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"Narcolepsy: Review and Update on Treatment" Glenda Bowen (05.05.2021)

May 16, 2021

"Narcolepsy: Review and Update on Treatment" Glenda Bowen (05.05.2021)

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  • 00:15Alright, good afternoon everybody.
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  • 01:18speaker for this afternoon,
  • 01:20so I'm delighted to introduce Glenda Bowen
  • 01:23Ann and she's a Sleep Medicine fellow.
  • 01:27Glenda went to medical school in Honduras
  • 01:30and she interned in internal medicine in
  • 01:33Danbury Hospital at the Yale program there.
  • 01:37Did her residency there became chief resident
  • 01:39and did a fellowship in pulmonary and
  • 01:42critical care at the University of Vermont,
  • 01:46and this year is a Sleep Medicine of
  • 01:49fellow and she's currently board certified
  • 01:52in internal Medicine pulmonary medicine.
  • 01:55And she's going to be taking the
  • 01:58critical care exams next year.
  • 02:00Sleep Fellowship exams this year
  • 02:02and and she's going to be not that
  • 02:06far from us when she graduates.
  • 02:08She will be in in practice and
  • 02:11in western Massachusetts,
  • 02:12and we hope to keep in contact with her.
  • 02:16So Glenda is going to tell us
  • 02:18everything we need to know about the
  • 02:21diagnosis and management of narcolepsy.
  • 02:23There been some exciting?
  • 02:25A developments in that area,
  • 02:27we're gonna hear from Glenda right now,
  • 02:30Linda. Take it away.
  • 02:33Thank you Doctor Krieger for your
  • 02:36introduction, so I guess I'll
  • 02:38just kind of get right to it.
  • 02:41So narcolepsy is a disorder that causes
  • 02:45a disabling level of daytime sleepiness.
  • 02:49Our understanding of the pathogenesis and
  • 02:52the clinical nature of narcolepsy has grown
  • 02:55exponentially in the last two decades.
  • 03:02During this talk.
  • 03:05I want to review the
  • 03:07pathophysiology of narcolepsy.
  • 03:08I'll outline the diagnostic
  • 03:11criteria of the disease.
  • 03:13Talk about prognosis and goals of treatment.
  • 03:16And review the recently updated
  • 03:18practice parameters of the ASM
  • 03:20for the treatment of narcolepsy,
  • 03:23which include novel drugs that have
  • 03:25recently been approved by the FDA.
  • 03:31So here is the obligatory disclosure slide.
  • 03:34I have no conflicts of interests.
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  • 03:53So I want to start with the case.
  • 03:56A young lady that I saw
  • 03:58as a brand new fellow.
  • 04:00Miss Ma is 19 years old and she presented
  • 04:03with excessive daytime sleepiness
  • 04:05and episodes of acute onset loss of
  • 04:09muscle tone that last less than a
  • 04:12minute and are triggered by laughter and joy.
  • 04:15These cataplexy episodes happen
  • 04:17almost on a daily basis.
  • 04:20She can sleep on demand.
  • 04:22Her Epworth Sleepiness Scale is 19.
  • 04:25She frequently misses social and family
  • 04:28events because of excessive sleepiness.
  • 04:31She must nap two to three hours in the
  • 04:34afternoon to function in the evening.
  • 04:36She schedules classes and
  • 04:38workshops around her naps.
  • 04:40If she doesn't nap,
  • 04:42she can have two to three cataplexy
  • 04:44episodes a day and her first
  • 04:47cataplexy episode was at age 13.
  • 04:49She has vivid dreams and excellent dream
  • 04:52recall after naps and she doesn't snore.
  • 04:59She had mononucleosis.
  • 05:00When she was a teenager,
  • 05:02she doesn't take any medication.
  • 05:04She does have a project and IUD in place.
  • 05:07She is a non smoker and drinks socially.
  • 05:09She is in college and works as
  • 05:12a waitress in the evenings.
  • 05:17On physical exam she has normal
  • 05:20vital signs for BMI is 23.3 and
  • 05:23she's oh and overall healthy female
  • 05:26with a normal physical exam.
  • 05:29Given her degree of sleepiness,
  • 05:31a PSG Ms Lt was ordered to work up
  • 05:33a hypersomnia of central origin.
  • 05:39This is the hypnogram from
  • 05:41her diagnostic polysomnogram.
  • 05:42We can see sleep stages at the top.
  • 05:47Followed by micro arousals,
  • 05:49the third graph depicts
  • 05:51Apneas and High Papias,
  • 05:53and finally her oxygen saturation levels.
  • 05:56Her total sleep time was 455 minutes
  • 05:59and her sleep efficiency was 91.6%.
  • 06:03Her sleep latency was reduced at 4.5 minutes.
  • 06:06Her REM latency was 5.5 minutes.
  • 06:09She had six R.E.M periods.
  • 06:11Her arousal an awakening
  • 06:12index was 15 an hour.
  • 06:14There was no evidence of sleep
  • 06:17disordered breathing or periodic limb
  • 06:19movements of sleep and her oxygen levels
  • 06:22were normal throughout the night.
  • 06:27She had a multiple sleep latency
  • 06:29test the following day where she
  • 06:32had three opportunities to nap.
  • 06:34She slept during all Maps
  • 06:35and her mean sleep latency.
  • 06:37Her average mean sleep latency for
  • 06:40these naps was 1.5 minutes and
  • 06:42as you can see in the hypnogram,
  • 06:45she had sleep onset REM periods or
  • 06:48saw ramps during all three naps.
  • 06:51A sorum is a ramp period that occurs
  • 06:53within 15 minutes of sleep onset,
  • 06:56including the sleep onset REM period that
  • 06:59she had on the PSG on the prior night.
  • 07:02She had a total of four saw reps.
  • 07:06Given her clinical findings of excessive
  • 07:08daytime sleepiness and cataplexy,
  • 07:09as well as her PSG MSL T findings
  • 07:12of mean sleep latency of less than
  • 07:148 minutes and two or more storms,
  • 07:17she was diagnosed diagnosed
  • 07:19with narcolepsy Type 1.
  • 07:24As a brand new sleep fellow,
  • 07:25I was very excited about this case.
  • 07:27She was the first patient with
  • 07:29narcolepsy I ever took care of.
  • 07:32I wondered how much I could
  • 07:34improve her symptoms.
  • 07:35I wondered what her prognosis was.
  • 07:37What are the therapeutic options
  • 07:39for patients with narcolepsy
  • 07:41and what would be the best
  • 07:43treatment specifically for her?
  • 07:45What are the goals of therapy
  • 07:47when treating these patients?
  • 07:53As I learned about the disease,
  • 07:55I came across this case report
  • 07:58written in 1906 by Doctor Rogers.
  • 08:01And he, when he describes narcolepsy,
  • 08:03he writes. By narcolepsy I wish
  • 08:06you to understand a condition.
  • 08:09In which a patient with almost
  • 08:12lightning like rapidity false
  • 08:14into a sleep of short duration,
  • 08:16the condition not being one of epilepsy.
  • 08:23Narcolepsy is characterized by
  • 08:26daytime sleepiness, cataplexy,
  • 08:27and striking transitions from wakefulness
  • 08:31into rapid eye movement sleep.
  • 08:34It nearly always has profound
  • 08:36and potentially disabling
  • 08:38effects on affected patients.
  • 08:40The incidence is anywhere
  • 08:42from 20 to 67 per 100,000,
  • 08:45and the ICS definition of narcolepsy
  • 08:48states that the subject must have
  • 08:51periods during the daytime in which
  • 08:54there is an irrepressible need to
  • 08:57sleep or actual lapses into sleep.
