10-26 MEDG: Diversifying the Healthcare Workforce: From Students and Beyond
October 26, 2023ID10904
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- 00:04My name is Jeanette Tetro.
- 00:05I currently serve as the Vice Chief
- 00:07for Education for the section of
- 00:10General Internal Medicine and our
- 00:11section Delighted to come back together
- 00:13with our friends from the Center for
- 00:16Medical Education for our first GIM,
- 00:18Center for Medical Education Co
- 00:21hosted Medical Education Discussion
- 00:23Group for the academic year.
- 00:26We're thrilled to welcome GIMS
- 00:29own Doctor Benjamin Imba who
- 00:32will be speaking with us today.
- 00:34Doctor Hoffler's going to give him a much
- 00:37more extensive interview or introduction.
- 00:39Excuse me,
- 00:39we could probably talk the whole time
- 00:41and all he's accomplished but he
- 00:43serves as the Vice Chair of Diversity,
- 00:45Equity and Inclusion for the Department
- 00:47of Internal Medicine and the Graduate
- 00:49Medical Education Director for Diversity,
- 00:52Equity and Inclusion as well
- 00:55as Associate DIO for our GME.
- 00:59So before I turn the podium over to
- 01:02Doctor Haffler just wanted for planning
- 01:04purposes make sure you mark your calendars.
- 01:07There will be another Med Ed
- 01:10discussion group which will take
- 01:11place on December 14th which is
- 01:13going to focus on ChatGPT and where
- 01:16it belongs in medical education.
- 01:18And then our next Co hosted session
- 01:21will be January 25th of 2024 led by
- 01:26Doctor Elizabeth Gaufberg from Harvard.
- 01:28And our last Co hosted session will
- 01:31be led by GIMS own Doctor Nathan
- 01:34Wood and that'll focus on culinary
- 01:37medicine and the future of nutrition
- 01:40education that will occur on March 28th.
- 01:43One last announcement,
- 01:44please don't forget to fill out
- 01:46your climate survey.
- 01:48I want to make sure we have
- 01:50great participation in that and
- 01:51that your voices are heard.
- 01:53So I'm going to turn it over
- 01:54to Doctor Hoffler.
- 01:57Hi, welcome everybody.
- 01:58I'm thrilled to be able to do
- 02:01the joint session together.
- 02:03Sorry if there's a little bit
- 02:04of noise in the background.
- 02:05I'm. I'm at a meeting.
- 02:06So Doctor Amba graduated from the College
- 02:09of Medicine of the University of Lagos,
- 02:11Nigeria and completed his internal
- 02:14medicine residency in the UK.
- 02:16But then he completed a second I
- 02:19am residency and served as chief
- 02:21resident at Cook County in Chicago.
- 02:24And before joining Yale, Dr.
- 02:27Amba was the associate chair of
- 02:29medicine for faculty development
- 02:30in medicine at Cook County,
- 02:31and he was a professor of medicine
- 02:34also at Rush Medical College.
- 02:36And when you look at what your
- 02:38career has contributed to the world,
- 02:40it's just been amazing.
- 02:41And I'm so thrilled that you're here
- 02:43at Yale with us because you really
- 02:46we talked about clinical education,
- 02:47diversity, equity,
- 02:48inclusion advocacy and it's
- 02:50mainly been in the GME space.
- 02:53And I really appreciate your
- 02:55work and residency program and
- 02:57faculty development Qi work.
- 03:00And now really what you're addressing
- 03:02today as we work together on this
- 03:05developmental longitudinal approach
- 03:07for our UME faculty and health
- 03:10professionals who teach medical
- 03:12students and PAS and are nursing
- 03:14all the way through the GME.
- 03:16So welcome and thank you so much and
- 03:20I'm thrilled to pass it over to you now,
- 03:22Ben.
- 03:23Yes, thank you, Janet,
- 03:24for the kind introduction and
- 03:26the opportunity to speak.
- 03:28I'm really glad to be here.
- 03:30And I'll just set about sharing my slides.
- 04:10OK Can you see my slides? Yes,
- 04:13Doctor Amba, but we're seeing
- 04:14your presenter view. OK
- 04:19Yes, go up to display settings,
- 04:22seeing the top row there.
- 04:27Yeah, it's not showing here.
- 04:29Not that. Again, One second.
- 04:52No, it's not one second.
- 04:54Let me see. Some reason it's
- 05:08OK. How's that?
- 05:11Can you share? You need to share your
- 05:13screen and then we'll see what you see.
- 05:35I'm not seeing your screen yet.
- 05:38It should come up in a second. OK
- 05:43And then the slideshow.
- 05:49Can you see the screen now? Yes.
- 05:54And is it the presenter
- 05:55view or the full view?
- 05:57It's still the presenter view.
- 06:00OK. So let let me just
- 06:02simply hide the presenter.
- 06:04How's that? There you are. OK,
- 06:06perfect. Perfect. Thank you. So,
- 06:09sure, no worries.
- 06:10So again, thank you, Janet, for the
- 06:13kind introduction and let's get started.
- 06:15So text the number on the screen to the
- 06:18number on the screen for your CME credit.
- 06:21And please don't forget to
- 06:23fill out your climate survey.
- 06:25So for today, I'll be talking about
- 06:29the scope of the I'll be covering
- 06:31the scope of the URM problem,
- 06:32challenges faced by URM faculty
- 06:35bottlenecks that URM medical students face,
- 06:38the importance of diversifying
- 06:40the healthcare workforce,
- 06:41visa visits, impact on healthcare
- 06:44outcomes and disparities,
- 06:45and strategies to increase the
- 06:47diversity of the healthcare workforce
- 06:49at the Yale School of Medicine.
- 06:50We should have time for questions
- 06:52and answers at the end.
- 06:55So the problem is the paucity of
- 06:58underrepresented in medicine,
- 06:59medical students, GME trainees,
- 07:02medical faculty, practising physicians
- 07:04and providers across the nation.
- 07:0720 years ago the AMC coined this
- 07:11definition to refer to those racial
- 07:13and ethnic populations that are
- 07:15underrepresented in the medical
- 07:17profession relative to their
- 07:18numbers in the general population.
- 07:20And so this refers to African American,
- 07:23Latino or Hispanic,
- 07:24Alaska Native or Native Americans,
- 07:26and Native Hawaiian populations.
- 07:28So though they find 20 years ago,
- 07:31it is important for us to remember that
- 07:33there there are other populations under
- 07:34represented in medicine such as low income,
- 07:37first generation to attend college,
- 07:39disabled and LGBTQ populations.
- 07:41If we just look a little bit
- 07:45more into the income situation,
- 07:48you find that the top 5% of US household
- 07:51household income quintiles account
- 07:53for 1/4 of all medical students.
