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Yale Psychiatry Grand Rounds: January 22, 2021

January 22, 2021

Yale Psychiatry Grand Rounds: January 22, 2021

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  • 00:00Before we get started, I just
  • 00:04wanted to share news that we
  • 00:07have some sad news that we just learned
  • 00:10this week last day or so that Bob Ross,
  • 00:14who was a resident in our program
  • 00:17and an MD PhD from Yale and very
  • 00:20talented young investigator who
  • 00:22has all of those who knew him.
  • 00:28Struggled throughout his residency
  • 00:31with a neurodegenerative disorder,
  • 00:34and sadly he succumbed to that
  • 00:39disorder this weekend and passed away.
  • 00:44Really fine young man.
  • 00:47Very talented scientist. And.
  • 00:51We are always so sad to see someone
  • 00:54so young and talented struggle.
  • 00:58Last so mightily against
  • 01:02an irrevocable outcome.
  • 01:04Um? On let me change.
  • 01:11Change the tone abit.
  • 01:13We're really thrilled today to
  • 01:15have us at Grand Round Speaker
  • 01:17Ardene for a year so far.
  • 01:22Nancy Brown, she's the
  • 01:23gene and David Wallace,
  • 01:25Dean of the medical school and the CNH
  • 01:28Long Professor of Internal Medicine.
  • 01:30She's a graduate of Yale College.
  • 01:33And then, remarkably went
  • 01:35to Harvard afterwards.
  • 01:37Forgiven for that.
  • 01:40Completed her residency in internal
  • 01:43medicine at Vanderbilt and did a
  • 01:46fellowship in the famed clinical
  • 01:49pharmacology program there.
  • 01:51Roger Prior studied molecular
  • 01:53mechanisms of common medications are
  • 01:55used to treat high blood pressure,
  • 01:58and particularly the implications
  • 02:00of those treatments,
  • 02:01and in the context of the pathology
  • 02:05for both heart and kidney disease.
  • 02:09She's throughout her career,
  • 02:10been a very strong supporter
  • 02:12of physician scientists,
  • 02:14development development.
  • 02:15She initiated the Allen
  • 02:17Newman Society at Vanderbilt,
  • 02:19established the Masters
  • 02:20Program in Clinical Science,
  • 02:22and then also served in a
  • 02:25variety of leadership roles,
  • 02:27including the Associate Dean
  • 02:29for clinical and translational
  • 02:30Science Scientists Development,
  • 02:32the director of their Division
  • 02:34of Clinical Pharmacology was
  • 02:36first Robert Williams professor
  • 02:38and then the Hugh Morgan.
  • 02:41Professor and chair of the
  • 02:43Department of Internal Medicine
  • 02:44are recipient of numerous honors
  • 02:46member of the National Academy and
  • 02:49other prestigious organizations
  • 02:50and became Ardyn in last year.
  • 02:53So Nancy,
  • 02:54thanks so much for coming in
  • 02:56to speak to us today about the
  • 02:59state of the medical school,
  • 03:01where we're thrilled to welcome you
  • 03:04to the Department of Psychiatry.
  • 03:07Thank you and really,
  • 03:08this is intended to be a town Hall.
  • 03:10I do have a few slides that I
  • 03:13would refer to as the Cliff notes
  • 03:15for the state of the school,
  • 03:17just to remind you of some of the
  • 03:19things that we talked about in
  • 03:21June and update on a few of those
  • 03:24and then really opened it up for.
  • 03:26For questions and I'm very
  • 03:28grateful to be here with you,
  • 03:30and I have to say it's been a.
  • 03:34A tough year for this Department.
  • 03:36With some you know losses that are
  • 03:39just hard to understand and bear.
  • 03:42And yet you have remained a support
  • 03:44for others in the institution.
  • 03:47And I'm very grateful for that.
  • 03:50Let me share my screen.
  • 03:56And.
  • 04:00Talk a little bit about the school,
  • 04:03but let me start with leadership.
  • 04:07You know, since I've been here,
  • 04:10we've appointed Tony Koleski as
  • 04:13Deputy Dean for basic science.
  • 04:17We recently named Jessica Illuzzi
  • 04:20as deputy for medical education
  • 04:24and she officially started Jan 1.
  • 04:27Several in this Department are
  • 04:29taking critical leadership roles,
  • 04:31and I'd like to highlight the
  • 04:33work of of Sambol with Jonathan
  • 04:35Grauer in the Office of Academic
  • 04:37and Professional Development,
  • 04:39and also Bob Rohrbach,
  • 04:40who's been doing some work on
  • 04:43how we promote Wellness in the
  • 04:45clinical side and many others.
  • 04:47And I forgive me if I forget
  • 04:50to call out specific.
  • 04:52Folks.
  • 04:55One of the things that we would like to
  • 04:58do is a is do a better job of shouting
  • 05:02out the work of our faculty and I'll
  • 05:05talk about that a little bit more,
  • 05:07but I but I will say that this Department
  • 05:10in particular is extraordinary and
  • 05:12regularly ranked number one in among
  • 05:15departments of psychiatry and NIH funding.
  • 05:19Clinically, this year,
  • 05:21in addition to what you normally do,
  • 05:24you were accessible to faculty and
  • 05:26staff who had a disproportionate amount
  • 05:29of stress related to covid and made
  • 05:33yourselves available on a voluntary basis.
  • 05:36And it's really quite extraordinary.
  • 05:40Want to turn to culture and climate
  • 05:43and before I came before I arrived
  • 05:46I was aware of some high profile.
  • 05:50Cases that suggested and that I became
  • 05:54more convinced of as we as I arrived that.
  • 05:58Um? We had some work to do in creating
  • 06:02the infrastructure to promote
  • 06:04our best behavior and that work.
  • 06:06I would place in three buckets.
  • 06:09The first is identifying and
  • 06:11selecting leaders you know in academic
  • 06:14medicine we tend to select.
  • 06:16People based on their excellence,
  • 06:18their performance in research,
  • 06:20and the clinical arena,
  • 06:22but not often as often for
  • 06:24their leadership attributes.
  • 06:25And it shouldn't be either
  • 06:28or it should be both,
  • 06:30and so we have spent some time revising
  • 06:33our search processes to standardize them
  • 06:35and emphasize those qualities of leaders.
  • 06:39In addition,
  • 06:39once we tap leaders,
  • 06:41we tend to throw them in and say good
  • 06:43luck and and but the skill set required
  • 06:46for leadership is quite different
  • 06:48necessarily from that of running a
  • 06:50lab or a large clinical enterprise,
  • 06:52and it requires the ability to have difficult
  • 06:55conversations and make hard decisions,
  • 06:57and to be courageous and so.
  • 06:59Helping people develop those
  • 07:01skills is another area,
  • 07:03and we've been working to
  • 07:05to establish leadership,
  • 07:06development and coaching.
