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Child Mental Health Series - Episode 2

May 16, 2024
  • 00:04And I just wanted to let everybody
  • 00:06know the Pros for Peers webinar
  • 00:08series is is a collaboration between
  • 00:09the Yale School of Medicine and
  • 00:11the Yale New Haven Health System.
  • 00:14And it's brought to you by the
  • 00:15Office of Academic and Professional
  • 00:17Development and the Office of Chief and
  • 00:19the Office of Chief Wellness Officer.
  • 00:23So I'd like to really turn it over
  • 00:25to Doctor Robert Rohrbach who can who
  • 00:28serves as the Deputy Dean for for
  • 00:30Professionalism and Leadership Development
  • 00:31with the Yale School of Medicine.
  • 00:34Doctor Werbach, please turn it over to you.
  • 00:37Thanks so much, Peggy. One
  • 00:39of OAP DS missions is to elevate well-being
  • 00:41for for faculty and we're delighted to
  • 00:44to welcome you today.
  • 00:47As faculty and staff
  • 00:48indicated in Wellness surveys,
  • 00:49child mental health is a critical issue
  • 00:51for members of both of our communities.
  • 00:54We serve as caregivers at home
  • 00:56and in the healthcare setting.
  • 00:59We're really fortunate to
  • 01:00have world renowned faculty
  • 01:01at the Yale Child Study Center who
  • 01:03can help us address this issue.
  • 01:05I'm going to turn it over
  • 01:06to Doctor Christine Olson,
  • 01:08the Chief Wellness Officer for
  • 01:10Medical Staff across the aligned
  • 01:12clinical enterprise to introduce
  • 01:13the Pros for Peers program and to
  • 01:16introduce our host for this program,
  • 01:18Doctor Linda Mays.
  • 01:20Christine, thank you,
  • 01:22Doctor Urbah Pros for Peers
  • 01:24recognizes that we are surrounded
  • 01:26by renowned experts in Wellness
  • 01:28here at Yale all the time,
  • 01:30every day.
  • 01:30And we all have something to offer
  • 01:32one another while fostering a
  • 01:35culture of care and connectedness
  • 01:37and strengthening pride and sense
  • 01:40of belonging in our community.
  • 01:42When our community identifies the need,
  • 01:44as on the Wellness survey,
  • 01:46we seek those experts to meet those needs.
  • 01:49Previously,
  • 01:50Pros for Peers brought you Sleep Week
  • 01:53from the Yale section of Sleep Medicine,
  • 01:56and you've indicated that your
  • 01:58well-being would be improved by
  • 02:00better knowing how to care and
  • 02:02support the young people in your life.
  • 02:04And so today for Mental Health Month,
  • 02:07we are so grateful for the
  • 02:09experts that we have here today.
  • 02:10We look forward to this time
  • 02:12together and it's a privilege
  • 02:14to introduce Doctor Mays,
  • 02:15chair of the Yale Child Study Center and
  • 02:19our host for this program this month.
  • 02:21Thank you so much.
  • 02:24Thank you so much, Doctor.
  • 02:25Really appreciate being here.
  • 02:27And to add my welcome to all of
  • 02:29you for joining for this second
  • 02:31of the pros for peers webinars.
  • 02:33And it's very appropriate,
  • 02:34as Christine just said,
  • 02:35to be doing this in Mental Health Month,
  • 02:38but appropriate to do it actually
  • 02:40anytime through the year.
  • 02:41I'm going to introduce you to
  • 02:43my colleagues very shortly,
  • 02:44but I want to just tell you very
  • 02:46briefly about the Child Study
  • 02:48Center that we are a department
  • 02:49in the Yale School of Medicine.
  • 02:51We're focused on providing
  • 02:52clinical care for children,
  • 02:54adolescents and their families
  • 02:56and and also on developmental
  • 02:58science where we ask how children
  • 03:00truly grow in their understanding
  • 03:02of the world and the skills that
  • 03:04they need to navigate that world.
  • 03:06We have a very large educational
  • 03:08program where we train the next
  • 03:10generation of clinicians who will
  • 03:11move our field field forward
  • 03:13and we are multidisciplinary,
  • 03:15have over 20 perspectives or
  • 03:17trainings represented and our
  • 03:19community is just over 500 people.
  • 03:21You'll be hearing a lot about
  • 03:23our clinical work today.
  • 03:24And just to give you a sense,
  • 03:25we serve over 3000 children and
  • 03:28families annually through about
  • 03:30over 60,000 scheduled visits.
  • 03:33We've seen a tremendous increase in
  • 03:35the need for our clinical services
  • 03:37as has been true across the country.
  • 03:40And it is also indeed true that
  • 03:43children and adolescents are not
  • 03:45only needing services younger,
  • 03:46but also presenting with more challenges
  • 03:50that require more intensive work.
  • 03:53We provide our services much continuum
  • 03:55from working in the home and community.
  • 03:57You'll hear a lot about that today,
  • 04:00consulting with pediatricians, seeing
  • 04:02children in the hospital emergency room.
  • 04:05Our outpatient services are inpatient
  • 04:08units and we deliver care virtually as well.
  • 04:11We're seeing about 1/3 of
  • 04:13families now coming to us.
  • 04:15As I mentioned, this is a national,
  • 04:17a national concern.
  • 04:19But what's most important that I hope
  • 04:21you'll hear today was I introduce you
  • 04:24to my colleagues is how we're really,
  • 04:26truly trying to help children reach
  • 04:28their fullest potential in our
  • 04:30communities and how to help them
  • 04:33again gain the skills they need.
  • 04:35So my colleagues are going to speak
  • 04:38about effective collaboration
  • 04:39with our community providers,
  • 04:41perhaps some barriers to clinical care
  • 04:44that may impact getting to services.
  • 04:46Indeed access is one of the things
  • 04:49we think a lot about because it's
  • 04:50it is quoted that 80% of children
  • 04:53with mental health needs don't
  • 04:55have access to care.
  • 04:56And then we'll also talk about
  • 04:58the impact of school based mental
  • 05:01health services on children's
  • 05:03education and and health.
  • 05:05First you'll be hearing
  • 05:06from Heather Maurizio.
  • 05:07Heather is an assistant clinical
  • 05:09professor in of social work followed
  • 05:11by Taylor Collins who works in
  • 05:13our in Home services,
  • 05:15Roshani Treadwell who is also an assistant
  • 05:18clinical professor in social work,
  • 05:20Bridget Torres another
  • 05:22assistant clinical professor.
  • 05:24All will be talking really about
  • 05:26the most sophisticated clinical
  • 05:28work with children and families.
  • 05:30And then to bring us home will
  • 05:32be doctor Amanda Dettmer,
  • 05:34research scientist is who is also
  • 05:36working in schools and in school
  • 05:38based mental health. So Heather,
  • 05:40may I turn it to you to get us started?
  • 05:43Yes, of course. Thank you Doctor
  • 05:45Mays for the introduction and thank
  • 05:47you all for having me here today.
  • 05:49My name is Heather Morizio and I'm an LCSW.
  • 05:52I've had the pleasure of being an ICAPS
  • 05:54clinician for the past 7 1/2 years.
  • 05:56Before I get going,
  • 05:58I just wanted to acknowledge that
  • 05:59the Yale Child Study Center has
  • 06:01many in home programs that aren't
  • 06:03necessarily focused upon today,
  • 06:05but are too valued for their dedication
  • 06:08serving families in their communities.
