated, and you know,
- 42:28I use that yellow highlight.
- 42:30So however you do it,
- 42:31make it easy on the editor to see
- 42:35the changes and let them know
- 42:36that you are in agreement that
- 42:39that you are being responsive.
- 42:40So the words are not important here,
- 42:42but my point is that the black letters
- 42:45are from the decision letter and the
- 42:47blue letters are from my response letter.
- 42:49So my response letters are really
- 42:51long and have a lot of blue ink.
- 42:54Now, you don't have to agree with everything.
- 42:57If you don't agree and they
- 42:58didn't get something you say,
- 43:00well, you know,
- 43:01we respectfully disagree because XY and Z,
- 43:04you just stick to the facts.
- 43:07All right, So that was a what to next?
- 43:10What about the where to next?
- 43:13You know, balance your ambition.
- 43:15New England Journal of Medicine with realism.
- 43:17You know, whatever it might be,
- 43:19prioritize how visible,
- 43:21timely your science is.
- 43:25Think globally, but act locally.
- 43:26Not everything needs to go to global
- 43:29publications and regional publications
- 43:31can be very very important in smaller and
- 43:34sub sub speciality journals are right.
- 43:36Don't just think about the impact factor,
- 43:39think of who this will reach and how it will
- 43:44reach and how long can your findings wait.
- 43:47I mean, maybe you're set
- 43:48on publishing in Science,
- 43:49but that might take a couple of years.
- 43:52Maybe you can think of something else
- 43:54and get something on your CV early on,
- 43:56especially if you need it as an
- 43:58assistant professor early on.
- 43:59For example,
- 44:04Open Access journals I mentioned are
- 44:07good and they're increasingly available,
- 44:09and I wouldn't be surprised if some
- 44:10years from now they were the majority
- 44:12of journals and Open Access journal.
- 44:14Just as a reminder, you, the author,
- 44:17need to pay for the publication
- 44:20once the paper is accepted.
- 44:23The fees vary, but are usually around $2000.
- 44:29But there's also for every
- 44:30good Open Access journal.
- 44:31There are now many predatory publications.
- 44:34Just today I've received,
- 44:36I kid you not 6 invitations to
- 44:39send to some obscure journal
- 44:40I've never heard about.
- 44:42So you need to be mindful,
- 44:43especially around Open Access,
- 44:47that they're legit and not
- 44:49predatory publications.
- 44:52Preprint servers I'll give you.
- 44:54I'll show you an example,
- 44:55but in many journals,
- 44:57both traditional and Open Access,
- 44:59as soon as you upload your paper and
- 45:02you send it to a review process,
- 45:04that will take several months,
- 45:06At the same time,
- 45:08it can be submitted to a preprint server.
- 45:11Always take that option when you want.
- 45:13You can also just upload
- 45:14to a preprint server.
- 45:16A preprint server makes your PDF
- 45:19available and findable and it gives it
- 45:22a DOI right away so that you don't need
- 45:25to wait time for the science to show.
- 45:28How do you find a publication then you other
- 45:31than the five or ten journals you know.
- 45:33These are two websites
- 45:35that I highly recommend.
- 45:37This one is through the library,
- 45:41you can find it.
- 45:42MJL is medical journal list and you
- 45:48tap in here, you know your topic,
- 45:52your abstract and it'll give
- 45:53you matches for journals.
- 45:55Another very widely available
- 45:57one is called Jane,
- 45:58which is journal author name.
- 46:01What is it in count estimator
- 46:04and it's quite remarkable.
- 46:05What I did here is put the title You can
- 46:09see part of the title Embracing Languages,
- 46:11Patient Simulation.
- 46:12You can't see the whole title,
- 46:14but it includes the words qualitative,
- 46:16psychiatry,
- 46:17those kind of keywords and in two seconds.
- 46:20This is a list of journals that I have
- 46:23that go from really great ideas like BMJ,
- 46:27Medical Education that probably I
- 46:28wouldn't have thought about to one
- 46:30that is not a good match for me,
- 46:32like the Pan African Medical Journal.
- 46:34Probably not good.
- 46:35So there's a range,
- 46:37but then you can evaluate which
- 46:39ones are available,
- 46:40which ones are Open Access,
- 46:42etcetera,
- 46:43etcetera.
