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Yale Psychiatry Grand Rounds: March 12, 2021

March 12, 2021

Yale Psychiatry Grand Rounds: March 12, 2021

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  • 00:00Today's grand rounds is also
  • 00:02really important, I mean.
  • 00:06Uh. It's a reminder that at
  • 00:09our heart it as a Department.
  • 00:11We're committed to excellence
  • 00:13in in the way in which we,
  • 00:16we deliver care for people.
  • 00:20Very good to excellent is not good enough
  • 00:25that we can find in the work that we do.
  • 00:30Opportunities to better serve the
  • 00:33patients that we treat and their families.
  • 00:36Anne Anne at the same time as we're
  • 00:41learning about how to do better. We're also.
  • 00:46Learning generalizable lessons about
  • 00:47how, as a
  • 00:49field we can do better
  • 00:50to take care of patients,
  • 00:52and so the commitment to quality is not
  • 00:55just a commitment to local excellence,
  • 00:58but a commitment to seeing that all
  • 01:00psychiatric patients thrive to the extent
  • 01:03possible when they come to us for help.
  • 01:06So I'm really excited about this lecture.
  • 01:08I'm really pleased to see
  • 01:10the diversity of people who,
  • 01:12insights and projects that that
  • 01:14we'll talk about in terms of our
  • 01:17commitment to excellence and.
  • 01:18And thank the speakers for what
  • 01:21I know will be a great session.
  • 01:24So Michael Doctor Sarniak,
  • 01:25I'll turn it over
  • 01:27to you. Thank you
  • 01:29very much. Doctor crystal.
  • 01:31First, I want to thank everyone for
  • 01:34attending today and I would thank them
  • 01:36for giving me a reason to wear a coat
  • 01:39and tie for the first time in a year.
  • 01:42And so I got that going and appreciate
  • 01:44it I'm the deputy chair for clinical
  • 01:47Affairs and program development
  • 01:49and the CEO at CMH. See today.
  • 01:51I just have a distinct pleasure.
  • 01:53I presenting the work of
  • 01:55a four very thoughtful.
  • 01:57I won't say junior junior to mid level
  • 01:59faculty who are working throughout the
  • 02:01Department on on quality issues and I
  • 02:04think to echo what Doctor Crystal said.
  • 02:06I think to put a four in in the grand
  • 02:09rounds format of our tripartite mission.
  • 02:13Of research,
  • 02:13education and clinical care,
  • 02:15and I think that those of us who are
  • 02:17old enough to know that there have been
  • 02:20times where there were case conferences
  • 02:22and other things occurred in grand rounds.
  • 02:25And so I would ask also as people
  • 02:27listen to these wonderful presentations
  • 02:29that they get to us also with ideas
  • 02:32about how we can have that sense of
  • 02:35community coming together to talk
  • 02:37about the clinical care as we strive
  • 02:40for excellence in that as we already have.
  • 02:42I excellence education and research
  • 02:44and many aspects of clinical care.
  • 02:46But I think one of the enduring things you'll
  • 02:48see today is that you can always improve,
  • 02:51and that's a really important message and
  • 02:53hopefully one of the ones that comes through.
  • 02:56So I will give you a little bio about each of
  • 03:00the presenters in the order that you'll hear.
  • 03:03They'll go through their
  • 03:05presentations or get to the end.
  • 03:07I'll make a few comments and
  • 03:09then really hope to open it up
  • 03:12to a robust period of questions,
  • 03:14answers, comments,
  • 03:15and have that kind of discussion at the end.
  • 03:19So I'd start with looming looming Lee,
  • 03:21MD, who is an assistant professor,
  • 03:24an IT department and also the medical
  • 03:26Director of clinical operations.
  • 03:28Yona Haven Health she serves as
  • 03:30the Associate medical director
  • 03:32for Quality Improvement at Yale,
  • 03:34New Haven Psychiatric Hospital and
  • 03:36her research interests are focused
  • 03:38on quality improvement,
  • 03:39psychiatric services, delivery,
  • 03:41health systems,
  • 03:41science and leadership education.
  • 03:43Then that will be filed
  • 03:45by Eric Ermes Erickson,
  • 03:47associate professor in the Department of
  • 03:50Psychiatry and outpatient psychiatrist,
  • 03:51Health Services Research and chair
  • 03:53of the mental Health Process
  • 03:55Improvement Committee at the VA,
  • 03:57Connecticut Health Care Center.
  • 04:00And then John Cahill,
  • 04:01Johns deputy medical director
  • 04:03at CMH C and Chief of Behavioral
  • 04:06Health at the Continuum of care.
  • 04:08And then he wrote this.
  • 04:10He identifies himself as a
  • 04:12recovering e.g biomarker researcher.
  • 04:14As well as a clinical administrator
  • 04:16and educator,
  • 04:17his primary interest is in developing
  • 04:19models for embedding knowledge
  • 04:21generation and translation into
  • 04:22real world systems of clinical care.
  • 04:24Forging links with basic and
  • 04:26clinical research as well service
  • 04:28users and other stakeholder groups,
  • 04:30and then the last presentation
  • 04:32will be Tobias,
  • 04:33Wasser and Tobias is the Chief
  • 04:35Medical Officer of Whiting
  • 04:36Forensic Hospital and Associate
  • 04:38Program director for the Psychiatry
  • 04:40Residency program where he overseas
  • 04:42the reflective practice curriculum.
  • 04:44Focusing on the areas of systems
  • 04:46based practice and problem
  • 04:48based learning and improvement.
  • 04:50I'm just a note before we started.
  • 04:52I think you know the idea of quality
  • 04:56definition that I would like people
  • 04:58to think about as we go through the
  • 05:00talks from the IOM and we can go
  • 05:03into the details of each of these.
  • 05:06I want to read it lengthy,
  • 05:08but if you think in terms of safe,
  • 05:11effective, patient, centered,
  • 05:12timely, efficient and equitable,
  • 05:13think those are all themes.
  • 05:15Hopefully that will touch on and we can
  • 05:17go into greater detail in the discussion.
  • 05:21And then my absolute last comment
  • 05:23before I let Doctor Lee start is to
  • 05:26thank her for her work as being the
  • 05:29energy behind this and bring this
  • 05:32together in record time against other
  • 05:35time consuming aspects of her life.
  • 05:37And I really appreciate the energy
  • 05:39that she's brought to this and
  • 05:42I look forward to hearing hers
  • 05:44and the other presentations.
  • 05:46So Doctor Lee, if you would start.
  • 05:50Thanks
  • 05:50so much like I'm really delighted
  • 05:52to be here and I'm looking forward
  • 05:55to sharing a really exciting
  • 05:57presentation about some of my work
  • 05:59going on in quality and safety.
  • 06:01And so we're going to be sharing about
  • 06:03some of the work that's happening
  • 06:06at the Yale New Haven Health site
  • 06:08on around quality and safety.
  • 06:10And you know what will really talk
  • 06:12about today is the interplay of quality
  • 06:15and safety within clinical care,
  • 06:17and so I'm going to be sharing a project,
  • 06:20but I wanted to start out with this.
  • 06:24The scaffold,
  • 06:25which is that quality and safety
  • 06:27lies at the heart of clinical
  • 06:29care and that there are a number
  • 06:31of different components to it,
  • 06:33including safety, event review,
  • 06:35patient experience,
  • 06:35quality assurance and core measures.
  • 06:37Data informatics,
  • 06:38clinical operations and measurement
  • 06:40based care and clinical outcomes
  • 06:42that all come together to really
  • 06:44center around how we can deliver
  • 06:45high quality care and safe care
  • 06:47to the patients that we serve.
  • 06:49And so Tord that, and at Yale. New Haven.
  • 06:52We've done a number of different.
  • 06:55Things to be able to move toward that,
  • 06:58including having a series
  • 06:59of educational conferences.
  • 07:01We've also worked on a number of
  • 07:03different committees to address
  • 07:05quality and safety.
  • 07:06We've developed a number of clinical
  • 07:09dashboards and have a team here to
  • 07:12really work on being able to showcase
  • 07:15how data can help us track quality of care.
  • 07:18Overtime lately,
  • 07:19what we've been working on has been a
  • 07:22focus on innovation and being able to.
  • 07:25Incorporate aspects of equity
  • 07:26in our quality and safety work,
  • 07:29and being able to acquire data elements
  • 07:32and really work on covid response and
  • 07:34quality metrics over the last year or so.
  • 07:37And so I wanted to showcase some of the
  • 07:41broader work that we're doing at Yale,
  • 07:43New Haven and then transition our talk.
  • 07:46And I wanted to be brief here,
  • 07:49but really mention that we're very
  • 07:51focused on a number of different
  • 07:53domains here at Yale, New Haven on.
  • 07:56Specifically around how we
  • 07:58do quality and safety,
  • 08:00and so I'm going to transition now
  • 08:02to talking about really exciting
  • 08:04project that we're working on.
  • 08:07So in this, you know,
  • 08:09in this work around quality and safety
  • 08:12we've wanted to work on reducing
  • 08:14variations and variations can occur
  • 08:16in a number of different ways,
  • 08:19and clinical care delivery.
  • 08:21And there's that aspect of care delivery
  • 08:24that is really great and focus on.
  • 08:27Patient center care that my
  • 08:29talked about earlier,
  • 08:30but there's also an aspect of being
  • 08:32able to ensure consistent care
  • 08:34and being able to provide evidence
  • 08:37based care to patients and so with
  • 08:39a care signature project that
  • 08:41we've taken on this is a larger
  • 08:43health system project within Yale,
  • 08:45New Haven that we've also been able to
  • 08:48work on in the psychiatry service line.
  • 08:51We wanted to,
  • 08:52you know,
  • 08:53the core tenants of this project
  • 08:55has been to ensure best.
  • 08:57Practice on minimize variations
  • 08:59that can occur,
  • 09:00and when I mentioned about variation,
  • 09:03I wanted to highlight the idea of
  • 09:05unnecessary care variation and this
  • 09:07can be ordering extra tests or delaying
  • 09:10treatment on different processes.
  • 09:12Aspects to care that we can try to
  • 09:15streamline to be able to allow more
  • 09:18efficient care and also allow for
  • 09:20high quality care and might gave
  • 09:23a definition from the Institute
  • 09:25of Medicine earlier on in the.