  • 07:07And then Lastly putting in place
  • 07:10systems that help us detect issues as
  • 07:13an early warning system and intervene
  • 07:15when people are struggling and that's
  • 07:18manifest in bad behavior or in micro
  • 07:21aggressions or whatever it is and
  • 07:24help them change behavior but also
  • 07:27hold people accountable for their
  • 07:29behavior and so this is the work.
  • 07:31That's being done in LAPD.
  • 07:34And if you haven't looked at
  • 07:36their newly revised website,
  • 07:37I would encourage it,
  • 07:38but but one of the key things is
  • 07:41just closing the loops for all
  • 07:43the different points of entry.
  • 07:45When somebody expresses a concern,
  • 07:47because that may be expressed in
  • 07:49the hospital and yet never get
  • 07:51back to the school.
  • 07:52Or it may be expressed in a
  • 07:54Department and not be centralized,
  • 07:56but also surprise supporting our chairs.
  • 07:59And other leaders as they face difficult
  • 08:01situations because for anyone chair,
  • 08:03it might be the first time
  • 08:05someone has dealt with it.
  • 08:07But for a centralized office
  • 08:09they can provide expertise.
  • 08:12So I've mentioned this in our
  • 08:14work to standardize pathways
  • 08:15and not only accountability,
  • 08:17but I would say closing the loop.
  • 08:19We too often don't go back to our
  • 08:21faculty and staff and say something
  • 08:23has been done and we may not be
  • 08:25able to say what has been done,
  • 08:27but we can at least.
  • 08:30Close that loop.
  • 08:31We've done work to review our
  • 08:33mission statement and I'll mention
  • 08:35that in a minute we have now
  • 08:38close to finalized a strategic
  • 08:40plan for diversity equity,
  • 08:42inclusion for faculty,
  • 08:43and we have a draft for students.
  • 08:47This really focuses on mentorship and
  • 08:50sponsorship and creating an inclusive
  • 08:53environment and promoting retention.
  • 08:58And part of creating an inclusive environment
  • 09:00is creating space that is inclusive,
  • 09:02and if you haven't been outside
  • 09:04the Deans Office lately,
  • 09:05I would encourage you to walk by there.
  • 09:08We've we've moved to the portraits.
  • 09:10One haulover we've sent back some
  • 09:12of the portraits that were clearly
  • 09:14just there because someone had
  • 09:16cleaned his or her addict and now
  • 09:18it's limited just to the Deans.
  • 09:20We've cleaned them up a bit,
  • 09:22but we've made space for two.
  • 09:25Rotating exhibits in the
  • 09:27first 2 will open soon.
  • 09:29One is an exhibit on HIV in New Haven,
  • 09:32and that history that involves our
  • 09:35school and the 2nd is a exhibit related
  • 09:38to the accolades of our current faculty
  • 09:41who are of course much more diverse
  • 09:44than the Deans hanging down the Hall.
  • 09:47So I'm excited about those changes.
  • 09:50We've also done some work too.
  • 09:52Review our institutional guidelines
  • 09:54around compensation plans.
  • 09:56As you know, Dean Alpern and now I.
  • 10:00Annually go through salaries to
  • 10:02make sure there aren't outliers
  • 10:04and to and to ensure equity,
  • 10:06but we also needed to do some work to say
  • 10:09why do we see outliers and what are the what?
  • 10:13Are the areas in which compensation plans
  • 10:15are not consistent across the institution.
  • 10:17So we've just finished that work.
  • 10:21We are enhancing our resources for
  • 10:24mentorship and career development.
  • 10:26I've tapped Keith Choate to become
  • 10:28the associate Dean for physician
  • 10:31scientists development,
  • 10:32but again, Sam Ball.
  • 10:34We're doing a lot of work in
  • 10:38creating toolkits for our clinician,
  • 10:41educator and clinician faculty in
  • 10:44helping them develop portfolios
  • 10:47and educational portfolios as well.
  • 10:50And as I mentioned,
  • 10:51we have to develop mechanisms to celebrate
  • 10:54all that our faculty and staff are doing,
  • 10:57and one of my favorite emails
  • 10:59these days is the Wednesday morning
  • 11:01email of news and recognition.
  • 11:03And it's just great to see what all
  • 11:06that is going on in in the school.
  • 11:09And we're continuing listening meetings
  • 11:11which I anticipate continuing for good
  • 11:14just because they are very helpful for
  • 11:17me to to hear from you and to meet you.
  • 11:20Even if not in person.
  • 11:22So this is our mission statement.
  • 11:24It was an interesting process and one
  • 11:27that I thought would be difficult to do.
  • 11:29But it turns out that Zoom is a
  • 11:31is a wonderful medium for focus
  • 11:34groups and for surveys.
  • 11:35And as you know,
  • 11:37this was an iterative process
  • 11:39with lots of feedback until until
  • 11:41we got it where we wanted to be.
  • 11:44Yale School of Medicine educates
  • 11:46and nurtures creative leaders in
  • 11:48medicine by promoting curiosity and
  • 11:50critical inquiry in an inclusive
  • 11:52and collaborative environment
  • 11:54enriched by diversity.
  • 11:55Those words promoting curiosity
  • 11:57and critical inquiry,
  • 11:58I think convey the Yale system of
  • 12:01medical education and the notion
  • 12:03that we treat our students and
  • 12:06learners as adults and that they
  • 12:09take responsibility for immersing.
  • 12:11And we believe that that creates people who.
  • 12:16Know how to go deeply and ask
  • 12:18questions and notice the outliers,
  • 12:20the words inclusion and diversity
  • 12:22had not appeared in our
  • 12:24mission statement before and
  • 12:26that was very important to us.
  • 12:28And we advanced discovery and innovation
  • 12:30in the pursuit of scientific knowledge,
  • 12:32fostered by partnerships
  • 12:33across the University,
  • 12:35our local community in the world.
  • 12:37And this is an institution where
  • 12:39the excellence of our scientific
  • 12:41discovery is extraordinary.
  • 12:42But it's important to acknowledge
  • 12:44that we don't do that in a vacuum,
  • 12:47and we benefit from being part of
  • 12:50the larger University, but also from
  • 12:52being embedded in this community.
  • 12:54And we're not alone.
  • 12:55And Lastly,
  • 12:56we care for patients with compassion.
  • 12:59And commit to improving
  • 13:00the health of our people.
  • 13:02Acknowledging both our own individual
  • 13:05relationships with patients,
  • 13:06but also our larger commitment
  • 13:09to the Community at large.
  • 13:12So on the clinical mission,
  • 13:14you know,
  • 13:15I think it's hard to look back on the
  • 13:18last year without saying the word covid,
  • 13:21but I think one of the Silver Linings
  • 13:24of the pandemic has been the.
