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April 04, 2024
  • 00:11Yes,
  • 00:23I'm just trying to give it back too.
  • 00:24So at the end, I have questions
  • 00:27and there's just about online that
  • 00:29I'll get the questions too. But,
  • 00:36but I'm going to pop down and
  • 00:39I'm going to go through. OK,
  • 00:53good afternoon, everybody.
  • 00:55We'll get started.
  • 00:56Welcome to Grand Rounds in
  • 00:58the Department of Pediatrics.
  • 00:59My name is Cliff Bogue.
  • 01:00I'm the chair of the department and
  • 01:02pleased to have all of you here and
  • 01:05especially our special guest speaker.
  • 01:06So I just have a few announcements
  • 01:08beforehand and then I'm going
  • 01:09to turn it over to Young *****
  • 01:12to introduce today's speaker.
  • 01:14So our upcoming next two grand rounds
  • 01:17next week we have what we call cared
  • 01:20care rounds and this is talking
  • 01:23about collateral damage orphaned by
  • 01:25trauma and we have Matthew Hornick
  • 01:28in peed surgery as long as Jessica
  • 01:31and Heather who are going to be here
  • 01:33to talk about a case presentation.
  • 01:36And then the next week,
  • 01:38April 17th,
  • 01:39we have Kristen Schroeder who's
  • 01:41coming from Duke University to talk
  • 01:44about global oncology development
  • 01:45of a comprehensive pediatric
  • 01:47cancer program in Tanzania.
  • 01:49So that should be really interesting.
  • 01:53Also for those of you who are going
  • 01:54to the pediatric academic societies
  • 01:56meeting in a few weeks,
  • 01:59please come out on Saturday night
  • 02:01to our dessert reception will be
  • 02:03at the Fairmont Royal York at.
  • 02:04You're welcome. Bring your friends,
  • 02:07people that you know alumni.
  • 02:08We'd love to see folks and have a
  • 02:10chance to connect and enjoy one
  • 02:12another at that meeting in Toronto.
  • 02:16Also we have, as you know we're getting near
  • 02:19the end of our strategic planning process
  • 02:22that's been going on for several months.
  • 02:25We're going to have a several one
  • 02:28hour virtual strategic plan feedback
  • 02:31sessions as an opportunity to give some
  • 02:33final feedback and most importantly
  • 02:35think about how do we move forward,
  • 02:37how do we get a broad buy in for some of the
  • 02:40exciting things we have in the in the plan.
  • 02:42So you'll be these
  • 02:44invitations will be going out,
  • 02:46but you can see we have them focused in
  • 02:50various pillars of of our department and
  • 02:53and so please encourage you if you're
  • 02:56available come to those and participate.
  • 02:59They'll be really one of the last
  • 03:02chances for that kind of impact
  • 03:04input before we sort of finalize the
  • 03:06plan and then begin to implement it.
  • 03:09All of our grand rounds are
  • 03:11available for CME.
  • 03:13We don't have any commercial support.
  • 03:16The number to text is here in
  • 03:18good old whiteboard and also
  • 03:19we'll be in the Zoom chat,
  • 03:22but you can get CME credit
  • 03:25for participation today.
  • 03:27And with that,
  • 03:27I'm going to turn it over to Yang
  • 03:29Hui from the Department of Genetics,
  • 03:31but also a close colleague in Pediatrics
  • 03:34to introduce today's speaker.
  • 03:39Thank you, Cliff. Indeed,
  • 03:42I'm the professor for genetics and Pediatrics
  • 03:44and Chief for the clinical genetics service.
  • 03:48Since last year we started in this
  • 03:50called the pediatric genetics,
  • 03:51joined Ron and last year was a great success.
  • 03:54And then we're going to keep doing
  • 03:56that every year and hope maybe we'll
  • 03:58do more and then one time per year
  • 04:02today is the best special speaker.
  • 04:04It's my prefer to kind of
  • 04:07introduce Doctor William GAO.
  • 04:10We should call Beer GAO.
  • 04:11It's much easier.
  • 04:13So for the people like Beer
  • 04:16clearly take a lecture to tell
  • 04:19his career great career for sure.
  • 04:21I can spend our to talking to the
  • 04:25his career or he can tell the story.
  • 04:28Bill is good storyteller.
  • 04:29He said OK I can tell story all the time.
  • 04:32So very quickly some is on the fly
  • 04:34this introduction for that and which
  • 04:37very quickly highlight something.
  • 04:38I will not touch UDMUDP because
  • 04:40he's going to tell the story just
  • 04:42put more not in the description
  • 04:44in the fly a few highlights.
  • 04:46So Bill Current is a senior
  • 04:50investigator and the director for UDP,
  • 04:53the head of a biochemical genetics.
  • 04:55He usually said he given a lot of
  • 04:58title last maybe 10 years and then
  • 05:01he was the clinical director for the
  • 05:04NHGI for almost longer than 15 years.
  • 05:07A long very very long than many
  • 05:09other title section chief.
  • 05:11Also he declined a lot of exciting
  • 05:14offer to he could be the and I and
  • 05:18I see actually director at some
  • 05:19point he said I don't want that one
  • 05:22or department chair some school and
  • 05:24all together but he clearly want to
  • 05:27dedicate his time to working on rare
  • 05:30disease undiagnosed disease that's
  • 05:32what he's the signature program he created.
  • 05:36He's a funding director 2008 and
  • 05:39that led to the UDN Undiagnosed
  • 05:42Disease Network 2017 right
  • 05:472017. Now he remained
  • 05:48active for that program.
  • 05:50He gave up many titles but he keep
  • 05:52this one for long term so quickly
  • 05:56be a graduate from MIT and then it
  • 06:00was probably missing opportunity
  • 06:02for Harvard did not take him to the
  • 06:05Harvard Medical School and he went
  • 06:07to the Wisconsin finished MDPHD and
  • 06:09did a pediatric residency and he was
  • 06:13a chief resident and and also come to
  • 06:16the NIH finishing clinical genetics
  • 06:19and clinical biochemical genetics.
  • 06:22His was funding ACMG American College
  • 06:25of medical genetics fellow he was
  • 06:28just what dinner tonight last night
  • 06:30he was telling a story at that
  • 06:32time doing board exam for medical
  • 06:34genetics like half people write
  • 06:36an exam for other half trainees.
  • 06:38So that's what how how the history goes.
  • 06:41So maybe it's easy then today,
  • 06:43so you don't have to go to
  • 06:45database to pick that one.
  • 06:46He's researched clearly he's
  • 06:49a physician scientist and it's
  • 06:51a role model for me for sure.
  • 06:54And he covered dedicated time to
  • 06:56discover the gene for rare disease
  • 06:59primarily by chemical genetic disorder.
  • 07:02Now he went ahead and did a lot of
  • 07:05basic science study understanding
  • 07:07what's the mechanism for that disease
  • 07:10then continue for developer treatment,
  • 07:12engage FDA.
