"Optimizing Virtual and Distance Learning During Pandemic and Beyond - Sleep Medicine Fello wship Edition" Hira Bakhtiar (03.31.2021)
April 11, 2021"Optimizing Virtual and Distance Learning During Pandemic and Beyond - Sleep Medicine Fello wship Edition" Hira Bakhtiar (03.31.2021)
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- 00:51Good afternoon.
- 00:51I'm Lauren Tobias and I'd like
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- 01:56so I will turn it over to Ian
- 01:59to introduce Doctor Bhatia.
- 02:00Refer today great.
- 02:01Well, thank you very
- 02:03much. So I have the honor
- 02:05of introducing our speaker,
- 02:06Doctor Hero Bakhtiar.
- 02:07She is one of our sleep fellows
- 02:09and I've known here for at least
- 02:11four years and so it's fantastic
- 02:13that she's presenting this topic,
- 02:15which you know, just for everyone's sake.
- 02:17This is really could count as
- 02:19a faculty development lecture.
- 02:21So if you need that for your AC
- 02:23GME requirements, this is a.
- 02:25Really on point topic.
- 02:26So Doctor Hera went to the University
- 02:29of Texas Health Science Center 4 at
- 02:32Tyler for her Turtle Medicine residency
- 02:34and we were lucky to have her for the
- 02:37last four years at the North Hospital,
- 02:39Yale University Pulmonary Program as well as
- 02:42she did her critical care year at at Yale,
- 02:45New Haven and then I was able to
- 02:48convince her to stay for one final
- 02:50year of training at Sleep Medicine.
- 02:53So little interesting fact about Doctor Hira.
- 02:56So she also.
- 02:57Initially,
- 02:57when she was young,
- 02:58she wanted to be a beekeeper and this
- 03:01was her her dream to be a beekeeper.
- 03:03But when she was six years old,
- 03:06she was stung by a bee and
- 03:08how to anaphylactic reaction.
- 03:09An Luckily her father was quick to respond
- 03:12and administered epinephrine and that
- 03:13was the end of her beekeeping career,
- 03:15and we're lucky that she that she
- 03:17was with us today and able to be
- 03:20a fantastic position that she is
- 03:22were also very lucky to have her.
- 03:24She's decided to stay on at New York
- 03:27Hospital and should be one of our.
- 03:29Core faculty for pulmonary critical
- 03:31care and sleep at Norwalk Hospital
- 03:33so will be working at professional
- 03:35colleagues and I couldn't be
- 03:37any more happier,
- 03:38so her topic will be on optimizing
- 03:40virtual distance learning
- 03:41during pandemic and beyond.
- 03:43And really,
- 03:43this is meant to be sort of a little
- 03:46unique topic and that this is a medical
- 03:49education topic which will have
- 03:51interest to both faculty and fellows.
- 03:53So Doctor here
- 03:54and take it away. Thank you.
- 03:56Thank you so much and welcome everyone.
- 03:59Just a few housekeeping.
- 04:01Items I don't have any commercial support.
- 04:04I'm a fellow and I have
- 04:07no conflicts of interests.
- 04:08This is the text code and this will
- 04:12appear in your chat box later as well,
- 04:16so I am going to start talking about
- 04:19what I'm passionate to talk about.
- 04:22So GME graduate medical education has
- 04:24relied on face to face interactions to
- 04:27fulfill clinical didactic and scholarship
- 04:30components amid the coronavirus pandemic.
- 04:32And the need for social distancing.
- 04:35This virtual learning platform
- 04:37has significantly reshaped anina
- 04:39rated on how we teach and engage
- 04:42with our medical trainees.
- 04:44Due to the pandemic,
- 04:46the residencies and fellowships have
- 04:48implemented programs to optimize
- 04:50virtual and distance learning,
- 04:52and I'll be discussing how specific
- 04:55aspects of Sleep Medicine training,
- 04:57such as clinical care,
- 04:59didactic scholarships,
- 05:00training well being, and can be adopted.
- 05:03In a virtual learning environment,
- 05:06so my objectives for today's talk are to
- 05:09discuss virtual learning and didactic.
- 05:12Delivering a virtual clinical
- 05:13learning environment,
- 05:14strategies to optimize and maximize
- 05:17learning for the trainees,
- 05:18and how to take care of our trainees
- 05:21in the setting of distance learning
- 05:24an Lastly to review the news
- 05:27sleep Medicine's milestones 2.0.
- 05:30Before I get into a virtual clinical care,
- 05:33you know, talk,
- 05:34I just want to say that you know, we've had.
- 05:38I don't want to define it again because
- 05:41we've had many deli medicine talks,
- 05:43but I want to emphasize that, you know,
- 05:46telling medicine is the forefront
- 05:48of our clinical care delivery now.
- 05:50Sleep Medicine is very well suited
- 05:53for telling medicine.
- 05:54Given the use of cloud based technologies
- 05:56for Pap adherence and monitoring,
- 05:58you know.
- 05:59While the field has long advocated
- 06:01for telling medicines.
- 06:02Hello,
- 06:03Ship programs have not implemented
- 06:05them universally for the trainees,
- 06:08but recent adaptations to pair
- 06:10policies have made Tele Medicine
- 06:13services more accessible to patients
- 06:15and the AC GME also now permits
- 06:19study medicine to be incorporated
- 06:21into our clinical training programs.
- 06:24The rapid shift to social distancing and
- 06:27remote working presents the programs
- 06:30with the time we opportunity to explore.
- 06:33Expose Sleep Medicine trainees to
- 06:35tell him medicine an equip them with
- 06:38the skills that they will undoubtedly
- 06:40build upon during their careers.
- 06:42Before I discuss the case,
- 06:44I would like to, you know,
- 06:47do a pull about you know how.
- 06:51Everybody in this meeting
- 06:53feels about telling medicine,
- 06:55and I I really wanna know whether you
- 06:58agree if Sleep Medicine training has
- 07:00become an important important part
- 07:03of practicing Sleep Medicine for you,
- 07:06and you know whether you were
- 07:09an academic setting or not.
- 07:15I'll just give this a few more seconds
- 07:17and then share my results with you guys.
- 07:25So that's good. Almost 70% of the
- 07:30people agree that it is an important
- 07:34part of practicing Sleep Medicine.
- 07:38So let me start with a clinical case.
- 07:41We have a typical bread and butter,
- 07:44Sleep Medicine case of Mr.
- 07:45Piper, who's a 68 year old
- 07:48male living in Shelton, CT.
- 07:50He has hypertension.
- 07:51He's on two medications.
- 07:52He reports Nonrestorative sleep
- 07:54to his primary care physician.
- 07:56In addition,
- 07:56he snores has gasping and choking spells
- 07:59at night as well as business apneas.
