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The Art of Medicine with Irwin Braverman, MD '55

June 24, 2021
  • 00:00OK. Well, welcome to this
  • 00:03workshop and observation.
  • 00:05ULL skills I'm ruined.
  • 00:07Braverman class of 55 and marriage
  • 00:09professor dermatology and so I'm
  • 00:12inviting you to participate in an
  • 00:15educational activity that's been
  • 00:17required for first year medical students
  • 00:20here at yelled for the last 22 years.
  • 00:24And basically in medical education
  • 00:27we want all of our students to
  • 00:31become doctors with the skills of.
  • 00:35Of Sherlock Holmes and in in since
  • 00:38resting that we have never taught
  • 00:41medical students how to use observation
  • 00:44ull skills to figure out what's going
  • 00:48on when they're looking at a patient.
  • 00:53In my day we used to call it inspection.
  • 00:57And nowadays being called
  • 00:59observation or observation,
  • 01:00ull skills and it's interesting
  • 01:02what we've we have been taught.
  • 01:05True beginning of time is that
  • 01:08you carefully look at the patient.
  • 01:11And then we would say,
  • 01:13and we would then tell you what to look
  • 01:16for the specific signs to look for
  • 01:19both in general and in specific diseases.
  • 01:23And then you were supposed to remember
  • 01:26those things the next time you saw them.
  • 01:29Then you would recognize and act on them.
  • 01:32Well,
  • 01:32we have never taught anyone,
  • 01:35apparently,
  • 01:35is how you actually go about
  • 01:37looking at something you've not seen
  • 01:40before and visually analyze it.
  • 01:42They come up with the correct
  • 01:44conclusion or diagnosis,
  • 01:45and so that's how this whole program
  • 01:48got started. As a matter of fact.
  • 01:52And for years I've been teaching
  • 01:54dermatology and I've been telling
  • 01:56students how you go about evaluating
  • 01:58a skin rash and the steps you take.
  • 02:01And after all these years,
  • 02:03maybe they've been a half a dozen
  • 02:06have figured out how to do it.
  • 02:08Everyone else has ended up just
  • 02:11memorizing what I would show them.
  • 02:13So if I show them interesting cases
  • 02:15and show them subtle features,
  • 02:17they would memorize those features.
  • 02:19But no one ever sat down to figure out.
  • 02:23How does he do that?
  • 02:25Well,
  • 02:25I think this exercise that we've been
  • 02:28doing for the last 22 years is the
  • 02:31way to instruct students and how to do it.
  • 02:34And So what we've done is we've
  • 02:37gone to the old Center for British
  • 02:39art and we have been using a 17th
  • 02:43to 19th century paintings.
  • 02:44These are narrative paintings
  • 02:46that tell a story,
  • 02:47but the story they tell has a lot
  • 02:51of contradictions within it and so.
  • 02:53They behave like patients.
  • 02:54They are surrogate for patients.
  • 02:56So what I'm going to do is we're
  • 02:58going to try to go through two
  • 03:01paintings and I'm going to put
  • 03:03up the painting as a whole and
  • 03:05give you a minute to look at it.
  • 03:08And then I will show you portions of
  • 03:12that painting afterwards, magnified.
  • 03:15Each for a minute and at the end
  • 03:18of this five or six minutes,
  • 03:20I'm going to ask you guys to tell me
  • 03:23what you see and and the idea is,
  • 03:26you're answering the questions of who,
  • 03:28what, when, where, and why.
  • 03:30That's basically what you're asking.
  • 03:32Who is in it?
  • 03:33What are they doing geographically?
  • 03:35Location wise? Where is it?
  • 03:37What time of day or season is it?
  • 03:40And what do you think is
  • 03:42really going on here?
  • 03:43So the first thing is to tell me.
  • 03:46What you actually see and I
  • 03:50will use my my mouse too.
  • 03:54Point out certain things on these
  • 03:57paintings to help you as we go along.
  • 04:00Although this exercise was originally
  • 04:02conceived to help with observation,
  • 04:04ull skills,
  • 04:05it turned out that a major benefit
  • 04:08of this that we had not anticipated
  • 04:11nor had planned for was the students
  • 04:14told us that what they really will
  • 04:16learning was how they made decisions,
  • 04:19how they came to decisions.
  • 04:21Then they realized that they were
  • 04:23coming to decisions based on inadequate
  • 04:25information or incomplete information,
  • 04:27and what they really had to do.
  • 04:30Let's look at it.
  • 04:32Come to a tentative decision,
  • 04:34then go back and look more For more
  • 04:37information to help support or deny it,
  • 04:40and eventually reiteration in this way,
  • 04:42they finally came to the right conclusion.
  • 04:45So that's that was really,
  • 04:47that's really the bit of
  • 04:49the benefit of this program,
  • 04:50OK?
  • 04:53Sounds like you have an echo.
  • 04:57OK, so we'll get started.
  • 05:01Anne. This is the first.
  • 05:07Painting, so I'll give you a
  • 05:09minute to look at this carefully.
  • 05:12Who, when, where and why?
  • 07:57That means they want.
  • 09:49OK. So who would like to come?
  • 09:55Tell me what they see.
  • 10:00Harold. Have done we unmute yourself OK.
  • 10:05Well, what I'm saying is what I
  • 10:07think is a wealthy individual just
  • 10:10judging from the shirt and the and
  • 10:13the stockings and the waistcoat.
  • 10:16He's in an attic. With overlooking and,
  • 10:20I get that from the dormer
  • 10:22in the in the arch ceiling.
  • 10:24He's overlooking a city,
  • 10:25which I would I'm gonna guess his London
  • 10:29with Saint Paul's in the background.
  • 10:31He's dead, my guess is he tore
  • 10:34up a letter from someone.
  • 10:37There's a vial on the floor so
  • 10:39it would suggest an overdose,
  • 10:40but I don't know what's in his right hand.
  • 10:43Whether that's a syringe or a dagger,
  • 10:45you I know it's you, there's a.
  • 10:48Blemish on his chest,
  • 10:49but it's not blood stain so I'm not sure
  • 10:52what that is and there's a funny dimple.
  • 10:55But just to the left,
  • 10:57there to the center of his
  • 10:59left sternocleidomastoid.
  • 10:59But I don't know what that is.
  • 11:04You pointed out the wilting
  • 11:05petals on the Rose. Does that
  • 11:07mean that it needs to be watered?
  • 11:10He's been in devil long time.
  • 11:14OK, so So what you've done
  • 11:16is you describe some things,
  • 11:18but you have already come to a
  • 11:22conclusion that he's dead so.
  • 11:24What basis for your thinking
  • 11:26that he's dead his color?
