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POCUS Scan Shift Intro

March 11, 2025
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  • 00:00Hey there. Thanks for your
  • 00:02interest in doing a scanning
  • 00:03shift with us in the
  • 00:04QDR FAQD.
  • 00:05We thought it'd likely be
  • 00:06useful to have, an introductory
  • 00:09lecture provided before your shift
  • 00:11so you can have a
  • 00:12little bit of background information
  • 00:13to use as a guide,
  • 00:15when you're doing your hands
  • 00:16on scanning with us on
  • 00:18Shift. And without further ado,
  • 00:20we'll go on to the
  • 00:21next slide.
  • 00:23So this intro presentation,
  • 00:25hopefully, you'll be able to
  • 00:26view for your scanning shift,
  • 00:28and, it'll give you a
  • 00:30a brief introduction to some
  • 00:32key concepts that you're gonna
  • 00:33need to be familiar with
  • 00:34in in order to,
  • 00:36be good at getting images
  • 00:37and interpreting the images on
  • 00:39the screen. So
  • 00:40we'll have to delve into
  • 00:41a little bit and some
  • 00:42basic ultrasound physics.
  • 00:45We're gonna talk about scanning
  • 00:46concepts that are related to
  • 00:47the type of code that
  • 00:48you use, you refer to
  • 00:50as a transducer,
  • 00:52orientation on the screen,
  • 00:55some function some functionalities such
  • 00:57as, color Doppler,
  • 00:59depth gain, things like that.
  • 01:01And NOBOLOGY is an idea
  • 01:03of,
  • 01:04all these different functions,
  • 01:05as it pertains to your
  • 01:06particular machine.
  • 01:08This is something that is
  • 01:09often the rate limiting step,
  • 01:11for,
  • 01:13sonologists or physicians who are
  • 01:14using ultrasound
  • 01:15to get comfortable
  • 01:17at doing,
  • 01:18clinical care studies.
  • 01:20And,
  • 01:21you know, do a little
  • 01:22bit of nature. I'm trying
  • 01:23to keep this short for
  • 01:23you guys. There's tons of
  • 01:25other resources you can tap
  • 01:26into. Focus Atlas, five Minute
  • 01:28Sono, additional podcast, picture video
  • 01:31based,
  • 01:32teaching materials. And,
  • 01:35Lillian as well, has, some
  • 01:37case based ultrasound.
  • 01:52So, you know, our goals
  • 01:53for when we do the
  • 01:54scanning test together is just
  • 01:56spend a little bit time
  • 01:57to to teach how to
  • 01:58perform
  • 01:59a quality clinical ultrasound scans.
  • 02:03And it's nice to have
  • 02:04a dedicated time for us
  • 02:05to do this so we
  • 02:06don't have complete interest,
  • 02:08with other clinical care needs
  • 02:09that are happening simultaneously.
  • 02:11So we can really spend
  • 02:12the time to to go
  • 02:13over the approach to
  • 02:15patient, how
  • 02:17to integrate family members, and
  • 02:19some tricks to make things,
  • 02:21a little bit easier and
  • 02:22and smoother for, for the
  • 02:24students.
  • 02:26We talk a lot about,
  • 02:27what our roles,
  • 02:29in terms of binary yes
  • 02:30or no questions,
  • 02:32when we're doing more percent
  • 02:33of the bedside. So if
  • 02:35you're going to dominant trauma
  • 02:36patient,
  • 02:37yes or no is a
  • 02:38big fluid in the abdomen,
  • 02:40but,
  • 02:42patient that you're concerned about
  • 02:43undifferentiated
  • 02:44shock, yes or no is
  • 02:46the cardiac function preserved.
  • 02:49And so that really is
  • 02:50is a unique
  • 02:54aspect of chronic care ultrasound,
  • 02:56which, differs from radiology ultrasound.
  • 02:59We tend to be a
  • 02:59little more in-depth and in
  • 03:00detail in terms of their
  • 03:02scope and the questions that
  • 03:03they're answering.
  • 03:06So just to get on
  • 03:07my ultrasound here
  • 03:09for a moment, there's,
  • 03:11multiple advantages,
  • 03:12to ultrasound sort of relative
  • 03:14to other diagnostic
  • 03:16and diodes like X rays
  • 03:17and and the CT scans
  • 03:18and even on the line.
  • 03:20So,
  • 03:21our point of view at
  • 03:22ultrasound is a very dynamic
  • 03:23study. So you're looking at
  • 03:25objects and organs in two
  • 03:26planes. If everything we want
  • 03:28to image, we have an
  • 03:29object of interest. We wanna
  • 03:31get get an image in
  • 03:32perpendicular
  • 03:33plane, so we say a
  • 03:34long axis and a short
  • 03:35axis plane.
  • 03:37Obviously, ultrasound doesn't, employ any
  • 03:39radiation, so it's safe for
  • 03:40patients.
  • 03:42We could do it serially
  • 03:43so you can
  • 03:45check,
  • 03:46progression of illness with point
  • 03:47four zero percent on two
  • 03:48different points in time.
  • 03:51It's fairly painless.
  • 03:52There's been tons of studies
  • 03:54on fracture literature with twenty
  • 03:55four percent been applied
  • 03:57with pain face scores and
  • 03:59and if you use enough
  • 04:01gel and use appropriate techniques,
  • 04:03you really should not be
  • 04:04causing
  • 04:05any additional pain.
  • 04:07And it's certainly something that
  • 04:08does not require sedation or
  • 04:09should not require sedation in
  • 04:11order to be performed.
  • 04:14And, and finally, again, sort
  • 04:16of,
  • 04:17it's repeatable. So,
  • 04:19if if, repeatable not only
  • 04:21by a different operator or,
  • 04:23you say, a synergist,
  • 04:25but it's
  • 04:26easy to repeat at a
  • 04:27different point in time,
  • 04:29having machine at the ready
  • 04:30of the dead cell. So
  • 04:32it's really great and it
  • 04:33adds a lot of really
  • 04:34important information to the clinical
  • 04:36picture in many cases.
  • 04:39So the questions you always
  • 04:40are gonna ask yourself is
  • 04:41where was an ultrasound done?
  • 04:43Is it done by
  • 04:45a clinician at the point
  • 04:46of care, a clinician who's
  • 04:48who's likely taking care of
  • 04:49the patient?
