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Flourishing families – Exploring the correlates, causes, and consequences of parents' well-being

October 30, 2024

YCSC Grand Rounds October 29, 2024

Katherine Nelson-Coffey, PhD
Associate Professor of Psychology, Arizona State University

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12285

Transcript

  • 00:00Just a couple of brief
  • 00:01announcements before we get started
  • 00:03today.
  • 00:04I just wanted to remind
  • 00:05you, next week is a
  • 00:06jam packed week for Grand
  • 00:07Rounds. We actually have not
  • 00:08one but two Grand Rounds
  • 00:10sessions
  • 00:11next week. So we'll be
  • 00:12hearing from Jack Turban,
  • 00:14next Tuesday from one to
  • 00:16two PM from UCSF. They'll
  • 00:18be talking about supporting gender
  • 00:19diverse youth across development.
  • 00:22So that will be in
  • 00:22our regularly scheduled Grand Rounds
  • 00:25session. And then we'll have
  • 00:27Patrick Lycan coming to us
  • 00:28from the University of Leuven
  • 00:29and, University College London, who
  • 00:31will be talking about mentalizing
  • 00:33based
  • 00:34treatments for borderline personality
  • 00:36disorder. And that will be
  • 00:38on Wednesday afternoon at three
  • 00:40PM in, three fifty George
  • 00:43in room three zero five
  • 00:44b. So that's room three
  • 00:45zero five b in three
  • 00:47fifty George. It's a lot
  • 00:48of threes.
  • 00:49So two special grand rounds
  • 00:51next week, and I do
  • 00:52hope you'll be able to
  • 00:53join us in person for
  • 00:54for both of those.
  • 00:56And with that, I'd like
  • 00:57to pass you over to
  • 00:58doctor Rutherford to introduce our
  • 00:59speaker for today.
  • 01:04Hey. Good afternoon, everybody. I'm
  • 01:07delighted and honored to introduce
  • 01:08our speaker today, doctor Catherine
  • 01:10Nelson Coffey. Doctor. Nelson Coffey
  • 01:12is an associate professor of
  • 01:13psychology at Arizona state university,
  • 01:16and she also has an
  • 01:17adjunct appointment here in the
  • 01:18child study center.
  • 01:20She was also one of
  • 01:21the first Anur Gazell visiting
  • 01:22scholars in parent and child
  • 01:23development when she came to
  • 01:25the child study center for
  • 01:26her Zepatica in twenty twenty
  • 01:28just before Yale and the
  • 01:29rest of the world closed
  • 01:30down for COVID.
  • 01:31Nevertheless, it was a really
  • 01:33productive visit while she was
  • 01:34here, and we were excited
  • 01:35that we were able to
  • 01:36write a grant during that
  • 01:37period, that we are now
  • 01:39in recipients of. And so
  • 01:40we have a two site
  • 01:41study between ASU and Yale
  • 01:43Charles City Center looking at
  • 01:44social connectedness during the transition
  • 01:46to parenthood.
  • 01:47And I just wanted to
  • 01:48say that I've, in addition
  • 01:49to the formal introduction, I
  • 01:51wanted to highlight I've learned
  • 01:52so much from doctor Nelson
  • 01:53Coffey, both as an academic
  • 01:54and scholar as well as
  • 01:55a person, and I'm very
  • 01:56excited for you to all
  • 01:57learn from her today. So
  • 01:58please help me in welcoming
  • 02:00doctor Nelson Coffey.
  • 02:06Thank you so much for
  • 02:07that kind introduction, and thanks
  • 02:09to all of you for
  • 02:10being here today. I'm really
  • 02:11excited to share with you
  • 02:12some of the work that
  • 02:13I've been doing over the
  • 02:15last several years about parents'
  • 02:17well-being.
  • 02:18But before I get started,
  • 02:19I think it's important to
  • 02:20acknowledge that just as it
  • 02:22takes a village to raise
  • 02:23a child, I feel that
  • 02:24sometimes it takes a village
  • 02:25to raise a researcher.
  • 02:27I'd like to thank the
  • 02:28many colleagues and collaborators
  • 02:30who have contributed to the
  • 02:31work that I'll be presenting
  • 02:33today.
  • 02:34Here I have my lab
  • 02:35at ASU,
  • 02:36as well as the institutions
  • 02:38that have funded and supported
  • 02:40some of this work.
  • 02:42Raising children can be stressful.
  • 02:45From
  • 02:46navigating
  • 02:47toddlers tantrums,
  • 02:49challenging homework battles,
  • 02:52and
  • 02:53conflict during adolescence.
  • 02:55Parents navigate a wide variety
  • 02:57of stressors that change over
  • 02:59the course
  • 03:00of the lifespan.
  • 03:02In fact, recently, the US
  • 03:03Surgeon General published a report
  • 03:05to call attention to parental
  • 03:07stress, mental health, and well-being.
  • 03:10This report included an alarming
  • 03:11statistic
  • 03:12indicating that forty eight percent
  • 03:14of parents
  • 03:15say that most days their
  • 03:16stress is completely overwhelming.
  • 03:19And this is important because
  • 03:21parents
  • 03:22and children's well-being are inherently
  • 03:24intertwined.
  • 03:26Parent mental illness is among
  • 03:28the most common adverse childhood
  • 03:29experiences,
  • 03:30which we know confer significant
  • 03:32risk across the lifespan.
  • 03:34And parents' abilities to navigate
  • 03:37this stress and bring the
  • 03:38best versions of themselves to
  • 03:39their interactions with their children
  • 03:42has
  • 03:42really important implications for child
  • 03:44development.
  • 03:45And so for these reasons,
  • 03:47improving caregiver well-being has been
  • 03:49highlighted as one of the
  • 03:51most important methods
  • 03:53of promoting
  • 03:54child development.
  • 03:56I've been investigating the correlates,
  • 03:58causes, and consequences
  • 03:59of parents' well-being for more
  • 04:01than a decade, and today
  • 04:03I'm really excited to share
  • 04:04with you some of what
  • 04:05we have learned from these
  • 04:06studies.
  • 04:08I'll be approaching this talk
  • 04:10across three broad questions that
  • 04:12have guided a lot of
  • 04:13my research in this area.
  • 04:17First, we will,
  • 04:18address the question of what
  • 04:19is the association
  • 04:21between parenthood and well-being.
  • 04:23Second,
  • 04:24we'll ask why are some
  • 04:26parents more or less happy
  • 04:28than others.
  • 04:29And third, we'll consider some
  • 04:31strategies and benefits of enhancing
  • 04:33parents' happiness.
  • 04:36As I began
  • 04:37exploring the association between parenthood
  • 04:39and well-being, I started with
  • 04:41this very simple question.
  • 04:43Sorry. I don't know why
  • 04:43that's repeating.
  • 04:46And,
  • 04:47but before we dig into
  • 04:49that, I'd like to take
  • 04:50a step back and consider
  • 04:52what do I mean exactly
  • 04:53when I talk about happiness
  • 04:55or well-being.
  • 04:56The primary outcome in the
  • 04:58majority of my studies is
  • 04:59subjective well-being, and this is
  • 05:01a term that I use
  • 05:02interchangeably
  • 05:03with happiness.
  • 05:04Subjective well-being includes three main
  • 05:06components. The first is hot
  • 05:08life satisfaction,
  • 05:09which is considered the cognitive
  • 05:10component of well-being or how
  • 05:12a person is evaluating their
  • 05:14life. Overall.
  • 05:16The second is the experience
  • 05:17of frequent positive emotions, such
  • 05:19as
  • 05:20gratitude,
  • 05:20joy, or contentment.
  • 05:22And third is the experience
  • 05:24of infrequent negative emotions, such
  • 05:26as sadness,
  • 05:27frustration, or guilt.
  • 05:29And so by this definition
  • 05:30of subjective well-being, a happy
  • 05:32person would consider their life
  • 05:33to be going well overall,
  • 05:36they would experience frequent positive
  • 05:38emotions in their daily life
  • 05:40and infrequent
  • 05:41negative emotions.
  • 05:43As a compliment to happiness.
  • 05:45I also include other aspects
  • 05:46of well-being in my research.
  • 05:48For example, I often include
  • 05:49measures of meaning in life,
  • 05:51which also includes three components.
  • 05:53There must be something about
  • 05:55threes.
  • 05:56And the first is a
  • 05:57sense of coherence or the
  • 05:59feeling that life makes sense.
  • 06:01The second is a sense
  • 06:01of purpose, which is related
  • 06:03to having goal directed actions
  • 06:05and pursuing important and meaningful
  • 06:07goals.
  • 06:08And the third is a
  • 06:09sense of significance or the
  • 06:10extent to which people believe
  • 06:12that their life has value
  • 06:13worth and important.
  • 06:16A note about meaning in
  • 06:17life is that often when
  • 06:19we hear people talk about
  • 06:20meaning in life colloquially,
  • 06:22we hear people say things
  • 06:24that specific parts of their
  • 06:25life, such as their children
  • 06:27or their work are their
  • 06:28meaning or their purpose.
  • 06:30But the approach to meaning
  • 06:32in life that I and
  • 06:33others use in research focuses
  • 06:35more on meaning in life
  • 06:36as a feeling that someone
  • 06:38has
  • 06:39about their life, more about
  • 06:40how they feel in their
  • 06:42life than about a specific
  • 06:44activity or goal or,
  • 06:46focus.
  • 06:49I would also note that
  • 06:51I look at subjective well-being
  • 06:52and meaning in life as
  • 06:54compliments to mental health. So
  • 06:56in many of my studies,
  • 06:57I also include measures of
  • 06:59mental health symptoms, such as
  • 07:01depressive symptoms or anxiety symptoms.