  • 09:00Occurring for at least three
  • 09:02months on a daily basis.
  • 09:09In 1998, the CIA and colleagues
  • 09:11identified a gene expressed in neurons
  • 09:14in the paraventricular hypothalamus,
  • 09:16which encoded for a proprotein
  • 09:18precursor of two peptides that had
  • 09:21features of neurotransmitters.
  • 09:23Due to its hypothalamic expression
  • 09:25pattern and the similarity of the
  • 09:28peptide sequences to members of
  • 09:30the Incretin family of hormones.
  • 09:32It was named the hypocretin gene.
  • 09:35Its function was unknown.
  • 09:37One month later,
  • 09:39Sacchari identified two peptides in
  • 09:41the lateral and posterior hypothalamus,
  • 09:44a brain region implicating
  • 09:46in promoting feeding.
  • 09:48They called these peptides or
  • 09:50X and a an erection B from the
  • 09:53Greek word orexis for appetite.
  • 09:55These two groups simultaneously
  • 09:57discovered the same neurotransmitter
  • 09:58and gave it different names.
  • 10:00I will use hypocretin,
  • 10:02anorex and interchangeably
  • 10:03throughout my talk.
  • 10:08A year later. Chameli showed that
  • 10:11orexin knockout mice exhibited behavior
  • 10:13similar to humans with narcolepsy.
  • 10:16The scientists documented frequent
  • 10:18episodes of periods that what they called
  • 10:21behavioral arrests in ereckson null
  • 10:24mice using infrared video photography.
  • 10:27As mice are active at night
  • 10:30and sleep during the day.
  • 10:33This graph depicts data for
  • 10:35individual knockout mice,
  • 10:36designated A through eye on the Y access.
  • 10:40The columns represent the total
  • 10:42number of episodes of behavioral
  • 10:44arrest recorded in the first four
  • 10:46hours after onset of darkness,
  • 10:48and the measurements are depicted
  • 10:51in the X axis to the left.
  • 10:53The filled circles represent the mean
  • 10:56duration of all reported episodes.
  • 10:58The measurements depicted in
  • 11:00the X axis to the right.
  • 11:03The first column depicts the whole group,
  • 11:06which had a mean number of 17
  • 11:09behavioral arrests in four hours,
  • 11:11lasting about 60 seconds.
  • 11:13That same year,
  • 11:15a group in Stanford University showed
  • 11:17that a heritable form of canine
  • 11:19narcolepsy is due to a mutation in
  • 11:21the hypocretin receptor 2 gene.
  • 11:27Soon after, researchers found that
  • 11:29narcolepsy is caused by a highly
  • 11:31selective and severe loss of the
  • 11:33hypocretin neurons that results
  • 11:35in low levels of hypocretin in the
  • 11:37brain and the cerebral spinal fluid.
  • 11:40I know this is a busy slide,
  • 11:42but I wanted to show you in this study
  • 11:45hypocretin was measured in the CSF of
  • 11:48nine people with narcolepsy an 8 controls.
  • 11:51The first nine rows in this table depict
  • 11:53data for the narcoleptic patients.
  • 11:56As you can see in the column to the far
  • 11:58left seven of nine narcoleptic patients
  • 12:01had hypocretin concentrations that were
  • 12:04below the detection limit of the essay
  • 12:06compared to normal levels in the controls.
  • 12:12So how do orexin neurons maintain wake?
  • 12:17Depicted in the figure and dark blue,
  • 12:20these neurons excite various wake,
  • 12:22promoting neurons,
  • 12:23including those in the cortex.
  • 12:25Basil, forebrain, tubero,
  • 12:27mammillary nucleus,
  • 12:27the jungle of pontine and
  • 12:30lateral dorsal tegmental nucleus,
  • 12:32dorsal Rath and Locust arulius.
  • 12:34They heavily innervate several regions that
  • 12:37promote arousal and suppress REM sleep,
  • 12:39but maintaining weight is not the
  • 12:43only function of orexin neurons.
  • 12:46These neurons are influenced by input
  • 12:49signals related to sleep wake states,
  • 12:52circadian phase, motivational cues,
  • 12:54and visceral cues such as hunger or thirst,
  • 12:57and they innervate many brain regions.
  • 13:01Their activity will ultimately result
  • 13:04in long periods of wakefulness,
  • 13:07suppression and regulation of REM sleep,
  • 13:10enhanced responses to rewards,
  • 13:12increased locomotion,
  • 13:13and increased autonomic tone.
  • 13:18But going back to the fact that narcolepsy
  • 13:21is caused by the loss of orexin neurons.
  • 13:25What causes this loss is
  • 13:27destruction of these neurons.
  • 13:29The first clue for an autoimmune disease
  • 13:32etiology and narcolepsy was observed
  • 13:35in the 1980s when a strong Association
  • 13:38with HLA D R2 haplotype was discovered.
  • 13:41Narcolepsy type One has the
  • 13:44tightest HLA link in any disease.
  • 13:46With the class 2D QB,
  • 13:4810602 allele conferring an increase
  • 13:51of an increased risk of 200
  • 13:54fold of acquiring the disease.
  • 13:56In those Houma Sigusr for this allele,
  • 13:59the risk is doubled compared
  • 14:01to that of heterozygous.
  • 14:07In 2009 to 2010, a striking increase in
  • 14:11narcolepsy cases was seen in Northern Europe,
  • 14:15especially in children.
  • 14:16This increase was quickly traced
  • 14:19back to a widespread vaccination
  • 14:22campaign against H1N1 Influenza,
  • 14:24A that used a vaccine brand called Pandemrix.
  • 14:30A meta analysis by Sarkan and included
  • 14:33eleven studies that evaluated the risk
  • 14:35of narcolepsy or the number of narcolepsy
  • 14:39cases after Pandemrix vaccination.
  • 14:41During the first year after vaccination,
  • 14:44the relative risk of
  • 14:45narcolepsy was increased.
  • 14:465 to 14 fold in children and adolescents
  • 14:49and two to seven fold in adults.
  • 14:52In the countries where the
  • 14:54Pandemrix vaccine was widely used.
  • 14:59The most likely culprit,
  • 15:02immune mediator of narcolepsy is
  • 15:05likely CD 4T cell activation.
  • 15:08This is a proposed model of T cell
  • 15:12mediated killing of orexin neurons.
  • 15:15An antigen presenting cell. Purple.
  • 15:19First takes up a pathogen and
  • 15:22presents fragments of pathogen
  • 15:24proteins to a naive CD 4T cell.
  • 15:30Seen here in light blue.
  • 15:32It does this using a major
  • 15:35histocompatibility complex Class 2 molecule.
  • 15:38Perhaps the QB 10602?
  • 15:40The naive CD 4T cells secrete
  • 15:43cytokines to help clear the infection.
  • 15:47Memory CD4T cells are formed
  • 15:50from that initial infection.
  • 15:52And then these activated memory CD4T
  • 15:55cells cross recognized fragments of
  • 15:58prepro orexin with the pathogen peptide
  • 16:01and secrete cytokines that promote
  • 16:04destruction of the orexin neurons.
  • 16:07We have learned so much
  • 16:10about narcolepsy Type 1.
  • 16:12But what about narcolepsy Type 2?
  • 16:15This remains one of the largest mysteries.
  • 16:19Besides a lack of cataplexy,
  • 16:21the symptoms of narcolepsy Type 2 are
  • 16:24similar to those of narcolepsy type one.
  • 16:27CSF ereckson levels are usually normal.