  • 04:50Or is it a technician
  • 04:51performed or a radiology performed
  • 04:53ultrasound done with diagnostic imaging
  • 04:55suite? And then who's doing
  • 04:57it? Well, ultrasound's unique is
  • 04:59that it's we say it's
  • 05:00very operator dependent. So even
  • 05:02even
  • 05:02within a certain,
  • 05:04application. So let's take the
  • 05:06appendix, for example.
  • 05:07We can have two,
  • 05:10skilled
  • 05:12ultrasound performers,
  • 05:14and one,
  • 05:15of the two has a
  • 05:16higher,
  • 05:19accuracy in terms of appendix
  • 05:21identification
  • 05:22and,
  • 05:23ability to interpret surrounding structures
  • 05:26and things like that. So
  • 05:27even amongst,
  • 05:28ourselves as, immunosuppressive medicine,
  • 05:31physicians
  • 05:33and even in in,
  • 05:34the radiology
  • 05:35and environment, the the operator
  • 05:37is gonna make a difference.
  • 05:39So it's very different than,
  • 05:41putting a plate on somebody's
  • 05:43back and shooting a picture
  • 05:45like what they do for
  • 05:46radiography for x rays. So
  • 05:49so very important to to
  • 05:50be aware that ultrasound is
  • 05:52an operator dependent modality.
  • 05:54And then why is the
  • 05:55ultrasound being done? So where
  • 05:56is it done? Who's doing
  • 05:57it? Are you doing this
  • 05:59as a as a diagnostic?
  • 06:00And if show and if
  • 06:01so, at the point of
  • 06:02care, it should really be
  • 06:02a yes or no question,
  • 06:04for the most part. And
  • 06:05then there's times where ultrasound
  • 06:08is just, a necessary part
  • 06:09of of clinical care because
  • 06:11it's safer.
  • 06:12It's safer, when it comes
  • 06:13to procedures, and it, has
  • 06:15been shown time and time
  • 06:16again to increase success rates
  • 06:18of prescription procedures.
  • 06:21So let's get into what
  • 06:23you're looking at on the
  • 06:24screen. How are the images
  • 06:25created by either a handheld
  • 06:27device or a more standard
  • 06:29sort of ultrasound,
  • 06:32machine? So
  • 06:34what what happens is you
  • 06:35have
  • 06:36everything starts with the transducer.
  • 06:38So
  • 06:39the the machine sends an
  • 06:40electrical signal, so energy
  • 06:43is tran transmitted,
  • 06:45to the probe, to the
  • 06:46transducer,
  • 06:48and these these probes are
  • 06:49tightly packed with crystals. And
  • 06:52so that that electricity,
  • 06:53that that current,
  • 06:55what it does is it
  • 06:56it causes vibration
  • 06:58of these crystals at a
  • 06:59very high frequency,
  • 07:01hence the name ultrasound.
  • 07:04So the sound signal
  • 07:05at that point is sent
  • 07:07to a tissue.
  • 07:08In this case here you
  • 07:09have,
  • 07:11a cardiac
  • 07:12structure.
  • 07:13And depending on the tissue
  • 07:15density and some properties, how
  • 07:17fluid filled it is,
  • 07:20there is an interaction between
  • 07:23the tissue
  • 07:24and the probe.
  • 07:26And,
  • 07:27there's two concepts,
  • 07:29that come into play. So
  • 07:30there's,
  • 07:32attenuation, which is loss of
  • 07:34signal energy
  • 07:35and there's impedance, which is
  • 07:37reflection
  • 07:38of ultrasound
  • 07:39back to the to the
  • 07:40probe.
  • 07:42And a combination of,
  • 07:44these two properties of ultrasound,
  • 07:47the computer,
  • 07:48is going to generate an
  • 07:49image. It's going to be
  • 07:50a grayscale image
  • 07:52and,
  • 07:53with knowledge of important
  • 07:56concepts, of general concepts that
  • 07:57we're gonna go into,
  • 07:59you will be able to
  • 08:00say, okay, this image that
  • 08:02is dark on the
  • 08:04ultrasound screen is because it's
  • 08:06a fluid filled structure
  • 08:07because due to due to,
  • 08:10full attenuation
  • 08:12and lack of impedance.
  • 08:15So let's look at these
  • 08:16two properties of ultrasound transmission
  • 08:19one at a time.
  • 08:20The first is attenuation.
  • 08:22So attenuation is essentially the
  • 08:23loss of signal energy.
  • 08:26As as ultrasound
  • 08:28goes through a certain object
  • 08:29or structure,
  • 08:31it's gonna,
  • 08:32lose the amount of signal
  • 08:33that it can transmit
  • 08:35deep to that structure.
  • 08:37So you have a
  • 08:38a less defined,
  • 08:41sort of image on the
  • 08:43screen essentially over what happened.
  • 08:45Now the amount of attenuation
  • 08:47is gonna be different depending
  • 08:48on the
  • 08:50makeup, the composition of the
  • 08:51structure that the beam is
  • 08:52going through.
  • 08:54But, you can almost always,
  • 09:00imagine that there's some degree
  • 09:02of attenuation that's gonna exist.
  • 09:04That's why the images at
  • 09:06the top half of the
  • 09:07screen are always crisper and
  • 09:08nicer than than those at
  • 09:10the bottom part of the
  • 09:11screen.
  • 09:12And then the other property
  • 09:13of ultrasound is impedance. So
  • 09:15impedance has to do with,
  • 09:18tissue density and reflection
  • 09:20of the ultrasound being back
  • 09:21to the transducer.
  • 09:23So in this case with
  • 09:24bone, which has high high
  • 09:26impedance
  • 09:27property, the ultrasound
  • 09:29reflects off the bone and
  • 09:31back to the transducer,
  • 09:32and the machine cannot generate
  • 09:34an image deep to the
  • 09:35bone. So everything goes dark
  • 09:38behind tissues that have high
  • 09:40impedance,
  • 09:41and we we do call
  • 09:42that, a certain,
  • 09:45artifact referred to as posterior
  • 09:48acoustic
  • 09:50shadow.
  • 09:53So in this light, ultrasound
  • 09:54is essentially the same as
  • 09:56marine life with echolocation,
  • 09:59and I like to bring
  • 10:00up this example to back
  • 10:01home the point that the
  • 10:03water
  • 10:04or fluid filled structures are
  • 10:06excellent
  • 10:07transmitters of ultrasound.