  • 07:03And I think of this
  • 07:04as providing a holistic perspective
  • 07:07of mental health and well-being
  • 07:09indicating that to be truly
  • 07:11well, we are not simply
  • 07:13absent of mental illness, but
  • 07:14we are also experiencing these
  • 07:16positive indicators of well-being.
  • 07:20So in trying to understand
  • 07:22parents' well-being,
  • 07:23I started with a very
  • 07:24simple question. What is the
  • 07:26association
  • 07:27between parenthood and well-being?
  • 07:30And as I began
  • 07:31digging into this literature,
  • 07:33trying to find what existing
  • 07:35studies
  • 07:36indicated in this area,
  • 07:38I came across what I've
  • 07:40come to term the parenthood
  • 07:42paradox.
  • 07:43And
  • 07:44this is based on prior
  • 07:46literature demonstrating
  • 07:47that relative to people without
  • 07:49children, parents reported
  • 07:51more depression,
  • 07:53less positive affect and more
  • 07:55negative affect
  • 07:56and lower relationship satisfaction.
  • 07:59Yet at the same time,
  • 08:00they also reported
  • 08:02more meaning, gratification and reward
  • 08:05as well as greater happiness.
  • 08:07And after looking at this
  • 08:09literature, I became really intrigued
  • 08:10by these findings and wondered
  • 08:12to myself, how could it
  • 08:13be that parents are reporting
  • 08:16both more depression
  • 08:18and more happiness?
  • 08:21And it became really difficult
  • 08:22to compare
  • 08:23across studies
  • 08:25and reach a bottom line
  • 08:26because every study seemed to
  • 08:28use its own methodological
  • 08:30approach, its own unique sample,
  • 08:31different statistical methods, different covariates
  • 08:35of like wide variety of
  • 08:36differences
  • 08:37across
  • 08:38these studies, making it difficult
  • 08:40to understand
  • 08:41what's what and who's who.
  • 08:43And so like any good
  • 08:45researcher, I decided to conduct
  • 08:47some studies of my own.
  • 08:49And so we started with,
  • 08:51some simple questions. Okay. But
  • 08:54using multiple methodologies
  • 08:56seeking to address,
  • 08:57how parents compare to non
  • 08:59parents in global well-being,
  • 09:01how they compare to non
  • 09:02parents in their experience of
  • 09:03daily emotions
  • 09:05and,
  • 09:06how they feel specifically when
  • 09:08they're spending time with their
  • 09:09children.
  • 09:10In addition,
  • 09:12so for this first study,
  • 09:14we were looking at parents'
  • 09:15happiness levels in general, and
  • 09:17we drew from the world
  • 09:19value survey, which includes nearly
  • 09:21seven thousand respondents. This is
  • 09:22a, nationally representative sample,
  • 09:25of individuals in the United
  • 09:27States.
  • 09:28In addition to being asked
  • 09:29many demographic and lifestyle questions,
  • 09:32relevant to my research questions
  • 09:34that participants in this,
  • 09:36respondents to this survey were
  • 09:37also asked how happy they
  • 09:39felt,
  • 09:40how satisfied they felt with
  • 09:41their life and how frequently
  • 09:43they thought about the meaning
  • 09:44and purpose of life.
  • 09:47So we started with a
  • 09:48very simple question, which is
  • 09:50overall, how do parents compare
  • 09:52to non parents on these
  • 09:53indicators of well-being?
  • 09:55And what we found was
  • 09:56that parents reported greater life
  • 09:58satisfaction,
  • 09:59greater happiness,
  • 10:01and more frequent thoughts about
  • 10:02meaning in life.
  • 10:04Of course, this is just
  • 10:05a snapshot of parents' well-being,
  • 10:08at a single time point
  • 10:09cross sectionally,
  • 10:11the items that were used
  • 10:13to assess well-being,
  • 10:15were also single items and
  • 10:17not necessarily the most validated
  • 10:19and supported in the literature.
  • 10:21We also considered that parents
  • 10:23could be biased in their
  • 10:24responses.
  • 10:25They could respond be responding
  • 10:27based on how they think
  • 10:28they're supposed to feel,
  • 10:30rather than how they actually
  • 10:31felt,
  • 10:33and where it may not
  • 10:34necessarily feel quite so happy
  • 10:36as they're living their daily
  • 10:37life.
  • 10:38So in this second study,
  • 10:40we wanted to better capture
  • 10:42parents' experiences
  • 10:44as they were living their
  • 10:45daily life.
  • 10:47We again use a nationally
  • 10:48representative sample of adults, ages
  • 10:50eighteen to ninety four, and
  • 10:52to replicate the findings from
  • 10:54that first study
  • 10:55w participants completed validated measures
  • 10:58of global well-being,
  • 11:00specifically the subjective happiness scale
  • 11:02and,
  • 11:03the center for epidemiological
  • 11:05studies, depression inventory.
  • 11:08Then they participated
  • 11:11in a seven day experience
  • 11:13sampling paradigm for this study
  • 11:15as well. Each day at
  • 11:17five random times throughout the
  • 11:18day, they were contacted and
  • 11:20asked to fill out questionnaires,
  • 11:22asking them who they were
  • 11:23with, what they were doing,
  • 11:25their positive emotions
  • 11:26at that particular moment, as
  • 11:28well as how much meaning
  • 11:29they felt at the present
  • 11:30moment.
  • 11:32Unfortunately, given the sample, we
  • 11:33didn't actually capture enough moments
  • 11:36when people were spending time
  • 11:37with their children
  • 11:39to, tease apart the effects
  • 11:41of time with children versus
  • 11:42other activities.
  • 11:44But instead we considered, you
  • 11:46know, how are parents feeling
  • 11:48in their daily life throughout
  • 11:49the day compared to people
  • 11:51without children.
  • 11:53And what we found was
  • 11:55that,
  • 11:56again, turning to those global
  • 11:58indicators of well-being, parents reported
  • 12:00greater happiness
  • 12:02as well as lower rates
  • 12:03of depression
  • 12:04compared to people without children.
  • 12:08Turning next to the indicators
  • 12:10of,
  • 12:11emotions in daily life.
  • 12:13We also found that parents
  • 12:15reported more positive emotions in
  • 12:17daily life and a greater
  • 12:19sense of meaning in daily
  • 12:20life.
  • 12:21So here we're starting to
  • 12:23replicate those initial findings and
  • 12:25get more of a sense
  • 12:25that parents are, relatively happy
  • 12:28compared to people without children.
  • 12:30However, it still could be
  • 12:31the case that parents are
  • 12:33reporting their happiness
  • 12:35when they are doing everything
  • 12:36else, but taking care of
  • 12:38their children.
  • 12:39And that could be biasing
  • 12:41these overall reports of happiness.
  • 12:44And we, you know, hypothesize
  • 12:45that if, you know, being
  • 12:47a parent is truly associated
  • 12:49with increases in positive emotions,
  • 12:51then parents ought to feel
  • 12:53those positive emotions when they
  • 12:55are spending time with their
  • 12:56children.
  • 12:58And so in our third
  • 13:00study, we sought to address
  • 13:01that question of understanding
  • 13:03how how happy parents feel,
  • 13:05when they're specifically spending time
  • 13:07with their children. We recruited
  • 13:09one hundred and eighty six
  • 13:10parents for this study,
  • 13:12and asked them to complete
  • 13:14a day reconstruction method,
  • 13:16which asks participants to reconstruct
  • 13:19the entire day from start
  • 13:20to finish episode by episode.
  • 13:23For each episode, they then
  • 13:25reported,
  • 13:26their positive emotions,
  • 13:28across several items,
  • 13:30as well as how much
  • 13:32meaning in life they felt
  • 13:33for each specific episode.
  • 13:35So to give you a
  • 13:36better sense of
  • 13:38what this looks like in
  • 13:39terms of this day reconstruction
  • 13:41method, I pulled some data
  • 13:42from one of the participants
  • 13:44in this study.
  • 13:45And so here you can
  • 13:47see that they've kind of
  • 13:48this part of this specific
  • 13:49participant has broken apart,
  • 13:51their day episode by episode.
  • 13:53So each line in this
  • 13:54table represents a separate episode
  • 13:57of the day. They noted
  • 13:58what time it began and
  • 14:00when it ended. So we
  • 14:01have some information about how
  • 14:02long it lasted.
  • 14:03They made some initial notes
  • 14:05to themselves about how they
  • 14:06felt, and then they responded
  • 14:08to those validated measures of
  • 14:10positive emotions and meaning in
  • 14:11life. So you can see
  • 14:12that this person got up
  • 14:14and got their kids ready
  • 14:15for school.
  • 14:16Then they dropped them off,
  • 14:17played with some puppies, which
  • 14:19just sounds delightful,
  • 14:21drove to work. And then
  • 14:23later on picked up their
  • 14:24kids from the babysitter and
  • 14:25played with them. And then
  • 14:26ultimately,
  • 14:28put their kids to bed.
  • 14:30Notably, what you might see,
  • 14:32here is that some of
  • 14:34these experiences that this participant
  • 14:36had,
  • 14:37involved spending time with their
  • 14:39children,
  • 14:40which we term childcare,
  • 14:43and other
  • 14:44things did not, which we
  • 14:47describe as, you know, just
  • 14:48the other stuff that they
  • 14:49did during the day.
  • 14:50So this approach allowed us
  • 14:52to look within parents' experiences
  • 14:55and kind of break apart
  • 14:56their day
  • 14:57based on when they're spending
  • 14:58time with their children versus
  • 15:00the other stuff that they
  • 15:01do throughout the day.
