"Narcolepsy: Review and Update on Treatment" Glenda Bowen (05.05.2021)
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- 01:18speaker for this afternoon,
- 01:20so I'm delighted to introduce Glenda Bowen
- 01:23Ann and she's a Sleep Medicine fellow.
- 01:27Glenda went to medical school in Honduras
- 01:30and she interned in internal medicine in
- 01:33Danbury Hospital at the Yale program there.
- 01:37Did her residency there became chief resident
- 01:39and did a fellowship in pulmonary and
- 01:42critical care at the University of Vermont,
- 01:46and this year is a Sleep Medicine of
- 01:49fellow and she's currently board certified
- 01:52in internal Medicine pulmonary medicine.
- 01:55And she's going to be taking the
- 01:58critical care exams next year.
- 02:00Sleep Fellowship exams this year
- 02:02and and she's going to be not that
- 02:06far from us when she graduates.
- 02:08She will be in in practice and
- 02:11in western Massachusetts,
- 02:12and we hope to keep in contact with her.
- 02:16So Glenda is going to tell us
- 02:18everything we need to know about the
- 02:21diagnosis and management of narcolepsy.
- 02:23There been some exciting?
- 02:25A developments in that area,
- 02:27we're gonna hear from Glenda right now,
- 02:30Linda. Take it away.
- 02:33Thank you Doctor Krieger for your
- 02:36introduction, so I guess I'll
- 02:38just kind of get right to it.
- 02:41So narcolepsy is a disorder that causes
- 02:45a disabling level of daytime sleepiness.
- 02:49Our understanding of the pathogenesis and
- 02:52the clinical nature of narcolepsy has grown
- 02:55exponentially in the last two decades.
- 03:02During this talk.
- 03:05I want to review the
- 03:07pathophysiology of narcolepsy.
- 03:08I'll outline the diagnostic
- 03:11criteria of the disease.
- 03:13Talk about prognosis and goals of treatment.
- 03:16And review the recently updated
- 03:18practice parameters of the ASM
- 03:20for the treatment of narcolepsy,
- 03:23which include novel drugs that have
- 03:25recently been approved by the FDA.
- 03:31So here is the obligatory disclosure slide.
- 03:34I have no conflicts of interests.
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- 03:53So I want to start with the case.
- 03:56A young lady that I saw
- 03:58as a brand new fellow.
- 04:00Miss Ma is 19 years old and she presented
- 04:03with excessive daytime sleepiness
- 04:05and episodes of acute onset loss of
- 04:09muscle tone that last less than a
- 04:12minute and are triggered by laughter and joy.
- 04:15These cataplexy episodes happen
- 04:17almost on a daily basis.
- 04:20She can sleep on demand.
- 04:22Her Epworth Sleepiness Scale is 19.
- 04:25She frequently misses social and family
- 04:28events because of excessive sleepiness.
- 04:31She must nap two to three hours in the
- 04:34afternoon to function in the evening.
- 04:36She schedules classes and
- 04:38workshops around her naps.
- 04:40If she doesn't nap,
- 04:42she can have two to three cataplexy
- 04:44episodes a day and her first
- 04:47cataplexy episode was at age 13.
- 04:49She has vivid dreams and excellent dream
- 04:52recall after naps and she doesn't snore.
- 04:59She had mononucleosis.
- 05:00When she was a teenager,
- 05:02she doesn't take any medication.
- 05:04She does have a project and IUD in place.
- 05:07She is a non smoker and drinks socially.
- 05:09She is in college and works as
- 05:12a waitress in the evenings.
- 05:17On physical exam she has normal
- 05:20vital signs for BMI is 23.3 and
- 05:23she's oh and overall healthy female
- 05:26with a normal physical exam.
- 05:29Given her degree of sleepiness,
- 05:31a PSG Ms Lt was ordered to work up
- 05:33a hypersomnia of central origin.
- 05:39This is the hypnogram from
- 05:41her diagnostic polysomnogram.
- 05:42We can see sleep stages at the top.
- 05:47Followed by micro arousals,
- 05:49the third graph depicts
- 05:51Apneas and High Papias,
- 05:53and finally her oxygen saturation levels.
- 05:56Her total sleep time was 455 minutes
- 05:59and her sleep efficiency was 91.6%.
- 06:03Her sleep latency was reduced at 4.5 minutes.
- 06:06Her REM latency was 5.5 minutes.
- 06:09She had six R.E.M periods.
- 06:11Her arousal an awakening
- 06:12index was 15 an hour.
- 06:14There was no evidence of sleep
- 06:17disordered breathing or periodic limb
- 06:19movements of sleep and her oxygen levels
- 06:22were normal throughout the night.
- 06:27She had a multiple sleep latency
- 06:29test the following day where she
- 06:32had three opportunities to nap.
- 06:34She slept during all Maps
- 06:35and her mean sleep latency.
- 06:37Her average mean sleep latency for
- 06:40these naps was 1.5 minutes and
- 06:42as you can see in the hypnogram,
- 06:45she had sleep onset REM periods or
- 06:48saw ramps during all three naps.
- 06:51A sorum is a ramp period that occurs
- 06:53within 15 minutes of sleep onset,
- 06:56including the sleep onset REM period that
- 06:59she had on the PSG on the prior night.
- 07:02She had a total of four saw reps.
- 07:06Given her clinical findings of excessive
- 07:08daytime sleepiness and cataplexy,
- 07:09as well as her PSG MSL T findings
- 07:12of mean sleep latency of less than
- 07:148 minutes and two or more storms,
- 07:17she was diagnosed diagnosed
- 07:19with narcolepsy Type 1.
- 07:24As a brand new sleep fellow,
- 07:25I was very excited about this case.
- 07:27She was the first patient with
- 07:29narcolepsy I ever took care of.
- 07:32I wondered how much I could
- 07:34improve her symptoms.
- 07:35I wondered what her prognosis was.
- 07:37What are the therapeutic options
- 07:39for patients with narcolepsy
- 07:41and what would be the best
- 07:43treatment specifically for her?
- 07:45What are the goals of therapy
- 07:47when treating these patients?
- 07:53As I learned about the disease,
- 07:55I came across this case report
- 07:58written in 1906 by Doctor Rogers.
- 08:01And he, when he describes narcolepsy,
- 08:03he writes. By narcolepsy I wish
- 08:06you to understand a condition.
- 08:09In which a patient with almost
- 08:12lightning like rapidity false
- 08:14into a sleep of short duration,
- 08:16the condition not being one of epilepsy.
- 08:23Narcolepsy is characterized by
- 08:26daytime sleepiness, cataplexy,
- 08:27and striking transitions from wakefulness
- 08:31into rapid eye movement sleep.
- 08:34It nearly always has profound
- 08:36and potentially disabling
- 08:38effects on affected patients.
- 08:40The incidence is anywhere
- 08:42from 20 to 67 per 100,000,
- 08:45and the ICS definition of narcolepsy
- 08:48states that the subject must have
- 08:51periods during the daytime in which
- 08:54there is an irrepressible need to
- 08:57sleep or actual lapses into sleep.
- 09:00Occurring for at least three
- 09:02months on a daily basis.