  • 06:10The ICAPS program stands
  • 06:11for Intensive in Home,
  • 06:13Child and Adolescent Psychiatric Services
  • 06:16that serves families and children 5 to 18
  • 06:20years of age with acute psychiatric beads,
  • 06:23our clients can be discharging from the
  • 06:25hospital from intensive outpatient care,
  • 06:28referred from a lower level of care
  • 06:30like outpatient from a provider who
  • 06:32has had ongoing concerns that place
  • 06:35a child at risk for hospitalization.
  • 06:37We focus our work really in four areas,
  • 06:39so there's youth, family, school,
  • 06:42physical environment and community.
  • 06:43There are three phases of our work
  • 06:46and three types of sessions a week.
  • 06:49So there's family,
  • 06:50individual and parent.
  • 06:52These phases are clinically influenced
  • 06:54by the therapeutic relationship
  • 06:56which is really essential.
  • 06:58It's essential in our model.
  • 07:00We think relationships and we are relatable.
  • 07:03Most of the children and teenagers and
  • 07:05even a lot of the parents that we work
  • 07:08with have significant life experiences.
  • 07:10And with these experiences or layers of
  • 07:13a person come the very real emotional
  • 07:15responses that can then influence building
  • 07:18relationships with others moving forward,
  • 07:20whether it's with family,
  • 07:22whether it's with providers,
  • 07:24systems, schools,
  • 07:25life experiences,
  • 07:26shape how people and our
  • 07:28families perceive the world.
  • 07:30Ensuring today myself and some of
  • 07:32the other colleagues and clinicians
  • 07:34will be emphasizing upon the layers
  • 07:37of trust needed to facilitate the
  • 07:39work and to highlight the complexity
  • 07:42of the work for me right now.
  • 07:45Really focusing on this idea of
  • 07:47like the in home piece to our work
  • 07:49and inviting you to think and
  • 07:51rethink this idea of community.
  • 07:53Really existing solely as a place
  • 07:55but really embracing the idea of
  • 07:57the dimensions surrounding a person
  • 07:59surrounding a family in motion as
  • 08:02they are in motion with different
  • 08:04aspects within their day.
  • 08:05I have come to learn.
  • 08:07Definitely realize as an in home clinician,
  • 08:11I don't always like arrive at
  • 08:13your home right.
  • 08:14Not always knocking at your door,
  • 08:15but rather I'm arriving where,
  • 08:18when and how you are to
  • 08:20meet you where you are.
  • 08:21So this can be at anywhere,
  • 08:23right?
  • 08:23So having therapeutic sessions anywhere
  • 08:25and some of my most recent endeavors
  • 08:28target in a baseball baseball field,
  • 08:30right.
  • 08:32And then there's times too where I'm
  • 08:34on the other side of a door with a
  • 08:36teenager who has the door closed and
  • 08:38they don't feel like coming out here.
  • 08:41We we really meet families where they
  • 08:43are within the lives that they live,
  • 08:46how they authentically are.
  • 08:48We are offered opportunities to
  • 08:51physically be and access people places,
  • 08:54the the people surrounding the family,
  • 08:56the neighborhood in which they
  • 08:58live and at times working towards
  • 09:01in relationship with. Right.
  • 09:03So we're building community with
  • 09:05this can look like even a child
  • 09:08like our work really finding an art
  • 09:10class or a parent really working
  • 09:12to find like his or her own job.
  • 09:15This too creates other connections
  • 09:17and connections that then impact this
  • 09:19idea of what community is and how
  • 09:22this person feels and interacts with
  • 09:24in community within our model, right?
  • 09:27So we have those three sessions,
  • 09:28so we meet with a child,
  • 09:30we meet with a parent and then the family.
  • 09:32While these children go to schools,
  • 09:34they have doctors, they have coaches,
  • 09:36they have providers and just like parents do.
  • 09:40So with building the relationship
  • 09:43comes access to parents,
  • 09:45providers with permission,
  • 09:47meetings with other providers
  • 09:48and that those are pieces of the
  • 09:51family and the parents community.
  • 09:53And with trust we really work with
  • 09:57and connect to these different
  • 09:59pieces of individual's lives
  • 10:01to support the entire family.
  • 10:03The trust piece cannot emphasize enough
  • 10:06like but true true core trust by bearing
  • 10:10witness with muddling through treatment,
  • 10:13with moments that become
  • 10:14even the bigger moments.
  • 10:17Trust with like in which the family
  • 10:19like lends to us then allows us as in
  • 10:22home workers to really sit on their
  • 10:24their on their floors and their homes
  • 10:27and become acquainted with our communities.
  • 10:30And I would love to pass it
  • 10:32along to Taylor Collins,
  • 10:33my colleague who will share more about
  • 10:35the importance of treatment through the
  • 10:37lens of the family systems approach.
  • 10:41Thanks, Heather, and thank you
  • 10:43everyone for giving us this space
  • 10:45to share our clinical experience.
  • 10:47My name is Taylor Collins,
  • 10:49working as an LCSW with families
  • 10:51and ICAPS for the past five years.
  • 10:53One of my most salient takeaways
  • 10:55is that child mental health
  • 10:57problems don't operate in a vacuum.
  • 10:59School systems, community groups,
  • 11:01technology, peers and families all
  • 11:03service contacts that ebb and flow in
  • 11:06their influence on child mental health.
  • 11:09ICAPS focuses on the convergence
  • 11:11of these systems and particularly
  • 11:13family patterns with a highlight on
  • 11:16attachment and trauma informed care.
  • 11:19Our family systems are one of the first
  • 11:22micro environments we really experience.
  • 11:24They serve as a foundational lens in
  • 11:26which we begin to understand our world,
  • 11:29how we communicate, behave,
  • 11:31trust and we then take this lens and
  • 11:34carry it with us throughout our life.
  • 11:36Our work is to build a more complete
  • 11:39picture of that family context with
  • 11:42a multi generational perspective.
  • 11:44We really zero in on the family patterns
  • 11:48and parenting influences that might be
  • 11:50overlooked if we just examine a child's
  • 11:53mental health needs in isolation.
  • 11:56For this reason,
  • 11:57our practice aims to increase parental
  • 12:01curiosity about their own experiences
  • 12:03and as well as their child's.
  • 12:06So this presenting problem that parents
  • 12:09typically tend to notice in their
  • 12:11children and then come to treatment to
  • 12:13address those can be things like outbursts,
  • 12:16conflict,
  • 12:16impulsivity, defiance,
  • 12:18really any types of mental health symptoms.
  • 12:22And so with this in mind,
  • 12:24we come in to treatment with them with
  • 12:26a non judgmental presence to observe,
  • 12:29build, trust and join with the family.
  • 12:32Really learn and get to know them.
  • 12:35Then through careful observation and
  • 12:38built understanding help the families
  • 12:41become attuned to underlying emotional
  • 12:43needs and maladaptive family dynamics
  • 12:46that might be hidden below these more
  • 12:49observable surface level problems.
  • 12:52Our parenting work uses therapeutic
  • 12:54tools to aim a spotlight into
  • 12:57unacknowledged trauma and family norms.
  • 12:59Growing up, So what was your home like?
  • 13:03What was normalized?
  • 13:05What lessons about yourself and
  • 13:07the world did you learn and then
  • 13:10translate that knowledge into now?
  • 13:12How are these patterns serving
  • 13:14you and disserving you both as
  • 13:16a person and a parent today?
