Treatment of Colorectal Cancer
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- 00:14Welcome to Yale Cancer Answers with
- 00:16your host doctor Anees Chagpar.
- 00:18Yale Cancer Answers features the
- 00:20latest information on cancer care by
- 00:22welcoming oncologists and specialists
- 00:24who are on the forefront of the
- 00:26battle to fight cancer. This week,
- 00:29it's a conversation about colorectal
- 00:30cancer with Doctor Michael Cecchini.
- 00:32Doctor Cecchini is an assistant
- 00:34professor of medicine and medical
- 00:36oncology at the Yale School of
- 00:38Medicine where Doctor Chagpar is
- 00:40a professor of surgical oncology.
- 00:43So Mike, maybe we can start
- 00:45off by you telling us a little
- 00:48bit about colorectal cancer.
- 00:50A little bit about the epidemiology.
- 00:52Who gets it? How common is it?
- 00:55How lethal is it?
- 00:56And then we'll get into some
- 00:58of the more recent updates with
- 01:00regards to screening of colorectal cancer.
- 01:03I am a gastrointestinal
- 01:05medical oncologist, and I see a variety
- 01:08of GI cancers, colorectal cancers and it is where
- 01:10I focus the majority of my research.
- 01:16It's quite common.
- 01:17There are about 150,000 cases diagnosed
- 01:19annually in the United States and
- 01:22more than 50,000 annual deaths.
- 01:25And I do think it needs to be stated
- 01:28that there is also a rise in incidence
- 01:31in adults less than age of 50.
- 01:34Although it is like many cancers,
- 01:36predominantly a cancer of older
- 01:37individuals, for some unclear reason,
- 01:39the incidence is actually rising
- 01:41in adults less than age of 50,
- 01:45while it is going down overall,
- 01:47due to effective screening by
- 01:50colonoscopy for adults over the
- 01:54age of 50.
- 02:03Patients with a personal history or
- 02:06family history of colorectal cancer are at
- 02:08increased risk for developing the disease.
- 02:11Personal history for large polyps etc.,
- 02:14certain polyps with certain characteristics
- 02:16increase the risk for colorectal cancer,
- 02:19but it is mostly sporadic,
- 02:20not familial.
- 02:21There are conditions like
- 02:23inflammatory bowel disease,
- 02:24prior radiation and then in rare
- 02:27circumstances inherited syndromes such as
- 02:29Lynch syndrome and something called FAP.
- 02:32Familial adenomatous polyposis syndrome.
- 02:34And other polyp syndromes.
- 02:36So when thinking about
- 02:38the fact that the majority
- 02:40of these are sporadic,
- 02:42are there any risk factors
- 02:44that people who don't have a family
- 02:47history should really be cognizant of?
- 02:50So I'm thinking here about
- 02:52things like you know,
- 02:54people often ask about smoking or alcohol,
- 02:57or smoked meats or other
- 02:59things that might increase their risk.
- 03:02So there
- 03:03isn't this clear association
- 03:05with some carcinogen,
- 03:06some cancer predisposing factor,
- 03:08like there is with lung cancer and smoking,
- 03:11for example.
- 03:13I'd say that the data is a bit mixed on
- 03:17how important certain risk factors are.
- 03:20Certainly things like obesity,
- 03:21diabetes and red or processed meats
- 03:23increase risk and
- 03:25they may affect the rate to some degree,
- 03:28but the data again isn't
- 03:31always consistent.
- 03:33The smoked meats issue is
- 03:35more thought to be related to
- 03:37gastric cancer or certainly seems
- 03:39to play a bit more of a role.
- 03:42Race also plays a role.
- 03:43African Americans have the highest
- 03:45colorectal cancer rates in the
- 03:47United States and mortality
- 03:48is also higher compared to
- 03:50other ethnic groups.
- 03:51So do we know why we see some
- 03:53of these epidemiologic trends?
- 03:55Why is it that more African
- 03:57Americans get colorectal cancer?
- 03:59Why is it that we're now seeing
- 04:01more colorectal cancer occurring in
- 04:03adults younger than the age of 50?
- 04:05What are the factors in
- 04:07these particular populations
- 04:08that's increasing their risk?
