Trauma & Anxiety
December 12, 2020ID5998
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- 00:00And we want your feedback
- 00:02about how this format works.
- 00:04This is, we think,
- 00:05a chance to embrace the future and
- 00:07embrace a new way of reaching people
- 00:09and telling them about the child
- 00:11study center and getting your input
- 00:13about the Child study Center as well.
- 00:16So today's session is about trauma and
- 00:20working with children under adversity
- 00:23and who have experienced trauma.
- 00:26And we have two members of our faculty,
- 00:28Steven Marans and Ellie
- 00:30Liebowitz to kick us all.
- 00:33The other point that I just want
- 00:35to make is that perhaps there is
- 00:37never been a time even more than
- 00:40now where children's behavioral
- 00:41health services are in need.
- 00:44You may have been aware of the
- 00:46recent report just from the
- 00:48Center for Disease Control shows.
- 00:51The dramatic increase in need for
- 00:53behavioral health services from
- 00:55children from birth through age 18.
- 00:57We are in the sense we're in a
- 01:00parallel surge of parallel pandemic
- 01:02of the need for behavioral health,
- 01:05and nothing perhaps contributes more
- 01:07than the stress and uncertainty of the
- 01:10current circumstances that all of
- 01:12our communities and
- 01:13families find themselves in.
- 01:15So it is fitting that we start
- 01:18with this particular topic.
- 01:20I mean, I want to turn it over
- 01:22now to Doctor Steven Marans who
- 01:24is some Professor Harris professor
- 01:26in the trial study Center.
- 01:28The leader of our child development
- 01:30and Community Policing Program,
- 01:32and provides a tremendous amount of
- 01:33services to children and families
- 01:35who have experienced both acute
- 01:37and chronic trauma.
- 01:38So may I turn it to Steven to
- 01:40you and to kick us off in this
- 01:43new format on this day?
- 01:45Thank you.
- 01:48Great, so now I'm hoping that I can
- 01:51get back to slides. Duncan you can I.
- 01:55Point me in the right direction here.
- 01:57Yeah, if you got your slides up,
- 01:59go to the share screen
- 02:00button in the bottom
- 02:01of those in window there.
- 02:05Got it. OK, there you go.
- 02:09So thank you Linda and thank you
- 02:12all for being together today.
- 02:14I want to begin by first
- 02:17thanking the the Harris family,
- 02:19who in doubt my chair that
- 02:22actually allows the trauma section.
- 02:24The childhood Violent Trauma Center,
- 02:26which I'm the director of to continue
- 02:30to work and thrive as well as to.
- 02:33Well, thanks and gratitude to Thomas.
- 02:37I could ask to one moment, Steven,
- 02:39if I could ask everyone else to mute
- 02:42while Steven and others are talking.
- 02:44And Duncan, can you help us with
- 02:46the muting? Sorry Steven. Maybe
- 02:47you could go.
- 02:51OK, so just get Tom.
- 02:54You get to have a another
- 02:56thank you opportunity.
- 02:58I bet the support of the the
- 03:01associates is enormously important,
- 03:03especially in these times,
- 03:05with funding cuts continuing
- 03:07and demand increasing.
- 03:08So I want to begin by thinking about.
- 03:14Oh my goodness. Sorry.
- 03:22I am trying to back OK.
- 03:25Yeah, I want to begin by thinking about
- 03:28some of the common sources of threat,
- 03:32danger, and distress that all
- 03:34of the shares human beings and
- 03:36unfortunately all of us are feeling
- 03:39to some extent or another.
- 03:41Do the covid covid pandemic.
- 03:43None of these will surprise you,
- 03:45but they are all dangers that
- 03:47as human beings we share.
- 03:52We think about these dangers as being
- 03:55the context for considering what
- 03:57we mean by psychological trauma.
- 03:59We consider psychological traumas
- 04:01and injury that occurs when there's
- 04:04an overwhelming unanticipated
- 04:05danger involving some of the things
- 04:08with which we are all familiar.
- 04:10That leads to a subjective experience
- 04:13of helplessness, loss of control,
- 04:15and the experience of what we
- 04:17call feeling overwhelmed.
- 04:20This is a situation in which there
- 04:23is an immobilization of our usual
- 04:25normally available capacities to
- 04:28defend against danger and to decrease
- 04:31feelings of fear and anxiety,
- 04:33and in fact,
- 04:34there's a neurophysiologic dysregulation
- 04:36that significantly disrupts our
- 04:38affect of cognitive, somatic,
- 04:40and behavioral responses to stimuli.
- 04:43We've learned a lot about the
- 04:46phenomenon of trauma through 30
- 04:48odd years of our work as a trauma
- 04:51section in addressing the needs of
- 04:54children and families who've been
- 04:56exposed to a host of potentially
- 04:59traumatic events ranging from murder,
- 05:01sexual abuse to accidental injuries,
- 05:03an mass casualty events.
- 05:06And we've had, we know,
- 05:08not only from our work,
- 05:10but from research around the world,
- 05:13that the longer term consequences
- 05:15are incredibly significant when
- 05:17there's a failure of recovery from the
- 05:20traumatic dysregulation that occurs
- 05:21when children are exposed to the
- 05:24kind of circumstances that I was outlining.
- 05:27And in fact,
- 05:28we know that two of the most significant
- 05:31predictors of poor outcome is the
- 05:34failure to identify affected children.
- 05:36Or for them to receive the adequate
- 05:39social supports that aid their recovery.
- 05:43We know that the long term sequelae
- 05:46I do not just include PTSD,
- 05:49but also higher risk for substance abuse,
- 05:52school failures,
- 05:53anxiety disorders,
- 05:54mood disorders,
- 05:55and increased risk of victimization as
- 05:57well as increased risk of perpetrating
- 06:00the very violent circumstances to
- 06:02which they were originally exposed.
- 06:05We also know that there's a
- 06:08way of changing the math.
- 06:10We know that unrecognized.
- 06:13Trump trauma plus being untreated
- 06:16plus failure.
- 06:17Recovery leads to poor outcomes.
- 06:22We can change that math when we apply what
- 06:25we know to increasing identification,
- 06:28increasing early intervention,
- 06:29and support for recovery.
- 06:34So I want to just briefly review
- 06:36some of the areas of work of the
- 06:39childhood violent trauma center.
- 06:41This includes, as Linda mentioned,
- 06:43or child development
- 06:45Community Policing Program,
- 06:46a longstanding partnership with
- 06:47police in order to better immediately
- 06:50respond to children and families
- 06:52impacted by traumatic events,
- 06:53and that has led to the development of
- 06:57a national model that has been broadly
- 07:00disseminated here in the States and abroad.