  • 07:13He developed a multiple treatment
  • 07:15for rare disease and a lot of
  • 07:17the signature program.
  • 07:18If I look at the CV that's a list
  • 07:20of engagement with FDA and make
  • 07:22sure the patient in the clinical
  • 07:25gather that hope to after diagnosis.
  • 07:28And this clearly is a proliferix kind of Pi.
  • 07:32He published 650 paper and a lot
  • 07:37of clinical protocol and a lot of
  • 07:39product treatment FDA approval there.
  • 07:42Then he also discovered the signature
  • 07:45program is he discovered the molecular
  • 07:48basis for the cystinosis or sciatic
  • 07:51acid disorder which is pretty rare for
  • 07:53many of you probably have not heard
  • 07:55about and he probably will tell the
  • 07:57story too and the many other rare
  • 07:59disease most in the metabolic related.
  • 08:02Then his group after study UDP
  • 08:06discovered almost 300 disease gene and
  • 08:10the disorder and the more then as a
  • 08:15mentor I should mention Bill Trader
  • 08:19train 42 clinical biochemical genetic
  • 08:23fellow almost ten 110th of anti people
  • 08:27board certified in my specialty.
  • 08:30He was the first one push for
  • 08:33the new specialty called medical
  • 08:35biochemical genetics,
  • 08:36which I was the beneficiary.
  • 08:39I was the first founding fellow 2009 five
  • 08:44for because he's a vision for that program.
  • 08:48So you can see many of people he
  • 08:51trained including here and many
  • 08:53other institution is a leader in
  • 08:55the biochemical genetics.
  • 08:57As I said,
  • 08:58I would leave the UDPUT not touch that part.
  • 09:00He would tell the story.
  • 09:02Because of that you can clearly see
  • 09:06how much accomplishment and reward
  • 09:08that he has got. It's a long list.
  • 09:10I just pick a few.
  • 09:12I I I actually copy from his CV
  • 09:14make sure I cover some major one.
  • 09:17He received multiple time for
  • 09:19NIH director award many years
  • 09:21throughout his career.
  • 09:23He,
  • 09:23as NICHD Hall of the honor only 15 scientists
  • 09:28was recognized, would recognize
  • 09:322013, including three or four Nobel Laureate.
  • 09:36In that list he was the president of
  • 09:39a Society of Embroiler metabolism.
  • 09:42He received the Nathan Davis Award,
  • 09:44outstanding government service
  • 09:46from AMA Euris Lifetime Chiefman
  • 09:50Award and 2019 he was elected for
  • 09:54National Academy for Medicine.
  • 09:57With that I guess I should
  • 09:59say a few personal notes.
  • 10:01As you know I I'm clinical genetics
  • 10:03also clinical I think I call them
  • 10:05medical biochemical genetics,
  • 10:07not clinical biochemical genetics
  • 10:08that's more lab to direct it.
  • 10:10So I definitely know Bill's all works before
  • 10:13I know him in person so we can know him.
  • 10:16It's when the UDN when I was at Duke.
  • 10:20We are part of a clinical side of the UDN
  • 10:24funding like the first seven side name.
  • 10:26So we met her before the COVID.
  • 10:29We met her regularly quarterly
  • 10:31at DC or some other House Hotel.
  • 10:35Now we're starting to engage with a
  • 10:38Bill and learn he's a he's a great
  • 10:42visionary leader for this field.
  • 10:44One thing I like very much is
  • 10:45every time you notice Consortium,
  • 10:47so many people in a meeting and he
  • 10:49often time opened up the talk at
  • 10:51the beginning for the Consortium
  • 10:52as you know to try to get all these
  • 10:54smart people in the same room to
  • 10:56talking some challenging topics,
  • 10:58a very,
  • 10:59very sometimes very challenging.
  • 11:00So Pierre usually opened up
  • 11:04sometimes kind of light moment joke
  • 11:061st and make everyone laugh first.
  • 11:08So as you can see it when you laugh,
  • 11:11everything can synchronize very well.
  • 11:13After that initial sort of first
  • 11:15few minutes you always can find
  • 11:17a way to make everyone laugh.
  • 11:19And before we get in serious
  • 11:21about our serious topic so that
  • 11:23I was fair bit impressed,
  • 11:25I'm missing out a lot of things
  • 11:27are really good to hear.
  • 11:28I hope we can join you back and
  • 11:31enjoy that part of learn how you
  • 11:33are leading this consortium and and
  • 11:36visionary leader for this very,
  • 11:38very challenging topic for
  • 11:40often time in the medicine.
  • 11:43And also I think 2015 was a Project
  • 11:47B and I have made a trip to the
  • 11:50Shanghai to kind of disseminate all
  • 11:54Nash international outreach for UDA P
  • 11:58program that was great fun to when together.
  • 12:01I really still remembers a lot of people
  • 12:03also almost try to show one picture here.
  • 12:06We will definitely show
  • 12:07next time with that Bill,
  • 12:08thank you so much for coming
  • 12:10from your busy schedule and we're
  • 12:11looking forward to your talk.
  • 12:17Thanks very much.
  • 12:18I'll try to get people to laugh
  • 12:20with me rather than laugh at me.
  • 12:22And also some of the jokes that I tell here,
  • 12:25I can't actually tell in Shanghai,
  • 12:28but where's this all? Here we go.
  • 12:30So and I want to tell stories today,
  • 12:33stories about unusual diseases and mechanisms
  • 12:36of disease that you're not so likely to see,
  • 12:40but that still interest us and may have
  • 12:43applications to common disease because
  • 12:45that's what happens with some rare diseases.
  • 12:48And I want to mention that Cindy Tift is the
  • 12:51Director of the pediatric portion of the
  • 12:54UDP and David Adams does the bioinformatics.
  • 12:56And we have two great neurologists
  • 12:58I mentioned here and two great
  • 13:00internists and a psych coordinator.
  • 13:01And this program is supported by the
  • 13:05volunteer efforts of a huge number of
  • 13:07experts within the intro program of
  • 13:09the NIH experts in rare diseases there.
  • 13:12This program was established in and
  • 13:15announced in May of 2008 with two goals.
  • 13:18One to help people reach a diagnosis
  • 13:20when they've sought A diagnosis
  • 13:22and haven't been able to get one,
  • 13:24and the other is to discover new
  • 13:26things about biochemistry and cell
  • 13:28biology and mechanisms of disease.
  • 13:29So to contribute to medicine.
  • 13:31And the way it works is that the
  • 13:34applicants submit their medical records
  • 13:35and I for the adults and doctor TIFF for
  • 13:38the children will look them over and
  • 13:40triage them to different experts to say,
  • 13:43offer an opinion about whether this
  • 13:46is reasonable or not as something
  • 13:47that we should study.