  • 10:08So,
  • 10:10when a, say, an orca
  • 10:12or a porpoise or a
  • 10:13dolphin,
  • 10:16sends an ultrasound signal
  • 10:18in in the ocean through
  • 10:19their echolocation
  • 10:20mechanism.
  • 10:22That signal is gonna continue
  • 10:24to travel until it hits
  • 10:25an object.
  • 10:27And then based on the
  • 10:28distance
  • 10:29of that object,
  • 10:31to the to the marine
  • 10:32life
  • 10:33and potentially the size
  • 10:35of that object or multiple
  • 10:37objects.
  • 10:38The,
  • 10:40marine life mammal will get
  • 10:41a sense of,
  • 10:43predator versus prey
  • 10:45and then how far that
  • 10:46they would have to travel
  • 10:48to, reach
  • 10:49that that object that's in
  • 10:51front of them.
  • 10:52Or perhaps in some cases,
  • 10:54whether how far,
  • 10:56the object could make they
  • 10:58pose potential risk to their
  • 11:00livelihoods so so that they
  • 11:02can react in a timely
  • 11:03manner.
  • 11:04So,
  • 11:05it's it's a great example
  • 11:07of how
  • 11:08there is very little attenuation
  • 11:11of ultrasound and fluid filled
  • 11:12structures, and we we talk
  • 11:14about this a a lot,
  • 11:16when we're imaging
  • 11:18when we wanna see,
  • 11:21organs that are potentially deep
  • 11:23in the pelvis. So a
  • 11:24common one would be workups
  • 11:25for ovarian pathology, ovarian torsion.
  • 11:28If we're doing trans abdominal
  • 11:30ultrasound, we wanna have a
  • 11:31nice fluid filled bladder
  • 11:34so that the ultrasound beam
  • 11:35can be
  • 11:37well,
  • 11:38transmitted to the pelvic structures
  • 11:40to get a good look
  • 11:41at the fluid piece.
  • 11:45And here we have one
  • 11:46last slide just to,
  • 11:48once again go over this
  • 11:50idea of ultrasound transmission.
  • 11:52And when we talk about
  • 11:53transmission, we are essentially asking
  • 11:55ourselves,
  • 11:56how well is my ultrasound
  • 11:58being penetrated through the tissue?
  • 12:01This has to do with
  • 12:02the composition of the tissue.
  • 12:03So if you have a
  • 12:04fluid filled structure,
  • 12:06you have excellent transmission, a
  • 12:07nice fluid filled, nice nicely
  • 12:10filled bladder
  • 12:11is gonna act as an
  • 12:12acoustic window
  • 12:13so that the ultrasound can
  • 12:15visualize structures deep to it,
  • 12:16such as the ovaries, when
  • 12:17you read about a very
  • 12:18important phthalmoidic system or ovarian
  • 12:21biology.
  • 12:24When you have,
  • 12:26a structure
  • 12:27with high impedance,
  • 12:29there's either very poor transmission
  • 12:32behind that,
  • 12:34object or sometimes, in fact,
  • 12:36no transition.
  • 12:37And then you have air.
  • 12:40Air is actually the enemy,
  • 12:42for ultrasound.
  • 12:43So
  • 12:44in terms of the appearance
  • 12:46of ultrasound
  • 12:47as it crosses,
  • 12:48an airfield structure,
  • 12:50you really cannot delineate,
  • 12:53any crispness on the screen
  • 12:55at all.
  • 12:56And for air essentially does
  • 12:58is it causes scatter
  • 12:59of ultrasound beam.
  • 13:01So air can cause a
  • 13:03very bright or hyper echoic
  • 13:05appearance
  • 13:06to the image,
  • 13:07and it can,
  • 13:08and and what it will
  • 13:09do is it will give
  • 13:10you a
  • 13:12very
  • 13:13poorly defined,
  • 13:17picture on the screen.
  • 13:22Alright. So let's apply this
  • 13:23these concepts of ultrasound transmission
  • 13:25to an actual still image.
  • 13:27In this case, I will
  • 13:28let you know this is
  • 13:29a, long access,
  • 13:31longitudinal ultrasound in the midline
  • 13:34of a pregnant patient.
  • 13:36You can see that,
  • 13:38over the bladder, because it's
  • 13:40a nice fluid filled structure,
  • 13:42there's no attenuation
  • 13:43to ultrasound. So you can
  • 13:45actually see,
  • 13:47structures deep to it. In
  • 13:49this case, there's the vaginal
  • 13:50stripe, which is the landmark
  • 13:52that lets us know that
  • 13:53we're at the midline,
  • 13:56of this trans transpiled loop.
  • 13:59And then if you think
  • 14:00about the uterus, look at
  • 14:01how the the,
  • 14:03fundus portion
  • 14:05is sort of well delineated
  • 14:06with the gestational sac, and
  • 14:08also you can get a
  • 14:09sense here
  • 14:10of a fetal pull right
  • 14:12there.
  • 14:14So the ultrasound transmission here
  • 14:16may be a slightly little
  • 14:17bit different, so more attenuation
  • 14:19deep to the structures.
  • 14:20So you don't see as
  • 14:21crisp of the margin of
  • 14:22the posterior biliary uterus like
  • 14:24you you do anteriorly.
  • 14:27And guess what's behind the
  • 14:28uterus? Well,
  • 14:30it's mostly bowel, and it's
  • 14:31probably bowel that's filled with
  • 14:33air
  • 14:34because we're not seeing anything.
  • 14:35Everything looks very indistinct. And
  • 14:37that makes sense based on
  • 14:40the ultrasound
  • 14:41interaction with air. So
  • 14:44back here, even though there's
  • 14:46intestines and there's actual anatomy,
  • 14:48we're not seeing anything on
  • 14:50the screen because bowel gas
  • 14:52causes ultrasound,
  • 14:54being to scatter. And you
  • 14:55just have a lot of
  • 14:56white the right,
  • 14:59enhancement of of the the
  • 15:01computer screen, and so you're
  • 15:02not really seeing anything other
  • 15:03than that.
  • 15:08Okay. So here we have
  • 15:10a a quiz,
  • 15:12named that phone.
  • 15:15And so how do we
  • 15:15know what we are looking
  • 15:17from?
  • 15:18So one of the things
  • 15:19we always wanna keep an
  • 15:20eye out when we're reviewing
  • 15:22clips and also when you're
  • 15:24performing ultrasound scans is the
  • 15:26settings.