- 46:43So very helpful tool.
- 46:48To give you an idea, this is a paper
- 46:53we submitted close to two years ago.
- 46:57And you see research Square
- 46:59is a preprint server.
- 47:00So the the journal immediately
- 47:02send it to this preprint server,
- 47:04it's not typeset, it's APDF and you see
- 47:10that it says it is not peer reviewed
- 47:12to take with a grain of salt, etcetera.
- 47:15But in this preprint server we submitted
- 47:19in July of 2022 and you see that
- 47:21on that very day when we submitted,
- 47:23we already have something that's findable,
- 47:25ADOI and sorry, sorry.
- 47:31And then after review,
- 47:33it was the next version which was you know,
- 47:37six months later and eventually
- 47:39when it was published in April.
- 47:41So it's almost a year ahead
- 47:44of when it was published.
- 47:47So preprint servers are very,
- 47:48very helpful.
- 47:50My last point is that there are
- 47:53other doors in two journals.
- 47:55It's not all scientific articles,
- 47:58so you know you want to try to keep on
- 48:01writing because writing begets writing.
- 48:03Volunteers, A reviewer or don't turn
- 48:05down offers when they come your way.
- 48:08They will help you be a better writer,
- 48:10a better critic of your own work.
- 48:13Letters to the editor and miscellaneous
- 48:15pieces will teach you something.
- 48:17I am a huge, huge fan of book reviews.
- 48:20I wrote many book reviews that then led to
- 48:24my being a book review editor of a journal.
- 48:26Then that led me to being the journal,
- 48:28the editor in chief of that journal.
- 48:31So book reviews are a way
- 48:32of engaging with the topic,
- 48:34of getting a feel for what publishing is,
- 48:36picking up a topic that's of your interest.
- 48:38So I could go on and on.
- 48:42And not all stories have the
- 48:44traditional format that I've mentioned.
- 48:46For example, qualitative science,
- 48:48which is my main interest,
- 48:50doesn't quite fit everything that we said.
- 48:53But the point is that there
- 48:54are many ways of writing,
- 48:58so finally, just do it.
- 49:00Life is filled with reasons to procrastinate,
- 49:03look to be polished, but not perfect.
- 49:04The perfect is the enemy of the good.
- 49:06And going back to the prophet Snoopy,
- 49:08he he knew what I've told you,
- 49:10you know, good writing is hard work.
- 49:13It's hard work, but it's really,
- 49:15really worthwhile.
- 49:16In this last slide,
- 49:19if you're interested to use AQR code,
- 49:21it will take you to these two
- 49:23very short articles, very,
- 49:24very short articles that I did
- 49:26in a small publication.
- 49:291 is what we talked about,
- 49:30pointers to get your work published in the
- 49:33academic literature and the other revisits
- 49:35what we talked about some weeks ago,
- 49:37which is tips to help you
- 49:40write an effective abstract.
- 49:42And I think that with that,
- 49:43what I'm going to do is
- 49:47point this and maybe Linda,
- 49:49if you don't mind putting this in the
- 49:51chat because I want to stop the share
- 49:53so that I can see if there's any faces.
- 49:55I I I'm going on faith that there are.
- 49:57So we really appreciate
- 49:58and there's also some questions in
- 50:00the chat that we'll ask and good,
- 50:01good, I'm going to stop the chat.
- 50:02Let's give people a minute to do
- 50:05that survey. So I don't want to
- 50:11distract people from doing the survey,
- 50:13but there's a few questions.
- 50:21And if the timer's gone, the timer's,
- 50:26I feel like 45 seconds has passed. Are
- 50:31you still seeing, are you still
- 50:33seeing my slides? No. All
- 50:38right. The evaluation is in the
- 50:39the chat for people who didn't
- 50:41catch the catch it before is,
- 50:47is Deb Levy still on?
- 50:48She had a really good question about
- 50:50the tension between potentially
- 50:53plagiarisms and research methods.
- 50:58I am still here. I can come on camera too.
- 51:01I'm in my informal writing mode,
- 51:03so responding to her an article review.