- 09:09In 1998, the CIA and colleagues
- 09:11identified a gene expressed in neurons
- 09:14in the paraventricular hypothalamus,
- 09:16which encoded for a proprotein
- 09:18precursor of two peptides that had
- 09:21features of neurotransmitters.
- 09:23Due to its hypothalamic expression
- 09:25pattern and the similarity of the
- 09:28peptide sequences to members of
- 09:30the Incretin family of hormones.
- 09:32It was named the hypocretin gene.
- 09:35Its function was unknown.
- 09:37One month later,
- 09:39Sacchari identified two peptides in
- 09:41the lateral and posterior hypothalamus,
- 09:44a brain region implicating
- 09:46in promoting feeding.
- 09:48They called these peptides or
- 09:50X and a an erection B from the
- 09:53Greek word orexis for appetite.
- 09:55These two groups simultaneously
- 09:57discovered the same neurotransmitter
- 09:58and gave it different names.
- 10:00I will use hypocretin,
- 10:02anorex and interchangeably
- 10:03throughout my talk.
- 10:08A year later. Chameli showed that
- 10:11orexin knockout mice exhibited behavior
- 10:13similar to humans with narcolepsy.
- 10:16The scientists documented frequent
- 10:18episodes of periods that what they called
- 10:21behavioral arrests in ereckson null
- 10:24mice using infrared video photography.
- 10:27As mice are active at night
- 10:30and sleep during the day.
- 10:33This graph depicts data for
- 10:35individual knockout mice,
- 10:36designated A through eye on the Y access.
- 10:40The columns represent the total
- 10:42number of episodes of behavioral
- 10:44arrest recorded in the first four
- 10:46hours after onset of darkness,
- 10:48and the measurements are depicted
- 10:51in the X axis to the left.
- 10:53The filled circles represent the mean
- 10:56duration of all reported episodes.
- 10:58The measurements depicted in
- 11:00the X axis to the right.
- 11:03The first column depicts the whole group,
- 11:06which had a mean number of 17
- 11:09behavioral arrests in four hours,
- 11:11lasting about 60 seconds.
- 11:13That same year,
- 11:15a group in Stanford University showed
- 11:17that a heritable form of canine
- 11:19narcolepsy is due to a mutation in
- 11:21the hypocretin receptor 2 gene.
- 11:27Soon after, researchers found that
- 11:29narcolepsy is caused by a highly
- 11:31selective and severe loss of the
- 11:33hypocretin neurons that results
- 11:35in low levels of hypocretin in the
- 11:37brain and the cerebral spinal fluid.
- 11:40I know this is a busy slide,
- 11:42but I wanted to show you in this study
- 11:45hypocretin was measured in the CSF of
- 11:48nine people with narcolepsy an 8 controls.
- 11:51The first nine rows in this table depict
- 11:53data for the narcoleptic patients.
- 11:56As you can see in the column to the far
- 11:58left seven of nine narcoleptic patients
- 12:01had hypocretin concentrations that were
- 12:04below the detection limit of the essay
- 12:06compared to normal levels in the controls.
- 12:12So how do orexin neurons maintain wake?
- 12:17Depicted in the figure and dark blue,
- 12:20these neurons excite various wake,
- 12:22promoting neurons,
- 12:23including those in the cortex.
- 12:25Basil, forebrain, tubero,
- 12:27mammillary nucleus,
- 12:27the jungle of pontine and
- 12:30lateral dorsal tegmental nucleus,
- 12:32dorsal Rath and Locust arulius.
- 12:34They heavily innervate several regions that
- 12:37promote arousal and suppress REM sleep,
- 12:39but maintaining weight is not the
- 12:43only function of orexin neurons.
- 12:46These neurons are influenced by input
- 12:49signals related to sleep wake states,
- 12:52circadian phase, motivational cues,
- 12:54and visceral cues such as hunger or thirst,
- 12:57and they innervate many brain regions.
- 13:01Their activity will ultimately result
- 13:04in long periods of wakefulness,
- 13:07suppression and regulation of REM sleep,
- 13:10enhanced responses to rewards,
- 13:12increased locomotion,
- 13:13and increased autonomic tone.
- 13:18But going back to the fact that narcolepsy
- 13:21is caused by the loss of orexin neurons.
- 13:25What causes this loss is
- 13:27destruction of these neurons.
- 13:29The first clue for an autoimmune disease
- 13:32etiology and narcolepsy was observed
- 13:35in the 1980s when a strong Association
- 13:38with HLA D R2 haplotype was discovered.
- 13:41Narcolepsy type One has the
- 13:44tightest HLA link in any disease.
- 13:46With the class 2D QB,
- 13:4810602 allele conferring an increase
- 13:51of an increased risk of 200
- 13:54fold of acquiring the disease.
- 13:56In those Houma Sigusr for this allele,
- 13:59the risk is doubled compared
- 14:01to that of heterozygous.
- 14:07In 2009 to 2010, a striking increase in
- 14:11narcolepsy cases was seen in Northern Europe,
- 14:15especially in children.
- 14:16This increase was quickly traced
- 14:19back to a widespread vaccination
- 14:22campaign against H1N1 Influenza,
- 14:24A that used a vaccine brand called Pandemrix.
- 14:30A meta analysis by Sarkan and included
- 14:33eleven studies that evaluated the risk
- 14:35of narcolepsy or the number of narcolepsy
- 14:39cases after Pandemrix vaccination.
- 14:41During the first year after vaccination,
- 14:44the relative risk of
- 14:45narcolepsy was increased.
- 14:465 to 14 fold in children and adolescents
- 14:49and two to seven fold in adults.
- 14:52In the countries where the
- 14:54Pandemrix vaccine was widely used.
- 14:59The most likely culprit,
- 15:02immune mediator of narcolepsy is
- 15:05likely CD 4T cell activation.
- 15:08This is a proposed model of T cell
- 15:12mediated killing of orexin neurons.
- 15:15An antigen presenting cell. Purple.
- 15:19First takes up a pathogen and
- 15:22presents fragments of pathogen
- 15:24proteins to a naive CD 4T cell.
- 15:30Seen here in light blue.
- 15:32It does this using a major
- 15:35histocompatibility complex Class 2 molecule.
- 15:38Perhaps the QB 10602?
- 15:40The naive CD 4T cells secrete
- 15:43cytokines to help clear the infection.
- 15:47Memory CD4T cells are formed
- 15:50from that initial infection.
- 15:52And then these activated memory CD4T
- 15:55cells cross recognized fragments of
- 15:58prepro orexin with the pathogen peptide
- 16:01and secrete cytokines that promote
- 16:04destruction of the orexin neurons.
- 16:07We have learned so much
- 16:10about narcolepsy Type 1.
- 16:12But what about narcolepsy Type 2?
- 16:15This remains one of the largest mysteries.
- 16:19Besides a lack of cataplexy,
- 16:21the symptoms of narcolepsy Type 2 are
- 16:24similar to those of narcolepsy type one.
- 16:27CSF ereckson levels are usually normal.
- 16:30It may be caused by a modest
- 16:33loss of erection, neurons,
- 16:35or a completely different process.