  • 13:49We only accept about 1/3 or so of the
  • 13:52people who apply and we offer some advice
  • 13:55to the others and the ones that we see,
  • 13:57we see for a week at the NIH free of charge.
  • 14:00So we don't charge any third parties either.
  • 14:03Over the course of the last 15 or 16 years,
  • 14:05we've seen over 6000 medical records
  • 14:07and seen over 1600 at the NIH.
  • 14:10A lot of kids and more than half of
  • 14:12our cases are neurological cases,
  • 14:14a lot of exomes and especially family exomes.
  • 14:17We get a skin biopsy for fibroblast
  • 14:20culture to do some gene function
  • 14:22studies on about 70% of the patients.
  • 14:25We see a lot of diagnosis and
  • 14:28publications as well.
  • 14:29And for the genetics,
  • 14:32we can do customized
  • 14:35personalized phenotyping,
  • 14:36but also some of the genetics
  • 14:39that's available commercially.
  • 14:40We also do snip arrays on many of our
  • 14:44patients and excellence and genomes
  • 14:45as I mentioned and for some of them
  • 14:48when we have multiple different
  • 14:49candidate genes and variants and genes,
  • 14:52we'll do functional studies in
  • 14:54fibroblasts and there's a model organisms
  • 14:56core as well that we can employ.
  • 14:59I wanted to give you some examples
  • 15:01of discovery and this is an early
  • 15:03discovery of ours.
  • 15:04We saw five adults from the Kentucky,
  • 15:08Ohio region who are all siblings and
  • 15:11they had claudication in their lower
  • 15:13extremities because of ischemic pain.
  • 15:15So vascular insufficiency is what they had.
  • 15:18Their coronaries were largely
  • 15:21spirit, but these are their arteries
  • 15:25and this is there's no contrast here.
  • 15:28So this is all calcification of their
  • 15:30femoral and popliteal arteries.
  • 15:31And here it is on PA.
  • 15:34And see the Der Salus petis calcified here.
  • 15:38No wonder they had pain and they were
  • 15:42surviving off their collaterals.
  • 15:44And they also had in the metacarpal
  • 15:46phalangeal joints some calcification.
  • 15:48There you can see that as well.
  • 15:51Well, it turns out that their
  • 15:53parents were third cousins,
  • 15:55and we know that the first
  • 15:56cousins share 1/8 of their genes.
  • 15:58Second cousins share 132nd of their genes.
  • 16:01Third cousins share one 128th of their genes.
  • 16:04So if we're going to consider this a
  • 16:07recessive disorder that may be caused
  • 16:10by the consanguinity that they have,
  • 16:12we can look in one 128th of their genes,
  • 16:16that is to say,
  • 16:17the regions in which they are homozygous.
  • 16:20And the reason that that's important is
  • 16:21because in that region of homozygosity,
  • 16:23if you have one variant,
  • 16:25you're going to have two variants,
  • 16:26and this could have caused
  • 16:28a recessive disease.
  • 16:29Well, it turns out that there
  • 16:31were such regions on a SNP array,
  • 16:33single nucleotide polymorphisms.
  • 16:35That disarray contains a million of those,
  • 16:39meaning that since they're 3.2 billion bases,
  • 16:42these SNPs are about 3000 bases apart.
  • 16:47And every one of these little
  • 16:49blue dots is a SNP.
  • 16:50And so the those blue dots,
  • 16:55the separation between them
  • 16:56represents 3000 bases.
  • 16:58So this is a region of chromosome 6,
  • 17:00and what's shown those dots
  • 17:03are only the heterozygous SNPs.
  • 17:05So we've eliminated the top ones
  • 17:07which are the AAS and the bottom
  • 17:09ones which are the BBS and this,
  • 17:11these are the ABS that you see.
  • 17:13And you can see that for the siblings here,
  • 17:16that's children 12345.
  • 17:18They all have a region with
  • 17:21no heterozygosity.
  • 17:21So they're homozygous in this region,
  • 17:23meaning that this if there's a variant here,
  • 17:26they're going to have it on
  • 17:27both of their alleles.
  • 17:29And that was a region of 22
  • 17:31mega bases with 92 genes.
  • 17:32And our heart,
  • 17:33lung and blood associates picked out
  • 17:36anti 5E as a candidate for causing
  • 17:38this disease and that encodes CD 73,
  • 17:43an enzyme in the vascular endothelium
  • 17:46that converts AMP to adenosine
  • 17:49and inorganic phosphate.
  • 17:51And in fact these five individuals
  • 17:54you see here had all homozygous
  • 17:58nonsense mutation shown here we found
  • 18:01another family with three affected
  • 18:04individuals with a different mutation,
  • 18:06also homozygous and then a compound
  • 18:09heterozygous family as well.
  • 18:11So those individuals in three
  • 18:13different families.
  • 18:14And it turns out that the
  • 18:16fibroblasts expressed this gene.
  • 18:17So here's NT 5E expression in normals.
  • 18:20And then in two of the affected individuals,
  • 18:23the enzyme activity was also
  • 18:24decreased in the fibroblast,
  • 18:26and this enzyme activity could
  • 18:28be rescued by transduction with
  • 18:30a vector that contains CD 73,
  • 18:32the missing enzyme.
  • 18:33So we're trying to prove fusality here,
  • 18:36and that's pretty much how we get it.
  • 18:38Furthermore,
  • 18:38the fibroblasts express not only the
  • 18:41genotype but a phenotype and the
  • 18:45phenotype was increased alkaline
  • 18:47phosphatase activity.
  • 18:49You'll see why this is important,
  • 18:50but this is the affected patients
  • 18:54cultures of fibroblast stained
  • 18:56for alkaline phosphatase.
  • 18:58This is the control and when
  • 19:00you treat with adenosine,
  • 19:01which is the missing product of the CD 73,
  • 19:06you mitigate the alkaline phosphatase
  • 19:09excess and in other words, it rescues it.
  • 19:12It not only rescues that,
  • 19:14but it rescues calcification.
  • 19:17Alizarin red staining is a
  • 19:20reflection of calcium accumulation.
  • 19:23So here's the affected
  • 19:24compared to the normal.
  • 19:25And here is the cell culture of the
  • 19:30affected individuals transduced
  • 19:32with a lentivirus containing CD73.
  • 19:34You see it corrects the calcification.
  • 19:37So does adenosine,
  • 19:39again the product that's
  • 19:40missing and so does levamisol,
  • 19:42which is an inhibitor
  • 19:44of alkaline phosphatase.
  • 19:45So alkaline phosphatase is very important,
  • 19:48has a very important role in this.
  • 19:51And that that role is shown here.
  • 19:53Ordinarily on the vascular endothelium
  • 19:56you have CD 73 converting AMP to
  • 20:00adenosine and then adenosine interacts
  • 20:02with the vascular cell receptors.
  • 20:05To trophically inhibit tissue non
  • 20:08specific alkaline phosphatase.