- 07:03It's also led to the development of an early.
- 07:07The only early evidence based trauma
- 07:09focused treatment for children.
- 07:11The child and family,
- 07:12traumatic stress intervention it has
- 07:14led to an increased collaboration
- 07:17with Neil New Haven Hospital's
- 07:19pediatric emergency room and sexual
- 07:21abuse clinic and has led to the
- 07:23development of what is now a nationally
- 07:26disseminated trauma informed policing
- 07:28tool kit and training and continues
- 07:30to involve training psychology,
- 07:32child psychiatry and social work.
- 07:34Fellows and trauma focused treatments.
- 07:36As well as psychodynamic psychotherapy.
- 07:39And through our work,
- 07:41the center provides trauma focused cognitive,
- 07:44behavioral therapy,
- 07:45and psychodynamic therapy to help children
- 07:48who need work beyond our early intervention.
- 07:52We've also been involved in responses
- 07:55to mass casualty events and have worked
- 07:58closely with policy makers to take what
- 08:01we've learned to translate into policy.
- 08:04That includes increase the resources
- 08:06for children and families who are
- 08:09affected by potentially traumatic
- 08:11experiences to aid in their recovery.
- 08:15So very briefly,
- 08:16the child development Community
- 08:18Policing program began in 1991.
- 08:21And involves and aims to increase
- 08:23the provision of clinically relevant
- 08:26services to children and families
- 08:28and communities impacted by violent.
- 08:31Another catastrophic catastrophic events.
- 08:34And the elements involved.
- 08:36Training for police officers.
- 08:38Training for clinicians.
- 08:39A 24/7 acute response consultation service
- 08:43follow up home visits an referral for
- 08:46clinic based trauma focused treatments.
- 08:53What you're seeing in front of you
- 08:55is a slide of what is now a national
- 08:59nationally available toolkit for law
- 09:01enforcement agencies that increase
- 09:03the opportunities for police officers
- 09:06to serve an important function in
- 09:08initiating recovery by first recognizing
- 09:11and responding in a developmentally
- 09:13appropriate way to the children
- 09:16and adults who are impacted by the
- 09:18events that require police presence.
- 09:23The child and family traumatic
- 09:25Stress Intervention is a 5 to 8
- 09:28evidence based early intervention.
- 09:30That is for children who've been
- 09:33exposed to potentially traumatic
- 09:35event or after the recent disclosure
- 09:37of sexual and physical abuse.
- 09:39What's been impressive is that
- 09:41this is really taking a family
- 09:43strengthening approach to treatment.
- 09:46Increasing communication
- 09:46between child and caregivers.
- 09:48An increasing support for children
- 09:50impacted by traumatic events.
- 09:52You'll see that we've developed adaptations.
- 09:55But perhaps most significant is
- 09:57what we've learned that CF TSI can.
- 10:00Decrease the likelihood of
- 10:02development of PTSD and related
- 10:05disorders by 65 to 73% and more
- 10:08recently we've learned that CF.
- 10:10TSI can also significantly
- 10:12decrease the post traumatic
- 10:14reactions of adults involved.
- 10:20Again, we are.
- 10:21This is now being broadly disseminated.
- 10:24We've now trained,
- 10:25close to 800 providers nationally
- 10:27and internationally,
- 10:28and we have developed a database,
- 10:31a research database of over 3000
- 10:34children that we're using to
- 10:36further evaluate the effectiveness,
- 10:38and the active mechanisms in the
- 10:42successful outcomes of CF TSI.
- 10:44Damaged with develop virtual adaptations
- 10:47of CF TSI treatment and training and
- 10:50have shared that with CFTO site grant
- 10:53providers around the country and abroad.
- 10:56In response to COVID-19,
- 10:58we have developed guidelines to help support
- 11:01the impact of the pandemic on adults.
- 11:04Help, we've developed guidelines
- 11:06to help parents and caregivers
- 11:08support their children.
- 11:09Through COVID-19,
- 11:10these have been broadly
- 11:12disseminated through news media.
- 11:14US Congress Hill, New Haven Hospital,
- 11:16and others.
- 11:17We've also developed along with my CF TSI Co.
- 11:21Developer carry up steam carrying.
- 11:23I developed the acute stress intervention.
- 11:26For adults,
- 11:27this is was developed in order to
- 11:30support hospital staff in New Haven
- 11:33who have been significantly impacted
- 11:36by the intense experience of treating
- 11:38the volume of COVID-19 patients,
- 11:41and we have trained over 100 mental
- 11:44health professionals locally who
- 11:46are available to provide one on one.
- 11:49Consultations for hospital staff
- 11:52who are feeling the understandable
- 11:54reactions to the heavy load of.
- 11:57Their work.
- 11:58We've also conducted an acute
- 12:01stress intervention training for
- 12:04over 400 mental health providers.
- 12:07Um, both, both nationally and abroad as well.
- 12:14And again, what we know is that
- 12:17when reality converges with an
- 12:19evokes our most powerful fears,
- 12:21there's a disruption in the way
- 12:23that our brains work and our
- 12:26abilities to normally reduce stress,
- 12:28not just traumatic experience,
- 12:30but stress is undermined,
- 12:31and it's not surprising that
- 12:33many of us may be familiar with
- 12:36the intensified feelings of loss
- 12:38of control and helplessness,
- 12:40and we see a host and may
- 12:43have experienced a host.
- 12:45Of of stress related symptomatic responses.
- 12:50In the physical and semantic arenas.
- 12:54In the cognitive arena.
- 12:57In the affective or emotional arena.
- 13:02And in interference with some of the
- 13:06standard expectations of optimal behaviors.
- 13:12So when so much of our external
- 13:15world is in fact out of our control,
- 13:18it's important to find
- 13:19ways to increase control,
- 13:21and so the guidelines that we developed
- 13:23in much of the consultation we do with
- 13:27our pediatric and internal medicine,
- 13:29health care providers and others
- 13:31has been focused on 1st helping
- 13:33people to understand what's going
- 13:35on with them and then to provide
- 13:38guidelines for walking through both
- 13:40recognizing one's own symptomatology.
- 13:42And identifying coping strategies and why
- 13:45these coping strategies might be effective?
- 13:49So we've developed this first for
- 13:52adults and then subsequently we
- 13:54developed a guideline for parents
- 13:57helping children to cope with COVID-19.