- 04:09The short
- 04:10answer would be we don't know,
- 04:11and where there's a tremendous
- 04:14effort in trying to understand some of
- 04:16the risk factor and some of
- 04:19the reasons for the increased risk in
- 04:21the groups that you just articulated.
- 04:24Interesting and to get back
- 04:26to the younger age group.
- 04:27It's not just that the incidence
- 04:29has been static in that group,
- 04:31it's increasing and so we do
- 04:33think that it has some lifestyle factors,
- 04:35perhaps diet is a factor that is
- 04:37playing a role here,
- 04:38but we really don't know,
- 04:40and there's a tremendous area of
- 04:44research to try and understand why these incidences
- 04:46are increasing in the young adults.
- 04:48But we don't know.
- 04:50And so as we see more incidence
- 04:52in younger people, one of the
- 04:55questions that might come up is,
- 04:58you know historically,
- 04:59and I know that the screening guidelines
- 05:02have recently changed to include
- 05:04younger people in terms of routine
- 05:06screening for asymptomatic people.
- 05:08But when we think about the fact that
- 05:11over the last several several years,
- 05:14we're starting to see more
- 05:16colon cancer in younger people,
- 05:18how is it that they present because
- 05:21they wouldn't have presented on a
- 05:23routine asymptomatic colonoscopy,
- 05:25presumably because historically the
- 05:27guidelines had recommended starting
- 05:29colorectal screening at the age of 50.
- 05:31So how are we picking up these cancers in
- 05:34younger people?
- 05:36Unfortunately, it's the last thing
- 05:38on many caregivers minds,
- 05:39medical professionals minds that
- 05:42somebody symptoms would be related to
- 05:45colon cancer if they are a younger adult.
- 05:47But the majority of patients, about
- 05:503/4 of patients ,will have some
- 05:52nonspecific change in their bowel habits.
- 05:58Half will have bleeding.
- 05:59There's a palpable rectal mass
- 06:01in about 1/4 of patients,
- 06:03and iron deficency, or anemia isn't actually
- 06:05a sensitive as you might think.
- 06:07It's fewer than 20% of patients,
- 06:10especially young adults that
- 06:12would present with iron deficiency anemia.
- 06:14So unfortunately,
- 06:15I have numerous patients in my
- 06:17practice that had some lower GI
- 06:20bleeding that was attributed to
- 06:22hemorrhoids and incidence wise.
- 06:29Individuals should also
- 06:30listen to their bodies,
- 06:31and if something's not right,
- 06:33change in bowel habits,
- 06:34bleeding,
- 06:34they should take
- 06:35those very seriously,
- 06:36even if they're younger.
- 06:38Is it the case that,
- 06:39as we've seen this increasing
- 06:41incidence in younger people because
- 06:43they are presenting with symptoms?
- 06:45Presumably because screening was
- 06:46not recommended for
- 06:48people who were younger than age 50?
- 06:50Is it the case that these
- 06:51younger people that we were
- 06:53seeing colorectal cancers in
- 06:55were actually presenting
- 06:56with a higher stage,
- 06:58and what implications does
- 07:00that have for prognosis?
- 07:02Yeah, that's completely correct.
- 07:04Unfortunately, when you have a disease
- 07:07that is presenting because symptoms
- 07:09develop instead of asymptomatic screening,
- 07:11generally this stage is higher,
- 07:13so these younger adults generally
- 07:15are diagnosed at a more advanced
- 07:17stage and sometimes have even
- 07:20more aggressive biology overall.
- 07:22So again, the stage is going to be higher.
- 07:25The younger adult population tends
- 07:27to do better than the older adult
- 07:30population for when you're matching them
- 07:33by stage, because they can probably
- 07:35withstand treatment better but they
- 07:38are diagnosed at a more advanced stage
- 07:40then the patients that are
- 07:43diagnosed by asymptomatic screening and
- 07:46so now the American Cancer Society has
- 07:48come out and said that they recommend
- 07:52starting screening at the age of 45.
- 07:55Can you tell us more about
- 07:57their recommendations?
- 07:59Absolutely.
- 08:01The American College of Gastroenterology
- 08:03initially recommended
- 08:05dropping the screening age to
- 08:0745 for adults at average risk,
- 08:10but the most widely followed
- 08:12guidelines are actually the US
- 08:14preventative Task Force guidelines,
- 08:16which the majority of primary
- 08:18care physicians follow,
- 08:20and they did change their
- 08:22recommendation about a year or two ago
- 08:26to propose a Grade B recommendation
- 08:28for adults over the age of 45.