- 07:56Basically,
- 07:57the top 20% of household income
- 07:59families account for more than
- 08:01half of all medical students,
- 08:03whereas the bottom 40% account
- 08:05for 15% of all medical students.
- 08:10Now when we look at the US population,
- 08:12we find that 34% of the US population
- 08:15comprises the underrepresented
- 08:17population base,
- 08:19while just 13% of medical students,
- 08:2410% of medical faculty and 13% of all
- 08:28active physicians are actually from
- 08:30the underrepresented population base.
- 08:32Half of the United States
- 08:35population is female,
- 08:3637% of active physicians are female.
- 08:41This is not just a medical doctor issued,
- 08:45this is a healthcare workforce issue.
- 08:47If you look at the breakdown
- 08:49of registered nurses you find
- 08:50that 80% are white and the same
- 08:53significant under representation of
- 08:55the groups exists amongst nurses.
- 08:57If you look at physician assistants,
- 08:59you find that 72% are white and the
- 09:03same significant under representation
- 09:05across the groups occurs there as well.
- 09:10So let's look closely at now the
- 09:13physician group and distribution
- 09:15Across the United States,
- 09:17Black or African American
- 09:21physicians make up just
- 09:236% of total physicians,
- 09:254% of medical school faculty and
- 09:277% of medical school graduates.
- 09:29Latino or Hispanic doctors
- 09:31make up 7% of all physicians,
- 09:336% of medical school faculty,
- 09:35and 6% of medical school graduates.
- 09:38The other underrepresented
- 09:40populations less than 0.5 across
- 09:43all all the domains and metrics.
- 09:47This is not a new problem.
- 09:49This is a decades long
- 09:50problem in the United States,
- 09:52just looking at the last 10 years.
- 09:54Unfortunately the four colours at
- 09:55the bottom of the graph represent
- 09:58the underrepresented group.
- 09:59This slide is for female faculty.
- 10:01Over the last 10 years,
- 10:02it's clear to see that there's
- 10:04been no significant progress
- 10:06in terms of representation.
- 10:07The same, unfortunately,
- 10:08is true for male faculty,
- 10:10where the four colours at the bottom
- 10:12represent the four underrepresented
- 10:15in medicine populations.
- 10:16So this is the last 10 years,
- 10:18and it goes on many more decades before that.
- 10:22So is change happening?
- 10:23Let's now look to our medical
- 10:25schools in the last five years and
- 10:27see if any change is happening.
- 10:29If you look at medical school
- 10:30matriculants in the last five years,
- 10:32unfortunately it's clear to see that
- 10:34there's been absolutely no significant
- 10:37change in the absolute numbers
- 10:39representation from this population base.
- 10:43Now if we look at medical schools,
- 10:48which is we are in the medical school
- 10:50system here and we look at rank
- 10:53and dice it by race and ethnicity,
- 10:55this is recent data.
- 10:56What you find is that of all the
- 10:59professors in medical schools,
- 11:01clinical and basics sciences departments,
- 11:04only 2% are black,
- 11:064% are Hispanic or Latino or
- 11:09the associate professors,
- 11:11just about 4% each for black or Latinos.
- 11:14And again,
- 11:14the other underrepresented groups
- 11:16are less than 0.5 across all ranks.
- 11:20Most of the professors and most of the
- 11:22associate professors as you can see,
- 11:23are white and then followed
- 11:25by Asian populations.
- 11:27So we have to ask ourselves then
- 11:31even why is there even worse
- 11:33representation amongst faculty
- 11:35from this underrepresented groups?
- 11:37And so at this point let's take a slight
- 11:41detail and look at the URM faculty
- 11:44experience from the URM faculty Lens.
- 11:47These authors looked at a longitudinal
- 11:49multi institutional study to look at
- 11:52race and ethnicity and how it correlates
- 11:54with success in academic medicine as is
- 11:57traditionally defined 17 year follow up.
- 12:00And what they found was significantly
- 12:03URM faculty had lower rates
- 12:05of peer review publications,
- 12:07lower rates of promotion to professor,
- 12:09and lower retention rates
- 12:11compared to white faculty.
- 12:13Interestingly,
- 12:13there was no difference in federal grants,
- 12:16senior leadership roles,
- 12:18career satisfaction and compensation
- 12:20between the URM and the and white faculty.
- 12:23So this this right here informs
- 12:27the need for deliberative
- 12:29programming to support productivity,
- 12:31academic productivity,
- 12:33and advancement for underrepresented
- 12:35in medicine faculty.
- 12:37Other authors from different institutions
- 12:39have looked at this problem,
- 12:42and I think these authors kind of
- 12:46captured the dissatisfaction and
- 12:48the disparities in their article
- 12:51titled Addressing Disparities
- 12:52in Academic Medicine.
- 12:54What of the Minority Tax?
- 12:56The minority tax has been defined
- 12:58as the tax of extra responsibilities
- 13:00placed on minority faculty in the
- 13:03name of efforts to achieve diversity.
- 13:05It's described as an under
- 13:08represented minority in medicine
- 13:10faculty responsibility disparity,
- 13:13which is evident in many areas,
- 13:16diversity efforts, racism,
- 13:17isolation, mentorship,
- 13:19clinical responsibility and promotion.
- 13:21I'll just go very briefly over
- 13:25each diversity at disparity realm.
- 13:29In terms of diversity efforts,
- 13:30more underrepresented faculty spend more
- 13:33time on DEI efforts and on community health,
- 13:37less time on research.
- 13:39And most times institutions
- 13:40do not acknowledge this for
- 13:43promotion racism disparity.
- 13:44URM faculty are exposed to
- 13:46systemic and individual racism,
- 13:48implicit and explicit,
- 13:50and racial difference in promotion,
- 13:54isolation, disparity.
- 13:55URM faculty often feel isolated culturally.
- 13:59This leads to reduce opportunities
- 14:01for collaboration or research
- 14:04outside of DI related matters,
- 14:06racial and gender concordant
- 14:08mentorship is lacking for URM faculty,
- 14:10who are then called upon to mentor
- 14:13URM mentees without having had the
- 14:16benefit of mentoring themselves or
- 14:19effective mentoring themselves.
- 14:22Clinical disparity.
- 14:23I've mentioned.
- 14:23URM faculty tend to spend more
- 14:26time doing community clinical
- 14:28work and engaging DEI efforts,
- 14:30and clearly there's a
- 14:32disparity in promotion rates.
- 14:33Less promotion equals to less
- 14:36salary in some institutions,
- 14:38and so we can start to understand why
- 14:42the specific challenges faced by URM
- 14:45faculty within the larger faculty body.
- 14:48So let's return to the scope of the problem.
- 14:52We left up here at academic
- 14:54rank and race and ethnicity.
