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10-26 MEDG: Diversifying the Healthcare Workforce: From Students and Beyond

October 26, 2023
  • 00:04My name is Jeanette Tetro.
  • 00:05I currently serve as the Vice Chief
  • 00:07for Education for the section of
  • 00:10General Internal Medicine and our
  • 00:11section Delighted to come back together
  • 00:13with our friends from the Center for
  • 00:16Medical Education for our first GIM,
  • 00:18Center for Medical Education Co
  • 00:21hosted Medical Education Discussion
  • 00:23Group for the academic year.
  • 00:26We're thrilled to welcome GIMS
  • 00:29own Doctor Benjamin Imba who
  • 00:32will be speaking with us today.
  • 00:34Doctor Hoffler's going to give him a much
  • 00:37more extensive interview or introduction.
  • 00:39Excuse me,
  • 00:39we could probably talk the whole time
  • 00:41and all he's accomplished but he
  • 00:43serves as the Vice Chair of Diversity,
  • 00:45Equity and Inclusion for the Department
  • 00:47of Internal Medicine and the Graduate
  • 00:49Medical Education Director for Diversity,
  • 00:52Equity and Inclusion as well
  • 00:55as Associate DIO for our GME.
  • 00:59So before I turn the podium over to
  • 01:02Doctor Haffler just wanted for planning
  • 01:04purposes make sure you mark your calendars.
  • 01:07There will be another Med Ed
  • 01:10discussion group which will take
  • 01:11place on December 14th which is
  • 01:13going to focus on ChatGPT and where
  • 01:16it belongs in medical education.
  • 01:18And then our next Co hosted session
  • 01:21will be January 25th of 2024 led by
  • 01:26Doctor Elizabeth Gaufberg from Harvard.
  • 01:28And our last Co hosted session will
  • 01:31be led by GIMS own Doctor Nathan
  • 01:34Wood and that'll focus on culinary
  • 01:37medicine and the future of nutrition
  • 01:40education that will occur on March 28th.
  • 01:43One last announcement,
  • 01:44please don't forget to fill out
  • 01:46your climate survey.
  • 01:48I want to make sure we have
  • 01:50great participation in that and
  • 01:51that your voices are heard.
  • 01:53So I'm going to turn it over
  • 01:54to Doctor Hoffler.
  • 01:57Hi, welcome everybody.
  • 01:58I'm thrilled to be able to do
  • 02:01the joint session together.
  • 02:03Sorry if there's a little bit
  • 02:04of noise in the background.
  • 02:05I'm. I'm at a meeting.
  • 02:06So Doctor Amba graduated from the College
  • 02:09of Medicine of the University of Lagos,
  • 02:11Nigeria and completed his internal
  • 02:14medicine residency in the UK.
  • 02:16But then he completed a second I
  • 02:19am residency and served as chief
  • 02:21resident at Cook County in Chicago.
  • 02:24And before joining Yale, Dr.
  • 02:27Amba was the associate chair of
  • 02:29medicine for faculty development
  • 02:30in medicine at Cook County,
  • 02:31and he was a professor of medicine
  • 02:34also at Rush Medical College.
  • 02:36And when you look at what your
  • 02:38career has contributed to the world,
  • 02:40it's just been amazing.
  • 02:41And I'm so thrilled that you're here
  • 02:43at Yale with us because you really
  • 02:46we talked about clinical education,
  • 02:47diversity, equity,
  • 02:48inclusion advocacy and it's
  • 02:50mainly been in the GME space.
  • 02:53And I really appreciate your
  • 02:55work and residency program and
  • 02:57faculty development Qi work.
  • 03:00And now really what you're addressing
  • 03:02today as we work together on this
  • 03:05developmental longitudinal approach
  • 03:07for our UME faculty and health
  • 03:10professionals who teach medical
  • 03:12students and PAS and are nursing
  • 03:14all the way through the GME.
  • 03:16So welcome and thank you so much and
  • 03:20I'm thrilled to pass it over to you now,
  • 03:22Ben.
  • 03:23Yes, thank you, Janet,
  • 03:24for the kind introduction and
  • 03:26the opportunity to speak.
  • 03:28I'm really glad to be here.
  • 03:30And I'll just set about sharing my slides.
  • 04:10OK Can you see my slides? Yes,
  • 04:13Doctor Amba, but we're seeing
  • 04:14your presenter view. OK
  • 04:19Yes, go up to display settings,
  • 04:22seeing the top row there.
  • 04:27Yeah, it's not showing here.
  • 04:29Not that. Again, One second.
  • 04:52No, it's not one second.
  • 04:54Let me see. Some reason it's
  • 05:08OK. How's that?
  • 05:11Can you share? You need to share your
  • 05:13screen and then we'll see what you see.
  • 05:35I'm not seeing your screen yet.
  • 05:38It should come up in a second. OK
  • 05:43And then the slideshow.
  • 05:49Can you see the screen now? Yes.
  • 05:54And is it the presenter
  • 05:55view or the full view?
  • 05:57It's still the presenter view.
  • 06:00OK. So let let me just
  • 06:02simply hide the presenter.
  • 06:04How's that? There you are. OK,
  • 06:06perfect. Perfect. Thank you. So,
  • 06:09sure, no worries.
  • 06:10So again, thank you, Janet, for the
  • 06:13kind introduction and let's get started.
  • 06:15So text the number on the screen to the
  • 06:18number on the screen for your CME credit.
  • 06:21And please don't forget to
  • 06:23fill out your climate survey.
  • 06:25So for today, I'll be talking about
  • 06:29the scope of the I'll be covering
  • 06:31the scope of the URM problem,
  • 06:32challenges faced by URM faculty
  • 06:35bottlenecks that URM medical students face,
  • 06:38the importance of diversifying
  • 06:40the healthcare workforce,
  • 06:41visa visits, impact on healthcare
  • 06:44outcomes and disparities,
  • 06:45and strategies to increase the
  • 06:47diversity of the healthcare workforce
  • 06:49at the Yale School of Medicine.
  • 06:50We should have time for questions
  • 06:52and answers at the end.
  • 06:55So the problem is the paucity of
  • 06:58underrepresented in medicine,
  • 06:59medical students, GME trainees,
  • 07:02medical faculty, practising physicians
  • 07:04and providers across the nation.
  • 07:0720 years ago the AMC coined this
  • 07:11definition to refer to those racial
  • 07:13and ethnic populations that are
  • 07:15underrepresented in the medical
  • 07:17profession relative to their
  • 07:18numbers in the general population.
  • 07:20And so this refers to African American,
  • 07:23Latino or Hispanic,
  • 07:24Alaska Native or Native Americans,
  • 07:26and Native Hawaiian populations.
  • 07:28So though they find 20 years ago,
  • 07:31it is important for us to remember that
  • 07:33there there are other populations under
  • 07:34represented in medicine such as low income,
  • 07:37first generation to attend college,
  • 07:39disabled and LGBTQ populations.
  • 07:41If we just look a little bit
  • 07:45more into the income situation,
  • 07:48you find that the top 5% of US household
  • 07:51household income quintiles account
  • 07:53for 1/4 of all medical students.