  • 11:30OK, there's a color anything else.
  • 11:38So when you look at him, he's lying on a bed.
  • 11:43OK, but what about this posture on the bed?
  • 11:48It doesn't look comfortable
  • 11:50out OK, why is it not
  • 11:52comfortable just the way the
  • 11:53arm and hand are hanging? I don't
  • 11:56think when we sleep that way, OK,
  • 11:58but what else?
  • 12:05You're on the right track,
  • 12:06but what is there about his posture
  • 12:09that really makes it uncomfortable?
  • 12:11Is this a normal posture in any
  • 12:14way though? So once this guy he's
  • 12:17I mean he's hanging over the edge.
  • 12:20I mean, I suppose if one
  • 12:22were deeply intoxicated,
  • 12:23posture wouldn't matter.
  • 12:26The only thing that would go
  • 12:29against being dead is the left
  • 12:31hand seems to be holding his shirt.
  • 12:34Which is sort of interesting.
  • 12:39But I don't know it. It just looks
  • 12:41like it just I was going by this
  • 12:44color more than anything else.
  • 12:46OK but but so alright.
  • 12:47So there are several things here will
  • 12:51come back to the party in a second.
  • 12:54But you said this is he's in the attic.
  • 12:59Right, OK, and the reason you
  • 13:01said he's in the attic 'cause?
  • 13:05There there are dormers, looks like
  • 13:07a a pitched roof and then you're
  • 13:10looking out high over the rooftops in
  • 13:12the city right? OK so. That's right so.
  • 13:16But we when we do this now,
  • 13:19we have first year medical students
  • 13:22who don't know anything about medicine.
  • 13:25Zilch, clinical medicine.
  • 13:26One of the things we can teach them,
  • 13:29though, is something about what is.
  • 13:33The concept of differential diagnosis.
  • 13:35So the question here.
  • 13:37So the question here is,
  • 13:39could this possibly be in any
  • 13:41other room in this House? Is that?
  • 13:45Is it possible that it is the attic?
  • 13:47The only place would give you this view.
  • 13:52Penthouse anyone, how could you
  • 13:57get this view of the window?
  • 14:00If you weren't on the in the attic.
  • 14:05Anybody?
  • 14:09Maybe it could be on a lower floor,
  • 14:12but if the house was up on
  • 14:14a hill and it's looking out
  • 14:17in distance X absolutely right.
  • 14:18OK, we now have a differential
  • 14:21diagnosis for the medical students.
  • 14:23If this is on a hill looking out,
  • 14:26you could be in the bottom of the
  • 14:28house and see this same view.
  • 14:30So now what tests do we apply
  • 14:33to make to decide which it is?
  • 14:36We have a differential diagnosis on
  • 14:38a hill in the lower room or it's in
  • 14:41the addict looking out what is there
  • 14:44in this painting that what's the test
  • 14:46that tells you which is the correct answer?
  • 14:49Which is a correct conclusion?
  • 14:53Well, it's a dormer Witchblade,
  • 14:56yes, right exactly.
  • 14:59Exactly, so it's this coming down the
  • 15:02walls coming down tells you you're
  • 15:04in the dormer or in the attic and
  • 15:07that's that's to try to give you.
  • 15:10Give a student a concrete example
  • 15:12of what a differential diagnosis is,
  • 15:15'cause both are possible and what
  • 15:17test are you going to obtain that will
  • 15:21help you distinguish between the two?
  • 15:24And it's a simple.
  • 15:25This is a simple, you know,
  • 15:28in a kind of example,
  • 15:30but it's a concrete example that I
  • 15:32think helps some students understand
  • 15:34what a differential diagnosis is,
  • 15:36because they really haven't
  • 15:38had that concept yet.
  • 15:40OK, So what are the things so
  • 15:42anyone else want to comment on?
  • 15:45The way this fellow is lying on the bed?
  • 15:50The shoulders and hips are 90 degrees apart.
  • 15:54So the shoulders have a flat on the bed.
  • 16:03How how is he actually resting?
  • 16:04How would you describe the
  • 16:06way he's resting on the bed?
  • 16:10The fact that he's lying on his side,
  • 16:14yeah. He's alive, but unconscious
  • 16:19or asleep or intoxicated. OK,
  • 16:23he's lying on his hips, right?
  • 16:27Yes. But his back is almost
  • 16:30flying flat on his back.
  • 16:32His upper back is almost flat on the bed,
  • 16:35isn't it? Right, so this is a
  • 16:38terrible twist that you would have.
  • 16:40Your body would have to make.
  • 16:43And so you wouldn't sleep that way.
  • 16:46You could only end up this way,
  • 16:48I suppose if you were
  • 16:51really comatose or dead.
  • 16:53So I mean is this you have normal posture
  • 16:55that tells you that he's not asleep.
  • 16:58It's something more than asleep,
  • 17:00so you now wondering,
  • 17:01is he dead or comatose or what have you?
  • 17:04So now you're going to look for other
  • 17:07things in this painting to help you.
  • 17:09And what else do you see here?
  • 17:13The signal suggests what's going on.
  • 17:18And there's the vial on the floor.
  • 17:20And then I'm assuming is OK. Well,
  • 17:24I don't know what's in his right hand.
  • 17:27I think it is hard to tell, maybe paper.
  • 17:30Actually, so there's a vial here,
  • 17:33but there's no.
  • 17:34I don't think there's a stopper or
  • 17:37anything or cook any that I can see,
  • 17:39but there's a vial that I think may be empty.
  • 17:43What else is it?
  • 17:44What else do you see in this in
  • 17:47this painting that helps you
  • 17:49with the status of this guy?
  • 17:53It's a very uncomfortable position.
  • 17:55Part of his head is overhanging
  • 17:57the edge of the bed. Yeah.
  • 18:02OK, an and he and the color of his face is
  • 18:06really great as you see here.
  • 18:08So I certainly look cyanotic,
  • 18:10but what else is there in this
  • 18:12picture that the artist is put in?
  • 18:15To tell you that this guy
  • 18:18is dead or about to die.
  • 18:21What is the blemish on his
  • 18:23chest and his neck? Well, if
  • 18:25you look over here, oh this is
  • 18:29just the. Hollow space of the.
  • 18:35I think it's meant to
  • 18:36be super sternal notch.
  • 18:39Yes, 2% loss is a three linear
  • 18:41red lines that he scratches
  • 18:43that he has here in his chest.
  • 18:46But what do you see over here?
  • 18:52Rose losing its petals? Yeah,
  • 18:53it is a rose that is drooping and you
  • 18:57can see one of the petals falling.
  • 19:01OK, and then what do you see over here?
