Achieving Digital Health Equity: Is it a "One-Size-Fits-All' Approach or Personalized Patient Experience?
July 11, 2023Panelists: Elizabeth Krupinski, PhD, FSPIE, FSIIM, FATA, FAIMBE (moderator); Priya Bathija, JD, MHSA; Jorge Rodriguez, MD; Tara Sklar, JD, MPH
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- 00:00And I'm going to welcome in our next panel,
- 00:03Panel 2, which is going to be moderated
- 00:06by Doctor Elizabeth Krupinski on
- 00:08achieving digital HealthEquity.
- 00:10Is it A1 size fits all approach or
- 00:12personalized patient experience?
- 00:14And just a brief word about Doctor Krupinski,
- 00:17who I've known now for several years
- 00:19and professor and Vice Chair for
- 00:21Research in the Department of Radiology
- 00:23and Imaging Sciences at Emory.
- 00:25She's an experimental psychologist
- 00:26who has thought a lot about.
- 00:29Decision making and image perception,
- 00:32you know, thinking about how
- 00:33human factors pertain to the,
- 00:36the activity of the of the provider and
- 00:40I think is going to lead us in a really
- 00:42interesting conversation on this topic.
- 00:44So with that, let me turn it over to
- 00:46Elizabeth and have you take the floor.
- 00:48Great. Thank you very much.
- 00:50That's a great session and.
- 00:53I think we got a really exciting
- 00:54one coming up now as well.
- 00:56As Lee said, this is all about
- 00:58achieving digital HealthEquity. Now.
- 01:00You know what's the rationale for this,
- 01:02this session in this conference?
- 01:03Well, as was noted,
- 01:05COVID saw this huge increase in the use
- 01:09of digital health supporting its utility,
- 01:12its benefits.
- 01:13It revealed a lot about what
- 01:15is feasible and you know,
- 01:17people were engaged in it and and
- 01:19doing telemedicine and we really
- 01:21saw where it can be of help.
- 01:23The problem is,
- 01:24although it's appropriate in many,
- 01:26many specialties,
- 01:28what COVID did unfortunately was
- 01:30also unfortunately reveal what the
- 01:33limitations and gaps are that we still
- 01:35have to face and one of the biggest
- 01:38gaps that really became quite evident
- 01:40and sometimes in surprising ways.
- 01:43Was that there's significant digital
- 01:46HealthEquity issues and so this panel
- 01:49is going to discuss 3 aspects of
- 01:52issues and solutions to some real
- 01:55live digital HealthEquity issues
- 01:58using real case examples and we
- 02:01brought together 3 awesome people.
- 02:03And I'm just going to do very
- 02:05quick introductions and then we'll
- 02:06get into the presentation.
- 02:07So our first speaker is going
- 02:09to be Jorge Rodriguez,
- 02:10a physician from Harvard University.
- 02:13He's an instructor there,
- 02:15clinician investigator interested
- 02:17in exploring bridging the digital
- 02:19divide in healthcare.
- 02:21He's currently funded by the NIH to
- 02:24study technology equity especially.
- 02:27Extending telemedicine to Latino
- 02:29patients with type 2 diabetes.
- 02:31So he is going to start out giving
- 02:33us an introduction to what the
- 02:35domains of HealthEquity are.
- 02:37You know the term gets thrown around a lot.
- 02:40What is HealthEquity?
- 02:41What is digital equity?
- 02:42And so he's going to really give us the
- 02:44domains and talk about some specific,
- 02:46ample examples of what HealthEquity
- 02:49really is all about.
- 02:52Then we're going to hear from Priya.
- 02:54Buthesia,
- 02:54she is a lawyer from Loyola University
- 02:57and she is also the vice president
- 03:00of strategic initiatives at the
- 03:02American Hospital Association.
- 03:04And she has basically looked
- 03:06at years designing,
- 03:07implementing growing initiatives
- 03:09that help people basically lead
- 03:11healthier lives and how do we
- 03:14integrate technology into all of that
- 03:16and to address their social needs.
- 03:18Then finally, we're going to hear
- 03:19from Tara Sklar, another lawyer
- 03:21from the University of Arizona,
- 03:23where she is a professor and director
- 03:25of Health Law and Policy Program.
- 03:28She's also the senior advisor in
- 03:30the Telehealth Law and Policy for
- 03:32the Arizona Telemedicine Program
- 03:34and innovations in Healthy Aging.
- 03:36And she looks at legal and regulatory and
- 03:39ethical issues that arise from, you know,
- 03:42adopting technology into aging populations,
- 03:45health populations, and so on.
- 03:47So without further ado, I'm gonna
- 03:49turn it over to Jorge and then each,
- 03:52the speaker's just gonna hand
- 03:53it off to the next one.
- 03:55And then at the end, if we have time,
- 03:57we're gonna open it up for some discussion.
- 03:59So it's all yours, Jorge.
- 04:01Great. Thank you so much.
- 04:02Thank you everyone for the invitation and
- 04:04I'm really excited to speak with you all.
- 04:07Today we can move to the next slide here.
- 04:10I'm hoping that you know over the next
- 04:1210 minutes or so as we chat here,
- 04:13you'll probably take away three things.
- 04:15One, think about how to
- 04:17define Digital HealthEquity.
- 04:18Two, why are we even talking about this now?
- 04:20And three, hopefully spend most of our
- 04:22time discussing how do we actually go
- 04:24about achieving Digital HealthEquity.
- 04:25You move to the next line.
- 04:27And when I think about digital HealthEquity,
- 04:28I like to think about in the context
- 04:30of everyone having a fair and just
- 04:32opportunity to engage with and
- 04:34benefit from a digital health tools.
- 04:36This is borrowed from a HealthEquity
- 04:38definition which defines this at the
- 04:40medical level to say everyone should
- 04:42have a fair and just opportunity
- 04:43to benefit from medical care.
- 04:45In this case,
- 04:46we're using digital health tools
- 04:47and when I talk about digital
- 04:49health tools to the next slide.
- 04:51I primarily talk about a lot
- 04:53of patient facing things,
- 04:54so things like mobile health apps,
- 04:55patient portals,
- 04:56remote monitoring,
- 04:58telehealth texting solutions,
- 04:59it kind of goes on and on.
- 05:00But things were we're having a being
- 05:03discussed in the prior panel that that
- 05:06relationship with patients and technology
- 05:08facilitating that that aspect of it.
- 05:10We can move to the next slide.
- 05:12And so why are we talking about this now?
- 05:14We've,
- 05:14you know,
- 05:14it's been wonderfully set up in the
- 05:16prior discussion around the the rise of
- 05:19telehealth over the past two to three years.