  • 15:27So here's a bit of
  • 15:28a clue.
  • 15:30This happens to be an
  • 15:32ultrasound of lung tissue.
  • 15:35So in terms
  • 15:37of meaning a bone, what
  • 15:38bone would be seen,
  • 15:40in front of,
  • 15:43lung? Well, that would be,
  • 15:44of course, your ribs. So
  • 15:46here you see the top
  • 15:49of the rib
  • 15:50in
  • 15:51short axis.
  • 15:52And as you can see,
  • 15:55ultrasound cannot penetrate
  • 15:57deep to the rib, so
  • 15:58everything here is dark,
  • 16:01dark.
  • 16:02And so that is this
  • 16:03artifact that we have alluded
  • 16:05to as, posterior acoustic enhancement.
  • 16:07So you know that this
  • 16:08is a red hue.
  • 16:11The other interesting sort of
  • 16:12finding is that we typically
  • 16:14will see the
  • 16:16plural be a very bright
  • 16:18line in between the blue
  • 16:19spaces.
  • 16:21So in this case,
  • 16:24not only do you sort
  • 16:25of
  • 16:26see separation
  • 16:28of the plural right here,
  • 16:30Looks like there's one line
  • 16:31and another line.
  • 16:34Do a small little fluid
  • 16:35collection there, a small little
  • 16:36fluid effusion.
  • 16:38But this is actually a
  • 16:39patient who has pneumonia by
  • 16:40one ultrasound
  • 16:42in the right posterior field.
  • 16:45We said briefly that air
  • 16:47gives no image, so just
  • 16:50a
  • 16:51essentially artifact.
  • 16:53And,
  • 16:56we can spend an entire
  • 16:57hour talking about lung ultrasound,
  • 16:59but essentially this jaggedness here
  • 17:02of the,
  • 17:05the tissue of this lung
  • 17:06tissue
  • 17:07is an appearance that you
  • 17:09would see with a subfloor
  • 17:10consolidation.
  • 17:13And there's some other findings
  • 17:14that in addition to that
  • 17:16shred sign, you have these
  • 17:17sort of bright, echogenic appearances,
  • 17:21in within
  • 17:23a tissue
  • 17:24that we shouldn't be seeing.
  • 17:25We we shouldn't be seeing
  • 17:27a distinct sort of organ
  • 17:28appearing tissue up there under
  • 17:31the flora because,
  • 17:33lung, because since it's when
  • 17:34it's health healthy as air
  • 17:36filled,
  • 17:37does not give off any
  • 17:38appearance on the lurchaser. You
  • 17:40just see the liberation artifact,
  • 17:42which we call a lungs.
  • 17:43But, a little bit ahead
  • 17:45of,
  • 17:47where where we are right
  • 17:48now in terms of this
  • 17:49lecture,
  • 17:51but I'm hoping you can
  • 17:53get a good sense of
  • 17:55rib bone here,
  • 17:56ultrasound hitting the rib bone.
  • 17:59It looks bright and echogenic.
  • 18:02There's high impedance, there's no
  • 18:03transmission, so you get this
  • 18:05complete
  • 18:06acoustic shadowing,
  • 18:08deep to that structure.
  • 18:11Alright. So when we're talking
  • 18:12about what transducers to choose,
  • 18:15the transducers are the former
  • 18:16term for a ultrasound probe.
  • 18:19There's essentially three choices. You
  • 18:21have,
  • 18:23a linear probe, which has
  • 18:24a nice flat footprint
  • 18:26here,
  • 18:27creating superficial structures. You have
  • 18:30a curvilinear
  • 18:31flow.
  • 18:33There's a curved footprint, which
  • 18:35is better to look for
  • 18:36deeper structures.
  • 18:37And you have a
  • 18:38type of curvilinear flow, called
  • 18:40a phased array flow, which
  • 18:42is a cardiac,
  • 18:44together between
  • 18:45grid spaces and get a
  • 18:46nice
  • 18:48view of the car structures
  • 18:49when you're doing a focus
  • 18:51product focusing.
  • 18:53So when we talk about
  • 18:54code selection or or cancellation
  • 18:56selection, you're gonna pick a
  • 18:58a probe,
  • 19:00which is gonna fit your
  • 19:02needs. So the trade off
  • 19:03between a curvilinear,
  • 19:05low frequency
  • 19:06and a
  • 19:08linear high frequency
  • 19:09is resolution
  • 19:11to depth. Or or depth
  • 19:12is how how much penetration
  • 19:14can the ultrasound be achieved.
  • 19:17So the linear probe, the
  • 19:18higher frequency probes are able
  • 19:20to,
  • 19:22achieve a greater resolution,
  • 19:23a higher level of detail
  • 19:25for superficial
  • 19:26structures at the trade off
  • 19:28of
  • 19:29depth, the ability to penetrate,
  • 19:31deep to deeper structures
  • 19:33and vice versa with the
  • 19:35curvilinear probes and and the
  • 19:36phased array for these curvilinear
  • 19:38probes. So with these probes,
  • 19:39you're gonna sacrifice resolution
  • 19:42for your ability to penetrate
  • 19:43deeper structures.
  • 19:45So intra abdominal
  • 19:47examinations, the classical being trauma,
  • 19:51focus assessment of synoptic and
  • 19:52trauma. So the FAST exam,
  • 19:54you're gonna perform
  • 19:55with permalinear
  • 19:56or low frequency plates.
  • 19:59Alright. So there's two scanning
  • 20:01planes to be familiar with.
  • 20:03And there it's important because
  • 20:04we have convention in terms
  • 20:06of how we image
  • 20:11patients,
  • 20:12so that our pattern recognition
  • 20:13could be consistent with those
  • 20:14patients.
  • 20:16So we will use in
  • 20:17the long axis of the
  • 20:19sagittal or longitudinal
  • 20:20axis,
  • 20:21plane, we will use the
  • 20:23convention of having the indicator,
  • 20:24which is usually like a
  • 20:25little,
  • 20:27notch or line on the
  • 20:29probe itself
  • 20:31towards the head of the
  • 20:32patient.
  • 20:32So
  • 20:33the indicator always faces the
  • 20:35head
  • 20:36when we're,
  • 20:38doing a longitudinal access
  • 20:41scan. And this is gonna
  • 20:42correlate with the monitor this
  • 20:44way. You're gonna have head
  • 20:46here.