  • 19:05So the candle is burnt
  • 19:07out at the candle is burned out
  • 19:10and and what's above the candle.
  • 19:16Smoke smoke.
  • 19:17OK, so the candle is burnt out
  • 19:21and there's smoke just burnt out.
  • 19:24So this residual smoke so.
  • 19:28So the window whoops.
  • 19:31The window is open, right?
  • 19:35So did a breeze come in
  • 19:36and blow out the candle?
  • 19:42No, the breeze is going the
  • 19:44wrong direction. Had that
  • 19:45it's going in the wrong direction, right?
  • 19:48So. So that doesn't make sense that the
  • 19:52window that the wind would come in a
  • 19:54breeze would come in and blow it out.
  • 19:58OK. One more thing, there's a chest over
  • 20:02here, and there's a lot of torn paper.
  • 20:07So we can, when you look at the
  • 20:10room in general, would you say this
  • 20:14is Model 6 or the Waldorf Astoria?
  • 20:32You think this is a fancy
  • 20:34hotel or just a grubby attic?
  • 20:39It's just extremely early. Yeah, OK.
  • 20:44I mean there are no sheets,
  • 20:47although he's dressed seems to be
  • 20:49dressed well. OK, so.
  • 20:52So the watch thing. What is it?
  • 20:58When you look at this
  • 21:00picture painting as a whole,
  • 21:02is there anything that strikes
  • 21:04you as being either out of
  • 21:06place or something that just
  • 21:08strikes you as you didn't expect
  • 21:10to see in this painting?
  • 21:16Is there anything that
  • 21:17strikes you about it that's?
  • 21:21Then when you look at this
  • 21:23first thing you notice.
  • 21:25Well, he looks better.
  • 21:27Off that is surrounded.
  • 21:30It was my impression.
  • 21:32Just in terms of his clothes versus.
  • 21:35OK, so when you look
  • 21:37at his clothes and look at
  • 21:39the rest of the painting,
  • 21:41is there anything that strikes you?
  • 21:49When you look at the color here. And here.
  • 21:58And then you see this.
  • 22:08In general, you know this is a painting.
  • 22:11That sort of muted.
  • 22:12It's sort of brown colors, etc.
  • 22:14But there's only one color,
  • 22:16and that's his pants.
  • 22:20What color are his trousers?
  • 22:27Purple. OK, so if everything else
  • 22:31The thing is sort of this dull
  • 22:34brown color in the only bright
  • 22:37color is a purple pair of pants.
  • 22:40There must be a reason
  • 22:41why the artist did that.
  • 22:46Or get a red coat red jacket.
  • 22:49He has a red jacket but but
  • 22:52but the emphasis is here.
  • 22:54The purple pants. I'm. OK.
  • 23:02So the smoke going out the window.
  • 23:05Kim is symbolic of someone who's dying,
  • 23:08that's their soul going out the window.
  • 23:12And the and the Rose is always
  • 23:15been a symbol for life.
  • 23:16So if the roses drooping
  • 23:18affect was a falling off,
  • 23:20this guy is not doing well.
  • 23:23And then there is this scratching
  • 23:25when he opens up his chest.
  • 23:29The violin, the floor.
  • 23:35Anne Anne Anne.
  • 23:37He's in a Garret and there's full.
  • 23:41You know a poor place to live
  • 23:43and he has all this torn paper.
  • 23:47An on the on the table there was a letter,
  • 23:50the paper and a pen. OK,
  • 23:53so this is called the death of Chatterton.
  • 23:59Anne is a true story,
  • 24:01and so Chatterton was a young boy who,
  • 24:04at the age of 30, well,
  • 24:07he lived in a village in
  • 24:10England and his father.
  • 24:12Was the sextant at a nearby church?
  • 24:16And this church dated
  • 24:17back to the 15th century.
  • 24:21The church was now moving to
  • 24:23a new place in the village,
  • 24:26and the folks in the church had taken
  • 24:29all the valuables out and moved it
  • 24:33to the new location and they told.
  • 24:36Everyone in the town that they could
  • 24:39come in and take whatever was left,
  • 24:42and his father recognized that something
  • 24:45that was very valuable was parchment.
  • 24:49And so he brought the kid home.
  • 24:52This is Chester Patrin,
  • 24:53which is very valuable.
  • 24:55The young boy wrote poetry
  • 24:57and he began writing poetry.
  • 24:59And he at the age of like 15 or 16
  • 25:03decides that he's going to sell his
  • 25:06poetry because it's on parchment.
  • 25:09From the 15th century he's going to
  • 25:12sell it as poetry written by a priest
  • 25:15who lived who worked in that church.
  • 25:19At that time, years ago, and so he went to.
  • 25:24Big editor in in London who threw him out
  • 25:27of the office but he got to Robert Walpole,
  • 25:31I mean rather.
  • 25:32Horace Walpole,
  • 25:33who was the son of Robert Walpole,
  • 25:35the Prime Minister of England
  • 25:37at the time in Horace Walpole,
  • 25:39was going to give him money
  • 25:41for these for this poetry.
  • 25:43But a friend of hers told him,
  • 25:46I think there's something
  • 25:47suspicious going on.
  • 25:49Don't do it,
  • 25:50and eventually he gave the all
  • 25:52the poetry back to this kid.
  • 25:55At the age of 16 this kid was
  • 25:58apprenticed to be a lawyer.
  • 26:00Didn't like that and he got out
  • 26:02of that and he went to London
  • 26:04and he wrote as a freelancer for
  • 26:07some magazines and newspapers.
  • 26:09But at the age of 17 1/2 so
  • 26:11this is the late 1700s.
  • 26:14He wasn't really doing well
  • 26:15and he committed suicide.
  • 26:21In the early 1800s, like 1830 or so,
  • 26:25the romantic poets.
  • 26:28Shelley and those other guys found
  • 26:31his poetry and loved it because
  • 26:34he was writing it in in the style
  • 26:37of the feelings that that Shelly
  • 26:39and the others wrote their poetry.
  • 26:42And So what they did was they puffed him
  • 26:46up and essentially said he was a genius,
  • 26:50a poet, and the public,
  • 26:52and they didn't recognize him
  • 26:54an he decided and he died.
  • 26:57A poetic modders death essentially.
  • 27:00So at that time this artist,
  • 27:02Wallace was commissioned to make
  • 27:05a painting of this whole event,
  • 27:07because this guy was now a big figure
  • 27:11and this was going to celebrate his life.
  • 27:15That was appreciated by no one and so.
  • 27:22This position that he's lying in.
  • 27:24If you then tilt the move tilt this.
  • 27:30180 degree, 90 degrees or 45 degrees.
  • 27:34This now looks like what?