- 14:56But if we actually look at
- 14:58this through a gender lens,
- 15:00what we find is that there's a
- 15:03significant male predominance,
- 15:04especially in the rank of professor,
- 15:06but also in the associate professor,
- 15:08with the exception of the
- 15:10black African American faculty.
- 15:11So on average,
- 15:13with the highest discrepancy actually
- 15:15being among white and Asian faculty,
- 15:17on average you have a 7 seven to
- 15:21three ratio of male professors
- 15:23to female professors.
- 15:26So with this understanding,
- 15:28this male discrepancy,
- 15:30what does actually medical school
- 15:34leadership look like across the country?
- 15:37Not surprisingly, it looks the same.
- 15:39If you look at all medical school
- 15:41Deans in the United States,
- 15:4373% are men, 23% are women,
- 15:45and only 13% are URM Deans.
- 15:48If you look at all medical school
- 15:51department chairs in the United States,
- 15:5377% are men.
- 15:54If you look at all,
- 15:55I'm an internist internal medicine
- 15:58and this is a collaboration
- 15:59with internal medicine.
- 16:00So if you look at all medical
- 16:02school internal medicine chairs
- 16:04in the United States,
- 16:0580% are men and 20% are women.
- 16:08The situation's actually worsen.
- 16:09Surgery, the surgery chairs,
- 16:1293% are men and 7% are are women.
- 16:16So what does leadership that the
- 16:18Yale School of Medicine look like?
- 16:21Of all the department chairs of
- 16:22the Yale School of Medicine,
- 16:2484% are men and 16% are women.
- 16:27The majority are are are white,
- 16:29with 10% Hispanic, Latino,
- 16:31and 10% black.
- 16:32So as the nation goes,
- 16:34unfortunately so does Yale go at this time.
- 16:38If we look at the Department
- 16:40of Medicine vice chairs,
- 16:4270% are men, 30% are women,
- 16:46majority white, 10% Hispanic or Latino
- 16:48and 10% black or African American.
- 16:50If you look at the Department of
- 16:53Medicine section chiefs, 82% are men,
- 16:5518% are women and 100% are are white.
- 16:59So what does the Yale Medical School
- 17:04medical student body look like actually,
- 17:06So this is matriculation
- 17:08data for the last five years.
- 17:10And actually what you find is that
- 17:12the medical school has 25 to 35%
- 17:15underrepresented in medicine minorities,
- 17:1710 to 15% first generation and 20
- 17:21to 30% international students.
- 17:26What does Connecticut and
- 17:27New Haven look like?
- 17:29So connect,
- 17:31the underrepresented in medicine
- 17:33population base comprises 31%
- 17:36of the Connecticut population,
- 17:38but it comprises 65% of the
- 17:42New Haven population.
- 17:46Now, we've talked about, we've defined
- 17:48the scope of the problem with with,
- 17:50we've defined the problem, we've defined
- 17:52the national scope of the problem.
- 17:53We've brought the looked at the numbers
- 17:56locally at Yale and the demographic
- 17:58distribution of New Haven and Connecticut.
- 18:01So what are the bottlenecks
- 18:03that URM medical students face?
- 18:05Well, bottlenecks are faced all along the
- 18:08spectrum of the medical education journey.
- 18:11I probably mistakenly left
- 18:13out kindergarten there.
- 18:14But it's fair to say that
- 18:16even before medical school,
- 18:18there's so many bottlenecks faced by
- 18:20underrepresented potential medical students.
- 18:22And there they are.
- 18:25There is the achievement gap.
- 18:26The achievement gap is the significant
- 18:30and sustained difference in reading and
- 18:34mathematics as tested from the 4th grade
- 18:38all the way to K12 and has remained for
- 18:41decades without significant change.
- 18:44Resource gap is self-explanatory.
- 18:46We have modern school segregation due to
- 18:50as a function of socioeconomic status.
- 18:52There's this stereotype threat.
- 18:54There's the implicit bias
- 18:56of educators and evaluators.
- 18:57There's the implicit bias of
- 18:59reference letter writers,
- 19:00implicit bias on the admission system itself.
- 19:03And this is all before we get
- 19:05to medical school.
- 19:06So what happens when we get
- 19:09to medical school?
- 19:10Now the AAMC started to look at this
- 19:12in the late 80s and early to mid 90s.
- 19:15This analysis in brief looked at
- 19:18the attrition rate due to academic
- 19:20reasons across racial groups in the
- 19:23matriculating classes from 8792
- 19:25and 95 for 10 years.
- 19:27And you can see they found a significant
- 19:30increased rate of attrition for all
- 19:32the minority groups compared to
- 19:34white and Asian medical students.
- 19:36In fact,
- 19:37the attrition rates due to academic
- 19:39reasons for all the URM students were
- 19:41more than four times that of white
- 19:44or Asian students over 10 years.
- 19:46So they're moving forward into the 2000s.
- 19:48Another AMC analysis in brief this
- 19:51time they looked at socio economic
- 19:53status and the rate of attrition in
- 19:56US medical matriculants in the 2000s.
- 19:59Just looking at the first two years,
- 20:01because 60% of attrition rates
- 20:03in medical school,
- 20:04at least 60% happened in the first
- 20:06two years of medical school.
- 20:08What they found was a low SES
- 20:10as defined by no parent having a
- 20:14college completed college.
- 20:15Those students had 1.4 times higher
- 20:18attrition rates than middle SES.
- 20:20For students in the low SES,
- 20:22they had more than two times.
- 20:24Higher attrition rates than those
- 20:26in the high SES,
- 20:27which is defined by at least one
- 20:29parent having a postgraduate degree.
- 20:32It is often stated that academic
- 20:34Rigo accounts for the difference
- 20:37in attrition rates between
- 20:39underrepresented and majority students.
- 20:41These are.
- 20:43This analysis looked at the different
- 20:46MCAT cohorts and found that the
- 20:49the disparity was still the same
- 20:51for socio economic status.
- 20:53So we've looked at how race
- 20:55impacts attrition.
- 20:56Now we've looked at how socio
- 20:58economic status impacts attrition.
- 20:59So now moving forward into the 2000
- 21:02and 10s and this study out of Yale
- 21:05by our illustrious MDPHD student,
- 21:08Matin looked at actually USMD
- 21:12matriculants for
- 21:142014, 2015, looked at them for
- 21:16six to seven years on adjusted
- 21:18significant attrition rates.
- 21:20Now they adjusted for MCAT scores and for
- 21:24sex and still found significant increase in
- 21:28the attrition rate for all the URM groups.
- 21:31Same for low economics families,
- 21:34low income families,
- 21:34and on the people who grew up
- 21:36in underserved neighbourhoods,
- 21:38defined as neighbourhoods with,
- 21:40that are underserved medically.