  • 07:56Basically,
  • 07:57the top 20% of household income
  • 07:59families account for more than
  • 08:01half of all medical students,
  • 08:03whereas the bottom 40% account
  • 08:05for 15% of all medical students.
  • 08:10Now when we look at the US population,
  • 08:12we find that 34% of the US population
  • 08:15comprises the underrepresented
  • 08:17population base,
  • 08:19while just 13% of medical students,
  • 08:2410% of medical faculty and 13% of all
  • 08:28active physicians are actually from
  • 08:30the underrepresented population base.
  • 08:32Half of the United States
  • 08:35population is female,
  • 08:3637% of active physicians are female.
  • 08:41This is not just a medical doctor issued,
  • 08:45this is a healthcare workforce issue.
  • 08:47If you look at the breakdown
  • 08:49of registered nurses you find
  • 08:50that 80% are white and the same
  • 08:53significant under representation of
  • 08:55the groups exists amongst nurses.
  • 08:57If you look at physician assistants,
  • 08:59you find that 72% are white and the
  • 09:03same significant under representation
  • 09:05across the groups occurs there as well.
  • 09:10So let's look closely at now the
  • 09:13physician group and distribution
  • 09:15Across the United States,
  • 09:17Black or African American
  • 09:21physicians make up just
  • 09:236% of total physicians,
  • 09:254% of medical school faculty and
  • 09:277% of medical school graduates.
  • 09:29Latino or Hispanic doctors
  • 09:31make up 7% of all physicians,
  • 09:336% of medical school faculty,
  • 09:35and 6% of medical school graduates.
  • 09:38The other underrepresented
  • 09:40populations less than 0.5 across
  • 09:43all all the domains and metrics.
  • 09:47This is not a new problem.
  • 09:49This is a decades long
  • 09:50problem in the United States,
  • 09:52just looking at the last 10 years.
  • 09:54Unfortunately the four colours at
  • 09:55the bottom of the graph represent
  • 09:58the underrepresented group.
  • 09:59This slide is for female faculty.
  • 10:01Over the last 10 years,
  • 10:02it's clear to see that there's
  • 10:04been no significant progress
  • 10:06in terms of representation.
  • 10:07The same, unfortunately,
  • 10:08is true for male faculty,
  • 10:10where the four colours at the bottom
  • 10:12represent the four underrepresented
  • 10:15in medicine populations.
  • 10:16So this is the last 10 years,
  • 10:18and it goes on many more decades before that.
  • 10:22So is change happening?
  • 10:23Let's now look to our medical
  • 10:25schools in the last five years and
  • 10:27see if any change is happening.
  • 10:29If you look at medical school
  • 10:30matriculants in the last five years,
  • 10:32unfortunately it's clear to see that
  • 10:34there's been absolutely no significant
  • 10:37change in the absolute numbers
  • 10:39representation from this population base.
  • 10:43Now if we look at medical schools,
  • 10:48which is we are in the medical school
  • 10:50system here and we look at rank
  • 10:53and dice it by race and ethnicity,
  • 10:55this is recent data.
  • 10:56What you find is that of all the
  • 10:59professors in medical schools,
  • 11:01clinical and basics sciences departments,
  • 11:04only 2% are black,
  • 11:064% are Hispanic or Latino or
  • 11:09the associate professors,
  • 11:11just about 4% each for black or Latinos.
  • 11:14And again,
  • 11:14the other underrepresented groups
  • 11:16are less than 0.5 across all ranks.
  • 11:20Most of the professors and most of the
  • 11:22associate professors as you can see,
  • 11:23are white and then followed
  • 11:25by Asian populations.
  • 11:27So we have to ask ourselves then
  • 11:31even why is there even worse
  • 11:33representation amongst faculty
  • 11:35from this underrepresented groups?
  • 11:37And so at this point let's take a slight
  • 11:41detail and look at the URM faculty
  • 11:44experience from the URM faculty Lens.
  • 11:47These authors looked at a longitudinal
  • 11:49multi institutional study to look at
  • 11:52race and ethnicity and how it correlates
  • 11:54with success in academic medicine as is
  • 11:57traditionally defined 17 year follow up.
  • 12:00And what they found was significantly
  • 12:03URM faculty had lower rates
  • 12:05of peer review publications,
  • 12:07lower rates of promotion to professor,
  • 12:09and lower retention rates
  • 12:11compared to white faculty.
  • 12:13Interestingly,
  • 12:13there was no difference in federal grants,
  • 12:16senior leadership roles,
  • 12:18career satisfaction and compensation
  • 12:20between the URM and the and white faculty.
  • 12:23So this this right here informs
  • 12:27the need for deliberative
  • 12:29programming to support productivity,
  • 12:31academic productivity,
  • 12:33and advancement for underrepresented
  • 12:35in medicine faculty.
  • 12:37Other authors from different institutions
  • 12:39have looked at this problem,
  • 12:42and I think these authors kind of
  • 12:46captured the dissatisfaction and
  • 12:48the disparities in their article
  • 12:51titled Addressing Disparities
  • 12:52in Academic Medicine.
  • 12:54What of the Minority Tax?
  • 12:56The minority tax has been defined
  • 12:58as the tax of extra responsibilities
  • 13:00placed on minority faculty in the
  • 13:03name of efforts to achieve diversity.
  • 13:05It's described as an under
  • 13:08represented minority in medicine
  • 13:10faculty responsibility disparity,
  • 13:13which is evident in many areas,
  • 13:16diversity efforts, racism,
  • 13:17isolation, mentorship,
  • 13:19clinical responsibility and promotion.
  • 13:21I'll just go very briefly over
  • 13:25each diversity at disparity realm.
  • 13:29In terms of diversity efforts,
  • 13:30more underrepresented faculty spend more
  • 13:33time on DEI efforts and on community health,
  • 13:37less time on research.
  • 13:39And most times institutions
  • 13:40do not acknowledge this for
  • 13:43promotion racism disparity.
  • 13:44URM faculty are exposed to
  • 13:46systemic and individual racism,
  • 13:48implicit and explicit,
  • 13:50and racial difference in promotion,
  • 13:54isolation, disparity.
  • 13:55URM faculty often feel isolated culturally.
  • 13:59This leads to reduce opportunities
  • 14:01for collaboration or research
  • 14:04outside of DI related matters,
  • 14:06racial and gender concordant
  • 14:08mentorship is lacking for URM faculty,
  • 14:10who are then called upon to mentor
  • 14:13URM mentees without having had the
  • 14:16benefit of mentoring themselves or
  • 14:19effective mentoring themselves.
  • 14:22Clinical disparity.
  • 14:23I've mentioned.
  • 14:23URM faculty tend to spend more
  • 14:26time doing community clinical
  • 14:28work and engaging DEI efforts,
  • 14:30and clearly there's a
  • 14:32disparity in promotion rates.
  • 14:33Less promotion equals to less
  • 14:36salary in some institutions,
  • 14:38and so we can start to understand why
  • 14:42the specific challenges faced by URM
  • 14:45faculty within the larger faculty body.
  • 14:48So let's return to the scope of the problem.
  • 14:52We left up here at academic
  • 14:54rank and race and ethnicity.