- 14:00And and children's response to that
- 14:02also help parents to better understand
- 14:04their children and to find strategies
- 14:06for decreasing the increased stress
- 14:08that children may be experiencing,
- 14:10not only as a result of the
- 14:12fears and worries about COVID-19,
- 14:14but also because of the enormous
- 14:16impact that they just that the
- 14:18disruptions have had on their lives.
- 14:23We've, as I mentioned,
- 14:24also developed the acute stress intervention,
- 14:27which is a one to four session model for
- 14:30consulting with health care providers
- 14:32and others who may not yet need a
- 14:35more extensive clinical involvement,
- 14:37but are aimed to help support their
- 14:39ability to get a better handle
- 14:42on their symptomatic reactions
- 14:43and to take greater control.
- 14:48We've also, as I mentioned,
- 14:50develop Connect virtual training,
- 14:52which has been broadly offered to mental
- 14:55health providers around the country,
- 14:58so I will stop there.
- 15:00This was meant to be a.
- 15:05Rapid sort of introduction
- 15:06so that we can look forward
- 15:08to a discussion with you all,
- 15:11and I will now turn it over if I can.
- 15:16To my esteemed colleague Eli
- 15:18Boards talking review, it's before
- 15:20you before you start,
- 15:21let me just remind everyone if
- 15:23you have a question to please
- 15:25put it in the chat. Mr slash.
- 15:28I see that you were Doctor Marincin
- 15:30and will let both speaker speak and
- 15:33then we'll go to the questions.
- 15:35But please use the chat and will.
- 15:38Her and get your questions
- 15:40answered as soon as Doctor
- 15:42Liebowitz feeds Doctor Liebowitz.
- 15:45Thank you. Well, thank you very much Steve.
- 15:49And those inspiring and thank you Linda.
- 15:51And of course thank you to each
- 15:54and everyone of the associates.
- 15:56All of you for joining us today and
- 15:59for the really critical support that
- 16:01you provide to the work that we do
- 16:05at the Child study Center. So my.
- 16:09The presentation is pre recorded in,
- 16:12perhaps in a nod to the uncertainty
- 16:14that we're all living through,
- 16:16so I'm going to be playing a
- 16:19pre recorded video for you,
- 16:21but I am here and will be happy
- 16:24to address any questions together
- 16:26with together with Steven and Ann.
- 16:29This is a little bit less of a
- 16:33formal presentation and innocence.
- 16:35You might say a reflection on this
- 16:38past year and what we have been living
- 16:41through and the work that we have been
- 16:43doing to try to meet the challenges
- 16:46that all of us have been experiencing.
- 16:48So let me try to bring that up now.
- 16:56OK.
- 16:59Is that up?
- 17:01What's up?
- 17:03Good Ali, thank you
- 17:04very much. OK, so you get
- 17:06a peek at my living room.
- 17:11Thank you for the opportunity
- 17:13to talk with you all about
- 17:15the work we've been doing in the
- 17:17area of childhood anxiety disorders.
- 17:20Even in the best of times,
- 17:22anxiety disorders are the most
- 17:24common mental health problems
- 17:25in children and adolescents,
- 17:27causing tremendous distress and
- 17:29impairment to the lives of millions
- 17:32of children and their families.
- 17:34But let's face it,
- 17:36this has not been the best of times.
- 17:39The entire globe has been thrown
- 17:41into turmoil by a pandemic,
- 17:43the likes of which none of us have
- 17:46ever seen before lives livelihoods
- 17:48have been lost at a staggering pace,
- 17:52and our world sometimes seems unrecognizable.
- 17:55This country has been rocked by an
- 17:59explosive outpouring of pain and
- 18:01anger at injustice and unfairness.
- 18:03These are what one might normally
- 18:06think of as issues for adults,
- 18:09but in 2020 no child is oblivious.
- 18:13I think my own school aged children
- 18:16probably know more about Epidemiology
- 18:18today than their dad did a year ago.
- 18:21It's now almost exactly one year
- 18:23to the day since the first known
- 18:27COVID-19 patient became ill.
- 18:29In that year,
- 18:30children's lives have changed more
- 18:33rapidly and more dramatically than any
- 18:35of us would have thought possible.
- 18:38Even for children without a
- 18:41pronounced predisposition,
- 18:42word anxiety problems this year
- 18:45has been anxiety provoking.
- 18:47And for the one in three children with a
- 18:50natural vulnerability to anxiety disorders,
- 18:52it has been a challenge that at
- 18:55times has seemed insurmountable.
- 18:58Consider the ways in which anxious
- 19:00children tend to approach the world
- 19:03and the situations they confront.
- 19:05We tend to shy away from change
- 19:07and to feel most comfortable with
- 19:10familiarity patterns, repetition.
- 19:12They tend to dislike surprises
- 19:15and unpredictability,
- 19:16preferring the predictable in the
- 19:19foreseeable whenever possible.
- 19:20And they tend to abhor uncertainty,
- 19:23seeking positive assurances and absolutes.
- 19:28Change unpredictability uncertainty.
- 19:31Maybe the three best words to
- 19:35describe this entire year.
- 19:38It is no surprise that so
- 19:41many children are struggling.
- 19:43For some,
- 19:43the hardest part comes when their life
- 19:46seems to change almost overnight,
- 19:48and so many of the patterns they
- 19:50rely on of the things they take
- 19:52for granted as making up their
- 19:54daily world are suddenly either
- 19:57different or completely suspended.
- 19:59For others, it's actually.
- 20:00We ask them to resume a semblance
- 20:03of normality that they seem to
- 20:05struggle the most for the child with
- 20:08separation anxiety disorder who's not
- 20:10been separated from his parents for
- 20:13months because there's really nowhere to go.
- 20:16Going back to school can seem daunting,
- 20:19and for the child with
- 20:21social anxiety disorder,
- 20:22who's been socially distancing
- 20:23and even isolating at home,
- 20:25walking back into a classroom
- 20:27can feel overwhelming.
- 20:31The anxiety and Mood Disorders program
- 20:33under the leadership of Doctor Wendy
- 20:36Silverman and the broader clinical
- 20:37services of the Yale Child Study Center
- 20:40has taken an active role in helping
- 20:42children and families face this challenge.
- 20:45As a program that was already providing
- 20:48Tele treatment to many families,
- 20:51we were uniquely poised to transition to
- 20:54a completely online model and to continue
- 20:57to provide therapy and consultation.
- 20:59Through countless interviews on radio
- 21:01and television and print and online,
- 21:04we have been there to offer guidance and
- 21:07support to parents struggling to adapt to
- 21:10the new and constantly changing realities.
- 21:13We help parents.
- 21:14Sessions consulted the schools.