  • 13:27Fact that when faced with a common enemy,
  • 13:30we have worked collaboratively
  • 13:32and together in ways that I think
  • 13:34perhaps we didn't realize were
  • 13:36possible and we need to learn from
  • 13:39that in terms of realizing better
  • 13:41alignment between the school and our
  • 13:43partners in Una Haven health system.
  • 13:46And to that end,
  • 13:47we're doing a fair amount of
  • 13:49work addressing governance and
  • 13:51how we share decision rights and
  • 13:54what the role of chairs are,
  • 13:57and Chiefs across the system.
  • 13:59And that's been very gratifying work,
  • 14:01and one in which the delivery network
  • 14:05presidents are engaged as well.
  • 14:07Related to that,
  • 14:08I think we have to develop improved
  • 14:11analytics and we have to become
  • 14:13comfortable with seeing how we're
  • 14:15doing in terms of quality and service
  • 14:18and then looking at them together
  • 14:20and problem solving together.
  • 14:21It's part of holding ourselves
  • 14:24accountable for what we do and we
  • 14:27need to include HealthEquity in that.
  • 14:30And then as an academic Medical
  • 14:35Center and system.
  • 14:37Every patient should be enrolled
  • 14:39in clinical research in some way
  • 14:41and should be contributing to the
  • 14:43discovery mission and we should
  • 14:44be leveraging our discovery to
  • 14:46enhance the care of every patient.
  • 14:48And so I think we have work to do there.
  • 14:52And then of course,
  • 14:53spaces is a difficult problem for us.
  • 14:56I think our our approaches to it will change.
  • 14:59Post covid.
  • 15:00In that we will have more people staff
  • 15:03working off campus by preference and
  • 15:06we will be able to open up office space,
  • 15:10perhaps for clinicians.
  • 15:11And we may use that space differently
  • 15:14on the education front I mentioned
  • 15:17the appointment of Jessica Lusion.
  • 15:19She's already doing a terrific idea,
  • 15:22perfect job and plans a some
  • 15:24strategic planning work,
  • 15:26not of the scope that we did when
  • 15:29Richard Belitsky took the job.
  • 15:32But really focused on pedagogy and and
  • 15:35mentorship and support for our students.
  • 15:37The Yale system is wonderful,
  • 15:39but it does require that students
  • 15:42know how to navigate and seek help.
  • 15:45And so in the early days,
  • 15:47providing a little bit of support for that.
  • 15:51And then I think in the area of pedagogy we.
  • 15:56I think can do a better job of
  • 15:59using technology and learning from
  • 16:01Kovit again in terms of how to
  • 16:04engage students in a better way.
  • 16:06I would you were aware that Dean
  • 16:10Alpern successfully reduced the
  • 16:12unit loan to $15,000 per student
  • 16:14and that's been wonderful,
  • 16:16but we're currently paying for that out
  • 16:19of operations and I would dearly love to
  • 16:23identify donors to invest in that work.
  • 16:27We also have an opportunity to leverage
  • 16:29our alumni I think to to help us in
  • 16:32our recruitment and of students and
  • 16:34residents and to help us get the
  • 16:37word out about all of the things
  • 16:39good things that are going on here
  • 16:41and in particularly to help us with
  • 16:44enhancing recruitment and retention
  • 16:45of those who are under represented
  • 16:48in medicine among our students.
  • 16:50Both our medical students in
  • 16:51our PhD students,
  • 16:53approximately 27% are
  • 16:54under represented medicine,
  • 16:55but we need to retain.
  • 16:57Those in academia in our residency
  • 17:00programs in our fellowships,
  • 17:02because those become those programs often
  • 17:05retain folks as faculty subsequently.
  • 17:09And then I mentioned leveraging our
  • 17:12communications to get the word out a
  • 17:15little bit better about what we're doing.
  • 17:17In research we are.
  • 17:19We have an going.
  • 17:20We're in the latter stages of a search
  • 17:23for a chair of neuroscience and I'm
  • 17:26very excited about the work going on there.
  • 17:29Um,
  • 17:30we have held a strategic plan
  • 17:32for research within the school
  • 17:35in the context of the University
  • 17:38Science Strategic Plan, so.
  • 17:41Focused on how we realize some
  • 17:43of those overarching priorities,
  • 17:45but also what is unique to the
  • 17:47school and one of the things that I
  • 17:51think was particularly successful
  • 17:53about this exercise was that it was
  • 17:55not a top down exercise but one in
  • 17:58which Tony Glowski and Brian Smith
  • 18:01engaged many of the rising leaders
  • 18:04in department's and and spent a lot
  • 18:07of time talking with folks on on
  • 18:09the phone and developing surveys.
  • 18:11And then.
  • 18:12Tapping those rising stars to
  • 18:15lead strategic planning groups.
  • 18:17And there were several overarching themes.
  • 18:20One I would say was the desire to
  • 18:23promote better collaboration across
  • 18:25our basic science and clinical
  • 18:28departments and to facilitate
  • 18:31interdisciplinary research through
  • 18:33large multidisciplinary grants.
  • 18:36A second is a need for better
  • 18:40resources supporting our researchers
  • 18:42in terms of data science.
  • 18:46And then a third was,
  • 18:48I think,
  • 18:49a desire to to coordinate better all of
  • 18:52the work going on in HealthEquity research,
  • 18:55and to that end,
  • 18:57we appointed Marcella Nunez Smith as
  • 18:59associate Dean for HealthEquity Research.
  • 19:04I mentioned Keith Choate and Kisses
  • 19:06has hit the ground running and
  • 19:09establishing infrastructure to enhance
  • 19:11the success of physician scientists.
  • 19:13That will include some institutional
  • 19:16awards for salary support,
  • 19:17but also a lot of career development
  • 19:20resources that will not be
  • 19:23limited to physician scientists.
  • 19:24But to all, such as a grants repository
  • 19:28repository of successful grants and
  • 19:30in career development networking.
  • 19:33I mentioned this and we are developing
  • 19:35an office that will support the
  • 19:38administrative functions related to
  • 19:40submitting multidisciplinary grants,
  • 19:41but also provide pilot support and.
  • 19:46And potentially studios and salons too.
  • 19:50Help identify groups that can collaborate.
  • 19:55We have work to do and this is I
  • 19:57think not been adequately developed
  • 19:59to improve the function.
  • 20:00Our course and certainly our
  • 20:02grant and regulatory support,
  • 20:03and in that I include our contract ING,
  • 20:06which is slow and cumbersome and Brian
  • 20:09Smith is starting to engage in that work.
  • 20:12I think we have an opportunity to
  • 20:15do a better job of nominating our
  • 20:17faculty for key honors and awards,
  • 20:20and really sponsoring our faculty.
  • 20:24We have done some work to increase the
  • 20:26availability of endowed professorships.
  • 20:28This includes making it possible to split
  • 20:32an endowed professorship that has become.