  • 14:56But if we actually look at
  • 14:58this through a gender lens,
  • 15:00what we find is that there's a
  • 15:03significant male predominance,
  • 15:04especially in the rank of professor,
  • 15:06but also in the associate professor,
  • 15:08with the exception of the
  • 15:10black African American faculty.
  • 15:11So on average,
  • 15:13with the highest discrepancy actually
  • 15:15being among white and Asian faculty,
  • 15:17on average you have a 7 seven to
  • 15:21three ratio of male professors
  • 15:23to female professors.
  • 15:26So with this understanding,
  • 15:28this male discrepancy,
  • 15:30what does actually medical school
  • 15:34leadership look like across the country?
  • 15:37Not surprisingly, it looks the same.
  • 15:39If you look at all medical school
  • 15:41Deans in the United States,
  • 15:4373% are men, 23% are women,
  • 15:45and only 13% are URM Deans.
  • 15:48If you look at all medical school
  • 15:51department chairs in the United States,
  • 15:5377% are men.
  • 15:54If you look at all,
  • 15:55I'm an internist internal medicine
  • 15:58and this is a collaboration
  • 15:59with internal medicine.
  • 16:00So if you look at all medical
  • 16:02school internal medicine chairs
  • 16:04in the United States,
  • 16:0580% are men and 20% are women.
  • 16:08The situation's actually worsen.
  • 16:09Surgery, the surgery chairs,
  • 16:1293% are men and 7% are are women.
  • 16:16So what does leadership that the
  • 16:18Yale School of Medicine look like?
  • 16:21Of all the department chairs of
  • 16:22the Yale School of Medicine,
  • 16:2484% are men and 16% are women.
  • 16:27The majority are are are white,
  • 16:29with 10% Hispanic, Latino,
  • 16:31and 10% black.
  • 16:32So as the nation goes,
  • 16:34unfortunately so does Yale go at this time.
  • 16:38If we look at the Department
  • 16:40of Medicine vice chairs,
  • 16:4270% are men, 30% are women,
  • 16:46majority white, 10% Hispanic or Latino
  • 16:48and 10% black or African American.
  • 16:50If you look at the Department of
  • 16:53Medicine section chiefs, 82% are men,
  • 16:5518% are women and 100% are are white.
  • 16:59So what does the Yale Medical School
  • 17:04medical student body look like actually,
  • 17:06So this is matriculation
  • 17:08data for the last five years.
  • 17:10And actually what you find is that
  • 17:12the medical school has 25 to 35%
  • 17:15underrepresented in medicine minorities,
  • 17:1710 to 15% first generation and 20
  • 17:21to 30% international students.
  • 17:26What does Connecticut and
  • 17:27New Haven look like?
  • 17:29So connect,
  • 17:31the underrepresented in medicine
  • 17:33population base comprises 31%
  • 17:36of the Connecticut population,
  • 17:38but it comprises 65% of the
  • 17:42New Haven population.
  • 17:46Now, we've talked about, we've defined
  • 17:48the scope of the problem with with,
  • 17:50we've defined the problem, we've defined
  • 17:52the national scope of the problem.
  • 17:53We've brought the looked at the numbers
  • 17:56locally at Yale and the demographic
  • 17:58distribution of New Haven and Connecticut.
  • 18:01So what are the bottlenecks
  • 18:03that URM medical students face?
  • 18:05Well, bottlenecks are faced all along the
  • 18:08spectrum of the medical education journey.
  • 18:11I probably mistakenly left
  • 18:13out kindergarten there.
  • 18:14But it's fair to say that
  • 18:16even before medical school,
  • 18:18there's so many bottlenecks faced by
  • 18:20underrepresented potential medical students.
  • 18:22And there they are.
  • 18:25There is the achievement gap.
  • 18:26The achievement gap is the significant
  • 18:30and sustained difference in reading and
  • 18:34mathematics as tested from the 4th grade
  • 18:38all the way to K12 and has remained for
  • 18:41decades without significant change.
  • 18:44Resource gap is self-explanatory.
  • 18:46We have modern school segregation due to
  • 18:50as a function of socioeconomic status.
  • 18:52There's this stereotype threat.
  • 18:54There's the implicit bias
  • 18:56of educators and evaluators.
  • 18:57There's the implicit bias of
  • 18:59reference letter writers,
  • 19:00implicit bias on the admission system itself.
  • 19:03And this is all before we get
  • 19:05to medical school.
  • 19:06So what happens when we get
  • 19:09to medical school?
  • 19:10Now the AAMC started to look at this
  • 19:12in the late 80s and early to mid 90s.
  • 19:15This analysis in brief looked at
  • 19:18the attrition rate due to academic
  • 19:20reasons across racial groups in the
  • 19:23matriculating classes from 8792
  • 19:25and 95 for 10 years.
  • 19:27And you can see they found a significant
  • 19:30increased rate of attrition for all
  • 19:32the minority groups compared to
  • 19:34white and Asian medical students.
  • 19:36In fact,
  • 19:37the attrition rates due to academic
  • 19:39reasons for all the URM students were
  • 19:41more than four times that of white
  • 19:44or Asian students over 10 years.
  • 19:46So they're moving forward into the 2000s.
  • 19:48Another AMC analysis in brief this
  • 19:51time they looked at socio economic
  • 19:53status and the rate of attrition in
  • 19:56US medical matriculants in the 2000s.
  • 19:59Just looking at the first two years,
  • 20:01because 60% of attrition rates
  • 20:03in medical school,
  • 20:04at least 60% happened in the first
  • 20:06two years of medical school.
  • 20:08What they found was a low SES
  • 20:10as defined by no parent having a
  • 20:14college completed college.
  • 20:15Those students had 1.4 times higher
  • 20:18attrition rates than middle SES.
  • 20:20For students in the low SES,
  • 20:22they had more than two times.
  • 20:24Higher attrition rates than those
  • 20:26in the high SES,
  • 20:27which is defined by at least one
  • 20:29parent having a postgraduate degree.
  • 20:32It is often stated that academic
  • 20:34Rigo accounts for the difference
  • 20:37in attrition rates between
  • 20:39underrepresented and majority students.
  • 20:41These are.
  • 20:43This analysis looked at the different
  • 20:46MCAT cohorts and found that the
  • 20:49the disparity was still the same
  • 20:51for socio economic status.
  • 20:53So we've looked at how race
  • 20:55impacts attrition.
  • 20:56Now we've looked at how socio
  • 20:58economic status impacts attrition.
  • 20:59So now moving forward into the 2000
  • 21:02and 10s and this study out of Yale
  • 21:05by our illustrious MDPHD student,
  • 21:08Matin looked at actually USMD
  • 21:12matriculants for
  • 21:142014, 2015, looked at them for
  • 21:16six to seven years on adjusted
  • 21:18significant attrition rates.
  • 21:20Now they adjusted for MCAT scores and for
  • 21:24sex and still found significant increase in
  • 21:28the attrition rate for all the URM groups.
  • 21:31Same for low economics families,
  • 21:34low income families,
  • 21:34and on the people who grew up
  • 21:36in underserved neighbourhoods,
  • 21:38defined as neighbourhoods with,
  • 21:40that are underserved medically.
  • 21:42In fact, on analysis,
  • 21:44they found that the rate of attrition
  • 21:46was greatest among students with
  • 21:49three marginalized identities,
  • 21:50which was almost four times higher
  • 21:53than other students who had known,
  • 21:55even when adjusted for the
  • 21:57same MCAT scorings.