- 08:31But they still kept the greater
- 08:34recommendation for adults over the age of 50.
- 08:36But just yesterday this was
- 08:38updated and now for all adults,
- 08:40they've listed a strong recommendation
- 08:41for adults over the age of 45,
- 08:43so I think now going forward that's really
- 08:46going to be the age we start screening
- 08:49almost all asymptomatic adults.
- 08:57Colonoscopy is a very powerful screening procedure,
- 08:58not only because they can diagnose
- 09:01a cancer that's there and then we
- 09:03can deal with surgery
- 09:05or chemo as necessary,
- 09:07but they also remove
- 09:09premalignant conditions.
- 09:09So they are helping prevent
- 09:12the development of colorectal
- 09:13cancer even down the road.
- 09:15And there are
- 09:18so many screening tests now
- 09:20are recommended or that at
- 09:22least individuals could consider.
- 09:24So colonoscopy is often thought
- 09:26of as the gold standard,
- 09:27but some of these other tests
- 09:29seem to be really quite easy.
- 09:32Tell us a little bit about the
- 09:34different tests and the advantages
- 09:36and disadvantages of each.
- 09:37What do you recommend for patients
- 09:40who come to you and say,
- 09:43I heard about the updated guidelines,
- 09:45I'm now 45. What test should I have?
- 09:49I can comment a little bit there.
- 09:51It's not exactly my area.
- 09:53Unfortunately,
- 09:53the majority of patients I see have
- 09:55already been diagnosed with cancer,
- 09:57but absolutely colonoscopy is
- 09:57still the gold standard,
- 09:59so that would be my kind of
- 10:01blanket recommendation. For those
- 10:02that aren't ready to do that,
- 10:04but are interested in doing some screening,
- 10:08there are test for fecal occult blood,
- 10:11so for small amounts of undetectable
- 10:12blood and
- 10:14that's an imperfect way to
- 10:16assess whether or not there's a
- 10:19cancerous or precancerous condition.
- 10:20Again, the colonoscopy offers the
- 10:22power to remove precancerous lesions,
- 10:23which probably are not doing
- 10:25much at that point in time,
- 10:27but maybe missed by a test
- 10:29we're trying to detect small
- 10:31amounts of blood in the stool.
- 10:33There are also tests that actually try
- 10:36to detect DNA in in the stool, and
- 10:38that may be a more sensitive way,
- 10:42but also we're not removing anything
- 10:44premalignant with that we have
- 10:46yet to develop a blood based test
- 10:48that's diagnosing cancer before
- 10:50it develops, or at an early stage.
- 10:52So there are companies that
- 10:54are working on that,
- 10:55but we have a ways to go,
- 10:58but most of these patients are seen
- 11:00by my colleagues in Gastroenterology
- 11:03for their screening discussions and
- 11:08they are able to give some more eloquent answers
- 11:10on that
- 11:11than I am.
- 11:13Mike, the other question, and this might
- 11:15be a tough question as well,
- 11:17is why the magic number of 45?
- 11:20I mean, if we're seeing patients with
- 11:23younger colon cancers, why is it 45?
- 11:25Why not 40 or 42 or 38?
- 11:28How do people come up with
- 11:30these numbers as to at what age
- 11:33people should start screening?
- 11:36That's a great question and
- 11:37somebody asked the same question just last night.
- 11:45And I feel
- 11:47that same sentiment as well.
- 11:51I think that this is a first step and we
- 11:54may be recommending 40 in a few years,
- 11:56but we'll have to see how the data and
- 11:58the number needed to treat the
- 12:01number of colonoscopies done to really
- 12:03prevent one colorectal cancer holds up
- 12:04over time at these younger age groups.
- 12:07There's also
- 12:09as you know,
- 12:10I think different opinions on
- 12:12the age of of mammography as well.
- 12:15But again,
- 12:16getting back to the time it takes
- 12:19for colorectal cancer to develop in
- 12:22general somewhere on the order of a decade,
- 12:26I think by lowering the age to 40
- 12:28we're really capturing that group.
- 12:30If we were to lower the age of 40
- 12:32we're really capturing that group
- 12:34in the 45 to 50 range versus right
- 12:37now with this age of 45.