  • 20:10When that doesn't happen and and you
  • 20:12see that in the patient's fibroblasts
  • 20:14that didn't happen because the patients
  • 20:17had increased alkaline phosphatase,
  • 20:19then the alkaline phosphatase
  • 20:20which is supposed to go to the
  • 20:23surface of the cells and convert
  • 20:26pyrophosphate into inorganic phosphate,
  • 20:28that doesn't happen and instead you
  • 20:31have too much alkaline phosphatase and
  • 20:34the inorganic phosphate is formed and
  • 20:37it enhances mineralization whereas the
  • 20:40pyrophosphate normally inhibits and
  • 20:42that accounts for the calcification
  • 20:44in the vessels of these individuals.
  • 20:48Here's another case,
  • 20:51an 18 month old little girl who had
  • 20:53failure to thrive and some intestinal
  • 20:56problems with TTP and dependent etcetera.
  • 20:58But her sort of claimed the fame for
  • 21:03this particular disorder was she had
  • 21:05hypopigmentation and the poor visual
  • 21:07acuity that associates with it.
  • 21:08Also had organomegaly, liver,
  • 21:10spleen, kidney and storage there,
  • 21:13and also had developmental delay with
  • 21:17poor myelination and some infections too.
  • 21:22But I'll mention this before telling you
  • 21:25why she had no osteopatrosis and we'll
  • 21:29keep that in mind when we see what she had.
  • 21:33So here she is.
  • 21:36She has cutaneous albinism
  • 21:38and also white hair.
  • 21:41She actually has some pigment in her iris,
  • 21:43which is very unusual and
  • 21:45delayed myelination here.
  • 21:46And here's her storage in the liver,
  • 21:49these big storage cells and in the
  • 21:52duodenum and in the PMMS etcetera.
  • 21:54And even in the fibroblast,
  • 21:55she has bacols here.
  • 21:57Bacols are better seen here as well.
  • 22:00And then we found another patient who
  • 22:03had essentially the same phenotype.
  • 22:05So again, hypopigmentation,
  • 22:07large liver, spleen,
  • 22:09kidney and storage,
  • 22:11developmental delay for myelination
  • 22:14and no osteoporosis.
  • 22:17Here's the fella and his dad,
  • 22:19and here's the poor myelination.
  • 22:22And here's the storage.
  • 22:24And the storage and the storage fibroblast.
  • 22:28Well,
  • 22:28it turns out we found a de Novo
  • 22:31mutation in a gene called CLCN 7,
  • 22:35and CLCN 7 has a particular
  • 22:38function in lysosomes.
  • 22:40When the proton pump pumps hydrogen
  • 22:43ions into a lysosome it does so
  • 22:45for a long time and and then the
  • 22:48hydrogen ions accumulate on the
  • 22:49inner membrane of the lysosome
  • 22:51and create an electric chemical
  • 22:54gradient against which the next
  • 22:56proton has a hard time getting in.
  • 23:00So in order to dissipate that gradient
  • 23:04God created CLCN 7 to put a counter
  • 23:08ion chloride into the lysosome.
  • 23:11So you if you don't have CLCN 7 you can't
  • 23:14acidify the lysosome very well at at all.
  • 23:18So chloride,
  • 23:19This CLCN 7 provides the
  • 23:21counter ion for this.
  • 23:23And in fact there's a disease
  • 23:25associated with loss of function
  • 23:27by allelic mutations in CLCN 7.
  • 23:30That is a disease called osteopatrosis.
  • 23:32So in other words,
  • 23:33the bone doesn't get broken down
  • 23:35because the osteoclasts can't create
  • 23:39the lacunae of acidic lysosomes to
  • 23:43use the hydrolases to breakdown the
  • 23:45bone so they have osteopetrosis.
  • 23:48Again, loss of function bileelic.
  • 23:50This was instead a mutation
  • 23:52in a different spot which was
  • 23:55monolelic and de Novo.
  • 23:57So we posited that this
  • 23:58is a gain of function.
  • 24:00And our collaborator Joe Mendel and
  • 24:02NANDS did patch clamp studies of
  • 24:05xenoposol sites to demonstrate the
  • 24:07chloride channel and the chloride
  • 24:09movement across the membrane
  • 24:12of these oocytes.
  • 24:13When he put in the wild type,
  • 24:15he got this much current.
  • 24:16When he put in the mutant,
  • 24:17he got this much current.
  • 24:18And that increase in current was
  • 24:21associated down here with more acid.
  • 24:26In other words,
  • 24:27hyperacidosis of the lysosome.
  • 24:30Used fluorescent markers to demonstrate that.
  • 24:33But you can see the difference
  • 24:34in fluorescence in the
  • 24:35pro band, the other pro band and
  • 24:38the consequent decrease in pH
  • 24:41really only a .2 or .3 units of pH,
  • 24:45but that's it's a log scale.
  • 24:48So that's a lot of more acid in
  • 24:51these lysosomes of these individuals.
  • 24:54So we're saying that this is a new
  • 24:56disease associated with hyper acidity
  • 24:58of the lysosomes and you can see why
  • 25:01that would cause storage because the
  • 25:03lysosomal hydrolases not only need acid,
  • 25:06they needed the the right pH.
  • 25:09Isn't a an optimal pH occur for these things,
  • 25:14So it can't be too acid.
  • 25:15It can't be not enough.
  • 25:16Not only that,
  • 25:17but this was a dominant disorder and we
  • 25:21proved that by transfecting the mutant
  • 25:25CLC on 7 gene into normal fibroblasts.
  • 25:30So remember these normal fibroblasts
  • 25:31is a normal contingent of CLC on 7.
  • 25:33Now they've also got the the mutant
  • 25:35and the mutant causes the accumulation
  • 25:37of vesicles that you see here.
  • 25:39So dominant disorder and then our
  • 25:43people Rallu and May created a mouse
  • 25:47knock in of the mouse paralogue of
  • 25:51it's called CLCN 7 and those mice are
  • 25:55a little bit hypo pigmented and they
  • 25:58have the back rules and they have
  • 26:00the storage in their liver etcetera.
  • 26:02Well,
  • 26:03one interesting issue is that you
  • 26:05can actually alkalinize lysosomes.
  • 26:07We knew this from the early studies
  • 26:09of new fell etcetera and the way you
  • 26:11can do it is by giving chloroquine.
  • 26:13So we fed these folks fed chloroquine
  • 26:18and lysotrac or red is an indication
  • 26:21of lysosomal acidity.
  • 26:23So all this red here and then you
  • 26:26add more higher concentrations of
  • 26:27chloroquine and the red goes away,
  • 26:30meaning that you're now offering
  • 26:32some alkalinization to the lysosomes
  • 26:34and you can see that the pH actually
  • 26:36goes up with increased chloroquine.
