"Understanding the Link Between PCOS and OSA" Yvonne Chu (04.07.2021)
April 18, 2021ID6501
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- 01:21about the talk for next week.
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- 01:26conferences and the Speaker
- 01:27will be Jonathan Lipton,
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- 01:31neurology at Boston Children's
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- 01:36cross talk between neuro development
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- 01:44And with that,
- 01:45I'll turn it over to Doctor Hilbert.
- 01:48OK, thank you doctor Tobias.
- 01:49So it is my pleasure to
- 01:52introduce Doctor Yvonne Chu,
- 01:53our speaker for today.
- 01:55Doctor Chu is a postdoctoral fellow
- 01:57in Sleep Medicine here at Yale.
- 01:59She did her undergraduate work
- 02:01at Cornell University and she
- 02:03received her MD degree from U Conn.
- 02:06She completed her internal medicine
- 02:08residency at Boston Medical
- 02:10Center and then she stayed on in
- 02:12Boston for another two years at
- 02:14BOS at Brigham and Women's where
- 02:16she investigated the genetic and
- 02:18molecular aspects of cell migration.
- 02:21She then came back to Connecticut Ann.
- 02:23She wasn't attending hospitalist at Yale.
- 02:25New Haven Hospital for the next few years.
- 02:28We were very fortunate to have her
- 02:30match with us and sleep and not only
- 02:32has she been a superb clinical fellow,
- 02:35she's really contributed to the
- 02:37sleep program and she's been
- 02:38very productive academically.
- 02:39She leads a quality improvement team,
- 02:41really focused on improving the process
- 02:43of care for our pregnant patients,
- 02:45who will refer to us at the
- 02:48sleep center and as part of that,
- 02:50she surveyed Obi-wan practitioners.
- 02:52Throughout the region regarding
- 02:54their screening practices in their
- 02:55knowledge base and that work,
- 02:57she's going to be presenting at the
- 02:59research meeting in April as well
- 03:02as at the sleep Meeting in June.
- 03:04She also authored a manuscript
- 03:05on obstructive sleep apnea and
- 03:07polycystic ovary syndrome.
- 03:08That's been very well received.
- 03:10So today she's going to be
- 03:12discussing understanding the link
- 03:13between obstructive sleep apnea
- 03:15and polycystic ovarian syndrome.
- 03:16So welcome Doctor Chu.
- 03:19Thank you for that introduction.
- 03:21Doctor Helbert welcome and
- 03:22good afternoon everyone.
- 03:23My talk today is on understanding the
- 03:26link between obstructive sleep apnea
- 03:28and polycystic ovarian syndrome.
- 03:30Before we begin,
- 03:31just a couple of housekeeping flies.
- 03:33I have no disclosures to make.
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- 03:39Texas ID number 21618.
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- 03:44in the text chat box.
- 03:46So here are the learning objectives.
- 03:48By the end of this hour,
- 03:50my hope is for the audience to be able
- 03:52to recognize the clinical presentation,
- 03:54diagnosis and complications of PCOS.
- 03:56Describe the prevalence
- 03:57of comorbid OSA and PCOS.
- 03:59Discuss the role of ***
- 04:01hormones in regulating,
- 04:02breathing,
- 04:03and to understand how this regulation
- 04:06of these hormones may play a role in
- 04:09the pathogenesis of OSA and PCOS.
- 04:11To understand how insulin resistance
- 04:13is a shared feature of these two
- 04:16disorders and finally to understand
- 04:18how treatment may modulate
- 04:20the outcomes of OSA in PCOS.
- 04:23So I want us to think back and
- 04:25I'm sure we can all recall a case
- 04:27in which we saw a young woman
- 04:29with PCOS present for evaluation
- 04:31of sleep disordered breathing.
- 04:32I will share with you a case I
- 04:35saw during the first couple of
- 04:37weeks of my fellowship.
- 04:39Let's give our patient the name SK.
- 04:42She's a 38 year old woman who
- 04:45presented with snoring for 20 years and
- 04:48recently worsened after a £15 weight gain.
- 04:50Also with symptoms of gassing awakenings,
- 04:53excessive daytime sleepiness with
- 04:55an effort score of 10 nocturia,
- 04:57and morning headaches.
- 04:58Her past medical history includes
- 05:00class 3 obesity,
- 05:02PCOS that was diagnosed at age 15 and
- 05:05has been untreated as well as depression.
- 05:09Esskay physical exam was notable for an
- 05:11elevated systolic blood pressure 131,
- 05:14elevated BMI of 46.5 and in large
- 05:17neck circumference of 19 1/2 inches
- 05:19as well as amount party of three.
- 05:22The remainder of her exam was unremarkable.
- 05:26Eskape Labs were notable for mild
- 05:30transaminated elevated total cholesterol.
- 05:32Would decrease HDL,
- 05:33increases LDL and increase
- 05:35triglycerides her a one see was also
- 05:38increased in the pre diabetic range.
- 05:40The rest of her labs including
- 05:44her serum bicarbonate were normal.
- 05:47Given the high pretest probability
- 05:48for OSA SK underwent home sleep apnea
- 05:51testing and this is her hypnogram.
- 05:53At the bottom,
- 05:54we can see she slept mostly on
- 05:56her right and left sides.
- 05:58This is consistent with her
- 06:00preference to avoid back sleeping.
- 06:03There were clusters of obstructive
- 06:05apneas in red here.
- 06:06As well as Hypotony is here in pink.
- 06:09On the top we can see associated
- 06:12the saturation.
- 06:13Her respiratory event Index
- 06:15came out to be 66 an hour,
- 06:17which is consistent with severe
- 06:19OSA along with a mean sad of
- 06:2292% and nature of 73%.
- 06:25Here's a closer view in a four
- 06:28minute window we see classic back
- 06:30to back obstructive respiratory
- 06:32events with associated cyclic.
- 06:34See saturation and heart rate variability.
- 06:38There is snoring scene in between
- 06:40the apneas and hypoxemia and during
- 06:42her recovery breath her oxygen
- 06:44saturation largely recovered
- 06:46back up to the mid 90s.
- 06:50Our impression was that SK at 38
- 06:53year old woman has severe OSA as
- 06:55supported by her symptoms of snoring,
- 06:58gasping awakenings,
- 06:59nocturia morning headaches,
- 07:00and excessive daytime sleepiness.
- 07:02Along with comorbid depression,
- 07:04an elevated blood pressure.
- 07:06And supported by her physical exam.
- 07:09Findings of the increased BMI in large
- 07:11neck circumference in a crowded airway.
- 07:14Anne supported by laboratory findings
- 07:16of insulin resistance and metabolic
- 07:17syndrome and then trans ammonite.
- 07:19If that was suggestive of possible
- 07:21non alcoholic fatty liver disease.
- 07:23And finally this is confirmed with the
- 07:26home sleep apnea test with an REI of 66.
- 07:33Now, being a new fellow in training at
- 07:36the time, I didn't think much about the
- 07:39patients PCOS that ending I was working
- 07:41with ask me what role does PCOS play?