- 12:39Or probably
- 12:41we're helping prevent higher
- 12:42incidence in that 50 to 45 range.
- 12:45But as we started out the discussion
- 12:47really less than 50 is still seeing
- 12:49an increased incidence of colon cancer.
- 12:51So I think this is a moving target and
- 12:54we will benefit over time
- 12:57lowering the age,
- 12:58and I certainly, unfortunately,
- 13:00see patients in my practice below the
- 13:02age of 40 and 30 sometimes.
- 13:05Certainly it's going to be a
- 13:08moving target that we will follow,
- 13:10but for right now we're going to take
- 13:13a short break for a medical minute.
- 13:15Please stay tuned to learn
- 13:17more about the treatment of
- 13:19colorectal cancer with my guest doctor
- 13:21Michael Cecchini.
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- 14:15Welcome
- 14:16back to Yale Cancer Answers.
- 14:18This is doctor Anees Chagpar
- 14:20and I'm joined tonight by my
- 14:22guest doctor Michael Cecchini.
- 14:24We're talking about the treatment
- 14:26of colorectal cancer and Mike right
- 14:28before the break we were talking about
- 14:30the new updated screening guidelines,
- 14:33which now are recommending
- 14:34screening for colorectal cancer
- 14:36going back to the age of 45.
- 14:39One last question with regards
- 14:40to screening, before the break,
- 14:42you had mentioned that there
- 14:44are certain racial groups,
- 14:46for example, African Americans
- 14:49that tend to be diagnosed at a higher frequency,
- 14:52tend to have a worse prognosis
- 14:55than their Caucasian counterparts.
- 14:56So are the screening guidelines any
- 14:59different for African Americans
- 15:01versus Caucasian
- 15:02patients?
- 15:03There are slightly different recommendations
- 15:13Just as of yesterday the
- 15:15US preventive taskforce has
- 15:17changed it 45 and above for all
- 15:18adults and so I think there
- 15:20were some high risk groups
- 15:22including African Americans that were
- 15:23recommended 45 and above previously.
- 15:25But now it's just everybody 45.
- 15:28One wonders whether they will,
- 15:30as we were talking about before the
- 15:32break and edging even earlier,
- 15:35whether they would make that now
- 15:38a new age for higher risk groups.
- 15:41But I want to switch gears now and
- 15:43talk a little bit about what happens
- 15:46to patients after they have been
- 15:48diagnosed with colorectal cancer.
- 15:50So somebody goes and they get
- 15:53their colonoscopy and you know,
- 15:55we talked about colonoscopy being a
- 15:57great modality that can actually
- 15:59find premalignant lesions and remove them.
- 16:01But let's suppose on colonoscopy
- 16:03a patient is found to actually
- 16:06have an invasive cancer.
- 16:08Tell us a little bit more about
- 16:10how the treatment really works
- 16:12in terms of managing patients
- 16:14with colorectal cancer.
- 16:16Absolutely so it's a very
- 16:18multidisciplinary effort,
- 16:19meaning there's numerous care
- 16:21providers that are involved in
- 16:23navigating somebody through a
- 16:24diagnosis of colorectal cancer.
- 16:26There's myself as a medical oncologist,
- 16:29there are our surgical colleagues.
- 16:31There's our pathologists, radiologists,
- 16:33our radiation oncologists.
- 16:35Our nutritionists, social workers,
- 16:37everybody really involved here,
- 16:38so the first step to really
- 16:40know how we're going to treat
- 16:42somebody's cancer is the stage.
- 16:44So that's not unique to colorectal
- 16:46cancer, it is very common in cancer.
- 16:48The stage will help dictate
- 16:50what the care is going to be.
- 16:54Stage 1,2,3 and four is how we stage
- 16:56the cancer and I could probably spend
- 16:59hours talking about all of this.
- 17:01But stage one is basically a small
- 17:03cancer that's barely invaded
- 17:04into the wall of the colon.
- 17:06If we think of the colon as a tube,
- 17:09it's barely in.
- 17:10It starts on the inner part of that tube.
- 17:13It's barely invaded through the wall,
- 17:17and a tumor like that is just excised by surgery.
- 17:19They may never even see me as a
- 17:22medical oncologist because surgery
- 17:23is curative in the majority of cases.