  • 15:04And make a comparison
  • 15:05of the emotions and sense
  • 15:07of meaning that people feel,
  • 15:09based on these different categories.
  • 15:12So for our analysis, focus
  • 15:14on comparing
  • 15:15time with children versus the
  • 15:17rest of the day. And
  • 15:18again, what we found is
  • 15:19that parents reported
  • 15:21more positive affect when they
  • 15:23were spending time with their
  • 15:24kids,
  • 15:24as well as greater sense
  • 15:26of meaning,
  • 15:27compared to the rest of
  • 15:30their own day.
  • 15:33So across these three studies,
  • 15:35we have some confidence that
  • 15:37parents are in fact happy.
  • 15:40This holds true when we
  • 15:41look at global well-being, daily
  • 15:43well-being, and specifically when people
  • 15:45are spending time with their
  • 15:46children.
  • 15:47Now you might notice that
  • 15:49these, the, this, these studies
  • 15:51were published over a decade
  • 15:52ago and you might think
  • 15:53to yourself, well, things have
  • 15:54changed,
  • 15:56in the last ten years
  • 15:57and they certainly have.
  • 15:59And I'm delighted
  • 16:01that the, these findings have
  • 16:03been replicated by others.
  • 16:06Most notably parents reported,
  • 16:08greater happiness than people without
  • 16:10without children in another kind
  • 16:12of general sample.
  • 16:13This held true even during
  • 16:15the pandemic,
  • 16:16which as a parent myself,
  • 16:17I found a bit surprising.
  • 16:19I'm not gonna lie.
  • 16:21It was also true among
  • 16:23older adults over the age
  • 16:25of sixty.
  • 16:26We've also replicated
  • 16:28the finding that parents report
  • 16:30greater positive emotions when they're
  • 16:31interacting with their children compared
  • 16:33to the rest of their
  • 16:34days. These findings have been
  • 16:35replicated by,
  • 16:37myself in my lab, as
  • 16:38well as other external folks
  • 16:40that I haven't been involved
  • 16:41with. So I feel fairly
  • 16:44confident in these findings
  • 16:46that parents
  • 16:47are reporting, you know, some
  • 16:49level of happiness,
  • 16:51but often when I get
  • 16:52asked about this literature and
  • 16:54you know, what is the
  • 16:55take home message? I often
  • 16:57say, you know, what I
  • 16:58take away from this is
  • 16:59that most parents are happy,
  • 17:01but you might have noticed
  • 17:02that those differences were relatively
  • 17:05small.
  • 17:06In fact, if we go
  • 17:07back to that first
  • 17:09study from the world values
  • 17:10survey
  • 17:11and plot the s the
  • 17:13mean scores for parents and
  • 17:15non parents around a normal
  • 17:16distribution.
  • 17:17Parents reported it was about
  • 17:19seven point seven five on
  • 17:20the life satisfaction
  • 17:21item. This is what that
  • 17:23distribution of scores
  • 17:24would look like,
  • 17:26compared to non parents who
  • 17:28reported
  • 17:29slightly under seven point five.
  • 17:31You can see that these
  • 17:33distributions
  • 17:34are largely
  • 17:35overlapping.
  • 17:36And this is kind of
  • 17:37just a word of caution
  • 17:40to avoid
  • 17:41over interpreting
  • 17:42findings like this.
  • 17:44I'm not trying to suggest
  • 17:46that people should have children
  • 17:48to make them happy or
  • 17:50things like that. This is
  • 17:51not necessarily a causal statement.
  • 17:54And there are lots of
  • 17:55ways to be happy
  • 17:57without having children.
  • 17:59But the, the, this distribution
  • 18:01also highlights to me the
  • 18:03variety of experiences
  • 18:04across parents.
  • 18:06And it made me start
  • 18:08to wonder what leads some
  • 18:10parents to be,
  • 18:12much happier
  • 18:14and other parents to be
  • 18:15less happy
  • 18:17and
  • 18:18whether that might provide opportunities
  • 18:20for intervention and support for
  • 18:22parents.
  • 18:23And so more recently, my
  • 18:25research program has been focused
  • 18:27on addressing these questions of
  • 18:29understanding the variety of experiences
  • 18:31among parents
  • 18:33rather than comparisons
  • 18:35to people without children.
  • 18:38And so that brings me
  • 18:39to my second question,
  • 18:40which is why are some
  • 18:41parents happier or less happy
  • 18:43than others?
  • 18:45To better understand when, why,
  • 18:47and how parenthood could be
  • 18:48associated
  • 18:49with both greater and lower
  • 18:51levels of well-being,
  • 18:53I conducted a comprehensive review
  • 18:54of this literature, including more
  • 18:56than a hundred studies from
  • 18:58psychology, sociology,
  • 18:59and behavior economics.
  • 19:01And one answer to this
  • 19:02question,
  • 19:03why are some parents happier
  • 19:05than others?
  • 19:06Could be due to a
  • 19:08variety of demographic and psychological
  • 19:11factors that moderate the association.
  • 19:14So perhaps, you know, some
  • 19:16parents are happier than others
  • 19:17because they have greater levels
  • 19:19of social support and having
  • 19:20more social support is associated
  • 19:22with greater happiness
  • 19:23among parents and less social
  • 19:25support is associated with lower
  • 19:26levels of happiness
  • 19:28or, you know,
  • 19:29parents' employment status, a variety
  • 19:31of factors.
  • 19:33I also consider
  • 19:35the psychological
  • 19:36processes
  • 19:37that could explain these different
  • 19:39trajectories as well. And the
  • 19:41top path of this model,
  • 19:42I propose why parenthood might
  • 19:44be associated with greater well-being
  • 19:46specifically
  • 19:47when parents experience.
  • 19:50Greater
  • 19:51purpose and meaning in life,
  • 19:53fulfillment of their social roles,
  • 19:55satisfaction of their psychological
  • 19:57needs for autonomy, competence, and
  • 20:00connectedness and greater positive emotions,
  • 20:02then those will all support
  • 20:04greater levels of well-being among
  • 20:06parents.
  • 20:07But sometimes raising children is
  • 20:09not always sunshine
  • 20:11and rainbows.
  • 20:12And I propose that when
  • 20:14parents experience greater negative emotions
  • 20:16and stress,
  • 20:18when they experience financial strain,
  • 20:20sleep disturbance, and fatigue and
  • 20:22difficulty in their romantic relationships,
  • 20:25then they would experience lower
  • 20:26levels of well-being.
  • 20:29I use this model as
  • 20:30a conceptual guide to my
  • 20:32research program,
  • 20:33and I have also,
  • 20:35tested pieces of it empirically.
  • 20:38I'm not going to present
  • 20:39a full test of this
  • 20:40model today. Don't worry.
  • 20:42But instead I'm going to
  • 20:44be presenting some studies highlighting
  • 20:45the work that I've done,
  • 20:47using this model as a
  • 20:48guide.
  • 20:50And I'd like to start
  • 20:51by,
  • 20:52considering the role that parent
  • 20:54gender might play in understanding
  • 20:57their well-being.
  • 20:58Due to social and gender
  • 21:00norms,
  • 21:02moms and dads have very
  • 21:03different experiences
  • 21:05in parenting, which may have
  • 21:07important implications
  • 21:08for their overall well-being.
  • 21:11And so I wanted to
  • 21:12understand this better.
  • 21:15And so I conducted
  • 21:17a couple of studies to
  • 21:18understand gender differences and parents'
  • 21:20well-being.
  • 21:21I turned first to the
  • 21:22National Survey of Families and
  • 21:24Households,
  • 21:25which includes more than thirteen
  • 21:26thousand
  • 21:27respondents from the United States.
  • 21:30And they reported their happiness
  • 21:32on a single item,
  • 21:35about, you know, how happy
  • 21:36they would say they are
  • 21:37these days, as well as
  • 21:38completing the
  • 21:40CESD
  • 21:41again.
  • 21:43And here I was interested
  • 21:45in whether gender moderated the
  • 21:47association
  • 21:48between
  • 21:48parenthood and well-being.
  • 21:51And what we find is
  • 21:52that turning first to parents'
  • 21:54reports of happiness
  • 21:56is that fathers report greater
  • 21:58happiness than men without children.
  • 22:02Whereas mothers were actually reported
  • 22:04lower levels of happiness
  • 22:06compared to women without children.
  • 22:09The difference between fathers and
  • 22:11mothers in this study was
  • 22:12also statistically significant with fathers
  • 22:15reporting greater happiness
  • 22:16than mothers.
  • 22:19Turning next to,
  • 22:21depressive symptoms. We again found
  • 22:23that fathers reported fewer depressive
  • 22:26symptoms than men without children
  • 22:27and compared to mothers,
  • 22:29whereas there was no difference
  • 22:31in depressive symptoms between mothers
  • 22:33and women without children.
  • 22:35So in this study, what
  • 22:36we see is that
  • 22:38dads tend to be benefiting
  • 22:40more in terms of well-being
  • 22:42-being
  • 22:43from, fatherhood than moms are
  • 22:44from motherhood. We wanted to
  • 22:44follow this up again to
  • 22:46get a better
  • 22:48sense of how people are
  • 22:49experiencing parenting in their daily
  • 22:50life.
  • 22:57We collaborated
  • 22:58with the team who developed
  • 23:00the track your happiness app,
  • 23:03which prompts people
  • 23:05throughout the day to reflect
  • 23:06on their happiness levels as
  • 23:08well as a variety of
  • 23:09different experiences.