  • 16:30It may be caused by a modest
  • 16:33loss of erection, neurons,
  • 16:35or a completely different process.
  • 16:37Almost nothing is known
  • 16:39about its neuropathology.
  • 16:41Moving from pathophysiology
  • 16:44to clinical features.
  • 16:47Narcolepsy falls into the category of the
  • 16:51Central disorders of Hypersomnolence.
  • 16:54These include narcolepsy,
  • 16:55type one narcolepsy,
  • 16:56Type 2 and idiopathic hypersomnia,
  • 16:58which I will refer to as IH.
  • 17:04The common clinical feature among
  • 17:06these is severe sleepiness,
  • 17:08despite normal quality and timing of sleep.
  • 17:12Cataplexy practically defines narcolepsy
  • 17:14type one, and is absent in narcolepsy.
  • 17:18Type 2 and IH. Sleep paralysis and sleep.
  • 17:24Hallucinations are more
  • 17:25common in narcolepsy type one,
  • 17:27but can be seen in narcolepsy.
  • 17:30Type 2 and IH.
  • 17:33Fragmented nocturnal sleep is much
  • 17:36more characteristic of narcolepsy
  • 17:38and not typically seen in IH.
  • 17:41REM sleep behavior disorder an REM
  • 17:43without a tonia are seen in more than
  • 17:46half of narcolepsy type one patients
  • 17:48and in some patients with narcolepsy.
  • 17:50Type 2.
  • 17:53Sleep drunkenness is rarely
  • 17:54seen in narcolepsy type one,
  • 17:56sometimes seen in narcolepsy type
  • 17:582 and is almost a hallmark in IH.
  • 18:04Long nocturnal sleep times are seen
  • 18:06in less than 20% of patients with
  • 18:08narcolepsy, but are very common in IH.
  • 18:13Naps are usually short and
  • 18:16refreshing in narcoleptics,
  • 18:17unlike in patients with idiopathic
  • 18:19hypersomnia that have unrefreshing naps.
  • 18:24But going back to the phenomenon of
  • 18:28cataplexy, as I previously mentioned,
  • 18:31this basically defines narcolepsy Type 1.
  • 18:36The cataplexy episodes generally start
  • 18:38with weakness in the neck or facial
  • 18:41muscles before descending paralysis of
  • 18:43voluntary muscles ensues over a few seconds.
  • 18:46This happens usually in the
  • 18:48context of an emotional stimulus.
  • 18:50Usually a positive emotions
  • 18:52such as joy or laughter.
  • 18:54This picture illustrates the
  • 18:56proposed mechanism of cataplexy.
  • 18:58So the blue lines indicate
  • 19:00activation of a neural pathway.
  • 19:02The red lines indicate an inhibitory
  • 19:05pathway and the dotted lines
  • 19:07reflect lack of normal neural
  • 19:10activity resulting from hypocretin
  • 19:12deficiency due to narcolepsy Type 1.
  • 19:14So positive emotions are processed
  • 19:17in the prefrontal cortex,
  • 19:19with activation of both the amygdala
  • 19:22and hypocretin containing neurons
  • 19:24within the lateral hypothalamus.
  • 19:26In the absense of hypocretin neurons,
  • 19:29there is reduced activity in brain
  • 19:33regions that inhibit REM sleep.
  • 19:36Causing increased activity in neurons.
  • 19:38Promoting REM sleep atonia.
  • 19:41Motor neurons are inhibited,
  • 19:43and then cataplexy ensues.
  • 19:49Moving on to the clinical classification.
  • 19:51As I previously mentioned,
  • 19:52narcolepsy falls into the Group of
  • 19:55Central Disorders of Hypersomnolence
  • 19:56and it is then divided into narcolepsy,
  • 19:59type one and narcolepsy Type 2.
  • 20:02With cataplexy and CSF hypocretin
  • 20:05deficiency differentiating
  • 20:06narcolepsy type one from Type 2.
  • 20:12These are the criteria for diagnosis
  • 20:15for not narcolepsy from the Icst 3.
  • 20:18For narcolepsy type one, one or both of
  • 20:22the following criteria should be met.
  • 20:25The CSF hypocretin one concentration
  • 20:27should be less than 110 picograms
  • 20:30per ML or less than 1/3 of mean
  • 20:34values obtained in normal subjects.
  • 20:372nd. The presence of cataplexy with
  • 20:41the mean sleep latency of less than
  • 20:448 minutes with two or more sleep
  • 20:47onset REM periods seen on PSG MSL T.
  • 20:50For narcolepsy type 2.
  • 20:52All four of the following criteria
  • 20:55need to be met met.
  • 20:56A mean sleep latency of less than 8
  • 21:00minutes with two or more storms seen
  • 21:02on PSG MSL T. Cataplexy is absent.
  • 21:05Either hypocretin and CSF has not
  • 21:08been measured, or if it has been,
  • 21:11the level is over 110 picograms per
  • 21:13ML or over a third of the normal
  • 21:17value and last hypersomnolence and
  • 21:19the MSL T findings are not better
  • 21:21explained by other causes such
  • 21:23as short sleeve shift work,
  • 21:25sleep disorder,
  • 21:26breathing medications or other substances.
  • 21:31A brief word on CSF sampling and HLA testing.
  • 21:37HLA DQ B 10602 positive ITI is 92100% in
  • 21:41patients that have definite cataplexy,
  • 21:43but it decreases with atypical
  • 21:45cataplexy or in patients that
  • 21:48don't have cataplexy do about 40%.
  • 21:50It's important to keep in mind that
  • 21:53about 20% of the general population
  • 21:56who does not have cataplexy carried
  • 21:59the exact same HLA subtype,
  • 22:01so HLA testing should not be
  • 22:04used to diagnose narcolepsy.
  • 22:07Measuring hypocretin levels can
  • 22:08provide a definitive diagnosis.
  • 22:10In the right clinical context,
  • 22:12but it is not always necessary to
  • 22:14measure the hypocretin levels.
  • 22:16If you have cataplexy in the
  • 22:18characteristic PSG MSL T findings.
  • 22:21Low hypocretin levels are diagnostic
  • 22:23for type One narcolepsy,
  • 22:25but normal levels don't rule out the disease.
  • 22:30I want to talk about goals of treatment.
  • 22:33So even on optimal conventional treatment,
  • 22:36it is rare to fully normalize the sleep
  • 22:39wake cycle of narcoleptic subjects.
  • 22:42A major objective of treatment
  • 22:44of narcolepsy is, of course,
  • 22:46to alleviate daytime sleepiness.
  • 22:49Other goals include controlling cataplexy,
  • 22:51hypnagogic hallucinations,
  • 22:52and sleep paralysis when they're
  • 22:54present in troublesome to patients,
  • 22:56but the ultimate goal should be to produce
  • 22:59the fullest possible return of normal
  • 23:02function for patients at work at school,
  • 23:05at home, and socially.
  • 23:09I would like to review the guidelines
  • 23:12and recommendations from the practice
  • 23:15parameters for the treatment of
  • 23:17narcolepsy and other hypersomnia
  • 23:19of central or origin from the ASM.
  • 23:22And this just in an update of these
  • 23:26guidelines was published on April 23rd.
  • 23:29It includes some of the tried and true
  • 23:32medications from the old practices
  • 23:34guidelines that had been published in 2007,
  • 23:37as well as novel therapies approved
  • 23:39by the FDA in the last five years.
  • 23:47Let's start with Modafinil.
  • 23:49Which is recommended for treatment
  • 23:51of daytime sleepiness and narcolepsy?