  • 22:02Now the same. Our same student,
  • 22:04MI 10 looked at the association of
  • 22:07racial and ethnic identity with attrition
  • 22:09rates from MDPHD training programs,
  • 22:12physician scientists.
  • 22:13They looked at close to 5000 students over
  • 22:168 years and they found that 2% graduated
  • 22:18with an MD only and 4% left medical school.
  • 22:22Graduating with an MD only was highest for
  • 22:25black students compared to all racial groups.
  • 22:27More black than white MD matriculans
  • 22:30left medical school. And in fact,
  • 22:33after again adjusting for the MCAT,
  • 22:35the odds of graduating with only
  • 22:37an MD and leaving medical school
  • 22:39were 50 and 83% higher.
  • 22:41Percent higher for black
  • 22:43than for white students.
  • 22:45So, significant bottlenecks faced
  • 22:48by students before medical school.
  • 22:51In medical school,
  • 22:52even adjusting for MCAT
  • 22:55scores and academic rigour.
  • 22:59Now you could ask the question,
  • 23:01well, why diversify the healthcare
  • 23:03workforce at all?
  • 23:05The answer comes in two words.
  • 23:07HealthEquity,
  • 23:07HealthEquity,
  • 23:08according to Cameron Jones,
  • 23:11is the assurance of conditions for
  • 23:13optimal health for all people.
  • 23:14Achieving HealthEquity requires valuing
  • 23:17all individuals and populations equally,
  • 23:20recognizing and rectifying historic injustice
  • 23:22and providing resources according to need.
  • 23:26Health is a fundamental human right.
  • 23:28HealthEquity is achieved when
  • 23:30everyone can attain their full
  • 23:32potential for health and well-being.
  • 23:34Sadly, in this great country,
  • 23:36perhaps the greatest country on the planet,
  • 23:41HealthEquity has never been attained.
  • 23:45We have never been free of health inequities.
  • 23:49Now,
  • 23:50the Institute of Medicine in about 2002
  • 23:55commissioned an expert panel to review
  • 23:58900 studies that controlled for poverty,
  • 24:01education and social determinants of health.
  • 24:04They tried to focus specifically on the
  • 24:06impact of race on the quality of healthcare.
  • 24:08It was published in 2003 and what
  • 24:12they found was that minorities,
  • 24:13especially black populations had
  • 24:15worse outcomes for almost all cancers,
  • 24:18HIV, pain control,
  • 24:19maternal and infant mortality,
  • 24:22cardiovascular disease,
  • 24:23diabetic amputations, etcetera.
  • 24:26And this is even adjusting
  • 24:27for health insurance,
  • 24:28education and socioeconomic status.
  • 24:30So this was really jarring and
  • 24:33shocking and obviously this is a
  • 24:36complex problem and but part of the
  • 24:38hypothesis that was that perhaps
  • 24:40implicit bias in the system and in
  • 24:43in providers contributed to this.
  • 24:45And so there was a large opera
  • 24:47to actually push to diversify the
  • 24:50healthcare workforce, medical schools,
  • 24:52GME training etcetera.
  • 24:54And obviously as we have seen sadly
  • 24:56there has been no significant
  • 24:58shift in diversification.
  • 24:59So it's not surprising that 20 years later,
  • 25:02we are exactly at the same spot.
  • 25:04Minorities, especially black populations,
  • 25:06have the highest date for
  • 25:08death rate for most cancers,
  • 25:10lowest overall survival rates.
  • 25:12Prostate cancer is horrible,
  • 25:14has horrible outcomes in males,
  • 25:16black males complete to any other group.
  • 25:18Black women are 40 times more likely to
  • 25:20die of breast cancer than white women,
  • 25:22even though white women are
  • 25:24likelier to get breast cancer.
  • 25:26Black people are twice as likely
  • 25:28to die from multiple myeloma,
  • 25:30amputation, diabetic care.
  • 25:31So we are nowhere,
  • 25:32we haven't shifted the needle at all,
  • 25:35so therefore the outcomes and
  • 25:38health inequities have persisted.
  • 25:40Now,
  • 25:41how do we know that actually
  • 25:43diversifying the healthcare
  • 25:45workforce would make a difference?
  • 25:47Well, this authors looked at patient,
  • 25:50physician, racial concordance and the
  • 25:52perceived quality and use of healthcare.
  • 25:54So it's qualitative but
  • 25:56by no means unimportant.
  • 25:58And they served different racial groups.
  • 26:02They found out black respondents
  • 26:04with black physicians were likely
  • 26:06that were likelier than those
  • 26:07with non black physicians to rate
  • 26:09their physicians as excellent.
  • 26:11Black respondents reported receiving
  • 26:12preventive and all the care that they
  • 26:15needed in the prior year to the study
  • 26:17and Hispanics with Hispanic physicians
  • 26:19were likelier than none those with
  • 26:21non Hispanic physicians to be very
  • 26:23satisfied with their healthcare.
  • 26:24So again qualitative but by
  • 26:27no means unimportant.
  • 26:28Moving a few years further along,
  • 26:30this authors looked at patient centered
  • 26:32communication ratings of care and
  • 26:34concordance of patient and physician race.
  • 26:36And again they found that race concordant
  • 26:39visits were more extended and and had
  • 26:41higher patient positive affect ratings.
  • 26:43And patients in race concordant visits
  • 26:45were more satisfied and rated their
  • 26:47physicians as more participatory,
  • 26:49qualitative but by no means unimportant.
  • 26:52So then we start to shift
  • 26:55into quantitative data.
  • 26:56So this is sometimes referred
  • 26:58to as the Oakland experiment.
  • 27:01About 650 black men were recruited
  • 27:03mostly from Barber shops and
  • 27:05the subjects were given a coupon
  • 27:07for free healthcare screening.
  • 27:09A clinic was set up with black
  • 27:11and non black doctors.
  • 27:12All the doctors knew whether they
  • 27:14were to do their best to encourage
  • 27:16the participants to engage in the
  • 27:18screening and get the flu shot.
  • 27:20Visit was in two stages,
  • 27:21pre consultation digital tablet and a
  • 27:24post consultation with the doctor in person.
  • 27:27The following health metrics were
  • 27:30offered including a flu shot.
  • 27:32What they found was that subjects who
  • 27:34saw black doctors were 18 absolute
  • 27:37percentage points more likely to
  • 27:39accept invasive tests and flu shots.
  • 27:41And based on the analysis,
  • 27:43they found that black doctors could
  • 27:45reduce the black white male gap in
  • 27:48annual cardiovascular mortality by 20%.
  • 27:50Now we're starting to shift to quantitative,
  • 27:53albeit experimental and now.
  • 27:57So this year,
  • 27:58few months ago,
  • 27:59these authors looked at black
  • 28:01representation in the primary
  • 28:03care physician workforce and its
  • 28:06association with population,
  • 28:07life expectancy and mortality rates.
  • 28:10They look they identified 1600
  • 28:12counties with at least one black
  • 28:15physician as a matter of interest.
  • 28:18There are 33 counties in the United States,
  • 28:20which means that 60% of the
  • 28:22counties in the United States do
  • 28:24not have one single black PCP.