- 08:02He easily nods off in the morning
- 08:04and does not have morning headaches.
- 08:07His exam is notable for a BMI of 33.
- 08:10His neck circumference is 70.
- 08:12And a half inches and Marlon party for Herve.
- 08:15So the next steps would be for him to
- 08:18be referred to a Sleep Medicine clinic.
- 08:21After you know the stock Bank
- 08:23of eight out of eight.
- 08:25And now I'm just gonna dive into how this
- 08:28wizard would be conducted in person.
- 08:31So you know the patient is seen in the
- 08:33clinic evaluated by the Sleep Medicine.
- 08:36Fellow history is obtained and
- 08:38then you know attending in the
- 08:40fellow recommend a sleep study.
- 08:42Home versus in lab studies and the
- 08:45steep studies performed and scored.
- 08:47A results are discussed again with Mr.
- 08:50Piper and the next visit,
- 08:52and then he chooses C Pap based
- 08:55on the severity of OSA and DME,
- 08:57company meets him to start the see
- 09:00PAP and then he follows up again
- 09:03to review the download adherence
- 09:05and if any questions he has now
- 09:08if this wizard was to be conducted
- 09:11virtually you know.
- 09:12In this distance learning environment,
- 09:14how do we incorporate our trainee and
- 09:17you know how will they conduct a visit?
- 09:20You know, whatever platform you use,
- 09:22all the steps remain the same.
- 09:25If you see that except that they
- 09:27all become remote and virtual,
- 09:29you know he's seen in the clinic.
- 09:32Virtually sleep studies performed at home.
- 09:34The results are on cloud.
- 09:36It can be scored virtually as well,
- 09:39you know, and then DM.
- 09:41He can also do a virtual setup.
- 09:44And then the patient meets again remotely
- 09:47to review, download, and adherence.
- 09:49What it does for our Mr Piper is that it
- 09:53does eliminate the need for five visits,
- 09:55which can be cumbersome, time-consuming,
- 09:57and time away for work and then.
- 10:00Also, it brings us to a point.
- 10:03If our trainees are ready to do
- 10:06virtual clinic during their training.
- 10:08A former trainee perspective,
- 10:10you know,
- 10:11I have another poll question that
- 10:14I like to ask before I start on.
- 10:18You know how?
- 10:20We can train our fellows to do
- 10:23virtual medic medicine,
- 10:23so I'm gonna launch that pool Now.
- 10:26And what I really want to know is
- 10:27that how much daily medicine do
- 10:29you incorporate into your practice?
- 10:48I'll give it a few more seconds.
- 10:56Alright, I'm gonna share the results
- 10:59so this is kind of a divided.
- 11:02About 40% participants have
- 11:03over 50% of their, you know,
- 11:06practice intelli medicine, an A-40.
- 11:09A good half is less than 25%, you know?
- 11:13Now this may be something because of
- 11:17institution you know, or you know,
- 11:20not everybody has telemedicine technology.
- 11:22So what would a virtual visit
- 11:25look like for a fellow?
- 11:28You know, despite widespread use
- 11:30of outpatient telling medicine?
- 11:32You know there are logistical differences
- 11:34that exist in its implementation.
- 11:36As you can see in these pictures
- 11:39of the first one on the left,
- 11:41you can see we're meeting the
- 11:43patient virtually in the attending
- 11:45could potentially be present
- 11:47for the entire visit with them.
- 11:49It was a break for the fellow in attending
- 11:52to confer go over the assessment plan
- 11:54and recommendations for the patients,
- 11:57which does provide that ending opportunity
- 11:59to observe the fellows history
- 12:00building and communication skills.
- 12:02This kind of direct observation
- 12:04is a potential benefit for telling
- 12:06medicine environment,
- 12:07as attendings presence is not as
- 12:10physically obtrusive as it might be
- 12:12during the face to face visit and this
- 12:15other picture on the right that you see,
- 12:18you do see that the attending and the
- 12:20fellow are conducting the virtual wizard,
- 12:23going over results of in this
- 12:25picture CAT scan.
- 12:26But in our case would be a
- 12:29polysomnography or some other sleep test.
- 12:32You know and discussing the care plan
- 12:34with the patient and you know you can
- 12:37have a medical student or a resident.
- 12:39Also observing at the same time remotely,
- 12:41you know.
- 12:41And then the next point I want
- 12:44to make is that you know this.
- 12:47These pictures you know in the top left
- 12:50approach that ending is conducting
- 12:52the wizard with the patient and going
- 12:54over the results with the patient,
- 12:57while the fellow could be observer
- 12:59observing the whole entire visit.
- 13:01And this could be,
- 13:02you know,
- 13:03in the beginning of the fellowship
- 13:05and then on the right you can see
- 13:08the resident or the fellow is
- 13:10just speaking with the patient.
- 13:13While the attending is,
- 13:14you know,
- 13:15in another room and maybe going over a
- 13:18study or something and then they come back,
- 13:21discuss together and then go
- 13:23back and speak with the patient
- 13:25again to go over the results.
- 13:27So there's many,
- 13:28many flavors of how you know
- 13:31virtual visits can perform while
- 13:33you have a training program.
- 13:35Some of the things you know to
- 13:37conduct a video visit from attorney
- 13:39training perspective, you know,
- 13:41make sure you have a space.
- 13:44That is quite an valid and you know.
- 13:48Where you're able to do your tally
- 13:51examination and visit and then also
- 13:53make sure the patient who's there can
- 13:56hear and see you well and the other
- 13:58thing I want to emphasize is that be
- 14:01familiar with the platform that you
- 14:04have an you know some of the things
- 14:06where the buttons are how to navigate it,
- 14:09and you know if it's not working or if there
- 14:12are any system glitches how to reset it and
- 14:15then two of the things that are important.
- 14:19An unique to virtual visit is that you
- 14:21have to make sure you're speaking to
- 14:24the patient you're scheduled to see,
- 14:26and then you also explain to them the
- 14:29limitations of a virtual visit, an take
- 14:32permission from them to go over the visit.
- 14:35Some of the things we can do during your
- 14:38tally or virtual visit for trainees
- 14:40that you know while the exam is limited,
- 14:44but there are still some things that
- 14:46you can observe or visualize during.
- 14:49You're interviewing with the patient
- 14:51like their general appearance.
- 14:53How do they look?
- 14:54Are they sad, happy, or angry?
- 14:57You know their work of breathing.
- 15:01Sorry, there's some.
- 15:07Hello.
- 15:09And I already went over documentations.
- 15:11The two unique things about a Tele visit,
- 15:13or that you know you do need a consent
- 15:16for a video visit an you know also
- 15:19have to verify the patient's location.