- 16:37Almost nothing is known
- 16:39about its neuropathology.
- 16:41Moving from pathophysiology
- 16:44to clinical features.
- 16:47Narcolepsy falls into the category of the
- 16:51Central disorders of Hypersomnolence.
- 16:54These include narcolepsy,
- 16:55type one narcolepsy,
- 16:56Type 2 and idiopathic hypersomnia,
- 16:58which I will refer to as IH.
- 17:04The common clinical feature among
- 17:06these is severe sleepiness,
- 17:08despite normal quality and timing of sleep.
- 17:12Cataplexy practically defines narcolepsy
- 17:14type one, and is absent in narcolepsy.
- 17:18Type 2 and IH. Sleep paralysis and sleep.
- 17:24Hallucinations are more
- 17:25common in narcolepsy type one,
- 17:27but can be seen in narcolepsy.
- 17:30Type 2 and IH.
- 17:33Fragmented nocturnal sleep is much
- 17:36more characteristic of narcolepsy
- 17:38and not typically seen in IH.
- 17:41REM sleep behavior disorder an REM
- 17:43without a tonia are seen in more than
- 17:46half of narcolepsy type one patients
- 17:48and in some patients with narcolepsy.
- 17:50Type 2.
- 17:53Sleep drunkenness is rarely
- 17:54seen in narcolepsy type one,
- 17:56sometimes seen in narcolepsy type
- 17:582 and is almost a hallmark in IH.
- 18:04Long nocturnal sleep times are seen
- 18:06in less than 20% of patients with
- 18:08narcolepsy, but are very common in IH.
- 18:13Naps are usually short and
- 18:16refreshing in narcoleptics,
- 18:17unlike in patients with idiopathic
- 18:19hypersomnia that have unrefreshing naps.
- 18:24But going back to the phenomenon of
- 18:28cataplexy, as I previously mentioned,
- 18:31this basically defines narcolepsy Type 1.
- 18:36The cataplexy episodes generally start
- 18:38with weakness in the neck or facial
- 18:41muscles before descending paralysis of
- 18:43voluntary muscles ensues over a few seconds.
- 18:46This happens usually in the
- 18:48context of an emotional stimulus.
- 18:50Usually a positive emotions
- 18:52such as joy or laughter.
- 18:54This picture illustrates the
- 18:56proposed mechanism of cataplexy.
- 18:58So the blue lines indicate
- 19:00activation of a neural pathway.
- 19:02The red lines indicate an inhibitory
- 19:05pathway and the dotted lines
- 19:07reflect lack of normal neural
- 19:10activity resulting from hypocretin
- 19:12deficiency due to narcolepsy Type 1.
- 19:14So positive emotions are processed
- 19:17in the prefrontal cortex,
- 19:19with activation of both the amygdala
- 19:22and hypocretin containing neurons
- 19:24within the lateral hypothalamus.
- 19:26In the absense of hypocretin neurons,
- 19:29there is reduced activity in brain
- 19:33regions that inhibit REM sleep.
- 19:36Causing increased activity in neurons.
- 19:38Promoting REM sleep atonia.
- 19:41Motor neurons are inhibited,
- 19:43and then cataplexy ensues.
- 19:49Moving on to the clinical classification.
- 19:51As I previously mentioned,
- 19:52narcolepsy falls into the Group of
- 19:55Central Disorders of Hypersomnolence
- 19:56and it is then divided into narcolepsy,
- 19:59type one and narcolepsy Type 2.
- 20:02With cataplexy and CSF hypocretin
- 20:05deficiency differentiating
- 20:06narcolepsy type one from Type 2.
- 20:12These are the criteria for diagnosis
- 20:15for not narcolepsy from the Icst 3.
- 20:18For narcolepsy type one, one or both of
- 20:22the following criteria should be met.
- 20:25The CSF hypocretin one concentration
- 20:27should be less than 110 picograms
- 20:30per ML or less than 1/3 of mean
- 20:34values obtained in normal subjects.
- 20:372nd. The presence of cataplexy with
- 20:41the mean sleep latency of less than
- 20:448 minutes with two or more sleep
- 20:47onset REM periods seen on PSG MSL T.
- 20:50For narcolepsy type 2.
- 20:52All four of the following criteria
- 20:55need to be met met.
- 20:56A mean sleep latency of less than 8
- 21:00minutes with two or more storms seen
- 21:02on PSG MSL T. Cataplexy is absent.
- 21:05Either hypocretin and CSF has not
- 21:08been measured, or if it has been,
- 21:11the level is over 110 picograms per
- 21:13ML or over a third of the normal
- 21:17value and last hypersomnolence and
- 21:19the MSL T findings are not better
- 21:21explained by other causes such
- 21:23as short sleeve shift work,
- 21:25sleep disorder,
- 21:26breathing medications or other substances.
- 21:31A brief word on CSF sampling and HLA testing.
- 21:37HLA DQ B 10602 positive ITI is 92100% in
- 21:41patients that have definite cataplexy,
- 21:43but it decreases with atypical
- 21:45cataplexy or in patients that
- 21:48don't have cataplexy do about 40%.
- 21:50It's important to keep in mind that
- 21:53about 20% of the general population
- 21:56who does not have cataplexy carried
- 21:59the exact same HLA subtype,
- 22:01so HLA testing should not be
- 22:04used to diagnose narcolepsy.
- 22:07Measuring hypocretin levels can
- 22:08provide a definitive diagnosis.
- 22:10In the right clinical context,
- 22:12but it is not always necessary to
- 22:14measure the hypocretin levels.
- 22:16If you have cataplexy in the
- 22:18characteristic PSG MSL T findings.
- 22:21Low hypocretin levels are diagnostic
- 22:23for type One narcolepsy,
- 22:25but normal levels don't rule out the disease.
- 22:30I want to talk about goals of treatment.
- 22:33So even on optimal conventional treatment,
- 22:36it is rare to fully normalize the sleep
- 22:39wake cycle of narcoleptic subjects.
- 22:42A major objective of treatment
- 22:44of narcolepsy is, of course,
- 22:46to alleviate daytime sleepiness.
- 22:49Other goals include controlling cataplexy,
- 22:51hypnagogic hallucinations,
- 22:52and sleep paralysis when they're
- 22:54present in troublesome to patients,
- 22:56but the ultimate goal should be to produce
- 22:59the fullest possible return of normal
- 23:02function for patients at work at school,
- 23:05at home, and socially.
- 23:09I would like to review the guidelines
- 23:12and recommendations from the practice
- 23:15parameters for the treatment of
- 23:17narcolepsy and other hypersomnia
- 23:19of central or origin from the ASM.
- 23:22And this just in an update of these
- 23:26guidelines was published on April 23rd.
- 23:29It includes some of the tried and true
- 23:32medications from the old practices
- 23:34guidelines that had been published in 2007,
- 23:37as well as novel therapies approved
- 23:39by the FDA in the last five years.
- 23:47Let's start with Modafinil.
- 23:49Which is recommended for treatment
- 23:51of daytime sleepiness and narcolepsy?