  • 20:35Very large and we have criteria
  • 20:37for doing that and we are now for
  • 20:41those appointed professorships.
  • 20:42After 2020 those are appointed on a 10
  • 20:46year renewable term and we expect that
  • 20:4999.9% of those will be renewed each time,
  • 20:52but it does give give us the ability to
  • 20:55make professorships available if someone
  • 20:58is it's not appropriate to renew somebody.
  • 21:02And then work that we have not yet started.
  • 21:05But I think we need to do soon is work
  • 21:08on improving the quality of life and
  • 21:12career development for our research
  • 21:14track faculty who are often the platform
  • 21:17in which our programs are built.
  • 21:19And then we are probably about a year
  • 21:22away from establishing a scientific
  • 21:24Advisory Board that would help us work
  • 21:27to diversify our funding portfolio,
  • 21:29but also again, improve.
  • 21:31Communication about the work here.
  • 21:33So those are a few things and you
  • 21:35know we've accomplished them,
  • 21:36but we have a lot more to do and I
  • 21:39just wanted to remind you of some
  • 21:41of what we've talked about.
  • 21:43And then I'm going to stop sharing
  • 21:45and just open it up for questions.
  • 21:59And I see Richard Belinski and I just
  • 22:02want to give a shout out to Richard's.
  • 22:05For all that he's done for medical
  • 22:07education as we were talking about
  • 22:09kudos and my gratitude for his work
  • 22:11to break me in in the first year.
  • 22:15Thanks Nancy, I appreciate that very much.
  • 22:20John, I have a question.
  • 22:23Ken thank you
  • 22:25so much for that. Quick overview.
  • 22:27Rajita Sinha. We've talked before.
  • 22:29I was really interested in your point
  • 22:32about support for research and the data
  • 22:35science piece that's in intriguing.
  • 22:37And, as you know,
  • 22:38so much of of both basic and clinical
  • 22:42science is moving in that direction.
  • 22:44Just thinking about the amount
  • 22:47the portfolio in psychiatry for
  • 22:49clinical research and we bring in
  • 22:51somewhere such a big Department
  • 22:53after medicine being the second one.
  • 22:56And we.
  • 22:56There's so much clinical research
  • 22:58going on and wondering how an
  • 23:00obviously in medicine as well.
  • 23:02A lot of times when we start thinking
  • 23:05about resources across the school,
  • 23:07it's hard to sort of think about
  • 23:10how those would get access to Nan.
  • 23:13People who need it can.
  • 23:15It can can access them and really
  • 23:17get get some benefit,
  • 23:19so was wondering if you could
  • 23:21elaborate on that some more.
  • 23:23I've been involved in Yci so
  • 23:25I know that's a platform,
  • 23:27but oftentimes the.
  • 23:28Mid and senior folks who may be
  • 23:30involved in larger grants that could
  • 23:33benefit from those kinds of resources
  • 23:35tend to not have access to those.
  • 23:38Yeah, so my view of this is that
  • 23:42we need to establish really a core
  • 23:46function for data science in the same
  • 23:50way that we do for basic science and.
  • 23:53It's it can be done and it can
  • 23:56be done well. You need to.
  • 24:01Make sure that it's accessible
  • 24:02to young investigators as well
  • 24:04as senior senior investigators.
  • 24:06There may need to be a hub and spoke kind of
  • 24:10model where you have centralized resources,
  • 24:13but you have expertise within individual
  • 24:15departments that that then leverage
  • 24:17those resources and help investigators.
  • 24:19And there are two kinds of data science.
  • 24:22I think the one we're talking about here is
  • 24:25what I would call bio medical informatics,
  • 24:28and you know,
  • 24:30access to electronic health records and.
  • 24:32Imaging in those kinds of things, but.
  • 24:35The other, of course, is the omcs piece,
  • 24:38and those are probably different cores and.
  • 24:41And we will have to make investments
  • 24:43and I think we have to support these
  • 24:46things with endowment, frankly.
  • 25:03I just follow up since no
  • 25:05one else is saying anything.
  • 25:07I appreciate your recognition of
  • 25:09the the support for the clinical
  • 25:12studies and I'm wondering it is
  • 25:15complicated and wondering if you
  • 25:17anticipate there would be some sort of.
  • 25:19Planning committee or way to sort of
  • 25:22think about how really to structure that?
  • 25:24Or would it use existing structures
  • 25:27to come up with the best plan?
  • 25:29I really appreciate you're talking
  • 25:31about support for it 'cause so many
  • 25:34larger ones and things just don't
  • 25:35end up having their big enough
  • 25:38for getting the data collected.
  • 25:40They don't have the capacity to
  • 25:42support those kinds of aspects,
  • 25:43so
  • 25:44you're talking about the multidisciplinary.
  • 25:46Yeah which which may or may not
  • 25:48be clinical, but. Yeah, so we.
  • 25:54We have drafted and Captain who's doing
  • 25:56this work with spores in the Cancer Center.
  • 25:59He will not take the job permanently,
  • 26:02but is helping us out, for example,
  • 26:05with the grant we're submitting now.
  • 26:08And. So these officers have to be able
  • 26:12to do things like format, you know,
  • 26:15the gazillion biosketches promptly
  • 26:17and the things that are don't add
  • 26:20to the quote science of the grant.
  • 26:22The the other pieces that you've mentioned.
  • 26:26Our besides the administrative
  • 26:28support one is money and so we
  • 26:33have budgeted for some pilots too.
  • 26:37That would support specifically grants from
  • 26:41investigators of different departments, and.
  • 26:45But I think you also have to provide.
  • 26:48Um? The.
  • 26:51It would I would call the enter
  • 26:54function right?
  • 26:55How do you get people from different
  • 26:57areas together to know what's
  • 26:58even going on in the institution?
  • 27:00And because we're siloed,
  • 27:02I think we've probably all had the
  • 27:04experience of being the visiting
  • 27:06professor and being the vector from
  • 27:08one group to another in an institution
  • 27:10where they didn't know what each
  • 27:13other you know was working on.
  • 27:16So we've talked about putting together
  • 27:18a studio system where an investigator
  • 27:20could say I'm interested in this
  • 27:22area and and actually one of the
  • 27:24groups that's really interested in
  • 27:26helping with this is the library
  • 27:28because they love doing these
  • 27:31kinds of searches and so a recent.
  • 27:33Epiphany was that maybe they
  • 27:35could help with this as well,
  • 27:37and but then you can bring those
  • 27:38people in a room together and say,
  • 27:40OK, you know what's the hypothesis?
  • 27:42What are the specific games and
  • 27:44and who's who's who's not here?
  • 27:46Who should be here and the other
  • 27:47way to promote this is with the
  • 27:50career development activities.
  • 27:51The more young people we get in a
  • 27:54room from different departments.
  • 27:56Who are of the same cohort but
  • 27:58in different Sciences?