- 05:21In addition to that,
- 05:22you know,
- 05:23we had the,
- 05:23you know during vaccine deployment
- 05:25we often relied on online based
- 05:26scheduling tools and that kind
- 05:28of brought to the forefront that
- 05:30certain populations just didn't
- 05:31have access to the Internet.
- 05:33And these are often the populations
- 05:35that were more most significantly
- 05:37affected by the COVID by COVID-19 and
- 05:39the third one and perhaps you know,
- 05:41slightly less.
- 05:42Let's discuss is the enactment of
- 05:44the 21st Century Cures Act which
- 05:46really put into place a law that
- 05:48empowered patients and and and made
- 05:50it so that patients had easier access
- 05:53to their to their healthcare data.
- 05:55So really encourage patients to now
- 05:57and you know interact with their
- 05:58healthcare data and of course that
- 06:00requires going online and a couple
- 06:02of the other things that we we'll
- 06:04get to and the rest of the time we
- 06:06have together here and so but when
- 06:08you think about this even before the
- 06:09pandemic a lot of these challenges
- 06:11that we talked about in the.
- 06:12Visual HealthEquity space, we're there.
- 06:14If you think about high tech act and
- 06:16the development of patient portals,
- 06:17for example,
- 06:18if you look at the early patient
- 06:20portal literature,
- 06:20you find a lot of gaps in terms of
- 06:22who is using and accessing these
- 06:24tools by marginalized populations.
- 06:25So it's not surprising that in
- 06:28our next slide.
- 06:29We had this come up during this is,
- 06:32this is data from early on in the
- 06:34pandemic from our organization
- 06:35where we saw significant disparities
- 06:36in the use of video visits
- 06:38amongst marginalized population.
- 06:40So we sort of saw this coming
- 06:41a little bit, but I think,
- 06:43you know I think this really gives
- 06:44us an opportunity now that we're
- 06:45sort of really committing to this
- 06:47effort to say how can we reimagine this,
- 06:49how do we go about next slide
- 06:53achieving digital HealthEquity.
- 06:55So, so that's, that's what I'm
- 06:57hoping to spend the rest of the
- 06:58rest of the time on here today.
- 07:00And so when I think about Digital
- 07:01HealthEquity, I primarily think about
- 07:03it across 5 domains, next slide.
- 07:06And those domains are technology.
- 07:07And it's it's just like there's a lot of,
- 07:09there's a lot of meat here.
- 07:10So just I'm going to try to hit
- 07:12on each of them briefly here,
- 07:13but technology, access, technology,
- 07:15literacy, implementation policy
- 07:17and standard of care next slide.
- 07:20Technology access is the one that
- 07:22everyone kind of thinks about, right?
- 07:23Classically, the digital divide,
- 07:24those who have access to the
- 07:26Internet and those who who do not.
- 07:28But there's a lot more there, right?
- 07:29There's a whole discussion around broadband
- 07:32infrastructure and who had that actual,
- 07:34you know,
- 07:35Internet lines or Wi-Fi
- 07:36signal getting to their home.
- 07:37That's a whole discussion there.
- 07:39There's also the components of
- 07:40not only having that reach your
- 07:42home or reach your device,
- 07:43but are you now able to afford it?
- 07:44Are you able to afford the broadband,
- 07:46afford the device?
- 07:47And then the other poke piece I'll
- 07:48get to a little bit later is the
- 07:50role of the healthcare system in
- 07:51serving as a as a as a touch point
- 07:53to say are we going to screen
- 07:55for these things and then refer
- 07:57to the appropriate resources.
- 07:58And then one that I I haven't
- 08:00noted in the slide here,
- 08:01but I think it's super important.
- 08:02It's more of a structural component
- 08:04here and this is where the role
- 08:06of digital redlining or digital
- 08:08discrimination comes into play.
- 08:09And for those,
- 08:10for those not in the know,
- 08:11digital redlining and build discrimination
- 08:13refers to a practice by Internet
- 08:15service providers in which they kind
- 08:17of deploy their Internet services in
- 08:19ways that disadvantage certain groups.
- 08:21So in a sort of a simple example
- 08:23would be there are certain areas
- 08:25where deploying very slow speed
- 08:26Internet at high cost.
- 08:28Or or they say they're
- 08:29offering a plan that's like,
- 08:30you know,
- 08:31$50.00 a month across a
- 08:33whole geographic area,
- 08:34but in certain areas are
- 08:35slowing the speeds down.
- 08:36So it's not the fact that no one's
- 08:38actually getting the same Internet
- 08:39speed and they're kind of making
- 08:41these choices and that's often called
- 08:42digital redlining or cheer Flattening
- 08:44is another term that you might hear
- 08:45and this is more of a structural,
- 08:47structural piece of this.
- 08:49So that's about technology access next.
- 08:52But having having access to
- 08:53the Internet is one thing,
- 08:54being able to use it effectively is
- 08:57another when you have it in your hand.
- 08:59And so in the next line,
- 09:01I sort of highlight three things I
- 09:03think about one, it's the platforms,
- 09:042, it's having a one-on-one support.
- 09:06And three,
- 09:07how do we work with community organizations.
- 09:09And in the next line,
- 09:10I'll tell you about one of my
- 09:12favorite studies, a simple study,
- 09:13but so good here was they took
- 09:16a series of patients,
- 09:17they gave him a chronic disease.
- 09:19Focus apps and they ask them to complete
- 09:21data entry and data retrieval tasks.
- 09:23And the patients were only able to
- 09:24complete about 50% of the tasks.
- 09:26So if you can imagine your favorite app,
- 09:27you know, I presume it's going
- 09:29to be a social media app.
- 09:30Let's say you're using Twitter
- 09:31or Instagram or something.
- 09:33If you're only able to post to it
- 09:34but not actually look at anything,
- 09:36it probably wouldn't be a very useful app.
- 09:37And so this isn't from a design perspective,
- 09:39this is the kind of environment
- 09:41our patients are seeing.
- 09:42And in the next slide.
- 09:44And so you sometimes,
- 09:45even if you designed the technology
- 09:47to be the best,
- 09:48you might need some extra
- 09:49support and extra help.
- 09:50And there's increasingly the use of
- 09:52digital health navigators to help people
- 09:54on board or use these technologies as
- 09:56new members of the healthcare team.
- 09:57We had a digital health navigator
- 09:59pilot that I was closely related to
- 10:01one of our primary care clinics where
- 10:03we reached out to around 400 patients
- 10:05trying to get them to enroll in the portal.