- 07:44How does this support the diagnosis
- 07:46of OSA and how do we explain her
- 07:49various metabolic derangements
- 07:50in light of her PCOS an OSA?
- 07:53This led me to consider what is the
- 07:57relationship between OSA and PCOS.
- 08:00We will begin by discussing
- 08:02the clinical presentation,
- 08:03diagnosis and comorbidities of PCOS.
- 08:07PCOS is common with a strong
- 08:10genetic predisposition.
- 08:11It was first described in 1935 by
- 08:13sign in Leventhal as a condition of
- 08:17oligo operation and hyperandrogenism.
- 08:19Most it is the most common endocrinopathy
- 08:23affecting 7 to 13% of women internationally.
- 08:28Twin studies suggest strong familial
- 08:31contribution in PCOS development and this
- 08:33comes from data in over 1300 identical
- 08:35Twins and their Singleton siblings.
- 08:38Essentially,
- 08:38it's one of the identical Twins has
- 08:42PCOS or other twin is about twice
- 08:45as likely to have PCOS compared
- 08:47to their Singleton siblings.
- 08:50I'm going genetic studies are examining
- 08:52the specific genes involved in the
- 08:55biosynthesis and metabolism of androgens,
- 08:57pelicula, Genesis and secretion,
- 08:59and action of insulin.
- 09:02The broader dam criteria is the
- 09:04most inclusive and preferred
- 09:06diagnostic criteria for PCOS.
- 09:08This chart here shows the three most
- 09:11popular criteria used in the diagnosis
- 09:13of PCOS and they're to Rotterdam,
- 09:15NIH and androgen access criteria.
- 09:19The main features of PCOS are outlined here.
- 09:22They are clinical or biochemical
- 09:24evidence of hyperandrogenism,
- 09:26oligo, menorrhea,
- 09:27and polycystic ovaries on ultrasound.
- 09:30I will go through each of these in
- 09:31detail in the subsequent slides here.
- 09:33I just want you to know that you
- 09:35can have a combination of any two
- 09:37of two out of these three features
- 09:39to make the diagnosis of PCOS
- 09:41using the Rotterdam criteria.
- 09:43Now several of my upcoming slides will
- 09:45be referring to recommendations based on
- 09:48international evidence based guidelines
- 09:49for the assessment and management of PCOS.
- 09:52It was published in 1920 eighteen.
- 09:55Among the experts is that on this
- 09:57committee are the American Society
- 09:59for Reproductive Medicine and American
- 10:01Pediatric Society Endocrine Society.
- 10:03Now,
- 10:03here are their standardized goods used
- 10:05to indicate the societies grade for the
- 10:08recommendations here from one to four,
- 10:10with four being a strong recommendation
- 10:13in terms of the quality of evidence we
- 10:15see from 4 to one here with four here
- 10:19up there indicating very confident
- 10:21in the level of of the evidence.
- 10:25The first of the three key features
- 10:28of PCOS hyperandrogenism,
- 10:29which can be determined clinically
- 10:31or biochemically clinically.
- 10:32We can look for hirsutism,
- 10:34acne, male pattern, hair log,
- 10:36and this is the strong recommendation.
- 10:39Biochemically, we can use Calculator,
- 10:41free testosterone or the free androgen index,
- 10:44which is the total testosterone
- 10:45levels divided by this,
- 10:47the *** hormone binding globulin,
- 10:49and this also has a strong recommendation,
- 10:52but limited competence is level of evidence.
- 10:55Standardized visual scales are
- 10:57preferred when assessing hirsutism,
- 10:58and this is what a strong
- 11:00recommendation here is.
- 11:01The Fehrman Galway score,
- 11:03which was first introduced in 1961.
- 11:05Each of the nine body areas
- 11:07is most sensitive to androgen,
- 11:09is assigned a score from 0 being know
- 11:12her to floor, being lost, a pair,
- 11:14a score of 1 to 7 indicates focal
- 11:17hirsutism and is considered normal.
- 11:19Ace score of eight or more is
- 11:22considered generalized hirsutism.
- 11:23Ann is considered abnormal.
- 11:24It is important to note there are racial
- 11:28considerations when using this score.
- 11:30East Asian women have lower her citizen
- 11:32score cutoff whereas Middle Eastern,
- 11:34Hispanic and Mediterranean women have
- 11:36slightly higher hirsutism score cutoff.
- 11:39The next key feature is a
- 11:41legal menorrhea or amenorrhea.
- 11:43All common area is irregular
- 11:45menstrual cycle and an International
- 11:47Society most strongly recommends
- 11:48the use of this following criteria.
- 11:51A regular menstrual cycles are
- 11:52considered normal in the first
- 11:54year post monarchy as part of the
- 11:56pooper role transition between
- 11:57one to three years post monarchy.
- 11:59Less than 21 days or greater than
- 12:0145 days is consider a regular
- 12:03beyond three years post menarche
- 12:05all the way up to Perry Menopause.
- 12:08Less than 21 days or prison 35 days
- 12:10or less than eight cycles per year
- 12:12is considered a regular and then
- 12:14beyond the first year post meta arkie
- 12:17greater than 90 days for anyone
- 12:19cycle considering regular and then.
- 12:21Primary amenorrhea by age 15 or no
- 12:24menses by beyond three years post the Larkey,
- 12:27is considered amenorrhea.
- 12:29And when menstrual cycles are irregular,
- 12:32a diagnosis of PCOS should be considered,
- 12:35and this is what is strong recommendation.
- 12:39The last core feature here
- 12:41is polycystic ovaries.
- 12:42Which on ultrasound can support
- 12:46diagnosis of PCOS.
- 12:48In patients already with a legal
- 12:50memory and hyperandrogenism,
- 12:51an ovarian ultrasound is not necessary.
- 12:54Ultrasound should not be used
- 12:56for PCOS diagnosis.
- 12:58If lesson 8 years have
- 13:00elapsed after men are key.
- 13:02When typically the ovaries can
- 13:05demonstrate multi Poly tools and
- 13:07that that's common and normal.
- 13:10To make the diagnosis of polycystic ovaries,
- 13:12ultrasound will show bears and 20
- 13:15follicles or an ovarian volume gear
- 13:17is greater than or equal to 10 Mills.
- 13:20Here are pictures of what Paula cystic
- 13:22ovaries may look like on ultrasound.
- 13:24Some of us may remember from medical
- 13:26school that is sometimes referred to
- 13:28as a string of pearls appearance.
- 13:30And for comparison,
- 13:31we have here a cystic ovary and
- 13:33normal ovary with two antral
- 13:35follicles and one dominant follicle.
- 13:39Now, numerous comorbidities
- 13:40have been identified and PCOS,
- 13:42but the following ones recognized
- 13:45by the International Society.
- 13:46They include type 2 diabetes,
- 13:48gestational diabetes,
- 13:49and impaired fasting glucose
- 13:51will be city depression,
- 13:53anxiety, body image distress,
- 13:54a question of cardiovascular disease,
- 13:57as this is supported by limited data.