  • 26:38Well,
  • 26:38one the the physician for the patient
  • 26:41from Ghana was Doctor Deborah de
  • 26:44Salvatore in New Brunswick and
  • 26:46she wrote a protocol to treat her
  • 26:49patient with chloroquine.
  • 26:50And when she did that,
  • 26:52his kidney size decreased.
  • 26:53He had more energy.
  • 26:55He rolled over for the
  • 26:57first time in his life.
  • 26:58Both of our patients died their disease,
  • 27:01but a number of other patients
  • 27:03have appeared and we're trying to
  • 27:07establish a protocol to treat them
  • 27:09with the legal specific Aligos
  • 27:10because this is a gain of function
  • 27:12that maybe you could knock down.
  • 27:17Another case of a couple of
  • 27:18brothers who we saw early and
  • 27:21they had lost some milestones,
  • 27:22became a toxic and myoclonic, had seizures.
  • 27:26One of them died and they had an
  • 27:28MRI that showed a small cerebellum
  • 27:30and we didn't know what they had.
  • 27:33So here's the small cerebellum
  • 27:34which you can see in the pro band
  • 27:36compared to the mom and the dad.
  • 27:37So we did an exome sequencing on
  • 27:40the family and it turns out there
  • 27:42are six members of the family.
  • 27:44So we had the parents and we had
  • 27:46two affected and two unaffected.
  • 27:48And when you compare 1 exome
  • 27:50with another exome,
  • 27:51there'll usually be about 20,000 variants.
  • 27:55So among all these family of six,
  • 27:56there are 120,000 variants that were
  • 28:00different and so we had to filter
  • 28:02that down and we finally filtered it
  • 28:04down to considering that this was
  • 28:06going to be a a recessive disease
  • 28:08because the parents were first cousins
  • 28:09and shared 1/8 of their genes.
  • 28:11So we're looking for a recessive
  • 28:13disorder with the homozygous variant
  • 28:15that we would call a mutation
  • 28:18eventually found one in AFG 3L2.
  • 28:20So homozygous for that and AFGL 3L2.
  • 28:25AFG 3L2 is a very interesting
  • 28:28mitochondrial protease that is important
  • 28:31for the formation of axons in nerves,
  • 28:35and this protein does two things.
  • 28:39It forms a heterodimer with a
  • 28:42protein called paraplegian and then
  • 28:44it forms a homodimer with itself.
  • 28:47And there were already diseases
  • 28:49associated with AFG 3O2 and paraplegia.
  • 28:53The paraplegian gene was a recessive
  • 28:57hereditary ******* paraplegia
  • 28:59and the AFG 3L2
  • 29:03disorder was SCA 28 was a
  • 29:07dominant spinal cerebellar ataxia,
  • 29:09but this was the first occasion in which
  • 29:12there were bioelic mutations in AFG 3L2.
  • 29:14In other words, complete loss of function.
  • 29:16So this protein could no
  • 29:19longer react with itself.
  • 29:21There were no good copies to form the
  • 29:25homodimer and it can no longer react with
  • 29:28paraplegion and form the heterodimer.
  • 29:29So these patients,
  • 29:31these boys had both diseases,
  • 29:33they had both SBG 7 and SCA 28
  • 29:36along with myoclinic epilepsy only
  • 29:39patients in the world with that.
  • 29:42So over the course of our work in the
  • 29:46undiagnosed these program which is
  • 29:49within the NIH intramural program,
  • 29:51we have discovered 30 new disease
  • 29:54gene associations and some of
  • 29:56them are listed here.
  • 29:57So the phenotype on the left and then
  • 30:00the gene associated with it on the right.
  • 30:02And obviously in order to prove
  • 30:04that you have this association,
  • 30:07you need to publish it,
  • 30:08which means you need at least
  • 30:09two cases to demonstrate it.
  • 30:11And here are 15 other ones.
  • 30:16Now I want to show you a phenotypic
  • 30:18expansion because sometimes we discover
  • 30:20new diseases and sometimes we discover a
  • 30:23different expression of a known disease,
  • 30:25and that's what we're going to show you here.
  • 30:27This is a tube B4B tubulopathy.
  • 30:31So you know, the microtubules transport
  • 30:35things like small vesicles from near the
  • 30:39nucleus to the plasma membrane, etcetera.
  • 30:41So here's a little girl who's got some
  • 30:43eye findings and some dysmorphisms
  • 30:46and she's got hypophosphatemic
  • 30:48rickets along with nephrocalcinosis.
  • 30:51In fact, we documented renal tubular
  • 30:54Fanconi syndrome in here along with
  • 30:56hearing loss and her hypotonia and
  • 30:59we found a de Novo heterozygous
  • 31:01mutation in tube B4B and we eliminated
  • 31:05all other causes of that we knew of
  • 31:09renal tubular Franconi syndrome.
  • 31:10Incidentally, a lot of this work
  • 31:12was done by Jason McFadden here,
  • 31:14who is matriculating into Yale
  • 31:16Medical School next year.
  • 31:17So we're all proud of him.
  • 31:20And so the known diseases of tube B4B,
  • 31:23the at least two phenotypes associated,
  • 31:25one was up here with this mutation,
  • 31:27the C1171 and this the 1172 etcetera
  • 31:31and they all had the auditory
  • 31:33dysfunction and some eye findings
  • 31:36etcetera along with various other stuff.
  • 31:39But none of the patients associated with
  • 31:42these mutations had renal tubular Franconi
  • 31:45syndrome or hypophosphatemic rickets.
  • 31:47Ours was a different mutation.
  • 31:51In order to understand how
  • 31:53this might be occurring,
  • 31:55we got help and collaboration from
  • 31:58an expert in this in child health,
  • 32:02and he taught us about microtubules.
  • 32:06They start out as dimers of alpha
  • 32:08and beta tubulin,
  • 32:09and then they form lines,
  • 32:11and then the lines line up and form
  • 32:14essentially circles,
  • 32:15which are really cylinders.
  • 32:18And there's an edge that is growing.
  • 32:22I'll show you that here the edge
  • 32:24grows and then it recedes.
  • 32:27And this growth and recession
  • 32:29is critical for movement of
  • 32:34vesicles along these microtubules.
  • 32:36If you don't have this ability
  • 32:38to grow and to recede,
  • 32:39you can't move things and the
  • 32:42microtubules don't form properly.
  • 32:45So it turns out that there's a site on
  • 32:49the tube B4B that is responsible for the
  • 32:54microtubule assembly and disassembly.
  • 32:57And that site is a site that binds
  • 33:01GTP and has a GTPA that hydrolyzes
  • 33:08the GTP to GDP.
  • 33:10And that site is here and the
  • 33:15mutations in previous cases are
  • 33:17here and here having nothing to do
  • 33:20with that Gtpa's activity site.
  • 33:23But our patients mutation is right
  • 33:26nearby and likely affected that Gtpa's
  • 33:29activity and site and therefore impaired
  • 33:33the disassembly of these microtubules.