  • 23:11Specifically,
  • 23:12participants were contacted three times
  • 23:14per day
  • 23:15and,
  • 23:15during waking hours and asked,
  • 23:18how they felt at the
  • 23:20current moment,
  • 23:21ranging from very bad to
  • 23:24very good,
  • 23:25as our indicator of happiness.
  • 23:29They were then prompted,
  • 23:31with a variety of questions
  • 23:32about what they were currently
  • 23:33doing.
  • 23:34And you can see there's
  • 23:36a long list here of
  • 23:38options that they could choose
  • 23:40from, but included
  • 23:41here were options
  • 23:43such as taking care of
  • 23:44your children,
  • 23:45as well as talking or
  • 23:47having conversation with someone.
  • 23:50If people said, yes, I
  • 23:51am talking or having conversation
  • 23:52with someone, they were asked
  • 23:54a follow-up question about who
  • 23:56are you talking to? So
  • 23:57they could indicate, oh, I'm
  • 23:58talking to a friend, a
  • 23:59partner,
  • 24:01important for our research question,
  • 24:02our children. Yeah. Question.
  • 24:05Were the activities mutually exclusive,
  • 24:06so they say they were
  • 24:08both preparing
  • 24:09for the children?
  • 24:11Yes. The second one. They
  • 24:12are not mutually exclusive. People
  • 24:14can be do doing multiple
  • 24:15things at once, which is
  • 24:17a great question.
  • 24:20And so we were interested
  • 24:23in, again, understanding gender differences,
  • 24:26and people's experiences
  • 24:28caring for their children,
  • 24:30or interacting with their children.
  • 24:33So on the left hand
  • 24:34side of the screen, these
  • 24:35are the results for childcare.
  • 24:36So this is when people
  • 24:37said, yes, I'm taking care
  • 24:39of my child compared to,
  • 24:42you know, other, the other
  • 24:43things that they did in
  • 24:44their daily life. And what
  • 24:45we found is that for
  • 24:47women,
  • 24:49mothers reported lower levels of
  • 24:51happiness when they were engaged
  • 24:52in childcare,
  • 24:54compared to their other daily
  • 24:57activities.
  • 24:58Whereas for men, they reported
  • 25:00higher levels of happiness when
  • 25:02they were engaged in childcare,
  • 25:05compared to their own other
  • 25:06daily activities.
  • 25:08Turning next to,
  • 25:11interactions,
  • 25:12we find that
  • 25:14mothers reported higher lows levels
  • 25:16of happiness when they were
  • 25:17interacting
  • 25:18with their children.
  • 25:20But when we look at
  • 25:21fathers, they were even happier
  • 25:24when they were interacting,
  • 25:26with their children compared to
  • 25:28their other daily activities. So
  • 25:29this was a significant moderation
  • 25:31effect by order of magnitude.
  • 25:34And so I think that
  • 25:34this question that was raised,
  • 25:36which is, you know, what
  • 25:37other activities might people be
  • 25:39doing,
  • 25:40and could that play a
  • 25:41role?
  • 25:42And we did some I
  • 25:44don't have a slide on
  • 25:45this, but we did do
  • 25:46some follow-up analysis to see,
  • 25:48you know, are there gender
  • 25:49differences
  • 25:50in the secondary
  • 25:51activities people, mothers and fathers
  • 25:53are doing when they're engaged
  • 25:55in childcare?
  • 25:56And what we
  • 25:57see is that fathers are
  • 25:59much more likely to indicate
  • 26:01that they are also engaged
  • 26:02in play and leisure,
  • 26:04when they are taking both
  • 26:07taking care of their children
  • 26:07and interacting with them, which
  • 26:07would support that increase in
  • 26:08positive emotions.
  • 26:22So it's kind of up
  • 26:23to the participant. So we
  • 26:24didn't prompt them to tell
  • 26:26us more about what are
  • 26:27the other activities, but it
  • 26:28could be, like I guess,
  • 26:30what is considered child care
  • 26:32versus just interacting?
  • 26:34Yeah. So an example might
  • 26:36be like, and this is
  • 26:38defined by participants themselves. Right.
  • 26:40And so it's all kind
  • 26:41of self defined. Are you
  • 26:43engaged in childcare versus interacting?
  • 26:45But,
  • 26:46and participants
  • 26:47could say both. Right? I'm
  • 26:48taking care of my children
  • 26:50and I'm interacting with them.
  • 26:52But example might be, like,
  • 26:54I am,
  • 26:56driving my child to soccer
  • 26:58practice.
  • 26:59Maybe you consider that,
  • 27:01childcare or I'm changing a
  • 27:03diaper
  • 27:04or giving a bath or
  • 27:06feeding a snack. Right? These
  • 27:08are all things that
  • 27:09I personally would consider childcare.
  • 27:12But if I'm also,
  • 27:15reading a story,
  • 27:16to my child or having
  • 27:18a conversation with them
  • 27:20or,
  • 27:21you know, telling them a
  • 27:23story or,
  • 27:25my son has been into
  • 27:26jokes a lot lately. He's
  • 27:27been telling me a lot
  • 27:28of jokes. So they're the,
  • 27:29that kind of like talking
  • 27:31interaction,
  • 27:32I think would be the
  • 27:33key. And so you might
  • 27:34be, so you,
  • 27:36depending on the age of
  • 27:37the child, you might be
  • 27:38able to care for your
  • 27:39child in certain ways without
  • 27:41really engaging or talking with
  • 27:43them.
  • 27:44Right. And so that would
  • 27:45be kind of that distinction.
  • 27:51So together, these,
  • 27:53those initial studies on gender
  • 27:55provide evidence that fatherhood seems
  • 27:57to be more consistently associated
  • 27:59with greater well-being,
  • 28:01than motherhood does.
  • 28:04And in particularly, we saw
  • 28:06that fathers demonstrated greater well-being
  • 28:08overall than men without children,
  • 28:10and they also reported greater
  • 28:11positive emotions while they were
  • 28:13engaged in childcare
  • 28:14and interacting with their children.
  • 28:17On the other hand, mothers
  • 28:19were reporting lower happiness levels,
  • 28:20greater depressive symptoms, and less
  • 28:22happy when they were engaged
  • 28:24in childcare.
  • 28:26And this evidence is consistent
  • 28:28with other accounts
  • 28:30indicating that moms are often
  • 28:32responsible for a lot of
  • 28:34the chore like tasks of
  • 28:36parenthood.
  • 28:37They tend to be,
  • 28:39you know, more responsible
  • 28:41for preparing meals, potty training,
  • 28:43changing diapers, transportation,
  • 28:46and also carry a much
  • 28:48heavier mental load associated
  • 28:50with parenthood. And I think
  • 28:52these are
  • 28:53potential contributing factors.
  • 28:56On the other hand, we
  • 28:57did see that fathers were
  • 28:59more likely to be engaged
  • 29:00in play with their children,
  • 29:02which may lead them to
  • 29:03feel more positive emotions,
  • 29:05when they're engaged in parenting.
  • 29:08In,
  • 29:09this also points to the
  • 29:11potential role of positive emotions
  • 29:13as a valuable mechanism,
  • 29:16to support parents' well-being.
  • 29:18In other studies, I've also
  • 29:20found that parents age,
  • 29:22their marital status,
  • 29:24and their attachment style also
  • 29:26moderate the association
  • 29:27between parenthood and well-being.
  • 29:30And together, the this demonstrates,
  • 29:33I think, one way of
  • 29:34understanding the dynamics of parenthood.
  • 29:37I propose that each of
  • 29:38these moderating factors
  • 29:40Can be understood via the
  • 29:42different mechanisms in the top
  • 29:44path of this model
  • 29:46So the evidence from these
  • 29:47studies points to positive emotions
  • 29:49as a at least partially
  • 29:52explaining
  • 29:53the gender divide in parents'
  • 29:55well-being.
  • 29:56And better understanding these psychological
  • 29:59processes
  • 30:00also provides a foundation
  • 30:02for developing interventions to promote
  • 30:05parents' well-being.
  • 30:07And of course, this brings
  • 30:08me to,
  • 30:09my third question of the
  • 30:10day, which is what are
  • 30:11the strategies and potential benefits
  • 30:14of enhancing parents' happiness?
  • 30:19To answer this question, I
  • 30:20have been implementing
  • 30:22positive activity interventions
  • 30:24among parents.
  • 30:26A large literature has emerged
  • 30:27investigating
  • 30:28whether and how it might
  • 30:30be possible for people to
  • 30:31become happier with intentional effort.
  • 30:34These studies typically involve assigning
  • 30:36people to practice
  • 30:38a positive activity intervention.
  • 30:40Then these involve simple and
  • 30:42intentional practices
  • 30:44that are meant to mimic
  • 30:45the thoughts and behaviors of
  • 30:46naturally happy people.
  • 30:48For example, in my own
  • 30:50work using longitudinal
  • 30:51experimental designs, I have discovered
  • 30:54that being kind to other
  • 30:55people,
  • 30:56expressing gratitude,
  • 30:58and affirming one's sense of
  • 30:59belonging and social groups all
  • 31:02lead to increases in happiness
  • 31:04and well-being over time.
  • 31:06And this work provides
  • 31:08a rigorous
  • 31:09approach
  • 31:10to investigate the causes of
  • 31:11parents' happiness
  • 31:13and to provide recommendations
  • 31:15for parents seeking to improve
  • 31:17their own happiness and well-being.