- 23:54It acts as an atypical, selective
- 23:57and weak dopamine reuptake inhibitor,
- 23:59which indirectly activates the release
- 24:01of orexin and histamine from the lateral
- 24:04hypothalamus into bruh mammillary nucleus.
- 24:06In amid analysis of over 1000 patients
- 24:10with narcolepsy type one and Type 2.
- 24:13Patients who received Modafinil at doses
- 24:15of 200 to 600 milligrams a day had
- 24:19decreased essm by two point 73 points
- 24:22had increased, mean sleep latency,
- 24:24latency on maintenance of,
- 24:26wakefulness, testing by two point,
- 24:2882 minutes and had a decrease in number
- 24:31and duration of severe somnolence episodes,
- 24:34sleep attacks and naps.
- 24:37Common adverse reactions include headache,
- 24:39nausea, diarrhea,
- 24:40dizziness, anxiety,
- 24:41dyspepsia and important to note,
- 24:44decreased efficacy of oral contraceptives.
- 24:46Patients should be advised to use
- 24:49barrier or mechanical methods of
- 24:52contraception when taking Modafinil.
- 24:54The approved recommended dose of Modafinil
- 24:57is 200 to 400 milligrams once daily,
- 25:00but studies indicate that the use
- 25:02of a split dose strategy provides
- 25:04better control of daytime sleepiness
- 25:06than a single daily dose.
- 25:12This study by Schwartz was designed to
- 25:14determine if a split dose of Modafinil
- 25:16would be more effective than a single
- 25:18morning dose for reducing sleepiness
- 25:20in the late afternoon and evening.
- 25:24Patients were randomized to take
- 25:26200 milligrams of Modafinil,
- 25:28a day, 400 milligrams.
- 25:30400 milligram split dose 200
- 25:32and 200 or 600 milligrams split.
- 25:35400 and 200.
- 25:37The split doses produced significantly
- 25:39greater mean improvements from baseline
- 25:42and sleep latency during make MWT than
- 25:46the 200 milligrams once daily regimen.
- 25:49There were significant improvements
- 25:51in clinical condition measured
- 25:53by clinical global impression of
- 25:55change scale with respect to evening
- 25:57sleepiness and the higher once daily
- 25:59dose and split dose regiments,
- 26:00then the 200 milligram once daily dose.
- 26:04No serious adverse events were reported.
- 26:09Armodafinil is a longer acting
- 26:12enantiomer of Modafinil.
- 26:14A study by harsh comparing our
- 26:17medicinal 150 milligram dose 250
- 26:19milligram dose and placebo showed
- 26:21significantly increased mean sleep
- 26:24latency and maintenance of wakefulness.
- 26:26Testing with armodafinil compared to placebo.
- 26:29There was improved overall
- 26:31clinical condition, memory,
- 26:33attention and fatigue and the most
- 26:36common adverse events were headache,
- 26:38nausea and dizziness.
- 26:43Sodium oxybate or zeiram.
- 26:45His recommended for the treatment
- 26:47of cataplexy daytime sleepiness and
- 26:50disrupted sleep due to narcolepsy.
- 26:53It is a sodium salt of gamma hydroxybutyrate,
- 26:56an endogenous metabolite of GABA.
- 27:00It was the first medication to treat
- 27:02both Cardinal symptoms of narcolepsy.
- 27:04Excessive daytime sleepiness and cataplexy.
- 27:07It has a short half life and so
- 27:09it must be given in divided doses.
- 27:11It's given at bedtime and
- 27:12then two to four hours later.
- 27:15The starting dose is 4.5 grams and then
- 27:17you increase .5 to 1 gram per night,
- 27:19every one to two weeks to a
- 27:21maximum dose of 9 grams per night.
- 27:24The prescription of sodium oxybate
- 27:26requires registration and training
- 27:27and distribution to the patient is
- 27:30all made through a central pharmacy.
- 27:32It's known as the **** **** drug.
- 27:34The compound has a very poor,
- 27:36but not necessarily deserved
- 27:38public reputation.
- 27:39It is easily synthesized and
- 27:41has been used recreationally.
- 27:43Side effects include confusion,
- 27:45enuresis and sleepwalking.
- 27:52In a study by the Xyron
- 27:55Multi Center Study Group,
- 27:57136 patients were randomized to
- 28:00receive sodium oxybate at doses of
- 28:04369 grams or placebo for four weeks.
- 28:07Compared to placebo weekly,
- 28:09cataplexy attacks were decreased by
- 28:12sodium oxybate at the six gram dose
- 28:15and significantly at the 9 gram dose.
- 28:17The Epworth Sleepiness Scale
- 28:19was reduced at all doses,
- 28:21becoming significant at the 9 gram dose.
- 28:25And the clinical global impression of
- 28:27change scale demonstrated a dose related
- 28:30improvement significant at the 9 gram dose.
- 28:37That same group did a study three
- 28:39years later in which they assess
- 28:41the efficacy of sodium oxybate
- 28:43for the treatment of narcolepsy,
- 28:45with an emphasis on excessive
- 28:47daytime sleepiness.
- 28:48228 patients were randomized to take
- 28:53sodium oxybate at doses of 4.569
- 28:57grams or placebo for eight weeks.
- 29:00The 9 gram of sodium oxybate nightly
- 29:03group had significant median increase of
- 29:05mean sleep latency over 10 minutes in
- 29:08the maintenance of wakefulness testing.
- 29:10Dose related decreases in
- 29:12median upward sleepiness,
- 29:14scale and frequency of weekly
- 29:16inadvertent naps were seen.
- 29:18And there were significant
- 29:20improvements in the clinical global
- 29:22impression of change scale in the
- 29:24groups treated with sodium oxybate.
- 29:29So this is not included in the guidelines,
- 29:31but I thought it was important to mention it.
- 29:34Siwave is a calcium, magnesium,
- 29:37potassium and sodium oxybate.
- 29:39Formulation that has 92%
- 29:41less sodium than sirem.
- 29:43It was approved by the FDA in July
- 29:472020 for the treatment of narcolepsy
- 29:50and patients age 7 or older.
- 29:52A dose of 9 grams of sirem has
- 29:55over 1600 milligrams of sodium,
- 29:58where the recommended daily intake
- 30:00is about 1500 to 2300 milligrams.
- 30:04In a multicenter study of 201
- 30:07patients comparing zywave to placebo.
- 30:11There was statistically significant
- 30:12reductions in the weekly number
- 30:14of cataplexy attacks and upward
- 30:16sleepiness scales.
- 30:19This medication is still given in
- 30:21two nightly doses and the price
- 30:24is also compatible to xyron.
- 30:25The main reason to choose one
- 30:28over the other is really just
- 30:30the reduced sodium intake.
- 30:32The adverse effects of this
- 30:35medication include headache, nausha,
- 30:37dizziness, decreased appetite,
- 30:39parasomnia diarrhea, hyperhidrosis,
- 30:40anxiety and vomiting.
- 30:45Amphetamines are recommended
- 30:46for the treatment of daytime
- 30:49sleepiness due to narcolepsy.
- 30:51These medications increase
- 30:53the release of dopamine,
- 30:55norepinephrine, and serotonin.
- 30:56Their wake promoting agents,
- 30:58but also can reduce
- 30:59cataplexy at higher doses.