  • 13:17How are they impacting your child's
  • 13:20mental health when there hasn't been space
  • 13:23for introspection or self reflection?
  • 13:25It can result in the meeting of our defenses,
  • 13:28our coping mechanisms,
  • 13:30and our socially learned habits,
  • 13:31all forming this default way of responding
  • 13:34to the world and responding to our children.
  • 13:38While exploration of ourselves,
  • 13:40our tendencies and their origins
  • 13:43allows us to see alternatives and
  • 13:45to expand our ability to respond
  • 13:48differently to our world and interrupt
  • 13:51any of these problematic patterns.
  • 13:53So really we we want to
  • 13:56encourage parents to say,
  • 13:58hey wait,
  • 13:59why am I responding to my child this way?
  • 14:02Is this the only way to handle this?
  • 14:05What's happening for my child
  • 14:07emotionally when I do this?
  • 14:09And what are my other options?
  • 14:12As we understand patterns across generations,
  • 14:15we then work to highlight
  • 14:17with parents how this shift
  • 14:19impacts their child and how
  • 14:21they can work to create change.
  • 14:23The gravity of this ask to shift the
  • 14:25focus to the parent's self is really heavy
  • 14:28as so many parents are already working
  • 14:30their hardest to do the best they can.
  • 14:33And at times we might be asking
  • 14:35parents to practice labeling,
  • 14:37organizing and being with their
  • 14:40child's underlying emotions or
  • 14:42taking space when heated to model
  • 14:45regulation and to reduce conflict.
  • 14:47And This is why meeting parents where they
  • 14:50are in their process of self-awareness
  • 14:52is a key part of our clinical process.
  • 14:55At times, parents present with complex
  • 14:58trauma histories or limited prior mental
  • 15:01health care for their own unaddressed needs.
  • 15:04Parents may not have had a felt
  • 15:07experience of having an emotionally
  • 15:09attuned response from a safe caregiver,
  • 15:11and so this can mean asking parents to
  • 15:13meet this seemingly impossible challenge
  • 15:15of showing up for their children in a
  • 15:18way that was never modeled for them.
  • 15:20The therapeutic relationship
  • 15:21can then serve as a reparative,
  • 15:24secure attachment experience,
  • 15:25acknowledging a parent's inner
  • 15:27child by sharing the same warmth,
  • 15:30safety and validation we want
  • 15:32them to have with their children.
  • 15:34Our objective is to improve child
  • 15:37and adolescent mental health
  • 15:39by encouraging curiosity,
  • 15:41increasing self reflection,
  • 15:43reducing conflict and supporting
  • 15:45connection within the family.
  • 15:47All of which helps to build trust,
  • 15:48allow vulnerability and promote healing.
  • 15:51And with that I want to pass it
  • 15:53along to our our another one of
  • 15:55our in home clinicians.
  • 15:56Roshani.
  • 15:59Thank you Taylor. Thank you.
  • 16:00Thank you also for giving me this
  • 16:03opportunity to share my experiences today.
  • 16:06I'm Roshani Treadwell and I'm a
  • 16:07licensed marriage and family therapist.
  • 16:09I have been working at Yale Child Studies
  • 16:13Center a little over 7 years and I I really
  • 16:15enjoy working as an in home therapist,
  • 16:18especially because I get to work in the
  • 16:20community as a as a part of our work we
  • 16:23build an understanding of our clients
  • 16:25experience in a way that incorporates
  • 16:27their characters including gender,
  • 16:30sexuality, race,
  • 16:31culture, and religion.
  • 16:33All of what comes together to form
  • 16:36each client's unique identity.
  • 16:38We often collaborate with other providers
  • 16:42as a part of the care we provide.
  • 16:44The severity of the cases we treat
  • 16:47cannot be effectively managed
  • 16:49by anyone service provider.
  • 16:52So we do need the support of all
  • 16:54the providers to address multiple
  • 16:57aspect of our client's life.
  • 16:59Our family's life could be mental health,
  • 17:01physical health,
  • 17:03Daily living needs social support.
  • 17:05So the moment we receive the referral,
  • 17:08we begin connecting with other providers.
  • 17:12Personally,
  • 17:12I do believe that entire community
  • 17:14play a big role in shaping each child's
  • 17:17future and I I find collaboration
  • 17:19helps me advocating for children
  • 17:22families within their own unique
  • 17:24community because they're not always
  • 17:27able to advocate for themselves.
  • 17:30This could be due to a negative
  • 17:33experience in their life as well
  • 17:35as the past and ongoing trauma.
  • 17:38It is really essential to build meaningful
  • 17:42trust and rapport with the whole family,
  • 17:46but especially important when working with
  • 17:49parents in the beginning of treatment.
  • 17:51Building trust with families at this
  • 17:54stage allow us to demonstrate our ongoing
  • 17:57commitment to them throughout the treatment.
  • 18:00We usually initial collaboration by
  • 18:03collaboration by getting consent from
  • 18:06the family and we seek to clarify
  • 18:09our role as a liaison to all parties,
  • 18:12especially maintaining confidential between
  • 18:14parent and other providers such as schools,
  • 18:19DCF, hospital, lawyers,
  • 18:20food banks and even landlord.
  • 18:23At times,
  • 18:24we really need to learn about
  • 18:26each family's history and the way
  • 18:29that each family and how they fit
  • 18:31in within their own community.
  • 18:34We really ask about families
  • 18:36experiences with other care providers,
  • 18:38carefully noting both negative and
  • 18:41positive responses to individualize our
  • 18:44individualize our care for our families.
  • 18:47This really fascinated the creation of a
  • 18:50safe and supportive therapeutic environment,
  • 18:52making family members more likely to
  • 18:55open communication and build positive
  • 18:57partnership with other providers.
  • 19:02Most of our families comes
  • 19:04with a deep rooted trauma.
  • 19:05Acknowledging each family's unique
  • 19:07trauma as part of our treatment
  • 19:10increases the likelihood that the
  • 19:12family will trust in our care
  • 19:15and value our clinical support.
  • 19:17One of the goal is to empower
  • 19:20families to advocate for themselves
  • 19:22within their providers and
  • 19:25manage ongoing communication.
  • 19:27However, at times we do face
  • 19:30challenges working with providers
  • 19:32who may not have a complete with
  • 19:35both the families need or may not,
  • 19:37may have their own biases or may not be
  • 19:41aware of how the role that past drama
  • 19:44plays in families reaction in treatment.
  • 19:47As in home therapist ours,
  • 19:50our role is so comprehensive that
  • 19:52it gives us a big picture that most
  • 19:56individual service providers may not have.
  • 19:59I want you to imagine a parent to
  • 20:02experience a significant amount of trauma.
  • 20:06This parent will feel so vulnerable and
  • 20:09not not feel that they can trust anyone.
  • 20:14They will feel that no one can help them.
  • 20:16Their responses and reactions are
  • 20:19not always understood by others,
  • 20:21which create challenges for families
  • 20:24who receive multiple services
  • 20:26in the in their community.
  • 20:28Our most marginalized groups can
  • 20:30feel negatively labeled and they may
  • 20:32interpret experiences as rejection
  • 20:34or rejecting or hostile which tend
  • 20:37to minimize their trust in providers
  • 20:40who are trying to support them.
  • 20:43So it is really important and we
  • 20:45actually model and roll favor
  • 20:48effective communication looks like
  • 20:50between clients and providers.