- 21:16One remote learning as well as the
- 21:19return to classrooms and we held online
- 21:22webinars and information sessions for
- 21:24both the lay and professional Publix.
- 21:27But this year hasn't only been
- 21:29about bad news,
- 21:30even while we juggled the
- 21:31shutting down and reopening of our
- 21:34in person clinical services,
- 21:35we continued to make strides in our
- 21:38key missions of research and education.
- 21:40With funding from NIH,
- 21:42we completed the first ever clinical
- 21:44trial of childhood anxiety disorders
- 21:47that used brain imaging before and after
- 21:49treatment to learn about what changes
- 21:51in a child's brain due to treatment.
- 21:56The clinical study focused on a
- 21:58parent based treatment called space
- 22:00or supportive parenting for anxious
- 22:02childhood emotions that we developed
- 22:05here at the Child Study Center.
- 22:07Space focuses on teaching parents
- 22:09to respond to their child's anxiety
- 22:12symptoms in a supportive manner,
- 22:14showing them both genuine acceptance
- 22:16of their distress as well as confidence
- 22:20in the child's ability to cope with
- 22:22and to tolerate that distress.
- 22:25Parents in space learn to systematically
- 22:28reduce the accommodations that
- 22:30they've been making to the child.
- 22:32Symptoms allowing the return of
- 22:35normal functioning and healthier
- 22:37interactions in relationships.
- 22:39In a previous randomized clinical
- 22:41trial of space,
- 22:42we compared it with cognitive
- 22:44behavioral therapy and found that
- 22:46space was just as efficacious as
- 22:48working directly with the child.
- 22:50The findings from that study were
- 22:52published in the Journal of the
- 22:55American Academy of Child and
- 22:57Adolescent Psychiatry one year ago,
- 22:58and became the most cited article in
- 23:01the Journal during that past year.
- 23:05In the study we just completed the findings
- 23:08of which are not even published yet.
- 23:11Children looked at images while we
- 23:14used functional magnetic resonance
- 23:16imaging or fMRI to observe patterns
- 23:18of activity in their brains.
- 23:20We did this both before the start of
- 23:23their first treatment and after they
- 23:26ended their last treatment session.
- 23:28By comparing brain activity when the
- 23:31child lay alone in the scanner to
- 23:33brain activation when their mother
- 23:35stood nearby and held their hand,
- 23:38we were able to observe just how dependent
- 23:41each child was on their attachment,
- 23:43figure their mother to regulate
- 23:46their fear and anxiety.
- 23:48Following space treatment compared
- 23:50with the control comparison condition,
- 23:52children were significantly better relabel
- 23:54to regulate their own fear independently,
- 23:57and they were less reliant on their parents
- 24:01for family accommodation and less anxious.
- 24:05We're continuing this research
- 24:07and yet another clinical trial.
- 24:10This year has also been one of tremendous
- 24:13progress in the dissemination of our
- 24:15work to a broader and broader audience.
- 24:18News about the new parent based treatment
- 24:21for child anxiety out of the Yale Child
- 24:24Study Center has received attention
- 24:26everywhere from NPR to the Atlantic,
- 24:29to CNN and countless other news sources.
- 24:33Let me share with you one example
- 24:35from a local news channel.
- 24:37Going to the National Institutes of Health,
- 24:40the number of kids struggling with anxiety,
- 24:42depression and other mental health
- 24:44conditions has steadily been underlines.
- 24:46That's right,
- 24:46therapy and medication may help,
- 24:48but for some kids and their families,
- 24:50that's little relief. Tonight.
- 24:52Now Anderson tells us how researchers
- 24:55are studying a new method that
- 24:57helps parents help their children.
- 24:59Bedtime for some families
- 25:00can become a struggle,
- 25:01but when the goodnight routine
- 25:03for Nicole Murphy's son began to
- 25:06stretch for up to three hours,
- 25:08she knew she needed help
- 25:09with his separation anxiety.
- 25:13Non stop, so it's kind of hard.
- 25:17Allie Liebowitz and his colleagues
- 25:18at the Yale Child Study Center
- 25:20developed a method of training
- 25:22parents to support anxious children.
- 25:24It's called space or supportive
- 25:26parenting for anxious childhood emotions.
- 25:28Parents go through training to help
- 25:30their child face anxiety level.
- 25:32It says the first step is to
- 25:34show support and not downplay
- 25:36what their child is feeling.
- 25:38I did it.
- 25:39This is really hard but I know
- 25:42you can handle it label. It
- 25:44says. Parents also learn to help their
- 25:46child by not accommodating them.
- 25:49For example, a parent who would
- 25:51limit visitors for a child who gets
- 25:53anxious around strangers or speaks for
- 25:55a child who gets nervous speaking,
- 25:58learns not to take those steps in the
- 26:01study of 124 kids and their parents.
- 26:03The Yale researchers examined whether
- 26:05the space intervention was effective
- 26:07in treating children's anxiety even
- 26:09though the children never met directly
- 26:11with the therapist and all the work
- 26:13was done for the
- 26:15parents, we found that
- 26:16space was just
- 26:17as effective as CBT. In
- 26:19treating childhood anxiety disorders.
- 26:21The Monkees used the techniques learned
- 26:24through space to coach their sign
- 26:26through bedtime within a few weeks.
- 26:28He was falling asleep in 30 minutes.
- 26:30It was practically like like
- 26:32changing constant for news 10.
- 26:34I'm Mallory Anderson,
- 26:35reporting Mallory.
- 26:35Thank you For more information about
- 26:37space or to find a practitioner in Michigan,
- 26:40click on the links in this
- 26:42article on our website.
- 26:45It's so brief, but in just under 2 minutes
- 26:48parents can learn some key points that
- 26:51can have long lasting impact on their
- 26:54children's anxiety and development.
- 26:56Therapists around the world have also
- 26:59been eager to learn how to deliver
- 27:01space treatment in their own work,
- 27:03and we have held training workshops
- 27:05each month so that hundreds of
- 27:08clinicians around the world can now
- 27:10offer space as another option for
- 27:12helping children and families impacted
- 27:14by childhood anxiety disorders.
- 27:17Recently we received a grant from
- 27:19the National Institutes of Health
- 27:21to continue the work of studying
- 27:23this treatment and its impacts on
- 27:26child anxiety and brain functioning.
- 27:28In other areas of research,
- 27:30we're making exciting discoveries with
- 27:32the potential to inform future treatments.
- 27:34One example is our work in the
- 27:37fibroblast growth factor system.
- 27:38This system was first shown in animal
- 27:41studies that we linked to behavioral and
- 27:44biological models of anxiety and depression.