- 15:22Some primary care visits,
- 15:23you know it may not be very unique to
- 15:26Sleep Medicine is that if you are able,
- 15:29and if you're patient can you can always
- 15:32ask them to check their temperature.
- 15:34Wade polls blood pressure prior to
- 15:36visit and then that way you can
- 15:39document as well because you know
- 15:41there is a limitation and that
- 15:43when it comes to virtual visit,
- 15:45one thing I want to emphasize is that you
- 15:48know not just having a regular work routine,
- 15:50but having an adequate workspace.
- 15:53Is important as you see on the left,
- 15:56this is a Doctor Who was having a jury duty
- 16:00while in the middle of performing a surgery,
- 16:04and while it is possible and he
- 16:07probably thought it was right,
- 16:09but you know it,
- 16:10it's not the most appropriate thing to do.
- 16:16Some of the factors and you know,
- 16:19I don't have a lot of scientific evidence.
- 16:22There's a lot of anecdotal
- 16:24data and a lot of commentary,
- 16:27but some of the factors that can
- 16:30or characteristic's that can show
- 16:32the fellow will be able to perform
- 16:35the tasks independently or do well
- 16:37with a virtual environment include,
- 16:40you know, an organized fellow who
- 16:43can perform tasks independently.
- 16:45Or is able to work with minimal
- 16:48direct supervision,
- 16:48which is not synonymous with
- 16:51the lack of supervision.
- 16:52Someone who has official who's sufficient
- 16:55has good time management skill and
- 16:57communication skills is able to
- 16:59identify people to be communicated to,
- 17:02you know, is able to speak with
- 17:05the perceptor clearly have a plan
- 17:07outline and then someone you know.
- 17:09Because we're using technology,
- 17:11it's always good to be tech savvy
- 17:14and have a back.
- 17:16Backup plan for technical
- 17:17disturbances and then Lastly you know.
- 17:20Have a clear documentation of
- 17:22supervision and the virtual visit.
- 17:24Some of the challenges of the
- 17:26virtual learning or the virtual
- 17:28visit is that you know choosing who
- 17:31is appropriate for a virtual visit.
- 17:34It's not always.
- 17:35Not everyone can do it and then and
- 17:38that is not entirely up to you.
- 17:41Know our training because some of
- 17:43the front staff schedules are patient,
- 17:46and while patients are offered to.
- 17:48See us virtually some of the patients
- 17:51may not be able to, you know,
- 17:54do very well with the virtual technology so.
- 17:59The other thing is that it is important
- 18:01that we need Internet technology,
- 18:04so Accessibility to a stable phone or a
- 18:07broadband broadband connection can be a
- 18:09challenge in rural areas for patients
- 18:11and also patients with limited income.
- 18:14Not everybody has Internet or uses Internet,
- 18:16and then you know time management.
- 18:19What I really mean by that is there
- 18:21are some virtual platforms that
- 18:23end the visit at a certain time.
- 18:26So because of the limited times.
- 18:29Lot you know you,
- 18:30you may be still in a conversation.
- 18:33It may just abruptly an in the
- 18:35Lastly is there is always a physical
- 18:37examination limitation.
- 18:38An physical exam is a core component
- 18:42of training.
- 18:43And we're not there yet.
- 18:45In order to, you know,
- 18:47get our virtual formats where we're able to.
- 18:50You know Oscar theater longs or
- 18:52listen to their heart sounds,
- 18:54which may not be so relevant to
- 18:56Sleep Medicine.
- 18:57Or, you know, look at the airway,
- 19:00because it's not very easy to look
- 19:02at the airway if you've tried it.
- 19:05So how do we make our fellows
- 19:07trained for a virtual visit?
- 19:09First and foremost is that while we
- 19:12do practice telehealth to an extent.
- 19:14We don't really have a structured
- 19:16Anna define training like there is no
- 19:19virtual virtual curriculum for or or
- 19:21a curriculum for virtual clinical encounters,
- 19:25so you know something that
- 19:27would be helpful would be,
- 19:29you know, online modules,
- 19:31virtual lectures or simulation of,
- 19:33you know, simple bread and butter,
- 19:36Sleep Medicine cases off, you know.
- 19:38Oh I say,
- 19:40restless leg narcolepsy or insomnia.
- 19:42While you know you starting.
- 19:44To train your fellows and then technology
- 19:47is why don't you practice learning
- 19:49what is standard to your center is
- 19:52also important during orientation,
- 19:54and then if you go to several training
- 19:58places, learning what is unique.
- 20:00To those places is also important.
- 20:02One good thing about sleep is that you
- 20:05know we do have digital diagnostics.
- 20:08You know PSG's all sleep studies
- 20:10can be read and scored virtually,
- 20:12and you know attending and fellow can
- 20:15you know meet while zoom and go over
- 20:18the scoring while they are remotely
- 20:20working or not in the same place.
- 20:23And then Lastly something we
- 20:26tend to you know.
- 20:28Kind of assume that people know is
- 20:31that you know website manners thinks
- 20:33as simple as positioning of the camera,
- 20:37maintaining eye contact,
- 20:38you know picking up on the
- 20:40nonverbal cues of the patient,
- 20:42and you know also doing the virtual
- 20:45clinic in an appropriate place like
- 20:47not in an R or not while you're
- 20:50driving some patients you know.
- 20:53Maybe it will also for the patient,
- 20:56some patients may be doing
- 20:58something and be distracted.
- 21:00And then you know,
- 21:01if they're not distracted,
- 21:03it's easy to engage them.
- 21:06So how can we enhance the sleep
- 21:09education for telly sleep education?
- 21:12First and foremost,
- 21:13you know sleep education Delhi sleep
- 21:16education for fellows and also training
- 21:19the faculty into training the fellows.
- 21:22And you know,
- 21:23I already discussed this but you know
- 21:27having a curriculum for virtual training
- 21:30and then if the fellow an attending
- 21:34are going to have remote working.
- 21:37You know,
- 21:38in their training approval of that,
- 21:41as some programs may not allow
- 21:43that and then training modules
- 21:45geared such as you know,
- 21:48simulation of cases,
- 21:49an incorporation of those into
- 21:51orientation or boot camp,
- 21:53and then always taking feedback on how
- 21:56we're doing while we're doing that,
- 21:59Ellie sleep training an also
- 22:01utilizing institutional resources
- 22:03to adopt or Kelly sleep model.
- 22:05Also I.
- 22:06I did mention this already,
- 22:09but setting expectations or a framework
- 22:11for while you're supervising a trainee,
- 22:14whether it's a fellow or if a fellow
- 22:17is supervising a medical resident,
- 22:20directly or indirectly,
- 22:21and some of the things that you
- 22:24can do short term is to collaborate
- 22:27with your institutions.