  • 09:28Beginning of the talk,
  • 09:29but the idea is to really allow
  • 09:32us to move toward evidence based
  • 09:34treatment in a meaningful way.
  • 09:36The other aspect to care signature that
  • 09:38I wanted to emphasize as being able to
  • 09:41improve health care access and quality.
  • 09:44An idea there is being able to provide
  • 09:46us a patient centered approach to access
  • 09:48and ensure that there is equitable
  • 09:51care processes and outcomes to do so.
  • 09:54And so these are the core principles
  • 09:56that we're working on within care.
  • 09:58Signature an.
  • 09:59I wanted to.
  • 10:00Provide that scaffold before we talk
  • 10:03about the projects themselves and
  • 10:05exactly how we're setting this up,
  • 10:07because conceptually being able to
  • 10:09provide a consistent care signature or
  • 10:12something that we want to strive toward
  • 10:14as part of broader quality improvement work,
  • 10:17and so the way that we've set
  • 10:20up here signature is to have
  • 10:23an overarching clinical body.
  • 10:24The Care Signature Council and the
  • 10:26idea is that this care Signature
  • 10:29Council has service line leadership,
  • 10:31including.
  • 10:32John, as chair of the Department and
  • 10:34Michael Holmes as the senior vice president.
  • 10:36Frankfurt and Audio who I saw earlier
  • 10:39on the on the screen grounds as
  • 10:41well as the Council chair and then
  • 10:43I work as the quality and safety
  • 10:45lead and the care signature leave.
  • 10:47The idea is that we bring together a
  • 10:50group of people that have an interest in
  • 10:53being able to advance this work in care,
  • 10:55signature and also across our delivery
  • 10:57network so that we can ensure consistent
  • 10:59care to Bridgeport and Greenwich,
  • 11:01Ann Lawrence and Memorial.
  • 11:02I under her bed as well as other
  • 11:06sites that we have in the ambulatory
  • 11:08spaces and this governing Council
  • 11:11allow works to select ideas for us
  • 11:14to work on around places where there
  • 11:16are increased areas of variation.
  • 11:19So if we think that and so the first 2
  • 11:22projects that this group has selected
  • 11:25include working on acute mania
  • 11:27and the treatment of acute mania,
  • 11:30the second project is around.
  • 11:33Behavioral symptoms of dementia and
  • 11:35being able to develop a consistent
  • 11:37set of care.
  • 11:38And So what we found is that in
  • 11:41clinical practice the starting
  • 11:43dose of lithium could be variable
  • 11:45across our providers.
  • 11:47There might be variations in terms of
  • 11:49who gets access to ECT and so creating
  • 11:53guidelines for how we identify on
  • 11:55the process for the treatment of
  • 11:57mania was one of the things that
  • 12:00the group wanted to focus on and so.
  • 12:04Mature of that is Doctor Hummel ARD,
  • 12:06and for the behavioral symptoms of
  • 12:08dementia it's doctor Arti grouped up.
  • 12:10And So what we do,
  • 12:12after we've decided on these topics
  • 12:14in the Care Signature
  • 12:16Council, is to create these clinical
  • 12:18consensus groups to be able to
  • 12:20really work through the nitty gritty
  • 12:22of the clinical care pathways.
  • 12:24And so I'll talk a little
  • 12:26bit more about that.
  • 12:28So within the clinical consensus groups,
  • 12:30the idea is that we bring together a
  • 12:33multitude of clinical experts and also.
  • 12:35Individuals with different backgrounds,
  • 12:37including residents,
  • 12:38as well as fits that are working
  • 12:40in interventional psychiatry
  • 12:42pharmacists to come together with,
  • 12:44you know, come away with consensus.
  • 12:46So the idea is that there might be
  • 12:50variations and how we choose the
  • 12:52starting dose of lithium and group
  • 12:55can help us potentially be able to
  • 12:58pull that together and identify
  • 13:00what's the best starting dose and
  • 13:02then the pathway for treatment.
  • 13:05And similarly with the behavioral
  • 13:07symptoms of dementia.
  • 13:08One of the things that we noticed
  • 13:11was there was variation in how
  • 13:14we treat agitation,
  • 13:15and so the group has identified well.
  • 13:18What's the best treatment for agitation?
  • 13:20The starting dose for?
  • 13:23In the treatment selection
  • 13:25for an agitated patient,
  • 13:26so the group is working toward being
  • 13:29able to identify those treatments
  • 13:30so that if you were in Bridgeport
  • 13:33or you're in your New Haven that
  • 13:35we're recommending the same starting
  • 13:37medication based on evidence that we
  • 13:39gather from the field and from prior studies,
  • 13:42and so the way that we are able
  • 13:44to do this is that with these
  • 13:47clinical consensus groups,
  • 13:49what we do is we have what's called
  • 13:51a pathway kickoff and the idea is.
  • 13:54To identify well what are we working on?
  • 13:57Who are the patients that we
  • 13:59want to work to help an address
  • 14:02a particular treatment topic?
  • 14:04Ensure that there is
  • 14:05stakeholder representation.
  • 14:06We then go through the
  • 14:08literature an review well.
  • 14:10What are we trying to treat?
  • 14:12What's recommended based on
  • 14:13literature that we review,
  • 14:15we determine pathways and
  • 14:17goals for the metrics.
  • 14:18Following that,
  • 14:19we start to drop draft different
  • 14:21kinds of you know what the
  • 14:24treatment algorithm can look like.
  • 14:26I'm mapping the discrete steps
  • 14:28and identifying areas of gas and
  • 14:30also process gaps that can occur
  • 14:33and then what we do afterwards is
  • 14:35if we do identify some consensus
  • 14:38gaps or variations in care that
  • 14:40are common in clinical practice,
  • 14:42we're able to build consensus
  • 14:44statements and work through,
  • 14:46you know,
  • 14:46the the group to be able to drive
  • 14:49toward agreement and the idea is to
  • 14:52be able to provide short statements
  • 14:54that are action oriented with.
  • 14:57Recommendations the rationale
  • 14:59for why we're recommending those
  • 15:01treatments and then also provide
  • 15:04references toward the literature
  • 15:06that supports those recommendations?
  • 15:08One idea is that once we have
  • 15:10all of the consensus statements
  • 15:12as well as the steps,
  • 15:14what we can do is translate this
  • 15:16into a clinical care pathway,
  • 15:18and the idea is that this is going
  • 15:20to be embedded in the electronic
  • 15:22medical record so that an individual
  • 15:24that wants to look through.
  • 15:26How do we treat acute mania or
  • 15:28acute agitation and behavioral
  • 15:29symptoms of dementia?
  • 15:30They can go look it up and be able to
  • 15:33get those recommendations right there
  • 15:35when they are on at the point of.
  • 15:39Of clinical practice and what's
  • 15:41really nice is that there is
  • 15:43many iterative steps to this,
  • 15:44and this really focuses on the quality
  • 15:47improvement opportunities where we get
  • 15:49a group of people who are experts.
  • 15:51And then we also then have many people
  • 15:53look at the pathway before it goes
  • 15:56live and we have representation from
  • 15:58different stakeholders around the utility.
  • 16:00And then we're able to publish this
  • 16:03and use this in clinical practice.
  • 16:05So what I'll do is share a demo
  • 16:08of what this might look like.
  • 16:10An on in real life this is going
  • 16:12to be in the test environment,
  • 16:14so there's no patient data,
  • 16:16but I'm going to share a video
  • 16:18of how how this might work out.
  • 16:20Once we launched us in in the
  • 16:23electronic medical records.
  • 16:28Her signature pathways are embedded directly
  • 16:30in the epic electronic medical record.
  • 16:33When fully built and integrated into epic
  • 16:36of provider can directly click on the
  • 16:39Pathways tab and access relevant pathways.
  • 16:42Today, the inpatient psychiatry
  • 16:44pathway for acute mania will be
  • 16:46demonstrated in the testing environment.
  • 16:49A similar look and feel will be
  • 16:52used once the pathway is fully
  • 16:55built and available in epic.
  • 16:58Hyperlinks will take you to
  • 17:00additional resources if needed.
  • 17:02In addition, you're able to see important
  • 17:06information relevant to the pathway,
  • 17:09including consensus statements as well
  • 17:12as patient information in the helpful
  • 17:15resources tab on the left order.
  • 17:18Sets order panels orders can be
  • 17:21launched directly from the pathway.
  • 17:25The orders can be selected individually or
  • 17:28grouped together by clicking this icon.
  • 17:31All orders in the pathway or pre
  • 17:34populated with options and indications
  • 17:37appropriate for the condition.
  • 17:39For example,
  • 17:40instead of having to populate distinct
  • 17:44medication information for ordering
  • 17:46with young medication fields will
  • 17:48be pre populated with the correct
  • 17:51starting dose frequency and indication
  • 17:53for a patient with acute mania.
  • 17:56Thus,
  • 17:57saving the clinician time and clicks
  • 17:59the first decision point in this
  • 18:02pathway is assessing whether or not
  • 18:05a patient is acutely agitated and
  • 18:07in need for immediate treatment.
  • 18:10The next decision point is assessing
  • 18:12whether or not the patient is pregnant
  • 18:16as the treatment recommendations
  • 18:18for those who are pregnant do.
  • 18:20The are different than those who
  • 18:23are not due to the risk for fetal
  • 18:26malformations with some mood stabilizers
  • 18:29and other key decision point in
  • 18:32this pathway include the initial
  • 18:34starting treatment for acute mania.
  • 18:36The consensus group determines
  • 18:38specific criteria as well as
  • 18:40medication recommendations.
  • 18:42For treatment of both the acute
  • 18:44mania as well As for insomnia.
  • 18:48In addition,
  • 18:49the pathway also includes information
  • 18:52about discontinuing ineffective
  • 18:55psychotropics as well as links that
  • 18:57allow you to look at treatment scales
  • 19:00such as the Young Mania Rating scale.
  • 19:04To assess for patient clinical improvement.
  • 19:07In addition,
  • 19:09the pathway allows you to identify whether
  • 19:12or not easy T and the interventional
  • 19:15psychiatry service should be consulted,
  • 19:19as well as criteria for discharge
  • 19:22and considerations with regard
  • 19:25to medication transitions.
  • 19:30So I just wanted to do a brief demo so
  • 19:33that you can see what we're talking about
  • 19:36with regard to how this can all pull
  • 19:39together with the clinical care pathways.