- 27:47We conducted the first study of this
- 27:50potential novel biomarker in human
- 27:52children with anxiety and depression,
- 27:54and the findings are consistent
- 27:56with what was shown in rodents.
- 27:59Fibroblast growth factor 2,
- 28:01which plays important roles in brain
- 28:03development and in the generation
- 28:05of neurons throughout life,
- 28:07is linked to symptoms of anxiety
- 28:10and depression in children.
- 28:12One thing that makes this research
- 28:15so exciting is that the fiberglassed
- 28:17system is not targeted by any
- 28:20current treatments for anxiety.
- 28:22Discovering a new layer of the
- 28:25biological infrastructure underlying
- 28:27anxiety problems could lead to an
- 28:30entirely new class of treatments for
- 28:33these common and debilitating problems.
- 28:36So it has been a difficult year for all
- 28:40of us are year truly unlike any other.
- 28:43But the Child study Center and the
- 28:46anxiety program have been there
- 28:48throughout doing what we can to help
- 28:50children and families struggling
- 28:52today and learning what we can to help
- 28:55children and families in the future.
- 28:58Thank you.
- 29:07So thank you Doctor Liebowitz and
- 29:09Doctor Mehrens we now have two
- 29:11questions in the chat which I'd
- 29:12like to and I encourage encourage
- 29:15everyone to either speak up and ask
- 29:17questions or put them in the chat.
- 29:20The first one, Steven was about
- 29:22your work and there are any other
- 29:25providers trained in your model
- 29:27serving young people impacted by
- 29:29family home destruction such as the
- 29:32Hurricanes or wildfires or earthquakes.
- 29:34So would you like to address that?
- 29:37Yes, so many of the things that
- 29:39we're doing in the midst of of
- 29:41COVID-19 in terms of the broad
- 29:44public health approach was which is
- 29:47about increasing information and
- 29:49strategies for the broad populist.
- 29:51Have been applied in past hurricanes
- 29:54and and other catastrophic natural
- 29:58catastrophic events, and.
- 30:00They are available currently,
- 30:02as well as folks who are trained in CF
- 30:06Geosci in affected areas are employing
- 30:09CF TSI for families who are able to
- 30:14have access to those clinical services.
- 30:19Thank you Ann.
- 30:22Doctor Califon oh has asked both of you.
- 30:24Could you speak to your thoughts
- 30:26about the next stage of the
- 30:28pandemic that we are actually
- 30:29in the mid staff and what you
- 30:32would anticipate the next level
- 30:33of needs might be and how all of
- 30:35us as clinicians should respond.
- 30:38I only wanted to take that first.
- 30:43Thank you.
- 30:46I, I think we're actually entering where are
- 30:50in a really critical phase of this entire.
- 30:54Saga when it comes to mental health needs,
- 30:58and not only because of the increasing
- 31:01empirical evidence for the frequency of
- 31:04mental health problems among individuals
- 31:06who are diagnosed with COVID-19.
- 31:09And there has been some really troubling
- 31:13research around the prevalence of those
- 31:16of mental health problems among people who
- 31:20do get covid but also the cause of the.
- 31:26The wear and tear in a sense that
- 31:30repeated and long-term challenges have,
- 31:33you know, many of us, really.
- 31:39Shine in the initial moments of crisis.
- 31:42It is true that many will struggle,
- 31:45but many will also.
- 31:47China those sure shorter term initial
- 31:50moments of crisis we we may recruit
- 31:53resources we may rise to the occasion,
- 31:56but that gets increasingly
- 31:58harder to do as time goes by.
- 32:01And as we cycle through
- 32:05another another cycle of.
- 32:07Loss in many cases,
- 32:09many children are going to be
- 32:11experiencing the loss of family members,
- 32:14loved ones and relatives and also repeated
- 32:18cycles of loss of our of all those
- 32:21things that make up our daily lives.
- 32:24And I think that we're going to see
- 32:28tremendous need in in children as they.
- 32:32You know,
- 32:32come to terms with this new phase,
- 32:35an everything that it's going
- 32:37to mean and we don't even yet.
- 32:39No what it is going to mean for
- 32:42different places around the country
- 32:44and we're going to see tremendous
- 32:46need in parents who are going to
- 32:48be coping themselves with all of
- 32:50the obligations that they have.
- 32:52Whether those are financial,
- 32:54physical,
- 32:54health related and the requirements
- 32:56of their children.
- 32:57So what I think we can foresee
- 32:59is really a high level of.
- 33:02Need and and I think we need to be.
- 33:05Braced for that because it's
- 33:07going to be substantial.
- 33:10So I would agree with
- 33:12everything that they do.
- 33:14We're just saying Ellie and I would.
- 33:16I would add just a few a few comments.
- 33:20One is that no right now we are
- 33:23confronted with and in the midst of
- 33:25a of a huge resurgence that brings
- 33:28home not only the threat of death,
- 33:30but continued disruption an
- 33:32that fear and helplessness.
- 33:34Is are powerful enough factors,
- 33:37but the length of time that people have
- 33:41been sustaining the impact of COVID-19
- 33:44also can lead to 1/3 ingredient,
- 33:47which is a sense of hopelessness.
- 33:50Fortunately,
- 33:50the announcement about the vaccines
- 33:53can help to hopefully offset the
- 33:56impact of that latter factor,
- 33:59but there's no more time and
- 34:02no harder time than now.
- 34:04After this long haul to recognize the
- 34:07extent to which we are all impacted.
- 34:11There is a version of Covid fatigue
- 34:14that makes us want to turn away,
- 34:17including from our own experiences
- 34:19that in turn has implications
- 34:22not only for us as adults but
- 34:25also for adults as parents.
- 34:27And so again,
- 34:28the idea of our task of being able to
- 34:31increase and focus attention not only
- 34:34on individuals ability to identify that
- 34:37what they're experiencing is normal,
- 34:40but not nice.
- 34:41But there are also some ways of
- 34:43attending to structured approaches
- 34:45to mitigating the impact and
- 34:48the symptoms that follow is
- 34:51especially important right now.
- 34:55Thank you Steve and Eli.
- 34:57There is a question from Julie
- 34:59Klingenstein, can you provide a link
- 35:01to the space guidance for parents?
- 35:05Yes, in fact I will write a link.
- 35:08I'll say it, but I will write a
- 35:10link in the chat because maybe that
- 35:13will be even easier. So I just did.
- 35:16So the best place to get information
- 35:18relating to space treatment is on
- 35:21the website spacetreatment.net,
- 35:23which I maintain. Any resources?