  • 20:52We reinforces use of trauma,
  • 20:54sensitive language that acknowledges
  • 20:56and validate experiences which
  • 20:58help families feel safer.
  • 21:00We avoid blaming,
  • 21:01shaming and anything that could
  • 21:03be triggering or retraumatizing.
  • 21:05Most importantly,
  • 21:06we focus on our clients strength and
  • 21:10encourage them to rely on their resilience,
  • 21:13our focus in communication
  • 21:16build improved understanding.
  • 21:19Thank you for your time and you will
  • 21:21be hearing from my colleague Bridget.
  • 21:23Thanks,
  • 21:23Rashawn.
  • 21:25Hi, my name is Bridget Torres.
  • 21:28I'm a licensed clinical social worker
  • 21:29and have been a clinician and supervisor
  • 21:32in the ICAPS program for nine years.
  • 21:34I'm really, really excited to get
  • 21:35the chance to talk to you all today.
  • 21:39As my colleagues have already highlighted,
  • 21:40community based services work to meet
  • 21:42the needs of children and their families
  • 21:45wherever they are with compassion, humility,
  • 21:47collaboration and authentic connection.
  • 21:51Many of the youth that access
  • 21:53community based services like ICAPS
  • 21:55have experiences that fall under the
  • 21:57umbrella of complex trauma or repeated,
  • 21:59pervasive interpersonal traumatic
  • 22:00events that can impact their sense of
  • 22:03safety both within their communities,
  • 22:05their homes, and their caregivers.
  • 22:08Many of these youth develop ways
  • 22:10of coping and surviving,
  • 22:11which makes sense at the time but
  • 22:14become maladaptive over the years,
  • 22:15including dissociation,
  • 22:16self harm, suicidal ideation,
  • 22:19and physical and verbal aggression.
  • 22:21And as Taylor addressed,
  • 22:23many of their caregivers have had
  • 22:25similar experiences and developed
  • 22:26their own ways of coping and surviving.
  • 22:29And when we first meet many of our clients,
  • 22:32they already have had experiences
  • 22:34of inpatient hospitalization,
  • 22:35outpatient therapy,
  • 22:36and invalidating experiences
  • 22:38with larger institutions,
  • 22:40sometimes including our own.
  • 22:42And again, so have so many of their parents.
  • 22:47Making the extra effort to join with and
  • 22:50understand is extra valuable when others
  • 22:52have not attempted to build trust before.
  • 22:55Building a strong,
  • 22:56authentic relationship is key to creating
  • 22:59a space where youth can do the difficult
  • 23:02work of working through their emotions,
  • 23:04finding ways to express them,
  • 23:06making sense of their experiences,
  • 23:08and then sharing this story and their
  • 23:11narrative with their caregivers with
  • 23:13the hopes that their caregivers
  • 23:15can better understand them and
  • 23:16begin to be a steady guide.
  • 23:18As clinicians,
  • 23:19we work to build epistemic trust
  • 23:21with our clients and their families.
  • 23:24This refers to the capacity for
  • 23:26someone to trust in the knowledge
  • 23:27that somebody else is imparting.
  • 23:29When youth and their families have
  • 23:31experiences of complex trauma,
  • 23:33epistemic trust with anyone
  • 23:35is difficult to build.
  • 23:36Those who were supposed to protect them
  • 23:39could not or were actively harmful.
  • 23:41As clinicians, we have to be present,
  • 23:43actively engaged,
  • 23:44non judgmental and align our
  • 23:46pace with our clients.
  • 23:48And it is this trust that can help clients
  • 23:50to continue to access care as they need
  • 23:53it throughout the course of their lives.
  • 23:55You've likely heard of the
  • 23:57concept of a continuing of care,
  • 23:58which includes preventative care,
  • 24:00treatment, rehab, and maintenance.
  • 24:02The needs of youths and their
  • 24:04families are rarely as linear,
  • 24:06especially as stressors can
  • 24:08compound over time and generations.
  • 24:11The intensity of support needed may
  • 24:13wax and wane as youth transition
  • 24:15through different developmental stages.
  • 24:17And I know this isn't like big news,
  • 24:20but growing up is very difficult develop.
  • 24:22The task of becoming a person is hard,
  • 24:26and the task of helping somebody grow
  • 24:28up into a person is really hard.
  • 24:30And for almost everyone.
  • 24:32Life gets more complicated with time.
  • 24:34The special kind of trust that
  • 24:37families may develop with us,
  • 24:39as in home clinicians and is actually an
  • 24:42extended part of their communities can
  • 24:45act as a long term stabilizing force.
  • 24:48I and many of my colleagues have had
  • 24:50the experience where we've worked with
  • 24:52families and I caps, maybe worked
  • 24:53with them in an outpatient setting.
  • 24:55And then as needs change,
  • 24:56something happens.
  • 24:57They come back to us in I CAPS.
  • 24:59And where there is that extra boost
  • 25:02and support for the whole family until
  • 25:05things have kind of gotten back to
  • 25:07a point where they're regulated and
  • 25:09maybe they come back to outpatient or
  • 25:12move on for another community support.
  • 25:19This connection, long term connection
  • 25:20and understanding can help to build
  • 25:23resiliency and youth who then have
  • 25:25another stable figure to go to as needed,
  • 25:27who can understand their home life
  • 25:29in a different way and can serve as
  • 25:32a bridge between themselves and their
  • 25:34caregivers when they're at an impasse.
  • 25:36There is so much power in human connection,
  • 25:40in just being with each other and in being
  • 25:43seen working in community with each other.
  • 25:46That includes the providers,
  • 25:48schools, caregivers,
  • 25:49everybody that's around helps us all
  • 25:52to access these essentials more fully.
  • 25:54And thank you so much for your time.
  • 25:57I'm going to pass it over to
  • 26:00Doctor Amanda Demmer now.
  • 26:01Thank
  • 26:02you, Bridget. And wow,
  • 26:03I'm just so honored to be included in
  • 26:06this panel of my expert colleagues.
  • 26:08I've already learned so much
  • 26:10just by listening to you all.
  • 26:13I'm thrilled today to build on what my
  • 26:16colleagues have shared by discussing
  • 26:18some of the research that we've done
  • 26:20looking at the impact of school
  • 26:23based mental health on students,
  • 26:25educational and behavioral health outcomes.
  • 26:28And as we've already heard,
  • 26:30it really takes a village to raise children,
  • 26:33and not just to raise them but as
  • 26:35Doctor Mays mentioned at the beginning,
  • 26:37to teach them the skills to
  • 26:40thrive in their environment.
  • 26:41And when we think about it, right,
  • 26:43school is the place where our kids spend
  • 26:46the majority of their waking hours.
  • 26:49So this is really a prime opportunity
  • 26:53to act on behalf of our kids.
  • 26:57Now, I am not a clinician,
  • 26:58so I I can't speak to personal experience
  • 27:02in treating children in schools.
  • 27:04But why I'm excited to share a
  • 27:06little bit about today is the work
  • 27:09that we've been partnering with,
  • 27:11doing and partnering with a provider
  • 27:14of in school mental health services.
  • 27:18So in 2022, just a few years ago,
  • 27:22we began this formal partnership
  • 27:24with an organization called
  • 27:26Effective School Solutions.
  • 27:27Now this is an organization based in
  • 27:30New Jersey and they began in 2009
  • 27:33as a private therapeutic day school.