- 10:07We were able to contact most of them
- 10:10and then we enrolled about a third
- 10:12of them and then of those that we
- 10:15enrolled about 8080% or so actually
- 10:17logged into the portal again and
- 10:18that was our measure to say this
- 10:20one-on-one support really made a
- 10:21difference in in connecting patients
- 10:23with this new tool and making it part
- 10:25of the something that we're using
- 10:27over the long term in the next slide.
- 10:29I just sort of make the point that,
- 10:31you know, we often did.
- 10:32As we've kind of gone through this process,
- 10:33we've often been like,
- 10:34oh, wow,
- 10:34how are we going to teach
- 10:35patients how to do this?
- 10:36And digital literacy,
- 10:37really not unique to healthcare.
- 10:38There's a lot of folks in adult
- 10:40education and youth education that have
- 10:42been working on this for a long time,
- 10:44perhaps not in the context of health,
- 10:45but in the context of civic engagement,
- 10:47workforce development.
- 10:48There's a lot to learn from
- 10:50that from those folks too.
- 10:51So I think it's an opportunity
- 10:53for us to do that.
- 10:54And then the next line,
- 10:56we'll talk about
- 10:57implementation considerations.
- 10:58From an implementation standpoint,
- 11:01next slide also highlight three things here.
- 11:03One is fairly simple,
- 11:04looking at looking at your
- 11:06use across demographics,
- 11:08but the other thing is showing
- 11:09it to the right people,
- 11:10the people in leadership,
- 11:11so they can review these dashboards and say,
- 11:13hey, we just deployed this new digital tool.
- 11:15How can we go about, you know,
- 11:17we're noticing these gaps,
- 11:17what do we have to deploy
- 11:19to address those pieces?
- 11:20The second one is all around workflow.
- 11:22So you know,
- 11:23when we looked at some of the
- 11:24use of telehealth for example,
- 11:26we found that it wasn't just patient
- 11:27factors that were driving some of the
- 11:29disparities in telephone versus video.
- 11:31There's a lot of like clinic level factors,
- 11:34provider or clinician level factors.
- 11:35So having those workflows in place,
- 11:37for example, you know,
- 11:39easy way to include interpreters as
- 11:42part of like a telehealth visit,
- 11:44you know drives a big point in kind of.
- 11:49Thing that I often think about and and
- 11:50was were brought up a little bit in the
- 11:52previous panel was about privacy and trust.
- 11:54So if you go to the next slide
- 11:56when we talk to think about a lot
- 11:58of these things that are like they
- 11:59sound really great, right.
- 12:00They're like okay,
- 12:00we're going to you know monitor you remotely
- 12:02but for certain patients that you know
- 12:03if you think about it in a different way,
- 12:05it's like I'm looking at you remotely
- 12:06from afar when you're not maybe.
- 12:08And so making sure that as we're collecting
- 12:10this data which I think is great,
- 12:12we make sure that we're not sort of
- 12:14falling into the trap of some other
- 12:16technologies which have not been great with.
- 12:19Privacy and for certain marginalized
- 12:20populations like undocumented
- 12:21immigrants for example,
- 12:22we want to make sure that them accessing
- 12:24care through these tools doesn't bring
- 12:26up sort of other issues for them.
- 12:28So I think it's important for us to
- 12:30consider that those pieces as well.
- 12:31And then we go to the next,
- 12:32the next slide and the last part of
- 12:34it and the last part of this section
- 12:36is around engaging patients and
- 12:37families and we go to the next slide.
- 12:40And this one's about just creating
- 12:42multimodal care here.
- 12:43This is an experience from one of
- 12:44our digital health navigators.
- 12:46You talked to one patient who thought
- 12:47the portal was the best thing ever and
- 12:49you talked to another patient that was
- 12:51like I don't want to engage with this at all.
- 12:53And so there's some component of
- 12:54patient preference that comes into
- 12:55play and we have to build a system
- 12:57that not only allows for all these
- 12:58great you know technology tools for
- 13:00some for allows for non non digital
- 13:02options for those patients that may
- 13:04not want to use those use those tools.
- 13:06Next slide. And then we move to policy.
- 13:10In terms of policy,
- 13:11the main point here in the next
- 13:13slide is around the Infrastructure
- 13:14Investment in JOBS Act,
- 13:15which passed earlier this year
- 13:17and this was a whole as a whole
- 13:19section on digital equity.
- 13:20I think this is a real.
- 13:21You know,
- 13:22a real change to the foundation
- 13:23where we're starting from.
- 13:24It really takes a lot of the issues
- 13:26that we're facing in terms of
- 13:27technology access and literacy.
- 13:28It tries to take them away only
- 13:29from like all the healthcare,
- 13:30the hospital has to do something and
- 13:32brings them out into more like the
- 13:34public or the the kind of federal space.
- 13:35And I think it provides a lot
- 13:37of opportunities, for example,
- 13:38an Internet subsidy for patients that
- 13:40may not have access to the Internet.
- 13:42It provides money towards building
- 13:44out digital literacy programs,
- 13:45again working with community organizations.
- 13:47So I think this is a lot,
- 13:48a lot that's going to really push
- 13:50things forward and then the next.
- 13:51Slide from a healthcare organization
- 13:54standpoint, you know I think
- 13:55I'd highlight the main things.
- 13:56I think it's you know being able to
- 13:58refer patients to these programs.
- 13:59I think it's one big opportunity
- 14:01for healthcare organizations.
- 14:02The other one is serving as stakeholders
- 14:03and a lot of these discussions
- 14:05are on digital discriminations.
- 14:06As we collect more of these digital
- 14:08needs screening information,
- 14:09we're going to be able to tell
- 14:10which patients are struggling,
- 14:11which Internet service providers may
- 14:13not be providing the best service
- 14:14and we can have sort of advocate
- 14:16for our patients like if we're
- 14:17going to deploy our remote blood
- 14:19pressure monitoring tool and in a
- 14:20community that's being affected.
- 14:22By digital redlining or tear fattening,
- 14:24we're sort of fighting an
- 14:25uphill battle already there.
- 14:26So making sure that we're having
- 14:29those discussions up front.
- 14:30And then the next slide lastly is
- 14:33viewing this as standard of care.
- 14:34The main point I make here is that
- 14:36there's some data suggest that only
- 14:37certain patients are offered these
- 14:39tools and we as clinicians and
- 14:40provider pay a big role in kind of.
- 14:42Pushing this as like this is
- 14:43the way we're delivering care.
- 14:45At least let's have a conversation
- 14:46about it and I think making sure we
- 14:49don't make pre assumptions about who's
- 14:50going to use technology and who is not.