  • 20:47You're gonna have the top
  • 20:48part of the patient. You're
  • 20:50gonna have the bottom part
  • 20:50of the patient, and you're
  • 20:51gonna have feet.
  • 20:55And when we're doing the
  • 20:56transverse,
  • 21:00orientation,
  • 21:01the convention is always gonna
  • 21:03be for that indicator
  • 21:05to be to the right
  • 21:07of the body. So indicator
  • 21:09to the right,
  • 21:10again it's going to be
  • 21:11a little notch or some
  • 21:12sort of mark on
  • 21:14the right side of the
  • 21:15patient,
  • 21:16and these are almost like
  • 21:17your cross section,
  • 21:19your CT scan cross sections
  • 21:20where you have,
  • 21:22indicated to the right, you
  • 21:24have the right kidney
  • 21:25here,
  • 21:26and on the screen, the
  • 21:28right kidney is gonna appear,
  • 21:31as you're looking at the
  • 21:32screen, it's actually the the
  • 21:33left side of the screen,
  • 21:35but it's the right side
  • 21:36of the patient.
  • 21:39So
  • 21:41once you get this down
  • 21:42visually,
  • 21:43spatially in your in your
  • 21:45brain,
  • 21:46a a few times, it's
  • 21:48a very easy concept to
  • 21:49to tuck away.
  • 21:52And then we we will
  • 21:53use some scanning lingo. So
  • 21:55we will slide, rock, sweep,
  • 21:56and fan the probe.
  • 21:58Sliding means you're just bringing
  • 22:01the
  • 22:02transducer
  • 22:03back and forth along the
  • 22:05y axis or the the
  • 22:06long axis of a object.
  • 22:09And when you walk,
  • 22:11along this y axis line,
  • 22:13you would essentially keep the
  • 22:14hand still
  • 22:15and just sort of swivel
  • 22:18the probe
  • 22:19back and forth.
  • 22:20Right? Because remember the, image
  • 22:22that we're gonna generate is
  • 22:23gonna have to do with
  • 22:24the how
  • 22:26perpendicular, how straight that ultrasound
  • 22:28beam is to a certain
  • 22:29structure. So you may have
  • 22:31a gallbladder,
  • 22:32for example, just put in
  • 22:33an example. You may have
  • 22:34a gallbladder here,
  • 22:36but if you don't rock
  • 22:37the probe
  • 22:38just right
  • 22:39to have it,
  • 22:41perpendicular, you're not gonna see
  • 22:43it. It's not that it's
  • 22:44not there, it's
  • 22:46right there nearby hiding out.
  • 22:48But sometimes some small motions
  • 22:51of the hand with with
  • 22:52these maneuvers
  • 22:53is what you need to
  • 22:54do in order to get
  • 22:55a good image on your
  • 22:56screen.
  • 22:56So we have, the sliding
  • 22:59and and the rocking, which
  • 23:00is,
  • 23:01essentially along
  • 23:03the,
  • 23:04a y axis plane or
  • 23:05longitudinal axis plane. And then,
  • 23:08sweeping would be in short
  • 23:10access. So say you have
  • 23:11a say you have a
  • 23:12a blood vessel here, and
  • 23:14it's you're you're sort of
  • 23:15forcing the probe. You're sweeping
  • 23:17all the way up and
  • 23:18down the vessel
  • 23:19to see it in its
  • 23:20entirety.
  • 23:21And on the screen, you're
  • 23:22actually gonna see it as
  • 23:23a circle
  • 23:24when you're when you're imaging
  • 23:26the vessel,
  • 23:27the representative is typically going
  • 23:29this way,
  • 23:30and you're gonna see circle,
  • 23:32circle, circle on the screen
  • 23:35as you sweep up and
  • 23:36down. And then fanning, we
  • 23:37do a lot of fanning
  • 23:38with our our FAST exams.
  • 23:40So, again, the the it's
  • 23:41a swivel motion
  • 23:42in the short access,
  • 23:44cut
  • 23:45with,
  • 23:46the the essentially, your your
  • 23:48hand isn't moving up or
  • 23:49down on the patient's body.
  • 23:51Your hand is staying still,
  • 23:52then you're sort of fanning
  • 23:54or rotating like this, rotating
  • 23:56the fold.
  • 24:00Down. So get a good
  • 24:02look at that at that
  • 24:03structure that we're interested in.
  • 24:07Alright. So let's look at
  • 24:08this,
  • 24:09another way. So you have,
  • 24:11your indicators, which have a
  • 24:12notch. Our our probes have
  • 24:14a a t notch.
  • 24:16And when we image,
  • 24:18an individual in a transverse
  • 24:20plane or the short axis
  • 24:21plane,
  • 24:22the indicator is gonna point
  • 24:24towards the right of the
  • 24:25patient, which is here in
  • 24:26this gingerbread line, the right
  • 24:28of the patient.
  • 24:29And you're gonna actually see
  • 24:30the indicator,
  • 24:33appear
  • 24:34on the left side of
  • 24:35the screen as you're looking
  • 24:36at the screen.
  • 24:37So this is a convention
  • 24:39for transverse. You have a
  • 24:41fluid filled structure with
  • 24:43a balloon catheter inside of
  • 24:45it. This is a child
  • 24:46with urine retention that had
  • 24:47to have a fully, catheter
  • 24:49placed, and that's what the
  • 24:51bladder would look like in
  • 24:52in transverse orientation
  • 24:54with the indicator towards the
  • 24:55patient right. And if we're
  • 24:56gonna image it in longitudinal
  • 24:58access,
  • 25:00longitudinal orientation,
  • 25:01the indicator is gonna go
  • 25:03to the patient's head. So
  • 25:04the indicator, the notch, is
  • 25:06gonna point towards the head
  • 25:07of the patient.
  • 25:09On the screen, it's gonna
  • 25:10appear,
  • 25:12a little circle on the
  • 25:13left side of the screen
  • 25:14as you're looking at the
  • 25:15screen.
  • 25:16And the image itself, you're
  • 25:17gonna have
  • 25:19ladder
  • 25:20and then fully balloon calculator
  • 25:22right there. So, that's just
  • 25:24the convention,
  • 25:25and that's how you're gonna
  • 25:26keep this little mark,
  • 25:29on the screen.
  • 25:31Just general sense of awareness
  • 25:32so that, you know, that,
  • 25:33if things are converted, you're
  • 25:35it's likely that your flow
  • 25:36is
  • 25:37turned
  • 25:38a hundred eighty degrees by
  • 25:39accident.