  • 27:36So this was an out of district placement,
  • 27:38right,
  • 27:38for students who couldn't be
  • 27:40served in their home district.
  • 27:42And out of the services grew
  • 27:44an idea from ESS.
  • 27:45You know,
  • 27:46why can't we take the same type
  • 27:47of clinical programming that
  • 27:49we offer out of district?
  • 27:50Why can't we adapt it and offer
  • 27:52it within the school walls so that
  • 27:54students can stay in their district?
  • 27:56That's really the ultimate goal.
  • 27:58And thus thus was born ESS as
  • 28:02it stands today.
  • 28:04And ESS now serves over 6000
  • 28:07students nationwide each day in
  • 28:10over 120 districts in 12 states.
  • 28:13And that includes Connecticut.
  • 28:14In fact in Connecticut at our
  • 28:17most recent analysis,
  • 28:18ESS is serving over 600 students
  • 28:21which is second only behind
  • 28:23its home state of New Jersey.
  • 28:26And So what we wanted to do in
  • 28:28partnership with ESS that they
  • 28:29hadn't been able to do yet was
  • 28:32really start looking at the impact
  • 28:34of their in school services.
  • 28:35So what kind of services do they provide?
  • 28:39Well ES S s mission is to provide
  • 28:42high quality and cost effective
  • 28:44clinical programming for youth K
  • 28:47through 12 in district and this
  • 28:49is for students with really the
  • 28:51most significant emotional and
  • 28:53behavioral challenges.
  • 28:54So ESS follows a multi tiered
  • 28:58systems of support and what this
  • 29:01means in practice is that ESS
  • 29:04provides in the school building
  • 29:06both Tier 2 and Tier 3 services.
  • 29:09So these would be programming that
  • 29:13either offer moderate intensity care
  • 29:16and crisis response for students
  • 29:19at kind of the Tier 2 level or for
  • 29:22really the most in need students.
  • 29:24This would be intensive in school
  • 29:27clinical support during the school day
  • 29:30and these are really comprehensive
  • 29:32wrap around services.
  • 29:33So it includes on site clinical
  • 29:35care from a a licensed clinician,
  • 29:38behavioral programming both individually
  • 29:40and in groups with other with peers.
  • 29:44It also includes other services we that
  • 29:46may not come to top of mind immediately
  • 29:50like school avoidance interventions,
  • 29:51family support.
  • 29:52So families are brought into the schools
  • 29:55as well to engage in therapeutic sessions,
  • 29:58multiple layers of supervision
  • 30:00across the school setting,
  • 30:02clinical documentation and then
  • 30:05crucially it also includes professional
  • 30:08development and psychoeducation for
  • 30:10the educators in the school building.
  • 30:13And So what we found in our just the
  • 30:16past couple years of working with ESS
  • 30:18is that this type of programming and
  • 30:21meeting students where they are during the
  • 30:24day really has potential to benefit students.
  • 30:29And we found this is true not only
  • 30:32behaviorally but academically.
  • 30:34And that's where I'm gonna start first.
  • 30:35So we found that compared to baseline,
  • 30:38which is the period of time,
  • 30:39the marking period in schools before students
  • 30:43were officially enrolled in ESS services,
  • 30:45right.
  • 30:46So compared to baseline,
  • 30:48students saw a a significant
  • 30:51increase in their GPA.
  • 30:54And so for 65% of those
  • 30:56students who enrolled in ESS,
  • 30:57they either maintained or increased
  • 31:00their GPA compared to baseline.
  • 31:02And we followed this up with a
  • 31:04sort of a fidelity analysis.
  • 31:06So what we mean by fidelity analysis
  • 31:09is we we recognize that school
  • 31:11districts are not going to be able
  • 31:14to uniformly implement ESS services
  • 31:16for a variety of reasons, right?
  • 31:19But in order to maybe try to
  • 31:22prompt districts to adhere to ES
  • 31:24s s highest standard of care,
  • 31:26we conducted this fidelity analysis
  • 31:29where we divided students who
  • 31:31received in school mental health
  • 31:34services to two groups.
  • 31:35So the first of those was what we
  • 31:38called a high fidelity group and
  • 31:40this is where students were received
  • 31:453 therapeutic sessions in the past
  • 31:48two weeks plus one family session
  • 31:52and that occurred for at least
  • 31:53half the school year.
  • 31:55Low fidelity were those students
  • 31:56that received less than that and
  • 31:58we found that for those students
  • 32:00engaged in high fidelity programming,
  • 32:02they they realized a greater
  • 32:04than 30% increase in their GPA.
  • 32:07We saw reductions in absences and
  • 32:10disciplinary incidents as well.
  • 32:12Crucially though,
  • 32:13we also wanted to look at mental
  • 32:17and behavioral health outcomes.
  • 32:19And so post ESS enrollment in
  • 32:21the 12 months following the start
  • 32:23of these therapeutic services,
  • 32:25we found that inpatient hospitalizations
  • 32:28for these students is decreased by 56%,
  • 32:30which is I think a staggering number.
  • 32:33And the number of weeks these students
  • 32:35needed to spend in higher levels of care,
  • 32:38which is intensive outpatient
  • 32:40referrals or partial hospitalizations,
  • 32:43those were reduced by 35%.
  • 32:46So this is really promising type
  • 32:48of intervention that I think
  • 32:50can work really strongly,
  • 32:51really well in conjunction with
  • 32:53the types of services that we've
  • 32:55heard about already to provide the
  • 32:57optimal care for our students by,
  • 32:59as we've already heard,
  • 33:01meeting them where they are.
  • 33:02So thank you very much and
  • 33:04I'm really looking forward
  • 33:05to our Q&A. Thank
  • 33:06you so much, Amanda.
  • 33:08Really appreciate everyone bringing
  • 33:10us into such a rich discussion.
  • 33:13There's some questions coming in,
  • 33:14but I want to actually begin with,
  • 33:17with one question that I suspect
  • 33:20might be on everyone's mind and
  • 33:24maybe well why don't I put the
  • 33:27question out and and let any one
  • 33:28of you begin to to think about it.
  • 33:31So just thinking really practically,
  • 33:33I know you work with many children
  • 33:35who have a number of needs,
  • 33:37but often times can be very, very upset.
  • 33:40Could you just talk about what you've
  • 33:42learned in your work that you would
  • 33:44do if you're if a child was having a a
  • 33:47meltdown and the adults around them,
  • 33:49We're also feeling really overwhelmed.
  • 33:52What are some of the strategies that you
  • 33:54could give people to to think about?
  • 33:57And Taylor, would you like to start?
  • 34:00Yeah, sure. I I'd be happy to.
  • 34:02I think this is a really human thing that
  • 34:05occurs in our relationships and having
  • 34:07things come up for us when we are the
  • 34:11protectors and caregivers for children,
  • 34:13one of the best things that we can
  • 34:14do first is to practice, look inward
  • 34:17and practice our own self regulation.
  • 34:19Because if we bring our frustration or
  • 34:23our intensity, our overwhelm into that,
  • 34:25we are now taking that child's emotions
  • 34:28and adding ours into that pot.
  • 34:30And so the best thing we can do
  • 34:32is to to do something to regulate
  • 34:34ourselves and work on our regulation
  • 34:36and then we can sit with them in
  • 34:39that overwhelm that they're having.
  • 34:40So that can be really just naming
  • 34:43what we see and just being with,
  • 34:46not trying to change it,
  • 34:49not trying to minimize or shift,
  • 34:51but just staying with.