- 14:52And the last point I'll leave
- 14:54you with here is that, you know,
- 14:56I'm an informatician technophile,
- 14:57love technology,
- 14:58but we want to make sure that we
- 15:00keep our eye on the prize here.
- 15:01Our in the prize is digital
- 15:03HealthEquity to some extent,
- 15:04but only to the extent that it
- 15:05gets us to our ultimate goal,
- 15:06which is really, really HealthEquity.
- 15:09So with that, thank you so much for,
- 15:10for listening and I'll pass
- 15:11it on to my colleague.
- 15:13So much.
- 15:14Awesome. Thank you, Priya.
- 15:18Great. Thank you, Elizabeth.
- 15:20I'm really excited to be here
- 15:23today and happy that to be
- 15:25included as part of this panel.
- 15:27So today already we've had
- 15:29some really great analogies.
- 15:31I really love the shopping mall,
- 15:33one that carried through
- 15:34the previous session,
- 15:36but I'm going to start with 1-2 and
- 15:38if we could go to the next slide,
- 15:42Digital health solutions
- 15:43are not separate services,
- 15:44but they're rather tools for.
- 15:47Healthcare providers.
- 15:48So when a patient can't access
- 15:51broadband or technology or make
- 15:54use of these digital solutions,
- 15:57we're actually removing a
- 15:58powerful tool from the toolbox.
- 16:01So Can you imagine removing a stethoscope
- 16:04or an otoscope from the toolbox?
- 16:07We we can't write those tools are
- 16:10essential for care delivery and
- 16:12just like that making sure patients
- 16:14are able to access and understand.
- 16:16Mobile health apps,
- 16:18patient portals and telehealth,
- 16:20all of that is equally essential
- 16:22as a tool for healthcare delivery.
- 16:25Next slide,
- 16:27I'm going to spend some time
- 16:29discussing how we can ensure
- 16:31that that toolbox stays full.
- 16:33And I'll share with you 10
- 16:35strategies that can help improve
- 16:36digital HealthEquity and hopefully
- 16:38we'll be able to build on the
- 16:41examples that Jorge just.
- 16:42Shared,
- 16:42but I'll I'll include system level
- 16:45strategies that can help all the
- 16:47patients that you're serving as
- 16:49well as patient driven strategies
- 16:51that can be personalized for
- 16:54individual patients and communities.
- 16:56Let's get started. Next slide.
- 17:00At a system level healthcare providers and
- 17:03technology companies can commit to designing
- 17:06and implementing strategies in a way that
- 17:08all patients can access and understand.
- 17:11In addition, they should be committing to
- 17:14including Digital HealthEquity as part of the
- 17:17conversation not only in the design phase,
- 17:20but also in implementation
- 17:22and evaluation phases.
- 17:24I'll give one example here on Common
- 17:27Spirit has embedded HealthEquity and
- 17:29Digital HealthEquity into their strategy.
- 17:32So they actually include questions
- 17:34related to technology access and digital
- 17:37health literacy in the process that's
- 17:39designed to evaluate digital solutions.
- 17:42They then go beyond this to evaluate
- 17:44the use of technologies and I'll
- 17:46explain how in a few minutes.
- 17:49Next slide.
- 17:51In addition,
- 17:52another system level approach is to create a
- 17:55process that engages diverse patient voices.
- 17:58And that can include partnering with
- 18:01community based organizations that know
- 18:03the needs of your patients and communities.
- 18:05It can also include creating avenues
- 18:08for underrepresented patients,
- 18:10communities and providers to give
- 18:12feedback on whether digital solutions are
- 18:16actually accessible and understandable
- 18:18by your real patients and communities.
- 18:22One example that I've included here
- 18:23on the slide is that hospitals could
- 18:26engage moms with low health literacy.
- 18:28To understand their communication
- 18:30preferences and tailor services to meet
- 18:33their needs and build their trust during
- 18:36this important time of their life.
- 18:38Next slide,
- 18:40another system level solution is
- 18:43tracking patient engagement with
- 18:45digital tools to understand the
- 18:47patients and populations that are
- 18:49actually using these tools.
- 18:51So let's go back to the example
- 18:53I gave from Common Spirit.
- 18:55Common Spirit has implemented Docent Health.
- 18:58A program to provide culturally
- 19:01competent navigators to pregnant moms.
- 19:03These navigators are embedded in the
- 19:06communities that they're serving,
- 19:08and Common Spirit has analyzed the
- 19:11data around the use of this program.
- 19:14And then they take that data and
- 19:15they stratify it by race, ethnicity,
- 19:17and social vulnerability to determine
- 19:20which communities are actually
- 19:22engaging in docent health.
- 19:24So by doing this data analysis,
- 19:26they quickly knew who was using
- 19:28the solution and who wasn't.
- 19:30They were also able to identify
- 19:32that for some Spanish speaking
- 19:34populations in California,
- 19:36providing a Spanish speaking
- 19:38navigator wasn't enough.
- 19:40They actually had to provide a navigator
- 19:43that spoke the right dialect of
- 19:46Spanish for their particular community.
- 19:49Next slide.
- 19:50The last system level strategy
- 19:52that I'll share today is advocacy
- 19:54and Jorge touched on this,
- 19:56but it is important for all of us to
- 19:58be advocating for policies that allow
- 20:01patients to access digital health solutions.
- 20:04So in addition to what Jorge said,
- 20:06my former employer,
- 20:08the American Hospital Association,
- 20:10is currently advocating for
- 20:12investments in infrastructure.
- 20:14And that includes broadband access
- 20:16as well as increased federal funding
- 20:19coverage and reimbursement for
- 20:21the expanded use of telehealth and
- 20:24other technologies.
- 20:25So if you're looking at what advocacy
- 20:28can look like for your organization,
- 20:30you could join those efforts or address
- 20:33specific policy issues that are
- 20:36happening at your local or state level.
- 20:38Next slide,
- 20:39now I will move on to some patient
- 20:43driven strategies.
- 20:44One way to improve digital health
- 20:47access for individuals is to provide
- 20:50patients and physicians with technology.
- 20:52So here I provide an example from the
- 20:55University of Mississippi Medical Center.
- 20:57They launched a pilot
- 20:59program several years ago.
- 21:01It was a diabetes telehealth network
- 21:04and it provided patients that
- 21:06were participating in the program
- 21:08with tablet computers at no cost.
- 21:10Patients were then able to take and
- 21:12report their own vital signs daily,
- 21:14which led to improved patient outcomes,
- 21:17increased medication management and
- 21:19the patients were more willing to
- 21:21participate in telehealth visits.
- 21:23So I will note here that there are
- 21:26many federal and state laws that apply
- 21:28to giving technology to patients.