- 22:29Information technology expert to
- 22:30understand which remote meeting platforms
- 22:32are available with institutional support,
- 22:35something that is HIPAA compliant.
- 22:37Because,
- 22:38you know,
- 22:38we do kiss conferences and then
- 22:41identifying current didactic and
- 22:43clinical learning opportunities
- 22:44within the program that are
- 22:47amenable to virtual delivery.
- 22:49Pinpoint gaps in the curriculum
- 22:50like we don't have a virtual sleep
- 22:53curriculum that may be well served with
- 22:57innovative distance learning methods.
- 22:59Establishing short communications to
- 23:01see the transition to distance learning,
- 23:04and quickly address barriers
- 23:06to implementation long term.
- 23:08You know,
- 23:08always checking with IT 'cause
- 23:10there's always better online
- 23:12platforms that can align with
- 23:14the institutional standards,
- 23:16and then you know.
- 23:17Also taking it even as far as
- 23:20identifying and measuring outcomes
- 23:22such as patient related outcomes
- 23:25or educational outcomes if they
- 23:27do improve either one of them,
- 23:29it's always better and then evaluation
- 23:32of the distance learning methods
- 23:34as a part of either annual program
- 23:38evaluation or a mid year evaluation.
- 23:40And things that could be, you know,
- 23:44monitored longitudinally that are
- 23:46integrated into the program and comparing
- 23:50it to other GME programs or comparing
- 23:53into programs within the specialty.
- 23:57I have one more and this will
- 23:59be my last poll question.
- 24:06Just give me one moment and I'm going
- 24:09to share this so and so I want to know
- 24:13what formats are you all using currently
- 24:16for Jelly Medicine and I may not have
- 24:19all of them so you can you always free.
- 24:23Do you know use the comment option.
- 24:40Alright, so let me share the results.
- 24:44So most of the people use my chart Doc.
- 24:48See an American valve. That's great.
- 24:51I think I'm familiar with all of them.
- 24:55So. Now I'm going to shift my, you know,
- 25:01talk to my the second portion,
- 25:04which is distance learning
- 25:06and this is learning.
- 25:08You know, there's a broad range of
- 25:11didactic activities you can see.
- 25:13All of the ones that I've highlighted,
- 25:17which are a core component of
- 25:19fellowship training curriculum.
- 25:21These includes lectures, case,
- 25:23conferences, great round simulations,
- 25:25case based teaching in Journal clubs.
- 25:28And you know,
- 25:29the large the suspension of large face
- 25:32to face interactions has you know forced
- 25:35many of us do to convert to virtual
- 25:39platforms and requiring to you know,
- 25:42requiring programs to rethink
- 25:44high quality education.
- 25:45The virtual platforms do allow
- 25:47programs to continue structured
- 25:49educational curricula while complying
- 25:51with physical distancing directives,
- 25:53and have been met with varying levels
- 25:57of satisfaction due to inherent.
- 25:59Disadvantages and advantages, you know,
- 26:02but there are many features that
- 26:05you know we can incorporate an.
- 26:09You know,
- 26:10learn and keep our trainees engaged.
- 26:13One of the most important concerns
- 26:16you know among training faculty during
- 26:19the pandemic was whether fellows
- 26:22continue to receive adequate training.
- 26:25Seeing a diverse and heterogeneous
- 26:27patient makes an R will be able to
- 26:31do independence practice so virtual
- 26:34platforms do allow you to have
- 26:38structured educational curricula.
- 26:40But before the pandemic.
- 26:44You know we'd use them.
- 26:47We use social media more as well,
- 26:50you know,
- 26:51but they don't have the outlet for
- 26:54medical education in depth an not
- 26:57the organization to reliability.
- 27:00Implement in curriculum some of the
- 27:03advantages and disadvantages of the
- 27:05virtual an online data tactics are,
- 27:08you know, they've all their flexible.
- 27:11There's asynchronous and synchronous
- 27:13learning modules.
- 27:14But they do require self motivation
- 27:16and discipline which can promote
- 27:19personal responsibility,
- 27:20creative teaching techniques.
- 27:21You know there's online team based
- 27:24learning simulation exercises,
- 27:26but also at the same times it limits
- 27:29the networking because you're
- 27:31not meeting in person,
- 27:33so it also limits you social interaction.
- 27:36But at the same time it can encourage
- 27:39members to build professional relationships,
- 27:42individualized learning or
- 27:44self directed learning.
- 27:45But you know the disadvantage of personal
- 27:49learning is that it does not allow for
- 27:52real time faculty fellow interaction.
- 27:55But you know,
- 27:56you can always provide online
- 27:58summary statements to address
- 28:00questions from learners.
- 28:02The good thing about,
- 28:03except it is it that it is iaccessible
- 28:06all members can participate.
- 28:08There is limited nonverbal communication,
- 28:10but you know that can be overcome by
- 28:13having a facilitator or moderator.
- 28:16It is convenient 'cause there's
- 28:17really no commuter travel required.
- 28:19All you really need is in need is a
- 28:22good Internet connection and there
- 28:24is a general perception that virtual
- 28:27education is not as effective as
- 28:30traditional didactic teaching.
- 28:31While we don't have.
- 28:33Any you know data that proves it but
- 28:38you know it is just a general perception?
- 28:42You know one thing is that we
- 28:44can have equal
- 28:45participation through virtual
- 28:46learning because you know it can limit
- 28:49monopoly from more vocal participants.
- 28:52But sometimes it may be challenging,
- 28:54because if you're not very tech savvy,
- 28:57it's hard to do that.
- 28:58You know, engage your audience and
- 29:01go through your talk at the same
- 29:04time it is anonymous and cost saving.
- 29:07Some of the good things about some
- 29:09of the virtual platforms is that you
- 29:12know they're either available as an
- 29:14application on your phone desktop,
- 29:17even as a web browser, wherever you are,
- 29:20you can always, or you just really need,
- 29:23is a smartphone an Internet,
- 29:25and you're able to log in and you're able to,
- 29:29you know, share documents and
- 29:31slides collaboratively.
- 29:31You know, and then pull feature can have
- 29:35some audience engagement and is able to.
- 29:37You know and give the results right away.
- 29:41You can stream and record conferences easily,
- 29:44share materials like slides,
- 29:45figures, an you know the one thing
- 29:48is that it's always just send.
- 29:50It's always good to send.
- 29:54A program announcement ahead of time.
- 29:58Anne, but at the same time doing.
- 30:00Burden with.
- 30:17But some of the examples that I want
- 30:19to use is that we used to have a seat
- 30:22fellowship director rounds every Friday
- 30:24afternoon in person before the pandemic.
- 30:27But as we started our fellowship,
- 30:29we started it.