- 21:42In fact, on analysis,
- 21:44they found that the rate of attrition
- 21:46was greatest among students with
- 21:49three marginalized identities,
- 21:50which was almost four times higher
- 21:53than other students who had known,
- 21:55even when adjusted for the
- 21:57same MCAT scorings.
- 22:02Now the same. Our same student,
- 22:04MI 10 looked at the association of
- 22:07racial and ethnic identity with attrition
- 22:09rates from MDPHD training programs,
- 22:12physician scientists.
- 22:13They looked at close to 5000 students over
- 22:168 years and they found that 2% graduated
- 22:18with an MD only and 4% left medical school.
- 22:22Graduating with an MD only was highest for
- 22:25black students compared to all racial groups.
- 22:27More black than white MD matriculans
- 22:30left medical school. And in fact,
- 22:33after again adjusting for the MCAT,
- 22:35the odds of graduating with only
- 22:37an MD and leaving medical school
- 22:39were 50 and 83% higher.
- 22:41Percent higher for black
- 22:43than for white students.
- 22:45So, significant bottlenecks faced
- 22:48by students before medical school.
- 22:51In medical school,
- 22:52even adjusting for MCAT
- 22:55scores and academic rigour.
- 22:59Now you could ask the question,
- 23:01well, why diversify the healthcare
- 23:03workforce at all?
- 23:05The answer comes in two words.
- 23:07HealthEquity,
- 23:07HealthEquity,
- 23:08according to Cameron Jones,
- 23:11is the assurance of conditions for
- 23:13optimal health for all people.
- 23:14Achieving HealthEquity requires valuing
- 23:17all individuals and populations equally,
- 23:20recognizing and rectifying historic injustice
- 23:22and providing resources according to need.
- 23:26Health is a fundamental human right.
- 23:28HealthEquity is achieved when
- 23:30everyone can attain their full
- 23:32potential for health and well-being.
- 23:34Sadly, in this great country,
- 23:36perhaps the greatest country on the planet,
- 23:41HealthEquity has never been attained.
- 23:45We have never been free of health inequities.
- 23:49Now,
- 23:50the Institute of Medicine in about 2002
- 23:55commissioned an expert panel to review
- 23:58900 studies that controlled for poverty,
- 24:01education and social determinants of health.
- 24:04They tried to focus specifically on the
- 24:06impact of race on the quality of healthcare.
- 24:08It was published in 2003 and what
- 24:12they found was that minorities,
- 24:13especially black populations had
- 24:15worse outcomes for almost all cancers,
- 24:18HIV, pain control,
- 24:19maternal and infant mortality,
- 24:22cardiovascular disease,
- 24:23diabetic amputations, etcetera.
- 24:26And this is even adjusting
- 24:27for health insurance,
- 24:28education and socioeconomic status.
- 24:30So this was really jarring and
- 24:33shocking and obviously this is a
- 24:36complex problem and but part of the
- 24:38hypothesis that was that perhaps
- 24:40implicit bias in the system and in
- 24:43in providers contributed to this.
- 24:45And so there was a large opera
- 24:47to actually push to diversify the
- 24:50healthcare workforce, medical schools,
- 24:52GME training etcetera.
- 24:54And obviously as we have seen sadly
- 24:56there has been no significant
- 24:58shift in diversification.
- 24:59So it's not surprising that 20 years later,
- 25:02we are exactly at the same spot.
- 25:04Minorities, especially black populations,
- 25:06have the highest date for
- 25:08death rate for most cancers,
- 25:10lowest overall survival rates.
- 25:12Prostate cancer is horrible,
- 25:14has horrible outcomes in males,
- 25:16black males complete to any other group.
- 25:18Black women are 40 times more likely to
- 25:20die of breast cancer than white women,
- 25:22even though white women are
- 25:24likelier to get breast cancer.
- 25:26Black people are twice as likely
- 25:28to die from multiple myeloma,
- 25:30amputation, diabetic care.
- 25:31So we are nowhere,
- 25:32we haven't shifted the needle at all,
- 25:35so therefore the outcomes and
- 25:38health inequities have persisted.
- 25:40Now,
- 25:41how do we know that actually
- 25:43diversifying the healthcare
- 25:45workforce would make a difference?
- 25:47Well, this authors looked at patient,
- 25:50physician, racial concordance and the
- 25:52perceived quality and use of healthcare.
- 25:54So it's qualitative but
- 25:56by no means unimportant.
- 25:58And they served different racial groups.
- 26:02They found out black respondents
- 26:04with black physicians were likely
- 26:06that were likelier than those
- 26:07with non black physicians to rate
- 26:09their physicians as excellent.
- 26:11Black respondents reported receiving
- 26:12preventive and all the care that they
- 26:15needed in the prior year to the study
- 26:17and Hispanics with Hispanic physicians
- 26:19were likelier than none those with
- 26:21non Hispanic physicians to be very
- 26:23satisfied with their healthcare.
- 26:24So again qualitative but by
- 26:27no means unimportant.
- 26:28Moving a few years further along,
- 26:30this authors looked at patient centered
- 26:32communication ratings of care and
- 26:34concordance of patient and physician race.
- 26:36And again they found that race concordant
- 26:39visits were more extended and and had
- 26:41higher patient positive affect ratings.
- 26:43And patients in race concordant visits
- 26:45were more satisfied and rated their
- 26:47physicians as more participatory,
- 26:49qualitative but by no means unimportant.
- 26:52So then we start to shift
- 26:55into quantitative data.
- 26:56So this is sometimes referred
- 26:58to as the Oakland experiment.
- 27:01About 650 black men were recruited
- 27:03mostly from Barber shops and
- 27:05the subjects were given a coupon
- 27:07for free healthcare screening.
- 27:09A clinic was set up with black
- 27:11and non black doctors.
- 27:12All the doctors knew whether they
- 27:14were to do their best to encourage
- 27:16the participants to engage in the
- 27:18screening and get the flu shot.
- 27:20Visit was in two stages,
- 27:21pre consultation digital tablet and a
- 27:24post consultation with the doctor in person.
- 27:27The following health metrics were
- 27:30offered including a flu shot.
- 27:32What they found was that subjects who
- 27:34saw black doctors were 18 absolute
- 27:37percentage points more likely to
- 27:39accept invasive tests and flu shots.
- 27:41And based on the analysis,
- 27:43they found that black doctors could
- 27:45reduce the black white male gap in
- 27:48annual cardiovascular mortality by 20%.
- 27:50Now we're starting to shift to quantitative,
- 27:53albeit experimental and now.
- 27:57So this year,
- 27:58few months ago,
- 27:59these authors looked at black
- 28:01representation in the primary
- 28:03care physician workforce and its
- 28:06association with population,
- 28:07life expectancy and mortality rates.
- 28:10They look they identified 1600
- 28:12counties with at least one black
- 28:15physician as a matter of interest.