- 21:30So if this is a solution you
- 21:32are looking to pursue,
- 21:33I do strongly recommend that
- 21:35you consult with your legal team
- 21:38before providing any iPads or
- 21:40other technology to your patients.
- 21:42Next slide Healthcare providers can
- 21:46also proactively work with technology
- 21:48companies to select solutions
- 21:51that minimize barriers to access.
- 21:53So Boston Medical Center was
- 21:55seeking to find a solution provider
- 21:58that could remote provide remote
- 22:01patient monitoring solutions to
- 22:04improve postpartum hypertension.
- 22:06And they evaluated a number of different
- 22:09solutions and ultimately their team
- 22:12recognized that a majority of their
- 22:14patients had access to smartphones,
- 22:17but there was a divide in
- 22:19patient's ability to connect.
- 22:20So some patients didn't have a consistent.
- 22:23Consistent access to Wi-Fi or they
- 22:25didn't have a data plan that could
- 22:28be used to support a video framework.
- 22:31So as a result,
- 22:32Boston Medical Center selected
- 22:34a provider called Remedy that
- 22:36uses the local cellular network.
- 22:38And it has made the solution acceptable
- 22:40to not only those that have Wi-Fi,
- 22:43but anyone who has access to a smartphone.
- 22:47And healthcare providers and
- 22:48technology companies also sort
- 22:50of need to acknowledge that.
- 22:52Sometimes digital solutions are
- 22:54not the best path forward to
- 22:56meet patients where they are.
- 22:58One popular alternative is using
- 23:00text messages to provide information
- 23:03and an access point for patients to
- 23:06connect with healthcare providers.
- 23:08So we know people text, you know,
- 23:11check their text,
- 23:12and research indicates that 90% of
- 23:14text messages are read within 90
- 23:16seconds of when they are received.
- 23:19So texting can be a powerful way
- 23:21to reach patients with the right
- 23:24message at the right time.
- 23:26It can also be done in different languages
- 23:28and is relatively cost effective.
- 23:31It's also just a really nice
- 23:33interactive way to triage patient needs,
- 23:35provide timely information,
- 23:37and improve communication and
- 23:40engagement with patients.
- 23:42I'll also note here that there are
- 23:44privacy and other laws to consider
- 23:46with texting.
- 23:46So once again,
- 23:47engage your legal team if this is
- 23:50an approach that you'd like to take
- 23:53as you move forward. Next slide.
- 23:57Another strategy is to develop digital
- 24:00solutions that are linguistically and
- 24:02culturally sensitive and inclusive.
- 24:04So Providence uses Wildflower.
- 24:07Which provides information and resources
- 24:10to patients from pregnancy through delivery.
- 24:14And as we spoke with the individuals
- 24:16who helped design this solution,
- 24:18they realized quickly that they
- 24:20couldn't just change the language
- 24:22from English to Spanish to be able
- 24:24to adequately meet the needs of
- 24:26their Spanish speaking population.
- 24:28They actually needed to
- 24:29evaluate the functionality of
- 24:31the app and ask the question,
- 24:33how would a Spanish speaking
- 24:36individual approach this app?
- 24:38And as a result,
- 24:39they created a solution that considered
- 24:42those individuals cultures as well as how,
- 24:45when and where they would be
- 24:47using the app Next Slide.
- 24:51These solutions can also be
- 24:53tailored to meet the needs of
- 24:55those with lower digital literacy,
- 24:57so for example by using more videos,
- 25:00images, emojis and symbols.
- 25:02Providers can ensure patients,
- 25:05regardless of their literacy level,
- 25:07are able to access and understand
- 25:10the information next line.
- 25:13In addition,
- 25:14those with low digital literacy may
- 25:17also be afraid to use technology
- 25:19or to trust their providers.
- 25:21So to address these concerns,
- 25:24healthcare providers can offer
- 25:25training and offer to support their
- 25:28patients throughout the process.
- 25:30One example,
- 25:31Oschner Health launched an OBAR
- 25:34many years ago and that OBAR
- 25:37carries physician recommended
- 25:38digital products and is staffed by
- 25:41a full time technology specialist
- 25:43that can help patients choose the
- 25:45right tool and also can help set
- 25:47up and guide and support these
- 25:50individuals as they use those tools.
- 25:53Similar to the example Jorge
- 25:55shared during the pandemic,
- 25:57Nemours Children's Hospital
- 25:58redeployed staff as digital health
- 26:02navigators to help patients and their
- 26:04families complete digital forms,
- 26:06troubleshoot connectivity issues and
- 26:09better engaged in telehealth visits.
- 26:12And then the last strategy is just that
- 26:16organizations can develop workflows
- 26:18that better allow clinical teams
- 26:20to engage patients in these tools.
- 26:23So Freighter,
- 26:25next slide please.
- 26:27Freighter and the Medical College of
- 26:30Wisconsin have implemented baby scripts,
- 26:32which is a platform designed to.
- 26:35Connect expectant mothers with
- 26:37their doctors and resources to
- 26:39improve perinatal outcomes.
- 26:40So expectant mothers are invited
- 26:42to join baby scripts after it's
- 26:45determined that they are pregnant.
- 26:47However, early on in the implementation,
- 26:49Freighter realized that certain
- 26:51communities and populations
- 26:53were not engaging with the app,
- 26:55so they created a process where
- 26:58their team proactively reaches out
- 27:00to those individuals who didn't
- 27:02accept the initial invitation.
- 27:04And encourages them to join
- 27:07and use the baby scripts tool.
- 27:10So I know I went through all of that quickly,
- 27:12but I hope those 10 strategies and
- 27:14the examples provided are helpful
- 27:16to you and your team as you take
- 27:19on Digital HealthEquity and Tara.
- 27:20I'll turn it over to you.
- 27:25Great. Thank you.
- 27:26I am enjoying this virtual symposium so much.
- 27:29I love all the tangible
- 27:31approaches and examples.
- 27:32I've been taking notes from my Co
- 27:35panelists and I really hope that I
- 27:37can build on what's been said so
- 27:40far in terms of digital equity and
- 27:42inclusion in regards to a specific
- 27:44very vulnerable patient population
- 27:46which is Medicaid beneficiaries.
- 27:48So that's where we're going to go in
- 27:50the final part of our segment here and.
- 27:54Basically, I'll start off with just
- 27:57explaining how Medicaid beneficiaries
- 27:58tend to access digital health tools
- 28:00now and as well as telehealth.
- 28:02And then I'd like to end on some policy
- 28:06considerations for how to ensure
- 28:07access to care for this particular
- 28:09patient population and how which
- 28:12could help mitigate against to health
- 28:13disparities now and in the future.