- 30:29You know in July so we had converted
- 30:32these director rounds into a virtual format,
- 30:35and we've been also doing
- 30:36the yield sleep conferences,
- 30:38the fellow conferences at 4:00 PM,
- 30:40virtually with zoom, which I'm not
- 30:42sure if we were to do the year before.
- 30:45I think it required the fellows of travel.
- 30:48In two New Haven for the Norwalk Fellows,
- 30:51so you know, in this era the
- 30:54need for solutions to optimize
- 30:56educational endeavors has accelerated.
- 30:58Many programs have sought to improvise
- 31:01with new technologies such as Zoom,
- 31:04Slack, Google Rooms, Microsoft Teams.
- 31:08So like I said at our institution,
- 31:11a combination of zoom has
- 31:14facilitated fellowship,
- 31:15educational activities and then the
- 31:17format has been a popular format.
- 31:20It it kind of.
- 31:24Fosters a sense of community among the
- 31:27fellows despite rotations at multiple
- 31:29places in being in multiple programs,
- 31:31and it's an easy interface.
- 31:33Accessible outlets an it's a
- 31:36collaborative platform an it's very
- 31:38well integrated an you know we have
- 31:41secure cloud systems used by our health
- 31:44care systems where we store our common.
- 31:48Now things like articles
- 31:50that we want people to read.
- 31:53And then so All in all,
- 31:55it is kind of one stop shop
- 31:58for all our educational needs.
- 32:01Where in one single application we
- 32:03share articles stored in our fellowship
- 32:05Cloud Work Laboratory on the same document,
- 32:08like you know,
- 32:10we've been writing a book chapter,
- 32:12and we've been collaborating
- 32:14through Google Docs and conduct
- 32:16an engaging virtual conference.
- 32:18Uhm?
- 32:19The last thing I want to talk about,
- 32:23you know, uh, in terms of virtual learning,
- 32:26is that it's always good to plan before.
- 32:29So make a plan for your topic and
- 32:31how you will use the technology.
- 32:34It's always good to come in early,
- 32:36so you can,
- 32:38you know,
- 32:38troubleshoot all the problems you
- 32:40may have with the technology,
- 32:42and then it's always good to use the
- 32:45full feature to engage the audience,
- 32:47specially during a PowerPoint
- 32:49presentations and then.
- 32:51When you share the topic,
- 32:53or if you're doing any educational
- 32:55or teaching talk,
- 32:56there's always whiteboard features
- 32:58that you can use,
- 32:59and then while you're starting the session,
- 33:02when you start early,
- 33:03it's always good to set expectations
- 33:06that you're gonna use this
- 33:08much time for your talk and the
- 33:10rest for questions or comments,
- 33:12and then you know how you plan to
- 33:15use the chat function, how you,
- 33:18you know you can always assign.
- 33:20Full presenter you know,
- 33:22or a facilitator to monitor the
- 33:25chat box while you're speaking,
- 33:28and then during the talk you
- 33:31know going back to your agenda,
- 33:34sticking to it with your plan,
- 33:38and then also being intentional with
- 33:41the with facilitating the conversation
- 33:43and then paying attention to the group.
- 33:47Dynamics is important an you know.
- 33:50Ask for reflections or.
- 33:52Touch from participants who may be
- 33:55less verbal. Ask questions.
- 33:57Try to actively listen and respond actively.
- 34:01Incorporate thinking or reflecting
- 34:03time when your participants are
- 34:05learning new information an after
- 34:07you're done with the session.
- 34:09It's always good to send an email with
- 34:13important teaching points and dates
- 34:15of future sessions and recap of take
- 34:18home points or pertinent articles for
- 34:21additional reading, which we've been.
- 34:23Doing the whole year.
- 34:26The next thing I want to discuss
- 34:28is that you know.
- 34:29How to generate scholarship while distance
- 34:32learning trainings an faculty they
- 34:35can continue to generate a scholarship
- 34:37within a distance learning framework.
- 34:40Virtual collaboration platforms
- 34:41such as Google Drive,
- 34:43Slack Towel, and Basecamp.
- 34:45These are just some of the
- 34:48examples that I came through.
- 34:50You know they facilitate
- 34:52asynchronous work on group projects.
- 34:55In fact, incorporation of distance
- 34:57learning strategies for training research.
- 35:00Opens new possibilities for
- 35:02cross institutional mentorship
- 35:03and project collaboration.
- 35:05And now more than ever,
- 35:08programs within the same specialty can
- 35:11pool resources to broaden training,
- 35:14engagement and research and
- 35:16quality improvement endeavors.
- 35:18And this partnership can help trainees
- 35:21forge meaningful relationships with their
- 35:24peers and mentors across the institution.
- 35:28And the establishment of virtual
- 35:30training resources Xherdan sustained
- 35:32by faculty at multiple institutions
- 35:35may help the development of a more
- 35:38clinical researchers who in turn can
- 35:40propel sleep and circadian science
- 35:42and advanced the patient care.
- 35:44While it is equally important to you,
- 35:47know, have good training,
- 35:49how do we give feedback to fellows
- 35:52as well as faculty?
- 35:54You know some good things about virtual
- 35:57format is because the attending can.
- 36:00Directly observe you while you
- 36:02conducting an interview and also
- 36:04making your assessment.
- 36:06And sometimes you know patient may
- 36:08want to talk directly to a trainee
- 36:11and this also permits a cleaner,
- 36:14cleaner assessment of the fellows
- 36:16performance and some of the strategies
- 36:19that the fellows are using to optimize
- 36:22their virtual care can be assessed and
- 36:25reviewed with the fellow later on.
- 36:27And you know the opportunity to
- 36:29take assess history gathering and
- 36:31communication skills via telehealth.
- 36:33Line very well with fundamental components
- 36:36of competency based medical education,
- 36:38which I'm going to be
- 36:41talking about in the end.
- 36:43You know,
- 36:44and also you know if you're
- 36:46using the virtual platform,
- 36:48some institution can allow session recording
- 36:51and the attending can provide feedback,
- 36:54while post hoc review of fellow delivered
- 36:57care as an alternative to a medical,
- 37:00clinical,
- 37:00mini clinical exam,
- 37:02or mini CX.
- 37:03And then the fellow may also gain
- 37:06inside to their care delivery
- 37:08by viewing a video of themselves
- 37:11engaged in our real world.
- 37:13Virtual patient care.
- 37:16So and then the next and very very
- 37:20important topic is all about well
- 37:23being as we innovate to address
- 37:26fellow educational needs.
- 37:29We also must acknowledge that
- 37:31effective learning is hindered by
- 37:34high levels of stress or, you know,
- 37:38a burnout which is unhealthy stress.
- 37:41In medicine it is defined as a
- 37:44combination of emotional exhaustion,
- 37:47depersonalization.