  • 31:21In addition, although most prior
  • 31:23work on positive activity interventions
  • 31:25focuses specifically
  • 31:27on individual well-being,
  • 31:29I'm also interested in using
  • 31:32these
  • 31:33strategies as a tool,
  • 31:35not only to promote parents'
  • 31:37happiness,
  • 31:38but to better understand
  • 31:40how parents' happiness
  • 31:41can also contribute to improving
  • 31:44the lives of the entire
  • 31:47family, especially given that we
  • 31:48know that caregiver and child
  • 31:50well-being
  • 31:51are closely related to one
  • 31:53another.
  • 31:55So today I wanna spend
  • 31:56some time talking about gratitude
  • 31:58in particular.
  • 31:59Prior research demonstrates that gratitude
  • 32:02is associated
  • 32:03with
  • 32:04a wide variety of emotional
  • 32:05and relational benefits.
  • 32:07So I thought that this
  • 32:09could be a valuable tool
  • 32:11for improving parents' well-being and
  • 32:13family functioning.
  • 32:15Specifically,
  • 32:16prior work on the benefits
  • 32:17of gratitude has suggested
  • 32:19that it's beneficial across contexts.
  • 32:21It leads to greater happiness,
  • 32:25improved health,
  • 32:26more pro social behavior
  • 32:28or kindness to other people,
  • 32:30greater patience,
  • 32:32which I think is especially
  • 32:33key for parents,
  • 32:35and is particularly beneficial in
  • 32:37the context of relationships.
  • 32:39Although most of the prior
  • 32:40work on the benefits of
  • 32:41gratitude and relationships has focused
  • 32:43on romantic relationships or friendships
  • 32:45and fewer studies had considered,
  • 32:48gratitude and parent child relationships.
  • 32:52So based on that prior
  • 32:53evidence, I thought that gratitude
  • 32:55would be a great resource
  • 32:56and potential pathway for improving
  • 32:59parents' well-being
  • 33:00and supporting families.
  • 33:02And to,
  • 33:04since very few studies that
  • 33:06explored gratitude in a family
  • 33:08context, I started
  • 33:10with a more observational
  • 33:11approach,
  • 33:13using a daily diary methodology.
  • 33:16And so we evaluated whether
  • 33:17gratitude was associated with well-being
  • 33:20and family functioning in daily
  • 33:21life.
  • 33:22In this seven day paradigm,
  • 33:25we recruited two seventy participants
  • 33:28for this study
  • 33:29and every day for seven
  • 33:30days, they responded to the
  • 33:32prompt, People give care to
  • 33:34their children in both good
  • 33:35and bad times. Sometimes giving
  • 33:37this care is easy and
  • 33:38enjoyable, whereas other times it
  • 33:40can be difficult and frustrating.
  • 33:42Please describe a time today,
  • 33:43be it easy or difficult,
  • 33:45when you gave care to
  • 33:45your child.
  • 33:47Please describe what your child
  • 33:48was going through and what
  • 33:49you did.
  • 33:50And so we had this
  • 33:51really rich dataset with all
  • 33:53of these daily experiences,
  • 33:56that parents had caring for
  • 33:58their children.
  • 33:59And we wanted to capture,
  • 34:02the whole spectrum.
  • 34:03With this prompt, we were
  • 34:04not only interested in
  • 34:07the pleasant moments with children,
  • 34:09but we wanted this more
  • 34:11realistic
  • 34:12perspective
  • 34:13of parents' experiences.
  • 34:16After responding to this prompt,
  • 34:17participants
  • 34:18reported a variety of daily
  • 34:21well-being outcomes, including positive and
  • 34:23negative emotions,
  • 34:25which importantly included a single
  • 34:26item measuring gratitude, feelings of
  • 34:29gratitude.
  • 34:30They reported their, the satisfaction
  • 34:32of their psychological needs for
  • 34:33autonomy, competence, and connectedness,
  • 34:36as well as their, how
  • 34:38satisfied they felt with their
  • 34:39life that day and how
  • 34:41much meaning they felt with
  • 34:42their life that day.
  • 34:44In addition, parents reported how
  • 34:46close they felt to their
  • 34:47child on a daily basis
  • 34:49on a scale ranging from
  • 34:51one to seven.
  • 34:53And,
  • 34:53I had a wonderful
  • 34:55team
  • 34:56of students go through and
  • 34:57read and code all twelve
  • 34:59hundred
  • 35:00of these diary responses,
  • 35:03and coded them for
  • 35:05the amount of conflict that
  • 35:07was present in these interactions,
  • 35:09as well as the level
  • 35:10of warmth and support that
  • 35:11parents were providing for their
  • 35:13children.
  • 35:15Finally,
  • 35:16we, while we were interested
  • 35:17in understanding the association
  • 35:19between daily feelings of gratitude
  • 35:22and well-being outcomes
  • 35:24at the daily level, we
  • 35:26wanted to make sure that
  • 35:27this was
  • 35:28unique to gratitude.
  • 35:30And so we included a
  • 35:31variety of covariates
  • 35:32in these analyses,
  • 35:34to make sure that these
  • 35:36patterns weren't reflective
  • 35:38of parent age or how,
  • 35:40how, many children they had
  • 35:42a variety of demographic factors.
  • 35:44And we also wanted to
  • 35:46distinguish,
  • 35:47felt gratitude on a daily
  • 35:49basis from the experience of
  • 35:50other positive emotions, such as
  • 35:52happiness, which was also included
  • 35:54as a covariate.
  • 35:57All right. So like I
  • 35:58said,
  • 35:59we were interested in gratitude
  • 36:01at the daily level. And
  • 36:03so we conducted multilevel modeling
  • 36:05analysis,
  • 36:06which allowed us to piece
  • 36:07apart,
  • 36:08within person variability
  • 36:10and gratitude. So how much
  • 36:12does one parent fluctuate in
  • 36:14their feelings of gratitude from
  • 36:15one day to the next
  • 36:17from
  • 36:18excuse me, between person variability?
  • 36:21Or how much gratitude does
  • 36:22a person feel over the
  • 36:24course of the whole week,
  • 36:25and how does that compare
  • 36:26to,
  • 36:27other people?
  • 36:42Level?
  • 36:43Is that related to other
  • 36:45indicators of well-being at the
  • 36:46daily level and family functioning?
  • 36:50And what you see is
  • 36:51that that daily gratitude was
  • 36:52associated with greater positive emotions,
  • 36:55fewer negative emotions, more autonomy,
  • 36:57competence, connectedness,
  • 36:59meaning, and,
  • 37:01daily satisfaction.
  • 37:03And these findings were quite
  • 37:04robust even as we,
  • 37:07included all of those covariates
  • 37:09in our model.
  • 37:12So in general, what this
  • 37:14tells us is that on
  • 37:15days that parents felt more
  • 37:16grateful than they usually did,
  • 37:18they also
  • 37:19reported higher levels of well-being
  • 37:22across a variety of outcomes.
  • 37:24Turning next to our family
  • 37:27functioning outcomes.
  • 37:29We again saw that on
  • 37:30days that parents reported higher
  • 37:32levels of gratitude, they also
  • 37:33felt closer to their child,
  • 37:35provided more warmth and support
  • 37:37for their child,
  • 37:38and demonstrated
  • 37:40lower levels of conflict in
  • 37:41those interactions.
  • 37:44And this was,
  • 37:45robust after the inclusion of
  • 37:48covariates.
  • 37:50So what we see here
  • 37:51is that feeling grateful on
  • 37:53a daily basis,
  • 37:55throughout people's, you know, real
  • 37:57experiences taking care of their
  • 37:58children is associated with a
  • 38:00variety of well-being and family
  • 38:02functioning outcomes.
  • 38:04But you might be looking
  • 38:04at this and think to
  • 38:06yourself, well, maybe they feel
  • 38:08more grateful because they felt
  • 38:10close to their child rather
  • 38:12than gratitude
  • 38:13leading them to feel close
  • 38:15to their children, right. Is
  • 38:17certainly plausible that these,
  • 38:20associations
  • 38:21are bidirectional.
  • 38:22And so we wanted to
  • 38:23understand
  • 38:24whether gratitude might be causing
  • 38:26some of these benefits for
  • 38:28parents' well-being and family functioning.
  • 38:31And so we implemented,
  • 38:34an experimental
  • 38:35design to better understand the
  • 38:38causal role of gratitude for
  • 38:40family well-being.
  • 38:41We recruited six hundred and
  • 38:43nineteen parents to participate in
  • 38:45this study,
  • 38:47and we randomly assigned per
  • 38:49these parents to one of
  • 38:51three conditions.
  • 38:53Our first condition
  • 38:54is a new gratitude activity
  • 38:57that we developed called safe
  • 38:58haven gratitude,
  • 38:59which instructs people to write
  • 39:01a gratitude letter to someone
  • 39:02who made them feel cherished,
  • 39:04protected,
  • 39:05or accepted.
  • 39:06And this is drawn from
  • 39:08attachment theory, as well as
  • 39:10Sarah Aljo's find remind and
  • 39:11bind theory
  • 39:12of gratitude, which argues that
  • 39:14gratitude is meant to help
  • 39:16draw our attention to high
  • 39:17quality
  • 39:18relationship partners.
  • 39:20Our second condition was a
  • 39:21general gratitude activity in which
  • 39:24participants were instructed to write
  • 39:25a letter to someone who
  • 39:26was kind to them.
  • 39:28And our third activity was
  • 39:29a neutral control in which
  • 39:31they wrote about the events
  • 39:32of the previous day.
  • 39:34For this study, participants were
  • 39:35first randomly assigned to their
  • 39:37activity and wrote these letters
  • 39:39or wrote about their prior
  • 39:41experiences.