  • 25:41Now in terms of positioning,
  • 25:42this is a pretty easy
  • 25:43concept to
  • 25:45understand.
  • 25:46Structures that are
  • 25:47closer to the probe are
  • 25:49gonna appear higher on the
  • 25:51screen.
  • 25:52So in in this case,
  • 25:54we have liver
  • 25:56here in front of kidney,
  • 25:57and here's your liver,
  • 25:59this view. And that's, closer
  • 26:01to the top of the
  • 26:02screen, whereas you have a
  • 26:03kidney that's more posterior,
  • 26:05and the kidney
  • 26:07is
  • 26:08here.
  • 26:13If you can read that
  • 26:14handwriting.
  • 26:15So,
  • 26:16position on the monitor has
  • 26:17to do with how close
  • 26:18an object is to the
  • 26:20probe, top of the screen,
  • 26:21closer to the probe.
  • 26:24Alright. So the gain is
  • 26:26going to be an important,
  • 26:28function that you're gonna familiarize
  • 26:30yourself with so you can
  • 26:32become comfortable with how to
  • 26:34adjust it when you're doing
  • 26:35scans and how to interpret
  • 26:36images. So think about gain
  • 26:38as the volume
  • 26:39of,
  • 26:42of your ultrasound,
  • 26:44I guess, globally. So if
  • 26:45the gain if the volume
  • 26:46is turned up too high,
  • 26:48everything is gonna appear very
  • 26:50bright on the screen. Whereas
  • 26:52if the gain is too
  • 26:53low, if the volume is
  • 26:54turned down, everything is gonna
  • 26:56appear too dark. And this
  • 26:58is gonna affect your image
  • 27:00quality, and it's gonna affect
  • 27:02your ability to interpret images.
  • 27:03So,
  • 27:04on the first one, the
  • 27:06game's a little high in
  • 27:07that clip there with the,
  • 27:10kidney over here,
  • 27:12and this actually looks like
  • 27:14spleen over here. And this
  • 27:17entire area here is is
  • 27:19fairly bright. So
  • 27:21in terms of assessing for
  • 27:22fluid collecting in that space
  • 27:24and sometimes we look for
  • 27:25or not sometimes, we we
  • 27:27wanna look for fluoro fusions
  • 27:28when we do these FAST
  • 27:29exams.
  • 27:30You you're gonna wanna have,
  • 27:33just a slight adjustment of
  • 27:34the gain here just to
  • 27:35avoid all this bright artifacts
  • 27:37down here.
  • 27:39Conversely,
  • 27:40we have a,
  • 27:42a child here, a patient
  • 27:43with concern for, like, the
  • 27:46hip diffusion, fluid collection. And
  • 27:48if you're just looking at
  • 27:49this area here, it looks
  • 27:50kinda dark, and that's where
  • 27:51we would teach to look
  • 27:53for fluid,
  • 27:54to collect.
  • 27:55But this is actually an
  • 27:56operator error, not even operator
  • 27:58error, machine error, however you
  • 27:59wanna call it, false error,
  • 28:01it would be a false
  • 28:02positive.
  • 28:04This this is a case
  • 28:05where the gain is just
  • 28:06too low. You have to
  • 28:07increase the gain to be
  • 28:08able to distinguish the the
  • 28:10the tissue here is actually
  • 28:11normal appearing relative to the
  • 28:14the hip flexion muscle over
  • 28:15here. This is the
  • 28:17hip bone over here.
  • 28:19So,
  • 28:20this is,
  • 28:21learning for another day, but
  • 28:23gain too high is not
  • 28:24helpful and gain too low
  • 28:26also,
  • 28:27is a potential problem.
  • 28:29Yep. Depth also is another
  • 28:31big one. So here's a
  • 28:33patient with
  • 28:35erylocolic intussusception,
  • 28:37on the,
  • 28:39the first image with a
  • 28:40linear with a linear probe.
  • 28:42You have a depth set
  • 28:43at nine centimeters. So how
  • 28:45do I know it's nine
  • 28:45centimeters? Well, every hash mark
  • 28:47is a centimeter. So one,
  • 28:49two three
  • 28:51four
  • 28:51five six, and it comes
  • 28:53down here to to nine.
  • 28:55So you have a very
  • 28:56end instinct structure there. It
  • 28:57just looks like there's something
  • 28:59wrong, and it's really hard
  • 29:00to make a a judgment
  • 29:02call
  • 29:03as to what that could
  • 29:04be.
  • 29:06When the depth is adjusted
  • 29:08here to four centimeters, you
  • 29:09have a much more crisp
  • 29:11appearing
  • 29:12target sign where this is
  • 29:14ilium
  • 29:15here,
  • 29:15and this is the outer
  • 29:16wall of the ceta
  • 29:18here. There's your target,
  • 29:21more than two and a
  • 29:22half centimeters
  • 29:23in terms of, a tube
  • 29:24diameter. So this is iliopollicant
  • 29:26dissection,
  • 29:28which could easily be missed
  • 29:29if you're looking at an,
  • 29:33at not the appropriate depth
  • 29:35setting.
  • 29:37Alright. And color doppler is
  • 29:39a really important function that
  • 29:41we're gonna use all the
  • 29:42time,
  • 29:44when we're doing scans. So,
  • 29:46essentially,
  • 29:47you have
  • 29:50a application where the ultrasound
  • 29:52can detect flow.
  • 29:56So the the
  • 29:58the important thing to remember
  • 30:00is that here in in
  • 30:01this first,
  • 30:02image,
  • 30:04right here,
  • 30:06we have a pulsating vessel.
  • 30:08Right? So
  • 30:09the reason it appears blue
  • 30:11is because the appearance of
  • 30:12blue in ultrasound is flow
  • 30:14away from the transducer. Whereas
  • 30:16flow
  • 30:17to the transducer is gonna
  • 30:19appear as red. So even
  • 30:20this is an arterial structure,
  • 30:22it's a, vagal artery in
  • 30:24this case,
  • 30:26The the appearance of the,
  • 30:31filling
  • 30:32of that lumen
  • 30:33is blue because the probe
  • 30:35is slightly twisted away. So
  • 30:38if I have, a vessel
  • 30:40here
  • 30:41and I'm looking at it
  • 30:43with my probe this way,
  • 30:46if I'm tilted that way,
  • 30:47you may have a blue
  • 30:48appearance. Whereas if I'm twisting
  • 30:51this way
  • 30:53and,
  • 30:54the artery is coming from
  • 30:55where my wrist, the placenta
  • 30:56that's coming from my wrist
  • 30:57is, then it's gonna appear
  • 30:59red.