  • 27:43Crucifixion, yeah,
  • 27:44so that's why the purple pants,
  • 27:47the purple is signified.
  • 27:49This is a very important figure.
  • 27:52That has been sacrificed by the public.
  • 27:54So so if you tilt it this way,
  • 27:57it looks like crucifixion.
  • 27:58Now if he his hand was stuck out this way,
  • 28:01it would be a dead giveaway and
  • 28:03that's no fun in a painting.
  • 28:05And in this way it looks like the PA TA.
  • 28:08So when you look at this position here.
  • 28:12Wallace, it really looks like this.
  • 28:14Peeta and the Michelangelo, Peeta,
  • 28:16and this was like a crucifixion.
  • 28:20So that that was the purpose of the painting.
  • 28:24To celebrate this guy who nobody recognized.
  • 28:27Now the story doesn't end there
  • 28:29because two things happened.
  • 28:31Nobody knows what Thomas
  • 28:32Chatterton looked like,
  • 28:34but they know where he died.
  • 28:36So this Garrett, this attic that you see.
  • 28:40Is exactly where he where this all
  • 28:42took place and he they don't know.
  • 28:44Maybe took us Nick is not clear what he took.
  • 28:48But what else happened was
  • 28:51that the editor at Kent,
  • 28:54University of Cambridge,
  • 28:55Cambridge University,
  • 28:56initially saw this post poetry
  • 29:00and published it.
  • 29:02And that was really quite good.
  • 29:04And then it came time for second
  • 29:06addition or a second printing in the
  • 29:09editor suddenly realized he'd been
  • 29:12duped because he suddenly realized
  • 29:14that with this fellow had done,
  • 29:16he had gotten a trust Syrian dictionary.
  • 29:21And use those words,
  • 29:22but the syntax and grammar was that of the
  • 29:2618th century was not of the 15th century,
  • 29:29and then he noticed that the
  • 29:32treasury and words that he used
  • 29:35didn't go beyond the letter M.
  • 29:38So in the second printing he had a
  • 29:41mea culpa that he had been duped.
  • 29:45So that's what this kid had done,
  • 29:49and nevertheless.
  • 29:52The powers really loved him.
  • 29:54Shelly and Byron and the others
  • 29:56really loved him and puffed
  • 29:58him up and the final straw was.
  • 30:00And since nobody knows,
  • 30:02nobody knew would shattered and look like.
  • 30:05Wallace asked his friend,
  • 30:07George Meredith,
  • 30:08who was a very famous poet at that
  • 30:12time in England in the eight in
  • 30:15the 19th century to pose for this.
  • 30:19So this is a picture of George
  • 30:22Meredith with his flaming red hair.
  • 30:25And then Wallace rewarded Meredith
  • 30:28for doing this by recording his wife,
  • 30:31courting Ameritas wife,
  • 30:33and running off with her.
  • 30:35And they get it.
  • 30:37Got married six months later.
  • 30:39And we know this is the story because
  • 30:43this is what I think they had a
  • 30:46child and this is what the story was.
  • 30:50So the point of this was using this
  • 30:53painting was to make you realize that
  • 30:56the posture is totally abnormally notes.
  • 30:58So this isn't how someone sleeps.
  • 31:01There's a vial to help you.
  • 31:04There's a symbols of the Rose.
  • 31:06And the smoke going out.
  • 31:08And finally the purple pans dryer
  • 31:11attention that this is a very
  • 31:13important figure in you know what?
  • 31:16What is an important figure doing
  • 31:18in a rundown place like this?
  • 31:23So that's a story about 1:00.
  • 31:25So let's go to another one a little
  • 31:28bit more complicated. This one here.
  • 31:31It's called the Gore family.
  • 31:36And go ahead and look at it,
  • 31:38and we'll do the same with this one.
  • 34:56Cave. So who would like to take this one on?
  • 35:18Who would like to do this?
  • 35:23I got a couple of bits and pieces OK.
  • 35:28I can't make out all the allegory's
  • 35:31in the painting and what they
  • 35:33have to do with with the people.
  • 35:35I mean I, I see 3 muses.
  • 35:38Well, there's is it.
  • 35:40Hercules in the Medusa don't know
  • 35:42who the ones in the water are.
  • 35:45Looking at the scenery in the background,
  • 35:48my guess is it's Tuscany.
  • 35:50'cause you're angry.
  • 35:52Cypress OK,
  • 35:55so why do you say Tuscany?
  • 35:58Because of the Cypress and then
  • 36:00there's a couple of towered buildings
  • 36:03back there. These here.
  • 36:05Yeah, OK, what is this anyway?
  • 36:12Further walled city looks like aqueducts,
  • 36:15right? Yes in aqueduct. Oh
  • 36:18OK. I OK I. I thought it was a walled city,
  • 36:22like Joanie or something. That's OK.
  • 36:25I want you to. I will tell you that.
  • 36:29Embarrassed to tell you this that
  • 36:31when we show this to the students,
  • 36:34most of the most of them have never,
  • 36:37never have either heard of an aqueduct
  • 36:40or recognize it as an aqueduct.
  • 36:42That really got me. Well, they didn't.
  • 36:44They finally I said,
  • 36:46what's an arch bridge and finally
  • 36:48got someone to say aqueducts,
  • 36:50but anyway, so there's
  • 36:51gotta be southern France. Probably OK, so
  • 36:54that makes it very specific.
  • 36:56But in the in a general way,
  • 36:58if you're seeing an aqueduct that.
  • 37:00Most likely in some Roman province
  • 37:03and then the hills suggests that
  • 37:06it could be southern France.
  • 37:08You know Italy, but what's going on?
  • 37:12What's this thing here?
  • 37:14It's it's grapes, said Arbor.
  • 37:17Yes, any and you see the
  • 37:20grapes right here. OK, I
  • 37:22know you pointed out of mouse and
  • 37:25then the other thing I saw was.
  • 37:28It appears that he's wearing I would guess,
  • 37:31and I'm saying some sort of uniform
  • 37:33because of the stripes and there's
  • 37:35and the drawing has chips on it,
  • 37:38so I'm guessing. Right Navy OK,
  • 37:41right? So so
  • 37:42those talk about the people
  • 37:45here in the foreground.
  • 37:49Well, how many people are
  • 37:51there and what are they doing?
  • 38:03Play a kid instrument. I don't
  • 38:05know what that is, whether it's a
  • 38:07you know the forerunner of pianos.
  • 38:10And cello. And she's not looking
  • 38:14at the music he is. Wow, good
  • 38:17right? She, he's looking at the music.
  • 38:19She's not looking at the music but
  • 38:22you also said he's playing a cello.
  • 38:25But is it a cello?