  • 19:41So with that I know we're going
  • 19:43to have some other speakers,
  • 19:45but I look forward to being able to talk
  • 19:48more about the pathways and if you have
  • 19:50any questions related to this project,
  • 19:53we have many, many projects that we've
  • 19:55taken on and quality improvement,
  • 19:57but it highlights one network.
  • 19:59Really excited about implants.
  • 20:00Dear for many other conditions as well,
  • 20:03we just started with two and
  • 20:04will look forward to hearing
  • 20:06your feedback and thoughts.
  • 20:08So what I'll do is I'll pass it
  • 20:10off to my colleague Doctor Hermes.
  • 20:15Great hey thanks Doctor Lee,
  • 20:17let me share my screen here.
  • 20:21So good morning everyone.
  • 20:25Great, so I'm talking today to you as
  • 20:27the chair of the V8 Connecticut mental
  • 20:30health Process Improvement Committee.
  • 20:32And So what I'd like to do is take a
  • 20:35few minutes first to describe kind
  • 20:37of the breath of quality improvement
  • 20:39that's going on at Villa Connecticut
  • 20:42and then dive into a specific project
  • 20:45we have that will hopefully be able to
  • 20:48to bring from that some generalizable
  • 20:50principles about quality improvement.
  • 20:52Great so it started out.
  • 20:54Basically there is a heck of a lot
  • 20:56of quality improvement activity
  • 20:57going on at BA Connecticut.
  • 21:00I sent out an email earlier in the
  • 21:02month asking providers to to get
  • 21:04to be kind of with their projects
  • 21:06and what's going on and as of today
  • 21:09we're up to 31 projects so that's
  • 21:11a lot and it's really represents a
  • 21:13broad range anywhere from sort of
  • 21:16impression projects to projects.
  • 21:17Working on changing the culture of
  • 21:19EA and this isn't this, isn't it?
  • 21:22By any means at it, you know,
  • 21:25for instance,
  • 21:25we have three separate committees at
  • 21:27at at the Connecticut looking to to
  • 21:29work on racial disparity issues and
  • 21:32implementing anti racist practices.
  • 21:34So there's a lot of stuff going on,
  • 21:36but one of the primary points I want
  • 21:39to make is most of these projects
  • 21:41are what I think of as bottom up
  • 21:44quality improvement in what I mean
  • 21:47by that is a provider at Villa
  • 21:49Connecticut is identified a problem
  • 21:51in care and is working to investigate
  • 21:53that further or develop solutions
  • 21:55or evaluating those solutions.
  • 21:57And this can be contrasted to something I
  • 21:59think of as top down quality improvement.
  • 22:02And also I'll discuss sort of the
  • 22:05differences here as we go on.
  • 22:07Great,
  • 22:08so that's bottom up quality improvement.
  • 22:11But what we're talking about now is this.
  • 22:14This idea of top down and what is
  • 22:16that in the first thing we need to
  • 22:18know is that VA is a nationwide
  • 22:21integrated healthcare system.
  • 22:23So VA has a central office in
  • 22:25Washington and what they do produce
  • 22:27policy and make budget decisions.
  • 22:29But really,
  • 22:29the responsibility for care and
  • 22:31the oversight of care is at the
  • 22:33regional and facility level.
  • 22:34Much of the policy driven out of
  • 22:37central office is trying to ensure
  • 22:39the quality of care at all the 100.
  • 22:4240 different facilities.
  • 22:43One of the primary ways they do
  • 22:46that is that they push out a host
  • 22:48of metrics that are designed to
  • 22:50track that quality in these metrics
  • 22:53are essentially designed.
  • 22:54They use data from our electronic
  • 22:56medical record that is centrally
  • 22:58processed and then scores on
  • 23:00these metrics are pushed out to
  • 23:02the 140 different VA facilities.
  • 23:06Great. So one of these quality
  • 23:09met quality metrics look like,
  • 23:11so you may have heard the term hetas and he
  • 23:14just stands for healthcare effectiveness,
  • 23:17data and information set.
  • 23:18And these are national metrics that
  • 23:21can be used to compare the quality.
  • 23:24Across different health
  • 23:25care facilities in the US.
  • 23:27Not just VA, but VA has added
  • 23:30extensively to these metrics and
  • 23:32calls them strategic analytics for
  • 23:34improvement and learning or sale.
  • 23:36And so one of the main takeaways of
  • 23:39this talk should be if you're into
  • 23:41really bad acronyms that you need to
  • 23:44go into the quality improvement check
  • 23:47because that's it's full of them.
  • 23:49But sale metrics are the primary
  • 23:52way that be a central office
  • 23:54monitors the quality of care.
  • 23:56And theoretically,
  • 23:57these metrics represent central office policy
  • 24:00priorities for VA over here on the left.
  • 24:02This is not an eye chart,
  • 24:05it's just, it's just a list
  • 24:07of the mental health quality,
  • 24:09metrics within sale,
  • 24:10and there's about 30 of them.
  • 24:14Great.
  • 24:14But wait, there's more.
  • 24:16There's way more Sovyet pushes out
  • 24:18way more metrics, and there are
  • 24:20hundreds of metrics you can see.
  • 24:21Just some of them here.
  • 24:23And this brings me to another point,
  • 24:25I want to make, which is there is a major
  • 24:28difference between quality monitoring.
  • 24:30Yeah,
  • 24:30with using these metrics and
  • 24:32trying to improve care with these
  • 24:34metrics and so you need a lot of
  • 24:36data streams to monitor care,
  • 24:38but to improve care,
  • 24:40you really usually just focus
  • 24:42on sort of a small part or a
  • 24:45couple of metrics to improve.
  • 24:47In individual aspect of care.
  • 24:50Great, so how does VA Connecticut do on sale?
  • 24:54This is called a target plotter.
  • 24:56Radar plots in so within the sale metrics
  • 24:59that are within the mental health sale
  • 25:02metrics that there are three domains.
  • 25:04I've got them highlighted in
  • 25:06red here and from a cop quality
  • 25:08monitoring standpoint via Connecticut
  • 25:10does very well in these metrics,
  • 25:13especially our access metrics.
  • 25:15And to some extent our
  • 25:16continuity of care measures.
  • 25:18But of course there's
  • 25:20always room for improvement.
  • 25:22And for instance,
  • 25:23within this a continuity of care
  • 25:25domain over here on the left there
  • 25:27are 16 separate metrics within that
  • 25:30and it in looking at these metrics
  • 25:32we have identified that two which
  • 25:34evaluate antidepressant treatment
  • 25:35longevity for patients with depression.
  • 25:37The two of those metrics that do
  • 25:39that are really kind of dragging down
  • 25:42our continuity of care and sort of
  • 25:44adding to our middling scores on that,
  • 25:47and I want to talk you through what
  • 25:50we've done to try to rectify that.
  • 25:53Great,
  • 25:53so this metrics I'm showing you
  • 25:56here measures where their patients
  • 25:58diagnosed with depression who are
  • 26:00started on anti suppress antidepressant
  • 26:02have that continued out to six
  • 26:04months and so the background for
  • 26:06this metric is based on a wealth
  • 26:09of research research showing that
  • 26:11antidepressant treatment for people
  • 26:13depression should be continued for
  • 26:15most patients out to six months
  • 26:18in order to prevent relapse.
  • 26:20So this figure is showing that
  • 26:22on average over the
  • 26:24last five years. Three years,
  • 26:26about 53% of via Connecticut patients
  • 26:28with depression have had their anti
  • 26:30depressant continued out to six months,
  • 26:32whereas the average for for VA is 63%.
  • 26:35So on average we're running about
  • 26:38a 10% deficit and so this brings
  • 26:40me to one of the main points here,
  • 26:43which is I'm pretty sure without
  • 26:45this data from central office that
  • 26:48compares us to other VA facilities,
  • 26:50we really wouldn't be able to identify
  • 26:52this issue as an individual system.
  • 26:55And certainly it would be very
  • 26:57difficult for an individual provider
  • 26:59to identify this trend if they didn't
  • 27:01have this type of comparative data,
  • 27:03and so that's the first point.
  • 27:05I want to make is that there's a
  • 27:08difference between sort of top down
  • 27:10and bottom up quality improvement.
  • 27:12Top down quality improvement really
  • 27:14relies on quality monitoring and that
  • 27:16quality monitoring allows us to identify
  • 27:18gaps we would not otherwise see,
  • 27:20and so a second point I want to make
  • 27:23here is that the second point about the.
  • 27:26Top down quality improvement is the
  • 27:28issue of buying and so getting buy
  • 27:31in for an issue that is shown to you.
  • 27:33Kind of from the outside or is
  • 27:35not intrinsically developed.
  • 27:36It's more difficult to get that buy in OK
  • 27:38and so that that's kind of a main issue.
  • 27:41I want to.
  • 27:43I want to point out. Good.
  • 27:46So, so we get the data.
  • 27:48The data shows us a problem we
  • 27:50get by and we decide to focus on
  • 27:53it and it via Connecticut.
  • 27:54What we did is formed a group to
  • 27:56look at this problem specifically,
  • 27:58we did three major things we dug into charts.
  • 28:00We talked to providers and then
  • 28:02we discussed this issue with VA
  • 28:04Central office experts and from that
  • 28:06we developed kind of this list of
  • 28:08root causes and I've got the three
  • 28:10primary root causes up here and
  • 28:11I'll just run through them here.
  • 28:13So first there's an extended
  • 28:15interval between when medicated
  • 28:16anti depressants were started.
  • 28:17And then when we are able to
  • 28:19follow up with patients on that,
  • 28:22second thing is that we have frequently
  • 28:24care transition care transitions and
  • 28:26then a lot of people in those transitions
  • 28:29end up sort of falling through.
  • 28:31The cracks are dropping out of care.
  • 28:33Thirdly,
  • 28:34this problem seems to localize to
  • 28:36really high workload and relatively
  • 28:38low resource treatment locations
  • 28:39within V8 Connecticut.
  • 28:41OK,
  • 28:41so now now for another issue related
  • 28:43to a top down quality improvement
  • 28:45we get heck of a lot of data.
  • 28:47We have access to world experts,
  • 28:49but this still the data is not
  • 28:51the the answer.
  • 28:52It's it's digging into the data
  • 28:54and understanding how the data
  • 28:55applies to your specific context,
  • 28:57which is really important.