  • 28:26They found that greater black workforce
  • 28:29representation was associated with
  • 28:31higher life expectancy and was
  • 28:33inversely related to all cost black
  • 28:35mortality and mortality disparities
  • 28:37between black and white individuals.
  • 28:39A 10% increase in black PCP
  • 28:42representation was associated with a
  • 28:44higher life expectancy of a month.
  • 28:47So now we start to see an impact on
  • 28:49a population basis quantitatively.
  • 28:52Now interestingly,
  • 28:53a few months later I find this
  • 28:56quite interesting because this
  • 28:58almost combines qualitative and
  • 29:00quantitative analysis.
  • 29:01These authors looked at social
  • 29:03demographic disparities in queue
  • 29:05jumping for emergency department care.
  • 29:08So it is stated that they this they looked at
  • 29:11Ed patient arrivals at two large
  • 29:14Eds within a large northeast health
  • 29:16system between 2017 and 2020.
  • 29:20Large northeast health
  • 29:22system that may be Yale.
  • 29:24So they had 300,000 visits to the Ed,
  • 29:2840% were white,
  • 29:2930% were black and 20% were Hispanic.
  • 29:31The third of all patients
  • 29:33experienced an unexplained Q jump,
  • 29:35defined as a patient being placed in
  • 29:38a treatment space ahead of a patient
  • 29:40of higher or equal acuity who actually
  • 29:43arrived earlier than that patient.
  • 29:46And what they found was that
  • 29:47the Q jump was statistically
  • 29:49more significant for non black,
  • 29:51Hispanic, Hispanic or Latino.
  • 29:53Sorry, non Hispanic,
  • 29:54black Hispanic or Latino,
  • 29:56Spanish speaking Medicaid patients.
  • 29:57And patients who were jumped
  • 29:59over had higher odds of being
  • 30:01in the hallway bed placement and
  • 30:03actually leaving before treatment.
  • 30:05So you can imagine what happens
  • 30:07in terms of healthcare outcomes.
  • 30:10So we have looked at defined the problem,
  • 30:13the scope of the problem nationally,
  • 30:15scope of the problem locally,
  • 30:18challenges faced by URM faculty,
  • 30:20bottlenecks faced by URM medical students,
  • 30:24impact of diversity on the
  • 30:26healthcare workforce and outcomes
  • 30:28qualitative and quantitative.
  • 30:29So I think it's fair to say it
  • 30:31is time for a paradigm shift.
  • 30:33It is time because numerous studies
  • 30:35have shown that physicians and
  • 30:37healthcare provider diversity enables
  • 30:38better access and quality of care to
  • 30:41diverse and underserved communities.
  • 30:43Greater Black health workforce
  • 30:45representation may actually lead to
  • 30:47higher life expectancy for Black
  • 30:49patients and we have an obligation
  • 30:51to provide representation of
  • 30:53providers and staff to reflect
  • 30:54the communities we serve.
  • 30:56We are obliged to care for our community
  • 30:58health and develop professionals from
  • 31:00within the communities we serve.
  • 31:02And so this brings us to Operation EB.
  • 31:06Equity begins with everyone.
  • 31:08Equality tries to measure or looks
  • 31:13for equal opportunities and equity
  • 31:18addresses outcomes and tries
  • 31:20to look for equal outcomes.
  • 31:23Most of the DEI work is in the
  • 31:26realm of the domain of equity.
  • 31:28And the blueprint basically is that
  • 31:31if we have increased representation
  • 31:33and outreach of minorities in faculty,
  • 31:37medical students, nurses,
  • 31:39physician assistants, etcetera,
  • 31:41we will have be able to recruit
  • 31:43more and retain more and we'll have
  • 31:45the circle of equity for healthcare
  • 31:47and medical education.
  • 31:48It will have an impact on medical education.
  • 31:51It will have an impact on patient outcomes,
  • 31:53which is ultimately what we're all about.
  • 31:57Now how do we get there?
  • 31:59So operation EB The strategy is
  • 32:03the verbs verbs so RRAR verbs,
  • 32:07R for retain for recruit, R for retain,
  • 32:11A for advance and R for relay.
  • 32:14And this is recommended for all departments,
  • 32:17all sections and all divisions.
  • 32:21So let's start with the first
  • 32:23action verb which is to recruit.
  • 32:25Now the GME office in collaboration
  • 32:29with the medical school and all
  • 32:32departments actually coordinates
  • 32:33outreach to medical student
  • 32:35organizations like the Latin Medical
  • 32:37Student Association and the Student
  • 32:39National Medical Association at
  • 32:41regional and national conferences.
  • 32:43In September we went to the LMSA
  • 32:45and this at this conferences we
  • 32:47exhibit training opportunities at
  • 32:49the medical school level because
  • 32:51the medical school sends a sends
  • 32:53representation and at the GME level
  • 32:58Yale has held its this year in September
  • 33:01its second annual virtual recruitment
  • 33:04event fair for all HBCU medical students.
  • 33:08We had over 100 students.
  • 33:10Yale holds in person events
  • 33:12at Howard and Meharry.
  • 33:13So all departments at all sections
  • 33:16are encouraged to engage with
  • 33:18the DME office as GME office.
  • 33:20As we coordinate all this,
  • 33:23we offer second look,
  • 33:24virtual and in person,
  • 33:25for URM candidates and in
  • 33:28collaboration with the University
  • 33:30pipeline Programs and College summer
  • 33:32programs for science and STEM.
  • 33:34In terms of faculty,
  • 33:36we recommend that all sections
  • 33:37and departments include DEI
  • 33:39representatives on search committees
  • 33:41and panels for certain positions,
  • 33:43like the instructor rank
  • 33:44that has no search committee.
  • 33:46We recommend advertising on the
  • 33:48career centers digitally of the
  • 33:50National Medical Medical Association,
  • 33:52which is a predominant African black
  • 33:54or African American physician group,
  • 33:56and the National Hispanic
  • 33:58Medical Association.
  • 34:02Now, having affinity groups
  • 34:05supported by an institution actually
  • 34:08fosters recruitment and retention.
  • 34:10The GME office and the Yale School of
  • 34:13Medicine has the supports the Yale
  • 34:15Minority House Staff Organization,
  • 34:17the Yale Women's House Staff Organization,
  • 34:19and just in last month was launched
  • 34:22the Yale First Generation Low Income
  • 34:25Longitudinal Mentorship Program.
  • 34:26Shout out to Doctor Jamie Cavallo from the
  • 34:30Department of Urology for leading this.
  • 34:32Something else that that we
  • 34:34are trying to establish,
  • 34:36I'm trying to establish with my team
  • 34:37in the Department of Medicine is a
  • 34:39Minorities in Medicine mentorship program.
  • 34:41Other departments and sections can do this.
  • 34:44Our program will pair one URM faculty
  • 34:46member with one to two URM trainees
  • 34:48or students and the mentor will be
  • 34:51part of each trainees mentor team.
  • 34:53I use the word trainee for students
  • 34:56and for GME Graduate trainees,
  • 34:58and the mentor's role is to provide
  • 35:00the trainee with the perspectives
  • 35:02of a URM physician.