- 28:18There are 33 counties in the United States,
- 28:20which means that 60% of the
- 28:22counties in the United States do
- 28:24not have one single black PCP.
- 28:26They found that greater black workforce
- 28:29representation was associated with
- 28:31higher life expectancy and was
- 28:33inversely related to all cost black
- 28:35mortality and mortality disparities
- 28:37between black and white individuals.
- 28:39A 10% increase in black PCP
- 28:42representation was associated with a
- 28:44higher life expectancy of a month.
- 28:47So now we start to see an impact on
- 28:49a population basis quantitatively.
- 28:52Now interestingly,
- 28:53a few months later I find this
- 28:56quite interesting because this
- 28:58almost combines qualitative and
- 29:00quantitative analysis.
- 29:01These authors looked at social
- 29:03demographic disparities in queue
- 29:05jumping for emergency department care.
- 29:08So it is stated that they this they looked at
- 29:11Ed patient arrivals at two large
- 29:14Eds within a large northeast health
- 29:16system between 2017 and 2020.
- 29:20Large northeast health
- 29:22system that may be Yale.
- 29:24So they had 300,000 visits to the Ed,
- 29:2840% were white,
- 29:2930% were black and 20% were Hispanic.
- 29:31The third of all patients
- 29:33experienced an unexplained Q jump,
- 29:35defined as a patient being placed in
- 29:38a treatment space ahead of a patient
- 29:40of higher or equal acuity who actually
- 29:43arrived earlier than that patient.
- 29:46And what they found was that
- 29:47the Q jump was statistically
- 29:49more significant for non black,
- 29:51Hispanic, Hispanic or Latino.
- 29:53Sorry, non Hispanic,
- 29:54black Hispanic or Latino,
- 29:56Spanish speaking Medicaid patients.
- 29:57And patients who were jumped
- 29:59over had higher odds of being
- 30:01in the hallway bed placement and
- 30:03actually leaving before treatment.
- 30:05So you can imagine what happens
- 30:07in terms of healthcare outcomes.
- 30:10So we have looked at defined the problem,
- 30:13the scope of the problem nationally,
- 30:15scope of the problem locally,
- 30:18challenges faced by URM faculty,
- 30:20bottlenecks faced by URM medical students,
- 30:24impact of diversity on the
- 30:26healthcare workforce and outcomes
- 30:28qualitative and quantitative.
- 30:29So I think it's fair to say it
- 30:31is time for a paradigm shift.
- 30:33It is time because numerous studies
- 30:35have shown that physicians and
- 30:37healthcare provider diversity enables
- 30:38better access and quality of care to
- 30:41diverse and underserved communities.
- 30:43Greater Black health workforce
- 30:45representation may actually lead to
- 30:47higher life expectancy for Black
- 30:49patients and we have an obligation
- 30:51to provide representation of
- 30:53providers and staff to reflect
- 30:54the communities we serve.
- 30:56We are obliged to care for our community
- 30:58health and develop professionals from
- 31:00within the communities we serve.
- 31:02And so this brings us to Operation EB.
- 31:06Equity begins with everyone.
- 31:08Equality tries to measure or looks
- 31:13for equal opportunities and equity
- 31:18addresses outcomes and tries
- 31:20to look for equal outcomes.
- 31:23Most of the DEI work is in the
- 31:26realm of the domain of equity.
- 31:28And the blueprint basically is that
- 31:31if we have increased representation
- 31:33and outreach of minorities in faculty,
- 31:37medical students, nurses,
- 31:39physician assistants, etcetera,
- 31:41we will have be able to recruit
- 31:43more and retain more and we'll have
- 31:45the circle of equity for healthcare
- 31:47and medical education.
- 31:48It will have an impact on medical education.
- 31:51It will have an impact on patient outcomes,
- 31:53which is ultimately what we're all about.
- 31:57Now how do we get there?
- 31:59So operation EB The strategy is
- 32:03the verbs verbs so RRAR verbs,
- 32:07R for retain for recruit, R for retain,
- 32:11A for advance and R for relay.
- 32:14And this is recommended for all departments,
- 32:17all sections and all divisions.
- 32:21So let's start with the first
- 32:23action verb which is to recruit.
- 32:25Now the GME office in collaboration
- 32:29with the medical school and all
- 32:32departments actually coordinates
- 32:33outreach to medical student
- 32:35organizations like the Latin Medical
- 32:37Student Association and the Student
- 32:39National Medical Association at
- 32:41regional and national conferences.
- 32:43In September we went to the LMSA
- 32:45and this at this conferences we
- 32:47exhibit training opportunities at
- 32:49the medical school level because
- 32:51the medical school sends a sends
- 32:53representation and at the GME level
- 32:58Yale has held its this year in September
- 33:01its second annual virtual recruitment
- 33:04event fair for all HBCU medical students.
- 33:08We had over 100 students.
- 33:10Yale holds in person events
- 33:12at Howard and Meharry.
- 33:13So all departments at all sections
- 33:16are encouraged to engage with
- 33:18the DME office as GME office.
- 33:20As we coordinate all this,
- 33:23we offer second look,
- 33:24virtual and in person,
- 33:25for URM candidates and in
- 33:28collaboration with the University
- 33:30pipeline Programs and College summer
- 33:32programs for science and STEM.
- 33:34In terms of faculty,
- 33:36we recommend that all sections
- 33:37and departments include DEI
- 33:39representatives on search committees
- 33:41and panels for certain positions,
- 33:43like the instructor rank
- 33:44that has no search committee.
- 33:46We recommend advertising on the
- 33:48career centers digitally of the
- 33:50National Medical Medical Association,
- 33:52which is a predominant African black
- 33:54or African American physician group,
- 33:56and the National Hispanic
- 33:58Medical Association.
- 34:02Now, having affinity groups
- 34:05supported by an institution actually
- 34:08fosters recruitment and retention.
- 34:10The GME office and the Yale School of
- 34:13Medicine has the supports the Yale
- 34:15Minority House Staff Organization,
- 34:17the Yale Women's House Staff Organization,
- 34:19and just in last month was launched
- 34:22the Yale First Generation Low Income
- 34:25Longitudinal Mentorship Program.
- 34:26Shout out to Doctor Jamie Cavallo from the
- 34:30Department of Urology for leading this.
- 34:32Something else that that we
- 34:34are trying to establish,
- 34:36I'm trying to establish with my team
- 34:37in the Department of Medicine is a
- 34:39Minorities in Medicine mentorship program.
- 34:41Other departments and sections can do this.
- 34:44Our program will pair one URM faculty
- 34:46member with one to two URM trainees
- 34:48or students and the mentor will be
- 34:51part of each trainees mentor team.
- 34:53I use the word trainee for students
- 34:56and for GME Graduate trainees,
- 34:58and the mentor's role is to provide
- 35:00the trainee with the perspectives
- 35:02of a URM physician.