  • 39:42Immediately after they completed this
  • 39:44activity,
  • 39:46they reported their positive,
  • 39:49empathic and negative emotions,
  • 39:51their psychological needs satisfaction,
  • 39:54which includes autonomy, competence, and
  • 39:56connectedness,
  • 39:56their sense of meaning in
  • 39:57life and how close they
  • 39:58felt to their children.
  • 40:00Then they we followed up
  • 40:02with them five days later,
  • 40:04and ask them again about
  • 40:05their positive and negative emotions,
  • 40:07their psychological needs satisfaction, meaning
  • 40:10in life, and subjective happiness.
  • 40:12We ask them how close
  • 40:13they felt to their child
  • 40:14again five days later.
  • 40:17And,
  • 40:18we also ask them about
  • 40:20a variety of family functioning
  • 40:22outcomes, including parenting satisfaction,
  • 40:25parental over control,
  • 40:26positive child behavior, which includes
  • 40:29the parents' perceptions,
  • 40:30their perceptions
  • 40:32of their child's negative behavior
  • 40:34and their perceptions of their
  • 40:35child's maladjustment.
  • 40:38Given,
  • 40:39that this is one gratitude
  • 40:40letter that takes five to
  • 40:42ten minutes to write, I
  • 40:43didn't necessarily
  • 40:44expect
  • 40:45that
  • 40:46writing
  • 40:47this letter one time would
  • 40:49change people's lives for the
  • 40:50rest of time or even
  • 40:52five days later. But instead,
  • 40:54what I was interested in
  • 40:55was whether any immediate benefit
  • 40:57of writing these gratitude letters
  • 41:00would translate into benefits
  • 41:02over the course of the
  • 41:03week.
  • 41:04And so we first evaluated
  • 41:07these immediate benefits of the
  • 41:08gratitude letter, and then we
  • 41:10conducted analyses looking at whether
  • 41:12those benefits,
  • 41:13were correlated with,
  • 41:16the well-being, relationship quality, and
  • 41:18family functioning outcomes five days
  • 41:20later. So turning first to
  • 41:21the immediate outcomes,
  • 41:23we found that both gratitude
  • 41:25activities
  • 41:26elicited greater positive emotions,
  • 41:29greater empathic emotions, which includes
  • 41:31things like feeling compassionate, sympathetic,
  • 41:34caring.
  • 41:36Importantly, it also elicited greater
  • 41:38gratitude as a manipulation
  • 41:40check,
  • 41:41and interestingly
  • 41:42lower levels of competence.
  • 41:46And turning next
  • 41:48to our,
  • 41:50mediation
  • 41:51analysis. So,
  • 41:52here we found that the
  • 41:54experience of positive emotions in
  • 41:56particular
  • 41:57was especially beneficial,
  • 41:59for parents over the course
  • 42:00of the week.
  • 42:02The this is just, you
  • 42:03know, showing you what I
  • 42:05showed before, but the gratitude
  • 42:06letter activities led to increases
  • 42:09in positive emotions,
  • 42:10which in turn predicted parents'
  • 42:12well-being five days
  • 42:14later, including greater positive emotions,
  • 42:16empathic emotions,
  • 42:17fewer negative emotions,
  • 42:19greater subjective happiness, greater meaning,
  • 42:22and,
  • 42:23greater psychological needs satisfaction.
  • 42:27And turning next to those
  • 42:29family functioning outcomes, the increases
  • 42:31in positive emotions immediately following
  • 42:34the gratitude activity
  • 42:36led to greater,
  • 42:37sense of closeness, parenting satisfaction,
  • 42:40more positive perceptions of their
  • 42:42child's behavior,
  • 42:43fewer negative perceptions of their
  • 42:45child's behavior,
  • 42:46and lower parent reports of
  • 42:48child maladjustment.
  • 42:50One thing that I would
  • 42:51like to point out here
  • 42:52is that this gratitude letter
  • 42:54activity did not ask people
  • 42:55to
  • 42:56think about their child,
  • 42:58focus on their child,
  • 43:01think about how grateful they
  • 43:02are for their child. It
  • 43:03had nothing to do with
  • 43:04their child at all.
  • 43:07And
  • 43:08still we see that the
  • 43:09improvements in positive emotions are
  • 43:11translating
  • 43:12into benefits,
  • 43:14with their interactions with their
  • 43:16children.
  • 43:19And so I think that
  • 43:20this is really interesting,
  • 43:22given that we can find
  • 43:23these simple ways to support
  • 43:25parents' well-being, and then that
  • 43:26might translate into benefits for
  • 43:28the whole family.
  • 43:31I'm also interested in understanding,
  • 43:34a variety of other questions.
  • 43:36So
  • 43:37these gratitude activities that I've
  • 43:39been doing
  • 43:40are relatively simple one time
  • 43:42point, and I think it
  • 43:43would be valuable to
  • 43:46better understand whether they can
  • 43:47sustainably
  • 43:48lead to increases in well-being,
  • 43:50perhaps with longer term interventions
  • 43:53as opposed to a single
  • 43:55time point.
  • 43:56We're also,
  • 43:57currently conducting studies including dyadic
  • 44:00assessments of parent and children's
  • 44:01well-being and relationship qualities so
  • 44:03we can get both the
  • 44:04parent and the child's perspective.
  • 44:07Because it's certainly possible that
  • 44:09maybe the parent feels better
  • 44:10about their relationship with the
  • 44:11child, but maybe the child
  • 44:12doesn't.
  • 44:13And it would be important
  • 44:14to show,
  • 44:16those benefits on both sides
  • 44:17of that relationship.
  • 44:20I am also really interested
  • 44:21in understanding how these processes
  • 44:23emerge during the transition to
  • 44:25parenthood.
  • 44:26The transition to parenthood has
  • 44:27been identified as an inflection
  • 44:29point for adult development, introducing
  • 44:32risk for mental illness, but
  • 44:33also opportunities
  • 44:35for growth. And given
  • 44:37the substantial changes that occur
  • 44:39during this period of time,
  • 44:41it's valuable to understand
  • 44:44how these patterns play out
  • 44:45during,
  • 44:47this transition period.
  • 44:49And,
  • 44:50this might give us some
  • 44:51insights into new behaviors and
  • 44:54patterns that are emerging,
  • 44:56that could either undermine or
  • 44:58support parents' well-being.
  • 45:01To that end, I'm currently
  • 45:03collaborating with doctor Helena Rutherford
  • 45:05here at the child study
  • 45:06center,
  • 45:08to
  • 45:09understand how feelings of loneliness
  • 45:11and social connection
  • 45:13change from pregnancy through the
  • 45:14early postpartum period and how
  • 45:16those changes are related
  • 45:18to parent and child health
  • 45:20and well-being.
  • 45:21We specifically
  • 45:22hypothesized
  • 45:23that social connectedness
  • 45:25during the transition to parenthood
  • 45:27will predict postpartum mental health
  • 45:28and well-being
  • 45:29with downstream consequences
  • 45:31for child development.
  • 45:33We are testing these
  • 45:35these hypotheses in a longitudinal
  • 45:38triadic
  • 45:38study, including birthing parents, their
  • 45:41partners,
  • 45:42and children,
  • 45:43as well as self report,
  • 45:44health outcomes, and behavioral observations
  • 45:48of parenting behavior and infant
  • 45:49development.
  • 45:51Sometimes it feels like we
  • 45:52have the whole kitchen sink
  • 45:54in this study.
  • 45:56And so our hope with
  • 45:57this work is that by
  • 45:58evaluating social connection, mental health,
  • 46:01and well-being,
  • 46:02and how these unfold during
  • 46:04the transition to parenthood,
  • 46:05we can identify new routes
  • 46:07of intervention,
  • 46:08to improve caregiver well-being,
  • 46:11minimize development of postpartum mood
  • 46:13disorders, which will ultimately benefit
  • 46:15the entire family for years
  • 46:17to come.
  • 46:19So in conclusion, I think
  • 46:21that what my research demonstrates
  • 46:23is that although parenting can
  • 46:25be stressful, it can also
  • 46:27be joyful
  • 46:28and many parents are in
  • 46:29fact,
  • 46:30relatively
  • 46:31happy
  • 46:32amidst the stress.
  • 46:35My work also
  • 46:37focuses on understanding the psychological
  • 46:39factors that predict and promote
  • 46:41parents' well-being
  • 46:43with an eye towards
  • 46:45understanding how supporting parents' well-being
  • 46:47can benefit,
  • 46:50the entire family.
  • 46:52And with that, I would
  • 46:53be happy to take any
  • 46:55questions
  • 46:56that you have.
  • 47:05Question over here.
  • 47:10Doctor Cardona.
  • 47:12Thank you so much for
  • 47:14demonstrating so elegantly
  • 47:16how you can combine both
  • 47:17qualitative and quantitative
  • 47:20methodologies
  • 47:21to get at some very,
  • 47:22very rich,
  • 47:23data. So thank you for
  • 47:25demonstrating that so very clearly.
  • 47:28My question is about other
  • 47:29moderators,
  • 47:31that I wasn't sure you
  • 47:33describe, which is,
  • 47:35factors of poverty
  • 47:37and also,
  • 47:39cultural
  • 47:40and racial identity.
  • 47:42We know that our,
  • 47:44brown and black families and
  • 47:45those that suffer in poverty
  • 47:48have a lot of adversities
  • 47:49and whether you've looked at
  • 47:51those as
  • 47:52moderating factors in parent well-being
  • 47:55and parent happiness and parenting.
  • 47:58Yeah. I think that's a
  • 47:59great question.
  • 48:01So first I would say
  • 48:02that financial strain is one
  • 48:04of the key mechanisms
  • 48:06in my model. And so
  • 48:07I do think that,
  • 48:09those experiences
  • 48:11are,
  • 48:12incredibly
  • 48:13important,
  • 48:15to, you know, understand
  • 48:17and
  • 48:18provide resources and
  • 48:20support.