  • 35:03It's a hybrid of a mentor and a
  • 35:05coach guide through the training
  • 35:07challenges and career challenges
  • 35:09faced uniquely by URM physicians.
  • 35:11And our hope is that this program will
  • 35:14be longitudinal and will create a support
  • 35:16structure that will foster trainee retention.
  • 35:18As faculty members themselves with us now,
  • 35:22after you recruit,
  • 35:24you have to retain.
  • 35:26It's recommended that all departments
  • 35:28and sections create a structure
  • 35:30for gender and ethnic concordant
  • 35:32mentoring for junior faculty,
  • 35:34Yale School of Medicine
  • 35:35has the Moore program,
  • 35:37which is the minority organization
  • 35:39for retention and expansion
  • 35:40at Yale School of Medicine.
  • 35:42I would encourage section on
  • 35:44department leaders to have their
  • 35:47minority faculty engage with this.
  • 35:50Every section department should
  • 35:52have a visible commitment to DEI.
  • 35:54Every section should have ADEI leader
  • 35:57and create a specific DI curriculum
  • 35:59which could include DI workshops,
  • 36:01retreats, invited speakers,
  • 36:03integration of diversity topics into
  • 36:05all aspects of the clinical curriculum,
  • 36:08ground rounds, etcetera.
  • 36:12Departments and sections should provide
  • 36:14support for clinician educators.
  • 36:15A big chunk of faculty,
  • 36:17URM and non URM faculty come to you because
  • 36:21they want to thrive as clinician educators.
  • 36:23We're all here now this session because
  • 36:25of the center at the collaboration
  • 36:27with the Center for Medical Education.
  • 36:29And so it is very important that all
  • 36:32departments and sections provide
  • 36:34support for clinical educators to
  • 36:36advance their educational skills.
  • 36:37The Center for Medical Education offers
  • 36:40a master's degree and a host of much
  • 36:42more other things that are offered that
  • 36:45can advance the clinician education career.
  • 36:48This is where section leaders,
  • 36:49department leaders should endeavour
  • 36:51to protect some time so that junior
  • 36:54faculty can advance their own careers.
  • 36:56They will stay on and and this will
  • 36:59lead to an increased retention and
  • 37:01part where they should be created and
  • 37:03defined to leadership opportunities
  • 37:05for academic clinicians and clinician
  • 37:08educators which are a very big chunk
  • 37:10of faculty as opposed to traditional
  • 37:12investigators or clinician scientists.
  • 37:15So we need to have a big tent approach
  • 37:18to advance all tracks and faculty
  • 37:22as part of retain retention efforts.
  • 37:24Every section should have a formal
  • 37:26mentoring structure that assigns
  • 37:28mentors to junior faculty.
  • 37:29A promotion advisory committee that
  • 37:32reviews faculty readiness for promotion
  • 37:35annually for URM and for non URM and the
  • 37:38F tax should inform and guide this process.
  • 37:41It's important that we don't
  • 37:43forget that section leaders,
  • 37:45senior faculty on promotion committee
  • 37:48may also benefit from ongoing workshops,
  • 37:51mentorship and sponsorship workshop so
  • 37:53that we are constantly embracing a culture
  • 37:56of academic sponsorship and mentorship.
  • 37:58And I I refer to Matt sponsorship and a
  • 38:01sponsor as a person in an organization
  • 38:03who is in a position of influence
  • 38:05and power who actively supports the
  • 38:07the career of a of prodigy protege.
  • 38:12We recruit, we retain now we have to advance.
  • 38:16We've talked about the minority
  • 38:18tax and section leaders.
  • 38:19Department leaders should facilitate
  • 38:21URM faculty academic advancement
  • 38:23by incorporating DDI efforts
  • 38:25and activities and leadership,
  • 38:27DDI activities, leadership,
  • 38:29clinical service,
  • 38:30scholarly creative activities,
  • 38:32community engagement as a significant
  • 38:35supporting criterion for promotion.
  • 38:37Faculty development programs
  • 38:38to advance scholarly skills for
  • 38:40junior faculty like the Department
  • 38:42of Medicine's Academic Clinician
  • 38:44Educator Scholars Program,
  • 38:45the Centre for Medical Education
  • 38:47does offers a ton of faculty
  • 38:50development training programs,
  • 38:52hands on bedside, etcetera,
  • 38:54how to be a better teacher.
  • 38:56So section leaders and Division and
  • 38:59Department Chiefs should encourage
  • 39:00engagement by junior faculty,
  • 39:02URM or otherwise,
  • 39:03with the Centre for Medical Education
  • 39:06and the OAPD office that offers
  • 39:08a lot of faculty development.
  • 39:11I just want to talk.
  • 39:13So we talked about the the minority
  • 39:15tax and how it's difficult to
  • 39:18capture and measure DEI efforts and
  • 39:20have that contribute to promotion.
  • 39:23We, my team and I are piloting a a
  • 39:25tool that captures and actually weights
  • 39:28DEI activities into impact scores.
  • 39:30We're calling it the Yield
  • 39:32DEI Productivity Calculator.
  • 39:33It's an online tool that you answer
  • 39:36some questions and it actually
  • 39:38generates and computes and spits
  • 39:40out the DEI activity impact
  • 39:42score to inform promotion.
  • 39:44We're hoping to pilot this in medicine.
  • 39:46We are going to pilot this in
  • 39:47medicine and actually currently
  • 39:49we are now doing this as part of
  • 39:52a a nationwide study to calibrate
  • 39:54activity impact scores and to
  • 39:56give it meaning and relevance.
  • 40:01Now we're here to the final final hour,
  • 40:03which is the final verb, which is to relay.
  • 40:05And the DE, the underrepresented
  • 40:08problem is not just institutional,
  • 40:11it's regional, it's national, and so every.
  • 40:15Institution or system that comes up with this
  • 40:18semi solution that can advance representation
  • 40:21should share this with the larger community.
  • 40:25And so the last verb is of the
  • 40:27Aurora verbs is the relay,
  • 40:29which is to share our strategies
  • 40:31regionally and nationally.
  • 40:32Conference workshops,
  • 40:33invited lectures, grand rounds,
  • 40:35media platforms, commentaries,
  • 40:37articles in peer reviewed journals.
  • 40:41We should join professional
  • 40:42organizations that advocate for
  • 40:43diverse and inclusive healthcare.
  • 40:45So we can advocate locally,
  • 40:47but we can also do it
  • 40:50simultaneously regionally,
  • 40:51SGIMACP, surgical groups,
  • 40:53gynecology groups as well.
  • 40:55And we can do it nationally.
  • 40:57We can advocate for policy and legislative
  • 40:59changes and we can participate in pipeline
  • 41:02programs into the Community Schools.
  • 41:05An example of successful
  • 41:06relaying is for instance,
  • 41:08the section of infectious diseases
  • 41:10within the Department of Medicine
  • 41:12during the pandemic created DEI
  • 41:15inclusive and anti racism curriculum.
  • 41:17It was very successful.
  • 41:19We're trying to model other sections
  • 41:20around it and they actually wrote about it.
  • 41:23So this is not just advocating locally,
  • 41:25but relaying it nationally.
  • 41:27Dr.