- 37:47And low personal accomplishment.
- 37:50Uh,
- 37:51caused by chronic stress of medical practice.
- 37:54You know, burnout affects many physicians,
- 37:57and trainees are more effective.
- 38:00You know, recent studies also show
- 38:03their residents and fellows were
- 38:05more statistically burned out,
- 38:08about 60% and depressed with lower quality
- 38:11of life markers and higher levels of fatigue
- 38:15compared with earlier care physicians.
- 38:18And Furthermore, burnout is.
- 38:20Well known to negatively
- 38:22affect quality of patient care,
- 38:25increase health care costs,
- 38:27and worsening physical health.
- 38:29And while we do seek efforts to
- 38:33address this crisis by prior teising,
- 38:36mental well being and freedom from stress,
- 38:40how do we do that in a virtual you know
- 38:44or social distancing format you know?
- 38:48Ever since the 2000s,
- 38:50there have been many, many.
- 38:53Velma's there has been almost an
- 38:56explosion of Wellness resources and
- 38:58literature in the last two decades.
- 39:01To you know, even creation of the
- 39:04national academic of Medicine Action,
- 39:07collaboration on Clinician Val
- 39:09being an resilience.
- 39:10Few years ago an also by AC GME and
- 39:15this is just some of the AC gme,
- 39:19well being resources.
- 39:20That address training, burnout and Wellness.
- 39:24What we can do in these?
- 39:26You know,
- 39:27distance learning times is that
- 39:29you know we should continue to
- 39:32have frequent conversations and
- 39:35checkins too with the fellows.
- 39:37Or the residents about their well
- 39:40being during the times of remote
- 39:43learning and social distancing.
- 39:45Incorporation of virtual town halls.
- 39:47Happy hour's game nights, you know,
- 39:50or whatever the trainees like and other
- 39:53social interactions that can help trainees,
- 39:55faculty and staff feel connected even
- 39:59when you're physically distanced.
- 40:01And also you know the one good thing is
- 40:04as the as more people get vaccinated.
- 40:07You know,
- 40:07maybe you know we don't need to
- 40:09be as socially distanced,
- 40:11but you know, we'll find out.
- 40:13And also you know it is also a
- 40:16responsibility of a program to
- 40:17ensure that trainees understand
- 40:19how to access local Wellness and
- 40:21mental health resources as needed,
- 40:23per particularly during the time
- 40:25of this increase or uncertainty
- 40:27and anxiety and physical distance
- 40:29from the usual support systems.
- 40:31And you know,
- 40:32there are many evidence based interventions.
- 40:35Some of the ones that I've mentioned as well,
- 40:38you know.
- 40:39But it is also important to really,
- 40:42you know,
- 40:43prioritize something that's basic you know,
- 40:45such as you know,
- 40:47making sure they have food you know,
- 40:50or they're getting enough sleep.
- 40:52They do have protected time off, you know.
- 40:56And then from there to higher
- 40:58order interventions,
- 40:59how a program can implement Wellness.
- 41:02Interactive interventions during
- 41:03you know this year of the pandemic.
- 41:06Like I said, starting from the basics,
- 41:10making sure you know your trainees
- 41:13have either healthy snacks,
- 41:15even vitamins,
- 41:16water access in their common
- 41:18working here yeah,
- 41:20or you know position rooms.
- 41:24Then also making sure and casually
- 41:26checking in on them and doing burnout survey.
- 41:30Or,
- 41:30you know,
- 41:31making sure they have access
- 41:33to a mental health resources,
- 41:36distributing Contacts for campus
- 41:38mental health support as well the
- 41:41insuring you know it does not really
- 41:43apply to Sleep Medicine by ensuring
- 41:46there's a place to sleep and also
- 41:49protecting from unnecessary
- 41:50hours or an on call pages.
- 41:53And then do an intermediate level
- 41:57like a buddy system for peer support,
- 42:01virtual Department,
- 42:03Happy Hour or nonclinical Hangout an.
- 42:07Even at a leadership level,
- 42:10recurring meetings to check in on
- 42:13the fellows debriefing sessions
- 42:15in a safe space also help.
- 42:17And then making sure that you know
- 42:20you're involving the fellows while
- 42:23you're doing the decision-making on
- 42:26policies or collaborating on research
- 42:28and then taking it to a higher level.
- 42:31Like, you know giving.
- 42:33I'm not sure how to do that,
- 42:36but emotional intelligence training.
- 42:39Resilience training or you know how
- 42:42to plan for the next wave an how do
- 42:45we better next time sticking to what's
- 42:48better and making it even better?
- 42:51Incorporating equity,
- 42:52an anti racism teachings into our
- 42:55training curriculum on education
- 42:57of health care disparity and you
- 43:00know making space for what it
- 43:02means to return to normal.
- 43:04You know,
- 43:05some some institutions even have a HIPAA
- 43:08compliant and a socially distance tick tock.
- 43:12You don't,
- 43:13or an Instagram.
- 43:14And to express and they show
- 43:17pictures to express appreciation or
- 43:19gratitude for their team members,
- 43:21which can be a follower of faculty.
- 43:24You know an also other resources
- 43:27that your institutional have
- 43:29the institution had that may be
- 43:32free to available like you know,
- 43:34group, exercise, meditation.
- 43:36Or other gratitude gifts.
- 43:39And also always good to ask for and
- 43:42give feedback that will be relevant.
- 43:45And then Lastly you know,
- 43:47take advantage of Wellness initiatives
- 43:50that are in the community.
- 43:52Last last thing about you know,
- 43:54fellowship that I want to discuss this.
- 43:58You know,
- 43:58while in the time of distance learning,
- 44:02we've also moved to virtual interviewing,
- 44:04you know,
- 44:05and Sleep Medicine actually had a
- 44:07very successful successful fellowship match.
- 44:10And almost the interview season
- 44:12was fully virtual.
- 44:14It had it has a lot of advantages.
- 44:18It had the benefit of limiting
- 44:20COVID-19 exposures and also it
- 44:23lessens the number of last minute
- 44:26cancellations and saves costs for
- 44:28candidates for travel and for programs.
- 44:31And then some of the things that you know.
- 44:36Need to be done to make the virtual
- 44:39interviews more successful would
- 44:40be you know application review and
- 44:43interviewing scheduling workflows
- 44:45that are adaptable and flexible to
- 44:48adjust the upcoming recruitment
- 44:49season and also in preparation
- 44:51for the new terrain.
- 44:53Programs should have been updated on
- 44:56most recent you know data on their
- 44:58website to provide a candidate with
- 45:01current relevant information as
- 45:03programs commit to online interviews
- 45:05and virtual visits for all candidates.
- 45:08They should also anticipate a gradient.