  • 23:54It acts as an atypical, selective
  • 23:57and weak dopamine reuptake inhibitor,
  • 23:59which indirectly activates the release
  • 24:01of orexin and histamine from the lateral
  • 24:04hypothalamus into bruh mammillary nucleus.
  • 24:06In amid analysis of over 1000 patients
  • 24:10with narcolepsy type one and Type 2.
  • 24:13Patients who received Modafinil at doses
  • 24:15of 200 to 600 milligrams a day had
  • 24:19decreased essm by two point 73 points
  • 24:22had increased, mean sleep latency,
  • 24:24latency on maintenance of,
  • 24:26wakefulness, testing by two point,
  • 24:2882 minutes and had a decrease in number
  • 24:31and duration of severe somnolence episodes,
  • 24:34sleep attacks and naps.
  • 24:37Common adverse reactions include headache,
  • 24:39nausea, diarrhea,
  • 24:40dizziness, anxiety,
  • 24:41dyspepsia and important to note,
  • 24:44decreased efficacy of oral contraceptives.
  • 24:46Patients should be advised to use
  • 24:49barrier or mechanical methods of
  • 24:52contraception when taking Modafinil.
  • 24:54The approved recommended dose of Modafinil
  • 24:57is 200 to 400 milligrams once daily,
  • 25:00but studies indicate that the use
  • 25:02of a split dose strategy provides
  • 25:04better control of daytime sleepiness
  • 25:06than a single daily dose.
  • 25:12This study by Schwartz was designed to
  • 25:14determine if a split dose of Modafinil
  • 25:16would be more effective than a single
  • 25:18morning dose for reducing sleepiness
  • 25:20in the late afternoon and evening.
  • 25:24Patients were randomized to take
  • 25:26200 milligrams of Modafinil,
  • 25:28a day, 400 milligrams.
  • 25:30400 milligram split dose 200
  • 25:32and 200 or 600 milligrams split.
  • 25:35400 and 200.
  • 25:37The split doses produced significantly
  • 25:39greater mean improvements from baseline
  • 25:42and sleep latency during make MWT than
  • 25:46the 200 milligrams once daily regimen.
  • 25:49There were significant improvements
  • 25:51in clinical condition measured
  • 25:53by clinical global impression of
  • 25:55change scale with respect to evening
  • 25:57sleepiness and the higher once daily
  • 25:59dose and split dose regiments,
  • 26:00then the 200 milligram once daily dose.
  • 26:04No serious adverse events were reported.
  • 26:09Armodafinil is a longer acting
  • 26:12enantiomer of Modafinil.
  • 26:14A study by harsh comparing our
  • 26:17medicinal 150 milligram dose 250
  • 26:19milligram dose and placebo showed
  • 26:21significantly increased mean sleep
  • 26:24latency and maintenance of wakefulness.
  • 26:26Testing with armodafinil compared to placebo.
  • 26:29There was improved overall
  • 26:31clinical condition, memory,
  • 26:33attention and fatigue and the most
  • 26:36common adverse events were headache,
  • 26:38nausea and dizziness.
  • 26:43Sodium oxybate or zeiram.
  • 26:45His recommended for the treatment
  • 26:47of cataplexy daytime sleepiness and
  • 26:50disrupted sleep due to narcolepsy.
  • 26:53It is a sodium salt of gamma hydroxybutyrate,
  • 26:56an endogenous metabolite of GABA.
  • 27:00It was the first medication to treat
  • 27:02both Cardinal symptoms of narcolepsy.
  • 27:04Excessive daytime sleepiness and cataplexy.
  • 27:07It has a short half life and so
  • 27:09it must be given in divided doses.
  • 27:11It's given at bedtime and
  • 27:12then two to four hours later.
  • 27:15The starting dose is 4.5 grams and then
  • 27:17you increase .5 to 1 gram per night,
  • 27:19every one to two weeks to a
  • 27:21maximum dose of 9 grams per night.
  • 27:24The prescription of sodium oxybate
  • 27:26requires registration and training
  • 27:27and distribution to the patient is
  • 27:30all made through a central pharmacy.
  • 27:32It's known as the **** **** drug.
  • 27:34The compound has a very poor,
  • 27:36but not necessarily deserved
  • 27:38public reputation.
  • 27:39It is easily synthesized and
  • 27:41has been used recreationally.
  • 27:43Side effects include confusion,
  • 27:45enuresis and sleepwalking.
  • 27:52In a study by the Xyron
  • 27:55Multi Center Study Group,
  • 27:57136 patients were randomized to
  • 28:00receive sodium oxybate at doses of
  • 28:04369 grams or placebo for four weeks.
  • 28:07Compared to placebo weekly,
  • 28:09cataplexy attacks were decreased by
  • 28:12sodium oxybate at the six gram dose
  • 28:15and significantly at the 9 gram dose.
  • 28:17The Epworth Sleepiness Scale
  • 28:19was reduced at all doses,
  • 28:21becoming significant at the 9 gram dose.
  • 28:25And the clinical global impression of
  • 28:27change scale demonstrated a dose related
  • 28:30improvement significant at the 9 gram dose.
  • 28:37That same group did a study three
  • 28:39years later in which they assess
  • 28:41the efficacy of sodium oxybate
  • 28:43for the treatment of narcolepsy,
  • 28:45with an emphasis on excessive
  • 28:47daytime sleepiness.
  • 28:48228 patients were randomized to take
  • 28:53sodium oxybate at doses of 4.569
  • 28:57grams or placebo for eight weeks.
  • 29:00The 9 gram of sodium oxybate nightly
  • 29:03group had significant median increase of
  • 29:05mean sleep latency over 10 minutes in
  • 29:08the maintenance of wakefulness testing.
  • 29:10Dose related decreases in
  • 29:12median upward sleepiness,
  • 29:14scale and frequency of weekly
  • 29:16inadvertent naps were seen.
  • 29:18And there were significant
  • 29:20improvements in the clinical global
  • 29:22impression of change scale in the
  • 29:24groups treated with sodium oxybate.
  • 29:29So this is not included in the guidelines,
  • 29:31but I thought it was important to mention it.
  • 29:34Siwave is a calcium, magnesium,
  • 29:37potassium and sodium oxybate.
  • 29:39Formulation that has 92%
  • 29:41less sodium than sirem.
  • 29:43It was approved by the FDA in July
  • 29:472020 for the treatment of narcolepsy
  • 29:50and patients age 7 or older.
  • 29:52A dose of 9 grams of sirem has
  • 29:55over 1600 milligrams of sodium,
  • 29:58where the recommended daily intake
  • 30:00is about 1500 to 2300 milligrams.
  • 30:04In a multicenter study of 201
  • 30:07patients comparing zywave to placebo.
  • 30:11There was statistically significant
  • 30:12reductions in the weekly number
  • 30:14of cataplexy attacks and upward
  • 30:16sleepiness scales.
  • 30:19This medication is still given in
  • 30:21two nightly doses and the price
  • 30:24is also compatible to xyron.
  • 30:25The main reason to choose one
  • 30:28over the other is really just
  • 30:30the reduced sodium intake.
  • 30:32The adverse effects of this
  • 30:35medication include headache, nausha,
  • 30:37dizziness, decreased appetite,
  • 30:39parasomnia diarrhea, hyperhidrosis,
  • 30:40anxiety and vomiting.
  • 30:45Amphetamines are recommended
  • 30:46for the treatment of daytime
  • 30:49sleepiness due to narcolepsy.
  • 30:51These medications increase
  • 30:53the release of dopamine,
  • 30:55norepinephrine, and serotonin.