- 31:01They are available in slow or
- 31:04extended release formulations
- 31:05in randomized clinical trials.
- 31:07Looking at afeta means and
- 31:09narcolepsy show that they increase
- 31:11mean sleep latency decrease.
- 31:13Subjective sleepiness,
- 31:14decreased driving errors,
- 31:16and improve ability to stay awake on
- 31:19maintenance of wakefulness testing.
- 31:21The adverse effects include tachycardia,
- 31:24hypertension,
- 31:25palpitations and sweating.
- 31:31Anti depressants such as tricyclic
- 31:34antidepressants and selective
- 31:35serotonin reuptake inhibitors,
- 31:37have been used off label to treat cataplexy.
- 31:44These medications are not included in
- 31:46the current update, but I do think
- 31:49it is important to review them.
- 31:52These medications suppress REM sleep.
- 31:56There was really limited evidence
- 31:58supporting this recommendation
- 31:59from the prior guidelines,
- 32:01so recommendation was based on clinical
- 32:04experience of Sleep specialist committee,
- 32:06consensus case reports and case studies.
- 32:09Important to mention that unlike
- 32:11with anxiety or depression,
- 32:13these medications are immediately
- 32:16active on cataplexy.
- 32:17We don't have to wait four to
- 32:19six weeks to see their effects.
- 32:21It is important to note that
- 32:24rebound cataplexy can happen with
- 32:26abrupt cessation of treatment.
- 32:32So behavioral interventions
- 32:33can help symptom management.
- 32:35Scheduled naps can be beneficial
- 32:38to combat sleepiness,
- 32:39but it seldom is enough.
- 32:42Wake promoting agents are needed.
- 32:45Good sleep hygiene.
- 32:47Keeping a regular sleep schedule,
- 32:49avoiding alcohol and
- 32:50sedatives is recommended.
- 32:52And accident prevention and
- 32:53safe driving are important,
- 32:55particularly in those patients
- 32:56operating heavy machinery or
- 32:58who work in transportation.
- 33:01I would like to move on to novel therapies.
- 33:05These have been approved by
- 33:06the FDA in the last five years
- 33:09and are now in the guidelines.
- 33:14Patala St tradename Wakix was approved
- 33:17by the FDA on Aug 2019 for excessive
- 33:21daytime sleepiness and on October 2020
- 33:24for cataplexy in adults with narcolepsy.
- 33:27It is an inverse agonist of the
- 33:31histamine three autoreceptor.
- 33:33As seen in the figure and label,
- 33:35one petola St binds to the H3 receptor
- 33:38and blocks inhibition of histamine
- 33:40synthesis in the presynaptic neuron.
- 33:43This causes increased histamine synthesis
- 33:45and release of histamine into the synapse.
- 33:47As you can see in Label 2.
- 33:51And then histamine binds to postsynaptic
- 33:53H1 receptors which then modulates the
- 33:55release of various transmitters that are
- 33:58involved in weight promotion promotion.
- 34:00Sorry, such as dopamine,
- 34:02noradrenaline, and ask the deal colon.
- 34:10The Harmony One trial compared
- 34:13Petola sent Modafinil and placebo
- 34:15in adults with narcolepsy,
- 34:17with and without cataplexy.
- 34:19The primary endpoint was Epworth
- 34:22Sleepiness score compared to baseline
- 34:25after eight weeks of treatment.
- 34:27There was improvement in ESS and mean
- 34:30sleep latency in MWT in all patrol
- 34:34ascent groups compared to placebo.
- 34:36I do have to note that Tillerson did
- 34:39not demonstrate noninferiority with
- 34:40respect to definitely on this trial.
- 34:45A subsequent trial,
- 34:47the Harmony CTP trial compared
- 34:49to to listen and placebo with
- 34:52the primary outcome of change,
- 34:54and weekly cataplexy attacks from baseline.
- 34:58It included adults with narcolepsy with
- 35:01three or more weekly cataplexy attacks.
- 35:05As you can see in the figure,
- 35:07the patrol Ascent group in blue,
- 35:09in the placebo group in red.
- 35:11Catullus and was associated with significant
- 35:15improvement in cataplexy attacks compared
- 35:17to placebo after seven weeks of treatment.
- 35:20In the Petola Sync Group,
- 35:23the weekly cataplexy attacks
- 35:25went from nine point 15 to 2.27,
- 35:28compared to 7.31 to 4.52
- 35:31in the placebo group.
- 35:33Secondary outcomes included decrease
- 35:35an upward sleepiness scale and
- 35:37increase in mean sleep latency
- 35:39in maintenance of wakefulness.
- 35:40Testing in the patrol said group.
- 35:44Adverse effects include insomnia,
- 35:46headache, nausha,
- 35:47an anxiety.
- 35:52A titration schedule is usually
- 35:55recommended when starting pitolisant.
- 35:57You start at 8.9 milligrams upon
- 36:00awakening for a week and then
- 36:03increase to 17.8 milligrams.
- 36:05If needed after a week you could
- 36:08increase to 35.6 milligrams,
- 36:10just like with Modafinil patrol
- 36:12ascent may reduce the effectiveness
- 36:14of hormonal contraceptives,
- 36:15it prolongs the cutie interval,
- 36:18and it is contraindicated in patients
- 36:20with renal and hepatic impairment.
- 36:27The FDA approved Solarian fatal brand
- 36:29names to know C for the treatment of
- 36:32excessive daytime sleepiness and adults
- 36:35with narcolepsy or obstructive sleep apnea.
- 36:38In March 2019, it is a dopamine and
- 36:42norepinephrine reuptake inhibitor.
- 36:43It is indicated at a once daily
- 36:46dose of 75 or 150 milligrams.
- 36:49Pawn awakening, and adverse effects
- 36:52of this medication include headache,
- 36:54decreased appetite, anxiety.
- 36:56Dry mouth or palpitations?
- 37:02In a phase three, double blind placebo
- 37:05controlled trial adults with type one
- 37:08and Type 2 narcolepsy were randomized
- 37:11to take sorry on petola doses of
- 37:1475150 or 300 milligrams or placebo.
- 37:16The primary endpoints of the study
- 37:19were changed compared to mean sleep
- 37:22latency on maintenance of wakefulness
- 37:24testing and upward sleepiness score.
- 37:27There was increased in the men sleep
- 37:30latency on MWT at the 150 and 300 milligram
- 37:34doses of sinoussi compared to placebo.
- 37:37There was also improved effort sleepiness
- 37:40scores seen at all doses compared to placebo.
- 37:45And there was improvement on the
- 37:47clinical global impression of change
- 37:49score at all doses compared to placebo.
- 37:55Here is a summary of recommendations
- 37:58in adult populations for the
- 38:00treatment of narcolepsy from
- 38:02the updated ASM guidelines.
- 38:05As you can see, Medef,
- 38:06Anil Catullus and sodium oxybate,
- 38:08Ansel Rhian fatal are strongly recommended
- 38:11for the treatment of narcolepsy.
- 38:13The tallest and an sodium oxybate are
- 38:16strongly recommended to treat both
- 38:19excessive daytime sleepiness and cataplexy.