  • 41:28Sharon Austerfield Jones is a internist
  • 41:31and a paediatrician in the section
  • 41:34of in General medicine hospitalist.
  • 41:37She worked towards incorporating
  • 41:39DEI topics into existing curriculum
  • 41:41into the pediatric ground grounds
  • 41:43and then she wrote about it.
  • 41:44So not just making an impact locally,
  • 41:47but relaying it nationally.
  • 41:48And then our, our colleagues in surgery,
  • 41:52Doctor Paris Butler,
  • 41:54worked on programs and then
  • 41:55they share this nationally.
  • 41:56So in conclusion,
  • 41:58the four verbs we have to retain
  • 42:00underrepresented minorities,
  • 42:02we have, we have to recruit,
  • 42:04outreach and recruit.
  • 42:05We have to retain and support mentorship
  • 42:09programs to support productivity.
  • 42:13We have to advance academic
  • 42:15careers and leadership positions.
  • 42:16And then finally,
  • 42:17we have to relay our best practices.
  • 42:19And with that,
  • 42:20I thank you for your time and your attention.
  • 42:22Thank you very much.
  • 42:27Thanks so much. Ben.
  • 42:27You can take down your slides and we
  • 42:29have a few minutes for discussion.
  • 42:31And I I feel so grateful
  • 42:33to have serve it here.
  • 42:34And we've got, you know, Sharon,
  • 42:36we have so many people here doing
  • 42:38really excellent research in this area.
  • 42:40My first question,
  • 42:41I would love to hear, Ben,
  • 42:43when you're talking about
  • 42:44the DEI impact score,
  • 42:45tell me a little bit more
  • 42:47about that and would it be
  • 42:49for every faculty member?
  • 42:51Yes, thank you for the question.
  • 42:53So this is, this has bothered
  • 42:56everyone at academic centres.
  • 42:57How do you actually capture DEI
  • 42:59efforts and how do you make them count?
  • 43:01And how do you, you know,
  • 43:02people, If I say the h-index
  • 43:05for publication, everyone's,
  • 43:06everyone knows it and everyone's like,
  • 43:08Oh my God, h-index, etcetera.
  • 43:10So the idea, Janet,
  • 43:11here is that it's for all faculty,
  • 43:14yes, all specialities,
  • 43:15all faculty can use this.
  • 43:17And the idea is that that you
  • 43:21will have we have an online tool
  • 43:23that captures all activities.
  • 43:25So let's say I'm a faculty
  • 43:26going up for promotion.
  • 43:27I go on this online tool and
  • 43:29I answer several questions.
  • 43:31And as I'm asking questions like for
  • 43:33instance, it covers curriculum building,
  • 43:36research community work,
  • 43:37working with incarcerated,
  • 43:38working with the homeless,
  • 43:39mentoring students, recruiting students,
  • 43:41recruiting trainees,
  • 43:42recruiting faculty, recruit,
  • 43:44diversifying research teams.
  • 43:46And there is a weighted scoring
  • 43:48system to every answer.
  • 43:49And so automatically it comes out with the
  • 43:52diversity Diverse DEI Activity impact score.
  • 43:54And now to your question,
  • 43:55Janet,
  • 43:55is that what does that score mean?
  • 43:58So This is why we're now nationally trying
  • 44:00to calibrate it at this point as we speak,
  • 44:03we have sent out with the Yale
  • 44:06IRB exemption approval,
  • 44:07we have sent out this survey to
  • 44:10all the DEI champions across all
  • 44:12academic centers in the United States.
  • 44:15So we're starting to try to to to
  • 44:18measure what is the kind of the
  • 44:21high point by people who their
  • 44:23job description includes this.
  • 44:25And then so eventually what we hope
  • 44:27to have is that when someone's going
  • 44:29up for promotion that you can have
  • 44:32a page that shows national metrics,
  • 44:35regional, national and institutional.
  • 44:37If if if institutions are engaged.
  • 44:39And then you can have your candidates
  • 44:41who's coming up for promotion,
  • 44:43their own diversity impact score.
  • 44:45And then you can make an informed judgement
  • 44:48about how impactful their DEI work is,
  • 44:51especially if it's done
  • 44:53without protected time.
  • 44:54Because then you're literally
  • 44:56converting the the minority
  • 44:58tax into academic credit.
  • 45:00Now one thing I want to stress
  • 45:02absolutely importantly is that this
  • 45:04productivity calculator does not
  • 45:07assign any points based on identity or race.
  • 45:11It's only assigns points based on
  • 45:14activities that promote DEI and inclusion.
  • 45:20Very interesting because on CV Part 2,
  • 45:23we do have a section where we are required
  • 45:26to mention what we do in the DEI space.
  • 45:30So it'll be interesting to see how
  • 45:32this works together. Let's open it up.
  • 45:34Do others have questions?
  • 45:44Sandy has her hand raised.
  • 45:45Janet. Oh, thanks. I thanks.
  • 45:48Go ahead, Sandy. Thank you, Janet.
  • 45:49Thank you, Dorothy.
  • 45:51Benjamin, thank you so much.
  • 45:52This is really important work and
  • 45:55and very insightful and helpful
  • 45:57in our work in both in the student
  • 45:59realm as well as the faculty realm.
  • 46:01I just want to, I don't have a question.
  • 46:03I really just want to thank you
  • 46:05for calling out and including
  • 46:08physician assistants PAS.
  • 46:10So this work definitely impacts
  • 46:12the world of PAS and we're often
  • 46:15not included in these studies.
  • 46:17So thank you very much for that.
  • 46:19Oh, thank you. We are all one, I mean we're
  • 46:22all one healthcare team. Appreciate it,
  • 46:27Jeanette.
  • 46:29Yes, thank you so much for a
  • 46:32tremendous talk. Doctor Emba,
  • 46:35I'm interested you know the inclusion
  • 46:37of kind of low income first generation
  • 46:40in the DEI kind of definition.
  • 46:45Do you see that becoming more widespread
  • 46:48and national data including that measure,
  • 46:52I just you know I think it's
  • 46:54really important and I don't
  • 46:55feel like it's always captured.
  • 46:59Thank you for your question.
  • 47:00It is actually I see it getting more
  • 47:01and more involved in the discussion.
  • 47:03So if you look at if you first generation,
  • 47:0662% of the United States population,
  • 47:09households, 62% of the US
  • 47:12adults have not attended,
  • 47:13completed a four year degree
  • 47:15program or an associate's program.
  • 47:17And so. So it is very important
  • 47:20that and if you look at medical,
  • 47:23most medical schools now,
  • 47:25if you look over the last two
  • 47:27decades it was in the single digits
  • 47:29of medical school students that
  • 47:31are actually first generation.
  • 47:32And if you look at for instance Yale's
  • 47:34data now and which is across national data,
  • 47:37it correlates with national data
  • 47:39is that about 14 to 15% of medical
  • 47:42school intakes actually taking
  • 47:45in first generation families.
  • 47:47When you look at low socio economic
  • 47:49status when it comes to the poverty level,
  • 47:525 to 6% of all medical school
  • 47:55students come from official
  • 47:57poverty defined family households.
  • 48:00So in short, yes,
  • 48:01I do see more and more involved.