  • 30:56Their wake promoting agents,
  • 30:58but also can reduce
  • 30:59cataplexy at higher doses.
  • 31:01They are available in slow or
  • 31:04extended release formulations
  • 31:05in randomized clinical trials.
  • 31:07Looking at afeta means and
  • 31:09narcolepsy show that they increase
  • 31:11mean sleep latency decrease.
  • 31:13Subjective sleepiness,
  • 31:14decreased driving errors,
  • 31:16and improve ability to stay awake on
  • 31:19maintenance of wakefulness testing.
  • 31:21The adverse effects include tachycardia,
  • 31:24hypertension,
  • 31:25palpitations and sweating.
  • 31:31Anti depressants such as tricyclic
  • 31:34antidepressants and selective
  • 31:35serotonin reuptake inhibitors,
  • 31:37have been used off label to treat cataplexy.
  • 31:44These medications are not included in
  • 31:46the current update, but I do think
  • 31:49it is important to review them.
  • 31:52These medications suppress REM sleep.
  • 31:56There was really limited evidence
  • 31:58supporting this recommendation
  • 31:59from the prior guidelines,
  • 32:01so recommendation was based on clinical
  • 32:04experience of Sleep specialist committee,
  • 32:06consensus case reports and case studies.
  • 32:09Important to mention that unlike
  • 32:11with anxiety or depression,
  • 32:13these medications are immediately
  • 32:16active on cataplexy.
  • 32:17We don't have to wait four to
  • 32:19six weeks to see their effects.
  • 32:21It is important to note that
  • 32:24rebound cataplexy can happen with
  • 32:26abrupt cessation of treatment.
  • 32:32So behavioral interventions
  • 32:33can help symptom management.
  • 32:35Scheduled naps can be beneficial
  • 32:38to combat sleepiness,
  • 32:39but it seldom is enough.
  • 32:42Wake promoting agents are needed.
  • 32:45Good sleep hygiene.
  • 32:47Keeping a regular sleep schedule,
  • 32:49avoiding alcohol and
  • 32:50sedatives is recommended.
  • 32:52And accident prevention and
  • 32:53safe driving are important,
  • 32:55particularly in those patients
  • 32:56operating heavy machinery or
  • 32:58who work in transportation.
  • 33:01I would like to move on to novel therapies.
  • 33:05These have been approved by
  • 33:06the FDA in the last five years
  • 33:09and are now in the guidelines.
  • 33:14Patala St tradename Wakix was approved
  • 33:17by the FDA on Aug 2019 for excessive
  • 33:21daytime sleepiness and on October 2020
  • 33:24for cataplexy in adults with narcolepsy.
  • 33:27It is an inverse agonist of the
  • 33:31histamine three autoreceptor.
  • 33:33As seen in the figure and label,
  • 33:35one petola St binds to the H3 receptor
  • 33:38and blocks inhibition of histamine
  • 33:40synthesis in the presynaptic neuron.
  • 33:43This causes increased histamine synthesis
  • 33:45and release of histamine into the synapse.
  • 33:47As you can see in Label 2.
  • 33:51And then histamine binds to postsynaptic
  • 33:53H1 receptors which then modulates the
  • 33:55release of various transmitters that are
  • 33:58involved in weight promotion promotion.
  • 34:00Sorry, such as dopamine,
  • 34:02noradrenaline, and ask the deal colon.
  • 34:10The Harmony One trial compared
  • 34:13Petola sent Modafinil and placebo
  • 34:15in adults with narcolepsy,
  • 34:17with and without cataplexy.
  • 34:19The primary endpoint was Epworth
  • 34:22Sleepiness score compared to baseline
  • 34:25after eight weeks of treatment.
  • 34:27There was improvement in ESS and mean
  • 34:30sleep latency in MWT in all patrol
  • 34:34ascent groups compared to placebo.
  • 34:36I do have to note that Tillerson did
  • 34:39not demonstrate noninferiority with
  • 34:40respect to definitely on this trial.
  • 34:45A subsequent trial,
  • 34:47the Harmony CTP trial compared
  • 34:49to to listen and placebo with
  • 34:52the primary outcome of change,
  • 34:54and weekly cataplexy attacks from baseline.
  • 34:58It included adults with narcolepsy with
  • 35:01three or more weekly cataplexy attacks.
  • 35:05As you can see in the figure,
  • 35:07the patrol Ascent group in blue,
  • 35:09in the placebo group in red.
  • 35:11Catullus and was associated with significant
  • 35:15improvement in cataplexy attacks compared
  • 35:17to placebo after seven weeks of treatment.
  • 35:20In the Petola Sync Group,
  • 35:23the weekly cataplexy attacks
  • 35:25went from nine point 15 to 2.27,
  • 35:28compared to 7.31 to 4.52
  • 35:31in the placebo group.
  • 35:33Secondary outcomes included decrease
  • 35:35an upward sleepiness scale and
  • 35:37increase in mean sleep latency
  • 35:39in maintenance of wakefulness.
  • 35:40Testing in the patrol said group.
  • 35:44Adverse effects include insomnia,
  • 35:46headache, nausha,
  • 35:47an anxiety.
  • 35:52A titration schedule is usually
  • 35:55recommended when starting pitolisant.
  • 35:57You start at 8.9 milligrams upon
  • 36:00awakening for a week and then
  • 36:03increase to 17.8 milligrams.
  • 36:05If needed after a week you could
  • 36:08increase to 35.6 milligrams,
  • 36:10just like with Modafinil patrol
  • 36:12ascent may reduce the effectiveness
  • 36:14of hormonal contraceptives,
  • 36:15it prolongs the cutie interval,
  • 36:18and it is contraindicated in patients
  • 36:20with renal and hepatic impairment.
  • 36:27The FDA approved Solarian fatal brand
  • 36:29names to know C for the treatment of
  • 36:32excessive daytime sleepiness and adults
  • 36:35with narcolepsy or obstructive sleep apnea.
  • 36:38In March 2019, it is a dopamine and
  • 36:42norepinephrine reuptake inhibitor.
  • 36:43It is indicated at a once daily
  • 36:46dose of 75 or 150 milligrams.
  • 36:49Pawn awakening, and adverse effects
  • 36:52of this medication include headache,
  • 36:54decreased appetite, anxiety.
  • 36:56Dry mouth or palpitations?
  • 37:02In a phase three, double blind placebo
  • 37:05controlled trial adults with type one
  • 37:08and Type 2 narcolepsy were randomized
  • 37:11to take sorry on petola doses of
  • 37:1475150 or 300 milligrams or placebo.
  • 37:16The primary endpoints of the study
  • 37:19were changed compared to mean sleep
  • 37:22latency on maintenance of wakefulness
  • 37:24testing and upward sleepiness score.
  • 37:27There was increased in the men sleep
  • 37:30latency on MWT at the 150 and 300 milligram
  • 37:34doses of sinoussi compared to placebo.
  • 37:37There was also improved effort sleepiness
  • 37:40scores seen at all doses compared to placebo.
  • 37:45And there was improvement on the
  • 37:47clinical global impression of change
  • 37:49score at all doses compared to placebo.
  • 37:55Here is a summary of recommendations
  • 37:58in adult populations for the
  • 38:00treatment of narcolepsy from
  • 38:02the updated ASM guidelines.
  • 38:05As you can see, Medef,
  • 38:06Anil Catullus and sodium oxybate,
  • 38:08Ansel Rhian fatal are strongly recommended
  • 38:11for the treatment of narcolepsy.
  • 38:13The tallest and an sodium oxybate are
  • 38:16strongly recommended to treat both
  • 38:19excessive daytime sleepiness and cataplexy.