- 38:21Dextroamphetamine can also be
- 38:23used to treat excessive daytime
- 38:25sleepiness and cataplexy.
- 38:31Moving on to investigational drugs.
- 38:38FT 218 is a controlled release formulation
- 38:41of sodium oxybate which requires a
- 38:43single dose at night compared to
- 38:46the two dose regimen currently used.
- 38:48The rest on trial assessed safety
- 38:51and efficacy of FT 218 and treatment
- 38:54of excessive daytime sleepiness
- 38:56and cataplexy and narcolepsy.
- 38:59Patients received FT 218 at
- 39:02doses of 4.5 grams, 6 grams,
- 39:057.5 grams, 9 grams or placebo.
- 39:09There was an increase in sleep
- 39:12latency in MWT and the FT.
- 39:14218 groups compared to placebo.
- 39:17The mean weekly cataplexy attacks
- 39:19were reduced in the treatment group,
- 39:21and there was improvement in clinical
- 39:23status assessed by the clinical
- 39:25global impression of change scale.
- 39:27It has been granted orphan drug
- 39:29designation from the FDA for
- 39:30treatment of narcolepsy and is
- 39:32pending full FDA approval.
- 39:37Reboxetine which is not
- 39:39approved in the United States,
- 39:41is a norepinephrine reuptake
- 39:43inhibitor originally developed
- 39:45for treatment of depression.
- 39:47The concert trial was conducted in the
- 39:50US in 2019, looking at reboxetine for
- 39:54treatment of cataplexy in narcolepsy.
- 39:5721 patients with narcolepsy type.
- 40:00One received reboxetine for two weeks
- 40:03and placebo for two weeks separated by
- 40:06one week of down titration and washout.
- 40:10There was a significant reduction of
- 40:12cataplexy attacks per week in the reboxetine.
- 40:15Group.
- 40:15There was significantly improved
- 40:17excessive daytime sleepiness
- 40:19symptoms compared to placebo,
- 40:21as measured by upward sleepiness
- 40:23for an 5 frequency of inadvertent
- 40:25naps and there was improved
- 40:27cognitive cognitive function.
- 40:29Improve sleep quality production,
- 40:30and sleep paralysis episodes
- 40:32and hypnagogic hallucinations.
- 40:37Other drugs being investigated.
- 40:39The combination of Modafinil and flecainide
- 40:42for excessive daytime sleepiness in
- 40:45narcolepsy and Parkinson's disease.
- 40:48The antiarrhythmic flecainide enhances
- 40:50wake promoting effects of Modafinil through
- 40:53inhibition of astroglial connections.
- 40:56Some melicent which is a histamine
- 40:59three receptor inverse agonist,
- 41:01has demonstrated wake promoting an
- 41:04anti cat affective effects in rodents.
- 41:08And there are two hypocretin,
- 41:10two receptor selective agonist Tak
- 41:12925 with which is a subcutaneous
- 41:15preparation and tag 994 which is
- 41:18an oral preparation that have shown
- 41:21to increase wakefulness and reduce
- 41:23cataplexy like episodes in mouse models.
- 41:30So going back to my patient Miss Ma.
- 41:34I decided to prescribe it to listen for
- 41:37excessive daytime sleepiness and cataplexy,
- 41:40as she was leery of starting sodium oxybate.
- 41:44I initially prescribed
- 41:45methylphenidate and asked her to
- 41:47continue with her scheduled naps.
- 41:49While we waited for insurance approval.
- 41:52This drug, of course,
- 41:54was denied by insurance and
- 41:56after lengthy discussions she
- 41:58agreed to start sodium oxybate.
- 42:01She was titrated to 3.75 grams twice nightly.
- 42:06And her upward sleepiness
- 42:08scale went from 19 to 5.
- 42:12For weekly cataplexy attacks
- 42:13that were seven to 10 per week.
- 42:16Where is zero in two months?
- 42:19She rarely needs to nap during
- 42:21the day she is in college.
- 42:23She plays softball and does trap.
- 42:26She is now able to attend more
- 42:28family and social events.
- 42:33I would like to finish with a couple
- 42:36of take home points to summarize.
- 42:38Although the cause of narcolepsy
- 42:40is not completely understood,
- 42:42it is increasingly evident that
- 42:45it is an autoimmune disease.
- 42:47The search for characteristic. I'm sorry.
- 42:57The search for characteristic narcolepsy
- 43:00autoantibodies has not been successful with
- 43:03no autoantibodies consistently found yet.
- 43:13I apologize.
- 43:22Can everybody see my screen?
- 43:30Yeah, but the slide is frozen.
- 43:33OK. Can you see it now?
- 43:37Yep, Yep Yep, OK, thank you.
- 43:41But delay in diagnosis or
- 43:43misdiagnosis may occur with
- 43:45significant consequences to patients.
- 43:50And the goal of treatment should be
- 43:52to produce the fullest possible return
- 43:55of normal function for patients.
- 43:59Although tremendous progress has been
- 44:01made in the treatment of narcolepsy,
- 44:04it still remains symptomatic and there
- 44:06is so much to learn about this disease.
- 44:12I want to thank Doctor Mosen
- 44:14in for encouraging me to take
- 44:16this patient under my care.
- 44:18Ann for precepting me
- 44:19during her initial visit,
- 44:21Doctor Tapawai consulted multiple times
- 44:23when making management decisions.
- 44:25As well as Doctor Tobias and
- 44:26Doctor Miner who gave me advice
- 44:28when putting together this talk.
- 44:30And of course Miss Ma,
- 44:31who allowed me to care for her
- 44:33and learn so much from her.
- 44:35Thank you.
- 44:51I'd be happy to take any
- 44:53questions if there are so.
- 44:54Are there any questions?
- 44:56Let's see there's.
- 44:57I think there's something in the chat.
- 45:00I have one there overheat high. Go ahead,
- 45:06OK. I thought the chat
- 45:08questions will be covered.
- 45:10Then there was a terrific presentation
- 45:13on a coverage of the whole.
- 45:16Field, including the new one.
- 45:18Drugs around the corner.
- 45:20Could you comment on the
- 45:23sensitivity of MSL T?
- 45:24As you know, it's is the gold standard,
- 45:28but then has issues with
- 45:31perhaps false negative results.
- 45:33And how do you handle those type of cases?
- 45:38Yeah, it's it's really kind of I.
- 45:40I can't remember off the top
- 45:42of my head the exact number in
- 45:45terms of sensitivity of MSL T,
- 45:47but it's really not a great test.
- 45:50You have to take into account the whole
- 45:53clinical context and also be sure to
- 45:56rule out other reasons why we could
- 45:58have MSL T findings that could give
- 46:01us a false positive for narcolepsy.
- 46:04Things like sleep deprivation,
- 46:06medications and substances could kind
- 46:09of taint the results of the MSLT,
- 46:11so it's really not a great break test.
- 46:15It's important to take everything
- 46:18else into clinical context.