- 14:00OSA an enemy treil cancer.
- 14:02As you can see, some of these
- 14:05disorders are considered comorbidities.
- 14:07As with OSA as well.
- 14:10We now move on to discuss the
- 14:13prevalence of comorbid OSA in PCOS.
- 14:16Just to remind everyone,
- 14:17the prevalence of OSA increases
- 14:19as women get older and heavier,
- 14:22and this is supported by data from the
- 14:25famous Wisconsin Sleep Cohort from
- 14:27between the years of 1988 and 2011.
- 14:30This is the logic tunele study of over
- 14:341500 participants between the ages of
- 14:3630 to 60s selected from a Mail in survey.
- 14:3945% of the participants were females.
- 14:41The table here shows modeling data on
- 14:44aging and weight increase overtime.
- 14:46OSA is defined by an hi greater
- 14:49than equal to 5.
- 14:52In the 30 to 49 age group,
- 14:55estimated prevalence of OSA is
- 14:571.4% in women with normal BMI and
- 15:00we see this estimated prevalence
- 15:01increase all the way up to 43%.
- 15:04In those who have class 3 obesity,
- 15:07and among the 50 to 70 age group,
- 15:10estimated prevalence range from
- 15:129% in those are normal BMI all
- 15:14the way up to 68% in those women
- 15:17with the Class 3 obesity.
- 15:22Now we look at women with PCOS
- 15:24in a meta analysis of 17 studies
- 15:28with over 600 participants.
- 15:30The prevalence bull essay in PCOS is 35%
- 15:33with a confidence interval of 22 to 49%.
- 15:37Now it's important to remember that these
- 15:40studies typically included teenagers
- 15:42and excluded post menopausal women.
- 15:44Therefore the prevalence may seem lower
- 15:46compared to Wisconsin cohort data,
- 15:48which represents women across
- 15:50the entire lifespan.
- 15:52Problem OSA is higher in obese
- 15:55women compared to lean women with
- 15:58PCOS and the odds ratio is 3.8.
- 16:01Now what is very important to know
- 16:03is that after controlling for BMI.
- 16:06The risk for OSA is 5 to 10
- 16:09times higher in adults with PCOS
- 16:12compared to those without PCOS.
- 16:16Again, I cannot emphasize enough that
- 16:19obesity is not the sole driver in the
- 16:23pathophysiology of OSA and PCOS population.
- 16:25Now, this study here actually found
- 16:28that HIV is higher in PCOS after
- 16:31controlling for age and obesity.
- 16:34It's a case control study and there were 36
- 16:37participants have had PCOS and half do not.
- 16:39Table one shows that they were
- 16:41of similar age in the early 30s.
- 16:44And have exact same mean BMI of 36.9.
- 16:49Now obviously the waist to hip
- 16:51ratio and testosterone levels are
- 16:53significantly higher in the PCOS Group,
- 16:55as we would expect.
- 17:00Table 2 here summarizes
- 17:01sleepiness and PSG data.
- 17:03It shows that the PCOS PCOS group
- 17:07has significantly higher mean
- 17:09upward score of 9.5 would arrange
- 17:11between 4 to 18 compared to an
- 17:14average of 5.8 in the control group.
- 17:17The overall HI is significantly
- 17:20high under PCOS Group.
- 17:22With the average age of 22 range of 1
- 17:26to 102 compared to an average of 6.7.
- 17:30In the control group,
- 17:31this is a remarkable finding,
- 17:33considering that none of these women had
- 17:35been diagnosis OSA prior to the study.
- 17:40These next two slides,
- 17:41or these next two studies here,
- 17:43are highlighted to show that common sleep
- 17:46complaints in PCOS include insomnia
- 17:48and excessive daytime sleepiness.
- 17:50Both are community based studies comparing
- 17:53women with PCOS and women without PCOS.
- 17:56Women with PCOS had increased difficulty
- 17:59falling asleep with an odds ratio close
- 18:01to two increase awakening without causing
- 18:04an inability to resume sleep for greater
- 18:06than 15 minutes within office ratio.
- 18:09Also close to two.
- 18:11Increased severe tiredness with their
- 18:13relative risk ratio 11.5 and increases
- 18:16sleep difficulties within the last 12
- 18:18months when an author show close to 1.3.
- 18:21The authors concluded that targeted
- 18:24screening and management of sleep
- 18:26disturbances is warranted in PCOS.
- 18:29Now, according to the
- 18:30International Committee on PCOS,
- 18:32creating for OSA in PCOS is recommended.
- 18:36Their statements are US outlined here.
- 18:38Screening should only be
- 18:39considered for all I stay in PCOS.
- 18:42Identify and alleviate related
- 18:43symptoms such as snoring,
- 18:45waking,
- 18:45unrefreshing sleep,
- 18:46daytime sleepiness and the potential for
- 18:48fatigue to contribute to mood disorders.
- 18:51And this is with a strong recommendation.
- 18:53Screening should not be considered with
- 18:55the intention of improving cardiometabolic
- 18:57risk with the with inadequate evidence
- 19:00for metabolic benefits of OSA.
- 19:01Treatment in PCOS.
- 19:02Also, with a strong recommendation.
- 19:04Lastly, a simple screening questionnaire.
- 19:06Preferably, the Berlin tool,
- 19:08could be applied.
- 19:09It is positive referral to
- 19:11a specialist considered,
- 19:12and that's with a conditional recommendation,
- 19:14as currently there is not yet a
- 19:17screening tool validated in young
- 19:19women with and without PCOS.
- 19:21Disappointingly, in practice,
- 19:23screening rate is low.
- 19:25Perhaps this is due to the fact
- 19:27that there is little or no research
- 19:29on specific screening tools in
- 19:30the PCOS population.
- 19:31And this is the only study I found
- 19:34in regards to screening in the
- 19:36study of 50OBGYN and 29 endocrine
- 19:39practitioners caring for PCOS patients.
- 19:4237% reported that most of their
- 19:44patients had that Class 3 obesity.
- 19:4686% felt that their patients Nordin
- 19:49frequently and 92% refers less than
- 19:5125% of their patients for sleep study,
- 19:54and so to summarize and minority
- 19:57applied practitioners who treat
- 19:58PCOS are referring a minority of
- 20:01their patients for sleep evaluation.
- 20:03Despite the high prevalence of
- 20:04OSA in patients with PCOS,
- 20:06the lack of awareness of the
- 20:08link between PCOS and OSA may.
- 20:10It may also be a potential reason
- 20:12for the low rates of referral.
- 20:17We now move on to the key theories
- 20:19on the pathogenesis of OSA and PCOS.
- 20:22The purpose of this slide is to show what
- 20:25is known about the pathogenesis of PCOS.
- 20:28The main theory is that there is a
- 20:31disruption in GNRH release from the
- 20:33hypothalamus which leads to hyper secretion
- 20:36of LH from the pituitary gland resulting
- 20:39in an increase in the LH FSH ratio.
- 20:42This induces abula Tori dysfunction.
- 20:44Repeat a follicular arrested.