  • 38:21Dextroamphetamine can also be
  • 38:23used to treat excessive daytime
  • 38:25sleepiness and cataplexy.
  • 38:31Moving on to investigational drugs.
  • 38:38FT 218 is a controlled release formulation
  • 38:41of sodium oxybate which requires a
  • 38:43single dose at night compared to
  • 38:46the two dose regimen currently used.
  • 38:48The rest on trial assessed safety
  • 38:51and efficacy of FT 218 and treatment
  • 38:54of excessive daytime sleepiness
  • 38:56and cataplexy and narcolepsy.
  • 38:59Patients received FT 218 at
  • 39:02doses of 4.5 grams, 6 grams,
  • 39:057.5 grams, 9 grams or placebo.
  • 39:09There was an increase in sleep
  • 39:12latency in MWT and the FT.
  • 39:14218 groups compared to placebo.
  • 39:17The mean weekly cataplexy attacks
  • 39:19were reduced in the treatment group,
  • 39:21and there was improvement in clinical
  • 39:23status assessed by the clinical
  • 39:25global impression of change scale.
  • 39:27It has been granted orphan drug
  • 39:29designation from the FDA for
  • 39:30treatment of narcolepsy and is
  • 39:32pending full FDA approval.
  • 39:37Reboxetine which is not
  • 39:39approved in the United States,
  • 39:41is a norepinephrine reuptake
  • 39:43inhibitor originally developed
  • 39:45for treatment of depression.
  • 39:47The concert trial was conducted in the
  • 39:50US in 2019, looking at reboxetine for
  • 39:54treatment of cataplexy in narcolepsy.
  • 39:5721 patients with narcolepsy type.
  • 40:00One received reboxetine for two weeks
  • 40:03and placebo for two weeks separated by
  • 40:06one week of down titration and washout.
  • 40:10There was a significant reduction of
  • 40:12cataplexy attacks per week in the reboxetine.
  • 40:15Group.
  • 40:15There was significantly improved
  • 40:17excessive daytime sleepiness
  • 40:19symptoms compared to placebo,
  • 40:21as measured by upward sleepiness
  • 40:23for an 5 frequency of inadvertent
  • 40:25naps and there was improved
  • 40:27cognitive cognitive function.
  • 40:29Improve sleep quality production,
  • 40:30and sleep paralysis episodes
  • 40:32and hypnagogic hallucinations.
  • 40:37Other drugs being investigated.
  • 40:39The combination of Modafinil and flecainide
  • 40:42for excessive daytime sleepiness in
  • 40:45narcolepsy and Parkinson's disease.
  • 40:48The antiarrhythmic flecainide enhances
  • 40:50wake promoting effects of Modafinil through
  • 40:53inhibition of astroglial connections.
  • 40:56Some melicent which is a histamine
  • 40:59three receptor inverse agonist,
  • 41:01has demonstrated wake promoting an
  • 41:04anti cat affective effects in rodents.
  • 41:08And there are two hypocretin,
  • 41:10two receptor selective agonist Tak
  • 41:12925 with which is a subcutaneous
  • 41:15preparation and tag 994 which is
  • 41:18an oral preparation that have shown
  • 41:21to increase wakefulness and reduce
  • 41:23cataplexy like episodes in mouse models.
  • 41:30So going back to my patient Miss Ma.
  • 41:34I decided to prescribe it to listen for
  • 41:37excessive daytime sleepiness and cataplexy,
  • 41:40as she was leery of starting sodium oxybate.
  • 41:44I initially prescribed
  • 41:45methylphenidate and asked her to
  • 41:47continue with her scheduled naps.
  • 41:49While we waited for insurance approval.
  • 41:52This drug, of course,
  • 41:54was denied by insurance and
  • 41:56after lengthy discussions she
  • 41:58agreed to start sodium oxybate.
  • 42:01She was titrated to 3.75 grams twice nightly.
  • 42:06And her upward sleepiness
  • 42:08scale went from 19 to 5.
  • 42:12For weekly cataplexy attacks
  • 42:13that were seven to 10 per week.
  • 42:16Where is zero in two months?
  • 42:19She rarely needs to nap during
  • 42:21the day she is in college.
  • 42:23She plays softball and does trap.
  • 42:26She is now able to attend more
  • 42:28family and social events.
  • 42:33I would like to finish with a couple
  • 42:36of take home points to summarize.
  • 42:38Although the cause of narcolepsy
  • 42:40is not completely understood,
  • 42:42it is increasingly evident that
  • 42:45it is an autoimmune disease.
  • 42:47The search for characteristic. I'm sorry.
  • 42:57The search for characteristic narcolepsy
  • 43:00autoantibodies has not been successful with
  • 43:03no autoantibodies consistently found yet.
  • 43:13I apologize.
  • 43:22Can everybody see my screen?
  • 43:30Yeah, but the slide is frozen.
  • 43:33OK. Can you see it now?
  • 43:37Yep, Yep Yep, OK, thank you.
  • 43:41But delay in diagnosis or
  • 43:43misdiagnosis may occur with
  • 43:45significant consequences to patients.
  • 43:50And the goal of treatment should be
  • 43:52to produce the fullest possible return
  • 43:55of normal function for patients.
  • 43:59Although tremendous progress has been
  • 44:01made in the treatment of narcolepsy,
  • 44:04it still remains symptomatic and there
  • 44:06is so much to learn about this disease.
  • 44:12I want to thank Doctor Mosen
  • 44:14in for encouraging me to take
  • 44:16this patient under my care.
  • 44:18Ann for precepting me
  • 44:19during her initial visit,
  • 44:21Doctor Tapawai consulted multiple times
  • 44:23when making management decisions.
  • 44:25As well as Doctor Tobias and
  • 44:26Doctor Miner who gave me advice
  • 44:28when putting together this talk.
  • 44:30And of course Miss Ma,
  • 44:31who allowed me to care for her
  • 44:33and learn so much from her.
  • 44:35Thank you.
  • 44:51I'd be happy to take any
  • 44:53questions if there are so.
  • 44:54Are there any questions?
  • 44:56Let's see there's.
  • 44:57I think there's something in the chat.
  • 45:00I have one there overheat high. Go ahead,
  • 45:06OK. I thought the chat
  • 45:08questions will be covered.
  • 45:10Then there was a terrific presentation
  • 45:13on a coverage of the whole.
  • 45:16Field, including the new one.
  • 45:18Drugs around the corner.
  • 45:20Could you comment on the
  • 45:23sensitivity of MSL T?
  • 45:24As you know, it's is the gold standard,
  • 45:28but then has issues with
  • 45:31perhaps false negative results.
  • 45:33And how do you handle those type of cases?
  • 45:38Yeah, it's it's really kind of I.
  • 45:40I can't remember off the top
  • 45:42of my head the exact number in
  • 45:45terms of sensitivity of MSL T,
  • 45:47but it's really not a great test.
  • 45:50You have to take into account the whole
  • 45:53clinical context and also be sure to
  • 45:56rule out other reasons why we could
  • 45:58have MSL T findings that could give
  • 46:01us a false positive for narcolepsy.
  • 46:04Things like sleep deprivation,
  • 46:06medications and substances could kind
  • 46:09of taint the results of the MSLT,
  • 46:11so it's really not a great break test.
  • 46:15It's important to take everything
  • 46:18else into clinical context.