  • 34:52And that's a it's a really hard task
  • 34:54to do I think when when everything is
  • 34:57chaotic you might have multiple kids
  • 34:59whether that's in the classroom and
  • 35:00you're you're a teacher or whether
  • 35:02you're in the hospital and you're
  • 35:03with a family that's struggling
  • 35:04or whether you are a parent and
  • 35:07you're in the thick of things So.
  • 35:09So looking in naming emotions
  • 35:11and just being with is is really
  • 35:14the best way to start.
  • 35:17Great thanks. Any other
  • 35:18anybody else want to add
  • 35:24another question has come across
  • 35:26the question answers about can
  • 35:29we discuss the availability of
  • 35:31services for non-english non Spanish
  • 35:33speakers anyone like to take that
  • 35:40just looking Bridget do you want to
  • 35:43go I think it's a it's a everybody
  • 35:47paused because I think it's a
  • 35:48challenging question to the answer
  • 35:50because they're the resources feel
  • 35:53very limited a lot of the time.
  • 35:55I know that for non-english,
  • 35:58non Spanish speaking folks, which we have,
  • 36:01we've worked with people in the community
  • 36:04with different levels of English language
  • 36:07ability and whose first language varies.
  • 36:10And we do have access to translation and
  • 36:14interpretation services and we've been
  • 36:17able to provide services in that way.
  • 36:21And I believe more recently we're now
  • 36:23able to actually have an interpreter
  • 36:26that can come to the homes with us.
  • 36:28When we do do visits with families
  • 36:31that need interpretation services,
  • 36:33which I've used before and has been helpful,
  • 36:38especially because often we're able
  • 36:41to have the same person come as an
  • 36:45interpreter and so they kind of get
  • 36:47to know the family.
  • 36:48But it it can,
  • 36:49it can be a huge barrier,
  • 36:51I think.
  • 36:52And we do,
  • 36:53we definitely need more people that
  • 36:57are bilingual and in Spanish and
  • 37:01and every other language because it
  • 37:03would really be beneficial for us to
  • 37:05sort of be able to help more people.
  • 37:08I certainly agree. Anyone else want to add?
  • 37:13Hi there. I think you're on mute. Yeah,
  • 37:16I was just agreeing with Bridget
  • 37:18and shaking my head very,
  • 37:19very much so because it, yeah,
  • 37:21I think it speaks to the need in
  • 37:23the populations like our catchment
  • 37:25area specifically serves too, right.
  • 37:27So we're, yeah, it's Shoreline
  • 37:29towns but we're in New Haven, right.
  • 37:32And our catchment area really extends
  • 37:34different ways and Spanish speaking
  • 37:36communities and like Bridget you
  • 37:37named as well it's not just Spanish
  • 37:40speaking but yeah resources are
  • 37:42are always needed in addition to
  • 37:44clinicians who really can sit with
  • 37:46and and and language that clients
  • 37:48and families and and children feel
  • 37:50best comfortable in speaking in.
  • 37:53Thank you. I know that we also have
  • 37:55partnered very effectively with
  • 37:57our health system colleagues on
  • 37:59increasing interpreter resources
  • 38:00certainly for your in home,
  • 38:02for all of our in home services but
  • 38:05also for when children come or in the
  • 38:07hospital or come to our outpatient clinic.
  • 38:11So but it's absolutely a tremendous
  • 38:13need and it's important that we
  • 38:15also attend to the culture that
  • 38:18families bring to us as well.
  • 38:22Amanda, could I,
  • 38:23could I give a question to you?
  • 38:25Sure. Could you also talk about the,
  • 38:29besides the obviously the
  • 38:31information that you provided
  • 38:33about the benefits to students,
  • 38:35behavioral how,
  • 38:36what are some other benefits
  • 38:38that might be accrue from having
  • 38:40mental health embedded in schools?
  • 38:43Absolutely. What a couple of other findings
  • 38:47that I didn't have time to delve into
  • 38:50were those for a marginalized students.
  • 38:53And so in our analysis we found
  • 38:56that in those in that reduction
  • 38:59of inpatient hospitalizations
  • 39:01following ESS services that was even
  • 39:04higher for LGBTQ plus students,
  • 39:06it was a 62% reduction.
  • 39:08And when we looked at weeks and
  • 39:11higher level of care that ranged from
  • 39:1451 to 68% for non white students.
  • 39:16So when we're talking about equitable
  • 39:19access especially for students who
  • 39:21may be having difficulty for various
  • 39:24reasons and getting the mental
  • 39:25health services that they need,
  • 39:27I think this is has really
  • 39:29strong potential getting to meet
  • 39:30these students where they are.
  • 39:32Thank
  • 39:34you. Well, what are the policy
  • 39:37implications that you see for the.
  • 39:40Yeah, so especially for other for
  • 39:44providers or maybe primary care providers.
  • 39:47You know, I think this is really a
  • 39:50unique opportunity to strengthen advocacy
  • 39:54efforts and really coalesce around
  • 39:57this notion of it taking a village.
  • 40:00And we really think that these
  • 40:03data especially looking at the
  • 40:05inpatient hospitalizations,
  • 40:06higher level of care and how those
  • 40:09were reduced following school
  • 40:10based mental health services,
  • 40:12we really think this has strong
  • 40:14policy implication for you know,
  • 40:16changing the way that health
  • 40:19insurance providers will decide
  • 40:21to reimburse services, right.
  • 40:23And so right now as it stands,
  • 40:26these same services could be provided in
  • 40:28a building right next door to the school
  • 40:31and be covered by health insurance,
  • 40:34but they're not covered in the school.
  • 40:36And we're really hoping that data like
  • 40:37these might help change that eventually.
  • 40:39And this is where we can really use
  • 40:42strong vocal support for these kinds
  • 40:43of services from our colleagues.
  • 40:46Absolutely. Thank you.
  • 40:47Another question has come in and
  • 40:50maybe Rashani, this would be maybe
  • 40:53you could address it or anyone,
  • 40:56but can you talk about situations where
  • 40:59other clinical clinicians biases might
  • 41:02impact their support for families,
  • 41:05especially as we're trying to
  • 41:06think so much about culturally
  • 41:08sensitive care and then doing that.
  • 41:13Thank you. Yeah, I think most of
  • 41:16the time our work is really try
  • 41:19to help other providers to see
  • 41:21the family in a broader view.
  • 41:24Of course we need family's permission
  • 41:27to especially get consent to see if
  • 41:31like if we can support the providers
  • 41:33to recognize the impact of trauma in
  • 41:37families life and also like learn
  • 41:39about what difficulties the the the
  • 41:42client or the family or the child
  • 41:44had in the past with the providers or
  • 41:48just in general accessing services.
  • 41:50It is really,
  • 41:52really important providers take
  • 41:55client as the expert on their life,
  • 41:58just listen to them.
  • 42:00I had AI had an example,
  • 42:02a parent who was with the provider
  • 42:05felt really invalidated because the
  • 42:08provider looked in the computer
  • 42:11and kind of like to took that as an
  • 42:14expert on client's life trying to
  • 42:16tell her you have this diagnosis
  • 42:18you have to do this because of
  • 42:20that and really didn't have.
  • 42:22He didn't take the client view
  • 42:24and she actually told me that
  • 42:27I thought very powerful,
  • 42:28no one can tell my story like I do.