- 35:26There's information for professionals
- 35:28who are interested in becoming trained,
- 35:30but there's also many resources for
- 35:32parents and others on the Resource tab.
- 35:35There are links to both books
- 35:37and research articles,
- 35:38as well as many media articles
- 35:40like I mentioned in the video,
- 35:42and there are also forums where
- 35:45parents and professionals can
- 35:46interact and write and get advice
- 35:48and connect with each other,
- 35:50so that's the best place to
- 35:52visit for information about space
- 35:54is really space treatment.
- 35:58And also another question,
- 35:59is there a specific age range that the
- 36:01interventions are best suited for?
- 36:02And I think that actually in many ways
- 36:04could go to both of you, but Eli,
- 36:06do you want to start? Sure, so.
- 36:11We have conducted clinical trials of
- 36:13space across a fairly broad age range,
- 36:16with the youngest study being
- 36:18in preschool age children.
- 36:19So we're talking about
- 36:21children ages three and four.
- 36:23Proximately we've done several clinical
- 36:25trials in school age children,
- 36:26so like 6 through early adolescence,
- 36:29and we even have worked with not just
- 36:31older parents of older adolescents,
- 36:34but using a version of space,
- 36:36even with parents of adult children
- 36:38who struggle with anxiety and other
- 36:40mental health problems and remain highly
- 36:43impaired and dependent on their parents.
- 36:45And unable to function independently
- 36:47as adults in in the world.
- 36:49So really, across a fairly broad
- 36:51age range with with the most
- 36:53research focusing on school age.
- 36:56Steven, do you want to comment about CF
- 37:00TSI or others other inventions? Well,
- 37:03I think that the what's what's really
- 37:05quite wonderful about the CF TSI
- 37:08dissemination is that we've worked
- 37:10with organizations like the National
- 37:13Children's Alliance that has helped to
- 37:16proliferate the the number of clinicians
- 37:18who are trained in offering CF TSI
- 37:21and the National Children's Alliance
- 37:23represents 900 child advocacy centers.
- 37:26These are centers that deal with children.
- 37:30Who are sexually or physically abused,
- 37:32and we're also working closely with our
- 37:35colleagues in a network of pediatric
- 37:38emergency rooms to increase the
- 37:41availability of C FTSI to children
- 37:44who are seen because of of injuries
- 37:46or because they have witnessed
- 37:48terrible events that bring their
- 37:51parents to the emergency Department.
- 37:53We are also working on evaluating a version
- 37:57of CFT aside for three to six year olds.
- 38:01And that work is is continuing apace,
- 38:05in spite of the the pandemic.
- 38:09I think I would direct this question
- 38:12to both of you as we are waiting for
- 38:15other questions to come to the chat as
- 38:17we've had to switch over to Tele Health
- 38:20and converted so many services that
- 38:22converted all of our services to that.
- 38:24Could you both comment on the differences?
- 38:27The advantages disadvantages that you've seen
- 38:28in the models that you're speaking about.
- 38:34Ellie, why don't
- 38:35you start and I'll chime in after your
- 38:37soul and I want to
- 38:39be clear. I understand the question.
- 38:41So the delivery of CF TSI,
- 38:43for example through virtual
- 38:45means or the delivery of
- 38:47space through virtual means.
- 38:48What are the advantages and
- 38:50disadvantages that you've seen?
- 38:53Well, with younger children under
- 38:55under five and six, it's harder,
- 38:58but with with the older kids it's
- 39:00it's really been quite interesting.
- 39:03In some ways it actually provides a special
- 39:06time for a child and parent to be together
- 39:10because it is a con joint treatment,
- 39:13so that above and beyond the efficacy
- 39:16and treating post traumatic symptoms,
- 39:19the opportunity to be together
- 39:21in the midst of of.
- 39:23It is often very busy.
- 39:26Households has its advantages.
- 39:27We've also actually seen an increase
- 39:30in continuity of engagement,
- 39:32and we think in part because some of
- 39:36the additional burdens of coming to the
- 39:39clinic and juggling work schedules, etc.
- 39:42As has been decreased,
- 39:44we've actually been quite impressed with
- 39:47not only the the number of families that
- 39:51have been able to engage during the.
- 39:55Covid pandemic,
- 39:56but also equally impressed by
- 39:58the fact that there are so.
- 40:00More children who are currently
- 40:02being exposed to increases in
- 40:04domestic violence abuse and other
- 40:06potentially traumatic experiences,
- 40:08and it is good fortune,
- 40:10not only in New Haven but around
- 40:12the country that children and
- 40:14families have an opportunity to
- 40:17be treated early and to recover.
- 40:22Kelly, you have thought.
- 40:24Yes, well, first of all it is such
- 40:27an important question because the we
- 40:30we love meeting in person with with
- 40:33our patients and really appreciate
- 40:35that sort of direct connection
- 40:38that in in person meeting provides.
- 40:41However, we're also really keenly
- 40:43aware of the barriers that the need
- 40:46to meet in person puts in place,
- 40:49even in a non covid world.
- 40:52Whether that is distance,
- 40:54not everybody lives.
- 40:55In close proximity to a skilled therapist,
- 40:58whether that is time right having
- 40:59to go to a meeting in person triples
- 41:02the time at least typically wear for
- 41:05many patients 'cause you have to get
- 41:08there and you have to get back and it
- 41:10has other costs like transportation,
- 41:13parking and things like that.
- 41:14And so being able to provide treatment
- 41:17to people even outside of kovid.
- 41:19Even putting that aside,
- 41:20being able to provide treatment remotely
- 41:23is actually a really important goal,
- 41:25and because of that.
- 41:26We were actually doing space over
- 41:28talent even before the pandemic.
- 41:30We offered it as an option to all
- 41:33the families that we were seeing
- 41:35through the program and many of
- 41:37them collected to do it that way,
- 41:39which meant that any we had good
- 41:41practice and be we had good data
- 41:43and it showed us that we can do
- 41:46this treatment efficaciously now
- 41:48during social distancing.
- 41:49Of course it made it easier for
- 41:52us to transition to doing all of
- 41:54our work in over over Taylor,
- 41:56although now we are.
- 41:57Active providing and hope and
- 41:59I hope we are able to continue
- 42:02providing at least some in person,
- 42:04but we were well positioned for it
- 42:06and space itself lends itself to
- 42:08Tele treatment in a way that not
- 42:11every therapy does. It is hard.
- 42:13I won't say it's impossible,
- 42:15but it is hard to do play therapy over.
- 42:18Tell it you know, with with a young child,
- 42:21that's that's a challenging thing for sure.
- 42:24Space is done with parents.