  • 46:21Yeah,
  • 46:21it's sometimes difficult to
  • 46:23differentiate type two with the
  • 46:26idiopathic hypersomnia if there may
  • 46:27be a lot of overlaps as far as their
  • 46:31presentation sensitivity for MSL T,
  • 46:33the first time is around 70%,
  • 46:36so you tend to get like 30% negative
  • 46:39or could be false negative rate, which
  • 46:42is a pretty significant
  • 46:44number, you know, yeah.
  • 46:47That was a great
  • 46:49talk. Glenda, thank you.
  • 46:51Thank you. Yeah. So Glenda,
  • 46:53we frequently see in in clinics,
  • 46:56patients who are in their early 20s.
  • 46:59They look like they have narcolepsy.
  • 47:01They give a great history but they
  • 47:04are on antidepressants and when
  • 47:07we study them with an MSLT the
  • 47:09results do not support a diagnosis
  • 47:12of narcolepsy because they're
  • 47:14on our REM suppressing agent.
  • 47:17How do you think we should
  • 47:19handle patients like that?
  • 47:21Well, I mean. Like I mentioned always,
  • 47:24ideally in an ideal world we would
  • 47:26have them stop their antidepressants,
  • 47:29but we know that that's not always possible.
  • 47:33I do think that the clinical
  • 47:36history is very important.
  • 47:38If there's any question about a difference
  • 47:41between type one and Type 2 narcolepsy,
  • 47:43measuring CSF hypocretin
  • 47:44levels might be useful,
  • 47:46but I do think that the most important thing
  • 47:49is to try to manage the patient symptoms.
  • 47:53If the patient is presenting with
  • 47:55excessive daytime sleepiness,
  • 47:56of course using a wake
  • 47:58promoting agent and then,
  • 47:59like I mentioned,
  • 48:00it may be helpful to check
  • 48:02CSF hypocretin levels.
  • 48:05OK, so does any. Are there any other
  • 48:09questions that that people have?
  • 48:14Hi this is a in where I put a question
  • 48:17in the talk but I was just wondering.
  • 48:20I haven't had a chance to read the new
  • 48:23guidelines that came out recently,
  • 48:24but I see that armor Daffodil is
  • 48:26a conditional recommendation and
  • 48:28monophony Liz a strong recommendation.
  • 48:29Did they talk about why and the guidelines?
  • 48:32They separated those two medicines
  • 48:34out and one was strong.
  • 48:35This woman was like a week or
  • 48:37conditional recommendation.
  • 48:38You know what Doctor we are?
  • 48:40I would really have to
  • 48:42get back to you on that.
  • 48:44I did not see like why they would have,
  • 48:47you know, made that difference,
  • 48:49but yes, Ma definitely had
  • 48:50a strong recommendation.
  • 48:51I was going to have to get
  • 48:53back to you on that one.
  • 48:55Yeah, it's probably 'cause there's
  • 48:56just. I would imagine there's just
  • 48:58not as much information, but you know,
  • 49:00usually what we do is, you know, we have.
  • 49:02If we're going to use Medaugh alarm adapter
  • 49:05will have a conversation with the patient,
  • 49:07will talk about the advantage,
  • 49:08disadvantage of having the opportunity
  • 49:10to take that dose at noon and and
  • 49:12some people just want take one
  • 49:13pill and so just interesting 'cause
  • 49:15that potentially could change.
  • 49:17You know you would maybe.
  • 49:18Say OK because of that recommendation
  • 49:21we should be using more of a
  • 49:25daffodil as the primary.
  • 49:27Treatment if needed to be
  • 49:28made for promoting medication.
  • 49:30So just curious.
  • 49:31Yeah, and I don't know when
  • 49:33you're anxious parent.
  • 49:34In my vast one year sleep fellow experience.
  • 49:36Usually I find that patients have more
  • 49:39headaches on Modafinil and armodafinil,
  • 49:40so I don't know if that's if
  • 49:43you've seen that. But yes, I'm.
  • 49:45It's probably because there is lack of
  • 49:47evidence for Arma definite that the
  • 49:50recommendation was conditional. Yeah,
  • 49:51I've seen it. Probably just
  • 49:53anecdotally about equally between
  • 49:55the two and most of the time.
  • 49:57If they can plow through a week of treatment,
  • 49:59usually the headaches with inside,
  • 50:01so I kind of encourage them to continue
  • 50:03for at least two weeks before they
  • 50:06completely give up the medication,
  • 50:08because the headaches but that,
  • 50:09as you mentioned,
  • 50:10that is a very common side effect
  • 50:13with both of those pills.
  • 50:14Yeah, yeah, it seems that Modafinil
  • 50:16gives patients more flexibility
  • 50:18as far as dosing as opposed to
  • 50:20armodafinil there almost identical.
  • 50:21Medications, as far as their
  • 50:23efficacy adjust the dose dependency
  • 50:26so it's once you take the armor,
  • 50:28definitely don't want to take
  • 50:30the second dose because of the
  • 50:32longer acting nature of it, so,
  • 50:34but definitely will be maybe a
  • 50:37good starting medications and
  • 50:38then perhaps switch over to Arma.
  • 50:40Definitely if they need consistently two
  • 50:43dosing per day. Yeah,
  • 50:44so the the the original clinical
  • 50:47trials done in in the US which
  • 50:50led to registration by the FDA.
  • 50:52The dosage was 400 milligrams of Modafinil
  • 50:55and one shot in in in the morning.
  • 50:58In the rest of the world.
  • 51:00They didn't do that, it was,
  • 51:02it was sort of a BID thing.
  • 51:04Half of the dose in the morning,
  • 51:07half the dosage at lunchtime,
  • 51:09and that seems to actually work fairly well.
  • 51:12And just like Doctor Motion and
  • 51:14just mentioned, patients are able
  • 51:16to titrate themselves that way.
  • 51:17And sometimes they'll be.
  • 51:19They'll be able to take 200 in the morning.
  • 51:22100 lunchtime and maybe even another
  • 51:25hundred at you know 4-5 o'clock in the
  • 51:28evening if they're gonna be going to
  • 51:31a concert or driving in the evening,
  • 51:34so Modafinil gives a lot more flexibility.
  • 51:38I have a question.
  • 51:41So how do you
  • 51:43know how and
  • 51:44why the the? The app, the mean
  • 51:48sleep latency for the Ms Lt
  • 51:50was said at 8 minutes. How and why
  • 51:55that was chosen?
  • 51:58And I always think about a
  • 52:00term pathologic sleeping.
  • 52:01This is being less than five minutes.
  • 52:04Does anybody use
  • 52:05that term? Well,
  • 52:06it used to be less than five,
  • 52:09and it turns out that most narcolepsy
  • 52:12patients are like way less than five an.
  • 52:14I don't recall why it went to 8,
  • 52:18but it suddenly went to 8 from 5.
  • 52:21Ann and Ann. I don't remember
  • 52:23the reason for it. I think
  • 52:25it's because of the balance between
  • 52:28the sensitivity and specificity,
  • 52:29because if you.
  • 52:30If you if you decrease it to five minutes,
  • 52:34it's going to be more specific,
  • 52:36but much less sensitive.
  • 52:38And so the specificity of the
  • 52:41test is like 95% the sensitivity
  • 52:44is more like 70 to 80% so.
  • 52:48You know combining those two
  • 52:50features with those two numbers makes
  • 52:53it most sensitive and specific.
  • 52:56That's the reason, so
  • 52:58it's sort of a sophistical
  • 53:01thing. OK, one other one other
  • 53:04question, and I've heard Doctor
  • 53:06Maggio mentioned at the onset
  • 53:09of. Sleep of Ram in the overnight
  • 53:12sleep test when it's less than
  • 53:1520 minutes, that alone is significant
  • 53:18enough to make the diagnosis
  • 53:20as far as he was concerned.