  • 42:31I have to tell the I had to tell
  • 42:34the provider what actually went on.
  • 42:38So I think it's really important to
  • 42:39take the client centered approach,
  • 42:41empower the client,
  • 42:43focus on clients strength needs and let
  • 42:47them make choices and support the growth.
  • 42:51Also taking a holistic approach
  • 42:53client to receive services with
  • 42:55physical health and mental health
  • 42:57other services and one of the most
  • 43:00important thing that I also see
  • 43:02providers can hold cultural biases on
  • 43:05assuming that may things that impact
  • 43:08the interaction with the clients.
  • 43:10Some providers comfort level can be
  • 43:14difficult for them to stay with the
  • 43:17client when the client coming with the
  • 43:20high anxiety or intense and become defense.
  • 43:23I think those are the some of the
  • 43:25things that we can address and
  • 43:27support providers to understand
  • 43:29so families can get the support.
  • 43:33Thank you for that. Anyone else want to add?
  • 43:36Yeah, thanks Rashawni.
  • 43:37I think you did a a great job summing,
  • 43:39summarizing that all.
  • 43:40And I just kind of going on to
  • 43:43what you said about providers.
  • 43:44I think almost what we can do on our
  • 43:47provider side is like the language
  • 43:49that we use in describing and talking
  • 43:52about our clients and the people
  • 43:54we serve is incredibly important
  • 43:55because you can set up someone when
  • 43:57you're transitioning them to care
  • 43:59a very different way by what you
  • 44:01highlight and what you're showing
  • 44:03about the case and what you're how
  • 44:05you're thinking about another person.
  • 44:07And so there's like stigma about diagnosis
  • 44:10and and how things might present.
  • 44:12And sometimes like you can look at a
  • 44:15child in the referral we get of what
  • 44:17they're described behaviorally as being
  • 44:19like and and what their diagnosis are
  • 44:21and their their level of medication.
  • 44:23And then you meet this really sweet
  • 44:26kid that's just has so many strengths.
  • 44:28And I think what language we
  • 44:29use in sharing and telling about
  • 44:31things like our our clients to each
  • 44:33other is really important.
  • 44:35Absolutely appreciate that.
  • 44:38We have another really practical
  • 44:40question that if the student needs
  • 44:42help at school how is that referral
  • 44:45initiated is does it come by the school,
  • 44:47by the primary care pediatrician,
  • 44:49by the family?
  • 44:51Amanda do you want to take that or
  • 44:55I think I I may need a little more clarity
  • 44:58by what they mean by help at school.
  • 45:01I'm I'm gonna go on an assumption
  • 45:03that this may mean they need
  • 45:06therapeutic help at school. Yeah.
  • 45:09So to the best of my knowledge,
  • 45:13this is generally begun by, well,
  • 45:19in the schools where these services exist.
  • 45:23This is generally begun through consultation
  • 45:26with I think all all parties, the family,
  • 45:30the student themselves, of course.
  • 45:32And then the maybe the school psychologist
  • 45:35who would then refer them for an initial
  • 45:39evaluation like an intake and then
  • 45:41determine their eligibility for the in
  • 45:44school intensive mental health services.
  • 45:46So I hope that answers the question
  • 45:49and if not please follow up. OK,
  • 45:52so so usually by a person in
  • 45:56the school in college, that's
  • 45:57my understanding. Typically yes.
  • 46:00But in in the schools in which
  • 46:02the ESS services are embedded,
  • 46:04the request may come for example
  • 46:06from a parent, have the student
  • 46:08be evaluated for eligibility.
  • 46:13You know, for
  • 46:13all of you, I think mental health and
  • 46:16advocating for more what children
  • 46:18need and more services on how you get
  • 46:21better access to services is a is a
  • 46:24is a challenge that we all share.
  • 46:26And I guess I would ask you maybe
  • 46:28to to talk of a little bit about
  • 46:31how can families be involved and
  • 46:34advocating for children broadly,
  • 46:37but in advocating for the services that
  • 46:39they want and need for their child.
  • 46:49Yeah, I didn't mind getting going.
  • 46:51And then I'd love to hear others,
  • 46:53too, 'cause I think it,
  • 46:54everyone brings in such like
  • 46:57great perspective, you know,
  • 46:58like everyone's kind of talking about,
  • 47:00I know and like our model,
  • 47:01like the first month or so,
  • 47:03we're really working to gather
  • 47:04a lot of information.
  • 47:05We're making those calls.
  • 47:07We're talking to pediatricians,
  • 47:09we're talking to schools.
  • 47:10But I think the most important people we
  • 47:12need to be talking to are the families
  • 47:14that we're sitting in the room with.
  • 47:15You know and I think like we've
  • 47:17all talked about parents are doing
  • 47:19their best and figuring out also
  • 47:22what needs they would like to have
  • 47:24addressed are are always in the
  • 47:25forefront and really pairing with them,
  • 47:27joining with them if you will of you
  • 47:30know for example like I'm thinking about
  • 47:32school services from the lens of our work,
  • 47:34right.
  • 47:34So we might step into a the picture
  • 47:37where kids really struggling in
  • 47:39school you know academically,
  • 47:40socially, etcetera and their
  • 47:42classified maybe as regular education.
  • 47:45So it's really sitting down with a kid,
  • 47:46it's sitting down with a parent
  • 47:48and it's like, hey,
  • 47:49what has been your experience
  • 47:51with working with schools,
  • 47:52fostering relationships with schools
  • 47:54and then working with parents too,
  • 47:57to write a letter to have a school meeting?
  • 47:59Hey, let's chat,
  • 48:00let's see what's going on,
  • 48:01what's working, what's not.
  • 48:04And usually parents,
  • 48:05parents know what's best and and we
  • 48:08let them be in that seat, that's,
  • 48:10that's the seat for them.
  • 48:16I think I
  • 48:17would. I would like to add sometimes our
  • 48:21parents are not aware of the services
  • 48:25and resources that are available.
  • 48:28Especially thinking about the school when
  • 48:30a child is refusing to go to school or
  • 48:34child is having difficulties in the school.
  • 48:36There are different services
  • 48:38that available for parent,
  • 48:39but parents get really anxious or parent
  • 48:42get really frustrated because it might
  • 48:44be because they don't have the trust in
  • 48:47the system or trust with the providers
  • 48:49or care that they may have received.
  • 48:51In the past.
  • 48:52Sometimes we had situations that
  • 48:55parent actually decided to home school.
  • 48:57I think educating them and supporting
  • 49:00them to understand what services
  • 49:02available for them is also very important.
  • 49:07I think a very practical question
  • 49:10for all of you working in homes
  • 49:13you you well one thing is I it's
  • 49:15would like you and in many ways
  • 49:17to talk about you you see so much
  • 49:19more in homes and you you've talked
  • 49:21about that that kind of advantage.
  • 49:23But I'm I'm really sure that you
  • 49:25have to see a lot of children there
  • 49:26who they don't want to go to school.
  • 49:28They they prefer the safety of home or
  • 49:31whole whole post of reasons and I think
  • 49:35that that is sometimes a universal issue.
  • 49:38So do you have some practical ideas for
  • 49:41parents on how to address where their
  • 49:43child does not want to go to school?
  • 49:46Oh, what a challenge I think it's yeah,
  • 49:54I'm, I, I welcome anybody to
  • 49:56jump in here because this is,
  • 49:58it's really tough right now.