  • 38:30So awful big yeah. Well, there's no,
  • 38:34there's no tooth on the bottom haha.
  • 38:36So there's no tooth on the bottom,
  • 38:39so we can't call it a cello.
  • 38:41So this is the predecessor to the cello,
  • 38:44and it's called the Viola da gamba.
  • 38:47OK OK so So what what you know?
  • 38:51For the purpose of this exercise, yes.
  • 38:54Everyone's also most almost everyone
  • 38:56would say this is a cello because
  • 38:59they assume that there's a peg here.
  • 39:02There's a coming down.
  • 39:04An if they looked at it more
  • 39:07closely and realize that it wasn't,
  • 39:09then they might not know that there
  • 39:12was a predecessor to the cello.
  • 39:14Or maybe cellos come this way,
  • 39:16but it should raise some sort of a question
  • 39:20in their mind that this isn't the usual
  • 39:23cello that I see they know about anyway.
  • 39:27It's a minor point,
  • 39:28but it is trying to focus people on the.
  • 39:32On the subtle features that are
  • 39:35present in your environment.
  • 39:37OK, so.
  • 39:38There are four women here, right?
  • 39:43And so.
  • 39:44There are three daughters and one mother.
  • 39:49So who are the daughters
  • 39:50and who is the mother?
  • 39:56I'm gonna guess the mother
  • 39:57is the one on the far right
  • 39:59wearing a cap for some reason,
  • 40:01whereas the daughters have these
  • 40:02other things in their hair.
  • 40:04OK, and that's the correct answer
  • 40:07because married women wore caps
  • 40:10and unmarried women did not.
  • 40:13OK, so let's take these two So what?
  • 40:16What's the action going on here?
  • 40:25Reading and writing. Well, well aniki
  • 40:29be more specific than that. Well,
  • 40:32the daughter has a pen or pencil in her hand.
  • 40:35Yes Ann. What is she doing?
  • 40:39She's looking beyond her mother.
  • 40:42She's looking at her mother for
  • 40:44beyond her. Maybe she's drawing.
  • 40:50What it what is she doing with her left hand?
  • 40:58Old and mature. Yeah, you get the
  • 41:02left hand on the back of the chair.
  • 41:04But the chair. How is it?
  • 41:08How is the mother sitting on the chair?
  • 41:12Awkwardly. On the inside.
  • 41:17And what is the mother doing?
  • 41:19Staring something yeah.
  • 41:21Who is she staring at?
  • 41:23Don't know yet you do. Us, yes,
  • 41:28he's looking at us.
  • 41:29The mother is the mother is looking at us.
  • 41:33The daughter of is, you know,
  • 41:35has her arm behind the mother supporting
  • 41:37her back or chairs and she has a pencil
  • 41:40and the mother may be saying something
  • 41:42and she's going to write it down.
  • 41:45It looks like the daughter is
  • 41:47waiting for some sort of response.
  • 41:49The mother though is looking at us.
  • 41:52The weather all these funny looking
  • 41:54people doing looking at us.
  • 41:56OK, and you talk about the
  • 41:59father as looking at the at the.
  • 42:02Music the daughter is not.
  • 42:03She knows the music so she
  • 42:05can play and look that way.
  • 42:06But what is this daughter doing?
  • 42:11She's looking at whatever the other
  • 42:12daughter is looking at somewhere over
  • 42:14to the left side of the picture.
  • 42:19OK, but what else is she doing?
  • 42:24Flipping the pages for the
  • 42:25other system, what does
  • 42:26she have in her hand? Turning in music.
  • 42:31Yeah, but she's not turning the pages, she's
  • 42:34just holding it haha.
  • 42:35Very good because the first response
  • 42:37usually is that she's turning the
  • 42:39pages when you look very carefully,
  • 42:41she's actually holding the music.
  • 42:44So she may have been singing,
  • 42:46but she has her own set of music.
  • 42:49Anna's she's not turning these
  • 42:50pages 'cause the page has just
  • 42:53been turned over here, OK?
  • 42:57On with the with the expression on her face.
  • 43:00What does that expression on her
  • 43:03face suggest to you? But she's doing.
  • 43:13Thinker or board, yes, or
  • 43:15looking off into space or something. OK,
  • 43:18so we have this guy here dressed in green.
  • 43:22You will respond in looking fellow
  • 43:25with a wig. What is he doing?
  • 43:29He's looking at her, but she doesn't want to
  • 43:32look at him, right?
  • 43:33So she's really he's looking at her.
  • 43:35And what about his posture? Well,
  • 43:37how would you describe his posture?
  • 43:47Well, you know how is he standing?
  • 43:50What, what do you
  • 43:51actually say? Relax,
  • 43:52he's leaning on the chair not
  • 43:55showing right?
  • 43:55Yeah, he's got his feet crossed,
  • 43:57his ankles crossed.
  • 43:59He's relaxing, he's nonchalant.
  • 44:00He's looking at her.
  • 44:01She's looking elsewhere.
  • 44:04We got taken care of the medical
  • 44:07of the the musical instrument.
  • 44:10Players were gonna get to this in a second.
  • 44:14There is a watercolor here of some boats.
  • 44:18We place this in some Roman
  • 44:20province with the hills.
  • 44:22With France.
  • 44:23The Tuscany does an aqueduct and you
  • 44:27picked up on the mouth could be a rat.
  • 44:31Ann, you picked up in the vineyard,
  • 44:34so, so the vineyard and these other
  • 44:36things tell you that is likely
  • 44:39an Italy or France 7 friends.
  • 44:41But there is this creature with the
  • 44:44tail annual notice that as it racist,
  • 44:47and it comes down to this guy,
  • 44:49shoulder the vine.
  • 44:52So why he put a rat in or
  • 44:55a big mouse is unclear.
  • 44:57We interpret it as a rap.
  • 45:00OK,
  • 45:00so So what is the general
  • 45:03atmosphere of these people
  • 45:04here in this living room?
  • 45:13Entertainment entertainment.
  • 45:15They were happy lot.
  • 45:18They're not a sad life is
  • 45:20a pretty much happy life.
  • 45:22But then in this painting is a
  • 45:24painting inside the painting, OK?
  • 45:30OK, here we are in this is pretty much
  • 45:33the whole painting and Anne when you
  • 45:36look at the painting what do you see?
  • 45:42There are a number of Al
  • 45:45Gore's OK but.
  • 45:48Forgetting what their interpretation
  • 45:49maybe what they actually see though.
  • 45:52How if you had to describe it
  • 45:55to somebody who's not here.
  • 45:57Who's not seeing the painting?
  • 45:59How would you do that?