- 51:09So I was asking to speak to the the
- 51:11methods I'm more involved in some work
- 51:14that like I'm finding that there's so
- 51:16much terminology that comes you know,
- 51:18like we're doing a scoping review
- 51:20and you talk about like there's
- 51:21two sentences just to say prisma,
- 51:23scoping review, whatever.
- 51:24You know, I'm, I'm expanding a little,
- 51:27but how do you balance the need to
- 51:30be standardized and show your rigor
- 51:33and your methodology and cite all of
- 51:36these sources and the articles with
- 51:38the risk that if you hit a certain
- 51:41number of words and sentences,
- 51:42you might be triggered on a
- 51:44plagiarism kind of thing,
- 51:46even if it's
- 51:46cited, of course. Yeah. Thanks, Deb.
- 51:48I think that Grammarly is fantastic because
- 51:51let's say that you put the sentence,
- 51:54you know, we use Scopus for
- 51:56it and it would flag it as.
- 51:59Now the beautiful thing is that
- 52:02if you put we use Scopus for X,
- 52:05if you just change the order or
- 52:07the small wording and keep Scopus,
- 52:09the plagiarism goes away and it will
- 52:13show you you can rerun it and it'll
- 52:14you know you see it going down.
- 52:16So a lot of these plagiarism and
- 52:18self plagiarism issues are are
- 52:19kind of innocent things that you
- 52:21wouldn't think about.
- 52:22So that's good, very helpful Grammarly.
- 52:28Thanks Sans.
- 52:31There was a the number of questions
- 52:32in the chat that had to do with
- 52:34getting some of the resources.
- 52:35But I think people now have links to Jane.
- 52:37They have links to they could have
- 52:38a couple of ideas of where they can
- 52:41go and put their names in or there
- 52:44are articles and get H factors.
- 52:47Anybody else have a question
- 52:48that I might not be seeing,
- 52:49please feel free to. I did
- 52:52not talk by the way about H
- 52:55factors or impact factors.
- 52:57I kind of Pooh poohed them
- 52:58a little bit and I and I do.
- 52:59But if you're really interested
- 53:01to know which are the ranked
- 53:02journals for your specialty,
- 53:04that's something that again in
- 53:07the website through it'll come
- 53:09to me exactly what it's called.
- 53:13But there's a place where you can put
- 53:15tell me the top ranked in psychiatry
- 53:17and child psychiatry, etcetera.
- 53:18And since I'm forgetting right now,
- 53:20clearly this is a good time to
- 53:21put a plug for our incredible,
- 53:23incredible librarians.
- 53:24If you ask a librarian by an e-mail,
- 53:29you'll have the answer in five seconds.
- 53:30I mean, they are just incredible.
- 53:33And they'll remember exactly
- 53:34what's a website if you then
- 53:36want to go and look at it.
- 53:38And they've been very
- 53:39helpful in the chat too.
- 53:40I really appreciate it.
- 53:41There's a question also about
- 53:42how to choose the final author
- 53:44if there's any principles. Yep.
- 53:48Yeah, so. So the general rule of thumb
- 53:50is that the first author is a person
- 53:53who does the bulk of the writing and
- 53:57takes the ownership of the writing.
- 54:00And the general rule of thumb is
- 54:03that the senior author is the person
- 54:06who supported it, that supported it.
- 54:08Not just by paying and being invisible,
- 54:12but by really being engaged and
- 54:14putting their hands in the dirt.
- 54:16You know, you, the 1st and the last
- 54:18author need to have their hands in
- 54:20the dirt of the paper and and at some
- 54:24point in professional development,
- 54:25for those of you who are early
- 54:27in your career,
- 54:28early on you want to be a first author.
- 54:29It's like the greatest thing in the world.
- 54:32At some point,
- 54:33the last thing in the world you want to be,
- 54:35you want to be the last author because
- 54:37you want to see those young people shine
- 54:39as they do and you want to be supportive.
- 54:41But it's one of those ethical things
- 54:43that if someone says, oh, you know,
- 54:44since I paid for it and I'm the chairman,
- 54:47I'm going to be no.
- 54:49And that's when it, you know, gets tricky.
- 54:51That person might be the 5th
- 54:53sandwich whatever author.
- 54:54But
- 54:56there's a question about what makes a
- 54:59journal predatory and how to identify.
- 55:01Like are there lists of.