- 28:15So with that next slide please.
- 28:18So I thought I'd start off
- 28:20just by quickly clarifying,
- 28:22you know the major government
- 28:24payers here with Medicaid,
- 28:25Medicare,
- 28:25the numbers of Americans that are
- 28:28under those different government
- 28:29safety Nets along with dual eligible.
- 28:32So Medicaid is our program for low
- 28:35income individuals and there's about 76
- 28:38million Americans on that whereas Medic.
- 28:40Medicare.
- 28:40Medicare is for older adults and
- 28:43then dual eligibles would be those
- 28:45who qualify for older adults on
- 28:47Medicare who also are low income,
- 28:49which is over 12 million Americans.
- 28:52And I now want to touch on a report
- 28:54that was just published by the
- 28:56Government Accountability Office,
- 28:58really looking at the experience among
- 29:00the States and how they were accessing
- 29:03telehealth specifically and access
- 29:04to care for a Medicaid population
- 29:07and what it was like pre pandemic.
- 29:11And you know starting in March before
- 29:13March 2020 and then what's happened
- 29:15over the past year until February 2021,
- 29:17but there was this incredible 15 times
- 29:21increase across these five states.
- 29:23So with the next slide,
- 29:25you'll see a sampling of these States
- 29:27and they went out of their way to choose
- 29:30states that represent a broad swath of
- 29:32our population in terms of the percent
- 29:34that are in rural areas have access to
- 29:38broadband and then variations among.
- 29:40Demographics such as age,
- 29:42income and education and that's
- 29:43why these states were selected.
- 29:45And and you could see that
- 29:47right before the pandemic,
- 29:49about 11% of Medicaid,
- 29:50I'll use Arizona as an example,
- 29:5311% of Medicaid beneficiaries
- 29:55were accessing telehealth,
- 29:57telehealth for one or more of
- 29:59their healthcare services.
- 30:00But then in the year then the
- 30:02pandemic started in March 2020 to
- 30:04February 2021 that shot up to 43.8.
- 30:07And then just apply that across
- 30:08the board to these other states.
- 30:10And this builds on what everyone
- 30:12has been talking about,
- 30:13this huge increase in telehealth utilization,
- 30:16but then thinking about it in regards
- 30:19to a specific very vulnerable
- 30:21population group and how they
- 30:23were able to access telehealth.
- 30:25So with that, I'll go on to the next slide.
- 30:30So as I mentioned,
- 30:32Medicaid does largely support.
- 30:34It does support those who
- 30:35qualify through means,
- 30:36so their their income thresholds
- 30:38are below a certain amount.
- 30:39But in relation to that,
- 30:41there's two subgroups,
- 30:42those who also have disabilities and as well
- 30:45as being low income and those who are older.
- 30:48And I point this out because
- 30:50there's specific healthcare needs
- 30:52depending on these other two groups.
- 30:54So often times behavior health coincides with
- 30:57those with disabilities and for older adults,
- 31:00longterm care is a is a big issue
- 31:02and Medicaid is the largest payer.
- 31:04For longterm care in America.
- 31:05So when we think about digital health tools
- 31:08and access to healthcare via telehealth,
- 31:10how that would apply in that setting and
- 31:13the next slide gets right to that point.
- 31:16Where right now every state has
- 31:18a version of a state waiver,
- 31:21a health, health,
- 31:23home and community based
- 31:24services where in this case,
- 31:26looking at an older population,
- 31:28they have the option to go into a
- 31:30nursing home to receive care or they
- 31:32could sign up to hopefully age in
- 31:34place and receive care in their home.
- 31:37Which would be longterm supports
- 31:38and services where they would
- 31:40have an aide come out and help
- 31:41them for a few hours a day.
- 31:42But what's happening is the
- 31:44demand far outweighs the supply.
- 31:45So across America,
- 31:47Medicaid eligible older adults are
- 31:51waiting on average of three years
- 31:53across basically the whole country
- 31:55with over 820 thousand Americans
- 31:57waiting to receive care in the home
- 32:00as instead of trying instead of
- 32:02going to an institutional setting
- 32:04And then if we could click the.
- 32:07Forward advance,
- 32:07there should be a pop up here and they just,
- 32:10I'm talking about Medicaid
- 32:12eligible older adults.
- 32:13But this has a real impact for our
- 32:15whole society in terms of how we're
- 32:17caring for an older population and
- 32:19just how we can use our digital health
- 32:21tools and also access to care via
- 32:23telehealth in the home to really help
- 32:26individuals age in place and support
- 32:28a goal that many Americans share.
- 32:31Next slide please.
- 32:33So this is happening a bit and incremental
- 32:37effects during the pandemic there,
- 32:40there was a addition of Appendix K
- 32:43to home and community based waivers
- 32:45that many states took advantage of and
- 32:47that's where they are really trying
- 32:49to digitize home and community based
- 32:51services to allow for more digital
- 32:53health tools in the home to allow
- 32:55virtual visits as opposed to in person.
- 32:57So that could be a way going
- 32:59forward that states are really
- 33:00playing with options available to
- 33:02them in these Medicaid waivers.
- 33:04And I just wanted to draw attention
- 33:06because that keeps coming up as a way
- 33:09that the Medicaid system is evolving
- 33:11in terms of adapting new tools.
- 33:13Next slide, please.
- 33:15So I've broken down what are my Co
- 33:17panelists and others have mentioned
- 33:19in terms of the digital divide in
- 33:21terms of three areas and looking
- 33:23at a Medicaid eligible population.
- 33:25And that is the,
- 33:27the, the range of providers
- 33:29and services that are covered
- 33:31under those who are on Medicaid.
- 33:33And then those technology barriers
- 33:35that both my Co panelists Jorge and
- 33:38Priya really mentioned in terms of what
- 33:40they are and ways to address them.
- 33:41And the one that I'm going to
- 33:43focus on quite a bit is the.
- 33:45The differences between access
- 33:48to telehealth when it's video,
- 33:50audio versus audio only and the
- 33:53impact that could have on a Medicaid
- 33:55eligible population and and relatedly
- 33:57a payment parity if you're if you
- 33:59have very limited means it makes
- 34:01a big difference in terms of how
- 34:03healthcare can be reimbursed.
- 34:04Payment parity would be the same
- 34:07amount of reimbursement for in
- 34:09person care as it would be for
- 34:11telehealth whereas coverage parity
- 34:13would mean that the service was.
- 34:15Covered or if it's not covered at all,
- 34:18and how would an individual with
- 34:20very limited means receive the care
- 34:22that they need and would like?