  • 28:00That better than networking
  • 28:01happens and in my experience that
  • 28:03then connects their mentors.
  • 28:05They grow up and become senior faculty and
  • 28:07it connects those those groups forever,
  • 28:10and so I think that will also
  • 28:12be a way of doing it, yeah.
  • 28:19Besides Jerry Centocor I I know,
  • 28:21along those lines there
  • 28:23was plans for the clinical trial,
  • 28:25Strategic Planning Committee and that
  • 28:27was started early
  • 28:28on. Is that still in process?
  • 28:32So, um, the not sure.
  • 28:37Which committee you're talking about,
  • 28:38but I can tell you what we are doing.
  • 28:41The. We're at this very exciting.
  • 28:48Point in at Yale.
  • 28:50In terms of neurosciences,
  • 28:51there's we're about to have a
  • 28:54neuroscience Institute that will be
  • 28:57focused on cognitive neuroscience.
  • 28:59We are building out space in 100 college.
  • 29:03The hospital is looking at a tower
  • 29:06that would be completed roughly
  • 29:09in 2026 which will increase our
  • 29:12capacity for clinical neuroscience
  • 29:15and the one gap there I think is
  • 29:19the clinical translational trials
  • 29:21and so we have tapped a group
  • 29:24including from this Department.
  • 29:27Chris Pittinger an. Anne.
  • 29:29But somebody from.
  • 29:31Neurosurgery neurology.
  • 29:35Etc to develop a strategic planning
  • 29:37process to get all of the many
  • 29:40stakeholders in the room and
  • 29:42think about how do we develop
  • 29:44that infrastructure to translate?
  • 29:46Because I think that's that's
  • 29:48the one gap in all of that other.
  • 29:51And all of those other resources.
  • 29:55And.
  • 29:58It will be extraordinary if
  • 29:59we can do this if we can.
  • 30:00Take advantage of that and that
  • 30:02will identify the resources
  • 30:03that we need that are beyond
  • 30:05what's available in the CTS A.
  • 30:10Thanks.
  • 30:15So this is as many petrakos from the
  • 30:17VA just to switch gears a little bit.
  • 30:20Speaking of being siloed,
  • 30:21can you say a little bit about
  • 30:23your vision? About the VA?
  • 30:24You know we have a chief of staff
  • 30:27turnover coming up and just just
  • 30:29your thoughts about it,
  • 30:30so my overall thought is that
  • 30:32Villiers are very important too.
  • 30:34Schools of medicine and.
  • 30:36That were probably.
  • 30:40Under collaborating,
  • 30:41not so much in psychiatry, obviously,
  • 30:44but in some other Department and that I am
  • 30:47optimistic because I think the leadership,
  • 30:50the current leadership as opposed
  • 30:52perhaps to prior leadership,
  • 30:54really values our partnership.
  • 30:56And as I was very disappointed that
  • 31:00that Mike is leaving 'cause I think
  • 31:03he was a terrific chief of staff.
  • 31:06But as example of how Al Montoya
  • 31:09values are our partnership,
  • 31:11if you look at the search
  • 31:14committee for this position,
  • 31:15it's really composed.
  • 31:18Largely of Yale School of Medicine
  • 31:21faculty who do a lot of work at the VA,
  • 31:25and I have no doubt that the the person we
  • 31:28tap will be committed to that partnership,
  • 31:32and then we have things to think about,
  • 31:35like space and.
  • 31:38You know which is not optimal at
  • 31:40the VA in terms of research basin,
  • 31:42and whether there's opportunities
  • 31:44you know West Campus is darn
  • 31:45close to the VA and are there
  • 31:47opportunities to collaborate there?
  • 31:48But we have to get that leadership in place.
  • 31:53Great, thank you.
  • 31:58Thank you, Dean Brown.
  • 32:00It's Diana for presenting I,
  • 32:02you know you and I have talked before,
  • 32:05but I think the weight of cobett 19 Ann.
  • 32:09Just the the depth
  • 32:11and breadth of anti black racism
  • 32:13over the last year has. Um?
  • 32:20Just fortify how
  • 32:21difficult it is to be one
  • 32:23of the only
  • 32:25Zana, predominantly White Department,
  • 32:26and I'm wondering like what
  • 32:28are the strategic
  • 32:29plans that you
  • 32:31guys might be thinking of of
  • 32:33how to retain URM faculty.
  • 32:35I know you mentioned
  • 32:37it but I'm thinking if
  • 32:39there are actual
  • 32:40like plan in place what is being done? Yeah.
  • 32:45So there is a strategic plan and the grant
  • 32:49that I mentioned that we're writing is.
  • 32:52Is a newly released RFA
  • 32:55from NIH for cluster hiring.
  • 32:57But let me let me address. What I think.
  • 33:04Where I think we should be focusing?
  • 33:07So I mentioned the importance of retention
  • 33:10an and mentorship and sponsorship.
  • 33:12And when I say retention I mean something
  • 33:15very different from how we traditionally
  • 33:18have done it in medicine, which is.
  • 33:22We tend to ignore junior faculty and
  • 33:24then other people invite them to give
  • 33:27talks and try to recruit them away,
  • 33:29and then we wake up and realize that we
  • 33:32need to invest in their programs and.
  • 33:36And sometimes we lose them, and I think that.
  • 33:41How I think we should be doing
  • 33:45retention is by.
  • 33:46Checking in early with our
  • 33:48faculty and making sure that they.
  • 33:52Have what they need and sometimes
  • 33:54are younger faculty don't even know
  • 33:56what they need and you need to.
  • 33:58You need to help people figure
  • 34:01that out it it includes.
  • 34:03The type of sponsorship of sending
  • 34:06people to national meetings and
  • 34:08recommending them for things and not
  • 34:10waiting until they've been invited by
  • 34:12somebody else and you just notice that.
  • 34:15That, gosh,
  • 34:16I haven't been paying attention here.
  • 34:20For example,
  • 34:20there are some you know very simple things.
  • 34:24Double AMC offers leadership
  • 34:26development for minority faculty.
  • 34:28It offers programs for women.
  • 34:30We've been kind of passive about that.
  • 34:33You know,
  • 34:34we invite faculty to put their names
  • 34:36in and we're doing that differently.
  • 34:39Now we're we're asking or
  • 34:42Department chairs too.
  • 34:44Um,
  • 34:44recommend people and put somebody forward,
  • 34:46which is just a forcing function to
  • 34:49make very busy people look at their
  • 34:51team and say who who were my great
  • 34:54people that I need to invest in and
  • 34:57nominate that I want to develop.
  • 34:59And so there are ways to promote
  • 35:02that in everything that we do.
  • 35:04There's there is.
  • 35:06You know much fundamental work to be done.