- 45:11Prof. Applicants next year and then.
- 45:16How do they you know,
- 45:18solid solid fire the workflow
- 45:19during the recruitment season?
- 45:21You know how they will have a
- 45:23strategy to review applications
- 45:24and communicating with candidates
- 45:26in a timely manner. You know?
- 45:28So these are some of the things
- 45:30that can do an I want to share the
- 45:33results of the fellowship match
- 45:35trends for Sleep Medicine.
- 45:37As you can see in the last few years.
- 45:422021 had the highest number of
- 45:46matched or filled programs.
- 45:50Over total programs,
- 45:51and then if you go and look at
- 45:54the positions that were offered,
- 45:56the number of programs that
- 45:58filled has been the highest it
- 46:01has been in the last five years.
- 46:03Now this may be because you
- 46:05know people were interviewing
- 46:07virtually and canceling glass.
- 46:08Or maybe there is there has been
- 46:11just a general increase in Sleep
- 46:13Medicine fellowship because,
- 46:15you know, as we've started to
- 46:17implement more telling medicine,
- 46:19some people can just.
- 46:21Kind of work from home, you know?
- 46:25And the last topic of my talk today
- 46:27is the Sleep Medicine milestones,
- 46:30which is a little bit different
- 46:32from what I've been talking about.
- 46:34But you know,
- 46:35I just want to go over it because
- 46:38this is something new and very
- 46:40relevant to our specialty in
- 46:42medical education an you know,
- 46:45as we all know that a CGM ME published
- 46:48the first steep medicine file stones in 2015,
- 46:51but these milestones were the
- 46:53same among all internal medicine.
- 46:55Fellowship programs they were
- 46:58not specific to the specialty,
- 47:00so based on the stakeholder feedback
- 47:03the AC GME called for creation of
- 47:07specialty specific milestones and
- 47:10I'll be outlining those milestone
- 47:13reporting system and how they were
- 47:16created and what it means by harmonized.
- 47:21Milestones,
- 47:22so the six AC GME core competencies
- 47:25are patient care medical education.
- 47:28You know system space practice,
- 47:31practice based learning and improvement,
- 47:34an interpersonal communications
- 47:36and skills communication skills.
- 47:38However,
- 47:38the assessment of the competencies
- 47:41was complicated by differing
- 47:43interpretations to specific competencies
- 47:45and heterogeneity of implementation,
- 47:48so you know they were not generalize.
- 47:52Very general an not a specialty specific,
- 47:55so the ultimate decision was made
- 47:58to write generic sub competencies
- 48:00to be used by all specialties.
- 48:03But the disadvantage was that all
- 48:06sub competencies did not apply
- 48:08to all subspecialties.
- 48:10So as you can see Doctor Weir is one
- 48:13of those people in the working group.
- 48:17So in an effort to bridge the
- 48:20initial AC GME reporting milestones.
- 48:23And Sleep Medicine fellowship
- 48:26training ASM Fellowship Director's
- 48:29Council Steering Committee created
- 48:32the Sleep Medicine specific
- 48:34curriculum milestones map to generic
- 48:37milestones that are I just discussed.
- 48:41An these are the milestones 2.0
- 48:45or the harmonized milestones.
- 48:48So there are 18.
- 48:50Milestones in those six core competencies,
- 48:54and they continue to draw from them,
- 48:57but they are used by each programs
- 49:01Clinical Competency Committee,
- 49:02an by faculty, as well as the trainees.
- 49:07To assess, you know for assessment.
- 49:11Faculty use them to guide development
- 49:14as educators and fellows use them to
- 49:18create individualized learning plans
- 49:20that facilitate self reflection and
- 49:23measurement of individual progress.
- 49:26Compared with national trends.
- 49:28So the harmonized milestones encompassed
- 49:31skills related to patient care,
- 49:34patient centered care delivery,
- 49:36diversity and inclusion.
- 49:38Working within a team structure
- 49:41and navigating.
- 49:42Large,
- 49:43complex health systems and the working group.
- 49:46You know that Doctor Weir is also
- 49:49a member of focused on progressive
- 49:52stages of learner growth.
- 49:54Defining points along the
- 49:56trajectory from a novice learner to
- 49:59an innovator. A leader in
- 50:01the field of Sleep Medicine.
- 50:03And you know, these milestones remain
- 50:06applicable as new technologies are
- 50:08incorporated into Sleep Medicine
- 50:10practice and especially the
- 50:12milestones related to diagnosis
- 50:14and management of sleep disorders.
- 50:16They do not specify on procedures
- 50:19or treatment guidelines because
- 50:21there are so many things that are
- 50:23changing as we move forward the the
- 50:262.0 milestones used the Dreifus and
- 50:29Rafa's five stage of development
- 50:31model of mental activities for skill.
- 50:34Acquisition during the fellowship
- 50:36year so you know,
- 50:38level one is now a nervous instead of.
- 50:44Critical deficiency two and Level
- 50:472 is an advanced beginner and a
- 50:50Level 3 is a competent fellow an
- 50:53for proficient and then to an expert
- 50:57fellow or ready for independent
- 51:00training and then like I said,
- 51:03this is a notable difference from a
- 51:05first set of subspecialty recording
- 51:08milestones,
- 51:09which ranged from critical
- 51:11deficiencies to ready for unsupervised.
- 51:14Practice an aspirational.
- 51:16This paradigm allows fellows in all
- 51:19accredited programs to achieve defined
- 51:22competencies in the management of
- 51:24adult and pediatric sleep disorders
- 51:27within the broader context of health
- 51:30care systems and also the changes kind
- 51:33of highlight a conscious decision to
- 51:36remove negative language such as you know,
- 51:40critical deficiency and implications
- 51:42about fitness for graduation such as.
- 51:45And already for supervised
- 51:47unsupervised practice,
- 51:48in addition,
- 51:49milestones 2.0 include a relative
- 51:52leftward shift of the associated
- 51:54anchors for each sub competency.
- 51:57So like I said, Level 3 is now
- 52:01considered proficient versus Level 4,
- 52:03which is considered ready for
- 52:06unsupervised practice.
- 52:07And as always,
- 52:08this is just a guideline.
- 52:11The determination about a fellow's
- 52:13readiness for graduation lies
- 52:15within the program director.
- 52:18With advisement from the
- 52:20Clinical Evaluation Committee.
- 52:22And then this just kind of
- 52:25brings me to the end of my talk.
- 52:29You know,
- 52:30I wanna say innovation stem from necessity,
- 52:34exploring deli sleep services
- 52:36among academics, Sleep Medicine,
- 52:38fellowship programs.
- 52:39It is an important and timely topic,
- 52:42especially as the field tries to
- 52:45understand how telehealth can best be
- 52:48utilized to enhance and expand patient care.