- 34:24Next slide please.
- 34:26So it's a build on an example
- 34:28of how access to telehealth.
- 34:31Was broken down by Medicaid beneficiaries.
- 34:33This is a nice way of showing what
- 34:36states were doing in different ways
- 34:38before the pandemic started and then
- 34:40during the public health emergency
- 34:42where you could see this incredible
- 34:44increase in access when it came comes
- 34:46to particular services that were
- 34:49being provided now via telehealth.
- 34:51And you know,
- 34:52for the most part behavior health has stayed.
- 34:54It was high and it's remained
- 34:56high and and then relatedly,
- 34:58the other things have seen a huge.
- 35:00Huge jump, particularly dental,
- 35:03occupational health,
- 35:04even longterm supports and services.
- 35:06So these were allowing everyone's
- 35:08comments like things that states
- 35:10really did modify for their Medicaid
- 35:13populations in terms of widening
- 35:15the numbers of providers and types
- 35:18of services available to them.
- 35:20Next slide.
- 35:21But what was nice though,
- 35:23is it was further broken out by
- 35:26Medicaid beneficiaries accessing
- 35:27these services with video audio
- 35:30care as opposed to just audio only.
- 35:32So if we can advance again,
- 35:36great, It might be one more advanced.
- 35:38Thank you. And one more, sorry animation.
- 35:42So then you'll see that the
- 35:44this graph divides audio only,
- 35:47which is the yellow part
- 35:49on top with visual audio,
- 35:52which is the blue part on the bottom and
- 35:55it breaks it down by race and ethnicity,
- 35:57income, education levels.
- 36:00And then you see that for the most part.
- 36:03Individuals that are white,
- 36:04we're much more likely to
- 36:05access telehealth via video,
- 36:07whereas those who have a Latino
- 36:10background were much more likely to
- 36:12access telehealth via audio only.
- 36:14So it was just a nice breakdown of thinking
- 36:17about if we do limit access to care in
- 36:19ways in which it needs to be only video,
- 36:22video, audio,
- 36:23how that impacts particular population,
- 36:25groups within this already very
- 36:28vulnerable Medicaid population.
- 36:30Next slide please.
- 36:33So I and then thirdly,
- 36:34I wanted to draw attention to there
- 36:36are other ways to enhance access to
- 36:39care outside of state legislation
- 36:41and governor executive action.
- 36:43And that's what individual Medicaid
- 36:45departments are doing in certain states.
- 36:47And I highlight two examples here
- 36:49with California and Ohio where
- 36:51California passed payment parity
- 36:53for audio only as an example of how
- 36:56they were trying to ensure care
- 36:58for their vulnerable population
- 37:00group and Ohio did just really.
- 37:03Expanded across the board a range
- 37:05of providers and services that could
- 37:07that would be eligible to receive
- 37:09care via telehealth or virtually.
- 37:11Next slide.
- 37:14So in my remaining time,
- 37:16I wanted to give two state examples and
- 37:18sort of wrap up here with how state,
- 37:20how states craft their legislation around
- 37:22virtual care makes a big difference.
- 37:25So in Arizona, it's a very detailed
- 37:27approach to how telehealth is
- 37:29defined and then there's a very
- 37:32specific audio only carve out.
- 37:34We're really only in situations
- 37:37where due to technology or other
- 37:40infrastructure limits would
- 37:41be considered appropriate.
- 37:43Next slide.
- 37:46So this has had real implications for
- 37:48access to audio only in the state of
- 37:51Arizona and and they created an Advisory
- 37:53Council which many states have done
- 37:56particularly monitor audio only care.
- 37:58And in Arizona this past January,
- 38:00this Advisory Council recommended to actually
- 38:02reduce the number of codes that would be
- 38:05eligible for audio only by nearly 2/3.
- 38:07So that's the change of what once existed
- 38:10and currently what's happening in Arizona.
- 38:12And then in contrast,
- 38:13if I could compare another state in
- 38:15the next slide which is Colorado's
- 38:18definition of telehealth,
- 38:20you you see that it's quite broad.
- 38:22It's really just any type of care
- 38:24that's delivered at a distance and I
- 38:26think there's no audio only carve out.
- 38:29And also by having such a broad
- 38:31definition of how telehealth is provided,
- 38:33it allows for emerging technologies
- 38:35that we may that haven't come about yet,
- 38:37they will be about soon that really enables.
- 38:43The law the law can to be much more
- 38:45flexible given what could be happening
- 38:46with technology and then it's and
- 38:48it's and it's a different way of
- 38:50showing how states their approaches
- 38:53has a big impact on access to care.
- 38:56Next slide.
- 38:58So this is going to bring up I think a
- 39:00lot of tie in well with a lot of the
- 39:03comments that pre MA but some really
- 39:04tangible examples for what's happening
- 39:07with different providers and these
- 39:09different platforms of of addressing
- 39:11these issues with barriers to care.
- 39:13But I think mainly what I would
- 39:14just like to touch on when we're
- 39:16thinking about if we require.
- 39:19Video, audio services or in person visits,
- 39:22how that impacts the individual's
- 39:24access to care if they are this
- 39:27vulnerable patient population group.
- 39:29And I did include at the bottom with
- 39:32the regulator that's coming up more to
- 39:34the forefront of these discussions,
- 39:36which is the Federal Trade Commission,
- 39:38which basically says it's the standard of
- 39:40care that matters, not how it's delivered.
- 39:44Next slide.
- 39:45So my final comments,
- 39:46I think I'm right about time is I
- 39:49just want to touch on what's been
- 39:51happening across the country when it
- 39:53comes to rural populations trying
- 39:54to access palliative care.
- 39:56And it really comes down to patients
- 39:58having to make really tough decisions
- 40:00between being able to remain in their
- 40:02home and have their pain managed as
- 40:04opposed to going to a more urban or
- 40:06tertiary center to receive palliative care.
- 40:08And this is an article that came out
- 40:11pre COVID and it showed the impact it had.
- 40:15By patients being able to access
- 40:17palliative care in their home.
- 40:19And if we could touch on the next slide,
- 40:22our next, yeah, great.
- 40:23What a huge equity issue it was just to
- 40:25allow patients to have that decision.
- 40:27And I love how Jorge ended his slides
- 40:30with how how digital equity just
- 40:32helps us get to equity in general
- 40:35when accessing healthcare.
- 40:37And with that,
- 40:37I'll turn it over to our moderator, Dr.
- 40:39Krupinski.
- 40:41Awesome. And thanks all of you for
- 40:43such wonderful information for
- 40:45staying awesomely on time as well.
- 40:47So we have about 5 minutes
- 40:48for discussion in Q&A.