- 55:03Yeah, yeah. No it's it's very,
- 55:06so you got to be careful.
- 55:07I I think that you want to go
- 55:09and look very carefully at the
- 55:11journal to see that it's legit
- 55:13that it has a couple of volumes.
- 55:15If it's volume one, number one,
- 55:18probably don't submit there.
- 55:21If it is associated with a
- 55:24reputable publishing house,
- 55:25Springer or whatever,
- 55:26you know you're feeling good and
- 55:30you can just Google and say you
- 55:33know is JAMA a reputable journal
- 55:35is whatever a reputable journal,
- 55:37and it'll it'll tell you
- 55:41what's your experience been with
- 55:44various AI editing services.
- 55:45I've seen a new one from
- 55:47Springer Nature with Curie.
- 55:50I played around with it with a
- 55:52manuscript the other day and it
- 55:53seemed to give some helpful advice,
- 55:55but I'm just wondering if things like that
- 55:57and tools like that have been helpful,
- 55:59especially for those who maybe don't
- 56:00speak English as the first language.
- 56:03Yeah. Now that's a great question
- 56:05and I I suspect a question that
- 56:07will be changing by the day by the
- 56:10day because it's getting so good.
- 56:14I but I haven't used that software.
- 56:18I don't I don't know but I suspect
- 56:20that it could be helpful especially
- 56:22to a non you know someone who's
- 56:25not very comfortable with with
- 56:27English but I I just don't know.
- 56:29I also this is not to answer your
- 56:31question but just to introduce
- 56:33another of the complications here
- 56:34in my work in qualitative methods.
- 56:37I think it's just a matter of time between.
- 56:40AI does our data analysis in just as
- 56:46good or even a more sophisticated way,
- 56:49especially if you're looking at,
- 56:50you know, tons of transcripts.
- 56:53So you know
- 56:59and thanks for somebody, Diane.
- 57:01Put a list of where you can look up
- 57:15predatoryjournalsbealslist.netpredator.org
- 57:15itsays.net.
- 57:18Yeah. Or were you talking
- 57:20about another site, Andreas?
- 57:22No, no, that was a joke. Oh,
- 57:26OK okpredator.net I I I was waiting
- 57:28to see when the dying would drop.
- 57:34We have fun together.
- 57:36Any other questions? Any questions?
- 57:41Dana and Andreas Fortunae asked
- 57:43the question about whether
- 57:45librarians are HIPAA certified to
- 57:47help with patient data emerging.
- 57:49Need a librarians want to answer that?
- 57:55Hi, this is Janine.
- 57:56We'd like to reach out to Doctor
- 57:58Diada and do some more questions.
- 58:01Ask him a little bit more about
- 58:03what he's after and whether
- 58:04that's something that Service
- 58:06Librarian can provide or if we can
- 58:10suggest someone who might be
- 58:11able to might be able to help.
- 58:13So if that's OK. Doctor Diaz.
- 58:15Yeah. Thank you. Yeah.
- 58:17That sounds great. Thank you.
- 58:20Yeah. And big shout out to
- 58:21our friends of the librarians.
- 58:22You guys are great. So helpful
- 58:26he. And thanks for helping in the
- 58:29chat with so many resources to
- 58:32everybody and thank you Andreas.
- 58:35We appreciate everybody's feedback.
- 58:36And I'll see you in a couple of weeks for
- 58:39one of the clinical teaching sessions.
- 58:41I don't know if that that was on
- 58:42the last slide probably maybe the,
- 58:46Oh yeah, I didn't hold on. I have it
- 58:48remind people that I think it is
- 58:52teaching when time is limited.
- 58:54My bad, is that right?
- 58:57Master Adaptive.
- 58:59Oh, the Master Adaptive Learner
- 59:01is the Med End Discussion Group
- 59:02on Thursday, February 22nd.
- 59:06Anyway, we'll send emails around and
- 59:09hope to see you at the next one.
- 59:13Leave it up there. There we go.
- 59:16Teaching in the ambulatory setting.
- 59:18Otherwise also known as
- 59:19teaching kind of on the fly.
- 59:21So it's a it's a good one for for many of us.
- 59:30Thanks again, everyone. Thank you everyone.
- 59:36Thank you.