- 52:52An also.
- 52:52You know,
- 52:53with the net dude in a national recent
- 52:56survey of Sleep Medicine program,
- 52:59directores,
- 53:00while the program Directores agreed
- 53:02that Sleep Medicine training is
- 53:04important and should be incorporated
- 53:06into fellowship curriculum,
- 53:08there is a dearth of specific guidance.
- 53:11An concrete steps are vague
- 53:13and not actively pursued.
- 53:15So you know this is something you
- 53:18know the inconsistency is discerning
- 53:20and you know difficult to explain.
- 53:22So the solution is.
- 53:24And you know it leaves us to do things.
- 53:28And how do we improve?
- 53:30Embrace Sleep Medicine and
- 53:32effectively educate?
- 53:32Are the next generation of physicians
- 53:35you know are very hardworking
- 53:37fellows and trainees to be prepared
- 53:40for the needs of the community.
- 53:43And these are my references
- 53:45and I think I finished on time.
- 53:53Hi. Can everybody hear me?
- 54:00Yes, we can hear you OK. Alright.
- 54:05Happy to take any comments
- 54:07or questions anybody has.
- 54:12Thank you hear that was such a wonderful
- 54:15overview for all of us medical educators.
- 54:18Just really fantastic. Thank you.
- 54:23We can open it up to questions
- 54:26we have about 5 minutes.
- 54:28If anyone would like to
- 54:30know sure, sure this this is Brian,
- 54:33so I have a comment.
- 54:35I think a question so here, thanks for.
- 54:39For the overview and you know I just wanted
- 54:43to make a comment from my perspective, yeah,
- 54:46and sort of encouraged this idea of really
- 54:48adapting to this technological innovation,
- 54:51so I also see patients in a geriatric
- 54:54clinic and I think that is a place
- 54:57where the virtual visit has been very
- 55:00problematic for a lot of reasons.
- 55:02I mean, you know, even if people can
- 55:05sort of get the necessary technology
- 55:07even communicating with them by video.
- 55:10Can be challenging.
- 55:13Whereas you know my experience
- 55:14in the Sleep clinic is wow,
- 55:16this seems like the perfect
- 55:18place to do these visits.
- 55:19You know, it seems like a very sort of.
- 55:24You know it's just a perfect place to
- 55:26adapt this technology, so I wonder,
- 55:28you know you kind of mentioned what
- 55:30are some things that we can sort of
- 55:32take advantage with a video visit?
- 55:33You sort of said,
- 55:34you know, we can do vitals.
- 55:36We can sort of find ways to
- 55:38look in people's Airways.
- 55:39You know we can adapt that way.
- 55:41One of the things I think about
- 55:43in geriatrics is, you know,
- 55:44I can actually at you know it may
- 55:46not have the patient in front of me,
- 55:49but I can look at their living
- 55:51in the environment.
- 55:51And that's a big advantage.
- 55:53So I'm wondering what you
- 55:54think people should.
- 55:55Take advantage of that.
- 55:56They can otherwise get when the
- 55:58when the people are sort of,
- 56:00you know in the clinic with us and
- 56:02I'm wondering from your perspective
- 56:04or maybe some of the other trainings
- 56:07like what you know what is going to?
- 56:09What do you guys need from your
- 56:11training from us?
- 56:12What?
- 56:12What are some of the things we can do
- 56:15to make this experience better for you?
- 56:19You know? I'm I'm by no means an expert.
- 56:23I'm gonna try my best
- 56:25to answer that question.
- 56:26But you know, I I.
- 56:28I think if someone is good with technology,
- 56:31you know it could be a young patient,
- 56:33an old patient in, you know.
- 56:35And one thing I really enjoyed about
- 56:37virtual learning was, you know,
- 56:39when I would share the screen with patients
- 56:42and go over this sleep study results.
- 56:44You know, I saw how engaged they were.
- 56:47You know, I can never really kind of,
- 56:49you know, reproduce that effect when
- 56:51they're in person for some reason.
- 56:53Even when I'm showing them so,
- 56:56I I thought they seemed more engaged.
- 56:58You know more comfortable to ask
- 57:00questions about certain things because
- 57:02you know they would sometimes look up
- 57:05stuff while they're speaking with us.
- 57:07I wonder if that was the thing, and you know.
- 57:10Also, we have some patients you know
- 57:13who can't drive, you know, like I,
- 57:15I used to see a patient who is legally blind,
- 57:19but I could see them virtually because,
- 57:21you know, it would essentially eliminate.
- 57:24Their need for, you know,
- 57:25getting a bus or a cab to come see me.
- 57:28All they needed was an iPad to speak with me.
- 57:31So I think those were those are some of
- 57:34the things that I really find you know
- 57:36about virtual visits really helpful.
- 57:56Set an alarm. I had a quick question so so
- 58:01Doctor here are you sort of had a lot of
- 58:04your training in pre covid environment,
- 58:07pulmonary and critical care fellow.
- 58:08And now you know is asleep fellow.
- 58:11You know you're dealing more with
- 58:13the virtual environment in terms of
- 58:15learning so you know what things.
- 58:16Let's just assume that this
- 58:18is going to happen.
- 58:19Let's say essentially Kobid goes away.
- 58:21Let's all wish for the best.
- 58:23What things do you think
- 58:25will stick with things?
- 58:26Do you think or do better in there?
- 58:29Virtual format or what things do
- 58:31better in the in person format
- 58:33in terms of medical education.
- 58:35From your perspective,
- 58:36I think what certainly does
- 58:37better is that you know this cross
- 58:40institutional collaboration.
- 58:41We've had way more opportunities this
- 58:43year than any of the years before.
- 58:45I think combined some things that
- 58:47do really poorly is the Wellness.
- 58:49I think virtual Wellness.
- 58:51I'm not sure if that really works out.
- 58:53You can always have a you know
- 58:56team building activity virtually,
- 58:57but it's not the same.
- 59:00So I think you know virtual
- 59:02learning is there to stay.
- 59:03You know, if you have a way
- 59:06to engage audience,
- 59:07you know if this is a very advanced
- 59:10educator and they can get the audience to,
- 59:13you know, stay interactive and engage.
- 59:15That's a really really good thing.
- 59:17And you know.
- 59:18But I think Val being is one
- 59:20thing where I think we can do
- 59:23really well socially distanced.
- 59:28Great, well thank you. Thanks
- 59:30again and next week we're going to
- 59:33continue our string of these
- 59:34fantastic fellow talks.
- 59:35One of our yell sleep photos,
- 59:38Yvonne Chu is going to be speaking
- 59:40about the link between PCOS an OSA.
- 59:43So please join us for that,
- 59:45then have a great
- 59:47week everybody. Thank you.