  • 28:58Second thing I want to say is is
  • 29:01in the end a root cause is really
  • 29:03just a best guess so we can sort
  • 29:05of look at all this data and
  • 29:07come up with these root causes,
  • 29:09but they're not smoking guns
  • 29:10so we don't have any
  • 29:12smoking gun. Proof that these three
  • 29:14issues are really the whole story,
  • 29:15and at some point we have to take it on
  • 29:18faith and go with with with with what
  • 29:20we with what our gut says is that the
  • 29:23three main issues are. Good alright?
  • 29:26So so after identifying root causes we
  • 29:28said about coming up with solutions.
  • 29:30We identified several different potential
  • 29:32solutions and I'd map them out here
  • 29:35on the X axis we have, you know,
  • 29:37sort of the continuum of effectiveness,
  • 29:39and then on the Y act access we have
  • 29:41sort of a difficulty of implementing
  • 29:44and as you can see,
  • 29:45there's no free lunch and in this
  • 29:47case there certainly isn't a free
  • 29:49lunch in that the easy solutions
  • 29:51probably aren't all that effective,
  • 29:53and the effective solutions are
  • 29:55probably hard to do or expensive.
  • 29:57And this brings me to my last point,
  • 29:59which is. Economics of solution making.
  • 30:02Even though antidepressant treatment
  • 30:03longevity is really important,
  • 30:05we want all our patients who are
  • 30:07diagnosed with depression on on
  • 30:09adequate dose in for a length of time.
  • 30:12We can't pour all our resources into
  • 30:14solving this problem and so we need
  • 30:17leaders that could make decisions
  • 30:19and make priorities as to where
  • 30:21we're going to focus our efforts.
  • 30:23And So what we did as a group as we
  • 30:27chose three of these solutions and so.
  • 30:30There there are the three.
  • 30:32OK,
  • 30:32so we started with some general
  • 30:34provider education in the short term,
  • 30:36and then we're going to add some academic
  • 30:38detailing visits by Angie Boggs,
  • 30:40who is our clinical pharmacist
  • 30:41in for a long term solution.
  • 30:43We're going to work to get a care
  • 30:45manager in place in these high workload
  • 30:47areas to do some follow up Contacts.
  • 30:50After antidepressants are start and so
  • 30:52we just kind of started this process.
  • 30:54So maybe in the future I can
  • 30:56come back and tell you how we do.
  • 30:59Good, so in conclusion,
  • 31:01so conclusions are via Connecticut is
  • 31:03a hotbed of Qi, primarily bottom up,
  • 31:05which means it's driven by a bunch
  • 31:07of caring providers who care about
  • 31:09where they work and want to change the
  • 31:11system in which in which they work.
  • 31:13I told you about one specific project
  • 31:16within that that is kind of more
  • 31:18top down and their specific some
  • 31:20specific issues with top down Qi.
  • 31:22First is that by in it may be more
  • 31:24difficult to get by in for top down Qi
  • 31:27than it is for intrinsically developed.
  • 31:30Identify problems next.
  • 31:31We have a lot of data.
  • 31:33We have a lot of resources but
  • 31:35it still takes work to apply that
  • 31:37to your specific problem and then
  • 31:40when you look into your problem and
  • 31:42you do root cause analysis,
  • 31:44there's nothing magical about that.
  • 31:46And in the end it might be just your
  • 31:49best guess as as to what's going on.
  • 31:51And finally,
  • 31:52there's usually no silver bullet solution.
  • 31:54It's more like a shotgun approach
  • 31:56to solution making and you have
  • 31:59to make decisions about.
  • 32:00Where and how to allocate your
  • 32:03resources, so I appreciate it.
  • 32:06I'm over over to utilize.
  • 32:27I think doctor Hermes emu you
  • 32:29handed over to Doctor Var Server.
  • 32:31I'm up next, so I might I might
  • 32:33go unless you want to go to Paris.
  • 32:36Sorry bout that. No
  • 32:38no. It's all. It's all good.
  • 32:39It's all good. Just
  • 32:41checking fired up John. Don't
  • 32:43go and government going alright
  • 32:45here we go really nice to be here.
  • 32:48Thanks everyone thanks
  • 32:49Doctor Sonia conductor.
  • 32:50Leave putting this together for.
  • 32:51I'm going to talk a little bit
  • 32:53about the unique UI challenges and
  • 32:55opportunities we have at CMH C as
  • 32:57a public academic partnership for
  • 32:59Community Mental Health Center.
  • 33:01And I'm going to go through the
  • 33:03example this step and and outcomes
  • 33:05oriented learning health system model,
  • 33:07which we've been working on
  • 33:08for a number of years now.
  • 33:10For those that don't know,
  • 33:12steps are first episode psychosis,
  • 33:14clinical research service founded at CMAC.
  • 33:16In 2006,
  • 33:17by the notary who's mentored a lot of
  • 33:19the work that you're gonna see here today,
  • 33:22and there's our funders.
  • 33:25OK, so I'm going to start with
  • 33:28an excuse qis MHC can be really
  • 33:30challenging and it's probably
  • 33:32going to seem less polished than
  • 33:35what you've seen so far today.
  • 33:37And here's an example,
  • 33:39so I want to take you through
  • 33:42what I might have been doing this
  • 33:45morning at CMAC if I wasn't here.
  • 33:48Speaking with you all today.
  • 33:50So here's everyday clinical care at CMH C.
  • 33:53We have wits REHR widths,
  • 33:55communicates with their enterprise.
  • 33:57Data Warehouse generating reports
  • 33:59for Demas who we work for.
  • 34:01But then there's also a legacy database
  • 34:03which generate sports reports for CMS
  • 34:05and then and then the Joint Commission.
  • 34:08Then we have a nice you know
  • 34:10Microsoft Suite of resource is to
  • 34:12keep everything ticking along.
  • 34:14Sounds pretty reasonable.
  • 34:15However,
  • 34:16which is partially implemented by by Dima,
  • 34:19so we still do have a parallel
  • 34:21physical chart,
  • 34:22so we're still interacting with that,
  • 34:24and that obviously needs to
  • 34:26be scanned to the database.
  • 34:28Fine, we can put up with that.
  • 34:30Unfortunately there are some
  • 34:32other legacy databases that are
  • 34:33available for certain services
  • 34:35depending on what you're looking at.
  • 34:36Some of our services go to deduct instead.
  • 34:39OK,
  • 34:39will fall back into the model and
  • 34:42then shout out to Dan Shetler.
  • 34:44Are a QA director.
  • 34:44We want to we want to get some good
  • 34:47visualizations to get some utilization data.
  • 34:50So we want to pull in tapped into Tableau.
  • 34:52But this is what the data flow looks like in.
  • 34:56In order to get some good
  • 34:58visualizations going.
  • 34:59But then Tableau helps
  • 35:00you with visualizations.
  • 35:01That doesn't help you with data capture,
  • 35:04so Luckily enough,
  • 35:05I work in a research clinical research
  • 35:07clinic that has red cap implimented.
  • 35:09So we've got some good data
  • 35:11capture resource is there and
  • 35:13it can generate reports for the
  • 35:15funders so that that went OK.
  • 35:17But way to colleagues about
  • 35:19to send you an email.
  • 35:21Unfortunately they send that email to your
  • 35:23Yale outlook instead of your demas outlook,
  • 35:26which is a completely separate login.
  • 35:28So you have to toggle across.
  • 35:30Uh,
  • 35:31give
  • 35:31me Doctor Cahill. Sorry to interrupt,
  • 35:33can you put this in Presenter View?
  • 35:36Yeah I can. I can.
  • 35:40Perfect thank you.
  • 35:42Thanks, Trisha. So we have to.
  • 35:44We have to toggle across but OK,
  • 35:46forget about it.
  • 35:47Let's go on a video conference instead.
  • 35:50So we jump on Yell Zoom,
  • 35:52but during the course of our conversations
  • 35:55we start talking bout a CMAC patients.
  • 35:57So policy Demas from Dima says
  • 35:59we need to jump onto DEMAS teams
  • 36:01instead which currently freezes.
  • 36:03Then we need to download a blank
  • 36:06admission template for the client
  • 36:07that's on the DEMAS Intranet.
  • 36:09Unfortunately we don't have remote desktop.
  • 36:12Access for the Internet,
  • 36:13but Luckily there's a copy
  • 36:15on your box I'm moving.
  • 36:17I'm moving faster here if we want
  • 36:19to communicate Phi on that template
  • 36:22we have to use Zix secure email.
  • 36:24I want to sign a nursing
  • 36:26order for this client,
  • 36:28so I see whether there with Laura
  • 36:30Home Care that has an online portal
  • 36:33for signing the Care orders.
  • 36:35Unfortunately,
  • 36:35this client is one of is with one of the
  • 36:3916 other agencies that we work with,
  • 36:41so we have to use fax for that next job.
  • 36:45I need to look at some lab work so we
  • 36:48look at Hartford Healthcare for lab work
  • 36:51either on the portal or via via fax.
  • 36:54Unfortunately,
  • 36:54there's no lab works there.
  • 36:56It seems that the clients opted to
  • 36:58use quest in the community instead,
  • 37:00so we log on to Quantum instead
  • 37:02to look at that next job,
  • 37:04put in medication refill.
  • 37:05So we put that into RX NT.
  • 37:08But we need to print off the
  • 37:10orders into the chart.
  • 37:11It looks like we're prescribing clause Appin,
  • 37:13but also Ativan, so I also log into
  • 37:17the closet in REM system CTP&P.
  • 37:19Oh no, the patients in the ER,
  • 37:22but Luckily we have read only
  • 37:24access to young Haven Epic,
  • 37:26so we can log in there.
  • 37:28So that's a fair summary I
  • 37:30think and hope to send you.
  • 37:32Correct me if I'm wrong of our currency.
  • 37:35MHC information ecology.
  • 37:38So I hope that's all clear to everyone.
  • 37:43So as you can see,
  • 37:44it's hard to do conventional Qi at CMAC.
  • 37:47Nevertheless, we have a lot of strength here,
  • 37:49and I want to highlight here,
  • 37:51and I'm not going to go through
  • 37:53each of these for brevity.
  • 37:55There's a few highlights here that's
  • 37:57stood out to me over the years,
  • 37:59either because I've had the pleasure of
  • 38:01being involved with some of these efforts,
  • 38:03working with some of these individuals,
  • 38:05or they've really spoken to really salient
  • 38:07narratives that that's around them.