- 20:46What results in the polycystic ovary
- 20:49morphology we see on ultrasound?
- 20:51The increase in LH to FSH also promotes the
- 20:55hypersecretion of androgens and theca cells,
- 20:58which in turn reduces the inhibition
- 21:01of normal GNRH pulse frequency by
- 21:04progesterone and further promoting
- 21:06this development of PCOS.
- 21:08What is not shown here is that there's
- 21:11also an increased level of anti malarian
- 21:13hormone released in the follicles of PCOS,
- 21:16and that leads to reduce FSH
- 21:18sensitivity and blocks the conversion
- 21:20of androgens to estrogens,
- 21:22resulting in reduced overall estrogen levels.
- 21:26It will resistance arising from separate
- 21:28pathways that we will discuss later on.
- 21:31Also contribute to Abula Tori dysfunction.
- 21:36We will now segue into discussing
- 21:39the role of *** hormones in
- 21:41controlling breathing in normal women.
- 21:42Without PCOS, there's a balance
- 21:44between female hormones and male
- 21:46hormones on the one side we are.
- 21:48We have the female hormones
- 21:50estrogen and progesterone,
- 21:51which are protective in
- 21:52the development of OSA.
- 21:53On the other side are male
- 21:56hormones or androgens,
- 21:57among which include testosterone,
- 21:58which may promote the development of OSA.
- 22:01In PCOS we have a deficiency of
- 22:03female hormones and an excess of
- 22:06male hormones causing an imbalance.
- 22:07We no longer have the protective
- 22:09effects of female hormones and at
- 22:12the same time there is an excess
- 22:13of androgens when they which may
- 22:15promote development of OFA in the next
- 22:18several slides we will dive into the
- 22:21implications of this hormonal imbalance.
- 22:24We will start by talking about progesterone.
- 22:27Much of the research comes from
- 22:29studying the normal luteal phase in
- 22:31women where there is a surge and peak
- 22:33of progesterone activity which is
- 22:36associated with increased upper airway.
- 22:38Dilatory muscle activity reduce
- 22:40upper airway resistance and
- 22:42improved nocturnal ventilation.
- 22:43And just as a reminder,
- 22:45as you see here in the diagram,
- 22:48the normal,
- 22:48normal luteal phase occurs after ovulation,
- 22:51or the rupture of the follicules.
- 22:53What's left behind at the follicules
- 22:55becomes the corpus luteum.
- 22:56The corpus luteum is responsible
- 22:58for the release of progesterone,
- 23:00which will then stick in the lining
- 23:02of endometrium preparing for the
- 23:04implantation of the fertilized egg.
- 23:06Because operation is impaired in PCOS,
- 23:09the surge of progesterone does
- 23:11not occur and overall levels of
- 23:14progesterone remain low in PCOS.
- 23:17Four decades ago,
- 23:18this study came out in Java.
- 23:21Exogenous progesterone led to
- 23:23reduce obstructive apneas and
- 23:25improve daytime sleepiness in OSA.
- 23:27It was a small study with nine
- 23:30subjects with only one woman,
- 23:32an 8 of the subjects had obesity.
- 23:35Their average age is between 4070.
- 23:38The intervention was medroxyprogesterone,
- 23:4160 to 120 milligrams given
- 23:44daily in divided doses.
- 23:46The results here showed that
- 23:47there were four responders for
- 23:49represented by these building circles.
- 23:51Among the responders was the
- 23:53single woman enrolled in the study.
- 23:56Now the responder shows
- 23:57significant reduction.
- 23:58Hi,
- 23:58as well as improvement in daytime sleepiness,
- 24:01but that isn't shown here.
- 24:03The improvement in hi a curd
- 24:06during the intervention where they
- 24:08received madocks is progesterone.
- 24:10This is comparative before they
- 24:13receive this medication and compared
- 24:15to after they stopped the medication.
- 24:18Interesting Lee of note.
- 24:20The responders at baseline were also
- 24:23more hypoxemic on their wakeful ABG.
- 24:25The difference in PA.
- 24:27CO2 was, however,
- 24:28NASA tips to assist the Statistique
- 24:31Lee significant.
- 24:32The authors also noted that both
- 24:34responders and non responders showed
- 24:36improvements in their CO2 and O2
- 24:38levels during mid Roxy progesterone therapy.
- 24:40This speaks to the theory that
- 24:43progesterone may improve ventilation.
- 24:46We talked about normal menstrual
- 24:48cycle now will touch touch on
- 24:50pregnancy and pregnancy.
- 24:52Progesterone positively correlated
- 24:53suggest stational age negatively
- 24:55correlated with maternal weight and
- 24:58when adjusted for gestational age,
- 24:59maternal weight bearing,
- 25:01professional level is significantly
- 25:04lower in women
- 25:06with OSA. In menopause,
- 25:07there's a lot of progesterone and estrogen,
- 25:10and we all know that the prevalence
- 25:12of OSA increases post menopause.
- 25:14This is, however, impacted by other
- 25:16factors such as age and obesity.
- 25:19And to perhaps illustrate
- 25:20this point in one study,
- 25:23the administration of Luke Bronan healthy
- 25:25non obese young women to induce medical
- 25:28menopause did not result in sleep,
- 25:31fragmentation or clinically
- 25:33significant sleep disorder breathing.
- 25:35When we apply when we know
- 25:37about normal luteal phase.
- 25:39Pregnancy and menopause.
- 25:40The PCOS. We know that there are
- 25:43reduced levels of progesterone,
- 25:44estrogen, and PCOS.
- 25:46Therefore, this may predispose women to
- 25:48have increased upper airway collapsibility
- 25:51an reduce ventilla Tori drive and
- 25:54therefore increase the risk for OSA.
- 25:56We will now discuss and region.
- 25:59Androgen access is linked to central
- 26:01adiposity or Apple shaped body type.
- 26:03We see here.
- 26:05Studies have shown that 50 to 60%
- 26:08of women with PCOS have a nap.
- 26:10Dot abdominal distribution of
- 26:12body fat or central obesity.
- 26:14Regardless of their BMI.
- 26:17Central adiposity contributes to the
- 26:18pathogenesis and severity of OSA.
- 26:20Here, in this perspective study,
- 26:22looking at 36 women recruited
- 26:24from the sleep setting,
- 26:25the baseline age was 50s.
- 26:27BMI is in the low 30s.
- 26:29In the mean age I was 15.
- 26:32What was measured was the percentage
- 26:34of fat and lean body mass in different
- 26:37regions of the body using dexa.
- 26:40What was found was that Android or
- 26:43central distribution of fat was the
- 26:45best univariate predictor of hi in
- 26:48women with an R square value of 26%.
- 26:51These images here were taken from the
- 26:53publication to demonstrate what was
- 26:55considered Android versus gynoid fat.
- 27:00Furthermore, androgens,
- 27:01androgens and waist to hip ratio positively
- 27:04correlate with hi women with PCOS.
- 27:06This data is from this same
- 27:08case control study I referenced
- 27:10earlier in the presentation.