- 42:26It's a meeting between a therapist and.
- 42:28One or two adults,
- 42:29and that means that it is easier
- 42:31to do now we have learned a little
- 42:33bit about what it requires.
- 42:35We do need to still treat it as
- 42:37a therapy session.
- 42:38We can't do it while people are
- 42:40waiting in line at the supermarket.
- 42:42Or, you know, working out at the at the gym.
- 42:44But we are able to do it.
- 42:46And this treatment.
- 42:47I really do think lends itself to
- 42:49that kind of modality in a way that
- 42:51not every therapy actually does
- 42:53that we're very happy with the
- 42:55ability to do space over overtime,
- 42:56and we will continue to offer
- 42:58it as an option even when social
- 43:00distancing is no longer.
- 43:01Are required.
- 43:03Yeah, I just had to add one other
- 43:06comment that with CF TSI we had been
- 43:09struggling prior to the pandemic about
- 43:11how to address the needs of families
- 43:14in rural communities or where there is
- 43:17a paucity of mental health services.
- 43:19And in many ways learning quickly how
- 43:22to adapt CF TSI to a virtual format has
- 43:25actually solved an enormous problem that
- 43:28is now making safety sign much more
- 43:31available regardless of families locations.
- 43:33Guess even add tongue Israel.
- 43:35Thank you for the comment that these
- 43:37great programs work well in New Haven.
- 43:40Are you also asking do
- 43:41they work well elsewhere,
- 43:43which I'm assuming would be the.
- 43:46Implication of the question.
- 43:48Stephen Lady want to talk
- 43:50about dissemination?
- 43:50I think you both touched a little bit on it,
- 43:53but maybe to make it more explicit.
- 43:57Yeah, I, I think that number one
- 44:00being able to we've been doing in
- 44:02person trainings for many many years
- 44:05in which we both travel to other
- 44:08States and other countries to do
- 44:10in person training an we have a an
- 44:13annual training that brings people
- 44:15together from around the country
- 44:17and sometimes from around the world.
- 44:19Every year in New Haven.
- 44:21Since the pandemic we've continued
- 44:23our trainings an we've learned
- 44:26how to we've developed a virtual
- 44:28training approach that.
- 44:29We conducted a virtual training this
- 44:32summer involving 75 clinicians from around
- 44:35the country and several from abroad,
- 44:37and we're about to do a round of
- 44:40training for Scandinavian countries
- 44:42and Eastern European countries
- 44:44several months down the road.
- 44:47So actually that part has been very doable.
- 44:51There's ongoing consultation that has is
- 44:53done telephonically as well as virtually,
- 44:56which is always been part of CFT assign.
- 45:00With regard to the policing trauma,
- 45:02informed policing,
- 45:03not every community has a child study center.
- 45:06None of the every community has the
- 45:08opportunity to engage in this kind
- 45:10of partnership that we've done in New
- 45:13Haven and that other communities have.
- 45:15It's one of the reasons that we developed
- 45:17the trauma informed Policing tool kit
- 45:20in conjunction with the international
- 45:22associations of the Chiefs of Police,
- 45:24which is now just been turned into an
- 45:26interactive web web based training for
- 45:29police officers around the country.
- 45:31This training has now been approved
- 45:33in 35 states for officers to engage
- 45:36in this training and it enhances
- 45:39their ability to affectively respond
- 45:41to children and families in the
- 45:44throes of traumatic experiences,
- 45:45even in the absence of of clinical partners.
- 45:49We're also working with Saint Louis,
- 45:52virtually to replicate CD CP,
- 45:54and they have the wonderful
- 45:56advantage of also having a Contra
- 45:59of clinicians who are trained in CF
- 46:02TSI so there's a seamless response.
- 46:05From the police interaction to
- 46:08the clinical recovery efforts
- 46:11available through CF TSI.
- 46:13Thank
- 46:14you Steve and Eli. Do you want to talk
- 46:15about dissemination and replication?
- 46:19So a lot of my answer is echoes.
- 46:22The first half of of Stevens answer
- 46:24in terms of the training that we
- 46:27continue to provide over over Tele.
- 46:29And we really are training
- 46:31people from around the world.
- 46:33In fact, people do visit that website
- 46:36thespacetreatment.net website.
- 46:36You can. There's a searchable list
- 46:39of space trained providers and it's
- 46:41searchable not only by state in the US,
- 46:44but by country because there are
- 46:46providers now around the world.
- 46:48And because we continue to provide
- 46:50consultation and remaining.
- 46:51Respondents with providers from many places.
- 46:53We also get a lot of feedback and
- 46:55are able to think through things
- 46:58like cultural adaptations of the
- 47:00treatment to different places.
- 47:01We have providers who are doing
- 47:03space in the Middle East and we
- 47:06have providers who are doing space
- 47:08in multiple countries in Asia and.
- 47:11Australia and many other places.
- 47:14Europe and and.
- 47:15And so we learn a lot about what
- 47:17refinements may be necessary
- 47:19for different cultures,
- 47:21but the But the short version of the
- 47:24answer would be that it is applied
- 47:27successfully in by by providers really
- 47:29from a very broad variety of low cats.
- 47:35Have you seen any cultural differences
- 47:37in the efficacious or efficacy?
- 47:41We have not had no.
- 47:42I don't think we've seen
- 47:43differences in efficacy.
- 47:44I think the efficacy has been
- 47:46maintained and preserved in the
- 47:47different places and I should say
- 47:49that not everywhere where it is done,
- 47:51it is done in the context of research.
- 47:53There are many providers and programs
- 47:55and clinics that are doing it and not
- 47:57necessarily doing clinical trials,
- 47:58but those that and there we get more
- 48:00anecdotal feedback from the providers,
- 48:02but where we have actual clinical trial data,
- 48:04we actually see similar levels of efficacy,
- 48:06but we do need to be thoughtful
- 48:08about culture and that is true when
- 48:10we're working in the United States.
- 48:12Even if you're just working here in
- 48:14New Haven, it's always a mistake.
- 48:16That one's own culture is the culture,
- 48:19and so we have to be sensitive to
- 48:21cultural differences when we're
- 48:23working right here locally and when
- 48:25we're working in places where it's
- 48:28a lot easier to keep that in mind.
- 48:30And where were more obvious?
- 48:34So Doctor Patalano has put
- 48:36a question in the chair.
- 48:38Ellie, can you see it?
- 48:40Do some parents insist that you
- 48:41meet with their parents to be
- 48:43sure that they're not missing
- 48:45any of their child's problems?