  • 46:08There's a lot of
  • 46:09action, right? There's a lot of action,
  • 46:12but is there something about the
  • 46:14action that you can actually dissect
  • 46:16the action and isolate it in play?
  • 46:18An isolated in different parts? In
  • 46:23looks like there's some worship going on of
  • 46:26the statue. OK, so we got this pair is
  • 46:30something to do with worshipping OK?
  • 46:33Do you see any other peers?
  • 46:35Well, there are three. There are
  • 46:37three ***** ***** probably muses.
  • 46:40OK. Where? What are the?
  • 46:44What are the pairings? Do you see
  • 46:47is number of chairman?
  • 46:50Hey, you got those right?
  • 46:56What what others?
  • 46:59I can't remember which God is had
  • 47:01a mirror, but that's the one.
  • 47:03In the center coming down
  • 47:05from the rainbow. Oh OK, yeah,
  • 47:07these are the least important people in here.
  • 47:12It's the others that are out. Tell a
  • 47:16story with this producer
  • 47:17and probably Hercules.
  • 47:19OK so, but how would you describe this
  • 47:23couple? Objectively. Not interested.
  • 47:28You're fighting by then. He had
  • 47:30more than that. How are they fighting?
  • 47:35What? What are they actually doing?
  • 47:39How would you describe the
  • 47:41action hand to hand combat now?
  • 47:43Yeah, I know, but still I still don't have a
  • 47:46picture of what they're doing to each other.
  • 47:50He's grabbing the snakes and
  • 47:52trying to hit her on the head.
  • 47:54OK, so you're saying there's a man there?
  • 47:58We had something in his hand that is going
  • 48:01to hit her on the head with right club,
  • 48:03yes, and she had got a club OK and so
  • 48:06he's holding the club in his right hand.
  • 48:09And what is he doing with his left hand?
  • 48:12Grabbing the snakes.
  • 48:14Well, well, see the snakes or
  • 48:17it's just a terrible hair day,
  • 48:19but he basically pushing her away,
  • 48:21pushing that the head away and he has a
  • 48:25club in the other hand an and what is?
  • 48:29And what is she doing?
  • 48:32Which
  • 48:32doing she's pointing to
  • 48:34something or pointing to
  • 48:36him right with her left hand, she's pointing.
  • 48:40With her finger at him, right?
  • 48:48He's pointing with a finger.
  • 48:50That may mean something like mean anything.
  • 48:54And in the other hand,
  • 48:56what does she have?
  • 48:58Torch and torch OK?
  • 48:59Now down in this corner and
  • 49:02Andrew ***** are hanging out.
  • 49:04OK down in this corner we got
  • 49:07this couple right and what's
  • 49:09going on with this couple?
  • 49:12You're bathing. All
  • 49:15right there in the in water,
  • 49:16but what else is going on?
  • 49:21What do you notice about this person?
  • 49:23Versus this person.
  • 49:25She's much younger, haha right?
  • 49:27So we got this young,
  • 49:29beautiful girl who's hanging,
  • 49:31holding on to him he's
  • 49:33your hand on his shoulder.
  • 49:35And he has a basket of something.
  • 49:37And what is he doing?
  • 49:44He's looking away or looking
  • 49:46out. Yeah, he's looking away.
  • 49:48OK, so this older man is looking away
  • 49:52you got the beautiful young girl.
  • 49:55Singing is saying something
  • 49:57I don't know, So what?
  • 49:58What does this suggest is going on?
  • 50:02Between the two of them.
  • 50:07Young, pretty girls do some
  • 50:09what she's trying to seduce him.
  • 50:12Yes, OK this substance
  • 50:14seduction going on here, OK?
  • 50:18Over in this corner we have this woman.
  • 50:22Who has what?
  • 50:24Maybe your baby's right.
  • 50:29And with an look at the expression on her
  • 50:32face, she's looking over here, right?
  • 50:38Quit. What's the expression
  • 50:41on her face? Other. 1.
  • 50:47MSN Yeah I mean there.
  • 50:51Yeah fear there's just this
  • 50:54fear on her on her face.
  • 50:56OK, and now we come to this couple an
  • 51:00what is what is physically he doing?
  • 51:04And what are they both doing?
  • 51:08This reunion thing, and this was he
  • 51:11actually doing? What is he? You
  • 51:15gonna describe the night he's
  • 51:17leading her by the hand, right?
  • 51:20She's kneeling, yeah. Or falling.
  • 51:25Or she's kneeling on something
  • 51:27there with his helmet.
  • 51:29OK, yeah, I think it is and what
  • 51:32is he doing with his left hand?
  • 51:39He's leaving her with his right hand, right?
  • 51:43And with his left hand it's behind her back.
  • 51:48But what about the expression on her face?
  • 51:56You're looking up at this statue.
  • 51:59Is this the face of?
  • 52:02Of someone who's happy,
  • 52:05or someone who's fearful. It
  • 52:08could be fearful it could be idolation
  • 52:10too. Yeah, OK, so this is. So
  • 52:14this this statue is supposed to represent.
  • 52:19Hymen they go out of marriage.
  • 52:23And so in in this particular.
  • 52:26Painting this young woman is being
  • 52:28brought to the altar of hymen,
  • 52:31but she is some resistance.
  • 52:33She's not exactly enthusiastic,
  • 52:34and he's pulling her tored the statue.
  • 52:37This woman was two babies look
  • 52:39sort of terrified and fearful.
  • 52:42She's not exactly happy.
  • 52:43And then here is the young woman in
  • 52:47straight out of the top of her head.
  • 52:50It's like a cartoon.
  • 52:51There is this figure with a
  • 52:54club who happens to be Hercules.
  • 52:57This is supposed to be the skin of a lion,
  • 53:00and he's pushing away this figure with
  • 53:03wild hair supposed to be not Medusa, but.
  • 53:08Glad I'm blocking it.
  • 53:11Gordon no, he represents slander.
  • 53:14Look, you know I should have written
  • 53:18it down like it will come back to me.
  • 53:21Anyway. This is Hercules driving.
  • 53:23Slander away that's what it's supposed to be.
  • 53:26Not knowing when I looked at it I hit total.
  • 53:30They didn't recognize this is Hercules I
  • 53:33thought it was a man pushing a woman away,
  • 53:36representing violence in marriage,
  • 53:38but it's actually Hercules pushing this
  • 53:41woman away who represents slander and
  • 53:43down here we have a seduction scene.
  • 53:45In all, the only happy people in here
  • 53:48or I will care about is flying around.
  • 53:51OK, so.
  • 53:54This painting, oh,
  • 53:55and this is a high.
  • 53:56I'm sorry it shouldn't show this
  • 53:58is a higher view.