  • 48:03I know that the initial definition
  • 48:05was exclusively on race,
  • 48:07but then there are other populations
  • 48:09that as this this gathering momentum.
  • 48:11For instance,
  • 48:12the United States 13% of adults,
  • 48:15approximately 13% of adults are actually
  • 48:17registered as having a disability.
  • 48:19And in terms of medical school,
  • 48:21you only have about maybe 4% of
  • 48:23of medical students are disabled.
  • 48:26So clearly there's an on
  • 48:28the representation as well.
  • 48:29So so that's why it's as we push
  • 48:32forward inclusion should broaden it
  • 48:33shouldn't I don't think it should
  • 48:36be narrowed down just to race and
  • 48:38ethnicity but to all disadvantaged
  • 48:40cohorts that in the country.
  • 48:43There are also other I didn't
  • 48:44talk about it but there are even
  • 48:46with even the nuances within this.
  • 48:47You know,
  • 48:48a lot of my slides showed for
  • 48:50instance that they're the Asian,
  • 48:52Asian physicians are over represented
  • 48:54in faculty,
  • 48:54but there's a significant challenge
  • 48:57faced by Asian American faculty members,
  • 49:00which is that the pathway to leadership.
  • 49:03They for the last 20 years when you
  • 49:05look at the leadership Parity Index,
  • 49:08which is the representation of of
  • 49:12leaders from a racial group over
  • 49:14the total number in faculty,
  • 49:16the two two groups stand out,
  • 49:18women overall and Asian Americans
  • 49:20for the last 20 years have had a
  • 49:23leadership parity Index of less than one.
  • 49:26So there's so much,
  • 49:28there's so much inequity within
  • 49:29inequity within inequity.
  • 49:31It's like a matrix, like, you know.
  • 49:34So another question,
  • 49:35I'd love to hear your thoughts on this.
  • 49:37It's from Darren.
  • 49:38Now that the Supreme Court has
  • 49:40said race and ethnicity cannot
  • 49:42be used in admission discussions,
  • 49:44do you think they'll be more
  • 49:47examining our SES and thinking
  • 49:50about that with greater concern?
  • 49:53I I think that I think there will
  • 49:56be more attention paid to that.
  • 49:58But I also caution that though there's
  • 50:00an overlap, there's no it is not.
  • 50:02It's not a perfect surrogate
  • 50:04marker when it comes to race.
  • 50:07So you could have.
  • 50:10I definitely agree that both.
  • 50:12So it's a it's not a 0 sum game.
  • 50:14I think it's the the pie
  • 50:16should be larger overall.
  • 50:18What you find is that yes,
  • 50:20people will start to look at SES
  • 50:23parameters because unfortunately most
  • 50:25SES lower SES families are also minority
  • 50:27families or first generation families.
  • 50:30So yes, that is an important
  • 50:31metric to look at,
  • 50:32but following the SCOTUS
  • 50:34decision it is still.
  • 50:36First of all,
  • 50:37the decision does not have any impact
  • 50:39for outreach currently and recruitment,
  • 50:41recruitment efforts and
  • 50:43additionally the SCOTUS decision
  • 50:48it. It does not preclude obviously
  • 50:52as everyone knows integrating,
  • 50:55what attributes in individual's
  • 50:58applicancy contributes to
  • 51:00their overall lived experience.
  • 51:01And of course it's
  • 51:03impossible to separate race,
  • 51:05socio, economic status,
  • 51:06zip code from your overall,
  • 51:12from you or your identity.
  • 51:14So, but yes, I think Darren,
  • 51:15there will be much more
  • 51:16attention paid to that.
  • 51:17But I just cautioned that it shouldn't
  • 51:19just be a simple substitute.
  • 51:21It's very complicated.
  • 51:22It's very nuanced and we just have
  • 51:25to keep making the effort to make
  • 51:27sure that our inclusive strategy is
  • 51:30as inclusive as possible and that
  • 51:32we keep checking for the nuances
  • 51:34of inequities within all all the
  • 51:36strata that we are working on.
  • 51:43Thank you. Other questions,
  • 51:44I think we have time for one more
  • 51:46and Please note that we have the
  • 51:48evaluation which just takes a minute
  • 51:50so you can even start doing it.
  • 51:52It's really important for us to
  • 51:54get your feedback so you can go
  • 51:56into the chat and pick that up if
  • 51:58there's any last couple of questions.
  • 52:07And one thing I'm hoping for is
  • 52:09that we get more and more data
  • 52:12on on on clinical outcomes,
  • 52:14on population impact of diversifying
  • 52:17the healthcare workforce because
  • 52:18so it moves from this qualitative
  • 52:21metrics or outcomes or experience
  • 52:24or quality and access to actually
  • 52:28finding out that you know we
  • 52:30actually impact life expectancy,
  • 52:33mortality rates etcetera.
  • 52:36And then we have Natasha has
  • 52:38a important question for us.
  • 52:40Are there any data on
  • 52:42inter ethnic disparities,
  • 52:43for example the black immigrants
  • 52:46from Africa or Caribbean versus
  • 52:49American descendants of slaves?
  • 52:53OK, thank you for the question. So
  • 52:57one thing that's unique to all the data
  • 53:00presented and anywhere you get data
  • 53:02on URM participants or or trainees,
  • 53:06the data that I quote is restricted to
  • 53:09the AAMC only reports demographic data on
  • 53:14American citizens and green card holders.
  • 53:18And as you all know the US census groups and
  • 53:22most places that collect demographic data,
  • 53:26it doesn't go granular.
  • 53:28Like for instance if you check the box Asian,
  • 53:31there are at least 31 nationalities
  • 53:33cultures that could be Asian,
  • 53:35if you check the box black or African
  • 53:37American, you could be African,
  • 53:38you could be African,
  • 53:39multi generational, black American,
  • 53:41you could be Caribbean and
  • 53:42so on and so forth.
  • 53:44So I don't think the data exists
  • 53:47to at such a granular level.
  • 53:51Is there some,
  • 53:54Is there some angst or disagreements or
  • 53:58discordance within all racial groups?
  • 54:01I'm sure there are about how to
  • 54:02capture it and what to make of it.
  • 54:04It's, for now, remains unknown.
  • 54:09I'm sure we're going to
  • 54:10have people working on it.
  • 54:11Well, please fill out the eval.
  • 54:13And I really thank you, Ben,
  • 54:15for this wonderful work and
  • 54:17contributing to Yale and I'm
  • 54:19thrilled that you're here.
  • 54:20I'm sure we'll have many more discussions.
  • 54:22Patrick has a big thumbs up also.
  • 54:24So really appreciate everyone's time.
  • 54:27Thank you very much.
  • 54:28And just a reminder that equity
  • 54:30begins with everyone. Thank you,
  • 54:33Janet. Shelly has her hand raised.
  • 54:36I don't know if there's time
  • 54:38to address another quick.
  • 54:39Oh, wait, I just meant to do that.
  • 54:40Claps. I'm sorry, Ben.
  • 54:42You are fantastic. Ben.
  • 54:44Just wanted to acknowledge that.
  • 54:45Sorry, I'll lower my hand. No worries.
  • 54:48No worries. Great. Thank you.
  • 54:53So are we staying? We're
  • 54:54staying on. Right. OK. Yeah.