- 48:49OK, I do see it, but I think he
- 48:52added not be with their parents as
- 48:53in the grand no no that was an auto correct
- 48:56meeting with their child sorry Ellie.
- 48:59Got it. Good question,
- 49:02although by the way we do me
- 49:05grandparents, not all that.
- 49:06But do your two year
- 49:08question whenever possible.
- 49:09Our assessment involves the
- 49:11child as well as the parent,
- 49:13and so we do think that a thorough
- 49:16comprehensive evaluation and
- 49:17assessment should, whenever possible,
- 49:18not be only parent based.
- 49:20But we should meet with the child and
- 49:23we do as a regular practice and so
- 49:26that absolutely informs the treatment.
- 49:28The only thing to add to it though,
- 49:31is that one.
- 49:32Of the advantages of having as as an option,
- 49:36having an entirely parent based
- 49:38treatment is there for those cases where
- 49:41meeting with the child directly is
- 49:43not feasible because the OR assessing
- 49:45the child directly is not feasible.
- 49:48Sometimes that is because the child
- 49:50is unwilling to participate directly
- 49:52with a contact with the therapist.
- 49:55Sometimes they are unable that maybe they're
- 49:58not verbal or have other issues that.
- 50:00Clude they're act evaluation
- 50:02in those situations,
- 50:03having a treatment option that can be
- 50:06effectively applied only through parent
- 50:07work is actually a tremendous advantage,
- 50:10but in in the routine normal
- 50:12course of our work,
- 50:13we regularly assess the child
- 50:15directly as well as the parent,
- 50:18even when the intervention is
- 50:20going to focus on parents.
- 50:23Thanks
- 50:23very much. Thank
- 50:24you so we have time being respectful of
- 50:27everyone's time on this virtual space.
- 50:29We have time for couple of more questions.
- 50:32Looking to the chat but also again if you
- 50:35would like just shout your question out.
- 50:46And just to give a preview of
- 50:49where we're headed tomorrow,
- 50:50we will talk about school based services
- 50:53and delivery of services within schools.
- 50:55The impact of Covid on those services
- 50:57and and how we're thinking about
- 51:00education in a covid environment.
- 51:02On Wednesday we will talk about diversity,
- 51:05equity and inclusion,
- 51:06what we're doing in the Child study center
- 51:09in response to what many have called
- 51:12another pandemic social injustice over the
- 51:14summer and continuing in all of these things,
- 51:17will tie together.
- 51:18We hope and there will be opportunities
- 51:21on Thursday for further questions, but.
- 51:23Please if you have other questions.
- 51:29As I say, shout them or put
- 51:31them in the chat. Trump.
- 51:35And Steve, can you hear me? Yes,
- 51:38I think in the you know I'm NYC centric,
- 51:42although we're living in Westchester
- 51:44since March 11th, but I still love
- 51:47New York City and I work with an
- 51:50organization that not for profit
- 51:52that deals with the people of the.
- 51:57It's in the
- 51:58work situations and was policing is a
- 52:01big issue these days and I believe at
- 52:04some point you had reached out to them,
- 52:07or like someone tried to put you
- 52:10together with a very unsuccessful result.
- 52:13I may be wrong on that. But what?
- 52:18If any communication do you have with New
- 52:21York City, which as you probably know,
- 52:23the crime rate has more than doubled,
- 52:26you know, during covid it's down from its
- 52:29peak of several years ago, but it's it's.
- 52:32On everybody's mind,
- 52:34then there's everybody,
- 52:35gets forced indoors and gets crazy.
- 52:38Or crime is only going to get
- 52:41worse and New York City certainly
- 52:44need your kind of help, yeah,
- 52:47so we are in regular contact with
- 52:50colleagues in New York and you know,
- 52:53the good news is Tom,
- 52:55that that actually the NYPD did
- 52:58move ahead with with training and
- 53:01developed a specialized unit.
- 53:03Under the domestic violence
- 53:04section of of the Department,
- 53:06all of those officers have been
- 53:09trained and they are now working
- 53:11with colleagues that we've trained
- 53:13in CF TSI as well as cute response
- 53:16protocols from Safe Horizon,
- 53:18which covers the five boroughs,
- 53:20and they have actually been
- 53:22incredibly active.
- 53:22You're absolutely right,
- 53:24and by the way,
- 53:25the one of the training that we did
- 53:28in the acute stress intervention for
- 53:30adults was hosted by the Columbia
- 53:33School for Social Work and involved.
- 53:361400 mental health providers
- 53:37from around the city and the
- 53:39country and internationally.
- 53:41So yes,
- 53:41many of us have very close ties
- 53:44to New York City and and continue
- 53:47to work closely with them.
- 53:49The challenges to policing
- 53:51in this country are enormous.
- 53:53Hopefully there will be an opportunity
- 53:55in the coming years to return to
- 53:58some of the basic police reforms
- 54:01that were in fact driven by a
- 54:03very different model of policing.
- 54:05Then some of the symptoms of
- 54:08the the poor forms of or models
- 54:11of policing that we've seen too
- 54:14many examples of recently,
- 54:16and we hope to be very involved in the
- 54:19discussions of moving things forward
- 54:21in a in a much more productive,
- 54:25Humane, and just fashion.
- 54:28Thank you Steven. Healthy planet.
- 54:33So I'm going to put in the chat.
- 54:37Well, trying to put in the chat here.
- 54:41That's the link to the ongoing virtual
- 54:44poster session that's you can visit
- 54:46anytime over the week where we have
- 54:48posters from across the center,
- 54:50and some of them are actually narrated
- 54:53by the developers of those posters.
- 54:55We will meet tomorrow in the
- 54:57virtual space again at 2:00 o'clock
- 54:59to talk about education,
- 55:01our programs in schools in this time of
- 55:04kovid and have four of our colleagues who
- 55:07are working in schools to speak with us.
- 55:10Again, I just want to thank all of
- 55:13the associates for your support for
- 55:15your joining us on this inaugural
- 55:17virtual event and look forward to
- 55:18you being with us through the week.
- 55:21So thank you.
- 55:22Thank you so much and
- 55:23Linda, just to just to have one.
- 55:25One thing, if people are
- 55:27interested in seeing or having
- 55:28available the guidelines that we
- 55:30developed for adults and kids,
- 55:32we will make sure that they
- 55:34are available to you if you
- 55:35give it to a Steven, we can actually
- 55:38disseminate it even tomorrow or Sunday.
- 55:41Excellent, I'll forward
- 55:42it to Rosemary fantastic.
- 55:43Alright, thanks so much so thanks everyone.
- 55:46Thank you all. See you tomorrow.