- 46:21Yeah,
- 46:21it's sometimes difficult to
- 46:23differentiate type two with the
- 46:26idiopathic hypersomnia if there may
- 46:27be a lot of overlaps as far as their
- 46:31presentation sensitivity for MSL T,
- 46:33the first time is around 70%,
- 46:36so you tend to get like 30% negative
- 46:39or could be false negative rate, which
- 46:42is a pretty significant
- 46:44number, you know, yeah.
- 46:47That was a great
- 46:49talk. Glenda, thank you.
- 46:51Thank you. Yeah. So Glenda,
- 46:53we frequently see in in clinics,
- 46:56patients who are in their early 20s.
- 46:59They look like they have narcolepsy.
- 47:01They give a great history but they
- 47:04are on antidepressants and when
- 47:07we study them with an MSLT the
- 47:09results do not support a diagnosis
- 47:12of narcolepsy because they're
- 47:14on our REM suppressing agent.
- 47:17How do you think we should
- 47:19handle patients like that?
- 47:21Well, I mean. Like I mentioned always,
- 47:24ideally in an ideal world we would
- 47:26have them stop their antidepressants,
- 47:29but we know that that's not always possible.
- 47:33I do think that the clinical
- 47:36history is very important.
- 47:38If there's any question about a difference
- 47:41between type one and Type 2 narcolepsy,
- 47:43measuring CSF hypocretin
- 47:44levels might be useful,
- 47:46but I do think that the most important thing
- 47:49is to try to manage the patient symptoms.
- 47:53If the patient is presenting with
- 47:55excessive daytime sleepiness,
- 47:56of course using a wake
- 47:58promoting agent and then,
- 47:59like I mentioned,
- 48:00it may be helpful to check
- 48:02CSF hypocretin levels.
- 48:05OK, so does any. Are there any other
- 48:09questions that that people have?
- 48:14Hi this is a in where I put a question
- 48:17in the talk but I was just wondering.
- 48:20I haven't had a chance to read the new
- 48:23guidelines that came out recently,
- 48:24but I see that armor Daffodil is
- 48:26a conditional recommendation and
- 48:28monophony Liz a strong recommendation.
- 48:29Did they talk about why and the guidelines?
- 48:32They separated those two medicines
- 48:34out and one was strong.
- 48:35This woman was like a week or
- 48:37conditional recommendation.
- 48:38You know what Doctor we are?
- 48:40I would really have to
- 48:42get back to you on that.
- 48:44I did not see like why they would have,
- 48:47you know, made that difference,
- 48:49but yes, Ma definitely had
- 48:50a strong recommendation.
- 48:51I was going to have to get
- 48:53back to you on that one.
- 48:55Yeah, it's probably 'cause there's
- 48:56just. I would imagine there's just
- 48:58not as much information, but you know,
- 49:00usually what we do is, you know, we have.
- 49:02If we're going to use Medaugh alarm adapter
- 49:05will have a conversation with the patient,
- 49:07will talk about the advantage,
- 49:08disadvantage of having the opportunity
- 49:10to take that dose at noon and and
- 49:12some people just want take one
- 49:13pill and so just interesting 'cause
- 49:15that potentially could change.
- 49:17You know you would maybe.
- 49:18Say OK because of that recommendation
- 49:21we should be using more of a
- 49:25daffodil as the primary.
- 49:27Treatment if needed to be
- 49:28made for promoting medication.
- 49:30So just curious.
- 49:31Yeah, and I don't know when
- 49:33you're anxious parent.
- 49:34In my vast one year sleep fellow experience.
- 49:36Usually I find that patients have more
- 49:39headaches on Modafinil and armodafinil,
- 49:40so I don't know if that's if
- 49:43you've seen that. But yes, I'm.
- 49:45It's probably because there is lack of
- 49:47evidence for Arma definite that the
- 49:50recommendation was conditional. Yeah,
- 49:51I've seen it. Probably just
- 49:53anecdotally about equally between
- 49:55the two and most of the time.
- 49:57If they can plow through a week of treatment,
- 49:59usually the headaches with inside,
- 50:01so I kind of encourage them to continue
- 50:03for at least two weeks before they
- 50:06completely give up the medication,
- 50:08because the headaches but that,
- 50:09as you mentioned,
- 50:10that is a very common side effect
- 50:13with both of those pills.
- 50:14Yeah, yeah, it seems that Modafinil
- 50:16gives patients more flexibility
- 50:18as far as dosing as opposed to
- 50:20armodafinil there almost identical.
- 50:21Medications, as far as their
- 50:23efficacy adjust the dose dependency
- 50:26so it's once you take the armor,
- 50:28definitely don't want to take
- 50:30the second dose because of the
- 50:32longer acting nature of it, so,
- 50:34but definitely will be maybe a
- 50:37good starting medications and
- 50:38then perhaps switch over to Arma.
- 50:40Definitely if they need consistently two
- 50:43dosing per day. Yeah,
- 50:44so the the the original clinical
- 50:47trials done in in the US which
- 50:50led to registration by the FDA.
- 50:52The dosage was 400 milligrams of Modafinil
- 50:55and one shot in in in the morning.
- 50:58In the rest of the world.
- 51:00They didn't do that, it was,
- 51:02it was sort of a BID thing.
- 51:04Half of the dose in the morning,
- 51:07half the dosage at lunchtime,
- 51:09and that seems to actually work fairly well.
- 51:12And just like Doctor Motion and
- 51:14just mentioned, patients are able
- 51:16to titrate themselves that way.
- 51:17And sometimes they'll be.
- 51:19They'll be able to take 200 in the morning.
- 51:22100 lunchtime and maybe even another
- 51:25hundred at you know 4-5 o'clock in the
- 51:28evening if they're gonna be going to
- 51:31a concert or driving in the evening,
- 51:34so Modafinil gives a lot more flexibility.
- 51:38I have a question.
- 51:41So how do you
- 51:43know how and
- 51:44why the the? The app, the mean
- 51:48sleep latency for the Ms Lt
- 51:50was said at 8 minutes. How and why
- 51:55that was chosen?
- 51:58And I always think about a
- 52:00term pathologic sleeping.
- 52:01This is being less than five minutes.
- 52:04Does anybody use
- 52:05that term? Well,
- 52:06it used to be less than five,
- 52:09and it turns out that most narcolepsy
- 52:12patients are like way less than five an.
- 52:14I don't recall why it went to 8,
- 52:18but it suddenly went to 8 from 5.
- 52:21Ann and Ann. I don't remember
- 52:23the reason for it. I think
- 52:25it's because of the balance between
- 52:28the sensitivity and specificity,
- 52:29because if you.
- 52:30If you if you decrease it to five minutes,
- 52:34it's going to be more specific,
- 52:36but much less sensitive.
- 52:38And so the specificity of the
- 52:41test is like 95% the sensitivity
- 52:44is more like 70 to 80% so.
- 52:48You know combining those two
- 52:50features with those two numbers makes
- 52:53it most sensitive and specific.
- 52:56That's the reason, so
- 52:58it's sort of a sophistical
- 53:01thing. OK, one other one other
- 53:04question, and I've heard Doctor
- 53:06Maggio mentioned at the onset
- 53:09of. Sleep of Ram in the overnight
- 53:12sleep test when it's less than
- 53:1520 minutes, that alone is significant
- 53:18enough to make the diagnosis
- 53:20as far as he was concerned.