  • 38:08I mean, you have you have quite
  • 38:11structured Qi processes here.
  • 38:12For for the Joint Commission,
  • 38:13but you also have things like.
  • 38:16We have a cross country ski
  • 38:18team for our snow preparedness,
  • 38:20forgetting forgetting physicians on site.
  • 38:23I also want to shout out to Will Rutland,
  • 38:27so as a PG three he notice to a
  • 38:29real gap in in bridging meds between
  • 38:32the only Haven hospital system in
  • 38:34our CMAC pharmacy and as you know,
  • 38:37as a resident can,
  • 38:38he bridged the two systems of
  • 38:40care and put in place an epic best
  • 38:43practices advisory for CMAC Pharmacy,
  • 38:45which which has been has been
  • 38:47triggered 31 times since its inception,
  • 38:49but I'll let you peruse the
  • 38:52other examples here.
  • 38:54But as you can see,
  • 38:55it takes a village and I could certainly
  • 38:57be critiqued here that some of these
  • 38:59examples stressed stretched the
  • 39:00definition of Qi initiatives a bit.
  • 39:02But what they do is capture the
  • 39:04spirit of CMH.
  • 39:05See, we all mark in,
  • 39:06and we strive for excellence in
  • 39:09our in our mission.
  • 39:11So we've established informatics
  • 39:12is a challenge for us,
  • 39:13but we are mission driven and our strength,
  • 39:16so we have a community rich and dedicated,
  • 39:18caring, smart,
  • 39:19creative and motivated individuals
  • 39:20and we have an access to an array
  • 39:23of resources and expertise as
  • 39:24well as community partners,
  • 39:25some of whom are also presenting here
  • 39:28today who are willing to help us out.
  • 39:32So traditional Qi is hard to do.
  • 39:34It's MHC.
  • 39:35We've seen some encouraging narratives today,
  • 39:37but how do we know,
  • 39:39objectively that we are doing a good job?
  • 39:43So what other models of Qi are available
  • 39:46that could help us so one model could
  • 39:49be seeding or joining and outcomes oriented,
  • 39:52learning health system,
  • 39:53and I've thrown up a couple
  • 39:55of definitions of of that.
  • 39:57Their outcomes oriented learning
  • 39:58health system would focus on core.
  • 40:00Or outcomes.
  • 40:02Not processes of care,
  • 40:04so it allows.
  • 40:06The reality of of a community mental
  • 40:09Health Center to do what it does best
  • 40:12was keeping an eye on what we agree.
  • 40:16We need to be doing.
  • 40:17Ultimately for the population
  • 40:19with serving the core outcome,
  • 40:21shipset should be derived from and
  • 40:23continuously reviewed from multi stake
  • 40:25in multi stakeholder input to ensure
  • 40:27it remains meaningful for the population.
  • 40:29Were trying to serve and the
  • 40:32Institute of Medicine guides us here.
  • 40:34They they talk about an
  • 40:36LHS thriving when science.
  • 40:37Infomatics incentives and culture
  • 40:39aligned for continuous improvement.
  • 40:40And so I just wanted to expand on that a
  • 40:44little bit. So this is how we've been
  • 40:47thinking about it at step as sort of
  • 40:49four pillars of a model learning health
  • 40:52system for continuous quality improvement.
  • 40:54So science rigorous methodology.
  • 40:55Essentially you want to
  • 40:57get your measures rights,
  • 40:58but you want to capture the value of
  • 41:00qualitative as well as quantitative data.
  • 41:03You want to Orient around a core dynamic
  • 41:05set of multi stakeholder derived outcomes.
  • 41:07As I've mentioned,
  • 41:08I've put the next one in brackets
  • 41:10because this is something that
  • 41:12we're sort of adding to this
  • 41:14definition as a future direction,
  • 41:16but integration.
  • 41:17To support multi directional
  • 41:19knowledge generation and translation,
  • 41:21can we plug learning health systems
  • 41:23into basic science research
  • 41:25and therapeutics development?
  • 41:27Next informatics we really want to
  • 41:29minimize the burden to operators.
  • 41:31As you can see from our sort
  • 41:34of data data flow ecology,
  • 41:36we want to try to minimize as much as
  • 41:38possible parallel entry into systems and
  • 41:41try to create opportunities for passive
  • 41:43and opportunistic data collection.
  • 41:45We want to securely and ethically support
  • 41:48interoperability and integration of
  • 41:49applications and multiple databases,
  • 41:51and we want to be agile,
  • 41:53user centered and collaborative
  • 41:55in our design and development
  • 41:57of mathematics systems.
  • 41:58And one idea would be embedding embedding
  • 42:02dashboards into everyday clinical workflow.
  • 42:04In terms of building incentives
  • 42:06and Doctor Hermes spoke a little
  • 42:09bit to this today at the VA,
  • 42:11we want to protest the buy
  • 42:13in of our operators,
  • 42:14not just the managers.
  • 42:15So we want to empower the user to reflect,
  • 42:19learn,
  • 42:19and improve while we're working
  • 42:21around these these measures,
  • 42:22we want to offer support and the
  • 42:24tools to solve those problems,
  • 42:26and we want to value autonomy and
  • 42:29individualism wherever possible.
  • 42:30Whilst we are benchmark working
  • 42:32outcomes and trying to to ensure.
  • 42:35Ensure consistent quality across our
  • 42:37systems of care and Lastly culture.
  • 42:39I always enjoy being reminded of this.
  • 42:42Quote Culture eats strategy for breakfast.
  • 42:45You know,
  • 42:45we wanted to develop a culture of inclusion,
  • 42:49responsiveness,
  • 42:49respect and humility around Qi.
  • 42:51We want to form a nonpunitive supportive
  • 42:55community for continuous learning of all.
  • 42:57And we want to engender hope for
  • 43:00improvement and elevates successes.
  • 43:02And that's really at the core
  • 43:04of a learning health system.
  • 43:06It really wants to foster these
  • 43:08water cooler conversations that
  • 43:10generate creativity and then
  • 43:12support rapid cycles of innovation.
  • 43:16So I want to elevate.
  • 43:19That the work of the nursery and
  • 43:21Laura Levine Sykes at step they've
  • 43:24recently launched the Connecticut early
  • 43:26Psychosis Learning Health Network,
  • 43:28which is is seeking really to extend
  • 43:31steps impacts statewide through
  • 43:33a local learning health system.
  • 43:35You can see from this slide and
  • 43:38I won't go through all of it.
  • 43:41This is this is Doctor Sykes slide.
  • 43:44There's a real emphasis on supporting
  • 43:47with education and training.
  • 43:49If you want to learn more, there's a.
  • 43:51There's a link at the bottom there,
  • 43:53and I encourage you water to
  • 43:55check out the website,
  • 43:56but this is what's happening locally in
  • 43:58Connecticut from from step extending
  • 44:00into this learning health system model,
  • 44:02and also want to acknowledge the funders
  • 44:04there in the bottom right corner.
  • 44:08So a busy slide. I apologize,
  • 44:10but we realized that we wanted to
  • 44:12in order to develop and outcomes
  • 44:15oriented learning health system model.
  • 44:17In this day and age we need to
  • 44:20support it with a digital media.
  • 44:22So what does that mean?
  • 44:24It means having an application,
  • 44:26a data system,
  • 44:27a database that facilitates the
  • 44:28integration of multiple data sources
  • 44:30and create sort of reflective space.
  • 44:33For diffuse providers,
  • 44:34diffuse clinics to sit and reflect
  • 44:36and come up with these ideas.
  • 44:38So we applied for some funding to build.
  • 44:41A prototype for this and it's it's
  • 44:44gone through a few iterations.
  • 44:46As you can see over over the
  • 44:48years we were asked to present
  • 44:50this prototype by Bob Hines,
  • 44:52Senator Preparatory Meeting for a
  • 44:54series of NIMHRA phase for the for
  • 44:57what's now called the Eppinette
  • 44:59project that's now started rolling.
  • 45:01So that stands for early
  • 45:03Psychosis intervention network,
  • 45:04so that is essentially modeled as a
  • 45:06nationwide learning health system,
  • 45:08specifically for the first episode,
  • 45:10psychosis services and steps.
  • 45:12Part of that.
  • 45:13So the group is currently funded
  • 45:16to implement our learning health
  • 45:18system model in two of the
  • 45:21eight national eppinette hubs.
  • 45:23So I just wanted to last couple of slides.
  • 45:27This is what happen.
  • 45:29It looks like nationally,
  • 45:31there's eight regional hubs.
  • 45:33There's 101 early psychosis clinics
  • 45:35across 17 States and then there's
  • 45:38the eppinette data coordinating
  • 45:40center and their harmonized accord.
  • 45:42Outcomes set which is starting to be
  • 45:45collected across across the network.
  • 45:47So this is one of the hubs that were
  • 45:50involved with the eyes of John Cain
  • 45:52and Double Robinson at Northwell.
  • 45:54It's called yeah Streeter network.
  • 45:56There are 12 clinics,
  • 45:58one of which is step right there
  • 46:01looking out the back of that cluster.
  • 46:04And then the second network
  • 46:06is called AC Eppinette,
  • 46:07so it's six larger academic sites.
  • 46:10The PII is Alumbrera at Indiana,
  • 46:12and we have the pleasure of working
  • 46:15with this network too. So last slide.
  • 46:20What could be the next steps?
  • 46:23So can we possibly extend
  • 46:25this LHS infrastructure?
  • 46:26We restart,
  • 46:27submerge in it and get it right
  • 46:29to create new opportunities for
  • 46:31knowledge generation and translation?
  • 46:33And specifically can we extend
  • 46:35it vertically upwards into really
  • 46:37capturing the knowledge that
  • 46:39exists in our wider community?
  • 46:41Wider stakeholders,
  • 46:42people with lived experience
  • 46:43lay knowledge that there exists.
  • 46:45Can we also extend it vertically
  • 46:47downwards to integrate into the basic
  • 46:50clinical science collaborations by
  • 46:52market development in therapeutics?
  • 46:54And then.
  • 46:54Extending in these other directions
  • 46:57with can we scale up?
  • 46:59Can we scale up through the open
  • 47:01net network and then potentially
  • 47:03could we generalize,
  • 47:05generalize to other severe mental illness?
  • 47:07And that's where I'll end and
  • 47:10thank you and feel free to.