- 35:03It's a hybrid of a mentor and a
- 35:05coach guide through the training
- 35:07challenges and career challenges
- 35:09faced uniquely by URM physicians.
- 35:11And our hope is that this program will
- 35:14be longitudinal and will create a support
- 35:16structure that will foster trainee retention.
- 35:18As faculty members themselves with us now,
- 35:22after you recruit,
- 35:24you have to retain.
- 35:26It's recommended that all departments
- 35:28and sections create a structure
- 35:30for gender and ethnic concordant
- 35:32mentoring for junior faculty,
- 35:34Yale School of Medicine
- 35:35has the Moore program,
- 35:37which is the minority organization
- 35:39for retention and expansion
- 35:40at Yale School of Medicine.
- 35:42I would encourage section on
- 35:44department leaders to have their
- 35:47minority faculty engage with this.
- 35:50Every section department should
- 35:52have a visible commitment to DEI.
- 35:54Every section should have ADEI leader
- 35:57and create a specific DI curriculum
- 35:59which could include DI workshops,
- 36:01retreats, invited speakers,
- 36:03integration of diversity topics into
- 36:05all aspects of the clinical curriculum,
- 36:08ground rounds, etcetera.
- 36:12Departments and sections should provide
- 36:14support for clinician educators.
- 36:15A big chunk of faculty,
- 36:17URM and non URM faculty come to you because
- 36:21they want to thrive as clinician educators.
- 36:23We're all here now this session because
- 36:25of the center at the collaboration
- 36:27with the Center for Medical Education.
- 36:29And so it is very important that all
- 36:32departments and sections provide
- 36:34support for clinical educators to
- 36:36advance their educational skills.
- 36:37The Center for Medical Education offers
- 36:40a master's degree and a host of much
- 36:42more other things that are offered that
- 36:45can advance the clinician education career.
- 36:48This is where section leaders,
- 36:49department leaders should endeavour
- 36:51to protect some time so that junior
- 36:54faculty can advance their own careers.
- 36:56They will stay on and and this will
- 36:59lead to an increased retention and
- 37:01part where they should be created and
- 37:03defined to leadership opportunities
- 37:05for academic clinicians and clinician
- 37:08educators which are a very big chunk
- 37:10of faculty as opposed to traditional
- 37:12investigators or clinician scientists.
- 37:15So we need to have a big tent approach
- 37:18to advance all tracks and faculty
- 37:22as part of retain retention efforts.
- 37:24Every section should have a formal
- 37:26mentoring structure that assigns
- 37:28mentors to junior faculty.
- 37:29A promotion advisory committee that
- 37:32reviews faculty readiness for promotion
- 37:35annually for URM and for non URM and the
- 37:38F tax should inform and guide this process.
- 37:41It's important that we don't
- 37:43forget that section leaders,
- 37:45senior faculty on promotion committee
- 37:48may also benefit from ongoing workshops,
- 37:51mentorship and sponsorship workshop so
- 37:53that we are constantly embracing a culture
- 37:56of academic sponsorship and mentorship.
- 37:58And I I refer to Matt sponsorship and a
- 38:01sponsor as a person in an organization
- 38:03who is in a position of influence
- 38:05and power who actively supports the
- 38:07the career of a of prodigy protege.
- 38:12We recruit, we retain now we have to advance.
- 38:16We've talked about the minority
- 38:18tax and section leaders.
- 38:19Department leaders should facilitate
- 38:21URM faculty academic advancement
- 38:23by incorporating DDI efforts
- 38:25and activities and leadership,
- 38:27DDI activities, leadership,
- 38:29clinical service,
- 38:30scholarly creative activities,
- 38:32community engagement as a significant
- 38:35supporting criterion for promotion.
- 38:37Faculty development programs
- 38:38to advance scholarly skills for
- 38:40junior faculty like the Department
- 38:42of Medicine's Academic Clinician
- 38:44Educator Scholars Program,
- 38:45the Centre for Medical Education
- 38:47does offers a ton of faculty
- 38:50development training programs,
- 38:52hands on bedside, etcetera,
- 38:54how to be a better teacher.
- 38:56So section leaders and Division and
- 38:59Department Chiefs should encourage
- 39:00engagement by junior faculty,
- 39:02URM or otherwise,
- 39:03with the Centre for Medical Education
- 39:06and the OAPD office that offers
- 39:08a lot of faculty development.
- 39:11I just want to talk.
- 39:13So we talked about the the minority
- 39:15tax and how it's difficult to
- 39:18capture and measure DEI efforts and
- 39:20have that contribute to promotion.
- 39:23We, my team and I are piloting a a
- 39:25tool that captures and actually weights
- 39:28DEI activities into impact scores.
- 39:30We're calling it the Yield
- 39:32DEI Productivity Calculator.
- 39:33It's an online tool that you answer
- 39:36some questions and it actually
- 39:38generates and computes and spits
- 39:40out the DEI activity impact
- 39:42score to inform promotion.
- 39:44We're hoping to pilot this in medicine.
- 39:46We are going to pilot this in
- 39:47medicine and actually currently
- 39:49we are now doing this as part of
- 39:52a a nationwide study to calibrate
- 39:54activity impact scores and to
- 39:56give it meaning and relevance.
- 40:01Now we're here to the final final hour,
- 40:03which is the final verb, which is to relay.
- 40:05And the DE, the underrepresented
- 40:08problem is not just institutional,
- 40:11it's regional, it's national, and so every.
- 40:15Institution or system that comes up with this
- 40:18semi solution that can advance representation
- 40:21should share this with the larger community.
- 40:25And so the last verb is of the
- 40:27Aurora verbs is the relay,
- 40:29which is to share our strategies
- 40:31regionally and nationally.
- 40:32Conference workshops,
- 40:33invited lectures, grand rounds,
- 40:35media platforms, commentaries,
- 40:37articles in peer reviewed journals.
- 40:41We should join professional
- 40:42organizations that advocate for
- 40:43diverse and inclusive healthcare.
- 40:45So we can advocate locally,
- 40:47but we can also do it
- 40:50simultaneously regionally,
- 40:51SGIMACP, surgical groups,
- 40:53gynecology groups as well.
- 40:55And we can do it nationally.
- 40:57We can advocate for policy and legislative
- 40:59changes and we can participate in pipeline
- 41:02programs into the Community Schools.
- 41:05An example of successful
- 41:06relaying is for instance,
- 41:08the section of infectious diseases
- 41:10within the Department of Medicine
- 41:12during the pandemic created DEI
- 41:15inclusive and anti racism curriculum.
- 41:17It was very successful.
- 41:19We're trying to model other sections
- 41:20around it and they actually wrote about it.
- 41:23So this is not just advocating locally,
- 41:25but relaying it nationally.
- 41:27Dr.