  • 48:21I don't have any
  • 48:23direct data,
  • 48:25myself on those questions,
  • 48:28but I think it's, you
  • 48:29know you know,
  • 48:32the, you know, maternal health
  • 48:34care,
  • 48:37experiences
  • 48:37of brown and black women
  • 48:39in particular,
  • 48:40is a huge problem
  • 48:42in this, this country. And
  • 48:44I'm hoping that we might
  • 48:46have some
  • 48:47in our current ongoing study.
  • 48:49I'm hoping that our sample,
  • 48:50we will be diverse enough
  • 48:51to allow us to
  • 48:53evaluate some of those questions
  • 48:55more thoroughly because there is
  • 48:56absolutely a need.
  • 48:58Okay. So we do have
  • 48:59another question in the, from
  • 49:00the Zoom room.
  • 49:02Linda Drozdowicz, do you want
  • 49:03to unmute and ask your
  • 49:04question?
  • 49:10If you can find the
  • 49:11unmute button.
  • 49:12She's she's there. She's just
  • 49:14trying to unmute.
  • 49:15There we go. Hey there.
  • 49:16Thank you. Sorry. I wasn't
  • 49:17letting you unmute. Thank you
  • 49:18so much for this talk.
  • 49:19This is such an important
  • 49:20topic.
  • 49:21Just just one second, Linda.
  • 49:23Yep.
  • 49:24We're just turning up. Again?
  • 49:27Check. Check. One, two, three.
  • 49:29Keep going.
  • 49:30We're good? Good. Yes. Alright.
  • 49:32Thank you so much for
  • 49:33this talk. This is such
  • 49:34an important topic.
  • 49:36I I say this as
  • 49:38a mother who loves being
  • 49:39a mother, but motherhood can
  • 49:40be a really raw deal.
  • 49:42And I would be
  • 49:44just, it can it tends
  • 49:45to be and I would
  • 49:47be very interested
  • 49:49to see follow-up questions, or
  • 49:51in the next iteration of
  • 49:52the study,
  • 49:53less about what mothers and
  • 49:55fathers were doing while taking
  • 49:57care of their children, but
  • 49:58more about what they were
  • 50:00thinking,
  • 50:00because there's a lot of
  • 50:02attention that's being paid increasingly
  • 50:04to the mental load, which
  • 50:05tends to disproportionately
  • 50:06fall on mothers.
  • 50:08Not of what you do
  • 50:08in the home. But of
  • 50:09who is in charge of
  • 50:10thinking about, you know, what
  • 50:12are we getting for dinner?
  • 50:13Who's making it when we'll
  • 50:13be on the table, you
  • 50:15know, the kids ready for
  • 50:15school, etcetera.
  • 50:17And, you know, in in
  • 50:18my personal experience with every
  • 50:20mom, I know whenever you're
  • 50:21spending time with your kids,
  • 50:22you are also thinking about
  • 50:23all those things simultaneously.
  • 50:24And I would wonder if
  • 50:26that would
  • 50:27be a factor contributing to
  • 50:29who is happier and less
  • 50:30happy, you know, in the
  • 50:31study. So,
  • 50:32there's an exercise called the
  • 50:34fair play game that I
  • 50:35mentioned in my comment, which
  • 50:36literally has on cards almost
  • 50:37every organizational,
  • 50:39you know, household task and
  • 50:40and thought process that exists.
  • 50:42And you can have couples
  • 50:43divide them up and see
  • 50:44who's in charge of thinking
  • 50:45about what. So I just
  • 50:46thought that would be really
  • 50:47interesting because at least in
  • 50:48my experience and from what
  • 50:49I've read, that's a major
  • 50:51factor in the experience of,
  • 50:52you know, mothers versus fathers.
  • 50:54Yes. Thank you so much
  • 50:55for that comment. And the
  • 50:56mental load of motherhood is
  • 50:58definitely one of the reasons
  • 51:00that I think we see
  • 51:02this,
  • 51:03gender divide in parents' well-being.
  • 51:05And I'm also familiar with
  • 51:06the fair play game and
  • 51:07love it. Great recommendation.
  • 51:13You can see for anyone
  • 51:14who wants to obtain CEUs,
  • 51:15Tara is putting a note
  • 51:16in the chat just to
  • 51:18sign out from this activity,
  • 51:19and we put the sign
  • 51:20out codes at the back
  • 51:21of the room here in
  • 51:22the cone for anyone who's
  • 51:23interested.
  • 51:25Hello.
  • 51:27I had two questions. So
  • 51:28the first one was, can
  • 51:29you speak a little bit
  • 51:30more of to the demographics
  • 51:33of the parents that were
  • 51:34involved in this study? And
  • 51:36then the second one was,
  • 51:37with the emergence of literature
  • 51:39on hyper intent hyperattentive
  • 51:42parenting and intensive parenting, have
  • 51:44you taken that into consideration
  • 51:46in this literature, and how
  • 51:47is that kind of playing
  • 51:48out in what you're seeing?
  • 51:50Yeah. Absolutely. So,
  • 51:53the demographics of the studies
  • 51:55vary,
  • 51:56depending, you know, on each
  • 51:58specific study.
  • 51:59And this is often why
  • 52:01you'll see, like, I use
  • 52:02the world value survey,
  • 52:05the national survey of families
  • 52:06and households,
  • 52:08which draw from representative samples
  • 52:10of the United States. And
  • 52:12so,
  • 52:13my hope is that we're
  • 52:14capturing
  • 52:15at least some representation,
  • 52:16but this does
  • 52:18still tend to lean towards
  • 52:19more overrepresentation
  • 52:21of white families.
  • 52:23And so I think that
  • 52:24there does need to be
  • 52:25much more work done to,
  • 52:27broaden the diversity and representation
  • 52:30of our samples so that
  • 52:31we can speak to more,
  • 52:34you know, populations
  • 52:35within our country.
  • 52:37The other studies,
  • 52:39also do tend to be,
  • 52:41usually between sixty and seventy
  • 52:43percent white,
  • 52:46families. And so we are
  • 52:47seeing kind of an overrepresentation
  • 52:49of that,
  • 52:50perspective.
  • 52:51And then your second question
  • 52:53about intensive parenting,
  • 52:55I think that that is,
  • 52:57a really great question. And
  • 52:59I think that,
  • 53:00there's,
  • 53:01not my own studies, but
  • 53:02work by others show that
  • 53:04compares
  • 53:05the amount of time parents
  • 53:06spent with their children in
  • 53:07the nineteen eighties compared to
  • 53:09the amount of time parents
  • 53:10spend with their children now.
  • 53:12And it has increased,
  • 53:14significantly,
  • 53:17Upwards of, I think at
  • 53:18least I don't have the
  • 53:19exact numbers in front of
  • 53:21me, but like at least
  • 53:22ten hours a week, more
  • 53:24time with kids. And I
  • 53:25think that that's characteristic
  • 53:27of that intensive
  • 53:29parenting. Another thing that brings
  • 53:31to mind when I hear
  • 53:32intensive parenting
  • 53:34is to consider parents' attachment
  • 53:37orientations,
  • 53:38because intensive parenting
  • 53:40is common among parents with
  • 53:43more anxious,
  • 53:44patterns of attachment.
  • 53:46And I do have data
  • 53:48showing that,
  • 53:50parents with,
  • 53:52more anxious attachment styles
  • 53:54are reporting
  • 53:56fewer positive emotions and more
  • 53:58negative emotions across the entire
  • 54:00day. So not necessarily specific
  • 54:01to when they're spending time
  • 54:02with their kids,
  • 54:03but,
  • 54:05all the time they're feeling.
  • 54:06And I think that that's
  • 54:07demonstrative of that mental load
  • 54:09and the worry that goes
  • 54:10into
  • 54:11caring for children, even when,
  • 54:13when they're not with them.
  • 54:15Great. And I think we
  • 54:17have another question from the
  • 54:18Zoom room. Catherine, do you
  • 54:19want to unmute to ask
  • 54:20your question?
  • 54:21Catherine Bob?
  • 54:31Oh, there I am.
  • 54:32It was saying I couldn't
  • 54:33unmute. So thank you for
  • 54:34this presentation. I appreciate it.
  • 54:37What I'm curious about is
  • 54:39as much as you're saying
  • 54:42a lot about parents and
  • 54:44and, you know,
  • 54:45what what their perspectives are
  • 54:47and how they fall in
  • 54:48in this
  • 54:49research, you're saying quite a
  • 54:51bit about people who are
  • 54:53not parenting, and I can't
  • 54:55remember the exact terminology that
  • 54:56you use in terms of
  • 54:59their
  • 55:00identifier. But could you say
  • 55:01a little bit more about
  • 55:02the folks who are not
  • 55:03parents
  • 55:04and their sort of demographics?
  • 55:07Did you did you gather
  • 55:09any information about their connection
  • 55:11to children, their connection in,
  • 55:14you know, being in a
  • 55:15partnership or, you know, like
  • 55:17and any additional details about
  • 55:19those folks who participated would
  • 55:20be really insightful for me.
  • 55:23Yeah. That's a great question.
  • 55:25And I don't have as
  • 55:27much, like, really, like, rich
  • 55:29data about,
  • 55:30the non parents in these
  • 55:32studies.
  • 55:33But I, I have thought
  • 55:35about this a lot,
  • 55:36because, and this part of
  • 55:38the reason why I have
  • 55:39actually moved away from these
  • 55:41comparisons to non parents, because
  • 55:44there's, you know,
  • 55:45so many reasons why people
  • 55:47might not have children.