- 53:24So asleep on set run period,
- 53:26it is usually a onset of REM within
- 53:2915 minutes of achieving sleep.
- 53:31I haven't heard the the 20 minute criteria.
- 53:34It's usually with 15 and you should
- 53:36have two or more to make the diagnosis.
- 53:42So if you only had a 15 minutes only on
- 53:46the overnight test, you still committed to
- 53:48doing an MSL MSL T.
- 53:52To establish the diagnosis?
- 53:54Yes, for PSG and MSL T findings yet.
- 54:00One thing that I always wonder about
- 54:03is whether or not cataplexy that
- 54:05presses up cataplexy should
- 54:07be considered pathognomonic.
- 54:08Because when you look at the International
- 54:10Classification for Sleep Disorders,
- 54:12that's actually not part of their criteria.
- 54:15But there are sources outside of
- 54:17that that do suggest that it should
- 54:20be a pathognomonic
- 54:21criterion. You know,
- 54:22if the patient has cataplexy,
- 54:24then narcolepsy is the definite diagnosis.
- 54:26What do you think about that?
- 54:30I actually agree with that,
- 54:31specially with what we were talking about.
- 54:33The sensitivity and specificity of Ms Lt.
- 54:36I mean if the patient has
- 54:37kind of clear cut cataplexy,
- 54:39the MSL team not being such a great test.
- 54:42I think you know, treating them
- 54:45as a narcolepsy type one is valid.
- 54:51The only thing I would just say with
- 54:54that I think that to me that makes sense,
- 54:57except that remember,
- 54:58the cataplexy is basically a subjective
- 55:00finding that the patient gives you
- 55:02right so and now you're dealing with
- 55:04a very rare condition with controlled
- 55:07substance medications which you know
- 55:08include you know amphetamines and
- 55:10other potential medications of abuse.
- 55:12So I think you should still have, you know,
- 55:15objective testing to confirm the diagnosis,
- 55:17even with the obvious
- 55:19cataplexy DAG cataplexy.
- 55:20Symptom because I will tell you
- 55:22just from personal experience,
- 55:23I will see a lot of patients for second
- 55:25opinion who want me to prescribe them
- 55:28controlled substance and they give a
- 55:30great story and then when I tell them
- 55:32that before I'm going to prescribe
- 55:34any medicines I need to see objective
- 55:36testing or we need to repeat testing
- 55:39and then I never see them again.
- 55:40So you just gotta be careful with that.
- 55:43But I think if you have if you have that
- 55:46diagnosis then just in terms of the rent,
- 55:48suppression and and and.
- 55:50Medications you know.
- 55:51I personally will not do Ms,
- 55:53Lt and narcolepsy work up with
- 55:54someone who's on our rent.
- 55:56Suppressive medication.
- 55:57In the absence of a cataplexy symptom,
- 55:59because I just find that it gets
- 56:01very muddy and you have a potential
- 56:03false negatives and even potentially
- 56:04false positives if they just
- 56:06abruptly stopped the medication.
- 56:08So gets a little dicey there.
- 56:10But I know, you know,
- 56:11sometimes you really stuck.
- 56:12You want to help these patients,
- 56:14but it gets a little dicey when you have
- 56:17him on a REM suppressing medication.
- 56:21Alright, so one
- 56:23more question there, go ahead.
- 56:27You can come across any kind of
- 56:30mention of doing urine testing for
- 56:33either pro waking drugs to evade the
- 56:37effect of SLT or actually taking.
- 56:41Kind of asleep promoting
- 56:42agents prior to the testing.
- 56:46So say that again, Doctor Moses.
- 56:48So like doing drug testing prior to the MSL
- 56:51team. Yeah, I think we used to do
- 56:54urine test before MSL tear the Knights
- 56:56of PSG just to make sure that they
- 56:59are not on any either wake promoting
- 57:02or sleep promoting medications.
- 57:03Yeah, and some some labs will do also
- 57:06like active ticker fee or sleep Diaries
- 57:09just to ensure that they are not sleep
- 57:11deprived as well and then the urine testing
- 57:14before the the PSG MSL T to ensure.
- 57:17That there are no other substances that
- 57:19could kind of taint the results of the test.
- 57:22Yeah, and do you do any urine
- 57:24testing at your sleep center?
- 57:27So at Norwalk it's it's absolutely
- 57:30mandatory that they all get drug
- 57:32testing the morning of the MSL T,
- 57:34and I would strongly strongly
- 57:36caution not doing that.
- 57:38'cause that just seems so.
- 57:40We picked up positive we picked up cocaine.
- 57:42We picked up benzos.
- 57:44We picked up opiates.
- 57:45We picked up all sorts of stuff and so I
- 57:48think that's really absolutely necessary.
- 57:51Those are very nice study that looked
- 57:53at in the pediatric population and they
- 57:56found that essentially if someone was.
- 57:58Under 13 it was very very low yield,
- 58:01so we generally will not do it
- 58:03for anyone who's 3rd, 12 or under.
- 58:06But the 13 to 18 year old range you you
- 58:09you know there was a number of positives,
- 58:12and especially what I've seen is
- 58:14we've seen tremendous amount of
- 58:16positive marijuana because it's now,
- 58:17you know,
- 58:18approved and medical marijuana and
- 58:20they may not tell you about it.
- 58:22So I I definitely think that is.
- 58:25I could tell you many,
- 58:26many stories of positive urine drug
- 58:28screens that changed the diagnosis.
- 58:30Where if you didn't have that
- 58:32test result of positive cocaine,
- 58:34you would have given the person narcolepsy
- 58:36diagnosis and then also a Tigger free.
- 58:38In my opinion is mandatory and
- 58:40strongly recommended because again
- 58:41insufficient sleep and and I can also
- 58:43give you a bunch of other stories
- 58:45of people doing things that in the
- 58:47middle of the night that didn't.
- 58:49They don't want their parents to
- 58:51know about and they would have
- 58:53been diagnosed with narcolepsy
- 58:54if we didn't have to take a
- 58:56break. I agree with you.
- 58:59I think you're in testing at
- 59:02minimum should be done in in the
- 59:05era of drug abuse and overuse.
- 59:07Absolutely, I is it. Dan McNally.
- 59:10We we do drug testing on everybody
- 59:13and we also are very careful
- 59:16about not just looking by sleep
- 59:18Diaries or preferably actigraphy
- 59:20for their insufficient sleep,
- 59:22but also because of sleep phase delay.
- 59:25The individuals again, adolescence.
- 59:27With sleep phase delay shifting
- 59:30that Clock over to those morning
- 59:32hours makes you much more likely
- 59:35to have a REM sleep episode.
- 59:37That doesn't mean narcolepsy on your testing.
- 59:44Alright, so it's already past
- 59:463:00 o'clock and an I'd like
- 59:49to thank Linda for a wonderful presentation.
- 59:53And you have another 12 or 13 minutes
- 59:56to register your for your CME credits.
- 60:00So anyways, have a great
- 01:00:02week and thank you again,
- 01:00:04Glenda for a fantastic job. Thank you.