- 41:28Sharon Austerfield Jones is a internist
- 41:31and a paediatrician in the section
- 41:34of in General medicine hospitalist.
- 41:37She worked towards incorporating
- 41:39DEI topics into existing curriculum
- 41:41into the pediatric ground grounds
- 41:43and then she wrote about it.
- 41:44So not just making an impact locally,
- 41:47but relaying it nationally.
- 41:48And then our, our colleagues in surgery,
- 41:52Doctor Paris Butler,
- 41:54worked on programs and then
- 41:55they share this nationally.
- 41:56So in conclusion,
- 41:58the four verbs we have to retain
- 42:00underrepresented minorities,
- 42:02we have, we have to recruit,
- 42:04outreach and recruit.
- 42:05We have to retain and support mentorship
- 42:09programs to support productivity.
- 42:13We have to advance academic
- 42:15careers and leadership positions.
- 42:16And then finally,
- 42:17we have to relay our best practices.
- 42:19And with that,
- 42:20I thank you for your time and your attention.
- 42:22Thank you very much.
- 42:27Thanks so much. Ben.
- 42:27You can take down your slides and we
- 42:29have a few minutes for discussion.
- 42:31And I I feel so grateful
- 42:33to have serve it here.
- 42:34And we've got, you know, Sharon,
- 42:36we have so many people here doing
- 42:38really excellent research in this area.
- 42:40My first question,
- 42:41I would love to hear, Ben,
- 42:43when you're talking about
- 42:44the DEI impact score,
- 42:45tell me a little bit more
- 42:47about that and would it be
- 42:49for every faculty member?
- 42:51Yes, thank you for the question.
- 42:53So this is, this has bothered
- 42:56everyone at academic centres.
- 42:57How do you actually capture DEI
- 42:59efforts and how do you make them count?
- 43:01And how do you, you know,
- 43:02people, If I say the h-index
- 43:05for publication, everyone's,
- 43:06everyone knows it and everyone's like,
- 43:08Oh my God, h-index, etcetera.
- 43:10So the idea, Janet,
- 43:11here is that it's for all faculty,
- 43:14yes, all specialities,
- 43:15all faculty can use this.
- 43:17And the idea is that that you
- 43:21will have we have an online tool
- 43:23that captures all activities.
- 43:25So let's say I'm a faculty
- 43:26going up for promotion.
- 43:27I go on this online tool and
- 43:29I answer several questions.
- 43:31And as I'm asking questions like for
- 43:33instance, it covers curriculum building,
- 43:36research community work,
- 43:37working with incarcerated,
- 43:38working with the homeless,
- 43:39mentoring students, recruiting students,
- 43:41recruiting trainees,
- 43:42recruiting faculty, recruit,
- 43:44diversifying research teams.
- 43:46And there is a weighted scoring
- 43:48system to every answer.
- 43:49And so automatically it comes out with the
- 43:52diversity Diverse DEI Activity impact score.
- 43:54And now to your question,
- 43:55Janet,
- 43:55is that what does that score mean?
- 43:58So This is why we're now nationally trying
- 44:00to calibrate it at this point as we speak,
- 44:03we have sent out with the Yale
- 44:06IRB exemption approval,
- 44:07we have sent out this survey to
- 44:10all the DEI champions across all
- 44:12academic centers in the United States.
- 44:15So we're starting to try to to to
- 44:18measure what is the kind of the
- 44:21high point by people who their
- 44:23job description includes this.
- 44:25And then so eventually what we hope
- 44:27to have is that when someone's going
- 44:29up for promotion that you can have
- 44:32a page that shows national metrics,
- 44:35regional, national and institutional.
- 44:37If if if institutions are engaged.
- 44:39And then you can have your candidates
- 44:41who's coming up for promotion,
- 44:43their own diversity impact score.
- 44:45And then you can make an informed judgement
- 44:48about how impactful their DEI work is,
- 44:51especially if it's done
- 44:53without protected time.
- 44:54Because then you're literally
- 44:56converting the the minority
- 44:58tax into academic credit.
- 45:00Now one thing I want to stress
- 45:02absolutely importantly is that this
- 45:04productivity calculator does not
- 45:07assign any points based on identity or race.
- 45:11It's only assigns points based on
- 45:14activities that promote DEI and inclusion.
- 45:20Very interesting because on CV Part 2,
- 45:23we do have a section where we are required
- 45:26to mention what we do in the DEI space.
- 45:30So it'll be interesting to see how
- 45:32this works together. Let's open it up.
- 45:34Do others have questions?
- 45:44Sandy has her hand raised.
- 45:45Janet. Oh, thanks. I thanks.
- 45:48Go ahead, Sandy. Thank you, Janet.
- 45:49Thank you, Dorothy.
- 45:51Benjamin, thank you so much.
- 45:52This is really important work and
- 45:55and very insightful and helpful
- 45:57in our work in both in the student
- 45:59realm as well as the faculty realm.
- 46:01I just want to, I don't have a question.
- 46:03I really just want to thank you
- 46:05for calling out and including
- 46:08physician assistants PAS.
- 46:10So this work definitely impacts
- 46:12the world of PAS and we're often
- 46:15not included in these studies.
- 46:17So thank you very much for that.
- 46:19Oh, thank you. We are all one, I mean we're
- 46:22all one healthcare team. Appreciate it,
- 46:27Jeanette.
- 46:29Yes, thank you so much for a
- 46:32tremendous talk. Doctor Emba,
- 46:35I'm interested you know the inclusion
- 46:37of kind of low income first generation
- 46:40in the DEI kind of definition.
- 46:45Do you see that becoming more widespread
- 46:48and national data including that measure,
- 46:52I just you know I think it's
- 46:54really important and I don't
- 46:55feel like it's always captured.
- 46:59Thank you for your question.
- 47:00It is actually I see it getting more
- 47:01and more involved in the discussion.
- 47:03So if you look at if you first generation,
- 47:0662% of the United States population,
- 47:09households, 62% of the US
- 47:12adults have not attended,
- 47:13completed a four year degree
- 47:15program or an associate's program.
- 47:17And so. So it is very important
- 47:20that and if you look at medical,
- 47:23most medical schools now,
- 47:25if you look over the last two
- 47:27decades it was in the single digits
- 47:29of medical school students that
- 47:31are actually first generation.
- 47:32And if you look at for instance Yale's
- 47:34data now and which is across national data,
- 47:37it correlates with national data
- 47:39is that about 14 to 15% of medical
- 47:42school intakes actually taking
- 47:45in first generation families.
- 47:47When you look at low socio economic
- 47:49status when it comes to the poverty level,
- 47:525 to 6% of all medical school
- 47:55students come from official
- 47:57poverty defined family households.
- 48:00So in short, yes,
- 48:01I do see more and more involved.