- 40:49And So what I'm going to do is I'm going
- 40:52to throw a question out there and and,
- 40:55you know, put you on the spot.
- 40:57So you've all given some
- 40:59really great examples.
- 41:00And unfortunately, sometimes when
- 41:02people talk about HealthEquity,
- 41:04they can think, well,
- 41:05the system's going to take care of it.
- 41:08You know, so it's noted $65 billion
- 41:09that the government is going to
- 41:11spend on digital HealthEquity,
- 41:13large hospital systems,
- 41:14Medicare, Medicaid,
- 41:15states that are addressing HealthEquity
- 41:17by you know throwing resources
- 41:19at it and examples that pre gave
- 41:21with in terms of you know people
- 41:23doing research studies and so on.
- 41:25So the question that I have for
- 41:27each one of you and you can either
- 41:29volunteer or I'll start to point
- 41:31people out nobody answers is what
- 41:34can the individual practitioner.
- 41:37Sitting there faced with the prospect
- 41:40of a patient and then trying to decide,
- 41:43you know,
- 41:43how do I interact with this patient best
- 41:46given whether they know or don't know about,
- 41:48you know,
- 41:49where this patient is and so on.
- 41:50What can that individual practitioner
- 41:53do on their own to start to
- 41:57utilize telehealth to address
- 41:59health disparities or vice versa,
- 42:01to somehow look at the lens of telehealth
- 42:03and how they're going to do it?
- 42:06Through that lens of health
- 42:09disparities and HealthEquity.
- 42:11So I'm going to start with Jorge.
- 42:13I'm just going to go down the line.
- 42:14What do you think the one one
- 42:16thing that a practitioner could do?
- 42:18Yeah,
- 42:19I mean, I think that the simplest
- 42:20one for me is it seems simple,
- 42:22but it's like talk, talk to the patient.
- 42:24I think having that conversation and that
- 42:27we learned that with our Digital Navigator.
- 42:29Having that conversation,
- 42:29like what's the pain point that
- 42:31you're feeling and how and is there
- 42:33a technology that can address it.
- 42:34You know, I think sometimes we
- 42:35try to think of technology very
- 42:37broadly and like we can do this,
- 42:38we can do this, we can do this.
- 42:40But for the individual patient it
- 42:41may be like I'm really struggling
- 42:43for I don't know and if we've tried.
- 42:45The framework of all of this with like,
- 42:47with how the health and equity in
- 42:49mind increasingly we're moving toward
- 42:51structural and so terms of health.
- 42:52So using that as a starting point as
- 42:54like what what Which one of those is
- 42:56being challenged and how can tech.
- 42:58Bridget,
- 42:58if it's like I'm struggling with
- 43:00housing insecurity and you're like,
- 43:02well, technology is not really
- 43:03going to make a difference there,
- 43:04then perhaps technology is not
- 43:06the right solution.
- 43:06But it's like oh, you know,
- 43:07I'm really struggling with like,
- 43:09you know,
- 43:09getting access to care getting
- 43:10time off from work or something.
- 43:11Oh, OK well,
- 43:12telehealth can play a role there.
- 43:13Let's try to make it use,
- 43:14I think talking to the patient.
- 43:15And seeing how it in lines
- 43:17with HealthEquity frameworks,
- 43:18I think it's where I would start.
- 43:19Great
- 43:20answer Priya. So Jorge stole my
- 43:23answer because they ask the patient,
- 43:26right, which I think is an excellent
- 43:29sort of place to start is in
- 43:31conversation with the patients about
- 43:32what they actually want, right.
- 43:34So I often use the example of my parents,
- 43:36they are both in their late 70s, my mom.
- 43:39Hates technology.
- 43:40She wants an in person visit all the time.
- 43:43She enjoys the communication
- 43:45and the conversation.
- 43:46My dad on the other hand is very tech savvy,
- 43:49even more so than I am,
- 43:51and he wants everything done
- 43:52through an app or portal, right?
- 43:54So asking those questions and.
- 43:56Not making assumptions and I think
- 43:59Jorge made this point earlier
- 44:01as well as to who may want a
- 44:03digital solution and who may not
- 44:05asking that question of everyone.
- 44:07And then I will say one of the
- 44:09challenges when I was working at the
- 44:11AHA that we heard consistently from
- 44:13clinicians was that they didn't always,
- 44:15once they asked the questions,
- 44:17they didn't always have the resources
- 44:20they needed to support the response
- 44:22that an individual may have.
- 44:24So I think doing some work on.
- 44:26The back end to make sure that
- 44:28some resources are available for
- 44:29different responses that you may
- 44:31get and if you are a clinician,
- 44:33sort of employed by a hospital
- 44:35or health system asking for help
- 44:36in getting those resources.
- 44:38So I took Jorges and then built
- 44:40a little bit on it. Awesome.
- 44:42Sharon. Yeah, 60 seconds.
- 44:45Likewise I. What my Co panelist
- 44:47said and then just to make it,
- 44:49make it embedded in the system.
- 44:51So when you have that
- 44:52first point of engagement,
- 44:54you know there's those preferred questions.
- 44:55How would, how would you prefer
- 44:57to receive this information?
- 44:57How would you prefer to have
- 44:59your visit conducted and and then
- 45:01let people choose between text,
- 45:02e-mail, audio only visual.
- 45:04And so for every patient
- 45:06regardless of their payer,
- 45:07Medicare and Medicaid private out of pocket,
- 45:10like you know their preferences
- 45:11upfront and you're treating your
- 45:13patients equally across the board.
- 45:16Right, awesome. And so thanks all of you.
- 45:18I have one other thing to add would be that,
- 45:20you know we have to educate patients
- 45:22as to what these terms mean because
- 45:24I've heard so many stories about, well,
- 45:26I picked the virtual option or I I picked
- 45:28the telehealth and then they get there and
- 45:30they don't realize what they picked and they,
- 45:32oh, I picked telehealth.
- 45:34I didn't realize that meant I
- 45:35had to connect up.
- 45:36So even though people can go through
- 45:38that checklist and and pick things,
- 45:39it's not just a matter of.
- 45:41You know, do they have the access
- 45:42is do they have an understanding
- 45:44of what these options are?
- 45:45And that's where things like videos,
- 45:47you can send them in advance or
- 45:49whatever explaining, you know,
- 45:50what is telehealth all about.
- 45:51So I appreciate your time, your effort.
- 45:54I think it's been a wonderful
- 45:56presentation and hopefully everybody
- 45:58learned a little bit about ways
- 46:00to address digital HealthEquity.
- 46:03And Lee, I'm turning it back over to you.