- 27:12Here we're looking at the 18 women
- 27:15with PCOS and not their control.
- 27:18The first figure shows a correlation
- 27:21between waist to hip ratio on
- 27:24the X axis and hi in the Y axis.
- 27:26We see a positive correlation
- 27:29within R = 0.51.
- 27:31The second figure shows a
- 27:33positive correlation between
- 27:34serum total cholesterol serum,
- 27:35total testosterone,
- 27:36an AHI with a positive correlation,
- 27:39R = 0.52. Again,
- 27:40these graphs only show women with PCOS.
- 27:43For those of you wondering,
- 27:45what about the control group?
- 27:47In this study,
- 27:48the women without PCOS but but control for
- 27:52age and BMI well in the control group.
- 27:55Hi was positively correlated
- 27:56with waist to hip ratio as well,
- 27:59and the R value was 0.5.
- 28:03Which arguably is a stronger correlation,
- 28:05and we see in the PCOS group.
- 28:07However,
- 28:08there was no significant correlation
- 28:10between serum testosterone
- 28:11and hi in the control group.
- 28:13This suggests that there are other
- 28:16factors contributing to central
- 28:17obesity besides androgen levels alone,
- 28:19and one of these factors is
- 28:21thought to be insulin resistance
- 28:24and elevated serum glucose levels.
- 28:26And that is segue into the next
- 28:29section on metabolic syndrome
- 28:30and insulin resistance in women
- 28:32with PCOS and OSA.
- 28:34Here's a visual to remind us
- 28:37what metabolic syndrome is.
- 28:38It consists of high triglycerides,
- 28:41low HDL, visceral obesity,
- 28:43insulin resistance and hypertension.
- 28:46When it was both PCOS and OSA have worse
- 28:50metabolic profile than women with only PCOS.
- 28:53In an observation ULL study
- 28:55of 28 Teen Agers with PCOS.
- 28:58Those with OSA had increased
- 29:00metabolic syndrome,
- 29:01increase insulin resistance,
- 29:02reduce HDL in increase in triglycerides.
- 29:05In another observation,
- 29:06ULL study of 103 teenagers with PCOS.
- 29:09Those with OSA hat increase
- 29:11homeostatic model assessment,
- 29:12which is essentially a method used
- 29:15to quantify insulin resistance as
- 29:17well as increase metabolic syndrome.
- 29:19Now,
- 29:19both of these studies did
- 29:22control her BMI an age.
- 29:27Insulin resistance is a key
- 29:29feature in both PCOS and OSA.
- 29:31In this diagram,
- 29:32we're looking at the pathogenesis
- 29:34from OSA to insulin resistance.
- 29:36In Type 2 diabetes,
- 29:37the two key elements of OSA are
- 29:39intermittent hypoxia and sleep fragmentation,
- 29:42and they have been linked to an
- 29:45increase in inflammatory aside,
- 29:46a time oxidative stress and the
- 29:49activation of sympathetic nervous system,
- 29:51and that all in turn leads to
- 29:53reduce insulin sensitivity at
- 29:55the target tissues as well as.
- 29:57Pancreatic beta cell dysfunction in
- 29:59the adipose tissue we see increased
- 30:02by policies increase inflammation,
- 30:04reduce insulin sensitivity.
- 30:05In the liver we see increased
- 30:08glucose production.
- 30:09The phenotype of non alcoholic fatty
- 30:12liver disease as well as increased
- 30:14inflammation in the muscles that
- 30:17decreases in efficiency of glucose
- 30:19uptake and then in the pancreas
- 30:21we see increased beta cells.
- 30:23Def Simple operation reduces one content
- 30:25reduce glucose induced insulin secretion.
- 30:28All of this results in insulin resistance,
- 30:31glucose intolerance and can potentially
- 30:33progressed to type 2 diabetes.
- 30:37Now I move the OSA figure aside
- 30:40and make room for the PCOS figure.
- 30:43We talked about earlier.
- 30:45We can see how untreated OSA
- 30:47may potentially feed into this
- 30:49insulin resistance pathway here
- 30:51that can further perpetuate
- 30:53abula Tori dysfunction in PCOS.
- 30:59All right, moving on,
- 31:00we're going to next talk about the
- 31:03treatment outcomes of OSA and PCOS.
- 31:06First, we're going to talk about this study
- 31:09that tries to answer the question what
- 31:11are the short term impacts of metformin
- 31:14on the metabolic and sleep parameters?
- 31:17This study included 90 adolescent
- 31:19females between the ages of 12 to 18,
- 31:22randomized into three groups.
- 31:23Control, untreated PCOS and
- 31:25PCOS plus metformin.
- 31:26The treatment was metformin 850
- 31:28milligrams twice daily for three months.
- 31:31Table one here shows the baseline
- 31:33characteristics of the three groups.
- 31:35The mean age is similar or about
- 31:3916 across the board.
- 31:41The mean BMI was normal at 21 in the
- 31:44control group and this is significantly
- 31:47different from the two PCOS group
- 31:49with the mean BMI of about 35.
- 31:52Here in here the BMI was not significantly
- 31:56different between the two PC LF groups.
- 31:58Now the fasting blood Glucose Tahoma
- 32:00index again that's the measurement
- 32:02of insulin resistance and hirsutism
- 32:04scores were all higher in two PCOS
- 32:06group compared to the control.
- 32:08But they were not significantly
- 32:10different between the two PCOS groups.
- 32:13Sleep disturbance Scale is a scale
- 32:15validated in adolescence and children,
- 32:17and it consists of 26 items
- 32:19with a score greater than 52,
- 32:21considered positive for sleep disorders,
- 32:23the mean score was 48 in the control group.
- 32:27Alright here and there were 75 in
- 32:30untreated PCOS soup and 78 in the PCOS.
- 32:32Plus plus metformin group again.
- 32:34No significant difference between
- 32:36the two PCOS groups and both of
- 32:39these groups have pathologic scores.
- 32:41And Lastly,
- 32:42the mean upwards of eight in
- 32:44the control group and very high,
- 32:46about 16 in each of the two PCOS group.
- 32:49Again,
- 32:50no difference between the two PCOS group.
- 32:54The results of metformin therapy
- 32:56were quite remarkable.
- 32:57Here we see in Table 2 the mean
- 33:00BMI in the PCOS plus metformin
- 33:03group decrease in 34 to 26.
- 33:07After just three months of metformin,
- 33:09mean body weight was 75 kilograms
- 33:12pretreatment and is now 57 kilograms,
- 33:15which is about £40 or 24% weight reduction.
- 33:19And for comparison,
- 33:20the untreated PCOS went up slightly from
- 33:2435 to 36 in their BMI and the control
- 33:29group BMI basically stayed normal.
- 33:32The fasting and postprandial glucose,
- 33:33as well as the home and index all
- 33:36decreased in the PCOS plus metformin group.
- 33:39Which was significantly different
- 33:40compared to the untreated PCOS group.
- 33:43Hirsutism score.
- 33:43Also decreasing the PCOS plasma
- 33:45form a group and download chart.