- 48:03I know that the initial definition
- 48:05was exclusively on race,
- 48:07but then there are other populations
- 48:09that as this this gathering momentum.
- 48:11For instance,
- 48:12the United States 13% of adults,
- 48:15approximately 13% of adults are actually
- 48:17registered as having a disability.
- 48:19And in terms of medical school,
- 48:21you only have about maybe 4% of
- 48:23of medical students are disabled.
- 48:26So clearly there's an on
- 48:28the representation as well.
- 48:29So so that's why it's as we push
- 48:32forward inclusion should broaden it
- 48:33shouldn't I don't think it should
- 48:36be narrowed down just to race and
- 48:38ethnicity but to all disadvantaged
- 48:40cohorts that in the country.
- 48:43There are also other I didn't
- 48:44talk about it but there are even
- 48:46with even the nuances within this.
- 48:47You know,
- 48:48a lot of my slides showed for
- 48:50instance that they're the Asian,
- 48:52Asian physicians are over represented
- 48:54in faculty,
- 48:54but there's a significant challenge
- 48:57faced by Asian American faculty members,
- 49:00which is that the pathway to leadership.
- 49:03They for the last 20 years when you
- 49:05look at the leadership Parity Index,
- 49:08which is the representation of of
- 49:12leaders from a racial group over
- 49:14the total number in faculty,
- 49:16the two two groups stand out,
- 49:18women overall and Asian Americans
- 49:20for the last 20 years have had a
- 49:23leadership parity Index of less than one.
- 49:26So there's so much,
- 49:28there's so much inequity within
- 49:29inequity within inequity.
- 49:31It's like a matrix, like, you know.
- 49:34So another question,
- 49:35I'd love to hear your thoughts on this.
- 49:37It's from Darren.
- 49:38Now that the Supreme Court has
- 49:40said race and ethnicity cannot
- 49:42be used in admission discussions,
- 49:44do you think they'll be more
- 49:47examining our SES and thinking
- 49:50about that with greater concern?
- 49:53I I think that I think there will
- 49:56be more attention paid to that.
- 49:58But I also caution that though there's
- 50:00an overlap, there's no it is not.
- 50:02It's not a perfect surrogate
- 50:04marker when it comes to race.
- 50:07So you could have.
- 50:10I definitely agree that both.
- 50:12So it's a it's not a 0 sum game.
- 50:14I think it's the the pie
- 50:16should be larger overall.
- 50:18What you find is that yes,
- 50:20people will start to look at SES
- 50:23parameters because unfortunately most
- 50:25SES lower SES families are also minority
- 50:27families or first generation families.
- 50:30So yes, that is an important
- 50:31metric to look at,
- 50:32but following the SCOTUS
- 50:34decision it is still.
- 50:36First of all,
- 50:37the decision does not have any impact
- 50:39for outreach currently and recruitment,
- 50:41recruitment efforts and
- 50:43additionally the SCOTUS decision
- 50:48it. It does not preclude obviously
- 50:52as everyone knows integrating,
- 50:55what attributes in individual's
- 50:58applicancy contributes to
- 51:00their overall lived experience.
- 51:01And of course it's
- 51:03impossible to separate race,
- 51:05socio, economic status,
- 51:06zip code from your overall,
- 51:12from you or your identity.
- 51:14So, but yes, I think Darren,
- 51:15there will be much more
- 51:16attention paid to that.
- 51:17But I just cautioned that it shouldn't
- 51:19just be a simple substitute.
- 51:21It's very complicated.
- 51:22It's very nuanced and we just have
- 51:25to keep making the effort to make
- 51:27sure that our inclusive strategy is
- 51:30as inclusive as possible and that
- 51:32we keep checking for the nuances
- 51:34of inequities within all all the
- 51:36strata that we are working on.
- 51:43Thank you. Other questions,
- 51:44I think we have time for one more
- 51:46and Please note that we have the
- 51:48evaluation which just takes a minute
- 51:50so you can even start doing it.
- 51:52It's really important for us to
- 51:54get your feedback so you can go
- 51:56into the chat and pick that up if
- 51:58there's any last couple of questions.
- 52:07And one thing I'm hoping for is
- 52:09that we get more and more data
- 52:12on on on clinical outcomes,
- 52:14on population impact of diversifying
- 52:17the healthcare workforce because
- 52:18so it moves from this qualitative
- 52:21metrics or outcomes or experience
- 52:24or quality and access to actually
- 52:28finding out that you know we
- 52:30actually impact life expectancy,
- 52:33mortality rates etcetera.
- 52:36And then we have Natasha has
- 52:38a important question for us.
- 52:40Are there any data on
- 52:42inter ethnic disparities,
- 52:43for example the black immigrants
- 52:46from Africa or Caribbean versus
- 52:49American descendants of slaves?
- 52:53OK, thank you for the question. So
- 52:57one thing that's unique to all the data
- 53:00presented and anywhere you get data
- 53:02on URM participants or or trainees,
- 53:06the data that I quote is restricted to
- 53:09the AAMC only reports demographic data on
- 53:14American citizens and green card holders.
- 53:18And as you all know the US census groups and
- 53:22most places that collect demographic data,
- 53:26it doesn't go granular.
- 53:28Like for instance if you check the box Asian,
- 53:31there are at least 31 nationalities
- 53:33cultures that could be Asian,
- 53:35if you check the box black or African
- 53:37American, you could be African,
- 53:38you could be African,
- 53:39multi generational, black American,
- 53:41you could be Caribbean and
- 53:42so on and so forth.
- 53:44So I don't think the data exists
- 53:47to at such a granular level.
- 53:51Is there some,
- 53:54Is there some angst or disagreements or
- 53:58discordance within all racial groups?
- 54:01I'm sure there are about how to
- 54:02capture it and what to make of it.
- 54:04It's, for now, remains unknown.
- 54:09I'm sure we're going to
- 54:10have people working on it.
- 54:11Well, please fill out the eval.
- 54:13And I really thank you, Ben,
- 54:15for this wonderful work and
- 54:17contributing to Yale and I'm
- 54:19thrilled that you're here.
- 54:20I'm sure we'll have many more discussions.
- 54:22Patrick has a big thumbs up also.
- 54:24So really appreciate everyone's time.
- 54:27Thank you very much.
- 54:28And just a reminder that equity
- 54:30begins with everyone. Thank you,
- 54:33Janet. Shelly has her hand raised.
- 54:36I don't know if there's time
- 54:38to address another quick.
- 54:39Oh, wait, I just meant to do that.
- 54:40Claps. I'm sorry, Ben.
- 54:42You are fantastic. Ben.
- 54:44Just wanted to acknowledge that.
- 54:45Sorry, I'll lower my hand. No worries.
- 54:48No worries. Great. Thank you.
- 54:53So are we staying? We're
- 54:54staying on. Right. OK. Yeah.