  • 35:10In terms of anti racism and education
  • 35:13and then I would say in our searches
  • 35:17we have for our leadership searches
  • 35:20significantly changed our process
  • 35:22to make sure that our search
  • 35:26committees are truly representative
  • 35:28and I think that has the impact of.
  • 35:35In terms of our finalists and when you
  • 35:37look at our finalists for the last couple
  • 35:40of searches that we're engaged in,
  • 35:43they are diverse and we those are the
  • 35:45kinds of leading indicators you need to
  • 35:48measure to get to the lagging indicator,
  • 35:51which is increasing diversity
  • 35:52among our leadership.
  • 36:05Thanks for that. Is there a?
  • 36:07Is there a like actual committee
  • 36:09that's working on that or?
  • 36:11On which on
  • 36:12all of the things that you were
  • 36:14talking about, like having the
  • 36:16strategic plan like I, I'm I
  • 36:17am aware of the. Cluster hire grant.
  • 36:21Because anyway, that's
  • 36:22something that I study and
  • 36:24I know some people
  • 36:25involved in that, but about
  • 36:26the strategic plan around
  • 36:28your IAM retention and all the different.
  • 36:30Points you just talked about.
  • 36:32If they're like, is it already in existence?
  • 36:36Someone committee that's looking
  • 36:37at there's there's there's a draft
  • 36:40that's been presented now to lots of
  • 36:44different groups. So for example.
  • 36:49Starting with, you know the Executive Group,
  • 36:52which is the chairs and and director
  • 36:55center directors. Then you know,
  • 36:57FAQ some of the student groups.
  • 37:00More you know, it's the plan is
  • 37:02to is to extensively bet that.
  • 37:04But in terms of who's doing the work,
  • 37:07the idea of this plan is that it's not.
  • 37:11We're not. Putting this work in a silo right,
  • 37:15this is work that we should be
  • 37:17doing in everything that you know.
  • 37:19It's not it doesn't.
  • 37:20It doesn't just belong in DI,
  • 37:22it's not owned by one group.
  • 37:23It's something that we all
  • 37:25need to be doing and so.
  • 37:28Some of the measurements will be done.
  • 37:30You know tracking things will
  • 37:32be done in the Deans office
  • 37:34are in Darren's office,
  • 37:35but this isn't something that
  • 37:37we delegate to others.
  • 37:47I have a follow up
  • 37:48question to that Jean Steiner at
  • 37:50at CMAC, and it has to do with
  • 37:53the Fetty funds and process. Um, you
  • 37:56know the funds are are terrific and
  • 37:59it's it's really helped us support
  • 38:02some of our
  • 38:03junior faculty. You
  • 38:04are M and I think one
  • 38:06of the. Challenges is
  • 38:09that we can't submit an application
  • 38:11until the search is completed and
  • 38:14we have a signed offer letter.
  • 38:17You know, and and use that to
  • 38:20support the application and then
  • 38:21there is of course a Ilagan time
  • 38:24as it gets processed within
  • 38:26medical school and University.
  • 38:27To find out whether.
  • 38:29We can use those
  • 38:31funds or whether they're
  • 38:32going to be available,
  • 38:33which makes it a little complicated.
  • 38:36As we initiate searches and and really
  • 38:39do our best to recruit diverse faculty,
  • 38:41I'm I'm just wondering what your
  • 38:43thoughts might be. Yeah so.
  • 38:48It is something we've been advocating for,
  • 38:50I think, but but I would. Suggest that.
  • 38:56Um? These are recruits that we should make.
  • 38:59Um? Even you know whether
  • 39:03or not we have fed funds,
  • 39:05and so I view very funds as kind of
  • 39:07you know it's it's great to get them,
  • 39:10but we just need to do this work.
  • 39:13And and if you view it from that perspective.
  • 39:18It's it's a little bit less problematic
  • 39:20that we get them after the fact.
  • 39:25Thank you.
  • 39:30There's a question in the chat
  • 39:32clarity on plans for initiatives
  • 39:34for recruitment support and
  • 39:37advancement of clinician educators.
  • 39:39So thank you that Jonathan
  • 39:42and Sam have spent the last.
  • 39:46I don't know a long time,
  • 39:48six months or longer.
  • 39:50Going around every Department learning
  • 39:52about what resources currently exist
  • 39:54and then developing resources Ann,
  • 39:57and if again I would encourage you to.
  • 40:00Look at the the web page.
  • 40:03So even the simplest things of.
  • 40:06Developing the chart and posting on
  • 40:08the web page 4 what are the criteria
  • 40:11for promotion in each of these tracks?
  • 40:14Which it's hard to believe,
  • 40:15but we didn't have that previously,
  • 40:17so so it's out there now.
  • 40:20Developing workshops on Mentor ship
  • 40:23and on how to prepare your CV and your
  • 40:28CV two and so one of the things that.
  • 40:32I've learned over the years is that you.
  • 40:36It's actually harder to centralise
  • 40:38some of those things because
  • 40:41of the very different.
  • 40:45Profile of clinician educators.
  • 40:47Depending on the Department
  • 40:48and even the subspecialty.
  • 40:50So, as an internist I use medicine.
  • 40:53You, a clinician educator in oncology,
  • 40:56looks very different from
  • 40:57a clinician educator in ID.
  • 40:59For example,
  • 41:01in terms of the portfolio of there.
  • 41:05Research or education the
  • 41:06way they spend their time,
  • 41:08and so you can't create one size fits all,
  • 41:11but you can create modules and then
  • 41:14partner with those departments or
  • 41:16sections to offer them in a way
  • 41:18that specific to their faculty.
  • 41:20So that's the work that they're doing.
  • 41:25To follow up on that point, my name
  • 41:28flamingly at Yale, New Haven
  • 41:30and you know I was just
  • 41:33curious in terms of support for early career.
  • 41:37You know clinical educators
  • 41:39especially because
  • 41:40you know a lot of the challenges are
  • 41:43around balancing time and then being
  • 41:46able to do work on education. In
  • 41:49addition to doing, you know.
  • 41:51All of your clinical work,
  • 41:53so I'm curious about whether
  • 41:55or not there is small funding
  • 41:57mechanisms to help with preserving
  • 41:59sometime for the junior faculty.
  • 42:00I mean, I'm already noticing some
  • 42:03of my colleagues leave because
  • 42:05of that and not having as much
  • 42:07protected time to work on education,
  • 42:09so I'm just curious about that piece
  • 42:12and sort of small grants that can
  • 42:14support educational initiatives
  • 42:16that aren't necessarily funded by
  • 42:17the NIH or an IMAJ grants, sure.
  • 42:21Um? So couple things one is.
  • 42:27I think it's one of the things we
  • 42:30did when we revised our guidelines
  • 42:33for the Department and compensation
  • 42:35plans is state specifically what?
  • 42:38R. Expectations were around
  • 42:41distribution of effort.
  • 42:43You know, I think.
  • 42:47Faculty are disappointed if there's a.