  • 33:36And there's evidence for that,
  • 33:38biochemical evidence because when
  • 33:40microtubules don't disassemble,
  • 33:42they stay around longer and
  • 33:45therefore they are modified and
  • 33:47they're modified by acetylation.
  • 33:49So when you measure total
  • 33:52turbulent by a western blot,
  • 33:54you see that the control and the probe
  • 33:56band have the same amount roughly,
  • 33:57but when you measure accelerated tubulin,
  • 34:00the probe band has much more
  • 34:02because the stuff is sitting
  • 34:04around not being disassembled.
  • 34:06This is a little bit to me like
  • 34:08collagen being over modified.
  • 34:09When there are variants and it stays,
  • 34:11it has more time to be modified anyway.
  • 34:16This indicates that the disassembly
  • 34:18did not occur properly and leads
  • 34:20us to the hypothesis for the
  • 34:22renal tubular Franconi syndrome,
  • 34:24namely that these tubules in renal
  • 34:29tubular cells in proximal tubular
  • 34:31cells move vesicles which contain
  • 34:36phosphate transporters like SLC 34A3.
  • 34:41And those transporters in the
  • 34:42vesicles need to be moved to the
  • 34:45plasma membrane of the tubules
  • 34:46in order for them to function to
  • 34:49reabsorb phosphate back into the body.
  • 34:51And when that doesn't occur because there's
  • 34:54no disassembly of the microtubules,
  • 34:57the stuff the vesicles don't move,
  • 34:59the transporter is not moved to the
  • 35:01plasma membrane and these individuals cannot,
  • 35:05cannot reabsorb their phosphate.
  • 35:07So we told the family about this.
  • 35:11It had been 10 years.
  • 35:12We'd seen the family, but kept working
  • 35:14on it and they were very pleased.
  • 35:16And that's Jason. OK.
  • 35:18So I would say that first of all,
  • 35:21collaboration is important.
  • 35:22This is possibly a mechanism for
  • 35:25hypophosphatemic rickets and it was a great
  • 35:27learning experience for for everybody.
  • 35:29I'm going to quickly go through some
  • 35:33diagnosis to demonstrate the unusual
  • 35:35nature of the diagnosis that we make.
  • 35:38Here are some that are we would call rare
  • 35:41and I have like several slides of this.
  • 35:43So I'm going through these fast.
  • 35:44You don't have to actually look at any
  • 35:47of these unless you find it of interest.
  • 35:49But you see five in the world,
  • 35:50six families in the world,
  • 35:5120 families in the world,
  • 35:52etcetera.
  • 35:53Really unusual stuff because we get our
  • 35:55patients from major medical centers that
  • 35:57have already worked up the patients,
  • 35:59you know really a lot and more diagnosis.
  • 36:04I generally say that if you know
  • 36:07all or almost all these diagnosis,
  • 36:09you should get a life.
  • 36:14Even geneticists will not know most,
  • 36:16most of these in general and
  • 36:18some the recent diagnosis.
  • 36:20Yeah, I don't want to waste a lot of time
  • 36:22on this but a lot of and then a couple
  • 36:25of cases of personalized treatment.
  • 36:27This is a 12 year old girl who had
  • 36:29these exostoses and you can see it's
  • 36:32not pleasant and you can see it with
  • 36:34the arrow here and turns out she
  • 36:38had familial tumoral calcinosis,
  • 36:40which I know you know about time,
  • 36:42but this is an FGF deficiency
  • 36:45because FGF is a hormone that causes
  • 36:49phosphate to be excreted in the urine.
  • 36:52And if you don't have FGF you you
  • 36:56instead reabsorb the phosphate and you
  • 36:58have a lot of phosphate inside you.
  • 37:00So an FGF deficiency will cause a high
  • 37:04tubular reabsorption of phosphate.
  • 37:05But you see here in the fourth line,
  • 37:07fifth line or something,
  • 37:09it's 96% or so and it it should
  • 37:12be probably less than 80% or so.
  • 37:15So we know that mutations in this
  • 37:18Henacetyl galactosamineal transferase
  • 37:22which puts an anaceto group on to FTF 23,
  • 37:26see here.
  • 37:27These are the anaceto
  • 37:30galactosamineal residues
  • 37:32along with sugars on FTF 23.
  • 37:35These protect FTF 23 from being
  • 37:38broken down and if you don't have
  • 37:40that enzyme to put on then you
  • 37:43don't have the protection and then
  • 37:44the FTF 23 gets broken down and
  • 37:47becomes inactive and essentially
  • 37:49that's this is the mutation just
  • 37:52showing that and showing that there
  • 37:54was a lot of C terminal meaning
  • 37:58broken down FTF 23 that caused this.
  • 38:01So we're able to treat with debulking
  • 38:04and a low phosphate diet etcetera
  • 38:06and also an anti-inflammatory.
  • 38:08So there was treatment associated with this.
  • 38:12A second example of taking a rare disease,
  • 38:15making a diagnosis and being able
  • 38:17to treat is this 14 year old from
  • 38:19Nigeria whom we didn't see because
  • 38:21we couldn't get her over here.
  • 38:22But also we we got her DNA etcetera
  • 38:25and she had a lot of fractures
  • 38:27and rickets and was treated with
  • 38:30surgery and vitamin D here her,
  • 38:33her X-rays and here she is spending
  • 38:37most of her life in casts etcetera.
  • 38:40And so we knew that there was
  • 38:43a differential for the rickets
  • 38:45including vitamin D deficiency,
  • 38:46hypophosphatemia and metabolic acidosis.
  • 38:48We got our labs showed the low phosphorus,
  • 38:52the high up phos, it's a bone,
  • 38:54bone breakdown,
  • 38:55but you also had low serum bicarb
  • 38:58and low serum potassium.
  • 38:59So we got our DNA and we found
  • 39:03the mutation in SLC 4A1 which is
  • 39:08a transporter for chloride and
  • 39:11bicarbonate in the distal renal tubule
  • 39:13and it means that the treatment for
  • 39:16her instead is alkali replacement
  • 39:18and potassium and not more vitamin
  • 39:21D and surgeries all the time.
  • 39:23I think this is the final case.
  • 39:26I'm going to show you a 22 year
  • 39:28old woman with dystonia.
  • 39:30And when she was in grade school,
  • 39:33her teacher, she would grip her hand like,
  • 39:35like a pen,
  • 39:36like like this because she
  • 39:38had dystonia in her fingers.
  • 39:39Teachers, you know, holler at her,
  • 39:41that's not the way to hold a pen, etcetera.
  • 39:42She couldn't help it.
  • 39:44And later she had trouble with her
  • 39:46gait because of dysonia, you know,
  • 39:48muscles clenching like this.
  • 39:49But mainly she had problem with her tongue.
  • 39:51She couldn't eat properly.
  • 39:53She lost weight down to 80 lbs.