- 17:25A stage two cancer has gone a
- 17:27little bit further into that wall,
- 17:29but hasn't spread to any lymph nodes.
- 17:31Those patients will see a medical
- 17:33oncologist and it
- 17:35will be discussed whether or not
- 17:37they get chemotherapy after surgery to
- 17:39increase their cure rate and eradicate small
- 17:41amounts of possible residual disease
- 17:42based on risk factors.
- 17:44Stage three cancer means it's gone
- 17:46to the lymph nodes,
- 17:47so it's behaving a bit
- 17:50more aggressively so a patient
- 17:51with an invasive mass, a colonoscopy is done.
- 17:53A surgery is done,
- 17:55lymph nodes are removed at
- 17:56the time of surgery
- 17:58in addition to the tumor if
- 18:00there's cancer in the lymph nodes.
- 18:02So if it's a stage three cancer,
- 18:04all of those patients are going
- 18:06to see a medical oncologist.
- 18:08And almost universally,
- 18:09as long as they're healthy afterwards,
- 18:11will get chemotherapy to hopefully increase
- 18:13their care.
- 18:15Like with many other cancers,
- 18:16stage 4 means it's spread more distantly,
- 18:18so cancer that started in the colon
- 18:20spread to the liver, the lung,
- 18:22the lining of the abdomen,
- 18:24which we call the peritoneum,
- 18:26would make a cancer stage four.
- 18:29One of those spots would make
- 18:31a cancer stage four,
- 18:32and there still may be a role for surgery.
- 18:37But chemotherapy is generally.
- 18:38Generally, where we will start,
- 18:40we think of it as a systemic disease
- 18:43throughout the body,
- 18:44and chemotherapy works throughout the body.
- 18:46When it's working in those stage
- 18:48four cancers, though, there's
- 18:49a lot that we need to know to
- 18:52personalize the therapy for the cancers.
- 18:54We do a lot of tests in the lab
- 18:57and to characterize the cancer,
- 18:59is it mismatch, repair, deficient or not?
- 19:01Are there mutations in genes
- 19:03called RAFS or not?
- 19:04And they tell us how we tweak the chemo,
- 19:07or maybe even offer immunotherapy
- 19:09to the patients, and then again,
- 19:11we will sometimes consider surgery to
- 19:14remove distant metastases in select cases,
- 19:16and that's why it's so important
- 19:18to have a multi disciplinary team.
- 19:21So a true team involved in
- 19:23the care of these patients,
- 19:25even with stage four disease and all
- 19:28of these cases are reviewed at our
- 19:31tumor board with that whole team,
- 19:33I articulate how best
- 19:36to approach somebody's care in
- 19:38terms of these molecular genetics.
- 19:40The RAF mutations,
- 19:42the mismatch repair
- 19:43mutations you mentioned those in terms
- 19:45of tweaking chemotherapy for stage four,
- 19:48are those also used in
- 19:50kind of tailoring therapy
- 19:52for people with earlier stage disease?
- 19:55If I could only know a couple
- 19:57things about the molecular
- 19:58characteristics of somebody's tumor,
- 20:00it would be the mismatch repair status,
- 20:03which is also sometimes called the
- 20:05microsatellite status or their
- 20:07RAF status.
- 20:09So in localized disease,
- 20:11the mismatch repair status is very important.
- 20:14The RAF and the RAF status
- 20:16is not so important,
- 20:18so we often only send the latter
- 20:20component for metastatic disease.
- 20:22But for localized cancer mismatch repair,
- 20:24deficient, or microsatellite instability
- 20:26high cancers generally have
- 20:28a more favorable prognosis,
- 20:30and sometimes we will take that
- 20:31information and say you don't even
- 20:33need chemotherapy after surgery
- 20:35because of this
- 20:37finding of mismatch repair deficiency
- 20:40or microsatellite instability
- 20:41and it's less likely to come back
- 20:44and therefore you don't need chemotherapy.
- 20:46There's a lot of other factors
- 20:48that come into play there,
- 20:50so I don't want to say that all mismatch
- 20:52repair division microsatellite instability
- 20:54high tumors don't need
- 20:55chemotherapy after surgery,
- 20:56but it's generally thought to
- 20:57be a good prognosis.