  • 31:01Blue,
  • 31:04red,
  • 31:05but it's essentially the same
  • 31:06vessel.
  • 31:08And,
  • 31:09so, so that's an important
  • 31:10concept to
  • 31:12be aware of.
  • 31:13And,
  • 31:14we also use color Doppler
  • 31:16flow for inflammation. So,
  • 31:18hyperlamia
  • 31:19is a common finding,
  • 31:21when there's inflammatory
  • 31:23to tissues and pathology.
  • 31:25This is a an example
  • 31:26of hyperremia around,
  • 31:29a somewhat ill defined appendix
  • 31:31actually on this one clip
  • 31:32here.
  • 31:34But this is the partial
  • 31:35wall of an appendix that,
  • 31:37was in a patient with
  • 31:38acute appendicitis.
  • 31:39So detection of inflammation,
  • 31:42and then also detect detection
  • 31:44of flow
  • 31:45to
  • 31:47or away from that transfusion.
  • 31:51Okay. We're gonna do some
  • 31:52quick hits to finish off
  • 31:54here for shadowing. So we
  • 31:55have,
  • 31:57acoustic shadowing, which is an
  • 31:59artifact,
  • 32:00that's caused by
  • 32:02failure of a sound beam
  • 32:03to pass through a certain
  • 32:04tissue. So in still clip
  • 32:06number one,
  • 32:08we have acoustics
  • 32:09shadowing because there's gallstones in
  • 32:12the gallbladder.
  • 32:13So you have ultrasound coming
  • 32:14here, political structure, gallstones there,
  • 32:17and then this
  • 32:20dark defect behind the gallstone
  • 32:22here is, an acoustic shadowing
  • 32:24phenomenon.
  • 32:26Not to be concerned with
  • 32:28not to be confused, sorry,
  • 32:29with edge artifact,
  • 32:31which you're seeing right next
  • 32:32to the bellow data there.
  • 32:35And, probably a little slightly
  • 32:36better, more clear example,
  • 32:38would be a heel foreign
  • 32:40body. So
  • 32:41you have a splinter here
  • 32:42that's a little bit bright,
  • 32:44and then you give off
  • 32:45this complete shadow artifact. So
  • 32:47that's,
  • 32:48acoustic shadowing, which is an
  • 32:49important,
  • 32:51oops, an artifact,
  • 32:53that we use to interpret
  • 32:54our images.
  • 32:56The next important artifact,
  • 32:58to talk about is mirror
  • 32:59imaging artifact, which is a
  • 33:01normal,
  • 33:03finding,
  • 33:04most of the time.
  • 33:05So,
  • 33:07this artifact is created when
  • 33:09you have a
  • 33:10curved
  • 33:12structure, which is a stronger
  • 33:15reflector of ultrasound relative to
  • 33:16the object that's informative. So
  • 33:18on the FAST exam,
  • 33:20you have typically spleen or
  • 33:21liver here.
  • 33:23Your stronger reflector
  • 33:25curved object is the diaphragm
  • 33:29there. And given the difference
  • 33:31in the
  • 33:33tissue interface,
  • 33:34you have the appearance
  • 33:36of liver,
  • 33:38a man's own artifact.
  • 33:39But it's really just a
  • 33:40mirror imaging artifact that's created,
  • 33:43which is useful to know
  • 33:44because if you have a
  • 33:45pleural effusion or hemothorax,
  • 33:48this is all gonna look
  • 33:50dark over here. So instead
  • 33:52of the mirror imaging,
  • 33:54what you're likely to see
  • 33:56is
  • 33:57a complete,
  • 33:59anechoic hypochial fluid collection there,
  • 34:02in in in a portion
  • 34:04of the plant. So,
  • 34:08near imaging artifact.
  • 34:09And another example
  • 34:11potentially
  • 34:12would be,
  • 34:13say a scalp hematoma. So,
  • 34:16here we have bone.
  • 34:19It's a strong reflector.
  • 34:21It's curved because it's the
  • 34:23skull. It's the scalp.
  • 34:25And this is your scalp
  • 34:26hematoma
  • 34:28hematoma.
  • 34:29So that's just, those,
  • 34:32injuries that we see with
  • 34:33kids all the time. So
  • 34:35this appearance here
  • 34:37is not an epidural or
  • 34:39a subdural or a subcranial
  • 34:40intracranial bleed, but it's rather
  • 34:43a reflection
  • 34:44of the synchrotum behind the
  • 34:45bone, near imaging artifact,
  • 34:48that you will need to
  • 34:49recognize
  • 34:51when you're doing the scans.
  • 34:53Here we have posterior
  • 34:55acoustic enhancement, which is a
  • 34:57bright or hypoelectronic
  • 34:58appearance.
  • 34:59At the posterior or far
  • 35:01side of a cystic fluid
  • 35:02fluid structure due to the
  • 35:03lack of attenuation of ultrasound
  • 35:05beam,
  • 35:07So you have a bladder
  • 35:08here, and the posterior wall
  • 35:10appears very bright
  • 35:12due to posterior acoustic enhancement.
  • 35:14It's not any different consistency,
  • 35:18in terms of the wall
  • 35:19there relative to the lateral
  • 35:21side
  • 35:22or the anterior side. But
  • 35:23it just looks so much
  • 35:24brighter because of the ultrasound
  • 35:26transmission
  • 35:27through that
  • 35:28through the filth bladder. And
  • 35:29it's important, again, because of
  • 35:32the possibility
  • 35:33for, mispathology.
  • 35:35So if you're doing a
  • 35:36FAST exam and everything looks
  • 35:39very, very bright behind the
  • 35:40bladder, you may miss
  • 35:43free fluid. You
  • 35:45may miss free fluid behind
  • 35:47the bladder, so just be
  • 35:48cognizant
  • 35:49of this artifact and adjust
  • 35:51your gain accordingly.
  • 35:54Okay. And two more quick
  • 35:55ones. So reverberation artifact, very
  • 35:57important when we're scanning the
  • 35:59lung, very important when we're
  • 36:00looking at peripheral bodies.