  • 42:50If there's a difference in expectation
  • 42:52between the chair and the faculty
  • 42:54member in terms of how much time is
  • 42:57spent on educational activities,
  • 42:59for example so. That is one thing and.
  • 43:10And I haven't. I studied the Department
  • 43:13of Psychiatry Compensation Plan
  • 43:14to look at what's you know what's
  • 43:17protected in terms of education time?
  • 43:19One of the things in terms of Central
  • 43:22E for education rolls, the conversation
  • 43:24that Jessica and Richard and I have had,
  • 43:27is the notion that. We should. Um?
  • 43:35Be pretty specific about effort requirements
  • 43:37for those major roles in medical education,
  • 43:39and we've done that with some things,
  • 43:42course directors and others.
  • 43:44But we should do that with clerkships
  • 43:47and tie effort to those things.
  • 43:50So that's something that we
  • 43:52will work on doing. Um?
  • 43:54An with respect to grants.
  • 43:59My understanding was that
  • 44:00there were some through TLC,
  • 44:01but I may be wrong about that.
  • 44:02And Richard, I should just shut
  • 44:04up and let you answer this.
  • 44:09No, that's right,
  • 44:10there are limited grants
  • 44:11available for these kinds of things,
  • 44:14But the teaching and Learning Center can
  • 44:17be available for consultation around
  • 44:19educational scholarship and looking
  • 44:20for those kinds of opportunities.
  • 44:31Nancy, it's Chris Pittenger.
  • 44:32Thank you for being here this morning.
  • 44:35And for the overview,
  • 44:36you focused on initiative to develop clinical
  • 44:39clinician scientists in their careers.
  • 44:41And that's an area that this
  • 44:43Department has a long and rather
  • 44:45successful history in bringing up
  • 44:47clinician scientists internally.
  • 44:48But I wonder if you could speak it.
  • 44:51It's hard because of you know,
  • 44:54the complicated role that successful
  • 44:56clinician scientists fill and the multiple
  • 44:58sort of failure points where we lose.
  • 45:01People. From that pipeline,
  • 45:04both during training and during
  • 45:05the early faculty period,
  • 45:06I wonder if you could speak a
  • 45:08little more to how you envision
  • 45:10trying to bolster that yeah,
  • 45:11development process.
  • 45:13Um, so, as I mentioned,
  • 45:1611 aspect of this is.
  • 45:19Is providing some internal funding
  • 45:22for the transition from T to K.
  • 45:25As it were. On a competitive basis and
  • 45:29there won't be a lot of positions,
  • 45:32but it it has, it serves the function
  • 45:35of making department's decide who
  • 45:37they want to invest in because to get
  • 45:40that funding you have to commit and.
  • 45:43It also allows for better
  • 45:45coordination of the various career
  • 45:46development programs that already
  • 45:48exist and and so if you do that,
  • 45:50you can you can create.
  • 45:54A collection of funding
  • 45:56mechanisms and obviously,
  • 45:57ultimately the Department has to
  • 45:59say I'm investing in this person,
  • 46:02but the other piece of it,
  • 46:04and the reason for appointing a Keith
  • 46:07Choate is is the idea of having some
  • 46:10oversight of mentorship and having
  • 46:12someone who is meeting regularly.
  • 46:15With our junior faculty who have K awards,
  • 46:18for example, where we've said
  • 46:21they have 75% protected time,
  • 46:23or if you know for some of
  • 46:25the surgical specialties,
  • 46:27now 50% protected time and
  • 46:30ensuring that they do.
  • 46:33And.
  • 46:35That that role can can really identify
  • 46:39areas where their problems and mentors
  • 46:43were their problems and and then giving.
  • 46:48Faculty the tools to protect their
  • 46:50own time at one of the things that
  • 46:53happens quite frequently as a
  • 46:55faculty member may not be in clinic.
  • 46:58But may have trouble.
  • 47:02Not doing certain activities because
  • 47:04they're comfortable, you know.
  • 47:05I mean, we are.
  • 47:06We all know how to take care of patients
  • 47:09or patient calls and our partner,
  • 47:11who's on call could take that call.
  • 47:13But we do.
  • 47:14And you know,
  • 47:15so helping people figure out how
  • 47:17they want to spend their time in
  • 47:19an intentional way so that when
  • 47:21they are five years down the road,
  • 47:23they have become what they
  • 47:25thought they were becoming and.
  • 47:27Whatever that is, there's not a right answer,
  • 47:30but that it's intentional, so.
  • 47:33And then, as I mentioned,
  • 47:35resources to help people.
  • 47:38Submit better grants.
  • 47:41Offer support through.
  • 47:42There are many gaps in funding that
  • 47:44happened along that trajectory.
  • 47:46We've addressed the first gap,
  • 47:48which is getting you to the K.
  • 47:50We can increase our kata.
  • 47:52Our conversion through these
  • 47:53things that I'm talking about,
  • 47:55but you're still going to have
  • 47:57some gaps and but you can.
  • 47:59You know that that oversight
  • 48:01of mentorship ensures that the
  • 48:03mentor and trainee happen.
  • 48:04Young faculty member.
  • 48:06Haven't lost.
  • 48:07Lost sight of the timeline, you know?
  • 48:09I mean, how many times does a?
  • 48:12The best mentor,
  • 48:13say Oh my God,
  • 48:14you're in your 4th year of your
  • 48:15K and we haven't started thinking
  • 48:17about your are you know and and
  • 48:19just having those things be a
  • 48:21little more systemized can help
  • 48:22people it it's it's so mundane
  • 48:24and yet it works quite well.
  • 48:31Tim Brown this is Mike Norco.
  • 48:34I wanted to ask you about the
  • 48:37changes that are going to occur
  • 48:40to the triennial leave process.
  • 48:42Understand that for
  • 48:44starting next academic year,
  • 48:46our faculty will likely experience
  • 48:48substantially reduced time
  • 48:50availability and I'm worried
  • 48:52that this will limit people's
  • 48:54abilities to enhance experiences
  • 48:56as well as to maintain or expand
  • 48:59their scholarly activities.
  • 49:01And this will
  • 49:02be particularly important for people who
  • 49:05are working toward academic promotion.
  • 49:06Could you please explain the changes in
  • 49:09the reasons that they're being made? Yeah,
  • 49:12there shouldn't be any changes.
  • 49:15There were changes, so there's a.
  • 49:20A residual funds that have just sat in
  • 49:23department's but not been able to be
  • 49:25touched by department's for many years.
  • 49:28And we centralized those in the summer.
  • 49:33But the until forever departments
  • 49:36have funded triennial's out of the
  • 49:40annual funds that come through taxes.
  • 49:43And this year we have more than we
  • 49:47predicted an increase in the request for
  • 49:51triennial's and sabbaticals based on our
  • 49:54modeling of what happened during Covid.