- 33:47All these fees here indicates significant
- 33:50difference compared to untreated group,
- 33:51whereas at baseline prior to
- 33:53treatment there was no difference
- 33:55between these two groups.
- 33:59Here in table three we see there is a
- 34:02significant decrease in Epworth score in
- 34:04the PCOS plus Metformin Group from 16 prior
- 34:07to treatment to all the way down to 12.
- 34:10The Edwards is now significantly different
- 34:13compared to the untreated group.
- 34:15The sleep disturbance core also decrease,
- 34:17but it does remain pathologic at above 52.
- 34:21So, to summarize,
- 34:23metformin therapy in PCOS reduces BMI,
- 34:27insulin resistance, hirsutism,
- 34:28and the Epworth score.
- 34:33In the prior study,
- 34:34we saw a weight reduction of 24%
- 34:37in the metformin treatment arm,
- 34:38which is a massive change.
- 34:40What we know is that a weight reduction
- 34:43of only 5 to 10% have beneficial
- 34:46results in both OSA and PCOS.
- 34:48We lost as a primary treatment
- 34:50in both of these conditions.
- 34:52In the general population and average
- 34:54weight loss of 10% of body weight can
- 34:57result in a modest reduction in Hi Ann
- 35:00and overall improvement in OSA severity.
- 35:03And PCOS a weight reduction of
- 35:055% can restore regular menstrual
- 35:08cycles and improve fertility.
- 35:10Other benefits of weight loss include
- 35:12decreased adipose and androgen levels,
- 35:15as well as an improvement
- 35:18in insulin resistance.
- 35:20Now let's review the current
- 35:22weight reduction recommendation.
- 35:23The American Thoracic Fest societies
- 35:26clinical practice guidelines recommend a
- 35:28comprehensive weight loss program for OSA.
- 35:31In all comers with OSA with a
- 35:34BMI greater than or equal to 25,
- 35:37a comprehensive lifestyle intervention
- 35:39program that includes a weight,
- 35:41reduced calorie diet,
- 35:42increase physical activity,
- 35:43and behavioral counseling
- 35:45is strongly recommended.
- 35:46And those of OSA,
- 35:48would it be in my greater than or
- 35:50equal to 27 but with no improvement?
- 35:53After a comprehensive weight
- 35:55loss program and antiobesity
- 35:56pharmacotherapy is recommended with
- 35:58the conditional recommendation.
- 35:59Those with OSA in a BMI greater than
- 36:02or equal to 35 but no improvement after
- 36:06comprehensive weight loss program.
- 36:08Referral for bariatric surgery
- 36:11evaluation is recommended conditionally.
- 36:13The international evidence based
- 36:15guidelines also recommend a comprehensive
- 36:17weight loss program for PCOS.
- 36:19Here third, two statements,
- 36:21healthy lifestyle behaviors
- 36:23encompassing healthy eating and
- 36:25regular physical activity should be
- 36:27recommended in those with PCOS to
- 36:29achieve an or maintain healthy weight
- 36:31and to optimize hormonal outcomes.
- 36:33General Health and quality of
- 36:35life across the life course with
- 36:38a strong recommendation.
- 36:39Lifestyle intervention,
- 36:40preferably including diet,
- 36:42exercise and behavioral strategies
- 36:44should be recommended in those
- 36:46with PCOS and excess weight
- 36:48for reductions in weight,
- 36:50central obesity and insulin resistance,
- 36:52and this has limited confidence
- 36:54in the level of evidence.
- 36:59They don't effective CPAP in
- 37:01PCOS are extremely limited.
- 37:03This is one of the only studies to date.
- 37:06It addresses the question what
- 37:08are the cardiometabolic effects of
- 37:11short term C pap therapy in PCOS?
- 37:13Here the intervention is
- 37:158 weeks of CPAP therapy.
- 37:17The measures include metabolic, hormonal,
- 37:19and cardiovascular assessments at
- 37:21baseline and after eight weeks of therapy.
- 37:24The subjects are 56 young women,
- 37:26young obese women with PCOS recruited
- 37:29from a University endocrine clinic.
- 37:31They were excluded if there was
- 37:33presence of diabetes, hypertension,
- 37:35or significant cardiovascular disease,
- 37:37and they must have been off any *** steroids,
- 37:41anti androgens or insulin lowering
- 37:43medications for eight weeks
- 37:45prior to the intervention.
- 37:4726 of them met,
- 37:48including criteria which
- 37:50includes a diagnosis of OSA.
- 37:517 dropped out among the 19 who
- 37:54completed this study study.
- 37:55Only nine were Papa here and.
- 38:00When we look at just those who
- 38:02were Papa here and graph A here
- 38:04shows a fitted regression values of
- 38:06the change in insulin sensitivity
- 38:08after CPAP as a function of BMI.
- 38:10There's a function that CPAP use.
- 38:13The dark line here represents a line of
- 38:16fit and the dotted lines represent the
- 38:1995th percentile constant confidence bands.
- 38:21Improvement in insulin sensitivity
- 38:23after C pap is greatest among
- 38:26women with lower BMI assist here.
- 38:28Anne was greater with more hours
- 38:30of CPAP used as we see here.
- 38:33Graph B shows modeling of change
- 38:35in insulin sensitivity expected
- 38:36after four hours,
- 38:376 hours and 8 hours of sleep apneas per
- 38:40night in an overly weight patient here
- 38:43with a BMI of 28 and an obese patient here.
- 38:46Would it be in my 35 predicted
- 38:48improvement in insulin sensitivity after
- 38:50treatment of OSA is more pronounced
- 38:52with longer hours of C pap used in
- 38:55a dose dependent manner and is of
- 38:57lesser magnitude in patients with higher BMI.
- 38:59Again,
- 39:00this is all modeling data here on the bottom.
- 39:05Another significant finding in
- 39:06this study was that short term pap
- 39:09therapy reduce norepinephrine levels.
- 39:11Here we see norepinephrine levels
- 39:13on the Y axis and the 24 hour day
- 39:16on the X axis potted along this
- 39:18continuum is the mean levels of
- 39:21norepinephrine before an after eight
- 39:23weeks to see pap therapy.
- 39:25The Gray bars indicate meals and the
- 39:28black bar here indicates that I'm in bed.
- 39:31See PAP treatment resulted
- 39:33in a 25% reduction.
- 39:34In the mean 24 hour plasma
- 39:37norepinephrine levels,
- 39:38it's interesting to note that affects
- 39:41extended beyond hours of CPAP use.
- 39:45I will mention that the authors
- 39:46did also look at cortisol,
- 39:48epinephrine, an left in levels,
- 39:50but there was no significant
- 39:52changes detected in those levels.
- 39:56Here the authors show the reduction in
- 39:58sympathetic activity after CPAP use.
- 40:00Segments of ECG recordings at these
- 40:03four time points, dinner, bedtime,
- 40:05breakfast and lunch or uses markers
- 40:07of cardiac autonomic function
- 40:09before and after C PAP treatment.