  • 47:13To get in touch and long awaited
  • 47:16Doctor Rosa over to you Sir.
  • 47:19Thank you doctor Cahill.
  • 47:25Alright um. So good morning everybody,
  • 47:28so I'm going to be talking about
  • 47:30the residency curriculum and
  • 47:32the transformation we've made
  • 47:33around the quality improvement
  • 47:35in patient safety curriculum for
  • 47:37residents over the past few years.
  • 47:39Really, the when this started
  • 47:41five or six years ago,
  • 47:42the focus on quality improvement
  • 47:44in patient safety in the curriculum
  • 47:45is mostly reserved for the Pgy
  • 47:47four year sort of after people
  • 47:49had gone through basic clinical
  • 47:51and other kinds of education,
  • 47:52the idea was to help them
  • 47:54optimize the way that they thought
  • 47:56about the clinical practice,
  • 47:57and I think based on some feedback that
  • 47:59we got in some AC GME survey results,
  • 48:02I'm going to share there was a
  • 48:03significant effort and energy
  • 48:05thord revitalizing the curriculum.
  • 48:06I'm going to talk about that
  • 48:08and show some of the work.
  • 48:10Product from that effort.
  • 48:11Over the past few years.
  • 48:17So in 2015 every year,
  • 48:19the AC Jimmy doesn't annual site survey,
  • 48:21both residents and faculty,
  • 48:22and it shows 15 the scores of the residency
  • 48:25in these particular areas were not up to
  • 48:27the standards that we were hoping for.
  • 48:30So every year they ask questions about
  • 48:32whether residents participate in quality
  • 48:33improvement and patient safety activities.
  • 48:35And as you can see here,
  • 48:37the score here was 67% of
  • 48:39residents indicated that they did,
  • 48:40which was below the National Service
  • 48:42or the national average at the time,
  • 48:44another area is around. Resident.
  • 48:47But their practice habits.
  • 48:48Now this is different or distinct from
  • 48:51receiving feedback and supervision.
  • 48:52I think our residency program does
  • 48:54a great job of providing residents
  • 48:56with supervision opportunities,
  • 48:57but this is really looking
  • 48:59at more hard objective data,
  • 49:00sort of quantifiable metrics that
  • 49:02residents could look at and only 1/3
  • 49:04of residents at the time reported that
  • 49:06they were receiving that which was
  • 49:09significantly below the national average.
  • 49:15The residency program director,
  • 49:16along with the GC, convened a
  • 49:18task force to look at the Quality
  • 49:21Improvement education across the.
  • 49:26His work in step at the time he
  • 49:28was one of the associate Program
  • 49:30Director's and he was responsible.
  • 49:33The systems based practices and problem
  • 49:35based learning and improvement elements
  • 49:37of the curriculum that I now oversee,
  • 49:39and so he put together a group that had
  • 49:41broad multisite representation and also
  • 49:43had resident representation as well.
  • 49:55Here in residency with a stepwise progression
  • 49:58it for more senior residents to try.
  • 50:00I'm sure residents were acknowledging
  • 50:02this participation in the survey to give
  • 50:04us credit for the work we were doing.
  • 50:06To increase the routine practice habit,
  • 50:08data feedback through implementing
  • 50:10an EMR driven mechanism for providing
  • 50:12residents data about their work.
  • 50:14So I'll talk a little bit about
  • 50:17some examples of how we did that.
  • 50:19And then to it we can enhance the
  • 50:22Experiential Qi activities for the
  • 50:25residents at the clinical sites.
  • 50:27So this is what the curriculum
  • 50:29looks like now.
  • 50:30So again, as I said before,
  • 50:32is primarily located in the Pgy
  • 50:33four year several years ago.
  • 50:35Now we really do have this stepwise
  • 50:37progression through the residency,
  • 50:38so in residents pgy one year
  • 50:40we just start to talk about
  • 50:41quality improvement as a concept.
  • 50:43We introduce them.
  • 50:44The idea that they work in a system
  • 50:46and that as interns they are one
  • 50:48cog in a large complicated machine
  • 50:50that's coming to lead to health
  • 50:52care outcomes for their patients.
  • 50:54We introduce the idea that
  • 50:55there if there's an error.
  • 50:57Even though we want to attribute
  • 50:58it to individuals,
  • 50:59usually it's a systems error,
  • 51:00not just an individual error,
  • 51:02and get them thinking about those ideas.
  • 51:05In the Pgy two year we start to introduce
  • 51:07them to the basics of quality improvement.
  • 51:10Things like a plan,
  • 51:11do study, act cycle.
  • 51:13That's the PDS acronym.
  • 51:14We give them some tools to use and some
  • 51:17introduction to quality science and also
  • 51:19talk about Barry barriers in quality
  • 51:21improvement and how to avoid them.
  • 51:24In the Pgy three year we start to
  • 51:25help them apply quality improvement
  • 51:27ideas to their clinical work.
  • 51:29How to think about actually
  • 51:30running a Qi project?
  • 51:31How do we measure quality and just this year,
  • 51:34Doctor Lee through her great
  • 51:35leadership was able to actually
  • 51:37secure a grant that allowed our
  • 51:38residents and participate in a
  • 51:40quality improvement simulation lab,
  • 51:41which was a really unique opportunity.
  • 51:43And then in the Pgy,
  • 51:44four year for residents for all residents,
  • 51:46we think about how to apply Qi and
  • 51:48quality science to their clinical
  • 51:49medicine and for those who are really
  • 51:51interested in some specialization,
  • 51:53we do have some Chief of Qi positions both.
  • 51:56The VA in it.
  • 51:57Yellow Haven hospital.
  • 52:01The next big undertaking for us was
  • 52:03thinking about how we were going
  • 52:05to give residents this practice.
  • 52:07Performance feedback.
  • 52:08So for anyone who went through
  • 52:10the residency before with this
  • 52:12transformation that I'm describing
  • 52:13may remember that in the past,
  • 52:15what was expected of residents is that
  • 52:17at the end of their pgy three year
  • 52:20they were going to gather up a random
  • 52:22sampling of their clinical charts.
  • 52:24They were going to identify some
  • 52:26national metric like metabolic monitoring
  • 52:28for patients on anti psychotics.
  • 52:30And they were going to be expected to.
  • 52:32Randomly audit ten of their charts.
  • 52:34See how close they were to that metric and
  • 52:37then in the beginning of their pgy four year,
  • 52:39bring the data back to their
  • 52:41peers and presented the class.
  • 52:43What we often found is that residents
  • 52:45ability to do this was limited.
  • 52:47Sometimes they would switch clinical sites
  • 52:48from the Pgy three to the Pgy four year,
  • 52:50and so they no longer had access
  • 52:52to the charts if they didn't think
  • 52:54to do this proactively,
  • 52:55they got preoccupied and it was
  • 52:56just a really onerous experience for
  • 52:58the resident was a lot of effort.
  • 53:00They had to expend to do this work.
  • 53:02I think we identified in this work group
  • 53:04that you know in the data age we now live in,
  • 53:07that there are ways that we should
  • 53:08be able to do a lot of this work
  • 53:11for the residents and provide them
  • 53:12the data so that they can then.
  • 53:14How do I change my practice
  • 53:17in response to this data so?
  • 53:19We looked at all the clinical sites to see
  • 53:22what was the one centralizing force there.
  • 53:24'cause again the residents are
  • 53:26rotating at all different sites,
  • 53:28doing different rotations and what we
  • 53:30realize is essentially all residents
  • 53:31at some point during their residency
  • 53:33are going to interact with the Yellow
  • 53:36Haven hospital system and usually
  • 53:37it through some on call experience.
  • 53:39So obviously a lot of our residents also
  • 53:42rotate their an inpatient experiences
  • 53:43and so we can use the epic EMR as
  • 53:46a way of designing a mechanism for
  • 53:49providing them quantifiable objective.
  • 53:50Eat up about something and the
  • 53:52place we decided to start was around
  • 53:54their prescribing practices.
  • 53:54We thought again that was something really
  • 53:57centralized to what the work that they do.
  • 53:59Recognizing that a pgy one is going
  • 54:00to have a lot less autonomy than a pgy
  • 54:03two or a pgy three or a pgy 4 about
  • 54:06the prescribing that they're doing.
  • 54:07But still,
  • 54:08it's a reflection of the practice and
  • 54:11the work they're doing in the residency.
  • 54:14So I'm going to show you here some examples.
  • 54:16So this was our first iteration of a
  • 54:19prescriber profile and this is for an
  • 54:21individual resident and essentially
  • 54:23what we do is every resident gets
  • 54:25generated their own individual
  • 54:26prescriber profile that's shared
  • 54:28with them privately so that their
  • 54:30peers don't necessarily see that
  • 54:31what they're doing.
  • 54:32But then we also share with
  • 54:34the whole class cumulative
  • 54:36data about the prescribing practices
  • 54:37of all the residents in their peer
  • 54:40group so that they can see and compare
  • 54:42where they stand amongst their peers.
  • 54:45So that as they advance through the
  • 54:46residency, they can try to be more
  • 54:48thoughtful and reflective of their own work,
  • 54:50and if they see that as a pgy two,
  • 54:52they realize they they've
  • 54:53really prescribe clozapine,
  • 54:54much less than their peers,
  • 54:56maybe as a TTY,
  • 54:57three in their outpatient setting.
  • 54:58That's something they want to think about
  • 55:00when the opportunity presents itself.
  • 55:02And what we found is that this prescriber
  • 55:05profile practice has actually been
  • 55:06a Qi project within a Qi project.
  • 55:08And I'll show you as every year
  • 55:10that we've done this,
  • 55:12we've gotten feedback from the residents
  • 55:14about additional medications to
  • 55:15include other factors to think about
  • 55:17in different ways to present the data.
  • 55:19So here I'll show.
  • 55:20This was our second year in which
  • 55:22we not only looked at the the
  • 55:25medications they were given,
  • 55:26but we started to look at their diagnosis
  • 55:28of the patients who received the medications.
  • 55:31So you'll see the colors are different
  • 55:33and at the bottom the legend shows
  • 55:35anxiety disorders,
  • 55:36psychosis, etc.
  • 55:36So they can think about not only
  • 55:38the locations where they were
  • 55:40prescribing the medications,
  • 55:41but for what primary indications.
  • 55:44We then became even more complicated as we
  • 55:46started to add more and more medications,
  • 55:48and so the formatting of this went
  • 55:50from being a vertical to horizontal
  • 55:52as it was hard to capture the
  • 55:54data in any other way.