- 20:59And we know from metastatic disease,
- 21:00those tumors are much more
- 21:02sensitive to immunotherapy.
- 21:03Some of the most sensitive cancers
- 21:05that there are in fact to immunotherapy,
- 21:07and it's being investigated whether
- 21:08or not immunotherapy is going to
- 21:10increase cure rates in that population.
- 21:12And we have some of those
- 21:14clinical trials going on.
- 21:15That brings me to the next question,
- 21:17which is about clinical trials.
- 21:19Colorectal cancer has been around
- 21:21for a long time and is one of
- 21:24the leading cancers
- 21:27affecting both men and women,
- 21:29and so presumably there are some
- 21:31pretty standard regimens in terms of
- 21:33chemotherapy that we offer these patients.
- 21:35So tell us a little bit about when
- 21:38you offer people a standard regimen,
- 21:41and when you offer them a
- 21:43clinical trial?
- 21:45Clinical trials play a tremendous role in the management
- 21:48of a disease like colorectal cancer.
- 21:50And are really how we move the field
- 21:53forward and we've doubled and tripled the
- 21:55survival rate especially for metastatic
- 21:57disease over the last few decades.
- 22:00And that's because clinical trials
- 22:01brought new agents and drugs and
- 22:04treatment approaches into the fold and the
- 22:06treatments we have for metastatic disease,
- 22:08we use some of them again
- 22:10after surgery we use drugs, and
- 22:12we like our acronyms or abbreviations so we
- 22:15we have a regimen we call folfox which is 5FU,
- 22:18and oxaliplatin and a
- 22:20vitamin called leucovorin.
- 22:21It's really two chemo drugs together and we have
- 22:23another chemo regimen called FOLFIRI.
- 22:28so again two chemo drugs together just a
- 22:30second one instead of the oxaliplatin,
- 22:33and that's really the backbone of our care,
- 22:36and we can usually control a metastatic
- 22:38colorectal cancer patient for years
- 22:40with those two regimens together,
- 22:42but at some point we run out of
- 22:45mileage with those agents,
- 22:46resistance develops,
- 22:47tolerability becomes an issue,
- 22:49something that necessitates us
- 22:50moving on from those regimens.
- 22:52And we really don't have great
- 22:54agents after that,
- 22:55so I'm often thinking about clinical trials,
- 22:57novel clinical trials after those
- 22:59regimens have stopped working,
- 23:01but I am often thinking about clinical
- 23:03trials even initially where those
- 23:07agents will be added on,
- 23:09or different treatment approaches
- 23:11will be added onto those chemo drugs,
- 23:13so they are good chemo backbones.
- 23:15We can do better and we are
- 23:18investigating numerous ways,
- 23:19adding an immunotherapy, new targeted drugs,
- 23:21new chemo drugs to those regimens.
- 23:23But we're also investigating
- 23:25completely new regimens in the
- 23:263rd and the 4th line setting.
- 23:29There are third and fourth line
- 23:31drugs available for patients
- 23:32with colorectal cancer,
- 23:33and there's a drug called task 102.
- 23:38But the effect of those is marginal
- 23:41compared to those
- 23:42other therapies that I mentioned.
- 23:44It sounds like clinical
- 23:47trials have two kind of roles.
- 23:49One is after our standard tried and
- 23:52true regiment have failed and
- 23:53And we're looking for the best thing that might
- 23:58help and move us further afield.
- 24:00And the other is in investigating novel
- 24:02therapies and straight out of the box.
- 24:04Is that right?
- 24:05Yeah, that's
- 24:06definitely right.
- 24:08These treatments like folfox and folfiri
- 24:10have doubled and tripled the survival rate.
- 24:12But we can still do better than that.
- 24:15But they are the standard of care,
- 24:17and since they are so effective,
- 24:19we add on to those and we should add
- 24:21on to those so that patients get the
- 24:24best treatment available to them.
- 24:25When we've moved on to our
- 24:27third and our first fourth line,
- 24:29treatments is task one or two
- 24:33and start chemo pills.
- 24:34There is not a great alternative.
- 24:36They are not tolerated super
- 24:38well and their time
- 24:40with Disease Control is not
- 24:41not as good as we would like,
- 24:44so that is a time that we try a
- 24:46more novel approach generally.