  • 53:24So asleep on set run period,
  • 53:26it is usually a onset of REM within
  • 53:2915 minutes of achieving sleep.
  • 53:31I haven't heard the the 20 minute criteria.
  • 53:34It's usually with 15 and you should
  • 53:36have two or more to make the diagnosis.
  • 53:42So if you only had a 15 minutes only on
  • 53:46the overnight test, you still committed to
  • 53:48doing an MSL MSL T.
  • 53:52To establish the diagnosis?
  • 53:54Yes, for PSG and MSL T findings yet.
  • 54:00One thing that I always wonder about
  • 54:03is whether or not cataplexy that
  • 54:05presses up cataplexy should
  • 54:07be considered pathognomonic.
  • 54:08Because when you look at the International
  • 54:10Classification for Sleep Disorders,
  • 54:12that's actually not part of their criteria.
  • 54:15But there are sources outside of
  • 54:17that that do suggest that it should
  • 54:20be a pathognomonic
  • 54:21criterion. You know,
  • 54:22if the patient has cataplexy,
  • 54:24then narcolepsy is the definite diagnosis.
  • 54:26What do you think about that?
  • 54:30I actually agree with that,
  • 54:31specially with what we were talking about.
  • 54:33The sensitivity and specificity of Ms Lt.
  • 54:36I mean if the patient has
  • 54:37kind of clear cut cataplexy,
  • 54:39the MSL team not being such a great test.
  • 54:42I think you know, treating them
  • 54:45as a narcolepsy type one is valid.
  • 54:51The only thing I would just say with
  • 54:54that I think that to me that makes sense,
  • 54:57except that remember,
  • 54:58the cataplexy is basically a subjective
  • 55:00finding that the patient gives you
  • 55:02right so and now you're dealing with
  • 55:04a very rare condition with controlled
  • 55:07substance medications which you know
  • 55:08include you know amphetamines and
  • 55:10other potential medications of abuse.
  • 55:12So I think you should still have, you know,
  • 55:15objective testing to confirm the diagnosis,
  • 55:17even with the obvious
  • 55:19cataplexy DAG cataplexy.
  • 55:20Symptom because I will tell you
  • 55:22just from personal experience,
  • 55:23I will see a lot of patients for second
  • 55:25opinion who want me to prescribe them
  • 55:28controlled substance and they give a
  • 55:30great story and then when I tell them
  • 55:32that before I'm going to prescribe
  • 55:34any medicines I need to see objective
  • 55:36testing or we need to repeat testing
  • 55:39and then I never see them again.
  • 55:40So you just gotta be careful with that.
  • 55:43But I think if you have if you have that
  • 55:46diagnosis then just in terms of the rent,
  • 55:48suppression and and and.
  • 55:50Medications you know.
  • 55:51I personally will not do Ms,
  • 55:53Lt and narcolepsy work up with
  • 55:54someone who's on our rent.
  • 55:56Suppressive medication.
  • 55:57In the absence of a cataplexy symptom,
  • 55:59because I just find that it gets
  • 56:01very muddy and you have a potential
  • 56:03false negatives and even potentially
  • 56:04false positives if they just
  • 56:06abruptly stopped the medication.
  • 56:08So gets a little dicey there.
  • 56:10But I know, you know,
  • 56:11sometimes you really stuck.
  • 56:12You want to help these patients,
  • 56:14but it gets a little dicey when you have
  • 56:17him on a REM suppressing medication.
  • 56:21Alright, so one
  • 56:23more question there, go ahead.
  • 56:27You can come across any kind of
  • 56:30mention of doing urine testing for
  • 56:33either pro waking drugs to evade the
  • 56:37effect of SLT or actually taking.
  • 56:41Kind of asleep promoting
  • 56:42agents prior to the testing.
  • 56:46So say that again, Doctor Moses.
  • 56:48So like doing drug testing prior to the MSL
  • 56:51team. Yeah, I think we used to do
  • 56:54urine test before MSL tear the Knights
  • 56:56of PSG just to make sure that they
  • 56:59are not on any either wake promoting
  • 57:02or sleep promoting medications.
  • 57:03Yeah, and some some labs will do also
  • 57:06like active ticker fee or sleep Diaries
  • 57:09just to ensure that they are not sleep
  • 57:11deprived as well and then the urine testing
  • 57:14before the the PSG MSL T to ensure.
  • 57:17That there are no other substances that
  • 57:19could kind of taint the results of the test.
  • 57:22Yeah, and do you do any urine
  • 57:24testing at your sleep center?
  • 57:27So at Norwalk it's it's absolutely
  • 57:30mandatory that they all get drug
  • 57:32testing the morning of the MSL T,
  • 57:34and I would strongly strongly
  • 57:36caution not doing that.
  • 57:38'cause that just seems so.
  • 57:40We picked up positive we picked up cocaine.
  • 57:42We picked up benzos.
  • 57:44We picked up opiates.
  • 57:45We picked up all sorts of stuff and so I
  • 57:48think that's really absolutely necessary.
  • 57:51Those are very nice study that looked
  • 57:53at in the pediatric population and they
  • 57:56found that essentially if someone was.
  • 57:58Under 13 it was very very low yield,
  • 58:01so we generally will not do it
  • 58:03for anyone who's 3rd, 12 or under.
  • 58:06But the 13 to 18 year old range you you
  • 58:09you know there was a number of positives,
  • 58:12and especially what I've seen is
  • 58:14we've seen tremendous amount of
  • 58:16positive marijuana because it's now,
  • 58:17you know,
  • 58:18approved and medical marijuana and
  • 58:20they may not tell you about it.
  • 58:22So I I definitely think that is.
  • 58:25I could tell you many,
  • 58:26many stories of positive urine drug
  • 58:28screens that changed the diagnosis.
  • 58:30Where if you didn't have that
  • 58:32test result of positive cocaine,
  • 58:34you would have given the person narcolepsy
  • 58:36diagnosis and then also a Tigger free.
  • 58:38In my opinion is mandatory and
  • 58:40strongly recommended because again
  • 58:41insufficient sleep and and I can also
  • 58:43give you a bunch of other stories
  • 58:45of people doing things that in the
  • 58:47middle of the night that didn't.
  • 58:49They don't want their parents to
  • 58:51know about and they would have
  • 58:53been diagnosed with narcolepsy
  • 58:54if we didn't have to take a
  • 58:56break. I agree with you.
  • 58:59I think you're in testing at
  • 59:02minimum should be done in in the
  • 59:05era of drug abuse and overuse.
  • 59:07Absolutely, I is it. Dan McNally.
  • 59:10We we do drug testing on everybody
  • 59:13and we also are very careful
  • 59:16about not just looking by sleep
  • 59:18Diaries or preferably actigraphy
  • 59:20for their insufficient sleep,
  • 59:22but also because of sleep phase delay.
  • 59:25The individuals again, adolescence.
  • 59:27With sleep phase delay shifting
  • 59:30that Clock over to those morning
  • 59:32hours makes you much more likely
  • 59:35to have a REM sleep episode.
  • 59:37That doesn't mean narcolepsy on your testing.
  • 59:44Alright, so it's already past
  • 59:463:00 o'clock and an I'd like
  • 59:49to thank Linda for a wonderful presentation.
  • 59:53And you have another 12 or 13 minutes
  • 59:56to register your for your CME credits.
  • 60:00So anyways, have a great
  • 01:00:02week and thank you again,
  • 01:00:04Glenda for a fantastic job. Thank you.