  • 54:00Of Hercules and this Medusa like
  • 54:02figure and then it's coming right
  • 54:05out of her head like a cartoon and
  • 54:08this is the seduction figures here.
  • 54:11So with this.
  • 54:13This painting
  • 54:17was commissioned by the father.
  • 54:23To celebrate the wedding.
  • 54:27Of his youngest daughter.
  • 54:30Who's 16 to the Earl of George?
  • 54:33The Earl of Cowper? Who's 37?
  • 54:39And so this painting was done actually
  • 54:42before the marriage ceremony took place.
  • 54:44It was several months before.
  • 54:48Anne Anne so this was the
  • 54:50celebrate this impending marriage.
  • 54:52So the answer. True story.
  • 54:54So the background is that the
  • 54:57Gore family bum bum bum bum bum.
  • 55:01Left England and went to Florence
  • 55:03to live because the mother had some
  • 55:06sort of a chronic illness and they
  • 55:08thought a better climate in Florence
  • 55:11would help the mother when they
  • 55:13get to Florence they meet George,
  • 55:15the Earl of Cowper and George is an
  • 55:18expat from England who left England
  • 55:20long time before and moved to Florence
  • 55:23and he was living there and he was
  • 55:26hoping to eventually get some sort of
  • 55:29diplomatic posts in the Broly home and.
  • 55:32In the arm in the Holy Roman Empire.
  • 55:36And so he was living in Florence,
  • 55:38and at the time he was having
  • 55:41an affair with a married woman,
  • 55:43and this was in all all the newspapers.
  • 55:46Actually was, uh, it was an older woman.
  • 55:49Maybe she was a widow by this time,
  • 55:51but it was in all the newspapers and
  • 55:54there was a long already about this.
  • 55:57He then drops the woman and is
  • 55:59a marriage contract between the
  • 56:00father and him that he's going
  • 56:02to marry the youngest daughter.
  • 56:04So she's 16. He's 37.
  • 56:07And this is before the wedding,
  • 56:10and while they may be happy here,
  • 56:13this is like a big cut balloon
  • 56:16cartoon coming out of her head.
  • 56:18But she's concerned about.
  • 56:20So.
  • 56:20This is Hercules driving,
  • 56:22slander away,
  • 56:23slander being the notoriety that
  • 56:25this fellow had with this woman.
  • 56:28She's concerned that maybe after
  • 56:30they get married he's going to be
  • 56:33seduced away by some younger woman.
  • 56:38This represents her reluctance about
  • 56:39getting married in the 1st place.
  • 56:42He's being pulled toward the statue
  • 56:44and here is this woman with a couple
  • 56:47of young babies, and she's 16.
  • 56:49She's not ready for that either.
  • 56:51So so in the front in the foreground we have
  • 56:54is very happy scene to celebrate something,
  • 56:57but in the in the background we probably
  • 57:00have the true state of her mind as
  • 57:04to what she's thinking about so.
  • 57:06So it turned out that this marriage
  • 57:09is 16 to 37.
  • 57:10Doesn't have a lot of probability of working
  • 57:13out and a matter of fact it didn't work out.
  • 57:16It was a terrible marriage and
  • 57:18was known all over England.
  • 57:20They were always talking about this couple.
  • 57:23She spent all the money on Silver Ware
  • 57:26and porcelain and he wouldn't pay for it,
  • 57:28so she had to go back and
  • 57:31Hock it to get the money.
  • 57:33It was a terrible story.
  • 57:37An so they asked the they asked the artist
  • 57:40Dakhani who's a very famous quote artist,
  • 57:43why did you paint this?
  • 57:45What what's his story here and he said,
  • 57:48well, he said, you know this is
  • 57:51what the future is going to be like.
  • 57:54Happy at etc. But this is what the
  • 57:58past was like and so that's the past.
  • 58:01This is the future.
  • 58:02Well when you think about it,
  • 58:05that's that's a lame excuse.
  • 58:07Because.
  • 58:11She's here worried about seduction, slander.
  • 58:14She's really to get married,
  • 58:16so this is not the past.
  • 58:18This is what she's really thinking about,
  • 58:21but he got away with it and I don't know
  • 58:26if the I guess he did pay the artist.
  • 58:29But then I found a note,
  • 58:32a letter that he Gore had
  • 58:34written to the father and said,
  • 58:37don't you ever talk to me again?
  • 58:40Write to me in that tone 'cause
  • 58:42he was something about the
  • 58:44marriage contract and money,
  • 58:46and I never found the
  • 58:48original settlers about,
  • 58:49but he was essentially saying don't
  • 58:52bother me with this is it is closed.
  • 58:54The watercolor here is to represent
  • 58:57the fact that this fellow Gore was
  • 58:59actually a very fine watercolorist,
  • 59:01and he went on expeditions with other
  • 59:04people and he painted what they saw.
  • 59:07Was he pulled the year of cameras,
  • 59:09so he recorded.
  • 59:11But they saw in watercolor,
  • 59:13so the fact is that this rat is coming
  • 59:17out of here because that's exactly
  • 59:20what that is thought of of the groom.
  • 59:24That he was her fresh,
  • 59:27and that's sort of the story behind this.
  • 59:31This painting.
  • 59:32It turns out, though, that this guy,
  • 59:36George, the role of copper,
  • 59:38was actually had a lot of money,
  • 59:42and for his time in the 1700s
  • 59:45in his home in Florence,
  • 59:48he had the latest equipment for physics
  • 59:52lab have thermometers, hygrometers.
  • 59:55All kinds of things,
  • 59:56and he's doing experiments and he.
  • 59:58So he was smart and he was supporting
  • 01:00:01the arts, but he was a terrible husband.
  • 01:00:06And then he tried to get Tesla.
  • 01:00:09Tesla.
  • 01:00:11It's the same name as the current
  • 01:00:14Tesla who invented with radio,
  • 01:00:16but this had.
  • 01:00:17The Tesla was interested in magnetism
  • 01:00:20and he tried to get test for inducted
  • 01:00:23into the Royal Society in England.
  • 01:00:26But the English said now we can
  • 01:00:28possibly have him as a member of the
  • 01:00:32Royal Society 'cause he's Italian.
  • 01:00:34He's not English,
  • 01:00:35so they even though Tesla had
  • 01:00:37actually done some very good work.
  • 01:00:40So that's the story behind that.
  • 01:00:42And so if you have any questions or
  • 01:00:45any comments, please let me know now.
  • 01:00:49Any questions?
  • 01:00:52Hercules and to learn and Hydra
  • 01:00:55was a second label. Looked it up
  • 01:00:57on Google while you were talking.
  • 01:00:59What was that? Hercules
  • 01:01:01and the Lernaean Hydra.