- 24:49So tell us a little bit more about
- 24:52your research and some of the
- 24:55things that you're particularly
- 24:57excited about in this field.
- 24:59I guess maybe I'll start by
- 25:02talking about some of the things
- 25:04I'm excited about more broadly,
- 25:06and one area that I think has garnered a lot
- 25:09of attention lately for colorectal cancer
- 25:12is something called circulating tumor DNA,
- 25:15where we can detect minimal
- 25:17amounts of circulating tumor DNA
- 25:19in the bloodstream after a surgery.
- 25:22So, for example, patients with stage two
- 25:26colorectal cancer that happens to have
- 25:30a blood test done that
- 25:32circulating tumor DNA is detected.
- 25:34Now we know that that patient is probably
- 25:37going to relapse if we don't do anything
- 25:41besides observation,
- 25:42so we can use a tool like that
- 25:44to decide who's high risk,
- 25:46who's low risk and that gives
- 25:47us opportunities to intensify
- 25:49and deintensify treatment.
- 25:50So trying to increase cure rates
- 25:51for those that are high risk but
- 25:53also knowing when somebody is
- 25:55going to do well and maybe avoid
- 25:57circumstances of over treatment.
- 25:58So that's something as a field
- 26:00I think we're learning
- 26:02how to use these tests.
- 26:03We know they correlate really well with
- 26:05whether or not the cancer is going to come
- 26:08back when you're only doing observation,
- 26:10but we don't know how well it
- 26:12predicts for benefit from chemo
- 26:13and most our studies are ongoing.
- 26:16We have some of those studies
- 26:18ongoing here at Yale.
- 26:20I also have
- 26:23a busy clinical practice and
- 26:25research program studying more novel
- 26:26therapies in colorectal cancer.
- 26:28So we have different types of
- 26:31trials we develop here at Yale.
- 26:33We have trials where we call them
- 26:36industry sponsored trials where we
- 26:38have worked with a company who's
- 26:41developed a drug and opened their
- 26:43trial that they came up with
- 26:47maybe with some input than us from us,
- 26:50but we've had a little bit less
- 26:53involvement, perhaps in a trial like that,
- 26:56and designing the trial,
- 26:57and in analyzing the data so those
- 27:00are industry sponsored
- 27:02trials that we have here.
- 27:04But we also have a robust program of
- 27:07investigator initiated trials here,
- 27:08and I have a couple open and one
- 27:11specifically in that third line,
- 27:13colorectal cancer Group, for example.
- 27:15This is a trial where we've come
- 27:17up with the idea,
- 27:19and maybe we've written a grant or
- 27:22we've partnered with a drug company to
- 27:24tell them in a way that we think that
- 27:27we could look at a new subtype of cancer,
- 27:30or a new way to look at
- 27:34their drug to leverage that and
- 27:36for patients with that disease,
- 27:38so I have an investigator initiated trial
- 27:40for colorectal cancer that is received
- 27:42two different types of chemotherapy,
- 27:44where we look for a marker called MGMT.
- 27:47So we basically meet a patient,
- 27:50if they are potential candidate we will
- 27:52test their tumor for this marker,
- 27:54and if they have this marker
- 27:56which ends up being about 40% of
- 27:58patients if they have this marker,
- 28:00we will then offer them enrollment
- 28:02in a clinical trial.
- 28:08So we basically identify this subgroup
- 28:11of colorectal cancer and then we had this
- 28:13trial that we came up with here at Yale.
- 28:15And we're also studying the
- 28:17outcome of patients with this to make
- 28:19sure that we're actually helping people,
- 28:21but also studying the science to develop
- 28:23the next generation of trials which,
- 28:25in my opinion will be leveraging the immune
- 28:27system to make it work for the majority
- 28:30of patients with colorectal cancer
- 28:31as my colleagues in lung cancer and Melanoma
- 28:34have been doing for the last decade.
- 28:37Doctor Michael Cecchini is an assistant
- 28:39professor of medicine and medical
- 28:41oncology at the Yale School of Medicine.
- 28:43If you have questions,
- 28:45the address is canceranswers@yale.edu
- 28:46and past editions of the program
- 28:48are available in audio and written
- 28:50form at yalecancercenter.org.
- 28:52We hope you'll join us next week to
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- 28:57cancer here on Connecticut Public Radio.