  • 50:00I feel like it's it's something
  • 50:02that has been happening and is
  • 50:04is like a perpetual challenge.
  • 50:05But also since the pandemic started
  • 50:09and students started school from
  • 50:12home and then maybe never really
  • 50:14fully transitioned in new schools
  • 50:15gotten much more difficult.
  • 50:18I think from a very big in like the
  • 50:21most basic sense if the if your child
  • 50:24doesn't want to go to school and
  • 50:27they are spending a lot of time then
  • 50:29on the computer or on video games
  • 50:31or like how are they spending the
  • 50:34time when they would normally be in
  • 50:36school and kind of removing access
  • 50:40to those things at the time when
  • 50:44they would normally be at school.
  • 50:47Because if if the difficulty is
  • 50:48that it's preferable to do that.
  • 50:50But I think often there's something
  • 50:55going on under the surface of the
  • 50:57school refusal and so I would I would
  • 51:01also recommend working with a clinician
  • 51:04either in you know an eye caps level
  • 51:07of care and outpatient level to try to
  • 51:10understand what is going on and what
  • 51:12is kind of fueling the school refusal.
  • 51:14Is it is it around bullying?
  • 51:16Is it because they don't understand the
  • 51:19work and it feels uncomfortable to do.
  • 51:22Is it that school's over stimulating?
  • 51:25There are so many different reasons that
  • 51:28kids are not going to school right now.
  • 51:31And
  • 51:34it takes, it takes like the whole
  • 51:36community to be able to help get them back.
  • 51:39And including a clinician,
  • 51:41including the school.
  • 51:42There's a lot that you can do when
  • 51:47there's some that you can do in terms
  • 51:49of working with the school to help get
  • 51:51the get your child kind of back in if
  • 51:55they don't have any kind of services yet.
  • 51:59You can advocate for something
  • 52:01called a five O 4 plan,
  • 52:03which is if your child has any
  • 52:05kind of psychiatric diagnosis,
  • 52:06they do qualify for a five O 4 plan.
  • 52:09Parent can request this via writing
  • 52:12and have a meeting with the school,
  • 52:13and this is a kind of less formal
  • 52:18way of getting additional services
  • 52:21in place for your for your child.
  • 52:23And that can include maybe like different
  • 52:26ways that their work gets presented to them.
  • 52:29It can include having 1/2 day or
  • 52:32moving their schedule around in a
  • 52:34way so that they're able to attend
  • 52:37a class that's preferable in the
  • 52:40morning and keep them there longer,
  • 52:43spend more time with friends or
  • 52:45be in classes with peers.
  • 52:47And that's like that's an early step.
  • 52:51I know everybody here has also
  • 52:53worked with folks that are having
  • 52:56trouble going to school,
  • 52:57so if you had anything else you
  • 52:59wanted to add, that would be great.
  • 53:04Yeah. Bridget, you summarized it really,
  • 53:06really wonderfully that there's so many
  • 53:08things and the first thing we need
  • 53:11to do really is understand what is
  • 53:13that reason for the school avoidance,
  • 53:16because it can come from all these
  • 53:19different things going on at school
  • 53:21that makes school stressful.
  • 53:23It can also be things that are at
  • 53:25home that might be driving it.
  • 53:26So that can be a caregiver that the
  • 53:29child's really worried about or has
  • 53:31a really strong attachment to and
  • 53:33has a hard time separating from.
  • 53:34It can be a peer that also is not
  • 53:37engaging in school somewhere else
  • 53:39and they're communicating with and
  • 53:41kind of there's a a cohort thing
  • 53:43occurring there's it can be really
  • 53:47really strong depression and and
  • 53:49maybe needing medication support to
  • 53:50get out of that because it's it's
  • 53:53at a really strong level.
  • 53:54So there's so many different reasons
  • 53:56and the the best way to start is to be
  • 53:59curious and create an open and safe
  • 54:01space for that child to really share
  • 54:03with you what's going on in their world.
  • 54:06So you can kind of figure out
  • 54:07OK now how do we tackle it.
  • 54:08It's
  • 54:11a fun work to
  • 54:12ask you because you've all again
  • 54:14been homes for with many children.
  • 54:17Have you had a sense of the impact
  • 54:19of the pandemic when children were
  • 54:21off of spending more time at home
  • 54:24or or school was very different.
  • 54:26Would you would you have
  • 54:28any comments about that?
  • 54:34We can, I can jump, But unless OK,
  • 54:39there's definitely been a
  • 54:40large impact of the pandemic.
  • 54:42And I think not only on
  • 54:44kids but also on caregivers.
  • 54:46It's kind of everybody from
  • 54:48what I've seen going in
  • 54:53in that and and Taylor references
  • 54:56too of like for kids to be OK,
  • 54:59parents also need to be OK,
  • 55:02need to be working on
  • 55:04understanding themselves,
  • 55:05what's triggering them.
  • 55:05And I think the pandemic was
  • 55:07just an intensely stressful,
  • 55:09scary time for everybody.
  • 55:11And we were all trying to get
  • 55:14by and for a lot of us and felt
  • 55:18the lingering effects of that,
  • 55:19like this mass deeply scary event are still,
  • 55:26they're still present.
  • 55:28So we've seen that parental
  • 55:29stress has been up and that's
  • 55:32impacted kids and vice versa.
  • 55:34And even I think still there's the
  • 55:41ongoing work of trusting the world again.
  • 55:45For some people like it was very
  • 55:50scary time and not to discount
  • 55:53at the same time kind of all of
  • 55:56the social movements that came to
  • 55:59afford during the pandemic and that,
  • 56:02I mean that's active.
  • 56:04That's an active part of our work
  • 56:05too of of thinking through the ways
  • 56:07that identity and everything impacts,
  • 56:12impacts a person's sense of safety.
  • 56:14And yeah, so there's been pretty
  • 56:18significant impacts. Yeah, Taylor,
  • 56:20well, yeah, I think I think the pandemic
  • 56:23also normalized disconnection, right.
  • 56:25That was like actually called for.
  • 56:27And so especially for children in this
  • 56:30foundational time where you're working
  • 56:32on building relationships and where
  • 56:33like if you if you I guess just even
  • 56:36thinking about like the world around us,
  • 56:38what gives us like the lifeblood and
  • 56:40feeds us and what gives us energy is,
  • 56:42is community is like outside
  • 56:44connections or hobbies or communities
  • 56:47that like bring groups together.
  • 56:50And when not having those was
  • 56:53just this foundation for so long,
  • 56:56I think it's really hard for people
  • 56:58to transition back into that.
  • 56:59So like one of the best things we can
  • 57:01do is get involved, get connected,
  • 57:03kind of shake some of that disconnection
  • 57:06up because that's been something people
  • 57:09have been suffering for a while now.
  • 57:12Yeah,
  • 57:12really, really agree.
  • 57:13So we're just, we're at our time,
  • 57:15want to thank all the presenters
  • 57:17for joining and then doing this.
  • 57:19Really appreciate it.
  • 57:21And to remind everyone that we
  • 57:22will have another one coming
  • 57:24up next week where we will talk
  • 57:26about parenting and transition,
  • 57:28adults transitioning to parenthood.
  • 57:31Look forward to your questions.
  • 57:32Look forward to joining again.
  • 57:34Thank you so much for coming
  • 57:36together to think about children
  • 57:38and families and to my colleagues
  • 57:40for such rich presentations.
  • 57:42Thanks everybody.