  • 55:57They then got even more complicated as we
  • 56:00continue to add more factors to think about.
  • 56:03And then a couple of years ago,
  • 56:05residents started suggests that
  • 56:06really we ought to be thinking about
  • 56:08socio demographic factors as well,
  • 56:09and so we added race and ethnicity is
  • 56:12another factor to think about in our
  • 56:14prescribing practices as well as age.
  • 56:15So you'll see here, the different
  • 56:17columns represent different races,
  • 56:18and then the color coding is based
  • 56:20on the age of those for whom
  • 56:22the medications were prescribed.
  • 56:27We also started to add in PRN so
  • 56:29the previous things I showed were
  • 56:30just about standing medication.
  • 56:32So we started to allow residents
  • 56:34to look at the PRN medications
  • 56:36that were prescribing and also
  • 56:37whether they were prescribed in an
  • 56:40oral format versus an IAM format.
  • 56:42So you know from the residence.
  • 56:43As I said, we've gotten a lot of
  • 56:45feedback that this has been very useful,
  • 56:47and it's been helpful,
  • 56:48and it's provide a space for
  • 56:49some discussions of their on
  • 56:51call experiences where a lot of
  • 56:52this work is taking place.
  • 56:54And as I said,
  • 56:54we really tried to modify these every
  • 56:56year based on the feedback we get.
  • 57:00So you can see that as a result of this work,
  • 57:03we have steadily improved,
  • 57:05were not yet on our goal, but we have
  • 57:07improved significantly in some ways.
  • 57:09So as far as participation in Qi
  • 57:11and patient safety activities,
  • 57:12we've gone up from 67% to 77%.
  • 57:14Consistently.
  • 57:14We're still not quite at the national
  • 57:16average, but we're getting closer.
  • 57:18And I think some of the reasons
  • 57:20for that have to do with some of
  • 57:22the challenges that John and others
  • 57:24highlighted about involving resident
  • 57:26just engaging in Qi activities
  • 57:27in our cadre of clinical sites.
  • 57:29But it's been really nice to
  • 57:31see is that providing data about
  • 57:32practice habits where we were so
  • 57:34far below the national average.
  • 57:36We're now actually exceeding the
  • 57:37national average significantly,
  • 57:38so I think these results reflect
  • 57:40that residents really appreciate the
  • 57:42efforts that have gone into this.
  • 57:44This work has also led to some
  • 57:46scholarship which has been really exciting.
  • 57:49So two residents this year Ignacio Sardinian,
  • 57:51Terrell Holloway, amongst many others,
  • 57:53published a paper based on this
  • 57:55data looking at racial ethnic
  • 57:57differences in resident prescribing.
  • 58:00In a couple of years ago,
  • 58:01another outcome of this was a prior resident,
  • 58:04Akhil Gupta developed yet
  • 58:05another quality improvement data
  • 58:07metric that we could utilize,
  • 58:08which was looking at the disposition
  • 58:10outcomes for patients who present to the CIU.
  • 58:13So you'll see here,
  • 58:14the blue represents patients who
  • 58:15are recommended for admission.
  • 58:17The purple patients who are recommended
  • 58:19for observation and the green
  • 58:20patients who are recommended for
  • 58:22discharge and essentially the slight
  • 58:24coloration differences within the blue,
  • 58:26purple,
  • 58:26and green are the differences between
  • 58:28what the resident recommended versus
  • 58:29what ultimately happened to the
  • 58:31patient based on the attending decision.
  • 58:33So again,
  • 58:34we do a similar process where residents
  • 58:35can see their individualized data,
  • 58:37and then they can see where they
  • 58:38stack up compared to their peers.
  • 58:42We also look at this what we call
  • 58:44treat and release data to see how what
  • 58:46percentage of the patients they see that
  • 58:48they choose to discharge are representing
  • 58:50to the cious within seven days. And.
  • 58:56That's been another really interesting
  • 58:58way that we've been able to look at
  • 59:01the the there practice in a real,
  • 59:02objective, objective, quantifiable way.
  • 59:05So I think that is all I have for today,
  • 59:07so I will pass it back to Doctor Cerny Ack.
  • 59:11Thank you, I want to leave enough time
  • 59:14for questions and so now people will
  • 59:16we have a few but people could add so
  • 59:19I'm going to be as quick as possible
  • 59:21and really decrease the comments.
  • 59:23So just hot take on each one at
  • 59:25first was extraordinary in and I
  • 59:27think it speaks to heterogeneity
  • 59:28and excellence in the Department.
  • 59:31You know, you heard from the major
  • 59:32sites and it just really extraordinary
  • 59:34and very creative work being done.
  • 59:37So here we go. In the case with Doctor Lee.
  • 59:41One of the things that really
  • 59:42impressed me in the mania consensus
  • 59:44group was not only was it a team,
  • 59:46but included resident.
  • 59:47And so I think that's an extraordinary
  • 59:50model about an issue that everybody faces,
  • 59:53but also that really the team based
  • 59:56work we always talk about that.
  • 59:58But to see that, really.
  • 01:00:00So much in place,
  • 01:00:03including residents is just extraordinary.
  • 01:00:06And with doctor Hermes.
  • 01:00:09I guess what impressed me the most
  • 01:00:11was taking that top down data and then
  • 01:00:13like trying to figure out the details
  • 01:00:15about how you get to the number you
  • 01:00:17get to and how you can improve that.
  • 01:00:19An having been in the position of that
  • 01:00:22raining down on me on a daily basis,
  • 01:00:24it's just really great to see that and
  • 01:00:26it improves veterans health and so and
  • 01:00:29I think the the by an issue of like
  • 01:00:31why are we doing this is because it's
  • 01:00:33been shown to be an effective thing.
  • 01:00:35And here's how we can improve.
  • 01:00:37That was just a great example.
  • 01:00:38I'm John.
  • 01:00:39I'll be answering calls from Demis
  • 01:00:41later on today about the slides,
  • 01:00:44and so I'll be sure to forward them to you,
  • 01:00:47but I would say first of all
  • 01:00:49it's a CMAC thing.
  • 01:00:50We acknowledge realities of the
  • 01:00:52situation and we work with it,
  • 01:00:54and I think one of the things that
  • 01:00:57came through in your presentation
  • 01:00:58was that you know you work with what
  • 01:01:01you've got an you can do work anywhere,
  • 01:01:04and the excellence of CNBC.
  • 01:01:05And I would say all of Demas
  • 01:01:08in working in a challenging.
  • 01:01:10Technological environment.
  • 01:01:12And then I would say for Doctor
  • 01:01:14Waters presentation two things.
  • 01:01:16One is,
  • 01:01:16I think it's wonderful when you
  • 01:01:18have the infrastructure that
  • 01:01:20and you can plug in questions.
  • 01:01:22So age, race things like this,
  • 01:01:24like the infrastructure exists and
  • 01:01:25so now you can query it in ways that
  • 01:01:28you consider particularly relevant.
  • 01:01:30And suggestions coming from other directions.
  • 01:01:32The other is I would say it's
  • 01:01:34just the weirdest thing,
  • 01:01:35being old enough in the
  • 01:01:37Department just to see.
  • 01:01:38So I had an idea when I
  • 01:01:42was in attending an 87.
  • 01:01:44We're at 91 when I discharge a lot
  • 01:01:46of people and someone come back
  • 01:01:48and someone and I can never figure
  • 01:01:50out like how to predict that.
  • 01:01:52And I think one of the things you know
  • 01:01:54that things are showing with the resident.
  • 01:01:56It's not to show people
  • 01:01:58you know the because you're
  • 01:01:59discharging so many people.
  • 01:02:01So many people are coming back
  • 01:02:02or this is what you're doing bad.
  • 01:02:04It's actually to see someone who or
  • 01:02:06several people who violate that rule
  • 01:02:08that we had was increased discharges.
  • 01:02:10Increased re admissions that you know.
  • 01:02:12Is there someone in that group that's
  • 01:02:14actually got what we would call a good eye?
  • 01:02:17I'm that they can break free
  • 01:02:19of the constraints that I had,
  • 01:02:20that I would always see that you
  • 01:02:22know you increased discharges.
  • 01:02:23Re admissions go up too.
  • 01:02:25So it's not to just tell people what
  • 01:02:27they're doing wrong by any means,
  • 01:02:29and that wasn't the suggestion to the groups,
  • 01:02:31but it is to actually identify best
  • 01:02:33practices and one that deviate in a
  • 01:02:35good way and could actually teach
  • 01:02:37a lot of other people information.
  • 01:02:39And it is so hard to figure out like
  • 01:02:41I don't know how you would unless you
  • 01:02:44got this massive amount data about
  • 01:02:46people doing their evaluations in the ER.
  • 01:02:48And so to all of you,
  • 01:02:51I thank you very much for these
  • 01:02:53presentations.
  • 01:02:54Very thought provoking presentations
  • 01:02:56and let's see what we've got in
  • 01:02:59terms of questions. Um?
  • 01:03:02Trisha, why won't you help me with this?
  • 01:03:05I'm sorry.
  • 01:03:06I mean that's fine, let's do.
  • 01:03:12Amazon scary let me
  • 01:03:14see I think one was data about people
  • 01:03:17receiving metrics for prescribing
  • 01:03:19medications for addiction at the VA.
  • 01:03:23That's from Doctor O'Malley to Eric.
  • 01:03:28Yeah, so great the the.
  • 01:03:31Up short stories we do great at that, so
  • 01:03:33this is that that is that that is a metric.
  • 01:03:36We are sort of on top of. I don't.
  • 01:03:38I don't know what our numbers on,
  • 01:03:40but you know so so one thing I didn't share
  • 01:03:43is that you know VA push will push out these
  • 01:03:46metrics to us and then and then raid us.
  • 01:03:49Give us a Z score based on the the VA
  • 01:03:51average and so whether you're however many
  • 01:03:55standard deviations above or below the mean,
  • 01:03:57and that's how they figure out
  • 01:04:00you know what what,
  • 01:04:01what color you get right,
  • 01:04:03and you don't want to be read so,
  • 01:04:06but weird full in the green on map 4,
  • 01:04:09four OUD&AUD. Oh yeah. The
  • 01:04:13other question, Doctor Sarniak is from
  • 01:04:16Doctor O'Malley and it's for Eric.