  • 39:54She couldn't speak properly, etcetera.
  • 39:57And we found a monolithic mutation in KMT 2B,
  • 40:00which is a histone lysine methyl
  • 40:03transferase and we didn't know
  • 40:05that there was an association with
  • 40:07this disease at the time, but.
  • 40:09Because we were sharing,
  • 40:11we put this on a website that
  • 40:13other people could see.
  • 40:14One of those people was Doctor Manju Korean,
  • 40:18who ran a dystonia clinic in London.
  • 40:20And she called me up one day and said,
  • 40:24you know,
  • 40:25I have 20 patients with KMT 2B mutations,
  • 40:28and five of them we've treated
  • 40:31with deep brain stimulation.
  • 40:33So we work together somewhat.
  • 40:35And then found another patient.
  • 40:37Doctor Soldadas is a neurologist
  • 40:39that saw this 20 year old,
  • 40:41very similar history to the one
  • 40:42that I just showed you.
  • 40:43This 20 year old had clumsiness,
  • 40:45poor Gait, couldn't speak properly
  • 40:47because of dystonia on her tongue.
  • 40:50She couldn't write properly,
  • 40:52treated with Baclofen, etcetera,
  • 40:55etcetera. And here she is. Yes,
  • 41:02the normal cognition, normal adultion,
  • 41:06can't move properly. Lying in bed,
  • 41:09able to signal,
  • 41:13able to learn by signaling,
  • 41:35Doing that with our
  • 41:51I don't know who this Taylor Swift is,
  • 41:53but she apparently likes a song of hers.
  • 41:57In any event, we found that this young
  • 41:59lady also had a de Novo KMT 2B mutation,
  • 42:02therefore recommended treatment
  • 42:04with deep brain stimulator.
  • 42:06And here she is after the
  • 42:10deep brain stimulation.
  • 42:14And I I I guess maybe I don't have
  • 42:16to sort of emphasize how important
  • 42:18small increments and this maybe
  • 42:20not as even a small increment.
  • 42:23But when you have someone who's so
  • 42:25devastated that the activities of
  • 42:26daily living are so difficult for not
  • 42:29only the patient but for the family,
  • 42:31this was transformational for this family.
  • 42:36And why did it occur?
  • 42:38I mean, she can walk steps.
  • 42:43You know, I'm going to go on here.
  • 42:45But it occurred because we shared
  • 42:50something and someone else shared with us.
  • 42:54OK, so a couple other things we do.
  • 42:56We have rounds on Thursday mornings
  • 42:58and that for basically people between
  • 43:01college and medical school or Graduate
  • 43:03School and present cases in person,
  • 43:06journal club and stuff like that.
  • 43:08In 2014, as Yahoo we mentioned,
  • 43:12we expanded to the Undiagnosed
  • 43:14Diseases Network, which is a national
  • 43:18consortium with 7 clinical sites,
  • 43:20a coordinating center, sequencing cores,
  • 43:23a metabolomics core model,
  • 43:26orchism screening center that does largely
  • 43:29Drosophila and Zebrafish and a repository.
  • 43:33I'm Pi of the protocol because
  • 43:35it's the research protocol.
  • 43:36Every patient enrolled as a research patient.
  • 43:39So we do the genetics especially
  • 43:42and expanded to 11 sites,
  • 43:45extramural sites,
  • 43:45the UDP and the interim program
  • 43:48is part of that as well.
  • 43:50And that group saw almost 7000 applications
  • 43:55and almost 2800 evaluated almost 2400
  • 44:00individuals made over 700 diagnosis
  • 44:03etcetera published a lot of papers in 2014.
  • 44:06We also expanded to UDP sites around
  • 44:11the world where the NIHUDP would
  • 44:14served as a model and established the
  • 44:18Undiagnosed Disease Network International,
  • 44:20which has a website,
  • 44:22a charter committees etcetera.
  • 44:24We've had 12 meetings,
  • 44:25Last one was in Tbilisi,
  • 44:27Georgia,
  • 44:28next one is in Seoul,
  • 44:30Korea and have new initiatives
  • 44:34including a diagnostics working
  • 44:36group and a low and middle income
  • 44:38countries working group that has
  • 44:40representatives all around the world.
  • 44:42And that working group is collaborating
  • 44:45with the Wilhelm Foundation.
  • 44:47Wilhelm Foundation is dedicated
  • 44:49to the promotion of undiagnosed
  • 44:54diseases programs throughout the
  • 44:56world because Elaine Cedaroth,
  • 44:58who founded this with her
  • 45:01husband along with the UDP.
  • 45:03In 2014,
  • 45:03she came to my laboratory and wanted
  • 45:06to have this Wilhelm Foundation
  • 45:08founded because she had three children
  • 45:11who all died of an undiagnosed
  • 45:14neurological disease in childhood.
  • 45:17So the Wilhelm Foundation and the UD
  • 45:20and I working groups got together
  • 45:23to establish the Champions program
  • 45:25which I have so far identified
  • 45:28individual physicians in the Congo,
  • 45:32Ghana,
  • 45:32Pakistan and Mali to establish
  • 45:35undiagnosed disease programs there.
  • 45:37And so the UD and I and the Willem
  • 45:40Foundation can provide resources
  • 45:42in terms of collaborations,
  • 45:44access to sequencing, some teaching.
  • 45:47In other words, people coming over to,
  • 45:49for example,
  • 45:50United States and Olaf Beaudemar's lab at
  • 45:54Harvard and some financial support that,
  • 45:57for example,
  • 45:59came to the Wilhelm Foundation from
  • 46:01the Chan Zuckerberg Initiative and
  • 46:03is being funneled them to these
  • 46:05champions in other countries.
  • 46:10Yeah, this describes it.
  • 46:11And this is one of the beautiful young
  • 46:14patients in one of those countries.
  • 46:18So I saw this leave you with the
  • 46:22fact that there are many ways
  • 46:23that we could work together.
  • 46:25And I think you know there are referral
  • 46:28of patients if you're interested,
  • 46:30but you know we do have plenty of patients.
  • 46:33But for example we have 1600 patients
  • 46:36that we've seen and probably about
  • 46:38800 of them have not been solved
  • 46:40and we have genetics on them and
  • 46:43really good phenotyping on them and
  • 46:45we have fiberglass on most of them.
  • 46:47So if you had a favorite gene and maybe
  • 46:50there was a variance in that favorite
  • 46:52gene that was associated with a phenotype,
  • 46:55but it was only one patient and
  • 46:57you didn't know if this variant and
  • 47:00this gene was causal to the disease.
  • 47:03You can tell me what the gene is and
  • 47:04I'll tell you if we have a patient
  • 47:06in our database that has a variance
  • 47:08in that gene and then you can decide
  • 47:09what you want to do with that Also.