  • 01:01:03It was his second labor OK.
  • 01:01:08That was a great shot.
  • 01:01:09Doctor Braverman,
  • 01:01:10with the analysis thank you
  • 01:01:12for leading us through,
  • 01:01:13was very informative.
  • 01:01:15OK, I'm glad you liked it,
  • 01:01:17so this is what you know we do
  • 01:01:19with the students an with the
  • 01:01:21students come over like time.
  • 01:01:23Now be 1/4 of the class.
  • 01:01:26Now we divide them up into
  • 01:01:28groups of four or five with the
  • 01:01:30dose in Tonio some like that,
  • 01:01:32and each student gets his own painting.
  • 01:01:36Yeah, and he stands in front of
  • 01:01:37the painting he studies at the 1213
  • 01:01:40minutes and then we get them all
  • 01:01:42together and then that student will
  • 01:01:44stay in stand in front of his painting
  • 01:01:46and describe what he saw and then
  • 01:01:49when he runs out of comments then
  • 01:01:51the other students will chime in.
  • 01:01:53And it's been really very effective
  • 01:01:55and we were really surprised when
  • 01:01:58we learned that while we thought
  • 01:02:00we were teaching observation,
  • 01:02:02ull skills,
  • 01:02:02we didn't realize that we were teaching
  • 01:02:05him something about how they made decisions,
  • 01:02:08which I think is more important
  • 01:02:10than than the observation.
  • 01:02:12Actually, they're both important,
  • 01:02:13but I think the fact they recognized
  • 01:02:16that they're making decisions and with
  • 01:02:19insufficient evidence is is what happened.
  • 01:02:21And we when we started as 22 years ago.
  • 01:02:26It was done as a pilot project and
  • 01:02:28as I mentioned, that little blurb,
  • 01:02:30one of two of the medical students
  • 01:02:33actually worked on this for the thesis,
  • 01:02:35and that's how we got control
  • 01:02:38groups and intervention groups and
  • 01:02:39got this published in JAMA and as
  • 01:02:42soon as we got a published in JAMA,
  • 01:02:44the school said,
  • 01:02:45OK,
  • 01:02:46it's now required course and
  • 01:02:47within three or four months this
  • 01:02:49was now sad to be picked up by
  • 01:02:52other medical schools and as of
  • 01:02:54now there's somewhere between 100.
  • 01:02:56I know of 100 for sure,
  • 01:02:59but other people looking out of 765
  • 01:03:02school medical schools both in the
  • 01:03:04United States and overseas who are you doing?
  • 01:03:07The same technique either the exactly like
  • 01:03:10we do it or just in part like we do it.
  • 01:03:14So it really struck a vibe that you know
  • 01:03:18observation was an important thing.
  • 01:03:20And then I think the other thing that
  • 01:03:24struck the vibe was that you know.
  • 01:03:27I was taught this important to
  • 01:03:29look to see etc.
  • 01:03:30But then by the mid 70s doctors were
  • 01:03:33beginning not to do this because of
  • 01:03:36these imaging techniques that were coming in.
  • 01:03:38You know,
  • 01:03:39Mris and CAT scans and the rest
  • 01:03:41and physicians.
  • 01:03:42Now we're relying on those to make a
  • 01:03:45diagnosis rather than looking because
  • 01:03:47a lot of things you can make it
  • 01:03:50diagnosed by looking to save time and money.
  • 01:03:53An even doing a good examination,
  • 01:03:55physical examination to make a diagnosis.
  • 01:03:58I remember I once had a problem,
  • 01:04:00my shoulder and I was so amazed that
  • 01:04:02the orthopedist actually move my
  • 01:04:04shoulder around and did all kinds of
  • 01:04:06things to figure out what was wrong,
  • 01:04:08and then he sent me for an X ray
  • 01:04:10and I couldn't believe that someone
  • 01:04:13actually spent the time doing this.
  • 01:04:15No,
  • 01:04:15it really was a wonderful bond
  • 01:04:18and I think
  • 01:04:19that by by paying attention to people,
  • 01:04:22doctors really make good bonds
  • 01:04:24with their patients and they
  • 01:04:26get more compliant patients.
  • 01:04:28So it isn't just for diagnosis,
  • 01:04:30it's also for the relationship.
  • 01:04:32So that was my.
  • 01:04:33No propaganda piece about why
  • 01:04:35I should look carefully, but
  • 01:04:38one of the things about this last pain.
  • 01:04:42Is I made the assumption that was a cello?
  • 01:04:45Yeah, I just assumed the peg was
  • 01:04:48there. Yeah, right, that's right, it was.
  • 01:04:51Yeah, your brain fills in the missing parts,
  • 01:04:54and that's what often happens.
  • 01:04:57The brain fills in the missing parts.
  • 01:05:04Thank you. Thank you.
  • 01:05:06Good to see you, Harold.
  • 01:05:12Anyone else have any questions or thoughts?
  • 01:05:23OK, something that was not
  • 01:05:25commented on is the broken vase with
  • 01:05:28the flowers in front of the
  • 01:05:31statue. Oh really, oh OK.
  • 01:05:38I mean over here. Yeah, that's how I read it.
  • 01:05:43It could very well be.
  • 01:05:45If you know the rat that's here.
  • 01:05:52Yeah, well it took a medical
  • 01:05:54student to find this. We've been.
  • 01:05:56We've been doing this for 20.
  • 01:05:58It must have been like year 20 or something.
  • 01:06:02I never notice the racket was a
  • 01:06:04medical student who had this painting.
  • 01:06:06Is this is a trap there and
  • 01:06:08which made sense because he's
  • 01:06:10considered this guys consider at so.
  • 01:06:15Even we did not find everything here that
  • 01:06:17there was in the painting and medical
  • 01:06:20students always added something to this.
  • 01:06:22And the best part of this
  • 01:06:25exercise was believe it or not.
  • 01:06:27No two students have ever described these
  • 01:06:30paintings in the same way, never 'cause.
  • 01:06:32If they did, you know this would be a
  • 01:06:35pretty boring kind of exercise to do
  • 01:06:38from the standpoint of the teacher,
  • 01:06:40but no two students ever ever described
  • 01:06:43these the same way they all approach didn't.
  • 01:06:46Different way to get to the final end result,
  • 01:06:49but they had different ways of
  • 01:06:52analyzing it so.
  • 01:06:53That was a good part for us.
  • 01:07:01Well, if nobody. Have any
  • 01:07:04more questions or comments?
  • 01:07:05I thank you very much for joining in.
  • 01:07:10Didn't quite know how this is going
  • 01:07:12to go, but. Zoom is a very good
  • 01:07:15thing for us during this past year.