- 40:11The authors used spectral analysis
- 40:13of heart rate variability to
- 40:15measure autonomic activity.
- 40:17Here, the high frequency HF means
- 40:19normalized high frequency band is
- 40:21essentially a surrogate for vagal
- 40:23activity or parasympathetic activity.
- 40:25Bagel activity appears increased faster.
- 40:27The past few years, as you see here,
- 40:30the LM is normalized low frequency band,
- 40:33which is essentially a marker
- 40:34for sympathetic activity,
- 40:36and you see that decrease after CPAP use.
- 40:40The last chart here the L F2 HF ratios
- 40:44essentially index of cardio symptom.
- 40:46They go activity and that is
- 40:50also reduced after CPAP use.
- 40:53So again,
- 40:54the pickle method this year is
- 40:56that pap therapy seems to reduce
- 40:59sympathetic activity.
- 41:03And this is the last study
- 41:04I will highlight because it
- 41:06addresses an interesting question.
- 41:07CLOSE PCOS treatment prevent OSA.
- 41:11In a longitudinal study with peer
- 41:13she data at baseline and at three
- 41:16years follow up in 15 adolescent
- 41:18females with PCOS treated for
- 41:21hyperandrogenism and insulin resistance.
- 41:23We see here that.
- 41:27At baseline or their, their weight
- 41:29has not changed after three years.
- 41:32With treatment plan,
- 41:33it stayed around 32 for BMI and just
- 41:37just to kind of review that the
- 41:40treatment looking farther into this
- 41:43study was actually not standardized.
- 41:46It included either a comprehensive
- 41:48lifestyle intervention that only about
- 41:5150% of the participants took part in
- 41:53an in a combination of medications.
- 41:57So I follow up three of the girls
- 41:59were not on any medications.
- 42:01Two were taking Ocps,
- 42:03eight were taking an anti androgen drug
- 42:05called Diane 35 and one was taking OCP.
- 42:08Plus metformin was taking Diane
- 42:0935 plus performance.
- 42:10So as you can tell there was a
- 42:12lot of variability into treatment.
- 42:18So you know I, I just want to
- 42:20point out here that the weight
- 42:22and BMI were maintained after all,
- 42:24as opposed to increase after three years.
- 42:26And this was attributed to having
- 42:29some form of treatment for PCOS.
- 42:31And we don't see a in a significant
- 42:34difference here in the markers of glucose
- 42:37fasting glucose or insulin resistance,
- 42:39but that's perhaps this is the fact that very
- 42:43few of these teenagers were on metformin.
- 42:46And then we do see a significant
- 42:48reduction in free androgen index,
- 42:50and that's likely because many of them
- 42:53were on an anti androgen medication.
- 42:57With treatment Ann the Adolescents
- 43:00with PCOS had no changes in their AHI,
- 43:03which was normal and less than one per hour.
- 43:08At three years follow up as you see here,
- 43:10along with the other sleep parameters.
- 43:13I bring up this study because it
- 43:15suggests that early treatment of PCOS,
- 43:18particularly treatment that achieves
- 43:19weight maintenance and a slight
- 43:21reduction in free androgen index,
- 43:23may potentially prevent or at
- 43:25least delay the development of OSA
- 43:28in an otherwise high risk group.
- 43:31Now, of course,
- 43:32this study has its weaknesses.
- 43:33It was a small study.
- 43:35The subjects were still quite
- 43:37young that follow up.
- 43:38There was no standardized
- 43:39treatment as I mentioned,
- 43:41and no comparative data on adolescents.
- 43:43Untreated PCOS.
- 43:46So finally back to our
- 43:48case for our patient SK.
- 43:50The 38 year old patient with PCOS and OSA.
- 43:53Our recommendations for her which are in
- 43:55this shape app with close monitoring.
- 43:58Aim for five to 10% weight
- 44:00reduction with referrals.
- 44:01Weight management clinic.
- 44:03We encourage the patient to re
- 44:05establish care for PCOS and discuss
- 44:07referral between an endocrinologist or
- 44:09a reproductive specialist and decided
- 44:12on reproductive specialist because
- 44:13of her preference achieve fertility.
- 44:16We also discussed potentially restarting
- 44:18metformin to assist with weight reduction,
- 44:20improve sense insulin sensitivity,
- 44:22and potentially restore her menstrual cycles.
- 44:27So in summary,
- 44:28here are the take home bullet points.
- 44:30OSA has a high prevalence of
- 44:3235% among women with PCOS,
- 44:34controlling for BMI.
- 44:35The risk of OSA is 5 to 10 fold
- 44:38higher in adults with PCOS
- 44:41compared to those without PCOS.
- 44:43*** hormones play a role in the
- 44:46pathogenesis of OSA in PCOS.
- 44:49Insulin resistance is a key feature
- 44:51in both of these conditions.
- 44:53Metformin may reduce BMI,
- 44:55insulin resistance,
- 44:55and net worth C PAP therapy,
- 44:58or oh for OSA in PCOS may
- 45:01reduce cardiometabolic risk.
- 45:02Early treatment of PCOS may
- 45:05reduce the risk of developing OSA.
- 45:08I want to end with the comment that
- 45:10resources only skimmed the surface
- 45:12on the link between PCOS and OSA.
- 45:14We still have much more to learn
- 45:16about the role of *** hormones in the
- 45:19pathogenesis of OSA into feel less.
- 45:21It will also be interesting to see
- 45:23more longitudinal data regarding
- 45:25the treatment of OSA cinepax in
- 45:27PCOS as well as the treatment
- 45:29of PCOS is impacting OSA.
- 45:31And so hopefully I have accomplished
- 45:33the learning objectives in this hour
- 45:35and thank you all for your attention.
- 45:37I also want to thank all of
- 45:40the Yale faculty members,
- 45:41particularly this doctors,
- 45:42Tobias Hilbert,
- 45:43and minor for giving me feedback on
- 45:45my presentation and for Doctor Motion
- 45:47and for supervising me on the case of SK.
- 45:50And I will leave you with this image
- 45:53to remind us about the balance of
- 45:55*** hormones or just bounds in
- 45:57general and open the floor for
- 45:59up for any questions. Thank you.
- 46:03Thank you man, that was excellent really.
- 46:05A wonderful, wonderful overview.
- 46:06So what I would love is if people
- 46:09would like to either unmute
- 46:10themselves and ask their questions,
- 46:12or feel free to put questions in the
- 46:15chat and I will read them so that
- 46:18we don't look at them so we have one
- 46:21question from one of our former fellows.
- 46:23A great talk.
- 46:24What is the timeline from developing
- 46:26PCOS to developing OSA? What do
- 46:28we know about them?
- 46:30That's a great question.
- 46:31So what we know is that. Typically,
- 46:34women who develop PCOS develop it earlier,
- 46:38typically soon after their men are key an.
- 46:42There is typically a lapse of years
- 46:45later in the studies I found many of
- 46:50the adolescent studies 3rd to show OSA,
- 46:53appear in the in the late teens
- 46:57early 20s and there is definitely
- 47:00also a component of obesity that.