  • 49:58But we think we're hearing.
  • 50:00Some department's that it may
  • 50:02be even higher than that,
  • 50:04and so the concern that some Department
  • 50:06have had is that they will have.
  • 50:09A shortfall and what I have said
  • 50:13to Department's is track that
  • 50:16let us know look at.
  • 50:18Eligibility look at your need
  • 50:20to cover clinical practice,
  • 50:21which is always part of the.
  • 50:25Always part of the decision-making look to
  • 50:27make sure that people have adequate plans,
  • 50:29but then if you have a shortfall,
  • 50:31will work with you.
  • 50:32So we think there's a one time pressure
  • 50:35on trying isn't sabbaticals and we
  • 50:37will do what we need to help with that,
  • 50:40but we don't.
  • 50:40There's there's not been any
  • 50:42change to policy.
  • 50:54There's a question in the
  • 50:56chat from Matthew Goldenberg.
  • 51:01I think we got that one. Sorry it's OK.
  • 51:20Hi, this is Elise. I have a
  • 51:22question about. I appreciate
  • 51:25all the the plans to make it more clear
  • 51:28and transparent what the requirements
  • 51:30are for promotion and different tracks,
  • 51:33and I guess this is more of
  • 51:36as a question comment like.
  • 51:39I recommend you consider including
  • 51:43associate research scientists as a
  • 51:46default whenever you're in addition to.
  • 51:50Assistant Professor and up.
  • 51:52When you're kind of providing the
  • 51:55information about these tracks because.
  • 51:59And then there's sometimes
  • 52:00you can just sort of.
  • 52:05Um?
  • 52:08The this Department has a reputation
  • 52:11for people getting stuck. Certain.
  • 52:16Right, so it's the research scientist,
  • 52:18as in it makes it difficult,
  • 52:21Sittard independent provided so
  • 52:22the formal mentorship about moving
  • 52:25up the track can start as an
  • 52:27assistant professor and leave the
  • 52:29people that haven't transferred
  • 52:31over in a little bit of the dark.
  • 52:34And it can also.
  • 52:36I think there's also,
  • 52:37I think there are a lot
  • 52:39of positive things about.
  • 52:44You know every mentor I've
  • 52:46interacted with here is given me
  • 52:48great advice in a lot of time,
  • 52:50but there's a lot of fractionation of
  • 52:52the advice because it's so personalized,
  • 52:55so sometimes I talk to my colleagues
  • 52:57and we find that we are all being
  • 52:59told different things about what the
  • 53:02expectations are and what the standards are.
  • 53:04So if it were really centralized
  • 53:06and written concretely,
  • 53:07I think it would be easier for
  • 53:10people to take ownership of
  • 53:11their own direction and have it.
  • 53:14Be less dependent upon the directions,
  • 53:16instructions of their mentor.
  • 53:18And actually,
  • 53:19this was what I refer to about
  • 53:21work that we needed to start,
  • 53:23which is putting together a
  • 53:25task for us on this track,
  • 53:27and I think there were. He and I've.
  • 53:31Done that elsewhere and I think
  • 53:33there are two issues that.
  • 53:35Come to the four.
  • 53:38One is when there are differences
  • 53:41in understanding about the.
  • 53:43Career trajectory for the
  • 53:45for the track member.
  • 53:47So if a track Member believes he or
  • 53:50she is on a career trajectory to be
  • 53:54an independent investigator, but the.
  • 53:58Department doesn't,
  • 53:59that's a problem.
  • 54:01And then the second is for those who.
  • 54:04So I think the piece about how
  • 54:07do you move when you move.
  • 54:10And for those who stay on the track.
  • 54:15What is the defined career pathway?
  • 54:17What does success look like?
  • 54:19How do we make sure that people?
  • 54:22Can progress and move I think is
  • 54:25a second piece and so we are.
  • 54:29Linda Barkhamstead is working on
  • 54:31putting together a task force to
  • 54:33look at this in a little more detail.
  • 54:54Nancy Chris Pittenger again.
  • 54:56Another thing I was very happy to hear
  • 54:59you emphasize is trying to cultivate
  • 55:01cross departmental collaborations,
  • 55:03and I think this Department
  • 55:05has a great history of that.
  • 55:08With some Department child study,
  • 55:10genetics, psychology, neuroscience,
  • 55:11and there are other opportunities
  • 55:14that haven't been as well developed.
  • 55:16Neurology and Immunobiology spring
  • 55:17to mind where where they've been,
  • 55:20you know attempt,
  • 55:21but it's not as robust across
  • 55:24dependent departmental.
  • 55:25Collaboration and my impression is
  • 55:26that when those are successful,
  • 55:28it's often been because of individual
  • 55:29people who are sitting at the interface
  • 55:31and bridging, and that's great.
  • 55:33If those people come along.
  • 55:34If you can find them,
  • 55:35and if you can cultivate them.
  • 55:37But there's a certain amount of happenstance,
  • 55:39and whether that that happened,
  • 55:40so I wonder if you could speak
  • 55:42to what can be done.
  • 55:44Sort of structurally,
  • 55:44systemically to to make it
  • 55:46easier to build those bridges,
  • 55:47and in particular,
  • 55:48if you could speak to sort of
  • 55:50institutional and structural
  • 55:50issues that make it harder,
  • 55:52like the fact that you report to one
  • 55:54Department or another for promotion,
  • 55:56like the fact that the indirect
  • 55:57tend to go to one Department or.
  • 55:59Various in structural things that.
  • 56:02They tend to reinforce our silos even
  • 56:04when we want to break out of them,
  • 56:07yeah.
  • 56:08I think it's more.
  • 56:12Historical and cultural and and to be honest.
  • 56:19Financial, right? You know,
  • 56:20funds flow drives a lot of
  • 56:22decision-making. There are lots of.
  • 56:27I mean, I think every every academic
  • 56:29institution in the world attributes
  • 56:31grants to department's 'cause.
  • 56:32You just have to do it somehow, right? But?
  • 56:41But our incentives are
  • 56:44not currently aligned for.
  • 56:49Global success there,
  • 56:50there and that's a big change and
  • 56:52one that's threatening to people.
  • 56:53And we're not going to get there overnight.
  • 56:56But I think we can.
  • 56:58Start to show people that. Um?
  • 57:04Promoting things centrally.
  • 57:05There all boats rise when you
  • 57:08do that and you do it well.
  • 57:11And. Anne.
  • 57:18That's going to be the hardest.
  • 57:22Pull over the next couple of years and one
  • 57:24that we're going to work on really hard.
  • 57:57I'm thinking we're
  • 57:58we've asked our questions. OK.
  • 58:03Well, thank you and thanks for
  • 58:04all that you're doing and I look
  • 58:07forward to the next conversation.
  • 58:09Thank you for coming and
  • 58:11answering your questions.
  • 58:12Thank you very much. Thank you.