  • 55:49They might vary in their,
  • 55:50you know, maybe they are.
  • 55:53Have like lots of nieces
  • 55:54and nephews
  • 55:55or, you know, other, you
  • 55:57know, children that they're in
  • 55:59contact with, or you know,
  • 56:00a variety of things. They
  • 56:01might also have children in
  • 56:02the future if they are
  • 56:03relatively young.
  • 56:06And what I can say,
  • 56:08is that other studies that
  • 56:10have, you know, broken apart
  • 56:12the, the data based on,
  • 56:15comparing, you know, people with
  • 56:17children to
  • 56:19people who don't have children
  • 56:20but want to have children,
  • 56:23or people who don't have
  • 56:24children but don't want to
  • 56:25have children,
  • 56:27it matters.
  • 56:29And,
  • 56:30what we see is that
  • 56:31the the, you know, comparisons
  • 56:34of parents to people,
  • 56:36who don't have children but
  • 56:38want to have children,
  • 56:39that well-being difference is much
  • 56:41larger,
  • 56:42not surprising.
  • 56:43Whereas the difference between
  • 56:45people who don't have children,
  • 56:48and
  • 56:49have no
  • 56:50intention
  • 56:51or desire to have children,
  • 56:53the difference is much smaller.
  • 57:03Doctor Reyes.
  • 57:06Hi. So thank you so
  • 57:07much for sharing your research.
  • 57:08Mhmm. And I think just
  • 57:09building off of what has
  • 57:10been said,
  • 57:12so far because I was,
  • 57:13like, looking at the coefficients,
  • 57:16and I was wondering if,
  • 57:17like, how big are the
  • 57:18effect sizes really? Because they
  • 57:20seem like, you know, like
  • 57:21seven point five versus seven
  • 57:22point three, for instance. Like,
  • 57:23is that really,
  • 57:25you know, meaningful? So I'm
  • 57:26just worried about the implications.
  • 57:28And, you know, the
  • 57:30given our political climate, I'm
  • 57:31hearing, like, childless cat ladies
  • 57:33and, you know, things like
  • 57:34that.
  • 57:35So yeah. So that's one
  • 57:37thing that I that first
  • 57:39got my attention when I
  • 57:40was looking at your slides.
  • 57:42And then the second is,
  • 57:45I was fascinated
  • 57:46by this, the parenting
  • 57:48paradox because we seem to
  • 57:50be
  • 57:51dichotomizing,
  • 57:52like, feeling sad versus feeling
  • 57:54happy when you can have
  • 57:56both.
  • 57:56For instance, and then I
  • 57:57think, like, building again off
  • 57:59of what others have said,
  • 58:00like, if you're coming from
  • 58:02systemically
  • 58:03disinvested communities
  • 58:05where stress and, you know,
  • 58:06all you know, you're suffering
  • 58:08from
  • 58:09all these other,
  • 58:11stuff happening in your neighborhood
  • 58:13and things like that. Like,
  • 58:15I just I just worry
  • 58:16about, like, this
  • 58:18dichotomy
  • 58:19of moving towards everything is
  • 58:21positive and happy
  • 58:23versus really thinking about, like,
  • 58:25how are we able to
  • 58:26find harmony
  • 58:27and really accept
  • 58:29the fact that, you know,
  • 58:30you can't really remove stress
  • 58:32from these communities, for instance.
  • 58:34Yeah. Thank you for raising
  • 58:36that. I wanna address the
  • 58:37second point first, and then
  • 58:38I'll come back to the
  • 58:39first,
  • 58:41which is that, like, I
  • 58:43completely agree,
  • 58:45with what you said. And
  • 58:46it's often, like, something that
  • 58:47I worry about a lot
  • 58:48with studying positive emotions and
  • 58:51happiness and well-being
  • 58:53is,
  • 58:54that I don't want it
  • 58:55to be misconstrued that I'm
  • 58:57just trying to walk around
  • 58:58saying that people just need
  • 58:59to be happy. Like they
  • 59:01just need to be happy
  • 59:02and that's all that matters.
  • 59:04Because
  • 59:05there is a lot of,
  • 59:06you know, hurt and sadness
  • 59:08in the world. And I
  • 59:09actually think that part of
  • 59:10being
  • 59:11well
  • 59:12is being able to
  • 59:14acknowledge that,
  • 59:16and experience
  • 59:18those emotions
  • 59:20without ruminating on them or
  • 59:22getting, you know, letting them
  • 59:23to kind of carry you
  • 59:25away. And so I think
  • 59:26that there is maybe a
  • 59:27sweet spot of allowing ourselves
  • 59:29to experience those negative emotions
  • 59:31on alongside,
  • 59:33the positive emotions.
  • 59:35And,
  • 59:37that's why, like, in the
  • 59:38definition, I could probably give,
  • 59:39like, a whole hour long
  • 59:40talk just on this, but
  • 59:41I'll try to keep it
  • 59:42brief.
  • 59:43What we're seeing in the
  • 59:44the
  • 59:45field of positive psychology
  • 59:47is kind of, an a
  • 59:49transition
  • 59:50away from, like,
  • 59:53positive is good. Negative is
  • 59:54bad. We must avoid all
  • 59:55negative emotions and only have
  • 59:57positive emotions because that is
  • 59:59too overly simplistic.
  • 01:00:01But instead what we see
  • 01:00:02is more of this idea
  • 01:00:04of frequency.
  • 01:00:05Right. And so we'll say
  • 01:00:06like, you'll notice that I
  • 01:00:08talked about the frequency of
  • 01:00:09positive and negative emotions. I
  • 01:00:10didn't say never experiencing,
  • 01:00:13negative emotions,
  • 01:00:15ever like, right. But instead
  • 01:00:17it's about the balance of
  • 01:00:19the two and the ability
  • 01:00:21to cope with those negative
  • 01:00:22experiences.
  • 01:00:24And I like this idea
  • 01:00:24of harmony that you raised.
  • 01:00:26I think that's a really
  • 01:00:26nice way of putting it.
  • 01:00:28And then to come back
  • 01:00:29to your first question, which
  • 01:00:30is about effect sizes, I
  • 01:00:31think that's a great point.
  • 01:00:32So one, you'll see that
  • 01:00:33the effect sizes for,
  • 01:00:36the comparison of parents and
  • 01:00:37non parents is minuscule.
  • 01:00:40And that's again, another reason
  • 01:00:41why I've moved away from
  • 01:00:43some of those comparisons because
  • 01:00:44I think it can get,
  • 01:00:46the implications of that get
  • 01:00:48distorted.
  • 01:00:50And so instead, I I
  • 01:00:52use that as a way
  • 01:00:53of saying, like, parents
  • 01:00:55are in fact not miserable.
  • 01:00:57They're, like, you know, comparable
  • 01:00:59to people without children because
  • 01:01:00for a long time, the
  • 01:01:01narrative was, like, parents are
  • 01:01:03all miserable and they hate
  • 01:01:04their children because having children
  • 01:01:05is the worst,
  • 01:01:06which is also an over
  • 01:01:08exaggeration, like, where it's like
  • 01:01:09a pendulum. Right?
  • 01:01:11In terms
  • 01:01:12of the effect sizes
  • 01:01:13for the gratitude interventions and
  • 01:01:16things like that,
  • 01:01:17those effect sizes
  • 01:01:19are,
  • 01:01:20I would, you know, small
  • 01:01:21to moderate, which is consistent
  • 01:01:24with the literature on well-being
  • 01:01:26more generally. And I think
  • 01:01:27it's important to keep it
  • 01:01:28in context
  • 01:01:29and remember that this is
  • 01:01:31a five to ten minute
  • 01:01:33exercise.
  • 01:01:34And we're seeing, you know,
  • 01:01:36some, you know, small, moderate
  • 01:01:38boosts and positive emotions.
  • 01:01:40I would
  • 01:01:41be
  • 01:01:42very skeptical
  • 01:01:44if I had an intervention
  • 01:01:46of this type that was,
  • 01:01:48you know, had this like
  • 01:01:49massive,
  • 01:01:50effect size given that we
  • 01:01:52know there are lots of
  • 01:01:53competing factors
  • 01:01:55that influence
  • 01:01:56well-being,
  • 01:01:58at any given moment. And
  • 01:02:00I see it these activities
  • 01:02:02as, like, a little nudge.
  • 01:02:03Right? Just like a little
  • 01:02:05nudge throughout the day that
  • 01:02:06people could engage in. And
  • 01:02:08it's instead that experience of
  • 01:02:09positive emotions
  • 01:02:11that could
  • 01:02:12shape,
  • 01:02:13and change their experiences over
  • 01:02:15the course of time. Because,
  • 01:02:16you know, posit you know,
  • 01:02:18there's lots of theory and
  • 01:02:19evidence of
  • 01:02:21the ways that positive emotion
  • 01:02:23emotions can help people,
  • 01:02:25broaden their mindsets and build
  • 01:02:27resources and skills. And that's
  • 01:02:29kind of the benefit that's
  • 01:02:30gonna accrue
  • 01:02:31over time, not necessarily the
  • 01:02:32direct benefit of any one
  • 01:02:34specific activity.
  • 01:02:37All right. Great. Thank you.
  • 01:02:38Sadly, we have to call
  • 01:02:39it a day there, but
  • 01:02:40just, I want to have
  • 01:02:41everybody thank Doctor. Nelson Coffee
  • 01:02:43once more. Really appreciate you
  • 01:02:45being here.
  • 01:02:47Thank you all so much
  • 01:02:48for having me.