- 47:04That of course, the heavier the women,
- 47:07the more likely to they are to
- 47:09have OSA at an earlier age in PCOS,
- 47:13but definitely at a younger age than
- 47:15compared to the general female population.
- 47:19Great thank you.
- 47:20Alright where we have a couple
- 47:22of outstanding presentations.
- 47:23Great talk so it's always nice to see those
- 47:26people don't feel free to ask questions.
- 47:29You know doctor too.
- 47:31I was really struck by.
- 47:34Sort of similar to the to
- 47:36your pregnancy data.
- 47:37When you when you serve,
- 47:38aid OB GY and practitioners here,
- 47:40you know you presented that data
- 47:42about practitioners who take care of
- 47:44these women with PCOS all the time,
- 47:46but their referral rates for sleep
- 47:48evaluations seem right, extraordinary low.
- 47:50And so how do we? How do we change that?
- 47:53Like what would you?
- 47:54What would you suggest?
- 47:56Yeah, that's it. This is a great question,
- 48:00so I think a large factor in that
- 48:03is the lack of awareness of the the
- 48:06link between these two disorders,
- 48:09especially the lack of awareness.
- 48:12How early on in life that OSA may
- 48:15present in in these young out in the
- 48:19adolescents and young women with PCOS.
- 48:22So I think you know, to counteract that,
- 48:25I educational outreach too.
- 48:27You know, having collaboration between
- 48:29the sleep providers and endocrinologist,
- 48:32the reproductive specialist is key.
- 48:34Really an an as I found out from
- 48:37also just reaching out to the OBGYN
- 48:40practitioners on my research with pregnancy.
- 48:43Alot of them were very open and willing to,
- 48:47you know, attend any future you know.
- 48:50Educational session on just learning
- 48:53about how to screen for OSA.
- 48:55What symptoms to look for an?
- 48:58And you know what the treatment benefits are.
- 49:01They do want to know,
- 49:02and they're very interested in
- 49:04any educational opportunities.
- 49:05Terrific, right?
- 49:06So it sounds
- 49:07like it's really up to us as the sleep
- 49:10practitioners to really help educate and
- 49:12really teach them what they need to know.
- 49:14So that's terrific. Let me see.
- 49:16I'm just saying, oh, go ahead.
- 49:20Ivan, that was a wonderful twice really
- 49:22putting it all together nicely with the
- 49:25scientific background and all the clinical.
- 49:28So as you all heard is there is a wide open.
- 49:32Field at investigate.
- 49:33They buy directional relationship between
- 49:35this year's and OSA and and I'm sure
- 49:38it's going to make a huge impact if
- 49:41you have better understanding of the.
- 49:44Hormonal variations within PCOS population.
- 49:46Some of them may not have an actual
- 49:49increase in androgen levels,
- 49:52so trying to dissect out who are
- 49:55within that PCOS group actually
- 49:58at higher risk of developing OSA
- 50:00or an or metabolic syndrome.
- 50:03So maybe either current fellows
- 50:06or future fellows can actually
- 50:09get into this and do a kind of a
- 50:12translational and clinical
- 50:13correlation type of
- 50:15research. So it's going to be
- 50:17very fruitful, kind of the area
- 50:19to investigate absolutely absolutely.
- 50:21Yeah, the what we know.
- 50:23As I've mentioned in one of the slides,
- 50:26is that a lot of the data we know
- 50:28on the effect hormones role in PCOS
- 50:31and OSA development comes from,
- 50:33you know, studies looking at normal
- 50:35women's luteal phase, pregnant women.
- 50:37And so a lot of this. This.
- 50:40This is still not hashed out in PCOS.
- 50:43So I think really,
- 50:44diving in and looking at the role
- 50:47of *** hormones is important.
- 50:51Terrific so we have another
- 50:53question and this again revolves
- 50:54around treatment and you know this
- 50:57seems like limited data on C Pap's
- 50:59obviously to Doctor Most means point
- 51:01right areas fruitful for research.
- 51:03But a question of have you come
- 51:05across any information about the
- 51:07role of surgical weight loss?
- 51:08For for individuals who have PCOS and OSA?
- 51:12Yes, so the current recommendations
- 51:15in terms of surgical weight loss
- 51:19from the International Society on
- 51:22PCOS is is kind of it's conditional.
- 51:26There is not enough evidence to
- 51:30show that even bariatric surgery
- 51:33in PCOS is a strong recommendation
- 51:36or even a definitive potential
- 51:39definitive treatment for the.
- 51:43Hormonal imbalance or insulin
- 51:45resistance so they they are very,
- 51:48very cautious in that particular
- 51:51recommendation and also especially
- 51:54that a lot of these are young women so.
- 51:59And obviously,
- 52:00the weight comprehensive weight loss
- 52:02program is the initial approach.
- 52:05With these young women,
- 52:07and certainly I have not come over
- 52:11across any evidence regarding
- 52:13bariatric surgery.
- 52:15For these two conditions combined.
- 52:18Great thank you. Thank you.
- 52:20Alright so I think we have a few more
- 52:23minutes or maybe one more minute
- 52:25if anyone has another question.
- 52:27Ann wants to unmute themselves.
- 52:29I know we have a conference at three
- 52:31so I I'm mindful of. Yeah, I yeah,
- 52:34I'd like to make a very quick comment.
- 52:37Several years ago when I was still in Canada,
- 52:40I had a bunch of patients with PCOS and
- 52:43there was only at the time there was only
- 52:46one article about it in the literature,
- 52:48so I submitted my series.
- 52:50To this Journal to the main Journal
- 52:53of obstetrics and gynecology and
- 52:55I got an instantaneous rejection.
- 52:58And the and the rejection letter said.
- 53:00And this is a paraphrase.
- 53:02Our readers have no interest in sleep.
- 53:05I mean, this is like so, anyway,
- 53:07so I thought I I sort of throw that in that,
- 53:12and I think we might still be in that
- 53:15situation because, as you mentioned,
- 53:17Janet, we're not getting a whole
- 53:19lot of referrals from from,
- 53:21you know, from the gynecologists.
- 53:23Right, right I.
- 53:24But you know,
- 53:25as Doctor Chu mentioned,
- 53:26you know,
- 53:27I think that when we approached
- 53:28them an ask them questions about why
- 53:30aren't you screening and what are the
- 53:32barriers at its lack of knowledge.
- 53:34And yes,
- 53:35they are actually interested in learning
- 53:36so hopefully hopefully we've evolved.
- 53:38You know,
- 53:39since you got that rejection letter.
- 53:42So alright, well I would like to
- 53:44thank everybody for their attention,
- 53:46specifically Doctor Chu.
- 53:47This was outstanding and everyone for
- 53:49your comments and your questions.
- 53:50I think we will adjourn at this point,
- 53:53so thanks everyone. Have a great thank you.
- 53:56Bye bye great talk, Ivan.
- 53:57Great talk. Thank you so much.
- 53:59Thank
- 54:00you thank you, thank you everyone.