  • 01:04:18Does the VA have metrics for
  • 01:04:21prescribing medications for addiction?
  • 01:04:23Just ask that one.
  • 01:04:24Sorry bout that. I'll just
  • 01:04:26explain for the crowd so that we have sort
  • 01:04:29of two main metrics that we work off of.
  • 01:04:32Whether Matt or medication assisted
  • 01:04:34therapies prescribed for OUD or au D so
  • 01:04:37so we have two metrics that we work off.
  • 01:04:39We're doing good on those.
  • 01:04:43Great Na, I guess.
  • 01:04:45A comment from Jennifer's IG
  • 01:04:48and I'm very interested in
  • 01:04:51safety issues with regards.
  • 01:04:53Artie, I'm sorry.
  • 01:04:54I'm old enough.
  • 01:04:54I don't understand the RT.
  • 01:04:57I don't think it's related to
  • 01:04:59know the EMR records right?
  • 01:05:00Yeah, so I know that Doctor Cahill
  • 01:05:03presented kind of all the complexities
  • 01:05:05of the EMR as sort of a joke.
  • 01:05:08Like hey look, what we have to deal with
  • 01:05:11and this is in the background and and look,
  • 01:05:14you know we were able to
  • 01:05:16get some work done anyway.
  • 01:05:18Which is amazing.
  • 01:05:19It is amazing, but my interest is actually
  • 01:05:21approaching that head on and saying no,
  • 01:05:24the EMR in and of itself is a safety problem.
  • 01:05:28And so I've been active in our
  • 01:05:30local epic optimization Committee
  • 01:05:32at the Yale New Haven, you know?
  • 01:05:35Or the Department of Psychiatry,
  • 01:05:37but some of the initiatives have done
  • 01:05:39have affected, sort of all of you.
  • 01:05:42New Haven for example.
  • 01:05:45People get vital signs taken.
  • 01:05:47Sort of anywhere in the hospital
  • 01:05:50that's now universally seen instead
  • 01:05:52of segregated out somewhere so that
  • 01:05:54nobody knows 'cause it's sort of sitting
  • 01:05:57in an electronic box somewhere, and.
  • 01:06:00It also just like there was an
  • 01:06:02error where if if social history
  • 01:06:04wasn't entered in then it said none.
  • 01:06:07So for example it would say number
  • 01:06:09of children none when it was meant
  • 01:06:12to say not entered.
  • 01:06:13So there was actual misinformation
  • 01:06:15across the board because of our EMR.
  • 01:06:17And so I've,
  • 01:06:18you know,
  • 01:06:18worked with the committee that has been
  • 01:06:21really nice enough to listen to me
  • 01:06:23as this part time outpatient psychiatrist.
  • 01:06:25I raised my hand.
  • 01:06:27I point out these things and they
  • 01:06:29work on it and they fix them.
  • 01:06:31An I think it's been really helpful
  • 01:06:33for patient quality and safety,
  • 01:06:35so when you put up things like
  • 01:06:37that diagram of a joke about,
  • 01:06:39you know I have to deal with this EMR
  • 01:06:42where this one talks to that one that
  • 01:06:44one text to this one, this one toxin.
  • 01:06:47It's impossible.
  • 01:06:47I actually take that really seriously.
  • 01:06:49Sorry to have no sense of humor,
  • 01:06:51but I think that that's a real
  • 01:06:54problem in healthcare and I would be
  • 01:06:56interested in finding other people who
  • 01:06:58see that as a safety quality problem.
  • 01:07:00Actually working on fixing that.
  • 01:07:01Or publishing data about it?
  • 01:07:03Or Anne Anne, I'm not sure.
  • 01:07:05Kind of how to go about that.
  • 01:07:07It's just something that I've
  • 01:07:08noticed in my in my clinical care.
  • 01:07:10So that was sort of what my comment was.
  • 01:07:14Well, thanks for the comment.
  • 01:07:15I John, can I give you one minute reply
  • 01:07:18'cause we have a few other questions I
  • 01:07:21want know. Thank you so much for
  • 01:07:23that comment. I mean I think humor
  • 01:07:25is a the psychodynamic members of this
  • 01:07:28group. Will I hope?
  • 01:07:29Support me and saying that humor is
  • 01:07:32a mature defense mechanism and it is
  • 01:07:34not meant to imply that I don't take
  • 01:07:36this seriously and I would love to
  • 01:07:38work with you along along those lines.
  • 01:07:41So thank you for your comment
  • 01:07:43and I look forward to.
  • 01:07:45To working with you. Great,
  • 01:07:47I'll just send out my email address
  • 01:07:50so anybody can contact me if
  • 01:07:52you're interested. Thank you.
  • 01:07:53Both Ann from Doctor Carmen Parker
  • 01:07:56to Doctor Wasser as we collect data
  • 01:07:58that may reveal concerning racial
  • 01:07:59bias and diagnostic and prescribing
  • 01:08:01habits for faculty and residents.
  • 01:08:04Have we yet entered conversations of
  • 01:08:06supporting those with concerning trends?
  • 01:08:09So Tobias, can you give us 2 minutes?
  • 01:08:11Yeah, sure. So I think it's a
  • 01:08:13really great question, Carmen.
  • 01:08:16So it's complicated.
  • 01:08:16I would say by in a lot of different ways,
  • 01:08:19so one we really and I didn't get into this,
  • 01:08:22but we really, really try hard when
  • 01:08:24we present this information to be
  • 01:08:26clear that this is not about judgment.
  • 01:08:28This is not about some people
  • 01:08:30are good and some people are bad,
  • 01:08:32and I'm appreciative that even the language
  • 01:08:34you're using is thoughtful and careful.
  • 01:08:36But I think one thing I want to be
  • 01:08:38very mindful of is that we're not
  • 01:08:40sending the message to a resident
  • 01:08:42that they're doing something bad.
  • 01:08:44The second factor that really
  • 01:08:45complicated is that.
  • 01:08:46A lot of the choices that the residents
  • 01:08:48are making in prescribing these settings
  • 01:08:50are not wholly independent choices,
  • 01:08:52so one it obviously can be
  • 01:08:53influenced by their attending,
  • 01:08:54but two it can also be really heavily
  • 01:08:56influenced by community practices,
  • 01:08:58so a lot of people you know these choices
  • 01:09:00are being things that are being continued.
  • 01:09:02Some of their seeing a CI you,
  • 01:09:04they're just continuing their outpatient
  • 01:09:06meds or an inpatient unit or wherever so.
  • 01:09:09It's it's not.
  • 01:09:10I think I would be careful about
  • 01:09:12interpreting racial bias that we see
  • 01:09:15in the prescribing as necessarily
  • 01:09:17solely reflective of the residents.
  • 01:09:20Choice as as not as more.
  • 01:09:21Being a multi factorial and kind
  • 01:09:23of complicated at the same time.
  • 01:09:25I think we do have to address that.
  • 01:09:27We see really desperate findings
  • 01:09:28for in certain individuals to help
  • 01:09:30them acknowledge that their findings
  • 01:09:31are really different and how do
  • 01:09:33we support them through that.
  • 01:09:34So I think this paper was only recently
  • 01:09:36kind of coming to fruition and I'm
  • 01:09:38still wrestling with it so I know
  • 01:09:40if you or anyone else is interested
  • 01:09:42in this area has ideas or how to
  • 01:09:44address this in the kind of careful,
  • 01:09:46thoughtful way we'd like to,
  • 01:09:47I'm all ears.
  • 01:09:50Thanks, I I guess I would add 2.
  • 01:09:53I didn't hear you mention faculty in that,
  • 01:09:57and so I think Doctor Parkers question.
  • 01:09:59There's still half. That to be addressed.
  • 01:10:05Something that worked for I want to make
  • 01:10:07sure just because there was a question
  • 01:10:10from Doctor Goldenberg to Doctor Hermes,
  • 01:10:12our patient populations at different VA
  • 01:10:15sufficiently similar to compare across sites.
  • 01:10:17I saw you answered in a text,
  • 01:10:19but just so that everybody can hear it. Oh
  • 01:10:23yeah, great so it's a great question, Matt.
  • 01:10:26The so would you know I I talked about
  • 01:10:29VA pushing out metrics and you know
  • 01:10:32thanks for giving that analogy of sort
  • 01:10:34of having data rain down on you 'cause
  • 01:10:37it that's what it feels like sometimes.
  • 01:10:39Thankfully, when we're compared
  • 01:10:41against other facilities for a lot
  • 01:10:43of the metrics they are weighted
  • 01:10:45according to the facilities complexity.
  • 01:10:47So we are. We are compared to other
  • 01:10:50like facilities like Boston,
  • 01:10:51another sort of larger academic Villiers.
  • 01:10:53And to some extent.
  • 01:10:55That characterization takes into account,
  • 01:10:56you know, patient mix as well.
  • 01:10:58So it's not. I don't think it's perfect,
  • 01:11:01but it gives you a.
  • 01:11:02It's much better than trying
  • 01:11:04to do this in the dark.
  • 01:11:07So yeah, thank you.
  • 01:11:13Any other questions? We have attrition.
  • 01:11:17We have two minutes, is that? Yeah, it looks
  • 01:11:20like all the questions and chat are
  • 01:11:22done and I don't see any hand sprays.
  • 01:11:25So unless any come up now.
  • 01:11:28OK, well give it a second and just to finish.
  • 01:11:32I would say minute when I said it early,
  • 01:11:36I think you now have a an idea of
  • 01:11:39some of the work being done in
  • 01:11:41the Department and we are very
  • 01:11:44interested in future opportunities
  • 01:11:47to highlight clinical practice.
  • 01:11:49And so how we think about that?
  • 01:11:52And then again, you saw, I mean,
  • 01:11:54the excellence is just uncovered
  • 01:11:56in in this kind of conversation
  • 01:11:58exists throughout the Department,
  • 01:12:00and so we would be very interested in
  • 01:12:03any opportunities to further highlight
  • 01:12:06kind of clinical work that people
  • 01:12:08are doing in our vast Department.
  • 01:12:10I would like to thank all the presenters,
  • 01:12:14extraordinary job on pretty short
  • 01:12:16notice and again thank you all,
  • 01:12:18thanks specifically to Doctor Lee for.
  • 01:12:21I got to be the face of this.
  • 01:12:23She did all the work,
  • 01:12:25so thanks again and thanks to everybody.