  • 36:02These are equidistant horizontal lines
  • 36:04that tend to decrease in
  • 36:05intensity on the monitor.
  • 36:07It has to do with,
  • 36:09reflection
  • 36:10or reverberation of echoes to
  • 36:12and,
  • 36:14from the the probe. So
  • 36:16in this case, we have
  • 36:17the probe
  • 36:18here,
  • 36:20and we're looking at oh,
  • 36:22this lung tissue. This is
  • 36:23the pleura.
  • 36:24So this is an a
  • 36:25line here,
  • 36:27and this is a a
  • 36:28line
  • 36:29here.
  • 36:32And you can see the
  • 36:32distance between this
  • 36:36and this is the same,
  • 36:39which is also,
  • 36:40similar to the distance between
  • 36:41the exact actually, precisely the
  • 36:43distance from the probe to
  • 36:44when the ultrasound beam hits
  • 36:46the probe.
  • 36:47So normal filled air, a
  • 36:50lines are good, a okay.
  • 36:52This is the type of,
  • 36:53reverberation artifact that we
  • 36:56assume
  • 36:57or that we should be
  • 36:59seeing when there is healthy
  • 37:00lung tissue without any problems
  • 37:02you're feeling.
  • 37:04Okay. And here's another example
  • 37:06of reverberation
  • 37:07artifact,
  • 37:08sometimes called ring down artifact
  • 37:10or comet tail artifact.
  • 37:12And,
  • 37:12this has to do with,
  • 37:15essentially,
  • 37:17the interface of the
  • 37:19the object where the sun
  • 37:21beams are stuck reverberating back
  • 37:23and forth,
  • 37:24which creates
  • 37:26a a deep dive,
  • 37:28vertically
  • 37:28on on the screen.
  • 37:31So here is,
  • 37:32an IJ in terms of
  • 37:33jugular vein, and then you
  • 37:35have a,
  • 37:36presumably,
  • 37:38a needle here that's coming
  • 37:39towards the the lumen of
  • 37:41that vein.
  • 37:42So the the needle itself
  • 37:44has,
  • 37:46two metallic portions. Right? It
  • 37:47has the anterior portion and
  • 37:49the posterior portion.
  • 37:50So what ends up happening
  • 37:51is that ultrasound beam gets
  • 37:53trapped between the two parts
  • 37:55of that needle, metallic,
  • 37:57tip. And it's gonna create
  • 37:59these sort of repented,
  • 38:02vertical
  • 38:03reverberation
  • 38:04dips. So it's gonna pass
  • 38:06this to a little bit
  • 38:08into the bottom of this
  • 38:09one. So unlike unlike just
  • 38:11the the a lines that
  • 38:12are separated,
  • 38:14by the distance of the
  • 38:15probe to the cora,
  • 38:16this is more of a,
  • 38:18persistent
  • 38:19ping pong effect within the
  • 38:21lumen of that
  • 38:23needle,
  • 38:24causing a a a vertical
  • 38:26dive,
  • 38:27and and you would expect
  • 38:29to see a
  • 38:31a wind down appearance on
  • 38:32the screen.
  • 38:35Alright. So we've made it
  • 38:36to the end,
  • 38:38and I thank you for
  • 38:39sticking,
  • 38:41through,
  • 38:42the the lecture.
  • 38:44The recap, how how are
  • 38:45you gonna get good interviews?
  • 38:46A lot of it is
  • 38:47gonna be practice, practice, practice,
  • 38:49and more practice.
  • 38:52But you're gonna,
  • 38:53employ
  • 38:54some of the, important concepts
  • 38:56and and understanding of physics
  • 38:58that,
  • 38:59we've gone through in some
  • 39:00of these slides. You're gonna
  • 39:02pick a good probe
  • 39:03because,
  • 39:04choosing the right probe is
  • 39:05sometimes half the battle for
  • 39:07for
  • 39:08the application that you're you're
  • 39:09trying to achieve.
  • 39:12Use good windows. Use fluid
  • 39:14filled structures to see objects
  • 39:15that are behind them.
  • 39:17Identify landmarks. A lot of
  • 39:19what we do is pattern
  • 39:20recognition. So if you don't
  • 39:21start with good landmark identification,
  • 39:24you're sort of going on
  • 39:25a fishing expedition to some
  • 39:27extent.
  • 39:29Adjust the depth. We don't
  • 39:30want any wasted space on
  • 39:31the screen, so we want
  • 39:33to
  • 39:34maximize your
  • 39:35object of interest and make
  • 39:37it, as big as possible,
  • 39:40without losing any of the
  • 39:42important detail behind it.
  • 39:45Get to know your machine
  • 39:46with different,
  • 39:48settings,
  • 39:49even within a single hospital
  • 39:51are gonna,
  • 39:52have, different machines with different
  • 39:54knobs.
  • 39:55And so part of being
  • 39:56able to be a good
  • 39:57zonologist
  • 39:59or a good clinician who
  • 40:00would employ protecate ultrasound
  • 40:02to help care for your
  • 40:03patients is,
  • 40:05getting really comfortable and not
  • 40:07having to sort of fiddle
  • 40:08with the machine if you're
  • 40:09there in vivo,
  • 40:13caring for for kids and
  • 40:14and their families.
  • 40:15And and and that's it.
  • 40:19Your friendly PEM focus team
  • 40:21consists of myself,
  • 40:23Emily Chen,
  • 40:24and Julie Levener, and we'll
  • 40:26be doing the scanning shift
  • 40:27sessions together.
  • 40:29And we're excited for this
  • 40:30opportunity,
  • 40:31to augment your experience.
  • 40:33We do realize this is
  • 40:34an optional commitment,
  • 40:36on your behalf. So with
  • 40:38that in mind,
  • 40:39we're going to
  • 40:41provide
  • 40:42an extra fruitful experience, we
  • 40:44hope,
  • 40:46when we're when we spend,
  • 40:48time together on these damageships.
  • 40:51So the
  • 40:53sign up sheet, will be
  • 40:55updated quarterly. And,
  • 40:58right now with, COVID, we're
  • 40:59only limiting to one, maybe
  • 41:01two
  • 41:02rotators,
  • 41:03today.
  • 41:05But, there's no limit. We
  • 41:07can do,
  • 41:08certainly if you're interested,
  • 41:10multiple,
  • 41:10scanning shifts with us throughout
  • 41:12the academic year.
  • 41:14And so see you soon,
  • 41:16and thanks for listening.