  • 47:12I think maybe I've already provided
  • 47:13A protocol and consent and manual
  • 47:15of operations here,
  • 47:16but that's certainly available.
  • 47:18I think our goal and maybe the
  • 47:21goal of all of the physicians is to
  • 47:24lend a helping hand and these are
  • 47:29particularly needy group because
  • 47:33not only isn't there a treatment,
  • 47:34but there isn't a diagnosis and
  • 47:37maybe especially there isn't even
  • 47:39a community for them because they
  • 47:41can't say what they have.
  • 47:43So thank you for your attention.
  • 48:00It's
  • 48:02beautiful talk, beautiful stories.
  • 48:05The story that is the most amazing
  • 48:08is the story of the centre.
  • 48:09In your story I had a question
  • 48:13related to the tubulopathy that
  • 48:17caused the Rick. It's not the Nigerian
  • 48:19one, but the tubular
  • 48:20mutation, and you describe
  • 48:24the Fanconi syndromes.
  • 48:27You couldn't tell whether it was
  • 48:28isolated to phosphorus or other solutes
  • 48:30were part of that phenotype as being.
  • 48:36And I wondered if this might tell
  • 48:40us if that protein has a specific
  • 48:43role in intracellular
  • 48:45trafficking of phosphate transporters
  • 48:47versus other solute transporters.
  • 48:51No, you you, you're you're right.
  • 48:53And I failed to mention that the pancoli
  • 48:56syndrome was, I would say isolated.
  • 48:58In other words, she did not have, you know,
  • 49:01Asturia or small molecular
  • 49:03reporter. Yeah, she said that's why
  • 49:05the hypothesis was that it was really
  • 49:07the SLC or yeah, whatever it was. But I
  • 49:10I think you're you're right that
  • 49:14the microtubules made the important
  • 49:18in other cells of the tubules of the
  • 49:22kidney for transport of transporters,
  • 49:26for movement of transporters to the membrane.
  • 49:28And that has not been investigated in in fact
  • 49:33the scene that I showed you was hypothetical.
  • 49:35So we haven't actually demonstrated that that
  • 49:37transporter didn't get there and that that
  • 49:39was the cause that's this bottom
  • 49:46doctor. Thank you for the
  • 49:48inspirational background.
  • 49:50The question I had was about your
  • 49:52story about phenotype expansion.
  • 49:55And as clinicians and diagnosticians,
  • 50:00we often come across symbol gene
  • 50:03disorder and it is actually able to
  • 50:05talk about phenotype attention whenever
  • 50:08there are any news from stations.
  • 50:10So in this group of patients,
  • 50:13are they two genetic diseases and
  • 50:15some work by Jennifer Posey have
  • 50:18shown that up to 5% may be higher.
  • 50:21Individuals have two diseases coming together
  • 50:25at bending or penotrive.
  • 50:27So my question to you is in the
  • 50:30undiagnosed disease program, are you
  • 50:32recognizing that history? The answer
  • 50:35is yes. We look for it.
  • 50:37I I think that the expansion of
  • 50:39phenotype was a little different
  • 50:40because we could explain
  • 50:42you know the other phenotypes findings,
  • 50:45but we have a number of cases
  • 50:47that we think that there's another
  • 50:49gene involved and it's not just
  • 50:52that it's a modifying gene,
  • 50:54it's another monogenic disease
  • 50:57that we haven't figured out.
  • 50:59But when you have two of them,
  • 51:01it's really and and and
  • 51:02when they're both new,
  • 51:03it's really difficult to distinguish the
  • 51:06which of the phenotypes is associated
  • 51:08with one variant and which might be
  • 51:10associated with another variant.
  • 51:12And I I guess I was talking to
  • 51:13some of the people to hear that
  • 51:17the pursuit of those really difficult
  • 51:20cases takes this much effort and
  • 51:22the pursuit of a new case that
  • 51:25we see takes this much effort to
  • 51:27get solution. Where should we spend our money
  • 51:30and our resources and our time?
  • 51:32So in a way we have to go for those
  • 51:35really unusual cases that do match
  • 51:37it that could be digenic and that
  • 51:43will give us a good reputation and
  • 51:45a big paper and stuff like that.
  • 51:48But in that, in the time that we spend
  • 51:51for that, we could see three new cases and
  • 51:54diagnose two of them or whatever, you know.
  • 51:57So really it's a prioritization issue,
  • 51:59but the answer is yes.
  • 52:01We think that we see number
  • 52:03of diagenic disorders.
  • 52:06I remember when I was working on cystinosis,
  • 52:09we had a young man with cystinosis
  • 52:12and when he ran the first base playing
  • 52:14ball as an adolescent, his fever.
  • 52:18Turns out he also had the braces,
  • 52:20and we actually published that as an example.
  • 52:24But you know,
  • 52:26just because you have water energy
  • 52:28doesn't need not to get it on.
  • 52:50OK, let's just
  • 52:53first she says thank you.
  • 52:58My question is of hundreds
  • 52:59of candidates Snips and then
  • 53:02Glenbar and Polygon,
  • 53:04DAD later than that has been
  • 53:06invariant significance.
  • 53:08How do you think of all
  • 53:09topical pathogenic variants?
  • 53:15Well, you can. You can
  • 53:20see that
  • 53:24one thing is the punitive
  • 53:26inheritance pattern.
  • 53:28So you pretty much can't single
  • 53:32out those paths with the periods.
  • 53:33If you just do a single Excel,
  • 53:35you don't have the first thing.
  • 53:37So if you have the parents,
  • 53:38you can tell if it's inherited and if
  • 53:43the IT segregates with the disease.
  • 53:45So extremely important to have the parents,
  • 53:49the truth, the trios are critical and
  • 53:52then a quartet is helpful as well.
  • 53:55So another sibling that's
  • 53:56either affected or not
  • 53:57affected and all that that's also
  • 53:59beneficial, not as beneficial
  • 54:01as having the parents alone. And then
  • 54:04to have a fifth member of the family
  • 54:06isn't quite so important.
  • 54:08It's the quartet and the trio
  • 54:11says for, But the the point is
  • 54:13that the inheritance pattern
  • 54:15and knowing who is affected by doing
  • 54:18extensive phenotyping will help
  • 54:20you to eliminate a huge number of
  • 54:22the variants that have not
  • 54:25already been eliminated by being
  • 54:27associated with a benign phenotype.
  • 54:31But a lot of times we'll end up
  • 54:34with 510 or 20 variants that are
  • 54:36candidates for causing the disease
  • 54:38and then depending upon how specific
  • 54:41the disease is determines how much we'll
  • 54:44invest in the gene function studies.
  • 54:48You know, because if there's now
  • 54:49specificity in the phenotype,
  • 54:51we're not going to spend
  • 54:52a lot of time looking at
  • 54:54such a very causing dysfunction.
  • 55:03Anything else
  • 55:25and diagnose?
  • 55:29Thanks for popping
  • 55:43up.